Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged. I want to welcome my brother
Speaker 1: into the building. Keyon Dueling, KEYA, what's up with you?
Speaker 2: Brother? What's up? Champ? How you be?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: I can't call it just out here chilling man. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's get right into it. Monday Night Game five, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City versus Indiana Pacers Oklahoma City one twenty the Pacers
Speaker 1: one oh nine. What was your biggest takeaway from this game?
Speaker 1: Was it Jaden Williams forty? Was it Chase thirty one
Speaker 1: and he is only the fourth player in history to
Speaker 1: have fifteen to thirty point games in one playoff run?
Speaker 2: Was it Halliburton not.
Speaker 1: Converting a basket and finishing with what he had four
Speaker 1: or six four points and he could be injured?
Speaker 2: What was your biggest takeaway from the game?
Speaker 3: So, I would say the biggest takeaway is Jay Dubb,
Speaker 3: you know, for me tonight dropping forty on the offensive end.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go out on a limb a little bit, Matt.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that j duve is cut from that
Speaker 3: Scottie pippencloth.
Speaker 4: Because he locked you up on the defensive end.
Speaker 3: But he's somebody who can go out and drop forty
Speaker 3: on you on the biggest stage and be you know
Speaker 3: that Robin to SGA who is Batman.
Speaker 2: On a high level. So you're not saying it's a
Speaker 2: Jordan Pippen combo.
Speaker 1: You're just saying that he is a Pipping cut from
Speaker 1: the same cloth as a Pippin.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, because like I believe, like you know, if he
Speaker 3: goes to his own team and he's the one option, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. I'm not saying that he's in that.
Speaker 3: Super superstar category, but as that one a as that
Speaker 3: second option, I think, you know, on the offensive end,
Speaker 3: a guy who can you know, deliver forty points in
Speaker 3: a finals game and then you know, be second team
Speaker 3: all defense. Like, we have to start looking at him
Speaker 3: in a different way. And I know they're young, so
Speaker 3: they have to build their resume, so we can't see it.
Speaker 4: So I'm prophesying a little a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're seeing the future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, he's he's one of them. If not, he's
Speaker 3: probably the best second option in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Jumping out there, since you can see the future, what
Speaker 1: is the future for your hairline holding? So the future
Speaker 1: for my hairline holds two different options, right, there was
Speaker 1: three one.
Speaker 3: I keep it like this and stay to Kobe. I
Speaker 3: stay to Bean Bryant. You know what I mean to
Speaker 3: represent the homie. You know what I mean, at least
Speaker 3: see the line. They don't grow a lot, but you can.
Speaker 1: See that that's all Kobe used to do. But Coach Line,
Speaker 1: you see, it's my dog. But Coach Line was in
Speaker 1: the middle of his head. Let's keep it real.
Speaker 2: He just kept far back.
Speaker 1: But it's you know, but it's it's not there, but
Speaker 1: it's not that far back.
Speaker 2: So it's either.
Speaker 3: Turkey numb bro is hair restoration or it's like you know,
Speaker 3: Kojack is ballhead.
Speaker 1: I mean, they said, and Stay's gonna try to get
Speaker 1: a two for one special.
Speaker 2: He's gonna go with you. Producer Nate wants to roll
Speaker 2: with you out there.
Speaker 3: Listen, man, just because you got your ship like Miami
Speaker 3: Vice and you got your feeling Michael Thomas going going
Speaker 3: and all that.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, don't look down on me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know it's father.
Speaker 1: Town goat Hey undefeated. But back to the game. I
Speaker 1: love what Jaylen Williams being able to do only in
Speaker 1: his third year out of Santa Clair, out of a
Speaker 1: smaller school and has definitely developed his game. You know,
Speaker 1: we say stars are born in the playoffs, and I
Speaker 1: think with probably dropping forty now, he's probably averaging twenty
Speaker 1: five a game in the finals, if not more. Didn't
Speaker 1: run those numbers. But I mean, I definitely think to
Speaker 1: your point, he's on the vert he's a star. He's
Speaker 1: definitely one of the top number two options in the game.
Speaker 1: Completely care I mean, although she still had thirty one
Speaker 1: down the stretch, it was Jalen, it was it was
Speaker 1: Jayleen Williams show, and overall tonight it was McConnell.
Speaker 2: I like the way McConnell played.
Speaker 1: If we're switching over to Indiana, he had a nice
Speaker 1: run thirteen points in the third quarter, six for seven
Speaker 1: from the field. To be honest with you, it seemed
Speaker 1: like when Indiana made that run, when Halliburton was on
Speaker 1: the bench, they put Halliburton back in, they took McConnell out,
Speaker 1: and then I think that's when the furies the turnovers
Speaker 1: happened and okay see ran away from the game. But
Speaker 1: you know, okay See caused or had fifteen steals, cost
Speaker 1: twenty two turnovers. But again, McConnell was very solid throughout
Speaker 1: the game to night.
Speaker 3: Matt, let me tell you to that point, man, it's like,
Speaker 3: how frustrating was it for you as somebody who came
Speaker 3: off the bench as a spark plug, right, and you
Speaker 3: had it going that night, right, and you don't get
Speaker 3: that opportunity, you know, to extend those minutes, right, Those
Speaker 3: minutes can be decreased if you don't produce. Some coaches
Speaker 3: already have like a pre rotation, so they know how
Speaker 3: many minutes no matter what happens in the game, they're
Speaker 3: gonna play a particular player. But from what I'm hearing
Speaker 3: and what I'm reading and what I'm seeing, what the
Speaker 3: eyes are telling me, Halliburton wasn't at his best tonight
Speaker 3: health wise, I think he's dealing with something in his body.
