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Welcome to the Bloomberg 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: This Weekend Podcast with David Gura, Christina Raffini and Lisa Matteo. 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us for today's selection of conversations from 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: the show. 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 3: You can listen to our favorite discussions right here on 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 3: the podcast, but also make sure to join us live 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: every Saturday and Sunday morning, starting at seven am Easter. 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 4: We're on Bloomberg Television, Radio and the Bloomberg Business App, 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 4: bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 4: lifestyle and culture. 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: All right you this morning, Defense Hector repeat. Hegseth says 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: the US is ready to restart strikes in Iran if 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: there's no deal between the two countries. And a speech 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: in Singapore, Hegseth also took some swipes. 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 5: At NATO allies. 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: Speaking at the Shangri La Dialogue, he talked about the 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: Middle East US partnerships and China's military expansion. 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 6: There is right full alarm regarding China's historic military build 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 6: up and the expansion of its military activities in the 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 6: region and beyond. We share a clear eyed assessment of 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 6: that security environment and a mutual understanding that a Pacific 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 6: dominated by any hedgemon would unravel the regional balance of 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 6: power and undermine the equilibrium we all seek to preserve. 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 6: The Department of War is working with the utmost focus 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 6: to prevent any such unraveling. We do not approach this 26 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 6: challenge with needless confrontation, but with a posture of measured 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 6: and deliberate strength. 28 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 3: On the sidelines of that important security and Defense summit 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: is our colleague ha Hislinda Ahman, who is a Bloomberg 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: editor at large in the host of Insight with Islam 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: to Ahmen on Bloomberg Intelligion, islainda always great to speak 32 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: with you, and I wonder if you could set the 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: scene for us first, maybe pick up on what the 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: Defense Secretary said there and how that's coloring the proceedings 35 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: that are taking place in Singapore this weekend. 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 7: Well, you heard from Hexath himself. I mean it is 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 7: a balancing act. The tone that Hexath adopted this time 38 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 7: round reflects a relationship with China which is still being redefined. 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 7: He talked about how relations are constructive, that China is 40 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 7: possibly a partner, and that communications within the two sides 41 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,279 Speaker 7: are open. In fact, the two militaries are in communication. 42 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 7: And that is what is interesting here, David, when you 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 7: speak to experts a point to how relations within the 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 7: two till now have been lacking in communication, and that's 45 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 7: led to some big misunderstandings prompting to that relationship being 46 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 7: on the brink at some point. Case in point, back 47 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 7: in October when the US imposed heightened terrors and that 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 7: prompted China to retaliate by withholding critical minerals to the US, 49 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 7: bringing the US. 50 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 4: Economy to its knees. 51 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 7: Now, that's because of a lack of communication, and I 52 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 7: think the US and China trying to rectify that. If 53 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 7: you take a look at what happened in Beijing just 54 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 7: two weeks ago. We had President Trump before leaving Beijing 55 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 7: after that semment telling Hitchinping, you know what, call me 56 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 7: maybe if there are issues, but into two sites. It 57 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 7: is an attempt to redefine that relationship and communications are 58 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 7: pretty much key. 59 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 5: And you know what, It is interesting to note as 60 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 5: well that. 61 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 7: The Pew Research recently stated what the Americans themselves think 62 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 7: about China. They no longer think of China as an enemy, 63 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 7: as a foe. They see China as a rival. They 64 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 7: can coexists and perhaps this is that defining moment, Hasna. 65 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: It's so nice to finally get to talk to you. 66 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: This is the first time I've gotten the opportunity since 67 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 2: joining the team here. But I do want to ask 68 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: you a little bit more about Hegseth before we kind 69 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: of broaden out a little bit, because in this Q 70 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: and A, he was also asked about future arm sales 71 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: to Taiwan and if he was able to do that, 72 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: been reporting that those stockpiles are low and that so 73 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: there's two ways to look at this. It's either being 74 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: used as a bargaining ship, as the President said, or 75 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: it's going put on hold because those stockpiles are low 76 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: and the US will need them. What was his response 77 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: and how is that playing out of the forum. 78 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 7: First of all, I want to say that Taiwan is 79 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 7: the red line in relations between the US and China. Taiwan, 80 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 7: that China China has war on time and time again, 81 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 7: that if it is mismanaged, that could be severe consequences. 82 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 7: So Taiwan really is the red line. The fact that 83 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 7: heccess speech did not mention Taiwan at all, that is 84 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 7: a big deal because if you recall back in his 85 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 7: speech a year ago. This time last year in Shanghai, 86 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 7: he talked about Taiwan. He mentioned Taiwan five times. This 87 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 7: time around, no mention of Taiwan, even though Taiwan is 88 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 7: the key issue for the world today. It was only 89 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 7: during the Q and E when he was asked about 90 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 7: the deal, that arms deal, which you know China took 91 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 7: issue with that. He said, you know what President Trump 92 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 7: will decide on that. That in itself is a reflection 93 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 7: how sensitive he is to the topic of Taiwan. So 94 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 7: I think the fact that he refused to answer that 95 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 7: question says everything. 96 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: You, of course are watching all of the proceedings, you 97 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: are participating them as well. You're doing interviews on the 98 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: sidelines here, and you spoke to NATO's military chief a 99 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: little bit earlier today, and yes, the focus is very 100 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: much on the Indo Pacific, but also in Europe. There 101 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: are a lot of European security and defense officials there 102 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: as well. And you asked him about the relationship between 103 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: the US and NATO. Let's take a little bit of 104 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: a listen to the colloquy that you had with the 105 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: NATO military chief. 