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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged. I want to welcome my brother

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Speaker 1: into the building. Keyon Dueling, KEYA, what's up with you?

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Speaker 2: Brother? What's up? Champ? How you be?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: I can't call it just out here chilling man. Uh,

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Speaker 1: let's get right into it. Monday Night Game five, Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: City versus Indiana Pacers Oklahoma City one twenty the Pacers

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Speaker 1: one oh nine. What was your biggest takeaway from this game?

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Speaker 1: Was it Jaden Williams forty? Was it Chase thirty one

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Speaker 1: and he is only the fourth player in history to

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Speaker 1: have fifteen to thirty point games in one playoff run?

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Speaker 2: Was it Halliburton not.

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Speaker 1: Converting a basket and finishing with what he had four

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Speaker 1: or six four points and he could be injured?

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Speaker 2: What was your biggest takeaway from the game?

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Speaker 3: So, I would say the biggest takeaway is Jay Dubb,

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Speaker 3: you know, for me tonight dropping forty on the offensive end.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go out on a limb a little bit, Matt.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that j duve is cut from that

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Speaker 3: Scottie pippencloth.

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Speaker 4: Because he locked you up on the defensive end.

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Speaker 3: But he's somebody who can go out and drop forty

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Speaker 3: on you on the biggest stage and be you know

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Speaker 3: that Robin to SGA who is Batman.

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Speaker 2: On a high level. So you're not saying it's a

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Speaker 2: Jordan Pippen combo.

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Speaker 1: You're just saying that he is a Pipping cut from

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Speaker 1: the same cloth as a Pippin.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, because like I believe, like you know, if he

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Speaker 3: goes to his own team and he's the one option, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. I'm not saying that he's in that.

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Speaker 3: Super superstar category, but as that one a as that

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Speaker 3: second option, I think, you know, on the offensive end,

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Speaker 3: a guy who can you know, deliver forty points in

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Speaker 3: a finals game and then you know, be second team

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Speaker 3: all defense. Like, we have to start looking at him

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Speaker 3: in a different way. And I know they're young, so

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Speaker 3: they have to build their resume, so we can't see it.

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Speaker 4: So I'm prophesying a little a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're seeing the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, he's he's one of them. If not, he's

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Speaker 3: probably the best second option in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Jumping out there, since you can see the future, what

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Speaker 1: is the future for your hairline holding? So the future

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Speaker 1: for my hairline holds two different options, right, there was

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Speaker 1: three one.

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Speaker 3: I keep it like this and stay to Kobe. I

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Speaker 3: stay to Bean Bryant. You know what I mean to

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Speaker 3: represent the homie. You know what I mean, at least

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Speaker 3: see the line. They don't grow a lot, but you can.

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Speaker 1: See that that's all Kobe used to do. But Coach Line,

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Speaker 1: you see, it's my dog. But Coach Line was in

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Speaker 1: the middle of his head. Let's keep it real.

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Speaker 2: He just kept far back.

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Speaker 1: But it's you know, but it's it's not there, but

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Speaker 1: it's not that far back.

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Speaker 2: So it's either.

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Speaker 3: Turkey numb bro is hair restoration or it's like you know,

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Speaker 3: Kojack is ballhead.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they said, and Stay's gonna try to get

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Speaker 1: a two for one special.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna go with you. Producer Nate wants to roll

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Speaker 2: with you out there.

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Speaker 3: Listen, man, just because you got your ship like Miami

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Speaker 3: Vice and you got your feeling Michael Thomas going going

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, don't look down on me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Town goat Hey undefeated. But back to the game. I

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Speaker 1: love what Jaylen Williams being able to do only in

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Speaker 1: his third year out of Santa Clair, out of a

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Speaker 1: smaller school and has definitely developed his game. You know,

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Speaker 1: we say stars are born in the playoffs, and I

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Speaker 1: think with probably dropping forty now, he's probably averaging twenty

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Speaker 1: five a game in the finals, if not more. Didn't

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Speaker 2: I like the way McConnell played.