Speaker 2: Of course, he's that guy.
Speaker 3: He's the guy who you know has made clutch shots
Speaker 3: time and time again, so you always want to give
Speaker 3: him that chance. But in this particular game, that was
Speaker 3: a tweet that I thought Rick Carlisle could have leaned
Speaker 3: on a little bit more. But I understand giving your
Speaker 3: superstar player the opportunity to go out and produce.
Speaker 2: But when you come up.
Speaker 3: And you're over, you know from the three point line
Speaker 3: and you're over you know from the field, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's one of those nights where a
Speaker 3: bench player could be your spark plug. But I understand,
Speaker 3: you know, the coaches trust in Palli, but also like
Speaker 3: as a bench player and a guy who was a
Speaker 3: role player who you know would come in and try
Speaker 3: and change the game and fill those gaps. You know,
Speaker 3: it could have been an opportunity where he you know,
Speaker 3: leaned on the McConnell a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I completely agree, But I think to your point,
Speaker 1: you always want to lean with your star, especially as Halliburton.
Speaker 2: It's not like their second or third. I mean, he's their.
Speaker 1: Guy, you know what I mean, He's the guy Halliburton.
Speaker 2: Halliburton didn't play well.
Speaker 1: But I've been lucky, Katie to play for a coaches that,
Speaker 1: at some times, just like you said, roll with the
Speaker 1: guy that's rolling, especially at this point in the season.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously Hollie's been a great closer throughout these playoffs,
Speaker 1: but he just didn't have it tonight. But that that
Speaker 1: that begs me to ask, what about Game six? How
Speaker 1: was he going to No one really knows what is
Speaker 1: they said CAF Titans during the game, banged his knee
Speaker 1: on the ground on a play. He just didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: look like itself the whole time, and they said he'd
Speaker 1: kind of been dealing with the leg injury throughout the situation.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's here, you know, Perk said, I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about none of that. Ship if
Speaker 1: you're out there, you got to go stephen a Smith's
Speaker 1: you know, similar to what you were saying. You know,
Speaker 1: could it just a sitem?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And you got someone else rolling allow them to cook.
Speaker 1: So what do you think his status will be? Game six?
Speaker 2: And if they could possibly be pushing a game seven.
Speaker 4: Man, he gonna he gonna lace them up, you know, if.
Speaker 2: It's a but will he be effective? What's that? But?
Speaker 2: Will he be effective?
Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll be effective or not. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of times it's not about your effectiveness, it's
Speaker 3: about your availability. And I know that this time during
Speaker 3: the season, you know, when everything is on the line,
Speaker 3: the best players will show up and show out. So
Speaker 3: you know, he might have to go see the trainer
Speaker 3: and get toward off. If it's a direct injury, he
Speaker 3: might have to get Cortizon. He's gonna get a lot
Speaker 3: of treatment. There's a few days in between, you know,
Speaker 3: more than a few days in between the next game.
Speaker 3: From its inception, I picked Okay see in six, it's
Speaker 3: their time, it's their space, like right. If they don't
Speaker 3: in a championship in six this year, I would be
Speaker 3: definitely surprised. But Halley's gonna strap up. He's a competitor.
Speaker 3: Not only is he a competitor, he comes from that pedigree.
Speaker 3: His dad is so competitive that he'll waive a flag
Speaker 3: in front of Ananaki, a giant, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: somebody who could like like crush him with a single blow.
Speaker 3: So I don't think he has fear or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I think he'll you know, do his best to bounce back.
Speaker 3: But I just think that they've ran into a team
Speaker 3: that's peaking at the right time, Like all the.
Speaker 4: Stars have aligned for Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3: They're well coached, They have a great infrastructure from Sam
Speaker 3: Presty on down as far as their administration. Their team
Speaker 3: believes in one another. They know their roles on different nights.
Speaker 3: They understand that different guys can step up. So I
Speaker 3: just believe Oklahoma City is a better team holistically.
Speaker 1: Yea, and arguably one of the people are saying this
Speaker 1: could be one of the defensive teams we've seen in
Speaker 1: a long time. I don't want to get into the
Speaker 1: greatest or whatever, but these motherfuckers are out here playing
Speaker 1: defense again. They had fifteen steals cost twenty two turnovers. Yeah, tonight.
Speaker 1: But I want to also mention Pascal Siakam, who had
Speaker 1: a big game, who was just a mismatched nightmare. If
Speaker 1: there's any way that you know, Indiana come back and
Speaker 1: win the finals, I definitely think he would be the
Speaker 1: MVP from Indiana from night in nine now, he's been consistent.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, Cruso is one of their better defenders.
Speaker 1: He's too small, They've thrown everybody on him, and he's
Speaker 1: just kind of that mismatch guy. So definitely wanted to
Speaker 1: shout him out. He's been playing really well. Yeah, Indiana, big.
Speaker 3: Shout out to you know, past he's you know, he's
Speaker 3: been solid, right, you know, coming from a small school,
Speaker 3: you know, coming on the radar, taking people by storm.
Speaker 2: Obviously he had the run in Toronto.
Speaker 3: But if Halle isn't creating certain easy baskets and opportunities
Speaker 3: and making shots and getting in the pain and carving
Speaker 3: up and starting to blender.
Speaker 2: It's tough.