106 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 7: In the speech by Pete Taxis, the Secretary of war 107 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 7: of the US. He talked about how they are great 108 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 7: benefits for allies that help themselves. It seems to be 109 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 7: a dig for Europe and NATO. How do you assess 110 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 7: what's been relayed by Pete Taxith. 111 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 8: Well, this is nothing new. We had the message a 112 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 8: lot and clear a long time ago that we react 113 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 8: we I mean, we had a commitment, a strong commitment 114 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 8: in the Hague to reach the five percent by twenty 115 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 8: thirty five. We are on that path. We are progreeding 116 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 8: on that. We are just doing it. We have a 117 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 8: natal defense planning process to give us the capability that 118 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 8: we need and we will acquire that in time. So 119 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 8: I think we are in a good in a good shape. 120 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 8: And of course we as a military side, we don't 121 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 8: have any drama going. 122 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: On Bikabo Dragon there Hustlin to put that into a 123 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: broader context. Again, the focus here among those allies still 124 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 3: very much on President Trump's call for these European nations 125 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: to contribute more larger percentage of their GDP to defense. 126 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: How much is that being talked about in this forum 127 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 3: thus far? 128 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 7: You know what, the NATO military chief was pretty plain 129 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 7: and clear. He talked about how they are listening to 130 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 7: the US. They are bringing that defense spending up to 131 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 7: five percent. It won't happen overnight, will take time, but 132 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 7: they are getting there. They have listened and they know 133 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 7: that commitment. I think that's one. The other thing he 134 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 7: talked about was how relationship, the relationship in the US 135 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 7: and NATO is mature, is stable, and it will go 136 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 7: through all these challenges and it is adapting to the 137 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 7: current challenges and the current time. 138 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 5: And I think that's key. 139 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 7: I think you need to draw that comparison with the 140 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,119 Speaker 7: relationship that the US has with this part of the world, 141 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 7: the Indo Pacific, which is very much reliant on the 142 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 7: US for I guess in a way for lack of 143 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 7: better expression protection. I mean, with the China's build up 144 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 7: in this part of the world. You know, it is 145 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 7: only a US led alliance, a US led response that 146 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 7: can counter the defense. But in any case, I think 147 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 7: the point to note really is the US can't do 148 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 7: anything alone. It requires NATO in Europe, it requires, you know, 149 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 7: the partners in this part of the world to actually 150 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 7: counter that build up that we see from China right now. 151 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: Certainly an argument NATO allies that making pretty strongly to 152 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: the White House husan quickly before we let you go, 153 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: there's news that The New York Times has kicked out 154 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, excuse me, China has kicked out the New 155 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: York Times. Long long standing, very accomplished China reporter Vivian 156 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: Wang after that outlet did an interview with a separate 157 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: reporter with the President of Taiwan. 158 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 5: Historically, China has been. 159 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: Pretty tolerant of Taiwanese officials doing media outlet interviews, especially 160 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: with American outlets. Does this market change? Is China cracking down? 161 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: And is it concerning that this is coming on the 162 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: heels of that Trump She summit. 163 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 7: Well, it's really hot to say what really is happening, 164 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 7: because it's hot to say what US policy is to 165 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 7: what's Taiwan. Right now, I think there's a reassessment of 166 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 7: how the US views Taiwan. Some people view that under 167 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 7: this current administration, the Taiwan issue is no longer a 168 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 7: key issue in America's policy towards China. There are are 169 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 7: the bigger issues that it needs to handle. So it's 170 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 7: really hard to say whether the crackdown is continuing and 171 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 7: how the wall should be responding. I think there's a 172 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 7: lack of clarity, and we just have to wait and 173 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 7: see what the actual policy is to What'saiwan. 174 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: Haslan, I mean, Bloomberg Editor at Large in Singapore, thank 175 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us today. 176 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 9: Appreciate it well. 177 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: Defense Sectory Pete Hegseth was also asked about Iran after 178 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: President Trump ended that two hour meeting in the Situation 179 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: Room on Friday without announcing a final determination on a deal. 180 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 6: As we mentioned, and I had a chance to talk 181 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 6: to President Trump this morning. He wanted me to reiterate 182 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 6: how patient he is and ensuring that with America undertaking 183 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 6: this kind of historic endeavor, any deal will be a 184 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 6: good one, a great one, and he's patient in the 185 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 6: pursuit of that because of how the implications of how 186 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 6: that sorts out, and certainly our department. We were in 187 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 6: a cabinet meeting just a couple of days ago, and 188 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 6: the President said, hey, it will be a great deal. 189 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 6: And if Iran doesn't want to make a great deal 190 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 6: that ensures they don't get a nuclear weapon, they can 191 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 6: deal with the guy on my left. And that was 192 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 6: the only time I've ever been accused of being on 193 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 6: the left. And he was pointed at the War Department, 194 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 6: and we're serious about that. Our ability to recommence, if 195 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 6: necessary is we are more than capable. Our stockpiles are 196 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 6: more than suited for that, both there and around the 197 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,599 Speaker 6: globe because of how we balance exquisite and more plentiful munitions. 