1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Bucky back together again. Buck. How you doing man, Man, 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm I'm really good. DJ has been a 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: really good day. Um. We have some great stuff that 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: we're going to share on the podcast. UM, this one 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: in later. But the Urban Meyer conversation that we have 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: was fantastic, man, just believable. And people, we're not we're 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: not talking. We're not talking about the Urban Meyer conversation 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: we had, you know a few months back. We're talking 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: about the brand new Urban Meyer conversation had him back 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: on to kind of take this conversation to the next 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: level on leadership, team building as well as you know, 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: some of the individual things he looks for players that 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: we've seen go on to be very successful, highly drafted players, 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: highly successful players in the NFL. So we got a 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: chance to really do a deeper dive with Coach Meyer, 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: and that's something that we're gonna put the majority of 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: that interview is gonna is gonna on on our next 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: audio podcast. We are going to play a snippet of 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: it today on Today's audio podcast but Buck, before we 22 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: get into all the things we're gonna touch on today, 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: which is gonna be a fun episode, I do want 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: to uh give some folks some news out there. I 25 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: tease this on Twitter yesterday that we had some news 26 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna announce on the show today. And that's because 27 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: this is not just an audio world. This is not 28 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: just a digital world. Uh, this is a television show. Now, Buck, 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: we uh, we got big news here. I wants you 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: tell the folks what's coming up. Yeah. So the Moodsticks 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: uh podcast will now be broadcast on NFL network. We 32 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: will go Thursday. What was the exact time, DJ Thursday 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 1: six eastern, six pm Eastern every Thursday. Yeah. So this 34 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: this is a great opportunity for us to bring the 35 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: podcast to life. And look, nothing is going to change 36 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: in terms of how we go about our business, but 37 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: now we just kind of get to spread it to 38 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: the masses and you get to see our pretty faces 39 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: when we do it exactly. Uh So we're gonna we're 40 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of fun with that show. And uh, 41 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: I hope you guys if you've been loyalists, and we 42 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: have a very loyal following here, and we appreciate all 43 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: you guys and all the nice reviews you've left that 44 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: left us on social media as well as on Apple podcasts. Um. So, 45 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: we've got a close knit family here, this move the 46 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: Sticks family. So I want to share that news with 47 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: you guys that Thursday. Uh, you can catch the show 48 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: six pm Eastern, so be on the lookout for that. Um. 49 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: But today's show, Buck, we are going to talk about 50 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: the future of scouting and how the coronavirus could change 51 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: things going forward in the scouting community. UM. We're gonna 52 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: get into some of the top edge rushers. You're gonna 53 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: go ahead and download us on that the top edge 54 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: rushers we look at in the NFL right now. And 55 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: then we're gonna air a little bit of that Urban 56 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: Meyer interview and we're gonna get to that at the 57 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: top of the show here Buck, because I want to 58 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: get his thoughts and it was fun to talk to 59 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: him about this documentary. This the last Dance documentary on ESPN, 60 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: which everybody's been riveted by because it it does that 61 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: deep dive into Michael Jordan's and those Bowls teams that 62 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: were so successful and what made him tick. Um But 63 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: coach My had some facinating things to say about Michael 64 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: Jordan's and what he's learned from that. But before we 65 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: get to coach, I'd love to get your thoughts, your 66 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: takeaways on the dock. Man. I love the documentary and uh, 67 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: I can say, like my love affair with Michael Jordan 68 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to his time in North Carolina, 69 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: obviously growing up in North Carolina, being a Tar Heel 70 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: fan watching all those games. Um, look, man, I've always 71 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: revered him, and you know some of that started when 72 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: he hit the shot versus Georgetown as a national champion, 73 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: then watching him grow and kind of become a dominant 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: player under Dean Smith. But then when he goes to 75 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: Chicago and he goes from being perceived as just a 76 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: score who can't win championships to ultimately being the the 77 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: best winner that we've seen in that game in terms 78 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: of look being six and oh and I'm not saying 79 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: that he compares with like Bill Russell who won UH 80 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: ten or eleven championships, but just the way that he 81 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: dominated the air to three piece that they pulled off 82 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: to now go behind the scenes and kind of pull 83 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: back the curtain. I think the thing that I learned, Uh, 84 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: for him is just a competitiveness. UM just how much 85 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: he loved winning and that desire to win, UM like 86 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: went beyond the basketball court, Like he just wanted to 87 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: win at everything. And you know, I think he's a 88 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: special competitor because man winners just like winning. They want 89 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what it is, whether he's uh flipping 90 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: pennies with the security guys, playing golf with Danny Ainge 91 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: before playoff games, playing cards with his buddies. I know 92 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: people that know him that have talked about how he 93 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: refuses to let you get up from the table when 94 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: they're playing something until he wins. And I just think 95 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: it's just a great lesson because so many times we 96 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: hear people talk about I mean we know this from 97 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: scouting when we talked to young guys. Hey, you know, 98 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: I want this guy too. I want to be this guy. 99 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: I want to be great. But man, are you really 100 