WEBVTT - Fire Drill 035: Open and Shut 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.160 Cam Smith played the golf. What are you gonna do? 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.320 I mean he did everything flawlessly today and the way 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.200 he turned it around from yesterday is really impressive, because 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:14.600 he had every right to be very discouraged after yesterday 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:21.520 and he came out brave as hell today. Put another 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:36.280 logo on the fire. Nobody hears get the time. Hello, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.440 this is Alan ship knock back for another fire drill podcast. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.680 We're in the lobby of the Russ as hotel a Jason, 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.480 the Eighteenth Hole St Andrew's. Probably there's a first edition 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:50.320 of to the links land in that bookies, did you 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:56.400 get into your Mike? We Got Mike Terriko. What? I'm 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.840 just traveling back home. It's just the fire pit. Yes, 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:04.000 we're doing where's the fire and metaphorical has read all 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.320 the books on this back show, every single one. I 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.520 can do dramatic reading. So this, this town, feels like awake. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.720 They was all hoping for Rory. It feels like awake. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.920 It's strange. Cam Play, Tom Watson said when he didn't 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.920 win the term bury that year at funeral. That's exactly right. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.200 Disco Hey and Cam Smith ain't no fooling around on 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.959 the Greens man are we going talking heads where you 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:27.680 can put there you go when you can play ten 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.520 through fourteen and fifteen strokes on the on the inward 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.000 nine on Sunday here on seven. Oh my gosh, I 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.960 asked him afterwards. On our ABC, interviewer said our NBC everyew. 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.600 That's good, but I didn't do it on the air. Um, 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.520 read your hat, dummy. I said, uh, what was of 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.440 all the all the pots, what was the most important? 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.040 He said the one on seventeen. He said that was 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:52.000 first player, second one, because that first one, first one. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.880 Where do you think the chances is of US putting 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.800 into the bunker from where he was? You good, me, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:08.840 guaranteed the experts. Well, the fire drill podcast just got 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.639 more lively. Um, many of the movies and shakers of 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.480 the Gulf world are at this hotel and they appear 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.200 to be all checking out right now. So we'll see 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.440 we can say hi some other surprise guests, like let's 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.280 be on the lookout for that. Just have somebody carry 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:27.600 the bags. He's one of us. Yes, that was fun. Well, 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.440 so Tariko. Um, he kind of set the scene here. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.120 Made a good I'd say both shots in Seventeen for 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.239 Cam Smith let's start with Kim Smith, champion gone for 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.840 the year. I mean, what an incredible performance that. There's 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.079 three players who had to make a put on seventeen 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.160 to win. And Open at St Andrew's in recent vintage 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.720 George speed, chasing the Grand Slam, had an eight or 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.800 ten footer missed it, lost the slam. Rory mcilroy, trying 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.440 to get a victory that the whole world wanted him 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.800 to have and foretold that he would he would take, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:01.280 missed a similar length putt on seventeen. Camp Smith jarred it. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.360 I mean the guy played absolutely flawless round of Golf. 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.480 It was spectacular, it was air tight and something I 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.040 said was completely wrong last night, and many things I 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.480 say are completely wrong. But for and I talked to 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.240 US caddy about this after the round, for to go 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.639 south when you got the thirty six sold lead, you're 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.520 in the last group on Saturday, you played bad, that 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.200 guy usually will not come back and that guy totally 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.160 came back today and that was absolutely spectacular round of golf. Uh, 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:30.960 he did exactly what he needed to do it and 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:35.680 really it brings to mind what what Justin Thomas did. Um, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.840 what what it follows the whole theme of the year 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.080 guys stepping up when it when it really matters. Um 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.960 to some little degree there's the pressure off because everyone's 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.360 expecting Riy Macal round, but that was an air tight 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.480 round of golf, just like Fitzpatrick Getting Eighteen Greens and 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:52.800 winning Um at the country club, the US Open at 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.320 the country club. Yeah, I mean it's really been this. 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.840 You know, ry macawy called it. The major's season is 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.680 over now and we we minted some stars. I mean 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.360 Scottie Scheffler has gone to a different planet. Cam Smith 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.760 to win the players and the open at the old 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.920 I mean that's a plus plus Um. Justin Thomas. You 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.920 hadn't one of major in five years. He needed that. You. 