WEBVTT - “I’M HAVING AN AFFAIR”

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<v Speaker 1>the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, is this a therapy Gecko? This is the therapy Gecko?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is this?

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<v Speaker 2>Hi?

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<v Speaker 3>When he is Lily?

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<v Speaker 1>Lily, what's going on? Lily, what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of in a predicament to say the least.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in a predicament to say the least, do you.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume that you called me so that we could

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this predicament. Yes, predict me. Hit me with

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<v Speaker 1>the predict, Hit me with the predict immense. Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been married to my current partner for about I

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<v Speaker 2>would say about three years. Well, we've been on and

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<v Speaker 2>off for three years. We were dating and then we

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<v Speaker 2>just got married about a year ago. My ex kind

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<v Speaker 2>of came back into my life, but it's been there

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the three years. And he is also married during

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<v Speaker 2>this entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and him have been off and on, like pretty

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<v Speaker 2>often on let's just say that, and we both decided

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of move on with our life and we

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<v Speaker 2>got married to separate partners. Now, I didn't think I

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<v Speaker 2>would hear from him again, and it kind of started

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<v Speaker 2>to pick up, and I was like, oh, we're just

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<v Speaker 2>picking up where we left off, I guess, And he's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really happy in my marriage. Are you happy

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<v Speaker 2>in your marriage? And I'm like yes, and no, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean my partner cheated on me too, so it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like not like revenge, but I kind of feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I have multiple questions, but it says you're It

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<v Speaker 1>says you're in Japan seeing an a fair partner and

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<v Speaker 1>he's been ignoring me. So now I am bumming it

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<v Speaker 1>out in an airbnb.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was in Japan a while back ago, like

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<v Speaker 2>that was almost like three months ago. Yes, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>same person.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Are they Japanese?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let me get this situation correct. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>been married for three years. Yes, your husband cheated on you, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you forgave him m hm. And now your ex boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>is coming back and you're having an affair with your

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<v Speaker 1>ex boyfriend on your husband. The ex boyfriend is also

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<v Speaker 1>having an affair on his wife. Yes, okay, where are

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<v Speaker 1>you right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in Illinois?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, where's your husband? He is currently deployed. Okay. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you guys have kids together? No?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Why Uh, if you you're not happy in your marriage

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't have kids together and there's another person

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be with, why are you still in

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<v Speaker 1>this marriage?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like I have to be like an

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<v Speaker 2>obligation because my family is so strict. What I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how i'llso explain it, Like they just they feel

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<v Speaker 2>like if you marry one person, you should be stuck

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<v Speaker 2>with that person.

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<v Speaker 1>How old are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven?

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<v Speaker 1>Did your family arrange this marriage?

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<v Speaker 2>No? But they love him to death? Okay, And I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm going to be like a disappointment and

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<v Speaker 2>like let my family down if they find this out.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your name, Lily? All right, I'll break here's the few, Okay. So, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're unhappy in your marriage, you really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>have two options, and especially you don't have kids. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you don't have kids. Man, I mean like

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<v Speaker 1>if you're unhappy in your marriage, like it's either like

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta try to work it out, but you don't

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<v Speaker 1>sound like you even like it like that, Like but

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<v Speaker 1>this is you only really you only really want to

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<v Speaker 1>work it out if you like like this guy, but

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even like you didn't even like this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was there before, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things that he did, like cheat on

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<v Speaker 2>me and do other stuff behind my back, it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of deteriorated over time. And then I asked about like

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<v Speaker 2>therapy and maybe we should consult somebody, and she's a

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<v Speaker 2>type to never want to do that, so it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just bothered me from that point on, and instead

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<v Speaker 2>of like talking to somebody, I ended up talking to

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<v Speaker 2>my ex about it, and that's where I think things

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<v Speaker 2>were kind of went.

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<v Speaker 1>Solf, why are you? Why are you in this marriage

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<v Speaker 1>with a part? There's no there's no reason for you

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<v Speaker 1>to be in this marriage. You don't like this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have kids that you're staying together for, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what are you? Literally are are you being serious that

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<v Speaker 1>you're literally only doing this because you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>disappoint your parents.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much like they paid for everything they paid for,

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<v Speaker 2>like the bey paid for, like the move because we

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<v Speaker 2>move states. They like, I just don't want to let

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<v Speaker 2>my family down, and I feel like I'd be a

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<v Speaker 2>disappointment because the rest of my family is a reach together.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen. Listen, listen, I listen on this podcast. Listen. I

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<v Speaker 1>hate uh listen. I really try as hard as possible

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<v Speaker 1>to not make this like a direct advice podcast, and

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<v Speaker 1>just like I'm like chatting with people, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>just this is an open and shut case right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just this is like an open and shut case.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no reason whatsoever at all for you to

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<v Speaker 1>be in this marriage, like like you're not you're not

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<v Speaker 1>even doing a thing of like, oh, the feelings are

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<v Speaker 1>complicated and sometimes it's like this, and sometimes it's like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just can't get try, like we're not even

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<v Speaker 1>getting that, Like you don't like this person at all,

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<v Speaker 1>You have no desire to make it work or be

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<v Speaker 1>with them? What what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Just what?

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<v Speaker 1>Like why are you in this marriage? This is? This

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<v Speaker 1>is this is this is crazy. Who gives your who

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<v Speaker 1>gives a fuck what your parents think?

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<v Speaker 3>This is?

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's I listen, I'm I'm ill, i'll I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>a level with you. You must have been raised in

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<v Speaker 1>like uh uh for you to be feeling this way.

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<v Speaker 1>You there must have been something going on with your

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<v Speaker 1>parents where like they conditioned you to feel this way

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, because this is this is wild,

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<v Speaker 1>Like do you like you don't like this guy at all?

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<v Speaker 1>There's no there's no reason for you to be in

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<v Speaker 1>this marriage. Yeah, it's it's hard. What okay, tell all right, okay, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>let's what all right, let's get into the parents thing,

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<v Speaker 1>because listen from my perspe active it's it's ridiculous, but clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly it has an emotional hold on you. So we

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<v Speaker 1>can get into it if you want to, Like why,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on with your parents?

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of just grew up where it's like really strict,

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<v Speaker 2>really like Catholic family, to say the least. My mom

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of abusive a little bit towards me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would always have to do stuff like to please

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<v Speaker 2>a guy if that made sense, okay, Like anything I

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<v Speaker 2>had to do, it had to be like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to actually put makeup on, you have to actually

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<v Speaker 2>try when you go out. You can't look like basically crap.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was always like for male gates, like never

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<v Speaker 2>for my own, you know. And if it wasn't, like

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<v Speaker 2>if I would never get dressed up, she would always

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<v Speaker 2>kind of put me down. So I feel like with

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<v Speaker 2>going into the marriage, like I feel like I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing everything to be perfect for somebody that I really

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I cared for, and then it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fell apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fine, by the way, you know, Like that's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you go into a thing with someone and

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<v Speaker 1>you thought that you can I mean, especially if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have kids, right, and especially if you're not like

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<v Speaker 1>in like some I get that some people are in

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of these crazy scenarios with like uh, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know whatever, like the kids are involved, or like

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<v Speaker 1>significant like financial discrepancies are involved, or like there's like

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<v Speaker 1>whatever logistical difficulties involved in like leaving a relationship, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I like, I get that those things can be difficult,

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<v Speaker 1>but in this situation, like or is anything like that

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<v Speaker 1>in this situation that is preventing you from leaving this marriage?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say financials too. Financials and then moving. I

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<v Speaker 2>picked up a lot when I decided to marry this person,

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<v Speaker 2>and I picked up my entire life to be with them.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when they hurt me that way, it definitely

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<v Speaker 2>shifted my mindset because I left my job and I

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<v Speaker 2>was making somewhat decent money. I was working for the

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<v Speaker 2>government at this time, and I was making pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>and he wasn't doing too much because he was injured.