Speaker 3: It's tough for him to like just be highlighted as
Speaker 3: an icehole player where you just give him the ball
Speaker 3: and you go, you make it happen. Indiana can't win
Speaker 3: that way. They win from continuity, they win from depth,
Speaker 3: they win from their pace. So I don't believe that,
Speaker 3: like you can just give him the ball, but you
Speaker 3: gotta shout him out. And I got to shout out
Speaker 3: my guy Rico Hines as well, because he's been countless
Speaker 3: hours in the lab, you know what I mean, kind
Speaker 3: of crafting with that young man. And look at the
Speaker 3: player that he's turned out to be. Man, he's just
Speaker 3: an exceptional player. Kudos to him. It's not of lack
Speaker 3: of effort or talent from his standpoint. I just think that,
Speaker 3: like at some point, you know, talent just wins. It
Speaker 3: exceeds all.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, only one game seven in the last
Speaker 1: nine years, and that's the Cavs versus the Warriors in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. So looks like, okay, seeing six that happened.
Speaker 1: What do you think as a father, but me as
Speaker 1: a basketball dad, what do you think basketball dads can
Speaker 1: learn from from Holly's pops and SGA's pops. He was
Speaker 1: on a show that they got taken down recently on
Speaker 1: Tigue show out talking that talk. I heard them, Man,
Speaker 1: what what do you think about these dads out here
Speaker 1: and enjoying the moment?
Speaker 2: Should we say? So? There's a couple of things I
Speaker 2: think about it.
Speaker 3: The first thing I think about it is that like
Speaker 3: the guys who are privileged enough to have fathers that
Speaker 3: are proud, who have put time, energy, effort, resources, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, motivation, inspiration, encouragement, protection, standing in
Speaker 3: the paint for them for their sons, I think you
Speaker 3: do give your son a better opportunity to.
Speaker 2: Be the best version of himself.
Speaker 3: So I don't want to minimize those guys from the
Speaker 3: bar ball on down to you know, we can go
Speaker 3: to King Williams and the way that he indoctrinated and
Speaker 3: protected his children. Fatherhood is one of the best hoods
Speaker 3: on the planet. So I don't want to minimize fatherhood. Now,
Speaker 3: antics that's a whole different thing, you know. Like creatively,
Speaker 3: if you talk to talk, I'm cool with that, But
Speaker 3: when you go and put yourself in the action, there
Speaker 3: has to be some discipline. So there's a lesson to
Speaker 3: be learned in what Hallie's pops went through. I don't
Speaker 3: want to minimize and take away from the greatness and
Speaker 3: the support that he's given to his son, and even
Speaker 3: the comeback story because he's been on he's been a
Speaker 3: model citizen since he's come back. But I think that man,
Speaker 3: there's no hood. We just had Father's Day, Matt. You know,
Speaker 3: I hope you had a great Father's Day. You've been
Speaker 3: a great father to your to your kids, and you're
Speaker 3: an excellent man. You know, you had the privilege of
Speaker 3: you know, seeing your father, you know, through his hardships
Speaker 3: and things like that. So like it's just a part
Speaker 3: of the journey. I don't want to minimize fathers, in
Speaker 3: particular Black fathers you know who show up.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm absolutely absolutely. By the way, happy Father's Day,
Speaker 1: So thank you days removed for that. Yeah, speaking of
Speaker 1: dad's and fatherhood and all that other stuff, one of
Speaker 1: my sons just walked through on crutches. He just came
Speaker 1: back from the NBPA Top one hundred camp. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bring him in real quick and we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about camp. Carter, get your little cripple butt over here.
Speaker 3: Bro, Hey, Matt, did you hurt yourself at PA camp
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety seven, because if I can recollect, I
Speaker 3: think you had an ankle injury at the top one
Speaker 3: hundred camp when we was, you know, at Princeton, so
Speaker 3: we understand that plight.
Speaker 1: Carter was having a solid camp and then man his
Speaker 1: first real ankle injury.
Speaker 2: And I want to tell you a little motherfucker the
Speaker 2: story real quick before I let Carter talk, okay, talk
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Last week I went into their I went into their
Speaker 1: house and I told Carl and Isaiah, I'm like, listen, man,
Speaker 1: you guys are getting older, more athletic, faster, stronger, playing
Speaker 1: with kids that there jump and you're jumping now.
Speaker 2: I think it's time for either tape or ankle braceist. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I bought them expensive ass ankle braceis and I told
Speaker 1: them before everybody, it's gonna take time to get uses.
Speaker 1: You gonna hurt your feet at first, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: take time, but you need them. Fast forward a week later,
Speaker 1: cars of NBA camp. I think he tries to wear
Speaker 1: it once and they're just hurting the speed. Isaiah warmed
Speaker 1: the whole camp yeah, harder, not haveing, no tape or
Speaker 1: ankle braces on.
Speaker 2: You gotta get used to him though fucked his ankle.
Speaker 2: It was that it was.
Speaker 1: It was a bad like third third degree spray. Everything
Speaker 1: was swollen, toes were swollen. But anyway, welcome to the show, Carlos.
Speaker 4: What's up, Carter? Listen, Cardat look make us so fast.
Speaker 2: I've been there before, right or so I understand, man.
Speaker 3: My first serious ankle injury was against the Bulls back
Speaker 3: in like two thousand and one, two thousand and two,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't playing a lot at the time. Matt
Speaker 3: and so Earl Boykins told me, he said, Kadi, you
Speaker 3: ain't getting taped today. I said, no, Earl, I could
Speaker 3: do fifteen minutes standing on my hand. And I had
Speaker 3: a serious ankle injury that you know, took me out,
Speaker 3: you know, for more than seventy sixty eight games in
Speaker 3: that season. And so I always believe in tape. Sometimes
Speaker 3: you can learn your daddy. I know you hear his
Speaker 3: voice a lot. It could get a little bit numb
Speaker 3: to you. But man, that boys battle test that trust me,
Speaker 3: I know, seeing your soldiers go through some stuff. So
Speaker 3: like you don't have to go through the experience to
Speaker 3: learn the lesson, and so hopefully this is a lesson
Speaker 3: to you, Carter.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Listen to your pops. He
Speaker 2: knows some shit.