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:19.040 You use the words save a like to describe Cam 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.200 Smith yesterday, which there's no higher praise. Some of those 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.719 some of those plays over this these four days were 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.760 just absolutely gorgeous and so instinctive. What what do you 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.640 like most about the way he plays the game? He's 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.080 nothing like Sevy, for Christmas seven was the great charismatic 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.400 figure my golfing life, but he is sevey like in 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:41.120 terms of his ability to size up really complicated greenside 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.640 shots use any number of different clubs, including putter, to 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:49.480 play really difficult shots, read break like nobody's business and 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.800 just put with tremendous comes to that Hook put, that 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.560 Downhill Hook put that he made on was at the 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:58.880 Friday round or the Saturday round? UH, yeah, five feet 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:03.280 a break the putty hit up the hill on eighteen. UH, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.320 the chip put that he made on seventeen. How long 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.080 did I wasn't close enough to see. How long was 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.240 the put that he made on seventeen. Shoot, I mean 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.120 to make a ten footer on seventeen. Not many guys 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:15.760 have done it. You just outlined all the guys who 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:21.479 didn't do it. UH, lots of guys have lots and 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.600 lots and lots of athletic talent and of course short 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:28.480 game takes athletic talent, but it takes artistry and sometimes 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.480 you don't see it in a really big guy. You 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:36.400 often see it in that body type. Uh. You know, 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.680 VJ didn't have it, or he didn't have it. Davis 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.599 didn't have it. Phil did have it, uh for a while, 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.800 and then he uh Nicholas had it in spades. But 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:51.240 generally speaking, those long fingers and that narrow that chest 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.880 and just sort of looks like he knows exactly what 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.159 wants to do. It is a total pleasure to watch, 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.320 no matter what you think him Smith's Mullett. I love it. 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.240 And no matter what you think of his you know, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.800 sort of straightforward manner, he is a golfing God when 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.840 it comes to short game. Yeah, that's that's well said. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.080 John Daly gave him a little shout out on twitter, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.719 like another another win for the mullets around the old course. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.960 I mean speaking for the entire golf world. I hope 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.880 that's true. Um. So, yeah, Camp Smith. Now let's just 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:27.240 acknowledge what's been a subplot in this Um our Matt Genella. 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.799 On one of the practice rounds, a handful of guys 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.720 were playing a practice round together, including Phil Nicholson. Uh, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.640 they were posing. The PILICON BRIDGE CAM was coming down 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.080 the first way. He ran over to take a group 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.880 photo with him and there'd already had been speculation that 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.000 he was going to jump to live. Um. That kind 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:45.800 of put it. You know, a lot of people saw 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:50.960 that happen and that that sent it an overdrive. So, Um, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.200 in the moment we are in golf there's these these 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.320 these geopolitical undertones to everything. So what would it mean 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.560 if if the reigning open champ were to jump? From 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.400 what you know about Cam do you see it happen? 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:07.240 Give me your thoughts on that. That that that's a 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:12.360 so you're just an expert defender, just pairying Um. I 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.520 mean for sure there's an offer on the table to 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.200 Camp Smith and it probably just got another zero, because 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.440 it would be monumental if they could snatch him up. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:25.240 And it's also, you know, we know this. This this 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.880 background noise about or they can get world ranking points. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.160 Are these guys are gonna be able to play in 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:30.960 the majors? Well, he just bunches taken to the next 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.360 five majors, I mean all the majors in the next 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.760 five years. That's a big deal. Yeah, and this forever. 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.920 So for Camp Smith. Now he is reputed to be 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.000 like a really down home dude, and Adam Scott told 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.320 me a great word. I think Augusta called him um 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.160 a boger, yeah, which is kind of like an affectionate 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.640 Australian term for a redneck. He meant it. He was 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.720 hailing him like he's just a simple guy who just 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.080 wants to fish. You know, Smith said a couple last 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:00.360 year that he just wants to play for a few 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.240 more years and get money in the bank and retire. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.160 So he may. Maybe the living is the answer to 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.440 his prayers. He gets the huge payday and he can't 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:09.720 just walk away from the game. He doesn't have that 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:14.800 enduring passion or Um, maybe because he's kind of a 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:16.880 down home dude and the money doesn't matter. He's in 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.560 his routine here. I don't know. What do we think 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.920 about this? I just do not see this guy going 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.280 to live and I do not read too much and 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.320 a guy jumping over to Swolkenburg to if you get 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.480 called over, you know, let's say there were half a 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.120 dozen writers that were, uh, you know, on Swolkenburg Bridge 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.040 and they called you over, would would you immediately come too? 