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<v Speaker 2>So I felt like I was providing all the money

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<v Speaker 2>everything into it, and I feel bad like if I

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<v Speaker 2>was just going to pull the rug out too and

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<v Speaker 2>all the money that I saved up, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>be like hey, like you're on your own, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>can't do that to somebody to you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What on your what you wait, your husband? You said,

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<v Speaker 1>your husband's on his own.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was injured, okay, related accident.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's deployed. Now he's your husband's employed, yes, currently, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so your husband's currently deploy your your husband has a

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<v Speaker 1>career with the military. No, no, yeah, okay, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even like again, I'm like trying to find and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like literally trying to find anything like I like

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<v Speaker 1>that of like it's not like your like even it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even a thing of like like a financial provider,

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<v Speaker 1>and like what are they gonna do without me? Like

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<v Speaker 1>your husband's employed.

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<v Speaker 2>So you think that to leave?

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I'm no, I'm like he's the thing I

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<v Speaker 1>like U for for for whatever, Like I like, I

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<v Speaker 1>understand like the various emotions and difficulties in life that

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<v Speaker 1>cause people to do things or stay in relationships they

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be in or whatever. Like I understand that, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really like trying to like search in your situation

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<v Speaker 1>for anything remotely that is that. But if the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you're bringing up is that you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to disappoint your parents. It's feeling it's feeling open and shut. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know that, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. What is the benefit of that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? What is the benefit to you of staying in this?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I can't I can't even make a pros and

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<v Speaker 1>consolest with you, Like I can't name a single pro.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess to go back home. I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 2>the pro.

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<v Speaker 1>You get to go back home if you don't divorce

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<v Speaker 1>your Like, what's the pro of not what is the

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of What is the advantage of being in this?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the blockade of leaving this marriage with this

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<v Speaker 1>person that you don't like?

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's it's something that I built for

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but it was built on I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>mistrust and two different things. So I guess nothing. You're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's really nothing holding me back, and I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like my family has to be they have to

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<v Speaker 2>come to terms to it, Like eventually, is that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Genuinely want to know? Is that the main issue that

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<v Speaker 1>you have?

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<v Speaker 2>I think? So that's all I can really list. I

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<v Speaker 2>did care about him, but we both done things, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, to hurt each other. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not there. I just didn't want to disappoint

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<v Speaker 2>my family, but it's like they.

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<v Speaker 1>Have to get over it. You know, does he even

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm looking for anything, like does he is

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<v Speaker 1>it even a thing of like he really likes you

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<v Speaker 1>and wants to make it work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he was before he left. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>could say that he put an effort, but I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it was like guilt, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>Like when somebody goes out of their way to do

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<v Speaker 2>stuff when they did you dirty, like they hurt you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I kind of got out of that. Like

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<v Speaker 2>after I found out, it went all downhill and he

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<v Speaker 2>would try to do anything to stay with me, but

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like everything he was doing was just like

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<v Speaker 2>a facade, like it wasn't real at all to me.

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<v Speaker 1>M Yeah, listen, what's your name again, Lily? Lily? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>literally listen. You should talk to a real therapist about

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff going on with your family. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you did want Gecko therapy perspective, I mean your family

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<v Speaker 1>like like dude, like I mean, I mean, you're twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, like I know, like what the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing of like I'll disappoint your your family. It's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck them, what the fuck? Like that's like I don't like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's ridiculous. You know, it's totally ridiculous to like stay

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<v Speaker 1>in a marriage that you don't want to be, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck does your family have to do with

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<v Speaker 1>like you staying in an unhappy marriage? For Lily, there's

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<v Speaker 1>really no reason, like like let them suck it up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>You do?

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<v Speaker 3>You do?

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<v Speaker 1>You do? You see why? That's I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>discount it because clearly this is like again it's from

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<v Speaker 1>my perspective it's ridiculous, but clearly from your perspective, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big thing, and I want to I want to

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<v Speaker 1>understand why.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I just think the way I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up is just a lot of disappointment if I do

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<v Speaker 2>certain things that aren't in the like the right eyes

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<v Speaker 2>of my family.

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<v Speaker 1>I e.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, they paid for a wedding and then I turn

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<v Speaker 2>around and get divorced three years later. It's like why

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<v Speaker 2>do they even pay for it?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, fuck them because you know what, you

0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.800
<v Speaker 1>don't pay for your fucking daughter wedding. You pay for

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<v Speaker 1>your daughters, like like, okay, you have to fuck them.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's why, because listen, it was listen, it was

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<v Speaker 1>nice of your parents to pay for your wedding. This

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<v Speaker 1>is my but this is really what I believe. This

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<v Speaker 1>is what what I what I want you to believe

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<v Speaker 1>to Listen, it was nice of your parents to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for your wedding. And if your parents are going to

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<v Speaker 1>do some ship like that, if they're gonna pay for

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<v Speaker 1>your wedding, they should be doing it because they love

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<v Speaker 1>you and they want to help you out and they

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<v Speaker 1>want to pay for the wedding. They're not doing it

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not You're not in a business deal with them.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't they're they're not making you sign a contract.

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<v Speaker 1>We're paying for your wedding so you can never get

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<v Speaker 1>divorced even if you're unhappy. Like that's completely insane, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know what I yeah, yes, yeah, no, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>how I'm know how I'm describing it. If that's how

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<v Speaker 1>they act, that's their fucking problem. That is not your problem, Lily,

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that is not your problem. That's a fucking insane mentality

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<v Speaker 1>to have. I'm deeply sorry for you, Lily. I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>sorry that you have parents that have that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like insane mentality, But I want you to recognize if

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<v Speaker 1>nobody else in your life is telling you this, that

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<v Speaker 1>that's an insane mentality. It makes no fucking sense. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's stupid. I'm sorry. Your parents are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be people who like have have some form of like

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<v Speaker 1>something that you can you can trust in and and

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<v Speaker 1>look into. And I'm sorry that like they have that mentality,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, I just need you to realize, if nobody

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<v Speaker 1>else has told you this, that that is an insane mentality.

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<v Speaker 1>Your parents should only pay for your wedding if they

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<v Speaker 1>want to because they want to help you, not because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a contract that you can never get the voice

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<v Speaker 1>if you're unhappy, that's fucking insane. And if your parents

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<v Speaker 1>say some shit like that to you, to fuck them, Okay,

0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Like that's just that's completely insane. I don't know if

0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:18.959
<v Speaker 1>anyone else in your life has been telling you this,

0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:23.479
<v Speaker 1>but like that's that's just insane. And I get it

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<v Speaker 1>you have a relation, Like I'm not I'm not your parents' daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not dealing with the giant emotional brunt of it

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to, but like just from an outside

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<v Speaker 1>of perspective, like you, I just need you to know

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<v Speaker 1>that that is an insane mentality for your parents to have.