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Speaker 1: If we're switching over to Indiana, he had a nice

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Speaker 1: like when Indiana made that run, when Halliburton was on

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Speaker 3: Matt, let me tell you to that point, man, it's like,

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Speaker 3: how frustrating was it for you as somebody who came

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Speaker 3: off the bench as a spark plug, right, and you

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Speaker 3: had it going that night, right, and you don't get

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Speaker 3: that opportunity, you know, to extend those minutes, right, Those

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Speaker 3: minutes can be decreased if you don't produce. Some coaches

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Speaker 3: many minutes no matter what happens in the game, they're

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Speaker 3: gonna play a particular player. But from what I'm hearing

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Speaker 3: eyes are telling me, Halliburton wasn't at his best tonight

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Speaker 3: health wise, I think he's dealing with something in his body.

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Speaker 2: Of course, he's that guy.

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Speaker 3: He's the guy who you know has made clutch shots

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Speaker 3: a tweet that I thought Rick Carlisle could have leaned

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Speaker 2: But when you come up.

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Speaker 3: And you're over, you know from the three point line

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Speaker 3: what I mean. It's one of those nights where a

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Speaker 3: bench player could be your spark plug. But I understand,

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Speaker 3: it could have been an opportunity where he you know,

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Speaker 3: leaned on the McConnell a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I completely agree, But I think to your point,

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Speaker 1: you always want to lean with your star, especially as Halliburton.

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Speaker 2: It's not like their second or third. I mean, he's their.

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Speaker 1: Guy, you know what I mean, He's the guy Halliburton.

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Speaker 2: Halliburton didn't play well.

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Speaker 1: But I've been lucky, Katie to play for a coaches that,

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously Hollie's been a great closer throughout these playoffs,

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Speaker 1: but he just didn't have it tonight. But that that

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Speaker 1: was he going to No one really knows what is

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Speaker 1: they said CAF Titans during the game, banged his knee

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Speaker 1: But I mean it's here, you know, Perk said, I

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Speaker 1: you know, similar to what you were saying. You know,

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And you got someone else rolling allow them to cook.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think his status will be? Game six?

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Speaker 2: And if they could possibly be pushing a game seven.

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Speaker 2: It's a but will he be effective? What's that? But?

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Speaker 2: Will he be effective?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll be effective or not. You know,

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Speaker 3: the season, you know, when everything is on the line,

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Speaker 3: the best players will show up and show out. So

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Speaker 3: you know, he might have to go see the trainer

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Speaker 3: From its inception, I picked Okay see in six, it's

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Speaker 3: their time, it's their space, like right. If they don't

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Speaker 3: in a championship in six this year, I would be

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Speaker 3: definitely surprised. But Halley's gonna strap up. He's a competitor.

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Speaker 3: Not only is he a competitor, he comes from that pedigree.

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Speaker 3: His dad is so competitive that he'll waive a flag

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Speaker 3: in front of Ananaki, a giant, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: somebody who could like like crush him with a single blow.

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Speaker 3: But I just think that they've ran into a team

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Speaker 3: that's peaking at the right time, Like all the.

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Speaker 4: Stars have aligned for Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 3: They're well coached, They have a great infrastructure from Sam

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Speaker 3: They understand that different guys can step up. So I

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Speaker 3: just believe Oklahoma City is a better team holistically.

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Speaker 1: Yea, and arguably one of the people are saying this

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Speaker 1: could be one of the defensive teams we've seen in

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Speaker 1: greatest or whatever, but these motherfuckers are out here playing

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Speaker 1: defense again. They had fifteen steals cost twenty two turnovers. Yeah, tonight.

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Speaker 1: But I want to also mention Pascal Siakam, who had

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Speaker 1: MVP from Indiana from night in nine now, he's been consistent.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, Cruso is one of their better defenders.

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Speaker 1: He's too small, They've thrown everybody on him, and he's

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Speaker 3: Shout out to you know, past he's you know, he's

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Speaker 3: been solid, right, you know, coming from a small school,

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Speaker 2: Obviously he had the run in Toronto.

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Speaker 3: But if Halle isn't creating certain easy baskets and opportunities

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Speaker 2: It's tough.