Speaker 1: So you didn't hear when he was getting on he said,
Speaker 1: so me and we went to this same camp when
Speaker 1: we were in high school. It was our seventeen year
Speaker 1: old yer, right, we were going into our senior year.
Speaker 2: He was going into our senior year that year.
Speaker 1: You hurt your ankle and I did the same thing
Speaker 1: at the top one hundred.
Speaker 2: You fucked my shit. Uh, same camp, he reminded. He
Speaker 2: reminded me of.
Speaker 1: But my worst sprained ankle was the spraining ankle I
Speaker 1: had with the Warriors going into the playoffs.
Speaker 2: That was my worst by far. I couldn't do nothing
Speaker 2: with that ban ship took so.
Speaker 1: Long to heal bro But anyway, how was camp your
Speaker 1: first major camp?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: What were some of your takeaways? Camp was good.
Speaker 5: It was good to get out there with a whole
Speaker 5: lot of uh, well, some of the best talent in
Speaker 5: high school in my opinion. H there was a lot
Speaker 5: of different uh there's guards, bigs, a whole lot of
Speaker 5: people that could you know, seven players are bringing the
Speaker 5: ball to court shooting three. So it was definitely a
Speaker 5: good experience.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: What I took away probably, I mean, I was my shot.
Speaker 5: My offense wasn't really going, so I really relied on
Speaker 5: my defense that whole camp. Uh, and clearly too much
Speaker 5: because now I have one ankle.
Speaker 2: But it was a good camp.
Speaker 5: We uh learned a lot, had some financial uh financial
Speaker 5: learning classes that those were pretty good, some stuff and
Speaker 5: honestly a really good experience.
Speaker 4: Hey, card I got a question for you, buddy.
Speaker 3: Did you find out you good enough to be one
Speaker 3: of them boys?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Okay, So like that's what that's That's one of the
Speaker 3: biggest lessons. Even though you got injured and you went
Speaker 3: through some adversity at that camp, you had some success
Speaker 3: at that camp. So bottle that part up, but also
Speaker 3: bottle up that part of getting hurt because we're in
Speaker 3: the hurt business, champ, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it's a part of our journey.
Speaker 3: So we have to learn how to carry that out
Speaker 3: of heal from that, how to discipline ourselves, and also
Speaker 3: how to prevent that. So, man, I'm just glad you
Speaker 3: had that experience because you're on the same track that
Speaker 3: we went through when we were your age, but you
Speaker 3: have the knowledge and the experience of your pops. So
Speaker 3: tap into that, like that's that's fucking Matt Barnes. Tap
Speaker 3: into it. He know a little something.
Speaker 1: Mh you know what was dope was It was interesting
Speaker 1: because I'm always telling the boys, like we're always thinking
Speaker 1: the mental side of the game.
Speaker 2: That's just what we think. That's what we talk. They
Speaker 2: have skilled trainers for the other shit.
Speaker 1: But his shot, he hit a few threes early on,
Speaker 1: but then they weren't going and so I just told
Speaker 1: him that, you know, get downhill, get down to get
Speaker 1: to the basket, to the mid range, get to your layups.
Speaker 1: But just locking on d And the one thing I
Speaker 1: said is like, be hard to screen out here. You're
Speaker 1: hard to screen. It's gonna be a problem, when I
Speaker 1: tell you, bro, he was. It was impressive the way
Speaker 1: he could. There are big kids out here, the way
Speaker 1: he was able to move around these screens and get
Speaker 1: through screens, not not not be screened and lock up
Speaker 1: some er not lock up, just make it hard for
Speaker 1: some of these better scoring point guards where they were
Speaker 1: in two guards that were in this camp.
Speaker 5: Yeah, went against I think two of the higher ranked
Speaker 5: guards than both of them were. I think one of
Speaker 5: them had thirty on my team and the other one
Speaker 5: had like eighteen, but he got hurt later, but it
Speaker 5: was I definitely like, now I know that I could
Speaker 5: pick a problem anybody and or shut him down if
Speaker 5: I really, if I really try.
Speaker 2: That's dope.
Speaker 1: So with your prognosis, now we got man, we got
Speaker 1: Section seven come up this week. You're gonna miss that unfortunately,
Speaker 1: and then after that we got Cali Live.
Speaker 2: That's what you're hoping to come back for. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not that thing the third session, the third session or
Speaker 2: the fourth session of eybl and Augusta. So it's gotta
Speaker 2: get you healthy. Bro, he's in a boot now.
Speaker 1: That's I tell him, like, this is you're officially a
Speaker 1: bath because I feel like until you get hurt, like
Speaker 1: until you really get hurt, like it's.
Speaker 2: Just basketball, like it gets real now.
Speaker 1: So haven't tell him how a bad your first time
Speaker 1: iicing your ankle in the ice bath, Like you that's
Speaker 1: the worst shit ever, bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd be.