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<v Speaker 1>That you don't have to be responsible for their insane mentality,

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<v Speaker 1>and you should feel free as a twenty seven year

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<v Speaker 1>old adult woman to leave a marriage that's making you unhappy,

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<v Speaker 1>not to stay in it because of what your parents

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<v Speaker 1>will think, Like like, that's just completely insane.

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<v Speaker 2>You have no clue, Like how much that just made

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<v Speaker 2>me feel like ten times lighter. I'm not even kidding you.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time I talk to somebody, they think anybody in

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<v Speaker 2>my family thinks, oh well, I'm so ungrateful I'm this

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not, And I'm like, it's not even that, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just when your family acts like a debt collector instead

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<v Speaker 2>of actually being there for your daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's insaney.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I tried to talk to my mom too about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, you have everything set up for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you acting so ungrateful? Like you're such a brat,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you had a happy life, Like why are you

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<v Speaker 2>gonna throw it away? And I'm like, okay, but if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not happy, what am I going to do, like.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a different like there's a difference, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like in terms of like, but it's just for specific

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<v Speaker 1>things like this, like your parents paying for your wedding,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's okay for you to get a fucking divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's your life like it like your parents like childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>This childhood is not a thing, and you're like the

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<v Speaker 1>gifts that your parents give you, you're supposed to just do

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<v Speaker 1>that shit because you want to, not because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking debt that you have to repay. Like that's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you bring a child into the fucking world and

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<v Speaker 1>you want to help them do these things, but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't do it as a way to like repay like

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<v Speaker 1>your your parents can't act like fucking like debt collectors

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<v Speaker 1>to you. That's fucking insane.

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<v Speaker 2>And every time something goes wrong in their life it

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<v Speaker 2>always has to be because my job, Hey, can we

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<v Speaker 2>borrow X.

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<v Speaker 3>Y and Z?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I should be able to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>no without you getting mad at me or throwing back

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<v Speaker 2>in my face.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, of course, yes, there could be no reception with

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<v Speaker 1>how I'm feeling. Yes, yes, yes, please leave this marriage

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 1>if you're not happy and and if you're not happy

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<v Speaker 1>in this marriage and the only reason, Again, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of complicated reasons why people stay in relationships and

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<v Speaker 1>whatnot if the only one is that you're afraid of

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<v Speaker 1>disappointing your parents, Please like reconcile that it's completely insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I definitely will. I'm like, I'm sorry I called

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<v Speaker 2>in about something else, but I feel like this one,

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<v Speaker 2>like this convo went a little bit further, and I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I needed to hear that my family was

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<v Speaker 2>driving me up the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and then you can just be with who I mean, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and then you can just be with whoever

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:48.680
<v Speaker 1>you want. Doesn't have to be like a because you're

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<v Speaker 1>just you're you're you're tangled up in the eight thousand

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.439
<v Speaker 1>different chords that I is just I don't even know

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 1>how you like that. That's just I don't know how

0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:01.439
<v Speaker 1>you exist like that, Like that's this is crazy. You

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>don't you don't have to tangle yourself on that shit.

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 2>It'd be nice to just kind of do what I

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 2>want without having other people kind of tell me what

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<v Speaker 2>to do. So thank you for saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, Is there is there anything else you

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<v Speaker 1>want to say to the people of the computer before

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<v Speaker 1>we go.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, I just want to let people know

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<v Speaker 2>that you're never stuck then what you're doing. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know people probably think I'm a bad person right now

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 2>from what they heard, but trust if you can get out,

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<v Speaker 2>get out and go see the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Please, all right, take care man, YouTube go bay No. Hello, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what's up, homie?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god? You actually called Hi?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi? Hello? Hello? What's your name?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Jeff. I'm Jeff. I'm calling from Hong Kong.

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<v Speaker 1>You're calling from Hong Kong. Are you Hong Kong Eese

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<v Speaker 1>or are you American?

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<v Speaker 3>I am Hong Kong Ease. But it's quite of interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a lot of international schools in Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 3>because of our colonial days from the Brits. So I

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<v Speaker 3>grew up in international schools and that's how I got

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<v Speaker 3>my accent.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Yeah, I'm in Japan right now. I've met a

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<v Speaker 1>few like folks who like grew up in like an

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<v Speaker 1>international school and it's basically my understanding is it's basically

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<v Speaker 1>like going to like an American high.

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<v Speaker 3>School pretty much. Yeah, we grew up with American movies,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, American TV shows, American music. Yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>quite It's sort of that identity crisis you have where

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not local enough to be Hong Kong ease, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>considered by the local Hong Kong. But then I'm also

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<v Speaker 3>not you know, I'm like ethnically shiny. So when I'm abroad,

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<v Speaker 3>people are like, you're Chinese, you know, like, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't write in my own language.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, can I ask you a dumb question? Yeah, Hong

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<v Speaker 1>Kong is China, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, this can get very political officially according to the

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.639
<v Speaker 3>Chinese government, Yes, Hong Kong is part of China, but

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<v Speaker 3>we are what we call a Special Administrative Region, which

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<v Speaker 3>means we have a different sort of legal and government system,

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<v Speaker 3>so we basically run ourselves in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, see Hong Kong is different from mainland China.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, yes, politically, culturally very different. Hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting do you But when you're in America that I

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<v Speaker 1>what's the word that minutia is irrelevant to people. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just like you're Chinese.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well I've actually never been to the States. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>But I studied in London, so I lived in London

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<v Speaker 3>for seven years and that's where people sort of go, oh,

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 3>you're just Chinese, you know, they sort of just You're

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<v Speaker 3>just Chinese.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you like living in London? London is a

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<v Speaker 1>good town.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually thought it was really cool. I loved London.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it fit my culture better because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I grew up in a very westernized environment

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<v Speaker 3>even though I was in Hong Kong. And I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I get along with people in the UK better

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<v Speaker 3>than I do back home here.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah why is that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I think it's a cultural thing. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, for a start, I expressed myself much better

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<v Speaker 3>in English. I would consider English my first language, and

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<v Speaker 3>so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm actually you know, part

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<v Speaker 3>of the reason why I texted you is because I

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<v Speaker 3>used to be a journalist and I write exclusively in English.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm a writer in English by trade. And I

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<v Speaker 3>can't write a single Chinese character to save my life,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, okay, okay, I'm gonna ask another crazy question.

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<v Speaker 1>What language do they primarily speak in Hong Kong?

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<v Speaker 3>So Hong Kong people speak, I would say a dialect

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<v Speaker 3>of Chinese called Cantonese. M H. So you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>you've watched like Bruce Lee movies growing up, or like

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Jackie Chan movies. Those are like in Cantonese, that's what

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 3>we speak in Hong Kong m and then you go

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<v Speaker 3>to mainland China and they speak Mandarin, which for the

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<v Speaker 3>whole nation of China is the official language. It's slightly different.

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<v Speaker 3>I would I would say it's sort of like Italian

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<v Speaker 3>and Spanish. You know, they're like similar but identical.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, right, right right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So, but canton go ahead, But if you speak

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 3>so for example, if I speak Cantonese and I cross

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 3>the border we have a border, uh into mainland China,

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 3>most of the time, we can sort of understand each

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 3>other even if we're just speaking our own you know, dialect.

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<v Speaker 1>Mmm, so you can speak Cantonese, can you write Cantonese?

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<v Speaker 3>No? I I I tried for a while, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just gave up because it's just I never grew up

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 3>learning Anthony's formally, you know. I just learned how to

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 3>speak Cantonese via my parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, you learned it via your parents, But I thought

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>you grew up in Hong Kong, So wouldn't you just

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>learn it by just existing there?