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Speaker 3: It's tough for him to like just be highlighted as

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Speaker 3: that way. They win from continuity, they win from depth,

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Speaker 3: they win from their pace. So I don't believe that,

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Speaker 3: my guy Rico Hines as well, because he's been countless

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Speaker 3: hours in the lab, you know what I mean, kind

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Speaker 3: an exceptional player. Kudos to him. It's not of lack

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Speaker 1: Last week I went into their I went into their

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Speaker 2: You gotta get used to him though fucked his ankle.

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Speaker 2: It was that it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a bad like third third degree spray. Everything

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Speaker 4: What's up, Carter? Listen, Cardat look make us so fast.

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Speaker 2: I've been there before, right or so I understand, man.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Listen to your pops. He

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Speaker 1: So you didn't hear when he was getting on he said,

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Speaker 1: You hurt your ankle and I did the same thing

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Speaker 2: You fucked my shit. Uh, same camp, he reminded. He

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Speaker 1: But my worst sprained ankle was the spraining ankle I

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Speaker 1: Long to heal bro But anyway, how was camp your

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Speaker 5: What I took away probably, I mean, I was my shot.

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Speaker 2: But it was a good camp.

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Speaker 4: Hey, card I got a question for you, buddy.

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Speaker 3: Did you find out you good enough to be one

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Speaker 2: So it's a part of our journey.

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Speaker 3: So we have to learn how to carry that out

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Speaker 3: tap into that, like that's that's fucking Matt Barnes. Tap

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Speaker 3: into it. He know a little something.

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Speaker 1: Mh you know what was dope was It was interesting

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Speaker 2: That's just what we think. That's what we talk. They

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Speaker 1: But his shot, he hit a few threes early on,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, went against I think two of the higher ranked

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Speaker 2: That's dope.

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Speaker 1: So with your prognosis, now we got man, we got

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Speaker 2: That's what you're hoping to come back for. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: That's I tell him, like, this is you're officially a

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Speaker 2: Just basketball, like it gets real now.

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Speaker 1: So haven't tell him how a bad your first time

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Speaker 1: the worst shit ever, bro.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd be.

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Speaker 3: Surprised at how like things that you think are punishment

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Speaker 3: to play this game, for a long time, buddy, You

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. You're gonna spend more time sometimes

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Speaker 3: different changes. So you stay encouraged. Man, you in the

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Speaker 3: it before. Like I would just say that, like your

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Speaker 2: He doesn't want you to be like him.

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Speaker 3: He wants you to be better than him, you and

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Speaker 3: agree with me on.

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Speaker 2: That preach MLKD yep.

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Speaker 3: So just like just lock in, just listen to him

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Speaker 3: and then like put your little twist on it and

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Speaker 3: y'all around the round table, you can talk that talk

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Speaker 2: I should have definitely you see his you see mine.

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Speaker 1: We ain't go in your direction, but Carter, before we

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Speaker 1: get you out of here, thoughts on these finals, Man.

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Speaker 2: I think we've seen that the changing of the guards.

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Speaker 1: The guys that me and KD came in with and

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a young finals of the young

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Speaker 1: conference finals. What are your thoughts on the finals so

439
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Speaker 1: far and the young talent that standing out so far?

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Speaker 5: I think that I could say that the league is

441
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Speaker 5: in good hands with this. Uh the league is definitely changing,

442
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Speaker 5: and it's weird to see because you know, like I

443
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Speaker 5: watched him play against his grades like the KDS, Lebron,

444
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Speaker 5: Steph Clay, Kobe k I already said Kitty, but all

445
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 5: those guys and now seeing people like Shay Ali chat

446
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 5: the new wave of the NBA is definitely entertaining. This

447
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Speaker 5: finals has been pretty entertaining, besides a few blogs her there.

448
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Speaker 5: But you know, uh, Andy's and He's a scrappy team

449
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Speaker 5: under our arguably the best team in the NBA. So

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Speaker 5: it's definitely a good finals to watch. And uh, you

451
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Speaker 5: got oh okay he's won.

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Speaker 2: In game six? Yeah, okay, what's over? Appreciate you bro,

453
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Speaker 2: appreciate it man. All right, all right, Champ KD.