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: trying to do the things to really be great? And 101 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: can I see that in your actions? Do do they 102 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: line up? And I think what we're seeing a great 103 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: appreciation for Jordan's and the excellence that he displayed as 104 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: a player is fascinating TV to watch for me. Yeah. 105 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: The thing I was thinking about was really kind of 106 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: if you think about the special teams, and I think 107 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: you can go to any sport you'll find a lot 108 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: of this. Uh is the case when your best player 109 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: is your best worker and your best leader, like all 110 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: those three things together, Like this guy's the limit, man. 111 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: Like you can see teams come and go with a 112 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: with a great player who doesn't have the other two, 113 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: or you can see the great leaders that aren't necessarily 114 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: the great players are the great workers that aren't either 115 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: the other two. When you have all three of those 116 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: in one person like that, and obviously they surround him 117 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: with help and they did a good job. I think, Um, 118 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Krauss gets abused on there. Obviously I've 119 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: never met him while he was alive, don't know anything 120 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: about him. The guy put together some pretty good teams, man, 121 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,799 Speaker 1: He drafted some good players and made some good moves. 122 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: But man, they hated him. But I think that was 123 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: kind of my takeaway was that when you kind of 124 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: look at those all time great teams they have that 125 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: think about think about you know, Tom Brady is probably 126 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: the closest thing we have in the football world. Um 127 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: Brady wasn't even as talented. You know, you wouldn't say 128 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 1: that he's if you just had a you know, quarterback challenge, 129 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: he was not going to be the guy that won that. 130 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: But he was talented, just not the most talented. But 131 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: then you had the great the great worker, the great leader, 132 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: and a great player, just not you know, the elite 133 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: player that Mike was. That's why what Michael did is 134 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: so different than everybody else because he was undoubtedly the 135 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: most talented player to go along with those other two qualities, 136 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: you know, dj Um, I think the terms that I 137 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 1: use when when it comes to describing someone like Jordan 138 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: is what we all aspired to kind of have around 139 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: our teams and what we want our blue chip talents 140 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: with blue color mentalities, meaning they are high level of talents, 141 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: but they go to work like underdogs. And with Jordan, 142 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: is is really unique to see a guy who is 143 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: clearly the best guy in the room, the best guy 144 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: on the floor, each and every time he steps on 145 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: the floor. But then you watch him run the sprints 146 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: and he's first. You watch him in the weight room 147 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: and he's doing extra. You watch um and see how 148 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: demanding he is of his teammates, and his peers, but 149 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: he is, you know, kind of walking it like he 150 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: talks it. That's uncommon and it's hard. It's hard for 151 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: a guy who could cruise to challenge himself to be 152 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: at his best. And I think the best thing about 153 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: the documentary has been the part that they've shown when 154 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: he was on set at space Jam and those pickup 155 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: games and he's coming back after the loss and he 156 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: invites all of the best players to come and he 157 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: not only wants to compete with them, he's studying them 158 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: while he competes with them. And I just I just 159 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: believe that that is next level competitiveness, um from I 160 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: mean an exceptional player and athlete. Yeah, I think the 161 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: um you know. The other thing that really stood out 162 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: to me when you when you study that is the 163 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: scene Buck where he goes they lose to Orlando and 164 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: he's just come back. They lose to Orlando in the playoffs, 165 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: and his personal trainer goes all right after the game, 166 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: like all right, I'm heading out of town, like just 167 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: let me know, uh, you know, when you want to 168 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: get together and start working out. He goes tomorrow Like 169 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: I was just like, like you said, there are so 170 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: many times in this watching the show where you just 171 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: kind of you sit up straight and just go This 172 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: dude is wired so differently. Uh, I mean he is. 173 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: That's why I tweeted out, like, let's retire the word savage. 174 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: Stop referring to these players. This guy is a savage. 175 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: This guy's a maniac. No, no, no, there's only one 176 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: savage and one maniac. This guy is on another planet 177 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: with how he's wired. He's wired differently, and he looks 178 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: for anything and everything for motivation. Um, when Nick Anderson 179 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: leaked out like, hey, that forty five is a lot 180 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: different between three, and you're just like why why why 181 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: I poked the bear? Bj Armstrong, you had a great night? Why? 182 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: Like why, like why take an opportunity to pope the bear? 183 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: And then Michael just being i mean the ultimate competitor 184 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: the next day and the poor was it le Bradford 185 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: Smith clip that his voice had a good night? Poor guy? 186 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: Love it though, But if that's your best player and 187 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: he responds like that, you have no choice but respond 188 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: like that when you were a teammate, you know, And 189 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: so I think that is the thing he had, I mean, 190 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: high standards for everyone around. But ultimately, guys live up 191 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: to that, UM, and I just think it's a unique 192 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: quality and we'll see and I think it'd be you. 193 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,479 Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to see Tom Brady and tom Brady's 194 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: imprint and impact with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, because