198 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: Overnight, the White House issued a statement that read's President 199 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: Trump will only make a deal that is good for 200 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: America and satisfies his red lines. Aron can never possess 201 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. Joining us now is Laura Davidson. She 202 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: is Bloomberg's deputy Washington and Puia chief Lord. 203 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for joining us. First of all, 204 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 5: it's a little. 205 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: Bit of deja vous all over again. I feel like 206 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: we had this exact same talk last weekend, but you 207 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: weren't here. So let's get your take on all this. 208 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: It was very interesting yesterday you had this pronouncement from 209 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: the President, as we referace the top of the show, 210 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: going in huddling in the situation, gonna make this decision. 211 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: And now, crickets, do we have any idea where this 212 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: stands or what the hold up was? 213 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 5: We don't. 214 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 10: He went into the situation room for this two hour meeting, 215 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 10: He yet again set a deadline for himself, saying that 216 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 10: he would make a decision by the time he was 217 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 10: coming out of this meeting. And there has been no 218 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 10: response from the White House other than to say that, 219 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 10: you know, the meeting happened, it concluded, and that essentially 220 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 10: that the President's red lines, which are the opening of 221 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 10: the straight of horror moves Aron agreeing to give up 222 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 10: its nuclear program as well as it's enrich uranium stockpile. 223 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 10: Those red lines have not yet been satisfied. So this 224 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 10: continues to be, you know, quite quite a pickle for 225 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 10: the president. You know, we've seen Trump, uh, you know, 226 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 10: kind of time and time again try to get this 227 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 10: deal to come together. But markets and investors and and 228 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 10: kind of the world has sort of been bracing for 229 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 10: some sort of response. But it started to take some 230 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 10: of these pronouncements with a grain of salt because we've 231 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 10: seen him now, you know, for weeks, if not months, 232 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 10: you know, sort of set up a deadline that he 233 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 10: then completely blows past. And and so you know, he 234 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 10: was even interesting just on the terminal yesterday and seeing 235 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 10: what readers were reading, and there was an interesting every 236 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 10: true social post you put out. People were gleaning to 237 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 10: see if there's any any information, But instead he was 238 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 10: talking about the Kennedy Center or putting out memes, not 239 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 10: about the one thing that it really has the world captivated, Iran. 240 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you lastly here just about what 241 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: we've heard from other administration officials. So I guess that 242 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: is what's different this time. We've heard from the Vice president. 243 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: These negotiations have been ongoing, heard from Treasury Sectory Scott Besson, 244 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: who's at the Reagan Forum yesterday, a lot of detail 245 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: about the efficacy of the sanctions policies that have been put. 246 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 9: In place on Iran. 247 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: What did he have to say, Bessing in particular, just 248 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: about the strength of the vice that the US has 249 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: put on Iran as this conflict is continued. 250 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 10: Yeah, Besson's comments came after sort of the latest round 251 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 10: of sanctions, and he said there were more to come, 252 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 10: potentially on airlines. He also mentioned that there was a 253 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 10: you know, a billion dollars of Irani and crypto that 254 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 10: had been seized, that US cyber forces had been able 255 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 10: to basically go seize that money straight out of the 256 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 10: wallets themselves, putting additional sure on the Iranian government's finances. 257 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 10: But the important thing to remember here is that the 258 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 10: Iranian public and the Iranian government's threshold for pain is 259 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 10: a lot higher than where the American populaces might be. 260 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 10: If this is you know, their country. Of course, it's 261 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 10: an authoritarian country. We don't have a great sense of 262 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 10: what's going on inside, you know, the borders of Iran. 263 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 10: Internet has been shut down for the better part of 264 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 10: three months now, and there's but even with you know, 265 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 10: hunger levels rising, with you know, kind of an economic 266 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 10: crisis that could potentially be brewing, there's an asymmetrical you know, 267 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 10: sort of balance here on you know what what they 268 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 10: might be able to withstand. You know, Trump has sort 269 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 10: of you know, pivoted to making this point that you know, 270 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 10: he's patient, he's willing to make a deal, you know, 271 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 10: but he doesn't want to, you know, rush to the 272 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 10: finish line if he doesn't think that the US is 273 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 10: getting a good deal. But you know, he's facing a 274 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 10: much different set of circumstances when it comes to rising 275 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 10: gas crisis and economics here. 276 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: Laura, I'm so sorry we're gonna have to leave it there, 277 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: but thank you so much for joining us. It's always 278 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 2: nice to see. I'm glad you're back in daycy. 279 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 3: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right 280 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: after this, all right, the. 281 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: Global health community is trying to contain a fast moving 282 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: abul outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo. 283 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, new questions are emerging about global preparedness as the 284 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: US begins to screen passengers for signs of infection and 285 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: Kenya temporarily blocks plans for a quarantine facility. Who would 286 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: be backed and run by the US. Showing us now 287 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: is doctor Tom Frieden. He's the former director of the 288 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and now the president 289 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: and CEO of. 290 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 9: The organization Resolve to Save Lives. Doctor freedin great to 291 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 9: have you with us. 292 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 3: I confess the reason that I wanted to have you 293 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 3: on as we were speaking with Jeremy Connandyke last week 294 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: about this outbreak as it unfolded, and he said, back 295 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: when he was running point for USAID in twenty fourteen, 296 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, this was your full time job that you 297 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: was the head of the CDC had a complete focus 298 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: on the Abola outbreak. I'm curious, as you look at 299 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: the response thus far, if you have confidence that somebody 300 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: within this administration is doing us just that, paying as 301 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: much attention to this outbreak and focusing on containing it. 302 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 11: Well, I'm not directly involved, so I can only comment 303 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 11: as an outsider. I do see the US providing some 304 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 11: financial assistance, and I do see the many many scientists, doctors, nurses, 305 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 11: lab experts at CDC very dedicated to trying to stop things. 