454
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Speaker 1: Big trade happened a few days ago. Desmond Bane to

455
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Speaker 1: the Orlando Magic for Calwell, Pope, Cole Anthony and four

456
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Speaker 1: unprotected first round picks. Yeah, and one first round pick swap.

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Speaker 1: So that that pick swop was in the four first

458
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Speaker 1: or is that the fifth? Three in the pick spot? Okay,

459
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Speaker 1: three in the pick spot? Is this too much for

460
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Speaker 1: bane career? Before we before we debate career forty one

461
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Speaker 1: percent shooter five seasons. Uh, The Magic are twenty seventh

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Speaker 1: in offensive rating.

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Speaker 2: And twenty eighth in points per game. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me, first of all, let's break this down.

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Speaker 1: First of all about his fit in Orlando. How do

466
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Speaker 1: you feel he'll fit alongside Polo and Wagner?

467
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Speaker 3: So, I think Banion fit really well. Right, he plays

468
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Speaker 3: both ends of the floor. He shoots a high clip

469
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Speaker 3: from the three point range, you know what I mean.

470
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Speaker 3: He's got extremely short arms, but he's got long range.

471
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Speaker 3: He's a guy who's a proven score, he's competitive, he's tough,

472
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Speaker 3: he's a leader, he's a veteran. So I think it's

473
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Speaker 3: a good fit for Orlando what they're trying to do currently.

474
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Speaker 3: So I do think, you know, it helps them in

475
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Speaker 3: the offensive category because I think they have a lot

476
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Speaker 3: of defensive versatility, They have a lot of youth. They

477
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Speaker 3: got a great young coach and coach Mosley, So I

478
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Speaker 3: think the Orlando Magic, you know, get well in this trade.

479
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Speaker 2: Now what they gave up, that's where the debate.

480
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Speaker 3: Comes in because when you hear for first round picks

481
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Speaker 3: and things like that, you can feel a certain type

482
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Speaker 3: of way. But what they were able to do is well,

483
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Speaker 3: it is able to They were able to offload you

484
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Speaker 3: know KCP, which you know still has two years at

485
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Speaker 3: a high number, right, and they got rid of Cole

486
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Speaker 3: Anthony as well, who still you know, makes a good

487
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Speaker 3: amount of money, so it gives them some flexibility. But

488
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Speaker 3: they also have a proven good point guard now like

489
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Speaker 3: Black at that backup point guard position, you know what

490
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Speaker 3: I mean, brings length, he brings size, he brings pace,

491
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Speaker 3: he brings consistency, and you'll get Suggs back, So you

492
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Speaker 3: don't want to have like Cole Anthony KCP you know,

493
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Speaker 3: at that particular number. So I do think it's a

494
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Speaker 3: good move in the interim for Orlando to address, you

495
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Speaker 3: know what I mean, the lack of scoring.

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Speaker 2: M H.

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Speaker 1: I've always felt I've been a fan of Bane, but

498
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Speaker 1: I've also said that Bane is your second lead the scuare.

499
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like you're a championship contender when I

500
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Speaker 1: say that, with all due respect, but to that point,

501
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Speaker 1: I feel like he's a great third score for this

502
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Speaker 1: team that twenty twenty points, five assists, five rebounds, someone

503
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Speaker 1: like you say, consistent, knockdown shoot. I don't think it's

504
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Speaker 1: much pressure will be on him to score like he

505
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Speaker 1: needed to score in Memphis, so that you know, it'll

506
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Speaker 1: just be able to flow. But with Polo being the

507
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Speaker 1: man and then Bogner being another All Star right next

508
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Speaker 1: to him, I think he's a perfect third option.

509
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Speaker 3: I agree, and it's either him man. He's going to

510
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Speaker 3: a tax free stage. They got a young team, the business,

511
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Speaker 3: the business bization, so I think it's a good move

512
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Speaker 3: for him. What I do think that it's a rebuild

513
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Speaker 3: for Memphis, right, and so you have my next question

514
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Speaker 3: forecast what's gonna happen?

515
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Speaker 2: What moves are they gonna make?

516
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Speaker 1: Is Jared Jackson? Is Jaron Jackson or jaw No, let's

517
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Speaker 1: let's get to it now. I mean, is Jaron Jackson

518
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Speaker 1: or Jaw something that they should talk about.