it's 195 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: one thing to be Bruce Arians and to talk about 196 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: those things and to have a level of success. It's 197 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: another thing to bring on the goat who has one 198 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: at the highest level. He is going to not only 199 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: challenge the players, He's gonna challenge the coaches with his 200 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: presence and with his expectation. So we'll get a chance 201 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: to see how great Bruce Arians is because I think 202 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: Tom Brady is going to challenge him to raise his 203 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: game as a coach. Yeah, I mean, I think that's 204 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: kind of the whole point of it is that this 205 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: this is a this is a man who just forced 206 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: everybody else to give their best and they might not 207 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: like it, um, which is something that I actually let's 208 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: let's just roll into it here because I don't want 209 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: to spoil it here because this is a conversation we 210 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: have with Urban Meyer about this documentary, and I think 211 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: some of his insights you'll see piggyback, some of the 212 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: things we're saying, but also some unique insights from from 213 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: a coach Meyer who obviously, um, it takes a competitor, 214 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: no competitor, and and and urban Meyer's reputation in that 215 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: regard is well known. So here's a coach urban Meyer's 216 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: thoughts son the Michael Jordan documentary, Well, my whole family 217 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: is measumerized by it, and I think it gets better 218 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: each week. I actually just spoke to a college football team. 219 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: I got another one coming up, and I opened up 220 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: with that clip and the clip about uh, I'm paraphrase 221 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: of Michael Jordan Royer. It was basically the scene was 222 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: that he rubbed players their own way, which I think 223 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: that's great. Uh. Leaders, I've seen many leaders. Great leaders 224 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: failed because they're worried about I hate to say it 225 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: and it sounded harsh, but you're worried about feelings. And 226 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, if you're 227 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: a leader, you have a job to do, and that's 228 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: elevate those around you. And Michael Jordan's that's one of 229 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: the greatest when he said, uh, winning you have to 230 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: pay a price. There's a price to winning, and there's 231 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: a price to leadership. That's one of the greatest from 232 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: the arguably the one of the greatest players in any 233 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: sport of all time. That's one of the greatest pieces 234 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: I've ever seen, and I've already used it. I'm a 235 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: handful of times. I get chills as I speak about it. 236 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: Right now. I mean that that's what they really well 237 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: done documentary. But I hope people really listen with intent, 238 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: because you can get so much from this interview. I mean, 239 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: he's awesome. Hey, coach. One of the things that I've 240 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: heard you talk about when it comes to looking, uh 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: for players recruits, you said the competitiveness is the number 242 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: one trade and looking at that Michael Jordan's documentary, does 243 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: that kind of tie everything that you believe in when 244 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: it comes to looking for excellent players? It does, And 245 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: we have criteria that's set and the number one common 246 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: denominator of every great athlete, every great coach, every great 247 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: person in corporate America, every great military leader, is the 248 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: competitive spirit. It's called elite competitive spirit, you know. And 249 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: unfortunately you look up the word competitor in the English 250 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: in the dictionary and it says a person who takes 251 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: part in an athletic event. I cannot disagree with that. More. 252 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: That's not a competitor, that's a participant, which is fine, 253 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: and that's where people understand. That's the majority of people 254 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: that walk the planet are participants. However, when you start 255 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: talking about the Michael Jordan's or the High State Buckeyes, 256 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: New England Patriots, Alabama Cripts and time, you know I'm 257 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: talking about ordinary, we're talking about elite. Well back, it 258 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: was great and mean, it was so good to talk 259 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: to coach about that, and you know, talking about the 260 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: price of winning, you know, there's a cost involved here, 261 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: And I thought that was a great It was a 262 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: great clip from Mike, and I thought Coach Meyer did 263 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: a great job explaining why it was important. Oh, I mean, 264 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: I think it was a great clip for Mike, but 265 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: I think it was even better, uh, from Coach Meyer 266 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: what he talks about. And obviously you can tell the 267 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: way Coach Meyer talks how he's wired. Man, he is 268 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: an ultimate competitor, Like he loves winning and he loves 269 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: seeing that in guys that are around him. And I 270 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: think you get the sense that, hey, man, he doesn't 271 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: mind ruffling a few feathers to get the desired result. 272 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: And I think leadership requires that. And so as we 273 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: take it back to Michael Jordan, there was a lot 274 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: of conversation about this documentary's going to make him look 275 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: bad and it's not all touchy philly, but I think 276 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: what he's doing is letting people know leading is hard, 277 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: winning championships even harder, and to do it as the 278 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: best player and the ultimate leader sometimes it requires guys 279 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: to kind of get um their feel insert. And I 280 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: actually have a greater appreciation for Michael Jordan now after 281 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: looking at this and I think what urban has done 282 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: um throughout his career and winning and stuff. I think 283 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: he is letting you know, hey, man, look I made 284 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: some mistakes along the way, and I know I may 285 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: not have been the nicest, but sometimes you have to 286 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: do those things to get every ounce of performance out 287 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: of your teams. And there's certainly not a lot of 288 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: a