306 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 11: But it is a world of difference, and I think 307 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 11: first we have to start with what the context is. 308 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 11: This is going to be really hard to control. Just 309 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 11: to give you a flavor of that, By the time 310 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 11: we started responding in twenty fourteen, there were between forty 311 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 11: and fifty cases. By the time the world started responding 312 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 11: this year, there are between four hundred and five hundred cases. 313 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 5: And why is that? 314 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: Is that partially because the reporting structure was reliant on 315 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: things like USAID. 316 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 5: They're just no longer there, you know, to. 317 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 11: Be blunt, I think that's what some people are saying. 318 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 11: I think that's a knee jerk response. It may or 319 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 11: may not be correct. I don't know that. There are 320 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 11: plenty of reasons to explain a delayed detection without that, 321 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 11: and there'll be plenty of time to assess whether or 322 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 11: not that contributed. 323 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 12: The point right now. 324 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 11: Is we need an emergent, immediate, meticulous response just so quickly. 325 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 11: I can't express just how important it is to work 326 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 11: with urgency. And the reason for that is with Ebola, 327 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 11: what we figured out in West Africa, and I went 328 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 11: there multiple times and worked with the teams. 329 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 12: We had fantastic staff. 330 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 11: You know when I ran CDC, all one hundred and 331 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 11: fifty eight disease detectives went to Ebola. We had went 332 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 11: to respond to the Ebola outbreak. At some point we 333 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 11: had close to four thousand people working. Within days, we 334 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 11: had put fifty people in the field in the three 335 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 11: countries on average, two hundred people a day in the field, 336 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 11: four hundred working at CDC for years. 337 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 12: Of this outbreak. 338 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 11: But what we found early on was that if you 339 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 11: get there in days, you can stop it in weeks. 340 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 12: If it takes weeks to. 341 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 11: Get there, it's going to go on for months, and 342 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 11: if it takes months, it may go on for years. 343 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 11: So we really need to surge in support, understanding that 344 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 11: ninety percent of the response will be local doctors, nurses, 345 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 11: community leaders. But still they need funds, they need logistics, 346 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 11: and they need some partnership on some of the more 347 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 11: specialized elements of care and disease detection and control. 348 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 9: Walk us through what you make of the plan that 349 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 9: was floated. 350 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: I guess it's been struck down by a Kenyan court 351 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: here to have a quarantine facility in Kenya for those 352 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: from the US who have been exposed to a bowl 353 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 3: of What. 354 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 9: Do you make of that? 355 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: I know that some pushback against this that I've seen 356 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: is that if you have been exposed, there's no way 357 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: for you to get back to the US to get 358 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: treatment here. What do you make of the plan that 359 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: has been floated there by the US government? 360 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 11: Yea, I don't know the details of it, but fundamentally, 361 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 11: if we're talking about people who are going over to 362 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 11: fight the epidemic, that's kind of equivalent to our warfighters 363 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 11: who we send into danger areas, and if they get hurt, 364 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 11: we expect to bring them back this country and treat 365 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 11: them as they're returning heroes they are, not to put 366 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 11: them in some slap together facility somewhere. The other thing 367 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 11: to say is it really is important that people get 368 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 11: good quality care as quickly as possible if they've become ill, 369 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 11: Even though there's no proven treatment for this particular strain 370 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 11: of ebola. Supportive care makes a really big difference. It 371 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 11: can make the difference between life and death. We stop 372 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 11: the twenty fourteen twenty sixteen epidemic without a significant contribution 373 00:18:54,800 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 11: from vaccination or treatment. So it's possible to do with 374 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 11: the core public health activities of isolating patients, providing safe 375 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 11: and dignified burial, contact tracing, and then quarantine and care 376 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 11: for contacts who become ill. 377 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: Given where this outbreak is right now, Sexuary Saint Marco 378 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: Rubio has said, quote, we cannot and will not allow 379 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: any cases of ebola to enter the United States. Do 380 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: you think that's a reasonable goal and was that the 381 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 2: goal in the past for these kinds of epidemics. 382 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 12: Well, it's certainly a goal. 383 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 11: How realistic it is if this spreads widely in Africa 384 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 11: is very questionable. People travel for business, for tourism or 385 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 11: family reunification. 386 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 12: People have. 387 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 11: Contacts, People go from one country to another and then 388 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 11: come here. So really there's no way to build a 389 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 11: moat around the United States and keep everybody out. It 390 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 11: is reasonable to reduce the risk that there will be 391 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 11: any spread in the US, and there. 