519
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Speaker 2: I think. I mean, I feel like.

520
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Speaker 1: I feel like obviously Jaws off court trouble drain this team.

521
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Speaker 1: I feel like them not paying Dylan Brooks this team.

522
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Speaker 1: And I was kind of it for that team, you

523
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like they had a good two

524
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Speaker 1: year run where we're looking at Memphis like, oh shit,

525
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Speaker 1: there's a new sheriff in town. Obviously, I feel like

526
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Speaker 1: Joah can get back to that point. He's been a

527
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Speaker 1: little injury riddled. Jared Jackson, someone who's twenty two a game,

528
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Speaker 1: you know, two time defensive Player of the year, one

529
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Speaker 1: time defensive player, one time defensive player of the year,

530
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Speaker 1: but you know a defensive player the Scortes twenty three game.

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Speaker 1: Do you see Memphis cleaning the house and starting over?

532
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Speaker 3: And I think they have to look when they fired

533
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Speaker 3: their coach, when they fired him, at the time in

534
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Speaker 3: space where they fired him, I think, you.

535
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Speaker 2: Know, they made it very clear that they're in a rebuild.

536
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Speaker 3: All the Western Conference teams are trying to add to

537
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Speaker 3: their arsenal, and I think that they're in a rebuild

538
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Speaker 3: situation because I don't believe the players on that roster

539
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Speaker 3: truly believe in the new direction that they're going. Obviously,

540
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Speaker 3: Jah has had pro problems off the court with some

541
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Speaker 3: of his antics, and he's had injuries on the court

542
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Speaker 3: that have an impact on the game.

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Speaker 2: So I think it'll be good.

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Speaker 3: You know, if I had to choose between Jah and

545
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Speaker 3: Triple J for the for the Griz to kind of

546
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Speaker 3: part ways with, I would like to see that, you know,

547
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Speaker 3: Job move on to maybe a bigger market, you know,

548
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: a bigger opportunity, a new infrastructure, and get him out

549
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Speaker 3: of Memphis, because I think they can get a lot

550
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Speaker 3: of value for him. But I think Jay Triple J

551
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Speaker 3: is one of those players, you know, who's more trustworthy.

552
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Speaker 2: From a demeanor standpoint then Jah.

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Speaker 3: I think John needs a fresh start to get some

554
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Speaker 3: infrastructure in him to get to that next level, you know,

555
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Speaker 3: in a disciplined way. So I just I think they're

556
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Speaker 3: in a total rebuild at this moment in my opinion.

557
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Speaker 1: Interesting Jared Jackson, two time All Star, two time Blockchamp,

558
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Speaker 1: three time All Defensive Team and twenty two twenty twenty

559
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Speaker 1: three Defensive Player of the Year, so they'll be an

560
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: interesting team to pay attention to this summer. I heard

561
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: Sean Shams Shams. Shams talk about two or three weeks ago.

562
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: He feels like this is going to be an explosive

563
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: offseason with a lot of people. Should be fun on

564
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Speaker 1: the move before we get off this trade. Do you

565
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Speaker 1: feel what do you feel Orlando with this pickup? Obviously

566
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: with Tatum out, how do you feel Orlando stacks up

567
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference? Obviously Indiana's in the finals Cleveland.

568
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: I don't.

569
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Speaker 1: I don't think a ton of people believed in them.

570
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: It's interesting to see what they're going to be doing.

571
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: But do you think there's an opportunity for you know,

572
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Speaker 1: Orlando to be a top four, top five team?

573
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Speaker 2: Yes, system I do Eastern Conference.

574
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Speaker 4: I really do.

575
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Speaker 3: I really think Orlando has an opportunity to take another step.

576
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's a leap, you know, to the

577
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Speaker 4: top of the conference.

578
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: No, but I think they have a step to get

579
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Speaker 3: better than they were this past season. And I think

580
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: Bain will do that for them if they can stay healthy.

581
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: Right because they went through the playoffs without Subgs. Who's

582
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: their league guard and what he brings to the table

583
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: A lot of time doesn't show up in the stat sheet.