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 3>So I learned how Okay, I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 3>explain this. I learned how to speak via my parents

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 3>and sort of like you know, obviously the people around me.

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 3>So speaking is not a problem. I can read it enough,

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 3>so I can sort of read a newspaper or I

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 3>can go to a restaurant and read a menu. But

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 3>I can't, like, it's not at a high level, you

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean?

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like, but that's that's crazy to me, Like

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>that you like, you are Hong Kongese, you grew up there,

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>your parents are both their parents both Hong Kong E's.

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, they're both locals.

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 1>And okay, so they're both local. Your parents are both locals,

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>and you grew up there, but you can't fully read

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<v Speaker 1>and write the language.

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a common problem a lot

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 3>of us international school kids have because we study exclusively

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 3>Lang English in school. They don't really have Chinese lessons,

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 3>and even if they do, it's they import like a

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 3>like a UK system for Chinese, so it's tailored to beginners.

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 3>So I'm sort of at a primary school level. I

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 3>think this is actually quite interesting as a as a

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 3>generational thing. Back when I was in school. So I'm

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 3>thirty three years old, and back with when I was

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 3>in primary school or international school growing up, they would

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 3>actually tell you that you're not allowed to speak Cantonese

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 3>in school, really, and I understand it. It's because there's

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 3>a lot of expat students in school, right and they

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 3>didn't want us to exclude the x BAT kids by

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 3>speaking Cantonese with each other. But then it's sort of

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 3>awkward as well, because you know, I'm Chinese. I have

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 3>friends in school who are Chinese were located in Hong Kong,

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 3>but we grew up in an environment where they just

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 3>discouraged the use of Chinese in school. So I never

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 3>learned it, you know, as a as a study, you

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. I just sort of picked it

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 3>up here and there from television, from restaurant menus.

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<v Speaker 1>But then as you move about the world, like when

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>you go to the fucking bank or whatever and you

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>have to read the sign that says, hey, we're the bank,

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<v Speaker 1>do you is that?

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>So can you do that?

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Shit?

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Yes? I can. I can read. I can read. But

0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 3>it's also funny because Hong Kong, as you know, maybe

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 3>used to belong to the British, right, And because of that,

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 3>a lot of systems here still run bilingually on English

0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 3>and Chinese. So we have the option of growing up

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 3>just entirely filling out every bank form or whatever only

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 3>in English and never having to write a word of Chinese.

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Really, so you can just like do the whole country

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 1>in just.

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:19.839
<v Speaker 3>English pretty much. Yeah, and it's quite I also find

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 3>it quite weird that actually, you know, in Hong Kong,

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 3>if you take like a cab, the older generation of

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 3>cab drivers or like the older generation of just people

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 3>will be pretty good at English because they existed in

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Hong Kong when it was still a colony, right, so

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 3>English was very commonly used, whereas the younger generation now,

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:49.320
<v Speaker 3>because we were handed back to China, they study English less.

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 3>So funny enough, the younger generation don't speak as much

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 3>English as the older generation. You know, if you go

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 3>to I'm sure if you go to Japan or something,

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, the younger people are more sort of you know,

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 3>open and more international, right, But Hong Kong right now

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 3>at least kind of has this reverse syndrome.

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, I mean, yeah, that's so that's fascinating. Yeah, because

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 1>in pretty much all foreign countries I've been to, it's

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the opposite where it's like, yeah, the older generation doesn't

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 1>really speak English and the younger generation, I mean in Japan,

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 1>like there's English proficiency in Japan in general is not

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.320
<v Speaker 1>like it's not huge, but like definitely, like even among

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the younger people it's not huge, but like, yeah, you

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.360
<v Speaker 1>definitely like most most old older cab drivers here do

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>not speak English. It's fascinating that the older generation in

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong speaks more English than the younger generation. So

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:53.439
<v Speaker 1>that okay, So you're as a thirty three year old

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:58.879
<v Speaker 1>who experiences the universe in English more than in Cantonese.

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:03.840
<v Speaker 1>You don't feel isolated. You don't feel like, oh, I'm like,

0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't really do it?

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Do you?

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Do?

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 1>You do you have that feeling where you're like, oh

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 1>do I where the hell do I fit in in

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 1>this crazy world?

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? No, honestly, it was it was an identity crisis.

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 3>I think it first hit me when I went to

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 3>university in Hong Kong because in university, everyone's in university.

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, there's no sort of English international kids university,

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 3>so you start getting mixed into the well, you know, locals, right,

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 3>and when you try to hang out with the locals

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 3>because my Chinese wasn't great. I didn't understand their TV

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:42.399
<v Speaker 3>references because I don't watch Chinese TV, or I don't

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 3>watch Chinese movies, or you know, they'll go sing karaoke

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 3>and I wouldn't know any of the Chinese songs. There

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:52.799
<v Speaker 3>was a moment, yeah, in my early twenties where I

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 3>was like, man, I don't really belong here, or like,

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 3>they don't really want to hang out with me. And

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 3>then I ended up having to hang out with the

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 3>expat like exchange students. Funny enough, like they accepted me

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 3>more and I became one of them. And to the

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 3>degree that actually during university my girlfriend was Italian, so

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:20.439
<v Speaker 3>we dated for like a good five years. And yeah,

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 3>so you know, throughout my life it's always been that.

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 3>And then I think the other culture sort of clash

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 3>was when I started working and you know, like I said,

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 3>I used to be a journalist, but I can only

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 3>write English, right, And you can imagine in Hong Kong,

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 3>where everything is predominantly Cantonese, there's not a lot of

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:47.920
<v Speaker 3>English papers or magazines, and so I had this moment

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 3>of like, man, what am I gonna do. You know,

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 3>there's like two official magazines in English in Hong Kong,

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 3>and if I don't get either of them, I'm screwed.

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Because I kind of write in Cantonese.

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<v Speaker 1>This kind of brings me to I'm gonna. I'll go

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>ahead and read your text that you sent me. Oh yeah,

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you said hello, I'm Jeff, and I'm going through a

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 1>reality check. I used to be a lifestyle journalist and

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>was treated like royalty, and now I'm working for a

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>charity in the same industry, and I've become the one

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 1>begging others to work with us. It's been quite a

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>slap in the face to see people who you thought

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 1>were friends turn so quickly on you once you're no

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 1>longer valuable to them. So, uh, okay, we'll talk about this.

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 1>What you were treated like royalty?

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you know, like it was like games journalists

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:47.880
<v Speaker 3>because I listened to your podcast. I know, like you

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 3>play video games sometimes, you know those like game journalists

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 3>and they always get like free free video games to

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 3>like test out, or like people will send them like

0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 3>PCs or like super pro consoles for free. It was

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:05.800
<v Speaker 3>sort of like that where I was a lifestyle journalist

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 3>and I would get invited to like hotel stays, resorts stays,

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 3>all for free. You know, everything's covered. I'd go to

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:17.359
<v Speaker 3>restaurants like three michellin Star restaurants, you know, which were

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 3>like a meal there in Hong Kong would set you

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 3>back maybe like five six hundred US dollars, okay, and

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 3>they would treat you to that for free, you know,

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 3>just because you're a journalist and they want you to

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 3>write about it and promote it, right, They want you

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 3>to talk about it, they want you to review it.