lot of regret because ultimately it's about winning. Well. 289 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: I just think of Nick Saban has that that line 290 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: I can want to remembered exactly it's either four. It's 291 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: either fourth and one every day or its fourth and 292 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: goal every day. Like that's the tension that that Nick 293 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: Saban has around that building and it's exhausting. Like you 294 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: see all the coaches that have rolled through there, it's 295 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: exhausting to to work under him because it's everything is 296 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: on the line, A championship is on the line every day. 297 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: I mean when you hear the story about him and 298 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: Steve Kerb getting into the fight, you know, we always 299 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: heard that, you know that he had punched Steve Kerb, 300 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: but never heard I had never heard the full story 301 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: explain the way it was explained from both guys. But 302 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a training camp practice, like 303 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: good night, like this was. It was literally from day 304 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: one of practice that year, it was just a war. 305 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: And he looked at it as you were gonna live 306 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: or die every single day. And I think when we 307 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: look in the football world, Nick Saban is a great 308 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: example that Urban Meyer was a great example that, um 309 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. Yeah, I think it's fascinating, and I think 310 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: it it's it has to be demanding like that. If 311 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: you can get that kind of UM performance, I think 312 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: you have to find ways to create uh pressure. What 313 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: kind of pressure can you create? How can you sustain it? 314 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: How can you continue to get your guys to give 315 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: maximum performance? All those things matter and the level of 316 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: performance that is required to stay at the top exceeds 317 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: what most people are willing to give out, and so 318 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: you have to find ways to get it out of people. 319 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: And so sometimes it takes being demanding and being more 320 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: demanding than people can even imagine, no doubt, was again 321 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: a fascinating conversation. I think you guys will enjoy the 322 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: rest of our conversation with Urban Meyer. You can catch that. 323 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: We'll actually have some of it on the show on Thursday, 324 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: on the television show in the Way, or the rest 325 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: of it on the audio program audio podcast later on 326 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: in the week. So'll be on the lookout for that. 327 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: Uh buck. I want to talk about briefly here just 328 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: the future scouting, how things are going to change, because 329 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: we've talked about this on the phone. Um, I don't 330 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: know we've ever really talked about on the podcast with 331 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: what's going on in this current situation we are in 332 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: with the coronavirus and how that impacts not only whether 333 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: teams are gonna play, and people talk about is the 334 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: NFL coming back? Is college football coming back? Well, let's 335 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: just go into the assumption that college football and NFL 336 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: football are coming back, and so college football is going 337 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: to have their regular practice schedule, They're gonna have their 338 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: full game schedule. What does that mean for scouts? And 339 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: the first thing I thought of was, Man, if you're 340 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: a college, you're probably not gonna want a bunch of 341 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: these scouts that have been staying in hotels all over 342 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: the country, um coming into your facility. What you're trying to, 343 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, maintain a is uh as clean of an 344 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: environment as possible. And so I think there's gonna be 345 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: a real chance that scouts will not be invited onto campuses. 346 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: And if that happened fifteen years ago, it would have 347 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: been kind of it would have been nearly impossible to 348 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: do your job right because we were doing using beta tapes, 349 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: which you would get you had to go into the 350 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: school physically to watch their games because we wouldn't get 351 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: their games until later in the year, and you have 352 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: to get those tape ship to your house. Well, now 353 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: every scout can watch that on their their on their tablets, 354 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: so you have all the games. You don't need to 355 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: necessarily go into school to get the game tape. That's 356 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: number one. Number two, you would need to go in 357 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: there to talk with the sources, talk to the strange coach, 358 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: talk to the trainer, academic advisor, all those things. Well, 359 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: now we've seen not only could you do that over 360 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: the phone, but you can do that over with zoom, 361 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: so you could still see each other and communicate that way, 362 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: there's a way to get that information without physically going 363 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: to the school. And then number three is body type. 364 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: You like to get there and watch these guys body 365 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: type and move around, Well, they could make you know 366 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: the first two periods of practice, which is glorified patent go, 367 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: which means you just really playing catch out. They're moving around, 368 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: going through individual drills. You're not gonna learn anything that 369 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: would help you from a competitive advantage if an opponent 370 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: got their hands on it. But you can still body 371 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: type the players. So I think you can do all 372 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: those things remotely, And I honestly would not be surprised 373 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: if that's what the fall look like from the scouting world. 