WEBVTT - #196 - Lil Flip 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.160 Buleg cav Show Special guests. We have got the chetown 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:09.560 legend himself, Little Flipping the Building man. Welcome, Bro, welcome, welcome. Hey, 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.880 what's good bro? Love the place? Man? Thank you better? Yeah, man, 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.119 congrats on everything. Thank you man. How's everything going with you? 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.439 Been blessed? How you doing? Hey? I woke up today, 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:21.919 So yeah, I tell everybody that's the hell of a 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.560 great start. That is a great start. How well, first 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.119 of all, what's going on, Like, what's the latest and 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.440 greatest in Little Flips world? What you been doing? What 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.480 you been working on? And you've always got businesses you're 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.120 starting and all kinds of shit going on, right Yeah, 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:38.280 I mean that's that's all I do. Let's see, besides 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.960 being the owner of Exotic Pop, which is everywhere everywhere, 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.440 that I'm doing a lot of stuff in the metaverse. 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:52.920 I got a concert coming up in the metaverse August fourteenth, 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.120 and then me and zero we just got done with 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.960 Kings of the South Part two. I dropped Flip Madewell 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:06.640 of the I got a well, I guess I'll announce 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.040 it here. I got a show coming where we're going 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:15.520 to discover the next big thing like a talent like 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:20.160 reality show. Yes, yes, and we want the next you know, 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:24.240 like it's always one of ones, but legendary stuff. We're 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.000 not looking for regional, We're not looking for we want 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.920 the next stadium filler. What is what is the platform 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.560 it'll be on? Well, that's the thing that that's the 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.840 only thing that we're You're going to film it first 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:37.840 and then shop it around or well we we already 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.480 have things in place already. Yeah. Yeah, man, shout out 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.840 to King Lee, you know, my business partner. But we 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.280 got some stuff going. So the metaverse, the apps, the 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.320 Exotic Pops. How did you get involved with Exotic Pop? Well, 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:54.840 the other owner, Charleston, he's from Houston and he grew 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.160 up on my music. We grew up in the same area. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.280 And he's like, man, I got the soda company thing, 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.160 I'm doing, what's up? And so I'm like, man, I'm down. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.840 And so we just put our heads together and keeling 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.320 and the cool cup juice and we just been Yeah. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.480 Because like any smoke shop you're go into or i 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.960 mean obviously liquor stores too. They're right because because Exotic 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.560 Pop quit me from more. You guys are given, like 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.760 artists their own sodas right correct, right, right right given 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.440 like other streams of income. We're some of the artists 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:28.200 that have their own soda. I know Mac Dre's got 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:29.919 his when I was in the Baby tried it. Yeah, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.600 rest Peace, That's one of my favorite ones, the Bubblegum 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:38.120 restu piece of mac Dre Man. We did one with 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:43.240 Ryb Kardashian. We did one with Drake's dad, twenty one 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.440 Savage and Metro Boom, and we gave Sauce walking his 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.680 own water. I got cream soda and I have a 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.799 green Apple cool cup juice. Man. There's so many artists, man, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.960 but the legends like DJ Screwed, Big Mold, Fat padd 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.240 like all the legends who are not here, Big Halt. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.120 You know, we help their families with the money and 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.040 each soa that we sell, like on the back of 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.080 it it sayss like a percentage of it goes to 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.920 the community. So wherever the artists are from, we do 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.000 a lot of stuff with the community, with the kids. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.880 And I'm actually putting out a mixtape August fourteen called 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.720 the Arti Freestyle, where I'm rapping over my favorite Big 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.359 Mo beats, my favorite Fat Pat beats, so I sat 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.720 down with Direct, the owner of all these masters, and 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.720 I'm like, hey, bro, you gotten cleared. Yes, I'm like, bro, 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.800 I want to wrap on these classic beats and put 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.960 them out and you know, so we talked about the beers. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.120 But it's crazy, you know, because I feel like the 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.200 people who came before me, it's on me to make 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.680 sure while I'm still here that their names live on 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.400 you know what I mean, because they did so much 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:57.120 for me, and you know, nobody knows when we go go, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.760 so it's on me. It's on Flip everywhere I go 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:05.320 to make sure DJ Screw, PIMC, Big Mo, HOWK Fat Pat, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.240 like all these different people that are from where I'm 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.200 from that we hold to high regard the same way 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.000 people hold Big and Pop like or even like a 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.560 guy like Mac dra and the Bay exactly. So you know, 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.640 we just we go keep pushing it. How did you initially, 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.680 because I remember when you came out, the first thing 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.560 I remember was you having your own cereal with a 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.560 Leprechaun project, and then obviously it was like, oh shit, 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.800 there's this guy who's got his own cereal. I was 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.640 living in Arizona at the time, so I didn't know 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.839 much about the Houston scene outside of like rap a 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.560 lot and Scarface and obviously ugk they're from Port Arthur. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.200 But uh, but in terms of like the screwed up shit, 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.479 just that whole kind of wave, I really didn't get 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:55.120 super hip too until you know, it really went commercial 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.120 and you know, when you and Mike Jones and Paul 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.920 Wall and everybody had their U their wave. You know, 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.760 So how did you like initially kind of get into 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.080 the game and like, I know, like nationally, was that 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:11.320 kind of like your first big look the Lepercun shit. Well, 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:15.560 the Lepercun was my first solo album. So the difference 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.719 is one of the other reasons why I called myself 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.120 for the Mayweather is because I'm born into music, just 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.200 like he was born into boxing. So a lot of 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.640 artists they started rapping and doing music as you know, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.159 fifteen high school. You know, like if you're born in 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:35.240 my house, you doing music, gotcha? So I already knew 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.800 the industry. I sunk in the choir, wrapped the Italian shows, 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:44.239 used to rap, battle, played the piano, drums, learning the guitar, 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:50.800 was in film, acting class, etiquette, class media training. So 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:56.320 I was already ready for the industry Man and the 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.080 lepercun I put that out after I did a group 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.280 album called h and See what stands for Hustler stacking Ins. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.240 But prior to that, I had a few other groups 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.880 that I was in that I started, and man, I 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.120 just knew if I had a person like j Prince 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.440 and rap a Lot by the way, free Larry Hoover, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.200 you did ye, Like if I had somebody like that 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:21.880 as my mentor in my same city to study the blueprint. 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.000 So I just sit back, like, okay, just the way 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:30.400 you you market yourself, just the way you don't take 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.920 no for a answer. This is the way you invest 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.440 in your own money and time. You do it your way. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.000 So seeing them come through, you know, clubs and come 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.680 through the neighborhoods, in the in the Double Lords and 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.880 the Roads Russes. Like since I was young and watched 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.240 Richie rich I already knew Rose Russes was for me 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.520 right tall on me somewhere. I don't know the Double 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:57.080 Lords right here, hellogo. But so I had the perfect 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.960 blueprint to watch out rap a Lot, you know, like 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.479 this man had a car a lot and then turned 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:06.240 it into like music business and you know, had to 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.440 get our boys everywhere and just different artists and putting 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.240 out these albums and coming to car shows displaying all 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.240 their cars and showing up to the shows fifty deep, 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.840 everybody all and black. Like it was just like a 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:22.600 big thing. So I basically was a sponge being able 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.800 to balance what I learned from my family, my dad, 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:29.760 my grandparents, my mom, and then DJ Screw then it 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.800 was like I was learning from Jay Prince as well. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.960 So we put out the HSSE album, put that out, 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.160 Rest in Peace to Jason he died. He's on HSC album, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:42.360 my high school homie. And then after that, well, when 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.040 we put it out, fans was like, man, we wanted 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.440 to flip solo album. Why would you put the group 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.840 out and you're the hottest thing in the streets. But 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.560 I've always been with them people that like to try 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.200 to bring people with me, you know what I mean. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:55.760 That was how I was raised, Like if you have 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.000 more than the next person, hey, I'm not gonna sit it, 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.120 eat the stake and you don't have nothing, I just 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:02.960 cut my shit in half and give you half of 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.120 my stake. Like that's the type of person I am, 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.080 And so I did that and that was one of 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.720 the best decisions because it allowed me to record the 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.360 Leperate Cunt album. And what happened the first album we 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.400 put out, the group album HSC. We did pretty cool, 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:18.680 you know what I mean. But it was so many 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.680 people on the label, the amount of money that it 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.120 was making, and then I'm the marquee artist. It just 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:28.480 wasn't enough, right, and everybody wants to see me, right, 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:30.520 So it's like I'm like, but I still want my 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.640 guys like with me, you know what I mean. So 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.320 the Leperate Cunt album, I wrote half of it in 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.400 my freestyle half of it and half of that album, 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.560 like I was like literally still in the trap with 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.240 my homie Task resting piece of Task, that's my guy, 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:50.520 Like literally making the album, making plays, you know in 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.560 the front room, you know, with the shotgun, you know, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.319 in the front room with the Nato the ak, like 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.960 literally making plays and in between playing you know, PLAYSTATIONE 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.959 and and writing raps and constructing my Lepercun album. So 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.839 I was able to really have fun and I can 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.679 do that. It was the single we put that ship out. 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:14.280 It did crazy? Did that come out on wrap a Lot? No? Yeah, 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.360 I partnered up with a guy named Hump and we 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.160 we we well. Sucker Free was like a concert. It 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.040 was entertainment company at first, and I partnered up with 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.600 him because he was one of my childhood I remember that. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.360 I remember the Yeah, so my dad. He was one 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.959 of my dad's childhood friends. And I'm like, all right, hey, 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.280 let's turn it to a record label. You be the CEO, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.679 I'd be the CEO. And so we put it out, 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.280 did well independent and a lot of people don't know 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.560 when you put out a double album and it counts right, 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.839 so like people like you know, Pock and Biggie when 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:51.480 they you know, they go down, but it counts to 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.280 it counts its too. So eight Ball, you know, one 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.360 of my trip, yeah, the triple album come Lost. So 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:00.920 I'm like, damn all, he got to sell us one 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:04.520 third of half a meal and he's gold you know 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:08.440 what I mean, Yeah, you know, to get the gold plaquet. Yeah. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.840 So it's like and it ended up selling you know, 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.520 a million plus, so he ended up going triple platinum. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.280 A lot of people don't know eight Ball Lost is 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.760 like triple platinum. That's yeah. So and in my mind 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.080 I'm like, hey, I'm a I'm a sponge, So I 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.160 studied rap a lot, I studied swave house. I study everything, 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.760 and then I implement my own, you know, final version 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.839 of what I've learned from everybody put that shit out. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.360 So a lot of record was doing mixtape, a lot 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.560 of records mixtape mixtapes pulling out. Everybody was like, why 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.720 are you rapping on these beats and putting them out? 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.840 You should focus on real stuff. I'm like, Nah, this 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:45.800 is what DJ Screw taught me, this is where I 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.480 come from. So people started seeing. We would pull up 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.920 the towns and we picking up show money, and hell, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:56.559 I'm picking up mixtape money. The mixtape money, hell, at 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.760 times was two times more than the show money. So 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.240 I'm dropping off boxes five. You're just like dropping off 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.760 at the local spots. Music Mania was a spot in Austin, 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.559 crazy place. It was record store, Yes, bro, right next 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:15.000 to active athlete, and Bro, I pull up cash out 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:20.680 fifteen K here, twenty K here, damn yeah, come back 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.719 to Austin three months later. By that time, I got 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.720 a new mixtape out repeat. So I had a place 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.520 in Austin, a place in Dallas, t Time Music, a 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.319 place in Tyler. Wow. Those were like my main three 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.920 hubs of where I knew I could go pick up 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.760 five k here, ten k here, dropping off some products. 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.839 B It was the easiest shit. And so I'm like, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.520 y'all calling me stupid, but y'all wondering how I'm selling 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.559 all these records and how everybody wants to see me 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.440 is because I'm just giving this shit away. Sometimes we 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.240 were selling them as well, so like at the to 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.120 the retail people, I would selling them to them, but 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.840 at the concepts, I would give them away right that. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.680 It's crazy. Hey, those are the good old days though, man. Yeah, 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.800 when you could sell so you could just pull up 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.800 and have like a relationship with the owner of a 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.760 record store and you know he believe in what you're doing, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:17.520 and then you turn that into instant monetary. 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Man, 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.520 I'm one of them people like this bro. I'm like, 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.600 I'm not a stuck in my ways type of king, 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:39.040 right I hustle, the dinosaur way, the modern way, and 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.600 the future way. So it I mean, I love it. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.800 I just embrace it. I still press up my physical 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.280 copies and my wax for the DJs that like wax 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.720 and wax sales for pretty good money these days. So yeah, 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.200 people still buy vinyl. It's like almost like as a collector, 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.120 they'd almost rather buy the vinyl than the CD because 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.880 it feels like there's people buying vinyl don't even have 0:13:59.920 --> 0:14:03.240 a turned able to play it on the agreed agreed, 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.960 And so yeah, that's that's where I'm at. And then 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.560 like the things with the streams, you know, like like 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.080 I say, the only downfall to the stream you know, 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.600 like I'm not I'm not one of the OG haters, 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.679 Like uh, I'm like I fuck with the new cats, 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.680 the new artists. You know. My only concern with the 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.720 streams is like this, how I compare it? Right? I 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.840 compared a stream to this. You know how back in 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.560 the days, you could go to a music store and 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:33.280 listen to a whole album, right, you can chamit whatever whatever. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:38.440 If you didn't buy it, you didn't get that sale, right, 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.920 Like the artists didn't get that sale. So if you 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.000 go to a car lot and you test drive a 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:48.120 car and you don't buy it. The guy who's selling 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.840 the car doesn't get credit for you test driving the car. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.840 He gets credit for yourself. So just the way that 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.440 they converted to like you have this many streams, this 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.960 means you're a platinum, but a sample to me is 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.920 still it's like you can't lower the goal post. It's 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.960 how I look at it, no matter what, no matter what. Right, 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.400 like any other business, if you sell pizza, if you 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.280 only sell twenty pizzas, man, you only sold twenty pizzas well, 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.120 if you think about it, like with the playlist world, 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.760 it's like you might throw a new playlist on that 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.200 Spotify feed you whether it's like rap Caaba or whatever, 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.440 and even if the song plays for thirty seconds, you 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:26.920 don't fuck with you hit next on the playlist still 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.320 counts as a stream, right, So it's it's like a 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.440 sometimes a person that's able to be like, oh yeah, 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.160 I went flatten them. I got this many streams, and 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.400 it creates a big head. Also, like you'll really know 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:45.040 if it's working if you can sell hard tickets. Correct, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.360 because there's a lot of these artists who stream big numbers, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.880 but they can't go on tour. Yeah. So it's so 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.120 it's so like I'm like on the fence with like 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.440 just like one hundred percent, Like, oh, I love it. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.720 Like it's dope that people all around the world can 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.560 hear your music from the push up of button and 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.240 you can also upload ship exactly button, so it's coxactly. 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.000 Back in the day, you had to go press up CDs, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.560 find distribution right to get like your ship all over 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.880 the country in a record store. Agreed, man, So now 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.040 it's like I just hit it. There's no middle man. Yeah. 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.280 So like I embraced it. I'm one of them people. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.920 I adapt. Man, what's going on? You know? Plex? Like 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.239 I love I love like in my house and my studios, 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.160 I got PLEX and stuff on the wall that just 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.560 inspires me. Man, you know what I mean? So I 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.560 fuck with this setup? Man? You uh, the first like, 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.360 like I guess you're kind of coming out party, would 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.360 you say, would be like underground legend in terms of 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:42.000 just like commercially national correct? What was it was? Game 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.280 over on that game Over was on the next album. Right, 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.320 you gotta feel me? The way we ball was the 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.840 first to feel me was crazy this is the way. Yeah, 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.920 I forgot about the way one video multi platinum off 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:57.360 one video. That's fucking crazy because was that a double album? Yeah? 