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, they'd fly you out business class to wherever

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.920
<v Speaker 3>you want, things like that, and you know, it was

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 3>just they would pamper you with everything because you were

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 3>writing for a reputable magazine or a reputable newspaper and

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 3>they wanted the coverage, right. So that was sort of

0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 3>the life that I was living for the past maybe

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 3>like six years.

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm.

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 3>And then yeah, and then it just got a bit

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.319
<v Speaker 3>tiring because I was out all the time. You know,

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I would work in the office Monday to Friday, like

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 3>a regular office job, but then every night I'd have

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.759
<v Speaker 3>to go dinners and and events. And at first it

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 3>was very glamorous. At first, it was like, man, this

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:25.400
<v Speaker 3>is awesome.

0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm getting it sounds sick, go wrong?

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, this is this is so I've talked to

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 3>friends about it, which is why I wanted to talk

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 3>to you about it, because everyone's like, dude, that's awesome,

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, like you get all this free ship. You know.

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 3>I I used to get gaming PCs too, because I

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 3>used to write for a website called hype Beast. I

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:46.800
<v Speaker 3>was an editor at hype Beast, and so they would

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:48.600
<v Speaker 3>send me like all this free gaming ship and all

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 3>this free stuff. I'd interview like Hollywood stars for like

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Disney and like Marvel movies. It was crazy, and so

0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 3>everyone's like, why are you complaining? But eventually it got

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 3>a bit too much where I felt like my work

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 3>just overwhelmed my life, Like I wasn't living my life anymore.

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 3>It was, you know, constantly it was work, work, work, work, work,

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 3>And I looked around the people around me and I

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.399
<v Speaker 3>could see the same with them. You know, they would

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.520
<v Speaker 3>be working Monday and Friday like me. They would go

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:22.319
<v Speaker 3>all to these events on weekends and evenings, and it

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:24.440
<v Speaker 3>was all just jumbled into one day pile. And then

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 3>all they post on Instagram is about you know, which

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 3>event they went to, which bar they went to, which

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 3>restaurant they went to, and it all became too much

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:35.760
<v Speaker 3>for me. I felt like I was losing my own life.

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't tending to the stuff that I needed to

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.360
<v Speaker 3>do at home or my relationship.

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>So what so, okay, what about your life needed tending

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 1>that was going untended. As a result of of all

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:56.320
<v Speaker 1>of this.

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 3>I think the biggest thing was my mental health. I

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:04.759
<v Speaker 3>think might be sill mental so not to get like

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 3>too grim, but I grew up in sort of like

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 3>an abusive household, and I for the past twelve years

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 3>or like thirteen years, I've been on antidepressants and I

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 3>have like sort of chronic I guess depression and anxiety,

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 3>and like when I was twenty, I was also diagnosed

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:33.800
<v Speaker 3>with borderline. I don't know if you know what borderline is. Yeah,

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 3>so it's something that I've been dealing with for like

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.320
<v Speaker 3>the past decade. And I feel like during that phase

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 3>of my life where I was like just setting and

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 3>eating and just partying a lot, I stopped doing all

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 3>the things that used to like bring me peace or

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 3>like ten to my mental health, you know, just small

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 3>things like even waking up and like meditating for five minutes,

0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 3>I was skipping stuff like that, or like you know,

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 3>feeding my cats. You know, I would forget. I would

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 3>forget to get like cat food for my cats, or

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 3>I would be really really anxious all the time. And

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 3>I felt like it also started affecting people around me,

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:22.720
<v Speaker 3>Like I live with my girlfriend, and it started affecting

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 3>her too, because I was just anxious all the time

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:28.319
<v Speaker 3>about missing that next event, or like where I have

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 3>to go, or you know who I have to talk to,

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 3>things like that. So my mental health took a dip.

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So tell me about this this part of your

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 1>message where you're like, I'm my friends turned on me

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 1>once I was no longer valuable to them. Who are

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 1>who were these friends?

0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Right? So to be honest, this is this is part

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 3>of the question, right, is were they ever friends? You know,

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 3>I worked in the industry for a while, and when

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 3>you go off with events and you go off with dinners,

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 3>always with the same other journalists right from other circles,

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:07.799
<v Speaker 3>other publications or there's pr people who work for the

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 3>restaurants or the hotels or whatever, and you know you're

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 3>seeing them a lot, right because you're going to a

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 3>lot of these events and you have this connection with them.

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:21.400
<v Speaker 3>And I I would consider myself like quite an open,

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 3>trusting person, like what you see is kind of what

0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:27.800
<v Speaker 3>you get. And I guess in a way, it's a

0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 3>bit naive to think that other people are always like that.

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 3>So when I'm with these people, I'm quite genuine and

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:37.319
<v Speaker 3>I just be myself and and I feel like, yeah,

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:39.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, we get along. We're good friends. You know,

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 3>they they laugh, we laugh, we talk about things. You know,

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 3>We're not like close friends, but I would consider them friends.

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 1>So how did they sting you differently once you stopped

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:52.320
<v Speaker 1>having this gig?

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:56.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think I just so. I when life

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.320
<v Speaker 3>was overwhelming, I decided to leave and then I joined

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 3>the charity that I knew for a long time. And

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 3>this charity is adjacent to what I used to do

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:07.920
<v Speaker 3>because they also work with a lot of hotels and

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 3>restaurants and they basically help We call them underprivileged and

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 3>disadvantaged youths, but you know, they might be kids like

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 3>orphaned youths or you know, kids with Down syndrome, things

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.000
<v Speaker 3>like that, and we try to find them employment opportunities

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.280
<v Speaker 3>at these restaurants and hotels, you know, simple tasks, things

0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 3>that they feel fulfilled doing but not overwhelmed. And so

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 3>we need to work with a lot of restaurants and

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 3>a lot of hotels, right, And that's when I started

0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 3>reaching back out to these people and saying, hey, you know,

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 3>it's been a while, I'm working with this charity now,

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.799
<v Speaker 3>and like half of them just ghost me to begin with,

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:50.839
<v Speaker 3>like nobody ever replies, They just completely ghost you. And

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 3>then some other people start making like you know, terrible

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 3>excuses up like oh we're just too busy, Oh we

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:58.919
<v Speaker 3>can't do this, we can't do that, and you sort

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 3>of follow up on email with them for like a

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.439
<v Speaker 3>couple of months, and then they just eventually disappear as well.

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 3>And it's just a big contrast, you know, from my

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 3>phone blasted every day from offers of people going hey

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 3>you want to come here, Hey you want to do this,

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 3>Hey you want to do this with us. So like

0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 3>now I'm sort of chasing everyone and going, hey, please,

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, please give us a chance, you know, give

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 3>these kids a chance, and just nobody replying, just everyone

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 3>ghosting me.

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm hmmm. What about like, okay, so you're talking

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 1>about like your relationships in your personal life, correct, like

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 1>how are those going?

0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, starting this job sort of helped with my personal relationships,

0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 3>like what I really consider my friends or or my partner,

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, my girlfriend, Like I've had more time with family,

0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 3>I'd have more time with friends because I don't have

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.120
<v Speaker 3>to go to events anymore. I get to see my

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:06.360
<v Speaker 3>friends more often. So those relationships have strengthened, I feel,

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 3>which is a great thing. But then there's always that

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 3>nudging feeling at the back of like, am I too

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 3>trusting of people? Am I too naive? Did I think

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 3>we were friends and they never considered me a friend before? Yeah?

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 1>But who do care? Who cares about that shit? You know?

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean it, I I like, I don't like, I

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 1>don't care. I don't care about that stuff like that

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 1>when people are like, oh, like, uh, am I too trusting?

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Am I too?

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Just decide how you I kind of do believe in

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:45.320
<v Speaker 1>a sense, and I probably get faultimate. I mean, I

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 1>this it's kind of my whole thing that I take

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone at face value, and I take a lot of

0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the world a face value, and this whole thing of like,

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.880
<v Speaker 1>oh am I being too trusting. It's that's not the

0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:04.919
<v Speaker 1>way to think about it, right, It's like decide how

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:08.799
<v Speaker 1>you want to be and then just be it, right, So, like,

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, do you want do you want to be

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 1>a trusting person? Do you want to take people at

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 1>face value? Okay? Then just do it right, and then

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 1>you do it and then you accept whatever the perceived

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the consequences are of that, which really I mean also

0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:37.360
<v Speaker 1>also kind of decide like how much power are you

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:42.840
<v Speaker 1>giving a person or an entity to hurt you? Really?

0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Like if you whatever, like like who are these like

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 1>what can these people really do to you? I mean,

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 1>think about it from that point of view, right, Like

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:56.359
<v Speaker 1>if you like, let's say you're really nice to some

0:48:56.840 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 1>guy and you think he's your friend and then once

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>you can't get once you can't get him a nice

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:07.320
<v Speaker 1>dinner or whatever the fuck anymore he stops being your friend,

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 1>are you gonna be like, oh, I'm so hurt that

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:15.400
<v Speaker 1>this guy is not my friend anymore, or like like

0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>it's just some guy. What's he gonna do to you?

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I Mean it's different. I like, if you're getting if

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:24.399
<v Speaker 1>you're getting married to someone, or uh, it's going into

0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 1>deep business with someone or something like that, something where

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 1>someone really actually can like fuck you over very badly.

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Then you wanna like kind of vet that shit. But

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:43.840
<v Speaker 1>like ninety nine point of all people and all interactions

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 1>like who gives a fuck?

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:46.759
<v Speaker 2>You know?

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like if like like like you know what I mean,

0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 4>Like like certain like really specific roles in your life

0:49:56.640 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 4>need to be thought through deeply, like am I being true?

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Trusting? Like and even fund dude, fuck even in those roles, right,

0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Like let's say you're dating someone. Fuck even to those roles.

0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 1>It's like, let's say you're dating someone or you're in

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.680
<v Speaker 1>a business own or whatever, and you're like, whatever, I'm

0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:16.040
<v Speaker 1>just gonna decide to trust this person, and then you

0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 1>get fucked over. It's like, well, you know, well you

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:24.400
<v Speaker 1>go to bed at night and you can go, well,

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:29.839
<v Speaker 1>I made the decision to be trusting and to put

0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:33.320
<v Speaker 1>myself out there and whatnot, and I'm okay with that decision,

0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm living in the whatever of that decision. But

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna like I just think it's so I

0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:42.960
<v Speaker 1>don't need to go around being like, oh, is this

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 1>person a snake? Are they gonna It's like who ca,

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:51.040
<v Speaker 1>what's anyone gonna, you know, do like, who who cares?

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I do, I do,

0:50:56.040 --> 0:51:00.360
<v Speaker 3>I do, I I understand, you know. Sort of in

0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 3>a way, it's sort of taking back control right of

0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:08.720
<v Speaker 3>how you feel and not letting people dictate how you feel. Yeah,

0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:12.600
<v Speaker 3>I feel like this is something as as someone who

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 3>has borderline that I always struggled with growing up, Like

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:23.800
<v Speaker 3>I always take things very personally, and so if anyone

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:26.720
<v Speaker 3>ever has it doesn't even have to be a bad reaction.

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.320
<v Speaker 3>It can just be a very neutral reaction to something

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:31.759
<v Speaker 3>I do. It would sort of be the end of

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:34.280
<v Speaker 3>the world for me, Like I would care a lot

0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:37.640
<v Speaker 3>about how other people reacted to me and how other

0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:41.440
<v Speaker 3>people saw me, and if I could share a little story. Actually,

0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:44.040
<v Speaker 3>a while ago, I was listening to your podcast. So

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:47.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I'm quite a tattooed dude. I've got like

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 3>I would say, like half my body's covered. And I

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 3>listened to you one of your podcasts a while back,

0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:57.759
<v Speaker 3>and there was this guy talking about, you know, just

0:51:57.840 --> 0:51:59.920
<v Speaker 3>caring a lot about what other people thought, and then

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.600
<v Speaker 3>you told him and this was I think when you

0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:05.440
<v Speaker 3>were still doing live streams a lot and you know,

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:09.920
<v Speaker 3>you always used to say, like, don't look at the chat. Yeah,

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:12.359
<v Speaker 3>and then that time you told him like, don't look

0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:14.360
<v Speaker 3>at the chat, but like the chat is sort of

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:18.880
<v Speaker 3>like the world, not the actual literal stream chat. And

0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:21.000
<v Speaker 3>then that sort of really resonated with me. And then

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:22.640
<v Speaker 3>I got a tattoo of that. So now I have

0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 3>a tattoo look at the.

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Chat, get the fuck out of here. You have a

0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 1>tattoo that says don't look at the chat that you

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:33.759
<v Speaker 1>got from the podcast.

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't.

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Get the fuck out of here, no way.

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And every time I sort of start spiraling into like,

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:49.520
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, what do people think of me? You know,

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:51.799
<v Speaker 3>why don't they reply me? Why don't I look at that?

0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:54.839
<v Speaker 3>And I go, you know, remind myself, don't look at

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 3>the chat. Don't look look at yourself.

0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:59.799
<v Speaker 1>Don't look at the chat. I love it. I love it.

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Wow. I can't believe we got a

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:04.839
<v Speaker 1>tattoo that yeah. Oh my god, Wow, that's so far.

0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:07.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a real kick out of this. Oh my god,

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 1>don't look.

0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:08.560
<v Speaker 3>At the chat.

0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:10.840
<v Speaker 1>No And by the way, yeah, don't look at the chat, like,

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:15.520
<v Speaker 1>but I do. I do. I do genuinely believe fuck

0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:19.280
<v Speaker 1>especially as I'm getting like fucking especially as I'm getting

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:24.320
<v Speaker 1>like older, and I'm like like, as I'm getting older

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and as like there's less time, and as there's less energy,

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and as there's like more things I want to do,

0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like and also as like there's less time

0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and there's more noise, Like we live in a world

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:42.840
<v Speaker 1>where there's never been more like there's all there's so

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:47.520
<v Speaker 1>many things that decide to care about. I think you

0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:53.360
<v Speaker 1>just really I think like you really gotta whittle down

0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the things and the people whose opinion you care about,

0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Like you should like absolutly like if you if you

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:03.520
<v Speaker 1>don't care about anyone or anything, like your life is

0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:08.560
<v Speaker 1>going to be an existential nightmare. But you totally should

0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:12.480
<v Speaker 1>like be very intentional about like the things and the

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>people that you care about. I mean, I have it

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.759
<v Speaker 1>down in my head. I in my I've like I've

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 1>like sat down on like my notes app and been

0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:25.759
<v Speaker 1>like I care about these people's opinion of me. I

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.840
<v Speaker 1>care about like in like my personal life and like

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 1>my business relationships in my fucking like like like the

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:36.759
<v Speaker 1>art universe, like the things I want to do. I'm like,

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I like writing I literally have like written down, like

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:43.560
<v Speaker 1>what do I actually give a fuck about? And then

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:46.799
<v Speaker 1>you realize, like when when you actually write, like when

0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.120
<v Speaker 1>you like what do you actually like? What's actually worth

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:51.839
<v Speaker 1>giving a fuck about? And then you look at the

0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 1>universe and all and all of the infinite things and

0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:58.840
<v Speaker 1>people in the universe that are begging for you to

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:03.719
<v Speaker 1>care about them. It's too much like the you know

0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.680
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, It's just it's too much, and you

0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:12.359
<v Speaker 1>will get swept you will get swept away by it.