584
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: That guy's a former football player, So he'll run through

585
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: a wall, So a lot of the physicality. A lot

586
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: of times we think of physicality as a big man

587
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: in a front court thing, but that guy brings physicality

588
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: and mentality from a point guard position. So I think

589
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: getting him back, they'll have their quarterback back. And I

590
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: think Bain brings some consistency and some professionalism and some

591
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: leadership that he doesn't get a lot of credit for

592
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Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, Memphis is a

593
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Speaker 3: small market and so we don't really know, you know,

594
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Speaker 3: on an elite level how good Bain is. But if

595
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Speaker 3: you ask around, and if you watch the tape, and

596
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: if you look at the analytics and the numbers, Bain

597
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: has been proven and I think he improves them offensively

598
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: on a team that was what you said twenty seventh

599
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Speaker 3: in the NBA. So I think they've gotten better in

600
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Speaker 3: the interim. Now what happens with those picks and who

601
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Speaker 3: comes out of that draft.

602
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Speaker 2: We can't see, yep.

603
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Speaker 5: With Orlando's second best defensive grading in the NBA last season,

604
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Speaker 5: and Palo missed almost forty games.

605
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Speaker 1: Over year, So you heard Polo missed forty games, Froan

606
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Speaker 1: missed over twenty and they had the second rated best

607
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Speaker 1: defense in the NBA. So it's gonna be interesting to

608
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Speaker 1: see what Orlando can do uh this upcoming season. Speaking

609
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Speaker 1: of trades, Kevin Durant's name has been hot the last

610
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Speaker 1: handful of days. Possible destinations Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs,

611
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Speaker 1: Houston Rockets, there are probably a few other out there.

612
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Speaker 1: I'm here in the Knicks, possibly Minnesota. Don't see why.

613
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Speaker 1: I don't think you'd probably go to Minnesota. But who

614
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Speaker 1: do you feel like would be the best team to

615
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Speaker 1: not only receive Kevin Durant but not have to gut

616
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Speaker 1: their team to do it. Out of the teams, I

617
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Speaker 1: listed two teams.

618
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: That kind of stick out to me when.

619
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Speaker 3: I think about the salary cap and the eighty five

620
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Speaker 3: percent of matching up those deals are the Spurs. They

621
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Speaker 3: have a lot of draft capital, they have a lot

622
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: of young talent, and they have an opportunity to be

623
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: one or two pieces away from getting to a next level.

624
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: And they come from a high pedigree, you know, franchise

625
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: and now Pop has like you know, left the sideline

626
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: and elevated, so I know Pap is gonna, like, you know,

627
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: be ready for that. But the Spurs in the Heat

628
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: really stand out to me. Those are two intriguing organizations

629
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Speaker 3: that I think will be into Kevin Durant Sweet Steakes

630
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: and just being in South Florida at this moment, I think,

631
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: you know, our city could benefit from having KD in southast.

632
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Speaker 2: I think any city can benefit for having KD.

633
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: I like San Antonio, but I'm gonna keep it in

634
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: Texas and also go with Houston. I think Houston has

635
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: the assets, young pieces, and I think Houston's issue was

636
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: that consistent guy, the guy you know, every single night

637
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: with Katie evers twenty seven a points game this year.

638
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: So even if it's twenty five twenty six next year,

639
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: that consistent twenty six a game night. If I'm not mistaken,

640
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: he only missed with eighteen to twenty games this year,

641
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: so he was he was available. To your point earlier,

642
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Speaker 1: I think Houston would be a great landing destination.

643
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: But I totally agree. I just couldn't give up Thompson,

644
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: you know, and they got to figure out what I

645
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: think Thompson's off the table.

646
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thompson is off the table. They got to kind

647
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: of figure out what they're gonna do with Fred. But yeah, no,

648
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: Houston would be a great destination And back to your point, man, Like, yeah,

649
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant gets buckets. He's always he's a walking bucket.

650
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 3: But like, what's underrated about KD is his defensive versatility. Defense,

651
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: you know, his ability to protect the rim, his ability

652
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: to switch out on the perimeter and guard smaller defenders.