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.280 You know, Oh, you know, they worked for the competition 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.000 or whatever it might be. You just joined him. He's 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.200 just a good old boy, as you just said, in 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.120 his own way. So I don't read too much of 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.480 that from I don't know him at all. I happen 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.840 to cover his players win into here. I find his unpretentiousness, uh, 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.120 in an area, in an era of extreme pretentiousness of 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.679 golf on both sides of the held. To quote somebody, 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.240 uh even use aisle, but anyway, on both sides there 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.240 are five people on both sides. I don't even know 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:09.960 what's going on in Golf, except that there is a 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.080 personality type that's gonna go, and that personality type is 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.240 not one who's really driven by the desire to win 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.760 major championships at this stage. Like, if that's the foremost 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.280 thing in your life, I don't think you're making that move. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.240 And now that he no matter where the conversation was 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.360 up until today, now that he's won his first major 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.400 and the grandest of majors and the grandest of settings, 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.080 I think that would be a factor. He is, you know, 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.600 he seems like he's not a big spender. He just 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:40.520 made a big check because and he actually just made 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.040 a big check for the rest of his life. He 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.720 doesn't even realize that. Probably or or he might. I 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.600 just don't see him going anywhere. Yeah, and I mean 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.319 he's made a great run at Augusta. Like he's a 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.560 clearly guy who could slash should win a green jacket. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:56.160 So you know if he's gonna if if he's like, 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:00.320 you know, Larino H OA type, who or Dat Coo 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.400 and they said, I've only played to at a certain age, 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:03.760 that I'm done. Like, if he's got that in his 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.200 mind and he wants to make as much hay as possible, 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.480 then the PG touris where you're gonna stay sharpest and 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.200 probably give yourself the best chance to win those tournaments 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.000 that people are gonna remember you forever. And he's going 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.240 home to play in Australia later in the year and 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.120 he's going to realize the magnitude of what he just 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.679 did and it's going to be intoxicating, like wow, this 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.160 is bigger than I thought, like he you know, I 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.360 think part of Cam's genius is he keeps it simple. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.880 He just hits shots, tries to shoot the lowest score 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.040 he can't and Adam up at the end and see 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.600 what happens. But you win here, it's it's a it's 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.240 he's gonna feel what that means to the larger golfing work, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.240 even if it means more to them than to him. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.160 And you know that's a really, really interesting point. Now 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.560 part of Greg Norman as a global ambassador for golf. 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.520 What is that? You Opens? Well, he was Greg Norman 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.880 and throughout the United States just a great white shark. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.240 He played with a lot of Christmas. He played very aggressively. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.800 He was an exciting figure. Two American golfers, but as 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.000 an Australian as soon as Drilian, who played in Asia 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.079 a lot, those two open championships. So that he won is, you're, 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:05.800 a huge thing. So to your point, when he goes 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.240 home he's going to find out what this thing is 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.679 all about. I think he will because, uh, those Australians 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.719 venerates this open more than any of the other and 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.640 then the other majors and he's gonna find out that 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.959 Asia it beats it up to all right, let's talk 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:23.920 about the non champion Golfer over the year. Shout Out 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.320 Cameron Young. I mean he played amazing at Southern Hills, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.520 which is a big time golf course. I mean that 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.920 walk off Eagle today, like the guy shot sixty five 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.960 in the second to last group. He played his ass off. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:41.160 I mean it was did yeah, I mean he's so close, 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.480 it's a joke. Oh yeah, no, he he swings. There's 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.840 no holding onto that club, he just lets it go. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:48.920 I mean it's fun to watch. How does your backfield 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.000 after watching this guy makes some swings? Um Tight. Yeah, 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.520 I mean he looks like you heard himself. I don't 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.679 see guys swinging that hard for that long and not 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.160 getting hurt. But it was very, very impressive to watch today. Yeah, 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:03.600 so it's gonna be fun to see where he goes 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.680 from here. Um. I was, of course, referring to the 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:11.160 tragic hero of the day, Roy mcelroy. Um. Everybody wanted 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:12.880 him to get this. It just almost it was in 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.840 the stars. You know, he seems like he's a foot 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.600 taller than he was a few months ago, the way 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.240 he's taken on this ambassadorship of the game and this 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.280 long drought. There's him Das if we can only get 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:29.120 rope him in anyway. Um, Himi, we're podcasting. You want 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.840 to get over here? Come here. No, get over here. Yeah, 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:42.360 drop your back sports stand right here. Yep, this, this, this, 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:49.240 I mean these are two greatest living golf writers and Canute, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.240 my wife says, no one looks better in a suit 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.319 and him. Look at the man. He looks like he's 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.000 in his early fifties. I get more compliments from bambergers. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.720 How about the note taking that we observed this week? 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.720 After thirty years of watching home at work, I didn't 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.000 realize the depth of the note taking. And also there's 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.360 no book. In other words, they're all loose sheets. How 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.839 do you keep it straight? It's only the last thirty seconds. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:15.679 That's as long as my memory list. I'm writing all 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:19.160 the time, like the Guy Memento he wrote on yeah, right, 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.920 keep it all together. You keep all those like they're 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:30.760 all files. It's wonderful, alright, I burn them, Um, all right, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.240 I mean, we're gonna let you go. Just give us 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.600 one thought on the day with the tragic hero rory. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.000 You know, I think rory is going to be very resilient. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.559 I really feel like he's still, don't, undergoing the education 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.360 of a Golfer. I mean he's thirty three, I know, 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.319 and it seems like he's already had a great prime, 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:46.800 but I still think the best is yet to come. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.000 This is what happens when you're really good. Sometimes you 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.920 just get you're heartbroken by being in contention. Things happen. 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.600 I mean happened to Nicholas, happened to Palmer, happened you know, Watson. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.280 It's happened. We've seen it ourselves. I mean Stewart's saying, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.360 Tom Watson, you know Billy Casper Donold Palmer, Tom Watson 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.400 and Jack Nicholas. It just part of the game and yeah, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.320 it doesn't seem fair and it looked like it was his, 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.920 the storybook was his, but Cam Smith played the golf 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.120 what are you gonna do? I mean he did everything 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.800 flawlessly today and the way he turned it around from 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.760 yesterday is really impressive because he had every right to 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.080 be very discouraged after yesterday and he came out brave 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.560 as hell today. And then it just felt like he 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.640 was playing offensive. Growers Playing Defense. I think when you're leading, 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.160 I think he felt he was in control. He didn't 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:30.680 want to make a mistake and that's when he's done 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.600 a lot. So he's gotten a little more conservative, which 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.200 I think has been better overall, but in that situation 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.120 it seemed like he was just missing that that extra 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.800 kind of willpower to put it away. But when the 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.520 PUTTS aren't going in and put you on the defensive, 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:43.760 I think he had a lot of good putts that 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.040 didn't go in and then the one on three. I 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.080 thought that started a bad trend for the day because 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.480 he could have taken a lead there and he played 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.720 the whole perfectly and he walked away and who knows? 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.400 It just puts out in your mind and that's enough 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.360 when you're not putting well, doesn't he walk away from 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.640 the Shertman feeling very good about how he played, even 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.680 this F throwned? I think so. I drove it great 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.080 and the irons weren't perfect, but they were always yeah, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.960 but he played. I mean, look at he hit eighteen greens. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.480 I know that the biggest Greens in the world, but 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.720 still there was no mistake. I mean he's Roy has 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.080 been renowned for making bad mistakes at the wrong time. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.160 You know, the soft bogey, the one that he made 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.680 some soft pars today, but they weren't, you know, anything 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.200 that he should be ashamed of. Uh, I felt like 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.920 he has grown as a player. It just wasn't quite enough. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.280 This is really more out of the dristion of of 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.240 Jack being getting. I mean Jack's Got Nineteen winner ups. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.440 Of course wasn't where. He wasn't technically the run up today, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.960 but it's still sort of the same things that Jack's 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.800 gonna play. Jack's game. If Lee Tramino or Hubert Green 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.720 or somebody goes crazy, well, what can I do about it? 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.080 I'm playing my game. And I think rory can really 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.240 leave this town with his head high. I think. I 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.720 think it was an outstanding four days of golf and 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.320 he's represented golf extremely well. Would you agree? I would 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.880 agree with that. You know, he isn't Jack. Jack had 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.640 a history of winning that gave him a definite, you know, 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.080 sense of almost in permeability when he did have bad breaks, 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:04.960 you know, because he said, well, the law of averages 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.800 in my favor. Rory hasn't gotten to that point where 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.040 the love of average are quite in his favor, but 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:10.800 I think he is growing as a Golfer and I 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.080 love that he seems more energized than he's been in 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.320 a long time. I think this, you know. I think 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.240 even his relationship with tiger is encouraging, you know. I 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.520 mean that's helped Dustin Thomas. I just think he sees 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.200 even just being around him a little bit like plane 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:24.640 at bally bunny and I think it just gives him 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.800 a different perspective. When I first met Rory, he knew 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.840 more about tiger as far as his record than almost anyone. Yeah, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.480 I mean I had the exact same experience. It's still 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.920 it's still good to be emulating him, even in Tiger's twilight. Now, 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.760 I mean in your experience, when guys get so involved 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.080 on the political side of Golf, you know, going back 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.760 to Bob Goldby and Jack in the sixties, and now, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.880 it seems to say, with word, serving on, serving on 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.040 committees and becoming a spokesman for the game. What is 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.720 that helpful hurtful to your game? What I was thinking 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.080 about this with rory because he's so other directed. I 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.360 think he's almost more motivated to do it for others 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:00.920 than it is from self. And right now I think 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.320 he kind of represents a cause because of live golf 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.920 being so, so much a threat, and I think that 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.080 helped him at the Canadian Open. And you know there's 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.399 rumors about Camp Smith going to live so he may 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:11.880 have felt the burden of that. But at the same 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.840 time I also thought as extra motivation that doesn't put 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.040 as much pressure on him as wanting to do it 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.040 for himself. For some reason he seems like he can 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.720 lose himself in a bigger cause. Might be making too 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.840 much out of it, but that he definitely seemed to 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.080 be that way when he went to Canada. You know, well, 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.640 let's get back in here one second, but just a pout. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.959 I'm just enjoying listening to me one of the you know, 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.399 I think all three of us a poultroy very closely 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.000 really his entire career is noting about what thirteen or 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.400 so years now. Uh, the crying episode at the Ryder 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.680 Cup really surprised me. I didn't really know what could 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.280 be the emotional thing in his life that would trigger that. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.360 Really having but so having that fresh in my mind, 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.400 seeing him really performed at the highest level for four days, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.840 carrying really the weight of the PGA tour and Jay 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:02.440 Monahan's expectations and tigers expected sations and being totally emotionally 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.920 in control, I take that as a very big positive 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.600 for where where he is and his emotional life. And 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.679 you know, as we all know, and I think we 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.320 would all agree, your emotional life and your golfing life 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.040 they're very much connected. I think his emotional life is strong. 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.320 Now he's still got to improve technically, you know, just 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.679 be a little better putter and make that an obsession. 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.960 Get better. It's not a lot and the chipping today 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.359 was just good. I give it a B minus. He 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.920 needed to hit some chips clip stiff, you know, like 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:30.560 like Camp Smith did get the easy body and that 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.400 would have broken the ice. So it's small margins, but 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.480 you know, he's still growing as a player. He used 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.960 to think if I drive it great, I'll beat anybody, 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.359 and that no longer is the case. The game has evolved. 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.919 These guys are more complete players now and you just 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.520 can't overpower everybody. You have to have the rest of 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.520 the game and he's learned that kind of late because 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:49.879 to some extent he was spoiled by winning two of 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.160 them by eight shots. You know, I think that motivation 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.560 to get better was lessened because of that. You know, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.159 when you're playing, of course you know really well. Like 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.040 it goes to national and it's like, okay, well, I 0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:59.679 know when to get the third teen. I'm gonna hit 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.680 that into what have you. Know, chance or your goals 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.560 should make it too. But, Bertie Um, you're you're sort 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.160 of playing chess like Nicholas talked about this all the time. 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.320 But do you think right? Do you think today with 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.240 you know especially, seventeen is always seventeen is always the 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.119 possible to making a five. There you're probably gonna make 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:17.280 it four. Do you think he's sort of always calculting 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.040 in his mind, even if I'm only tied going to 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.159 the seventies. Second Tea, I can make a three in 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.120 eight cheen and you can but take in a campus Smith. 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:25.439 I don't think it's a good way to go. How 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.480 about the changes in the in the game and how 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.960 this golf course has stood up? I was amazed. I was, 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.280 you know, a skeptic, healthy skeptic, about St Andrew's probably 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:39.320 being outmoded this year sort of being exposed. And it 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.280 wasn't even windy and it held up beautifully. Now I 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.880 know they used a lot of uh or sorry, whole 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.960 positions that were that they never used. They were extreme, 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:49.640 but I just think the nature of the golf course 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.280 keeps it from being easy to control. You know, there's 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:59.239 just so much variation and so much capriciousness where, you know, 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.439