374 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: Oh I I think it very well could look like that. Um. 375 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: I wonder because we always as scouts have to take 376 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: um the lead from the colleges. Because you remember sitting 377 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: in those rooms and DJ remember we used to have 378 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: to get all the restrictions in and highlight what the 379 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: restrictions are, and so as you're building your schedule out, Oh, 380 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't go to these schools during this 381 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: time because they're quote unquote closed. So now I gotta 382 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: rework my schedule. Um, I do wonder how many schools 383 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: are going to be open, and so if many schools 384 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: aren't open, or if they're open, just doing these times, 385 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: what are scouts going to do if I can't travel 386 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: all over it? Does it now become a remote job 387 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: that we're doing from home? Um, you know, kind of 388 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: tied to the computer and the TV at the house 389 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: and I'm doing everything there. And then I have a 390 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: schedule set of zoom calls that I have to make 391 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: sure that I navigate and organize. Or our teams just 392 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: going to have a this is the one day where 393 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: everyone can call in and zoom. I think it's going 394 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 1: to be up. I mean, it gonna be a lot 395 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: of kind of balls to juggle when it comes to 396 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: planning how you go about scouting, and it will no 397 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: longer be the way that we've always done it, and 398 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to adjust. And I just can't 399 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: imagine how difficult or how challenging. It's going to be 400 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: to navigate around all the different circumstances that you have 401 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: in various parts of the country. I think it's never 402 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: gonna be more of a premium placed on experience than now, 403 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: because it's not only have you been doing this job 404 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: for a long time, that's one thing, but you've developed 405 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: these relationships with these coaches and these sources at school, 406 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: so they're comfortable with talking with you on the phone 407 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: or talking to you over Zoom when you go into 408 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: you know, because the schools will set it up. They'll say, okay, 409 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: Tuesdays and Thursdays at Oregon eight am, scouts can log 410 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: onto Zoom and we'll have our strength coach at nine 411 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: am will have the trainer. That's where you get kind 412 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: of that generic pool information, right, which is gonna basically 413 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: tell you the basic stuff. You know, this is what 414 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: he weighed as a freshman, he had in high ankle 415 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: sprain his sophomore year. That's not going to give you 416 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: the good stuff about how this guy works, how he's wired. 417 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: Their their unfiltered opinion on the player, which is something 418 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: that's very important during the scouting process when you have 419 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: those private calls, though with those same people and you 420 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: have an existing relationship with them, you get good information. 421 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: And think back, you know it's gonna suck for the 422 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: young scouts because think back, when we were young starting out, 423 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: you would you would kind of buddy up with an 424 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: old head, uh you know which we would call those 425 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: old scouts that had known these guys for years, and 426 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: they'd say, okay, hey, look, uh we're gonna go talk 427 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: to the academic advisor. Come with me. So you tag 428 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: along with him, they'd introduce you, you get to know him, 429 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: and then you got the good information. Um, and that's 430 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 1: kind of how you start to build those relationships up 431 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: over time. Well, if you're a young scout, now you're 432 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: just you're in a name, you're a name. When you 433 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: call the school and say I want to talk to 434 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: the strength coach, well he doesn't know you from Adam. 435 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: So you're gonna get the most vanilla, bland information you 436 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: could ever get. And that's why I think experienced scouts 437 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: are going to be more valuable this year than ever before. 438 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: And and look, dj is is great because for so 439 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: long it seemed like scouts were being phased out, um 440 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: and and old school guys who listened to the program 441 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: will understand there's a difference between a scout and what 442 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: we call an information gatherer and information gatherers a guy 443 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: that can go to the school. He can get all 444 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: the background and get the numbers from the strength coach 445 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: and uh, talk to everybody and kind of compiled all 446 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: the character stuff or whatever. A scout. A scout can 447 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: get that stuff. But what a scout does is he's 448 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: an evaluator. A scout can look at a player, he 449 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: can actually assess who he is and what he is, 450 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: and he can project what he will be at the 451 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: next level. And we've been in rooms where you know 452 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: you are with a scout, a guy who can tell you, hey, 453 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: this guy reminds me of this guy in a look 454 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: at this play and watch this ben. It reminds me 455 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: of somebody in yesteryear. And because I've seen that player 456 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: do it, I know this guy is going to do it. 457 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: That's the difference. And those teams that haven't invested in 458 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: adding those guys to the program, adding those guys to 459 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: kind of like the scouting circle to the room, those 460 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: are the teams that are going to fall behind because 461 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: what we've seen and I think we saw in the 462 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: draft the teams that traditionally have a bunch of quote 463 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: unquote scouts on their team understand how to find players. 464 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: And we saw those teams get good players in the draft. 465 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: And we're gonna see And I mentioned this a little 466 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: bit towards the end of the process last year with 467 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: the coaches getting involved, less group think because you didn't 468 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: have all the coaches coming together at Pro Day, so 469 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: there was well, now, imagine what it's gonna look like now, 470 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: because what happens is scouts, you you go into schools together, 471 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: you see each other all over the road, and you 472 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: talk about players, and you kind of end up forming 473 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: this group thinking unanimous consent of who the top guys 474 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: are at every position. Now, if every single scout is 475 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: at their house, you know, you've got thirty two West 476 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: Area scouts. They don't see each other at all, they're 477 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: all in their individual homes, all watching players. You're gonna 478 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: get a wide variety of opinion on these guys. I 479 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: mean it's like it's almost like the uh, what is 480 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: it the telephone game or whatever. You put everybody in 481 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: different rooms and kind of see if they give the 482 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: same story type thing, like they're not gonna have the 483 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: same story. Man, It's gonna be wildly different evaluations. It's 484 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: gonna be wildly different evaluations. But I love it though, 485 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 1: because for so long and we've seen it, we've been 486 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: on the road, we've seen guys that that kind of 487 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: siphon information off people. They siphon opinions off of people. 