Speaker 3: Surprised at how like things that you think are punishment
Speaker 3: become a part of your routine because if you want
Speaker 3: to play this game, for a long time, buddy, You
Speaker 3: know what I mean. You're gonna spend more time sometimes
Speaker 3: like in your prehab and your rehab than actually working
Speaker 3: on your game, because like the body goes through these
Speaker 3: different changes. So you stay encouraged. Man, you in the
Speaker 3: right wheelhouse. You got great insight. Your pops has done
Speaker 3: it before. Like I would just say that, like your
Speaker 3: dad is trying to indoctrinate you with what he knows
Speaker 3: and what he experienced. So if you can take his
Speaker 3: experience and add your part to it.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want you to be like him.
Speaker 3: He wants you to be better than him, you and
Speaker 3: your brother and all your siblings, right right, Matt, you
Speaker 3: agree with me on.
Speaker 2: That preach MLKD yep.
Speaker 3: So just like just lock in, just listen to him
Speaker 3: and then like put your little twist on it and
Speaker 3: then take it to another level. And then like when
Speaker 3: y'all around the round table, you can talk that talk
Speaker 3: to him. You know what I'm saying, Like when his
Speaker 3: hair starts eventually looking like mine, it's gonna catch up.
Speaker 2: I should have definitely you see his you see mine.
Speaker 1: We ain't go in your direction, but Carter, before we
Speaker 1: get you out of here, thoughts on these finals, Man.
Speaker 2: I think we've seen that the changing of the guards.
Speaker 1: The guys that me and KD came in with and
Speaker 1: played with, the Lebron, the KDS, all those great guys
Speaker 1: Steph Currish have been passed up by this younger group.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a young finals of the young
Speaker 1: conference finals. What are your thoughts on the finals so
Speaker 1: far and the young talent that standing out so far?
Speaker 5: I think that I could say that the league is
Speaker 5: in good hands with this. Uh the league is definitely changing,
Speaker 5: and it's weird to see because you know, like I
Speaker 5: watched him play against his grades like the KDS, Lebron,
Speaker 5: Steph Clay, Kobe k I already said Kitty, but all
Speaker 5: those guys and now seeing people like Shay Ali chat
Speaker 5: the new wave of the NBA is definitely entertaining. This
Speaker 5: finals has been pretty entertaining, besides a few blogs her there.
Speaker 5: But you know, uh, Andy's and He's a scrappy team
Speaker 5: under our arguably the best team in the NBA. So
Speaker 5: it's definitely a good finals to watch. And uh, you
Speaker 5: got oh okay he's won.
Speaker 2: In game six? Yeah, okay, what's over? Appreciate you bro,
Speaker 2: appreciate it man. All right, all right, Champ KD.
Speaker 1: Big trade happened a few days ago. Desmond Bane to
Speaker 1: the Orlando Magic for Calwell, Pope, Cole Anthony and four
Speaker 1: unprotected first round picks. Yeah, and one first round pick swap.
Speaker 1: So that that pick swop was in the four first
Speaker 1: or is that the fifth? Three in the pick spot? Okay,
Speaker 1: three in the pick spot? Is this too much for
Speaker 1: bane career? Before we before we debate career forty one
Speaker 1: percent shooter five seasons. Uh, The Magic are twenty seventh
Speaker 1: in offensive rating.
Speaker 2: And twenty eighth in points per game. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Talk to me, first of all, let's break this down.
Speaker 1: First of all about his fit in Orlando. How do
Speaker 1: you feel he'll fit alongside Polo and Wagner?
Speaker 3: So, I think Banion fit really well. Right, he plays
Speaker 3: both ends of the floor. He shoots a high clip
Speaker 3: from the three point range, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He's got extremely short arms, but he's got long range.
Speaker 3: He's a guy who's a proven score, he's competitive, he's tough,
Speaker 3: he's a leader, he's a veteran. So I think it's
Speaker 3: a good fit for Orlando what they're trying to do currently.
Speaker 3: So I do think, you know, it helps them in
Speaker 3: the offensive category because I think they have a lot
Speaker 3: of defensive versatility, They have a lot of youth. They
Speaker 3: got a great young coach and coach Mosley, So I
Speaker 3: think the Orlando Magic, you know, get well in this trade.
Speaker 2: Now what they gave up, that's where the debate.
Speaker 3: Comes in because when you hear for first round picks
Speaker 3: and things like that, you can feel a certain type
Speaker 3: of way. But what they were able to do is well,
Speaker 3: it is able to They were able to offload you
Speaker 3: know KCP, which you know still has two years at
Speaker 3: a high number, right, and they got rid of Cole
Speaker 3: Anthony as well, who still you know, makes a good
Speaker 3: amount of money, so it gives them some flexibility. But
Speaker 3: they also have a proven good point guard now like
Speaker 3: Black at that backup point guard position, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, brings length, he brings size, he brings pace,
Speaker 3: he brings consistency, and you'll get Suggs back, So you
Speaker 3: don't want to have like Cole Anthony KCP you know,
Speaker 3: at that particular number. So I do think it's a
Speaker 3: good move in the interim for Orlando to address, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, the lack of scoring.
Speaker 2: M H.
Speaker 1: I've always felt I've been a fan of Bane, but
Speaker 1: I've also said that Bane is your second lead the scuare.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like you're a championship contender when I
Speaker 1: say that, with all due respect, but to that point,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's a great third score for this
Speaker 1: team that twenty twenty points, five assists, five rebounds, someone
Speaker 1: like you say, consistent, knockdown shoot. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: much pressure will be on him to score like he
Speaker 1: needed to score in Memphis, so that you know, it'll
Speaker 1: just be able to flow. But with Polo being the
Speaker 1: man and then Bogner being another All Star right next
Speaker 1: to him, I think he's a perfect third option.