392 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 12: Are really good ways to do that. 393 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 11: But what we did during my time leading the CDC 394 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 11: was when a couple of Americans got sick overseas, we 395 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 11: have a special bio containment airplane that went picked them 396 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 11: up and brought them to a biocontainment facility at Emory 397 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 11: University in Atlanta, and both of them survived and nobody 398 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 11: else got infected. And that didn't serve as a deterrent 399 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 11: for people to go stop the outbreak there understanding that 400 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 11: they would be well cared for if they became ill. 401 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 5: I remember that. 402 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 2: I remember that flight coming back and us live on 403 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: the air where I was working at the time, tracking 404 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: that movement of that patient all the way to that hospital. 405 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 3: Let me ask you, act your Fred about the loneliness 406 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 3: of the wahhow director making the trip to Democratic Republic 407 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: at the CONGO to see this firsthand. In the past, 408 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: somebody in your previous position might have gone, we don't 409 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: currently have a permanent head of the CDC right now. 410 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 3: Use that as a jumping off point if you were 411 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: just to talk about the way that the WAHOW the 412 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: Globe Health apparatusus operating here without the cooperation of the 413 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 3: kind of hand and glove relationship that we would have 414 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: seen in the past between the US public health infrastructure 415 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: and global public health infrastructure. 416 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 12: There's a bottom line here. 417 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 11: For all of its problems and challenges and weaknesses, the 418 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 11: WHO is absolutely essential. 419 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 12: There is no replacement for it. 420 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 11: There's no way for bilateral engagements to make the kind 421 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 11: of interaction and intervention that the WHO can and the 422 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 11: stronger WHO is the safer we are as a country. 423 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 11: During my time at WHO, Margaret Chan was the director. 424 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 11: She and I were in almost daily telephone communication. We 425 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 11: were very closely coordinated. We provided dozens or even hundreds 426 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 11: of staff to support and strengthen WHO. In the past decade, 427 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 11: WHO has gotten stronger. 428 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 12: They created a. 429 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 11: New emergencies unit that's more capable of responding to things 430 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 11: like this, but was always in the lead along with WHO. 431 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 11: And now we're really kind of on the sidelines. And 432 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 11: that also means that we have less intelligence, less information 433 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 11: about what's really happening. We haven't paid our dues to WHO. 434 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 11: We walked away from WHO we pulled out overnight. Several 435 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 11: dozen CDC experts who were embedded with WHO, helping them 436 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 11: to do a better job. And fundamentally, when we turn 437 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 11: our back on an organization like who we can't improve 438 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 11: it and we. 439 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 12: Are less safe. 440 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 2: Talk to us a little bit about what this virus 441 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 2: is like and what this strain of this virus is like. 442 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: It's not as contagious as something like COVID, right you 443 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: have to come into direct contact with it. But I 444 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: think the reason it is so scary is because the 445 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: outcomes can be very bad if you are in a 446 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: facility that is not what you've got in Atlanta. 447 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 5: It's not all this supportive care. 448 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 2: How do you treat it and what is the best 449 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 2: way to prevent the spread? Given the resources a lot 450 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: of people have at their disposal. 451 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 12: Ebola is a scary disease. 452 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 11: It kills a significant proportion of the people who are infected. 453 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 11: It kills in some horrible ways bleeding and loss of 454 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 11: body fluids, and it spreads through close contact, especially with 455 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 11: people who have died from ebola, who have a huge 456 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 11: number of organisms. And that's one of the reasons it's 457 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 11: just not in the cards or ebola to spread widely 458 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 11: in this country. We don't have the kind of burial 459 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 11: practices or healthcare that would lead to widespread transmission. On 460 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 11: the other hand, it is certainly possible that a traveler 461 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 11: will come into this country as one did in. 462 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 12: Fourteen twenty fifteen. 463 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 11: With ebola or without ebola, and develop symptoms of ebola, 464 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 11: go to the emergency in the department or a doctor's office. 465 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 11: And that's why for the general public, there's really no 466 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 11: cause for concern. For doctors and nurses working on the 467 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 11: front lines, keep an eye out for people who have traveled. 468 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 11: But there's one issue beyond this that I think is 469 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 11: really important to emphasize. Even though this strain of ebola 470 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 11: and this ebola outbreak is not going to cause a pandemic, 471 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 11: it's not going to cause a significant risk to large 472 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 11: numbers of Americans, it's a stress test, and it's a 473 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 11: stress test. The world is not doing well at I 474 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 11: would say so far, we're failing, and that bodes ill 475 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 11: for the future. That means that the next time is 476 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 11: a pandemic, and there will be a next pandemic. We 477 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 11: are not well prepared, Our defenses are down. The WHO 478 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 11: needs to be stronger, the CDC needs to be robust, 479 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 11: and what we saw in recent weeks is another deadly 480 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 11: blow to the US CDC. In the past, we've seen 481 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 11: three thousand staff pushed out, virtually all leaders of the 482 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 11: CDC gone acting part time. And now what we've seen 483 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 11: is the State Department halt more than one hundred different contracts. 484 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 11: CDC has organizations around the world that provide care for 485 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 11: eight million people living with HIV and that can support 486 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 11: finding problems quickly and stopping them soon. That plan is 487 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 11: to roll out in the coming weeks, and it would 488 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 11: result basically in the CDC having to call back hundreds 489 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 11: of disease detectives, shut offices, outposts in countries where we 490 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 11: can support countries to find and stop outbreaks faster. This 491 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 11: is something that would not only devastate CDC's global health footprint, 492 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 11: but make Americans. 493 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 12: Much less safe. 494 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 11: So if this plan of the State Department isn't paused 495 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 11: and done in a careful way, we will be even 496 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 11: less prepared for the next pandemic. 