488 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: They sit in the back of the room and they 489 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: hope that it's a day where a bunch of guys 490 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: are in there and they can talk. Keep talking, boys, 491 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: We'll get them right. I can't. I can distinctly remember 492 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: one scout saying in the room one time, Hey, just 493 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: keep keep talking, boys, we'll we'll figure these guys out here. 494 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: We're figured out. And so what they do is they 495 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: just kind of like sit and listen and swish all 496 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: the opinions around, and then they spit out their report. 497 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: You're now going to see the guys who can evaluate, 498 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: the guys who have to study. And even though you're 499 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: working at home, you're going to have to study more 500 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: because you're not going to be able to lean on 501 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: these conversations to confirm or validate your opinion. You're gonna 502 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: have to really dig down and a man do I 503 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: really like this player? Am I willing to put a 504 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: big great on this player? Why does it merit this? 505 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: In those things? And it'll be a little refreshing. I think, Um, 506 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: some of the old school scouts will finally get there 507 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: due because I do believe DJ there was a time 508 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: where they were pushing those guys out and they were 509 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: replacing them with kind of the cheaper model, the cheaper 510 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: guys that can kind of come in and do everything 511 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: that you want, but at a very very low price point. 512 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that experience will be valued in that it 513 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: really really matters. I think it's gonna be innaesing to 514 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: see how it all goes down. Man. Uh, let's get 515 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: to some of these edge rushers, buck um looking at 516 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: what their traits are that you look for in edge rushers, 517 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: and then uh, some of the guys you're fired up 518 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: about the you know, DJ like it is funny right 519 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: because Um, we get into this exercise about edge rushers, 520 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: and I think what happens in our business. We get 521 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: so conditioned to hear the same names, right, the same 522 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: names over and over again because they've been stars, because 523 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: they still continue to get nominated to go to Pro Bowls, 524 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: But you know, it's a it's a different time. I 525 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: think the traits that I look for um and pass rushers. 526 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: The first thing I look at is get off um. 527 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: The guys that to traditionally get ten plus sacks in 528 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: this league are explosive off of the ball. UM. Some 529 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: of that has been my experience, like watching Bruce Smith 530 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: and Derrick Thomas and Reggie White and those guys all 531 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: Hall of famers play. But then of late, when you've 532 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: seen these guys that have been able to consistently twelve thirteen, 533 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: fourteen sacks, their snap count, anticipation and their first step 534 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: quickness jumps off the tape. The other thing that I'm 535 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: looking for is how many tools are they? Do they 536 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: have in the toolbox? Uh? Can they win with speed? Uh? 537 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: Can they win with power? Do they have enough wiggle 538 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: to work inside? Do they have a spin move? Are 539 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: they a picture that can throw a fastball to change 540 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: up in a curve? How many different ways can they 541 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: get to the quarterback? And does that enable them to 542 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: get there consistently. I'm looking for those things, And then 543 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: the final thing is can they finish so much of 544 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: being a great pass Russia? It's not just getting to 545 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: the quarterback, but can they get them to the ground. 546 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: And a lot of times we've seen these guys that 547 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: can get there, but they just miss. I want to 548 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: see guys that can collect and get guys to the ground. 549 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: I'll ask you, what do you look for in pass 550 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: rushas don't. Well, it's interesting because I went back and 551 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: watch I like watching the sack tapes at the end 552 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: of after the drafts over, I like to go back, 553 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: kind of refresh my eyes a little bit and watch 554 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: some some pro guys. And I like to watch cut ups. 555 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: So I'll take their all their sacks from last year 556 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: and I'll just pick out a handful of guys that 557 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: I want to study. And obviously, we've talked so much 558 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: about von Miller over the years, you know, we've talked 559 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: about J. J. Watt Um, Aaron Donald, a lot of 560 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: these guys we've we've discussed. But I want to talk 561 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: watch some other guys that have had tremendous production, but 562 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't feel like necessarily get as much attention as 563 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: they should. And I started with Chandler Jones. Uh, somebody's 564 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 1: been he is so good man, he is so productive. Obviously, 565 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: Then I want to watch him. There's not a lot 566 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: of gimmes there, and we talk about get off right, 567 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: that's the most important thing. He's got a good get off. 568 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say he has an elite get off. 569 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: What he has is length and he's got unbelievable hands. 