653
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: He brings a different level on the defensive end that

654
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: I don't think he gets enough credit for. And so like,

655
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: whatever happens at this point in Kd's career, I just

656
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: want to see him get in a position where he

657
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: can he can continue to build on his legacy because

658
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: he's a legacy player and his resume speaks for itself.

659
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: Agreed. Will KD be top ten when it's all setting up? Oh?

660
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: Top ten, boy, that's tough. You know, that's tough, man.

661
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: Let's not go there like ibs. You know, top twenty,

662
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, you know we can

663
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: make you know, we can make that. That's an easy dude.

664
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: Top fifteen, we can debate that. But top ten, Oh,

665
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: it's tough.

666
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: Steph. Will Steph be top ten when it's all sitting hell?

667
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, Steph is number two all time? You know,

668
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: as a point guard.

669
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, And I know it's a

670
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: hybrid position right now.

671
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: But when you talk about resumes, legacy, you know what

672
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: I mean, impact on the game, marketability, durability, all those

673
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: different things. Like you know, to me, Steph is number

674
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 3: two behind Magic Johnson, A's point guards.

675
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: And we can fight about it. Imagine I'm not even

676
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: arguing with you. Can you imagine what Steph would have

677
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 2: did if you.

678
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: If the Nike deal didn't get botched, he would probably

679
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: have one of the greatest shoots selling shoes of all

680
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: time if that Nike deal would have went through.

681
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, but you know it's it's a part

682
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: of his journey man. You know, to think about Steph Man,

683
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: he's played, He's played in multi generations. So when Steph

684
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 3: first got in the league, we used to can hand

685
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: check Steph. He couldn't move around as freely. He had

686
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: ankle injuries early. And he's a guy who like continue

687
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: to grow and get better. And so that's motivaation for

688
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 3: guys in the league.

689
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: Now. It's not like how you start.

690
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: It's like finding a rhythm, finding a fit, finding your

691
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: niche and mastering that. And I don't think anybody's mastered

692
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 3: their craft better than Steph Curry.

693
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: Sparks the Fire presented me by Roe Sparks fast Acting,

694
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: long lasting ed treatment.

695
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 2: I guy.

696
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: Stephen A got caught slipping playing solitary during the NBA Finals,

697
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: claiming it was during the commercial break.

698
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: Sparks are Fire.

699
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: Stephen A is over here bullshitting on his phone playing

700
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: games while the game is going on.

701
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: Is that Sparks or fire?

702
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: You know what that is somebody who has such a

703
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: big capacity to be great and always.

704
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: He's got to figure out ways to you know what

705
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: I mean, Like, you know, disconnect from.

706
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: The grind during the game. Huh, during the game. Let's

707
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: say it's Sparks Dog, It's Sparks Broka.

708
00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

709
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 4: You have to actively pursue you know what I'm saying,

710
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 4: your relief.

711
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: Hey.

712
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: The only reason why I'm going to say it's fires

713
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: because Kevin Durant is the one that posted it. Yeah,

714
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: and you know how KD is man ultimate of the

715
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: troll game.

716
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: I love it. I absolutely love it. Real quick before

717
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: I get you out of here.

718
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to catch any of the

719
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: big the World War Big Three this past weekend? Boys

720
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: out there, huh, I've watched there tripping our boys.

721
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: Stack said you better google him.

722
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: I heard Stack was about to get beat up. I

723
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: didn't get to see the whole situation. So he was

724
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: supposed to come on the show and talk about that,

725
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: but I heard Stack almost got some pause. But on

726
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: so Stack, I need to know what's going on. But

727
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: there was a scuffle with Stack where he on the court,

728
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: and then let him know after the game, and then

729
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: Lance Stevenson and Dwight Howard got into a little scuffle.

730
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: But overall, there was.

731
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: Some good games out there that got some new talent

732
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: out there shout out their seas in Montrez Harrold.

733
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot of solid players.

734
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: Mike Beasley, coming off his massacre of lands, came out

735
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: in week one of the Big Three and obviously did

736
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: his thing. So what was your takeaway from the Big

737
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: Three this opening weekend?

738
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: So a couple of takeaways.

739
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: The first takeaway, it was extremely entertaining, Like there's a

740
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: lot of guys who are on and off the court,

741
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 3: on and off the court like it extremely entertaining. There's

742
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 3: a lot of guys who still got that shit with him.