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:14.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like you have to think about like friends that

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:18.400
<v Speaker 1>you just like don't have, Like everything's a fucking trade

0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:21.480
<v Speaker 1>off you have to think about like fuck, I don't

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:24.480
<v Speaker 1>have time to like stew over, like but this fucking

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:28.320
<v Speaker 1>person thinks about me, or like go have like I

0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:33.320
<v Speaker 1>don't have lunch with this fucking person because like whatever,

0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it makes life way better. I mean, don't you don't

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:37.719
<v Speaker 1>want to be one of those people. It's like I

0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:39.279
<v Speaker 1>don't care. I literally don't give a funk about anyone

0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 1>or anything because that's just a question, right, It's not good.

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.520
<v Speaker 1>But you want to have like select, yeah, you want

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 1>to have like select few people that you're like I

0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:51.520
<v Speaker 1>really care what this person thinks about me because I

0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:54.880
<v Speaker 1>love them, and like if this person, like if this person,

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:57.160
<v Speaker 1>like we all have, like you ever have like a friend,

0:55:57.480 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 1>like in Hong Kong, you have a friend come to

0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:02.440
<v Speaker 1>town and they're like, we should get lunch. You have

0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:04.360
<v Speaker 1>to really and it's like this could take up my

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:07.400
<v Speaker 1>whole life to go across town of lunch with you.

0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do that, you know. Now I

0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:13.520
<v Speaker 1>have people who if they come to town, I'm like, of course,

0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:16.919
<v Speaker 1>I will make time out of my existence. It's because

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I love that, because I really love that person. But

0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:22.520
<v Speaker 1>like I don't want to just say yes to like

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:25.719
<v Speaker 1>everything and everyone because I just because you just can

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:29.240
<v Speaker 1>or like on the TV when they're like this person

0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:33.280
<v Speaker 1>said this or this thing happened or like or reddits

0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:35.800
<v Speaker 1>or whatever like so it just fucking so many fucking

0:56:35.840 --> 0:56:39.200
<v Speaker 1>things that fucking people just fucking trying to get you

0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:42.799
<v Speaker 1>your attention away from like the things that you have

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:46.560
<v Speaker 1>decided that matter all the time. And it's exhausting and

0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you really have to be like deeply defensive about it.

0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:55.680
<v Speaker 1>You like addictions to you know, fucking yeah, I mean

0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.840
<v Speaker 1>candy takes dude, Candy takes up a lot of my

0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 1>time to Candy took up like my whole morning. It's crazy.

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:11.080
<v Speaker 3>I think that's really true. Like also sort of deciding

0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:14.840
<v Speaker 3>what and who matters to you in what way. I

0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 3>think another trait that I sort of have with borderline

0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 3>that I talked about a bit late just now is

0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:24.160
<v Speaker 3>sort of it's quite sort of black and white. You know.

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:27.640
<v Speaker 3>I either say, like if we work together and we

0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:31.120
<v Speaker 3>get along, I'm like, you're my friend, you know, but

0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 3>like it's a working relationship, right, it's not like they're

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:39.320
<v Speaker 3>really friends me. But in my mind we're like, oh,

0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:41.480
<v Speaker 3>we're besties with friends.

0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but why does okay? But okay, And another thing,

0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and this is all in a similar subject with like again,

0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:54.280
<v Speaker 1>like with relationships, Like like I like having a lot

0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:57.640
<v Speaker 1>of acquaintances. You know, it's okay to have a quations,

0:57:57.680 --> 0:57:59.680
<v Speaker 1>It's okay to have like work for like, it's okay

0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:05.200
<v Speaker 1>to have have you know, your your relationships kind of

0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 1>teared out in a sense, you know, like it's and

0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and by the way, listen, listen. Let's say you have

0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a work friend and you really like them and you

0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:21.640
<v Speaker 1>want to be more than just what they have to give.

0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:27.880
<v Speaker 1>That's okay, you know, like but just just find enjoyment

0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:31.520
<v Speaker 1>in your own side of it. If you start needing

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.880
<v Speaker 1>to have the enjoyment being like what is coming back

0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:35.800
<v Speaker 1>at you, you just get fucked.

0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:39.320
<v Speaker 3>That's where he's zen.

0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm trying to live it.

0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:46.680
<v Speaker 3>But are you getting a lot of zen in Japan?

0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Am I getting a lot of zen in Japan?

0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:58:53.800 --> 0:59:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Not really? I don't feel I don't no, not really, no, no,

0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:08.080
<v Speaker 1>not at all. Yeah, I don't think that like, uh zen,

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean I find I don't like. Finding zen is

0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:16.120
<v Speaker 1>not about like going to some fucking temple, you know

0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:21.000
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's about like finding a flow of

0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:24.440
<v Speaker 1>It's like finding a flow and frequency of your life

0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:25.400
<v Speaker 1>that works for you.

0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:32.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I feel like sort of what you said

0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:35.919
<v Speaker 3>about all these external things that bomb bard you every day,

0:59:36.040 --> 0:59:41.880
<v Speaker 3>and then we kind of developed this idea that I

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:46.040
<v Speaker 3>will be happier if I fix everything outside or everything external,

0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:52.120
<v Speaker 3>but maybe in reality it's you know, inward maybe.

0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:55.360
<v Speaker 1>No, I disagree with that. I actually think I totally

0:59:55.720 --> 1:00:00.439
<v Speaker 1>I think that I used to. I use it. It's

1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:04.400
<v Speaker 1>total cope. It's like it's it's a stow no, no, it's

1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:12.400
<v Speaker 1>stoic cope to believe that I by the way, I've

1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:14.360
<v Speaker 1>this is just how I feel today. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't I'm not gonna record this and put it on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet, but I actually totally am because we get

1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:25.640
<v Speaker 1>into a podcast today. But I've I've talked about this

1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:27.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot on the show, and I've just like think

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<v Speaker 1>about it in my life, like the concept of like

1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:34.200
<v Speaker 1>to what degree I'd love to submit myself to the

1:00:34.240 --> 1:00:41.000
<v Speaker 1>stoic belief that like everything is internal, But I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that's a full truth because I do think

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<v Speaker 1>so much of one of of internal peace is based

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<v Speaker 1>off external reality, and I think it's a I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a disservice to say that you can just like

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<v Speaker 1>at least me, at least me. I can't just go

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<v Speaker 1>into my brain and be like this is all in

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<v Speaker 1>my head, Like I can't just do that. Like I need,

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<v Speaker 1>like I just need stuff, Like I need like a

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<v Speaker 1>clean room that's like my own. I need like to

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<v Speaker 1>have like certain certain like things going on in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I need my life to like feel a certain way

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<v Speaker 1>day to day and like my my external habits to

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<v Speaker 1>have like like I like, I like I need there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much I need reflected in my external reality to

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<v Speaker 1>feel regulated and like normal, and I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 1>uh crazy. Necessarily get a lot of and I get

1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:51.240
<v Speaker 1>I get a lot of motivation, like waking up in

1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the morning trying really hard to uh get my external

1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:07.640
<v Speaker 1>reality to a place like that where I'm enjoying the

1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:13.000
<v Speaker 1>frequency of it. But I don't. I less and less

1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:17.480
<v Speaker 1>believe in this like stoic ideal that like you can

1:02:17.640 --> 1:02:21.720
<v Speaker 1>just be chill in your own brain. I mean, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's just me. Everyone's wired differently, right, so there's some

1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:29.120
<v Speaker 1>people some people can just do that. And uh also

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<v Speaker 1>also I'm not like like I like, there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about myself and about like neurochemistry or whatever,

1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:44.240
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, I don't know, maybe in like twenty years,

1:02:44.280 --> 1:02:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll realize I was doing everything wrong. And I also

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<v Speaker 1>I do so much wrong already where.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like but I think that's what makes your podcast

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<v Speaker 3>so interesting because I've listened to you since like pandemic times,

1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:02.720
<v Speaker 3>and like you, you also evolve and you also develop

1:03:02.800 --> 1:03:06.560
<v Speaker 3>your beliefs. You know, it's a journey for you. It's

1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:09.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's not like you just have a set

1:03:09.480 --> 1:03:11.440
<v Speaker 3>of beliefs and everyone calls in and you're like, no,

1:03:11.560 --> 1:03:13.640
<v Speaker 3>do this, do this, do this, And it was quite

1:03:13.720 --> 1:03:18.480
<v Speaker 3>interesting to see your journey to finding sort of your

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<v Speaker 3>truth over the years and growing with the audience. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that was quite interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well thanks man. Yeah, I mean, I'm it's still like

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<v Speaker 1>it's all it's progressing. I keep I mean I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to about it with another caller where I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I still and I and I do. I do believe

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<v Speaker 1>this in the in the true in like the whole

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, is happiness found externally or internally thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I do believe that, Like I can I can think about,

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<v Speaker 1>like I can map out my life and all the

1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:56.520
<v Speaker 1>different things that were going on externally in my universe

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<v Speaker 1>at different times in my life, and like it was

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<v Speaker 1>just it would just be ignorant to say that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't affect you, you know, like and like it would

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<v Speaker 1>be yeah, would just be ignorant to say that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have an effect. But it's a yin yang. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like the yin yang thing of like, yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>you can't go the entire like you you can't just

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<v Speaker 1>like retreat into stoicism and have everything be internal and

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<v Speaker 1>pretend like external world doesn't affect you. But you also

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<v Speaker 1>can't have everything be external, right, I mean, like like

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<v Speaker 1>I'll like work for an example, Right, Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of like people get hung up on, like

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the social media world, like success based on

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<v Speaker 1>numbers and all these things. And I do have a

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<v Speaker 1>thing where I'm kind of trying to make more of

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<v Speaker 1>my happiness about my input into the world and less

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<v Speaker 1>about like the outcome of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So like.

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<v Speaker 1>So like I you know, like I'm making these documentaries

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<v Speaker 1>and like, of course, like I'm working really hard on them.

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<v Speaker 1>And because I'm working really hard on them, I want

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<v Speaker 1>them to get views. I want people to see them,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it's just a natural thing if you

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<v Speaker 1>work really hard on something, you care about it, you

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<v Speaker 1>want people to see it. But I'm also trying not

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<v Speaker 1>to be too married to this idea that like my

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<v Speaker 1>health and existence as a person is like based on

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<v Speaker 1>the the outcome of these videos. But I get and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to be like, okay, like what's a thing,

1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Like what's that? What's that? What's a mode of life?

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<v Speaker 1>What's like a thing where like I'm in the most

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<v Speaker 1>amount of control as possible, meaning like for these videos, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's like, Okay, would I be happy if

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<v Speaker 1>over the next ten years I was able to just

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<v Speaker 1>keep making Like if over the next ten years, I

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<v Speaker 1>just keep making these videos and they and nothing ever

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<v Speaker 1>like pops off again, and all I really got was

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<v Speaker 1>like to have made the video, I'd be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's a good trade off. I get to

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<v Speaker 1>make a lot of you know, stuff that I'm proud of,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think about that. I try to apply that

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of stuff where it's like, Okay, what

1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:54.600
<v Speaker 1>processes would I be happy to just do because of

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<v Speaker 1>the process of them, and because I enjoy it? Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>I want like I obviously like I if I if

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<v Speaker 1>I work really hard on something and then it it

1:07:05.000 --> 1:07:08.360
<v Speaker 1>you put it out there and it's not received, well

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<v Speaker 1>it's it is a bummer, but it's not enough of

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<v Speaker 1>a bummer that I'm going to be like, oh, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a waste of time. Why did I do that?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it'll it I'll still be able to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the work and be like, oh, I'm proud of

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<v Speaker 1>having done this, whether or not the you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>external awards come. But that's how you have to do

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<v Speaker 1>it right, because it to get those external rewards. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to require years and years and years of you

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<v Speaker 1>just like kind of being only focused on your input,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you have to find a frequency of input

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<v Speaker 1>that you are actually happy existing in or else you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna burn out. You're not gonna fucking do anything.

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<v Speaker 3>That's very true. That's very true.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Jeff, I don't know if any of what I

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<v Speaker 1>think I spent on a rant.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but it's it's it's like a rant of of substance.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying, but I haven't figured it out yet.

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<v Speaker 3>But Jeff, yes, is.

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<v Speaker 1>There anything else you want to say to the people

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<v Speaker 1>of the computer before we go?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't look at the chat.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't look at the chat. I can't believe you got

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<v Speaker 1>that tattooed on your hand. That's also that's another Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's another thing in life where it's like the chat's

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<v Speaker 1>so big. It's there's so many people in the fucking chat,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, who do I? I guess stop reading

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<v Speaker 1>the Spotify comments. I'll really I'll watch other'll you know,

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<v Speaker 1>actually has made me feel better. I'll listen to other

1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:04.160
<v Speaker 1>podcast I listened to other podcasts, and then I'll like

1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:08.160
<v Speaker 1>enjoy the podcast and then I'll read the Spotify comments

1:09:08.160 --> 1:09:11.559
<v Speaker 1>on that podcast and there'll be a bunch of comments

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<v Speaker 1>being like, you know, like critical, and I'm like, oh, well,

1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed it, and it's like maybe something with my brain.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm crazy whatever, Jeff, is there anything

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<v Speaker 1>else you want to say to the people of the

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<v Speaker 1>computer before.

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<v Speaker 3>We go, Well, I've said the thing, so Gek, you

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<v Speaker 3>should come to Hong Kong. We love you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'll make it over there at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>Please do please do that swag.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, I did I ask you that question twice?

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<v Speaker 3>You did? Yeah. My first answer was don't look at

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<v Speaker 3>the chat, and then we did a second take where

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<v Speaker 3>I said, come to Hong Kong.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta see a doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, it's jet lag. Take it easy, Yes, you too,

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<v Speaker 3>Love you, Gek.

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<v Speaker 1>My name Jeff.

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<v Speaker 4>Never goes on the line taking your phone calls every night.

1:10:07.720 --> 1:10:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Never bet goes doing to ride.

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<v Speaker 4>He's teaching you how to live your life, but he's

1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:15.120
<v Speaker 4>not really an expert.