570 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: And the other thing that I would say about him 571 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: that really jumped out Buck is you kind of have 572 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: your initial rush, which is when you can you let 573 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: you see guys win right off the snap right boom, 574 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a move, it's a club swim, 575 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,719 Speaker 1: it's an inside counter, it's a win right now. And 576 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: then a lot of times what you have is your 577 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: initial rush gets stuck and then how do you how 578 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: do you go off that initial rush? What's your secondary rush? 579 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: And he is phenomenal with that. If he if he 580 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: tries to bull rush a guy right, he gets a tackle, 581 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: he gets in his chest, he goes back one two, 582 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: two and a half steps, and then that guy sits 583 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: on him right, he squats, he stops his charge. Then 584 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: he has the ability to escape. He has he'll use 585 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: his hands, he'll free himself and then he picks up sacks. 586 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: So that is that secondary rush. Is what makes him special. 587 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: I think sometimes we can get caught up with do 588 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: you win right now? And a lot of times those 589 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: are those are the pretty sacks, But a lot of 590 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: the sacks aren't pretty. It's what you do after you've 591 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: been blocked. And remember Howard mud flipping it around talking 592 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: about offensive lineman. He said he will put them in 593 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: drills where they're beat, and then I want to see 594 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: how can you recover? What's the exact opposite with the 595 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 1: defensive lineman. You can see now that you're stuck, how 596 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: do you escape? And I think that's one of the 597 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: lessons I learned from watching Chandler Jones. You know, it's 598 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: funny DJ, Likeking in ranking these guys. Um he was 599 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: at the top and it wasn't necessarily what I went 600 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 1: searching for. But when you go looking and you're like, 601 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: hey man, this this dude is a dominant player, and 602 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: you watch how he works. You talked about he's a 603 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: worker bee that wears you down. He has length, he 604 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: has talent, he has counter moves, he has relentless effort 605 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: and energy pursuing the ball. And then you look at 606 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: the production DJ and six of the last seven years 607 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: he's had more than ten sacks. Um. He has been 608 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: absolutely crushing at the last two years down in Arizona. 609 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: And the thing about it, he's getting sacks for a 610 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: team that's not in the position that t sacks up 611 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: for past Russia's meaning normally, if you're on a good 612 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: team and your offense is prolific, that gives your pass 613 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: Russian opportunity to just pin their airs back. They can 614 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: ignore the run and they can get it. This is 615 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: a team that has been losing. For him to be 616 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: able to be as effective and dominant as he has 617 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: been on fewer opportunities is really like Barry Bonds. Barry 618 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: Bonds wouldn't get many pitches to hit, but when he did, 619 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: when he did, he knocked him out the park. That's 620 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: kind of how I liken Chandler Jones when I watched 621 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: him on the tape, He's outstanding. But another one that 622 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: I watched was the Neil Hunter Um. Daniel Hunter is 623 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: another one who's been very productive. First of all, stopped 624 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: blocking him with tight ends because he collected a bunch 625 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: of sacks on tight ends, which is stealing. That's just 626 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: not fair. That's those are Mike Zimmer sacks. But One 627 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: of the things that jump out to me with him 628 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: is when they widened him out, he gained so much ground. 629 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's like two strides. He's like 630 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: a six and a half seven yards like him, and 631 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: he's just he eats the ground immediately. And a lot 632 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: of times you'll talk about those you know, d line coaches, 633 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: just they they'll do drills or they'll just put you 634 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: on the line and say, just want to look at 635 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: your get off, your takeoff, and then gain ground, you know, 636 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: not a bunch of little pitter pattern steps like go 637 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: go somewhere with your first step. And he does. Man, 638 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: he gains a ton of ground in a hurry. Love it, man, 639 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: I look, I'll watch him. And forty eight and a 640 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: half sacks since sixteen. Um, a guy that has really 641 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: come on. And you gotta remember when he got the 642 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: Minnesota everything Griffin was to cast me out. Everything Refference 643 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: was still playing at a high level. They were still 644 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: regarding him as one of the top pass rushes in 645 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: the league. Danil Hunter kind of stole his thunder. Dan 646 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: Neil Hunter has been a guy that has really come on. 647 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,239 Speaker 1: You talk about the way that he just abuses tight end, 648 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: which is really silly that they're putting tight ends on 649 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: him because he's just too good. He's fast, he's physical, 650 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: he's relentless and has pursued this a great job of 651 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: getting them down. I love watching him, but a guy 652 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: that also is in that that conversation that maybe we 653 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: don't talk enough about and Cameron Jordan's Kevin Jordan's look. 654 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what you thought about him when he 655 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: was at CAL. I did not see him blossoming to 656 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: this degree. He has been dominant, I mean dominant, uh 657 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: since he has fifties seven and a half sacks. But 658 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: it's not even the numbers, it's the way that he 659 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: goes about getting it. Sometimes they're in a three man front, 660 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: he is inside, and it's hard to be a three 661 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: or four UH defensive end where you're playing inside and 662 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: he's still able to kind of win and wiggle and 663 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: overpowered guys getting to the quarterback. And we have talked 664 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: about the relentlessness that is needed to be an elite 665 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: pass rusher Cam and Jordan displays all of that. You 666 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: see him work off the first guy, beat the running 667 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: back and then go chase him down, and I think 668 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: maybe what I may have underestimated when he was coming out. 669 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: Was just kind of like the motor. His motor runs 670 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: hot all the time, and effort and energy gives you 671 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: a chance regardless of skill set. But when you add effort, 672 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: energy and skills, that's when you go to the top 673 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: of the charts. Buck Look, trust me, Cameron Jordan's um. 674 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: He's fun to watch. I studied him a little bit 675 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: before the Combine this year because I knew he was 676 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: going to join our combine coverage. I want to go 677 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: back and refresh and just watch what he did um 678 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: this last year. He's got the eurostep. I love the 679 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: eurostep pass rush move, which it's just literally taken right 680 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: from the from the basketball court onto the football field. 