743
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: They can still hove yes, So I love that part

744
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: of it. I think what has happened too to the

745
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: Big Three is that they've implemented this like there's this

746
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: like troll part of basketball that has like kind of

747
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: come along the way that is borderline disrespectful with the

748
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 3: antics and things like that, and like at the end

749
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: of the day, you know what I mean, I don't

750
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: like those particular answers. I like competitiveness, I like toughness

751
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: and all that, but like dancing and grabbing and you

752
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: know what I mean, doing too much and pointing and

753
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: touching and all that, Like I don't really like that.

754
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: I don't think that's the best representation of what that

755
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: lead could be. So I think that's a way that

756
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: they can improve, you know. From that, going back to

757
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 3: Stack real quick, Like, look, if you run up on Stack,

758
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: you just better be you better be prepared, you know,

759
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: for a long time already.

760
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: So at the.

761
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: End of the day, like I know, he's a og,

762
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And he's in his retirement

763
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 3: and he's like elevating and he's doing things. But Stack

764
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: does a lot for us, you know what I mean,

765
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: on and off the court from a motivational standpoint, from

766
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: a success standpoint, from an opportunity standpoint, and so like

767
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: for anybody to have come with Stack, to me, it's

768
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: disrespectful to what like a real true og is. So

769
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: like they need to check that shit at the door, because,

770
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: like he said in the locker room, like I know

771
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: the calls that I get from y'all. Right, he ain't

772
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: throw no names out there or anything like that, but

773
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: like y'all know, Stack could give you the shirt off

774
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: of his back, so he shouldn't have to even be

775
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: in war mode anymore. I think they gotta tone that

776
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: shit down a little bit as far as some of

777
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: the antics and just who because they got a good product,

778
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: They got a great owner over there with ice Cube.

779
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 3: Now you have Hall of famers coming to your game

780
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 3: to extend everybody's brand, to make money and to brail

781
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 3: your network and things like that. And we don't need

782
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: a lot of the bush league shit, like leave that

783
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 3: shit to the YouTubers and all that, not to minimize

784
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 3: what they do, because I enjoyed that, just not from

785
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: those particular guys. I don't want to see Hall of Fame,

786
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 3: the white and Lance running the fade. I just don't

787
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: want to see that. I want to see compete. I

788
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: want to see him dounk. I want to see him

789
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: be athletic. I don't want to see them like tussling,

790
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: going into the crowd and things like that, because we

791
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: all know that at some point that doesn't have a

792
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: positive impact on the brand. It might have a positive

793
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: impact on like the street cred and the clicks and

794
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 3: things like that, but for that lead to sustain, it.

795
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: Needs to be sterling. It needs to be run the

796
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: right way, and.

797
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: They need to focus on the talent and the marketing

798
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 3: and do community work and enjoy the victory lap.

799
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: This is a victory lap for those guys.

800
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: Shout out ice Q, happy belated birthday. Birthday just passed,

801
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: but man, shout out Big three. Yes again, whether you

802
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: liked it, loved it, or hated you watched it, there's

803
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: a lot of action on and off the court.

804
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: I'll make it. I'll definitely be tuning in next week.

805
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 2: I'm going in Miami. They coming to Miami soon, Great,

806
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: I'll be there. I'll be there.

807
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing some shit when they come to LA

808
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: I think in August. So again, shout out Q man

809
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: that that league the grind he's put in for that

810
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: lead to be where it's at today is very commendable. Man,

811
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: So shout out to our brother k D. Man, I

812
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: appreciate you stopping by. The season is winding down, but

813
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: we still have a couple more shows. Man, I will

814
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: catch up with you soon, my brother.

815
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 4: All right, cham always good to see you, bro.

816
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: Just let your soul glow, sir, Come on now, yeah,

817
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: just let your forehead grow. I mean li man, I'm

818
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: going to Turkey. I'd be alright eventually. Man, Man, come

819
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 2: on now, come on now.

820
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: Before we get out of here, our partner's over at

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Speaker 1: You can catch us on the DraftKings Network and the

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00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,200
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