Speaker 3: I agree, and it's either him man. He's going to
Speaker 3: a tax free stage. They got a young team, the business,
Speaker 3: the business bization, so I think it's a good move
Speaker 3: for him. What I do think that it's a rebuild
Speaker 3: for Memphis, right, and so you have my next question
Speaker 3: forecast what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: What moves are they gonna make?
Speaker 1: Is Jared Jackson? Is Jaron Jackson or jaw No, let's
Speaker 1: let's get to it now. I mean, is Jaron Jackson
Speaker 1: or Jaw something that they should talk about.
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, I feel like.
Speaker 1: I feel like obviously Jaws off court trouble drain this team.
Speaker 1: I feel like them not paying Dylan Brooks this team.
Speaker 1: And I was kind of it for that team, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they had a good two
Speaker 1: year run where we're looking at Memphis like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: there's a new sheriff in town. Obviously, I feel like
Speaker 1: Joah can get back to that point. He's been a
Speaker 1: little injury riddled. Jared Jackson, someone who's twenty two a game,
Speaker 1: you know, two time defensive Player of the year, one
Speaker 1: time defensive player, one time defensive player of the year,
Speaker 1: but you know a defensive player the Scortes twenty three game.
Speaker 1: Do you see Memphis cleaning the house and starting over?
Speaker 3: And I think they have to look when they fired
Speaker 3: their coach, when they fired him, at the time in
Speaker 3: space where they fired him, I think, you.
Speaker 2: Know, they made it very clear that they're in a rebuild.
Speaker 3: All the Western Conference teams are trying to add to
Speaker 3: their arsenal, and I think that they're in a rebuild
Speaker 3: situation because I don't believe the players on that roster
Speaker 3: truly believe in the new direction that they're going. Obviously,
Speaker 3: Jah has had pro problems off the court with some
Speaker 3: of his antics, and he's had injuries on the court
Speaker 3: that have an impact on the game.
Speaker 2: So I think it'll be good.
Speaker 3: You know, if I had to choose between Jah and
Speaker 3: Triple J for the for the Griz to kind of
Speaker 3: part ways with, I would like to see that, you know,
Speaker 3: Job move on to maybe a bigger market, you know,
Speaker 3: a bigger opportunity, a new infrastructure, and get him out
Speaker 3: of Memphis, because I think they can get a lot
Speaker 3: of value for him. But I think Jay Triple J
Speaker 3: is one of those players, you know, who's more trustworthy.
Speaker 2: From a demeanor standpoint then Jah.
Speaker 3: I think John needs a fresh start to get some
Speaker 3: infrastructure in him to get to that next level, you know,
Speaker 3: in a disciplined way. So I just I think they're
Speaker 3: in a total rebuild at this moment in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Interesting Jared Jackson, two time All Star, two time Blockchamp,
Speaker 1: three time All Defensive Team and twenty two twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three Defensive Player of the Year, so they'll be an
Speaker 1: interesting team to pay attention to this summer. I heard
Speaker 1: Sean Shams Shams. Shams talk about two or three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: He feels like this is going to be an explosive
Speaker 1: offseason with a lot of people. Should be fun on
Speaker 1: the move before we get off this trade. Do you
Speaker 1: feel what do you feel Orlando with this pickup? Obviously
Speaker 1: with Tatum out, how do you feel Orlando stacks up
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference? Obviously Indiana's in the finals Cleveland.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think a ton of people believed in them.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to see what they're going to be doing.
Speaker 1: But do you think there's an opportunity for you know,
Speaker 1: Orlando to be a top four, top five team?
Speaker 2: Yes, system I do Eastern Conference.
Speaker 4: I really do.
Speaker 3: I really think Orlando has an opportunity to take another step.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a leap, you know, to the
Speaker 4: top of the conference.
Speaker 3: No, but I think they have a step to get
Speaker 3: better than they were this past season. And I think
Speaker 3: Bain will do that for them if they can stay healthy.
Speaker 3: Right because they went through the playoffs without Subgs. Who's
Speaker 3: their league guard and what he brings to the table
Speaker 3: A lot of time doesn't show up in the stat sheet.
Speaker 3: That guy's a former football player, So he'll run through
Speaker 3: a wall, So a lot of the physicality. A lot
Speaker 3: of times we think of physicality as a big man
Speaker 3: in a front court thing, but that guy brings physicality
Speaker 3: and mentality from a point guard position. So I think
Speaker 3: getting him back, they'll have their quarterback back. And I
Speaker 3: think Bain brings some consistency and some professionalism and some
Speaker 3: leadership that he doesn't get a lot of credit for
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, Memphis is a
Speaker 3: small market and so we don't really know, you know,
Speaker 3: on an elite level how good Bain is. But if
Speaker 3: you ask around, and if you watch the tape, and
Speaker 3: if you look at the analytics and the numbers, Bain
Speaker 3: has been proven and I think he improves them offensively
Speaker 3: on a team that was what you said twenty seventh
Speaker 3: in the NBA. So I think they've gotten better in
Speaker 3: the interim. Now what happens with those picks and who
Speaker 3: comes out of that draft.
Speaker 2: We can't see, yep.
Speaker 5: With Orlando's second best defensive grading in the NBA last season,
Speaker 5: and Palo missed almost forty games.
Speaker 1: Over year, So you heard Polo missed forty games, Froan
Speaker 1: missed over twenty and they had the second rated best
Speaker 1: defense in the NBA. So it's gonna be interesting to
Speaker 1: see what Orlando can do uh this upcoming season. Speaking
Speaker 1: of trades, Kevin Durant's name has been hot the last
Speaker 1: handful of days. Possible destinations Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs,
Speaker 1: Houston Rockets, there are probably a few other out there.