681 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: But he's got a great feel for that. And uh, 682 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: he's always moving forward like he just he has a 683 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: way of just kind of working through blocks with his 684 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: hands and always moving forward. And he's just so big 685 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: and strong man. It's a it's a nightmare matchup. I've 686 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: always told the story about going and scouting him at Callan, 687 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: seeing him condition in the early morning with the dvs, 688 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: because he just had so much energy, so much juice 689 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: and could really run. Um so trust me, I've missed 690 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: on a lot of them over the year's buck I 691 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: locked down and got that one right. But he's uh, 692 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: he's phenomenal. Yeah, he is a phenomenal player. You know 693 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: who else is quietly a phenomenal player. I mean I 694 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't say quietly Um. And how I ranked him Um? 695 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: T J Watt. You know DJ like like going like 696 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: going back, um really underestimated, but you know that the 697 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: the challenge and watching him at Wisconsin like it was 698 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: kind of like late comer, like he kind of blossom 699 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: late when it came to the production. But the last 700 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: few years twenty seven and a half sacks and it's 701 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: not the numbers, that is how he goes about doing it. Man, 702 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: he wears you down. He wears you down. He has 703 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: great first step quickness, he has length, and he just 704 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: has a feel for understanding how to get to the 705 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: quarterback and his ability to get his hands off um 706 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: to get going to get skinny. He does a man, 707 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: He does a lot of He does a lot of 708 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: nice stuff on tape. He is a really really, really 709 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: good player and it's kind of good to see that 710 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: he's getting his just do instead of just being known 711 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: as Uh. J J. Wats little brother. Yeah, he's definitely 712 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: more than J J. Watts a little brother. Like, he's 713 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: got defensive player of the year type ability. Um, he 714 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 1: was one two that he only had the one year 715 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: as a starter there at Wisconsin. But then you had 716 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: an elite tester. So you've got somebody that's very instinctive 717 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: obviously has a good jeans, but very instinctive um, and 718 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: then has the has the testing numbers to kind of 719 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: back it up. You kind of knew that he was 720 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: gonna just it was just a matter of time before 721 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: that all came together for him, and then he took off. 722 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: One other guy I would ask you about because the 723 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: huge year he had last year with Shaq Barrett. I 724 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: went back and watched him and he just I just 725 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: wrote down twitch man like he just got tremendous juice, 726 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 1: tremendous twitch. Yeah. His his man first up quickness, his 727 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: ability to turn the corner. Uh. We we kind of 728 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: categorize these guys as being bendy. He's bendy the way 729 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: he can turn the corner dipping rip. Uh. He can 730 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: drag his knuckles on the ground and continue to bringing 731 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: flat and kind of turned to hump um hard to 732 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: find those guys. The jump and product in certainly makes 733 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: you pause a little bit because you're like, wow, where 734 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: did this come from? But the trace had been there 735 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: and he has had his moments when he was at 736 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: Denver before going to Tampa Bay. But right now, man, 737 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: the way that he searched to the top, he has 738 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: some stuff that is really fascinating to watch when you 739 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: look at the tape. I think the challenge now will be, Okay, 740 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: now that you've overwhelmed people with the fastball, what happens 741 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: when they're sitting on the fastball? Do you have other pitches? 742 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: Does he have something else that he can win with? Um? 743 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: That will be next level stuff for Shaq Barrett. All right, well, 744 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: then as we wrap this one up here on the 745 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: pass freshers, do you have it? Then? Do you have 746 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: a one through five? How do you end up shaking 747 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: this thing out? You know? So? So it's tough, right 748 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: because here's where I got stuck, like you and I 749 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: were kind of seeing, I like the first three guys Chandeler, Jones, 750 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: Cameron Jordan's then Neil Hunter. Where I get stuck at 751 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: is I have this cluster? Right? I have t j Watt, 752 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: I have Miles Garrett, I have Joey Bosa, and I 753 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: have Khalil Mac. All of them have been dominant. T 754 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: J Wat, to me, deserves to be in that top five. 755 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: Joey Bosa was hurt two seasons ago, bounced back and 756 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: had it, but then Khalil Macker there And I hate 757 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: to be a tie guy, but I would have to 758 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: put Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack there. Um. Even though 759 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: Khalil Max's numbers last year to climb. He has eleven 760 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: forced fumbles in the last two years, and there's something 761 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: about the disruptive nature that I'm just fascinated about. He's 762 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: a power rushing or whatever. So my my top five 763 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: will be Jones, Jordan's, