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Speaker 1: The Volume.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Everybody, Welcome in Great podcast for thirty minutes Today.

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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, part of the Volume team.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great? I'm you know, I was saying today

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Speaker 2: there's a lot more than you think. There are ten

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Speaker 2: teams in this league, and I won't count Tampa because

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Speaker 2: I don't think they have what they perceive as a

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Speaker 2: franchise quarterback in the building. There are ten teams in

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Speaker 2: this league, from Mac Joe in New England, Kenny Pickett,

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Speaker 2: Justin Fields, the Colts rookie quarterback Anthony Richardson San Francisco

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Speaker 2: brock Pertty. There's ten teams in this league Atlanta, Desmond,

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Speaker 2: Ritter that are really in the We hope we have

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Speaker 2: the right guy in house stage, and so tonight c J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud is the first look we get at him. Now,

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Speaker 2: his numbers were very good in college, but you can

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Speaker 2: go up and down the list the last seventeen years,

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Speaker 2: going back to Troy Smith, all Ohio State quarterbacks, but

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Speaker 2: up big numbers. So what was yours? A former NFL scout,

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Speaker 2: what was your view your prospect profile of c J. Stroud?

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Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't the biggest fan because a lot

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Speaker 1: like Mac Jones and even Tua, who you know last

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Speaker 1: year was better than I thought he would be. I

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Speaker 1: think he benefited a lot from playing with Tyreek Hill,

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Speaker 1: who's just one of the great players of all time.

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Speaker 1: But when you play with a team that has better

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Speaker 1: wide receivers that you will have in the pros in college. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that offense. It's like with Mac the one year

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Speaker 1: But part of it was, you know, he's a pocket quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's throwing the wide open guys. But then in that

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Speaker 1: Georgia game, he showed what I think the modern day

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Speaker 1: be a playmaker, very instinctive playing against I mean all

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Speaker 1: eleven those guys. When you play Georgia, they're all in.

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Speaker 1: It's you're playing an NFL team, especially on defense, and

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Speaker 1: he was. He was awesome, And I think that changed

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Speaker 1: the perspective around the league because the big knock on him,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of an old school pocket quarterback, easy

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Speaker 1: offense playing. He has way better athletes than the rest

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Speaker 1: of his conference for sure, right, you know all the

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Speaker 1: teams they play in the Big Ten. But that game

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Speaker 1: changed my opinion. And listen, Dimiko is just a stud

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Speaker 1: and to me, he's the real deal. And if he

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Speaker 1: signed off on you Caserio, kind of old school Belichick.

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Speaker 1: They're big on character, so that they really like this guy.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't have inside information. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: thought the owner was force feeding it on, which which

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Speaker 1: you know that can happen. That guy signs the checks

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Speaker 1: and he's a little kookie. But yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: was definitely more bullish based on that big time performance, right,

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Speaker 1: because it really was. It was not It was one

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Speaker 1: of the better performances of the season any player. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, justin Herbert game against Wisconsin, people thought he was mechanical.

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Speaker 2: Then he ran against the Badgers and Tom Tellsco the

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Speaker 2: in open space. And Telesco said, he said, you know,

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Speaker 2: I had this high appraisal of Tua, and then I

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Speaker 2: we've got a franchise quarterback. So I do think a

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Speaker 2: lot of times college coaches john if they don't have

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Speaker 1: And that's where I think the evaluation process could be

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, which an all star game is not a

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Speaker 1: regular season game. It's why the SEC thrives because you go, well,

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Speaker 1: that's an NFL player. That's an NFL player, and for

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Speaker 1: three straight weeks they're going to battle with third round

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Speaker 1: small school guys they get drafted high. Sometimes they hit,

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Speaker 1: You feel pretty good when you draft a guy from

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and his comp has been Jared Goff. Jared

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Speaker 2: Goff was a wreck when he had the wrong staff,

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Speaker 2: then when he had McVeigh got to a super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: So if you're betting, really, if you trust Amko Ryans,

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Speaker 2: then c J. Stroud's story probably has a happy ending

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Speaker 2: because I don't think I said this today on FS one.

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Speaker 2: The NFL only gives us about one every five years.

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Speaker 2: Burrow and Andrew Luck a quarterback good enough to overcome nonsense,

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Speaker 2: bad old line, bad coach. Burrow did it right, Burrow.

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Speaker 2: We didn't know the coach, we don't love the owner.

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Speaker 2: The organization's wonky battle line got hurt. Burrow just overcame it.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Luck did it. Yeah, Yeah, I mean as good

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Speaker 2: Stroud falls into the Jared Goff, right coach, right direction

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Speaker 2: probably succeeds now two revelations on TV this week as

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Speaker 2: watch Tate Now, I was told for years by people

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Speaker 2: but he would never take it home. Is that what

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Speaker 2: just didn't take it home, Big Ben wasn't known as

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Speaker 1: You don't have a choice when you're in the building

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Speaker 1: because the majority of your day is in a meeting room.

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Speaker 1: Right You're only in the practice room for two hours,

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Speaker 1: So even if you're putting a seven eight hour day,

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Speaker 1: their meetings, position meetings, group meetings, if you're just awake,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see it. I think what he was saying

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Speaker 1: is I did nothing beside what was mandatory of the

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Speaker 1: rest of the team. And to me, my take this

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Speaker 1: week was simply, the majority of guys in the NFL

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Speaker 1: are not Mahomes, Josh Allen, Trent Williams, Micah Parsons are

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Speaker 1: not the elite guys. The majority, just like in any business,

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Speaker 1: are just all kind of in the same level right now,

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Speaker 1: because the NFL it's such competitive industry. If you don't

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Speaker 1: do everything to maximize it, you have no shot. And

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget I think one of his first games,

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Speaker 1: because a huge part of his success in college was

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Speaker 1: I think it was a game against Alibi. It's not

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Speaker 1: he was known for his athleticism and making plays in

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Speaker 1: was a Thursday night game and Luke Keikley for every

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Speaker 1: And then when you factor in zero work ethic, I

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Speaker 1: mean I watched it with my girlfriend. She looked at me, like,

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Speaker 1: this guy's a loser, you know, and that's just that

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Speaker 1: position doesn't translate to being a loser. The difference with

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Speaker 1: either growing or you're dying. And it's every team in

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Speaker 1: the league has the saying like you're either getting better,

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Speaker 1: you're getting worse. Nobody stays the same because it is

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Speaker 1: kind of true, right, the thing that makes Mahomes or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think it's it's kind of that Baker

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Speaker 2: of there's a coolness and a casual nature of it,

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a cool I'm quarterback, got a little attitude,

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Speaker 2: take pride and I'm so talented, I don't have to grind,

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Speaker 2: you know, Brady and Eli Manning. I mean take Brady

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Speaker 2: not cool, a grinder, Russell Wilson, some say Cringy, Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 2: and it reminds me a lot of Baker, where it

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Speaker 2: was like he's almost more concerned about being viewed as

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Speaker 2: cool than winning football games.

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Speaker 1: You know. I heard you say something today on the

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Speaker 1: radio show that and I've always thought this for years

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Speaker 1: is the disingenuous nature of the media when they get

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable with the questions that are asked during the draft period.

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Speaker 1: It's like a team is not just hiring some twenty

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Speaker 1: fifteen they're paying him millions of dollars other company that

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Speaker 1: was making an acquisition. You know, first a top ten

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Speaker 1: You do a lot of I don't know, due diligence.

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Speaker 1: Right when you make an acquisition of a business, the

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Speaker 1: business is the person. So what are you gonna do.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna look into the person. And sometimes you got

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Speaker 1: to ask uncomfortable questions. And where do they usually come

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Speaker 1: from your scouts when they go into these schools being

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Speaker 1: I think I'm not just saying this because you're here.

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Speaker 2: they don't know how to manipulate games. So Jacksonville I

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Speaker 2: think has to get to that point. And that's a

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Speaker 2: real thing. Like the really good teams New England manipulated

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Speaker 2: games where they were outplayed. I think Kansas City doesn't

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Speaker 2: that time. I think yeah, And I'm like Jacksonville just

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Speaker 2: has talent, they just don't know how to They don't

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Speaker 2: know how to win games. They don't play perfect football. Well,

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Speaker 2: they might win or lose the game.

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Speaker 1: But the three guys in the AFC Mahomes, Allen, and

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Speaker 1: and definitely the rest of the league thinking that they're

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Speaker 1: not the best player on the field and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: win the fucking game. And I wonder if Trevor you know,

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Speaker 1: for the first time in the league, had a taste

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Speaker 1: of that last year, had the big you know, had

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Speaker 1: it couldn't have gone any worse, right, He basically if

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Speaker 1: he was a golfer, hit like seven shots out of

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Speaker 1: bounds on the first hole in the first half against

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Speaker 1: the Chargers, and then to me, the mental fortitude, I

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Speaker 1: mean that he eagerly could have gone in the tank

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Speaker 1: and no one would have blamed him, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: first playoff taste bad game, threw a bunch of picks,

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Speaker 1: he did not flinch, came back, made a bunch of plays.

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Speaker 1: So I would expect just a massive year from him.

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Speaker 1: And to me, Doug has a personality a lot like

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Speaker 1: Andy very even Keel. Not a big screamer, offensive guy,

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Speaker 1: former quarterback, you know, just kinda He's just an NFL guy.

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Speaker 1: He just gets pros and I think he's going to

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Speaker 1: be really good for them. He has been.

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Speaker 2: One thing you touched on this week, and I want

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Speaker 2: to bring it back for people that didn't hear it

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Speaker 2: is your take on Ron Rivera and Eric b Enemy,

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Speaker 2: where Ron not only stepped in it, he created it

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Speaker 2: with the comments about the enemy. Take our audience here

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Speaker 2: back to that, because I thought it was a poignant

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Speaker 2: point about in the NFL there's enough landmines. Don't throw

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Speaker 2: your own grenades.

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Speaker 1: Well, to me, there's a reason. And I don't blame

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Speaker 1: coaches for lying, right, it's not. It doesn't behoove them

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Speaker 1: to give out information that just creates chaos. Most people

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Speaker 1: on the team are well under thirty live on their phone.

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Speaker 1: You got to be very careful. It's why so many

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Speaker 1: coaches don't really say anything and when they do it

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Speaker 1: all leans positive. For him to come out and acknowledge

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Speaker 1: it'd be one thing, right if there was something simmering,

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Speaker 1: there was a powerful story from a Wickersham from the

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Speaker 1: athletic would be like, what's going on? He gets asked

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Speaker 1: about it, any kind of steps on it, you would

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Speaker 1: understand it. Maybe you got cornered a little bit in

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Speaker 1: a press conference. That was not the case at all.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you. I hadn't heard anything. Unless

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Speaker 1: you knew a player or someone on the staff, no

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Speaker 1: one would have been talking about it. So for him

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Speaker 1: just to acknowledge that was borderline unprecedented. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: never see that in the NFL unless you know. Is

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Speaker 1: he already trying to point the finger at him? He

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Speaker 1: sees it not going well? Ron? The thing, It's not

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Speaker 1: like Ron is some modern day, progressive, easygoing NFL coach.

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Speaker 1: This guy's an old school screamer, yeller, defensive guy. So

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't have a problem with you coaching hard. Does

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Speaker 1: he think it's not going well? Does he see our

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Speaker 1: quarterback syste situation is a disaster. I've seen some headlines

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Speaker 1: multiple times. Part of the reason I started getting off

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Speaker 1: them before This story even kind of came out because

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Speaker 1: of run was because he kept mentioning Jacoby Brissett. He

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Speaker 1: kept don't sleep on Jacoby Brissette, Oh no, and I went,

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Speaker 1: what we've seen Jacoby, just keep him as your backup.

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Speaker 1: What are we talking about? So maybe there's some butting

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Speaker 1: of heads when it comes to personnel. You got new ownership.

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Speaker 1: Let's face it. If Ron were to go seven and

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Speaker 1: ten or like his he was not going to get fired.

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Speaker 1: He's never going to get a head coaching job again.

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Speaker 1: Like this is his career is over. So it did

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Speaker 1: feel a little bit like he's pointing the finger. Not

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Speaker 1: just a bizarre story. Just when you never see you

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Speaker 1: never see coaching hard. What does that even mean? You

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Speaker 1: go to a practice in high school, people are getting

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Speaker 1: screamed at. It's not even that weird.

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Speaker 2: John middlecoff Go Low is his golf podcast, and three

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Speaker 2: and Out is his football podcast. Full of information. This

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Speaker 2: is fun. We'll be doing it every week during the

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Speaker 2: NFL season. I'm watching the game starting tonight and all weekend.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait and we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 1: Have a good weekend. Colin the volume