Speaker 1: I'm here in the Knicks, possibly Minnesota. Don't see why.
Speaker 1: I don't think you'd probably go to Minnesota. But who
Speaker 1: do you feel like would be the best team to
Speaker 1: not only receive Kevin Durant but not have to gut
Speaker 1: their team to do it. Out of the teams, I
Speaker 1: listed two teams.
Speaker 2: That kind of stick out to me when.
Speaker 3: I think about the salary cap and the eighty five
Speaker 3: percent of matching up those deals are the Spurs. They
Speaker 3: have a lot of draft capital, they have a lot
Speaker 3: of young talent, and they have an opportunity to be
Speaker 3: one or two pieces away from getting to a next level.
Speaker 3: And they come from a high pedigree, you know, franchise
Speaker 3: and now Pop has like you know, left the sideline
Speaker 3: and elevated, so I know Pap is gonna, like, you know,
Speaker 3: be ready for that. But the Spurs in the Heat
Speaker 3: really stand out to me. Those are two intriguing organizations
Speaker 3: that I think will be into Kevin Durant Sweet Steakes
Speaker 3: and just being in South Florida at this moment, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, our city could benefit from having KD in southast.
Speaker 2: I think any city can benefit for having KD.
Speaker 1: I like San Antonio, but I'm gonna keep it in
Speaker 1: Texas and also go with Houston. I think Houston has
Speaker 1: the assets, young pieces, and I think Houston's issue was
Speaker 1: that consistent guy, the guy you know, every single night
Speaker 1: with Katie evers twenty seven a points game this year.
Speaker 1: So even if it's twenty five twenty six next year,
Speaker 1: that consistent twenty six a game night. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: he only missed with eighteen to twenty games this year,
Speaker 1: so he was he was available. To your point earlier,
Speaker 1: I think Houston would be a great landing destination.
Speaker 2: But I totally agree. I just couldn't give up Thompson,
Speaker 2: you know, and they got to figure out what I
Speaker 2: think Thompson's off the table.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thompson is off the table. They got to kind
Speaker 3: of figure out what they're gonna do with Fred. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: Houston would be a great destination And back to your point, man, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant gets buckets. He's always he's a walking bucket.
Speaker 3: But like, what's underrated about KD is his defensive versatility. Defense,
Speaker 3: you know, his ability to protect the rim, his ability
Speaker 3: to switch out on the perimeter and guard smaller defenders.
Speaker 3: He brings a different level on the defensive end that
Speaker 3: I don't think he gets enough credit for. And so like,
Speaker 3: whatever happens at this point in Kd's career, I just
Speaker 3: want to see him get in a position where he
Speaker 3: can he can continue to build on his legacy because
Speaker 3: he's a legacy player and his resume speaks for itself.
Speaker 2: Agreed. Will KD be top ten when it's all setting up? Oh?
Speaker 3: Top ten, boy, that's tough. You know, that's tough, man.
Speaker 3: Let's not go there like ibs. You know, top twenty,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, you know we can
Speaker 3: make you know, we can make that. That's an easy dude.
Speaker 3: Top fifteen, we can debate that. But top ten, Oh,
Speaker 3: it's tough.
Speaker 2: Steph. Will Steph be top ten when it's all sitting hell?
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, Steph is number two all time? You know,
Speaker 3: as a point guard.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, And I know it's a
Speaker 2: hybrid position right now.
Speaker 3: But when you talk about resumes, legacy, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, impact on the game, marketability, durability, all those
Speaker 3: different things. Like you know, to me, Steph is number
Speaker 3: two behind Magic Johnson, A's point guards.
Speaker 2: And we can fight about it. Imagine I'm not even
Speaker 2: arguing with you. Can you imagine what Steph would have
Speaker 2: did if you.
Speaker 1: If the Nike deal didn't get botched, he would probably
Speaker 1: have one of the greatest shoots selling shoes of all
Speaker 1: time if that Nike deal would have went through.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, but you know it's it's a part
Speaker 3: of his journey man. You know, to think about Steph Man,
Speaker 3: he's played, He's played in multi generations. So when Steph
Speaker 3: first got in the league, we used to can hand
Speaker 3: check Steph. He couldn't move around as freely. He had
Speaker 3: ankle injuries early. And he's a guy who like continue
Speaker 3: to grow and get better. And so that's motivaation for
Speaker 3: guys in the league.
Speaker 2: Now. It's not like how you start.
Speaker 3: It's like finding a rhythm, finding a fit, finding your
Speaker 3: niche and mastering that. And I don't think anybody's mastered
Speaker 3: their craft better than Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: Sparks the Fire presented me by Roe Sparks fast Acting,
Speaker 1: long lasting ed treatment.
Speaker 2: I guy.
Speaker 1: Stephen A got caught slipping playing solitary during the NBA Finals,
Speaker 1: claiming it was during the commercial break.
Speaker 2: Sparks are Fire.
Speaker 1: Stephen A is over here bullshitting on his phone playing
Speaker 1: games while the game is going on.
Speaker 2: Is that Sparks or fire?
Speaker 3: You know what that is somebody who has such a
Speaker 3: big capacity to be great and always.
Speaker 4: He's got to figure out ways to you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like, you know, disconnect from.
Speaker 3: The grind during the game. Huh, during the game. Let's
Speaker 3: say it's Sparks Dog, It's Sparks Broka.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You have to actively pursue you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: your relief.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 1: The only reason why I'm going to say it's fires
Speaker 1: because Kevin Durant is the one that posted it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know how KD is man ultimate of the
Speaker 1: troll game.