497 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 3: Frekan, thank you very much for the time on this Saturday, 498 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 3: the former head of the Centers for Disease contun Prevention of course, 499 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: former Commission for Public Health here in New York City 500 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 3: as well. Now with the Resolve to Save Lives organization, 501 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: and I just want to note here Christina, we've gotten 502 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: these kind of Daily Digest from the State Department. The 503 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 3: most recent statement that we got, yes, announced more funcial commitments, 504 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: but also noted that the US, Mexico, and Canada have 505 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: announced aligned public health travel measures for individuals coming from 506 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 3: African regions at greatest risk from the Ebola virus centering 507 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: around the World Cup, And I think that's something to 508 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 3: watch here as well, sort of how they handle that 509 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: transit to the US from after that. 510 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: Team is already in Europe, so we'll have to see 511 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: if they're treated to quarantinas as well. Stay with us 512 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right after this, after 513 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,239 Speaker 2: a bruising and exceedingly expensive primary campaign that ended with 514 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton defeating incoment center John Corny 515 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: in the stage is set for what's bound to be 516 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: a bruising and exceedingly expensive campaign for the Senate seat 517 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: ahead of the general election, where voters are going to 518 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: choose between Paxton and Democrat James Talrico. 519 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 3: Newpoleon this week shows Talla Rica with a slight edge 520 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 3: over Packson, but it is a long way until November. 521 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 9: Join us now too. Count them two Texas. 522 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 5: Bureau Chiefs Bureau chiefs Hereday. 523 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 3: The New York Times. This man in Houston, along with 524 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 3: our own Julie Fine. She is based in Dallas. Julie, 525 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 3: let me start with you. We're going to talk about 526 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 3: the polling and the social issues, but just tee this 527 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 3: up for us. Let's start with how expensive that primary 528 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 3: was and what that portends for this general election campaign. 529 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 13: Well, this general election campaign expect to be well over 530 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 13: one hundred million dollars. I want to take you back 531 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 13: to twenty eighteen when Bette O'Rourke and Ted Cruz, between 532 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 13: the two of them, it was about one hundred and 533 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 13: twenty million dollars. 534 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 5: That was twenty eighteen. 535 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 13: I expect this race to be more expensive when it 536 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,239 Speaker 13: is all said and done. The Republicans already spent a 537 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 13: lot of money going after each other in the primary, 538 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 13: so now they have to really get ready for a 539 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 13: general election. Whereas James tallerco has just had plenty of 540 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 13: time to fundraise. He's raised three million dollars his campaign 541 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 13: says since the primary results alone, so expect this to 542 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 13: be a lot of money. 543 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: David, I want to ask about these kind of dueling narratives. 544 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: Since we've got dueling peer achiefs. Obviously, Ken pact. Ken 545 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: Paxton has quite the history, right, He's got ethics concerns, 546 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: he's got personal life is a bit messy. Republican voters 547 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: in the primary seem to not be bothered by that. 548 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: I'm wondering as you go into the general if that's 549 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 2: going to be a bigger concern. And then I'm also 550 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: highly amused at the swipes some Republican operatives have been 551 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 2: taking at Tallarico this week, including accusing him of being 552 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 2: a vegan he is not, for the record, and accusing 553 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: him of having a secret vegan girlfriend. What is going 554 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: on here and what are voters really going to care about? 555 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 14: Well, I mean that remains to be seen, but you know, 556 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 14: it's important to remember the attorney General Ken Paxton has 557 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 14: won several statewide races, why general elections in Texas, you know, 558 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 14: with a lot of the baggage that he's bringing into 559 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 14: this general election already known to the voters. So one 560 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 14: of the challenges for Democrats here is going to be, 561 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 14: you know, making those issues, you know salient again. And 562 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 14: it's you know, this argument that you know, Ken Paxton 563 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 14: is unfit for the job and that he has his 564 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 14: you know, messy personal life and history of coruption allegations. 565 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 14: That's something that John Cornyn tried in the primary and 566 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 14: it really didn't work at all with Republican voters, and 567 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 14: you know, it may not work here with general election 568 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 14: voters either, But that is the tactic that you know, 569 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 14: James Talerico is focused on so far, and he believes 570 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 14: that you know, Ken Paxson hasn't run a general election 571 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 14: since twenty twenty two, some of these accusations are, if 572 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 14: not new, at least newly adjudicated. You know, his impeachment 573 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 14: in twenty twenty three happened in the interim, so he 574 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 14: may be a little bit more vulnerable than in the past. 575 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 14: On the other side, what Ken Paxton's trying to do 576 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 14: is really make James Tallerico seem you know, untexan or 577 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 14: sort of other to the voters here. And one of 578 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 14: the ways of doing that is, you know, by using 579 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 14: the vegan word, and James Salary is not a vegan, 580 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 14: but it does you know, it sort of resonates on 581 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 14: some level with the idea among Republican voters anyway that 582 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 14: this candidate is outside of the mainstream of what a 583 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 14: Texan is and you know it's a bit ironic because 584 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 14: you know, James Tallerico is a multi generational Texan, whereas 585 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 14: Ken Paxton moved here from elsewhere, and so you know, 586 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 14: both of them of course are Texans now. But this 587 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 14: question of what does it mean to be a Texan 588 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 14: is at the center of this race. 589 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 9: Julie pick up on that. 590 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm curious how much this is sticking with 591 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 3: the general electorate. Is this something that could be solved 592 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: if James Tillerica went to like Lockhart Tomorrow and went 593 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 3: to Smitty's and Blacks and Cruises and got a few plays, 594 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: e didn't use cutlery, used whitebread to eat the barbecue. 