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.000 All my albums a double albums. I remember it most 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:01.840 of the time. What was the album where you were 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.119 like kind of like in black on the cover it 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.480 came out The Game Over remix was on there. I 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.560 want to say, mind that shit was there was a 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.879 record on there, fuck that I loved because I know 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.240 that like that was kind of there wasn't like a 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:19.120 super smash on that album, was there. I wouldn't say 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.000 it was a super sm There was a record on 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.560 that project that I fucking loved. Yeah, it was like 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.760 I think I put what it Do was on there 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.760 with many fresh and yeah we put we put a 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.400 little money behind it, but we didn't go in mind 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.480 there was a couple of records on there that I loved, 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.760 and that was a part right there. I was actually 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.200 like transitioning leaving the label. So one That's why it's 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.840 like a version where it's one cover of me standing 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.400 in front of black and then it's one version when 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.119 I went to one of the brothers, I'm holding some 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.400 money or some quick shit. I didn't really like that cover, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.959 but I put on the cover Free Zero, So that's 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:57.560 what I was pushing, you know, so welcome home Zero. 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.600 He been home for me for a while. Yeah yeah, 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.960 but I that They were like, you're gonna put free 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:08.200 Somebody on your album cover. I'm like, yeah, this is yeah, yeah, 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.000 well this was Sony No, no, no, this was Warner. 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.600 This was one of just one person. One person asked me, 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:18.359 and I was like, yeah, like it's not a mixed listen. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.320 I know what I'm doing. Like see, I never let 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.640 a person like tell me what I can I can't do, 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.320 especially when it comes to art. I'm one of those 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.720 people though, I will listen to your opinion, like I 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.280 will listen. I'm like, I'm a That doesn't mean I 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.359 have to take it, but I will acknowledge it and 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.399 if it makes sense to me. I'm a rock with 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.120 and that's how I got open to input, helping information. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.919 That's how I got where I'm at. Yo. There was 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.560 a period of time where you were popping up on 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.399 a lot of June radio shit the mixtapes back in 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.480 the day. Was there ever any conversations where fifty was 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.040 trying to sign you to JUnit Man, me and fifty 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:58.719 We talked about doing some business a few times. It 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.520 never like happened, like I think, mainly due to like 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:06.520 scheduling and stuff. But we didn't specifically talk like I'm 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:11.639 signing to because see, no matter if I'm on TV 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.240 or not, like I'm I came in this industry as 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.440 a CEO, So if I would ever do a deal 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.439 with another artist, it would be a joint picture. It 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:23.200 would be a partnership. I'll never ever be under anybody 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.399 and never have every album I ever put out. I 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.920 was a CEO, so I was already taught as a kid. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.920 Come in a game of ceo, be an artist. Don't 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.600 let people tell you, Oh, you should just focus on 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.800 the music part and let us talk for you. And 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:43.240 know that's how you get robbed. That's how lawyers put bruh. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.439 That's how lawyers man finess you out of bread, especially 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.080 the lawyers that like are suggested to you by the 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.000 people you're signing to. Oh you don't have a good lawyer, 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:54.199 We got one for you, yeah, bro, the motherfuckers. So 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.080 I'm gonna talk for myself. I get to done. I 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.719 get the deal done way quicker when I talk for myself. 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.520 Did you ever have a situation where you got into 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.720 a shitty deal like early on, like whether it was 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.800 the Sony or the Warner situation, because back in the day, 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.560 those major label deals were fucking treacherous. Thank you. I 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.040 never got into a shitty deal. I've been in some 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.199 deals where I got what I wanted or got what 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.400 I asked for it, but I looked out for somebody 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.920 out of what I got, only to find out later 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:26.080 that they had got a separate bag for themselves as well. 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.720 So they dipped in the pay, they double dip, But 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.520 I still got what I want because at the end 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.600 of the day, I think like a hustler. I get 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.560 paid to talk, seen make words, rhyme, come up with 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.720 witty shit, make a motherfucker say wow. It's people that 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:43.960 talk all day, don't that don't get paid for it. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.240 So I look at it like this, br Any amount 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.239 of money that a motherfucker go pay me just a 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.720 talk is a win. Now, when we go to my 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.040 accolades and what I've accomplished, I know how to find 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.960 the medium of I know how to negotiate. My dad 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.520 was a master car salesman, so I know how to 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.040 play a s I know how to play a wolf 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:02.760 because at the end of the day, I'm a hustler. 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.359 So at the end of the day, almost any amount 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:09.720