Speaker 2: I love it. I absolutely love it. Real quick before
Speaker 2: I get you out of here.
Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to catch any of the
Speaker 1: big the World War Big Three this past weekend? Boys
Speaker 1: out there, huh, I've watched there tripping our boys.
Speaker 2: Stack said you better google him.
Speaker 1: I heard Stack was about to get beat up. I
Speaker 1: didn't get to see the whole situation. So he was
Speaker 1: supposed to come on the show and talk about that,
Speaker 1: but I heard Stack almost got some pause. But on
Speaker 1: so Stack, I need to know what's going on. But
Speaker 1: there was a scuffle with Stack where he on the court,
Speaker 1: and then let him know after the game, and then
Speaker 1: Lance Stevenson and Dwight Howard got into a little scuffle.
Speaker 2: But overall, there was.
Speaker 1: Some good games out there that got some new talent
Speaker 1: out there shout out their seas in Montrez Harrold.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of solid players.
Speaker 1: Mike Beasley, coming off his massacre of lands, came out
Speaker 1: in week one of the Big Three and obviously did
Speaker 1: his thing. So what was your takeaway from the Big
Speaker 1: Three this opening weekend?
Speaker 2: So a couple of takeaways.
Speaker 3: The first takeaway, it was extremely entertaining, Like there's a
Speaker 3: lot of guys who are on and off the court,
Speaker 3: on and off the court like it extremely entertaining. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of guys who still got that shit with him.
Speaker 3: They can still hove yes, So I love that part
Speaker 3: of it. I think what has happened too to the
Speaker 3: Big Three is that they've implemented this like there's this
Speaker 3: like troll part of basketball that has like kind of
Speaker 3: come along the way that is borderline disrespectful with the
Speaker 3: antics and things like that, and like at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, you know what I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: like those particular answers. I like competitiveness, I like toughness
Speaker 3: and all that, but like dancing and grabbing and you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, doing too much and pointing and
Speaker 3: touching and all that, Like I don't really like that.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's the best representation of what that
Speaker 3: lead could be. So I think that's a way that
Speaker 3: they can improve, you know. From that, going back to
Speaker 3: Stack real quick, Like, look, if you run up on Stack,
Speaker 3: you just better be you better be prepared, you know,
Speaker 3: for a long time already.
Speaker 2: So at the.
Speaker 3: End of the day, like I know, he's a og,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And he's in his retirement
Speaker 3: and he's like elevating and he's doing things. But Stack
Speaker 3: does a lot for us, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: on and off the court from a motivational standpoint, from
Speaker 3: a success standpoint, from an opportunity standpoint, and so like
Speaker 3: for anybody to have come with Stack, to me, it's
Speaker 3: disrespectful to what like a real true og is. So
Speaker 3: like they need to check that shit at the door, because,
Speaker 3: like he said in the locker room, like I know
Speaker 3: the calls that I get from y'all. Right, he ain't
Speaker 3: throw no names out there or anything like that, but
Speaker 3: like y'all know, Stack could give you the shirt off
Speaker 3: of his back, so he shouldn't have to even be
Speaker 3: in war mode anymore. I think they gotta tone that
Speaker 3: shit down a little bit as far as some of
Speaker 3: the antics and just who because they got a good product,
Speaker 3: They got a great owner over there with ice Cube.
Speaker 3: Now you have Hall of famers coming to your game
Speaker 3: to extend everybody's brand, to make money and to brail
Speaker 3: your network and things like that. And we don't need
Speaker 3: a lot of the bush league shit, like leave that
Speaker 3: shit to the YouTubers and all that, not to minimize
Speaker 3: what they do, because I enjoyed that, just not from
Speaker 3: those particular guys. I don't want to see Hall of Fame,
Speaker 3: the white and Lance running the fade. I just don't
Speaker 3: want to see that. I want to see compete. I
Speaker 3: want to see him dounk. I want to see him
Speaker 3: be athletic. I don't want to see them like tussling,
Speaker 3: going into the crowd and things like that, because we
Speaker 3: all know that at some point that doesn't have a
Speaker 3: positive impact on the brand. It might have a positive
Speaker 3: impact on like the street cred and the clicks and
Speaker 3: things like that, but for that lead to sustain, it.
Speaker 2: Needs to be sterling. It needs to be run the
Speaker 2: right way, and.
Speaker 3: They need to focus on the talent and the marketing
Speaker 3: and do community work and enjoy the victory lap.
Speaker 2: This is a victory lap for those guys.
Speaker 1: Shout out ice Q, happy belated birthday. Birthday just passed,
Speaker 1: but man, shout out Big three. Yes again, whether you
Speaker 1: liked it, loved it, or hated you watched it, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of action on and off the court.
Speaker 2: I'll make it. I'll definitely be tuning in next week.
Speaker 2: I'm going in Miami. They coming to Miami soon, Great,
Speaker 2: I'll be there. I'll be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing some shit when they come to LA
Speaker 1: I think in August. So again, shout out Q man
Speaker 1: that that league the grind he's put in for that
Speaker 1: lead to be where it's at today is very commendable. Man,
Speaker 1: So shout out to our brother k D. Man, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you stopping by. The season is winding down, but
Speaker 1: we still have a couple more shows. Man, I will
Speaker 1: catch up with you soon, my brother.
Speaker 4: All right, cham always good to see you, bro.
Speaker 2: Just let your soul glow, sir, Come on now, yeah,
Speaker 2: just let your forehead grow. I mean li man, I'm
Speaker 2: going to Turkey. I'd be alright eventually. Man, Man, come
Speaker 2: on now, come on now.
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