595 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 3: I mean, is this something that's likely to stick as 596 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 3: we moved to November? Is it something he can dismiss 597 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: or get out of voter's minds pretty quickly, or do you. 598 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 13: Think, well, I think this is something you're going to 599 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 13: see until November. I mean, you talk about going to 600 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 13: a barbecue joint in doing that kind of thing. He 601 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 13: will have those opportunities to do it. The question really 602 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 13: is is this going to all be personal attacks and 603 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 13: who's more Texan and who's done this or who's done that, 604 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 13: or do they get down to the issues of affordability 605 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 13: and the border. So certainly there's time, as my dueling 606 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 13: bureau Cheap knows, it's a long time in politics until 607 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 13: that general election, but I expect these themes to come 608 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 13: up because they were so prevalent during the prime Julie. 609 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 5: Is there enough barbecue to be eaten? 610 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 8: Though? 611 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: When you look at the numbers, this is not a 612 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: place that elects Democrats. 613 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 5: Even at a time when. 614 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: There are a lot of folks based on pulling that 615 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: are unhappy with the way the country is being run. 616 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: With the Republican majority, it may not matter at the 617 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: end of the day. 618 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 5: And to David's points, the. 619 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: Kryptonite of Ken Paxton's kind of ethics problems it's old 620 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: voters either know it or don't. At this point, are 621 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: the numbers there no matter how well Tallerico does. Do 622 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 2: you think to actually pull out a victory because right now, 623 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: as we've talked about, Paxton is pulling slightly ahead. 624 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, David said it perfectly. A lot is 625 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 13: already known about Ken Paxton. John Cornyn really tried to 626 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 13: get that out more. 627 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 12: But this has been known. 628 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 13: For a long time, and he continues to get re elected. 629 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 12: So you have to keep that in mind. 630 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 13: Texas has not elected a Democrat to statewide office since 631 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 13: nineteen ninety four, So James Tallerco Is really going to 632 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 13: have to appeal to moderates and get more people registered 633 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 13: to vote. That is something that better or Rourke really 634 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 13: tried to do but only came within three David. 635 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 9: I think I speak for all of us. 636 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 3: We'd love to see these two men on stage hashing 637 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 3: it out, making their platforms known, trading barbs with one another. 638 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 3: What is the likelihood of that happening between now May 639 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 3: and November. 640 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 14: I would say it's pretty close to zero that that 641 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 14: scenario plays out. Ken Paxton hasn't done a debate in 642 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 14: a primary or general election for many many cycles. I 643 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 14: think back to twenty fourteen was the last time he 644 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 14: was in some kind of on stage debate, and part 645 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 14: of the reason why is that he never has had 646 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 14: to do that. He's always been in a kind of 647 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 14: pole position in his races and here as well. I 648 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 14: think if we see a debate, it'll be because Republicans 649 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 14: are quite worried that they're not getting their message across 650 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 14: and that James Tallerco is appealing across party lines and 651 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 14: the way that's really suggesting, and so we at this point, 652 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 14: you know, I can't imagine a scenario where he does 653 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 14: agree to a debate, but if we see, and I 654 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 14: think it's a signal that Democrats are closer than Republicans 655 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 14: want them to be. 656 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: Julie, quickly, before I let you go, what happens to 657 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 2: the Cornan voters. I mean, we've got a poll that 658 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: says most of them said they would now choose Paxton, 659 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 2: twenty three percent undecided. 660 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 5: Do you think tell Rico can get enough of them? 661 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 13: That's what Democrats have been trying to do here four years. 662 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 13: I think a lot of this depends on, again, how 663 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 13: much is on personal issues and how much really does 664 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 13: get down to the issues that matter to voters. 665 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 10: It is a steep road. 666 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 13: For any Democrat. As David said, they're certainly going to 667 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 13: be trying, but it's going to take a serious amount 668 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 13: of effort, and you're going to have to really work 669 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 13: to pull those voters over. Many of them, like you 670 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 13: pointed out, said they will go ahead and vote for 671 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 13: Ken Paxton when they were planning on voting. 672 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 12: For John Cornyn. 673 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 3: Great to have both of you again. Two Texas Puia 674 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 3: chiefs on the show. First for US Dueling, Thanks you. 675 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 9: As we moved to November, thanks to both you. 676 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 3: Julie fine Ore, Texas pir chief based in down US 677 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 3: David Goodman, who's based in Houston for the New York Times. 678 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,959 Speaker 9: Thanks to both you on this Saturday. I really appreciate him. 679 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 4: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right 680 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 4: after this, well, well. 681 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 3: Well it's time once again for this weekend's pointed news quiz. 682 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 9: Lisa Matteo quiz Master is here. I don't know. I'm 683 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 9: just still stepping the fact. 684 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 3: In the last week you said you didn't have a 685 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 3: chance to study. I didn't realize that that's the thing 686 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 3: that you do. Christina, she does. 687 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: Yes, you always accuse me of malfeasans. But I do 688 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 2: go through the terminal and I literally click on the 689 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 2: most random stories I can find in preparation for the malfeasans. 690 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 9: It's just method. Curious about the method? 691 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 5: It goes, Well, there's no method today. There's no method. 692 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 9: Today, mostly madness. Where are we about the game? We 693 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 9: should say? 694 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 7: So? 695 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,439 Speaker 4: Sorry, guys, this is the okay, here we go, let's 696 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 4: get ready to it. 697 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 5: Here for those of you playing at HO. 698 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 4: Here are the rules. 699 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 5: Okay. 700 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 4: There are gonna be three categories. They each have thirty 701 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 4: chips in front of them. They're going to base how 702 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 4: they place those chips on each category based on how 703 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 4: confident they feel. All right, you're feeling confident? 704 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 15: Pretty good? 705 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 4: The category okay, first category is wexit. 706 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 9: I don't know what that is. 707 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 4: Going really well, category is hungary and the third category 708 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 4: food and beverage. So are we going even across the 709 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 4: board now? 710 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 15: No? 711 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 4: No, okay, I'm he's putting all one. Wait, really, I 712 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 4: think he is in for quite a treat. 713 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 5: I'm okay, I'm gonna slid all the way. 714 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 4: You're splitting all the way. 715 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 5: I have no confidence. 716 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 4: I think I already know who the winner is. Here 717 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 4: we go, Okay, let's start with wexit. 718 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 2: Okay. 719 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 4: A Canadian premiere called for a quote referendum on a 720 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 4: referendum to determine if which province should hold a vote 721 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 4: to secede. Which province is it? What's the name of 722 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 4: this province? 723 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 9: Q ships. 724 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 4: Well, you don't lose, you know. 725 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 9: I can still gloat? Are we ready to CHRISTI? Yes, 726 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 9: go ahead? 727 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 16: Alberta correct, Alberta, So exit Western exit, Alberta being the 728 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 16: westernmost of the so called Prairie provinces. 729 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 5: I didn't even know this was. You got to brush 730 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 5: up hand, Christina. This man, it's so excited. 731 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 4: I have your chip. All right, so far you're feeling Oh, 732 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 4: he's feeling good. 733 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 3: Now, okay, let's go to Hungry. 734 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 5: No points for that captain. 735 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 4: He didn't but he keeps his he keeps us thirty. 736 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 4: All right, all right, Hungary, under the leadership of Peter Majar, 737 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 4: Hungary withdrew its decision to exit. Which global organization? What 738 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 4: is the name of that organization? 739 00:36:59,239 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 9: Say one more time? 740 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 4: Sure, sorry, withdrew his decision to exit. Which global organization? 741 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 4: This is Peter Majar Hungary is. 742 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 5: Something that Orbon had them join. 743 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 4: There was a certain name of an organization that they 744 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 4: had to withdrew their decision to exit. All right, it's 745 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 4: a tough one. 746 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 9: It's a tough one. 747 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 4: Oh, you never know. 748 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 5: This could be your day. 749 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 9: It's good for your day. 750 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 5: We're erasing. Oh, she's a racing, she's racing. 751 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 4: I'll say it again. 752 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 9: We've done. 753 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 4: Ready, Okay, go for it, David, what do you plut? 754 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 5: W h O not NATO, not. 755 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 4: The answer is the International Criminal Court. I see, I 756 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 4: see yes, organization that wanted Yaho arrested for alleged war 757 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 4: crimes in the Kaza strips. So yes, I see see. Christina, 758 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 4: I get it. 759 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 5: You're quick to grab and hips and everything's. 760 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 3: Account for those watching on TV, I mean up the 761 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 3: radio listeners by not having usability into the chips, I 762 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 3: should say the ready listeners. 763 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 5: She has. 764 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 2: She does. 765 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 4: She has a small little ten pile on the next category. David, 766 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 4: you have a massive thirty pile. 767 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 5: Are you ready for it? Okay? 768 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 4: American demand for which natural sweetener grew ten percent this year, 769 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 4: raising prices and increasing imports to the US. It is 770 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 4: a natural sweetener? What is the name of this natural 771 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 4: sweetener this year? 772 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 9: All right? I'm ready? 773 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:31,760 Speaker 2: You're ready? 774 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 4: That was quick? 775 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 15: Okay, go ahead, No, it's honey, but you both lost. 776 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 2: As long as I take him with me, I'm equally happy. 777 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 9: Answer the mount. 778 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 4: Wait, but wait, we do have a tie breaker. Okay, 779 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 4: hold on, let me get the true tie breakers today. 780 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 9: Got a minute left here? 781 00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 5: Okay? 782 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 4: Time pieces is the bone? 783 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 15: Okay? 784 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 11: Ready? 785 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 4: Okay, what is the name of the hold here? O 786 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 4: Marpiget and Swatch collaborations so popular that it caused crowd 787 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 4: safety concerns. What is the name that collaboration? Yes, I 788 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 4: don't I think it looks stupid. O. Marge and Swatch 789 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 4: they had a collaboration. What is the name of it? Okay, 790 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 4: cause crowd safety concerns. 791 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 5: You're writing too much. 792 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 3: That's too much writing the futuristic pocket watch? 793 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 5: What close? 794 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 9: We don't do close, we don't do that. 795 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 4: I'll give her half a point. It's royal pop. 796 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 3: Well, if only she's got it all. 797 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 2: Casual. Okay, it will be adjudicating this, but I feel 798 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 2: like that was a half a win. 799 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 9: It was half a win. 800 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 4: Who knew. I'm not a big thing of it, but 801 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 4: people were lining. 802 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 5: Up for these It was really out of control. 803 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 2: I mean they had to like not open several of 804 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: the stores because the situation outside was concerning for staff 805 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 2: member safeties. 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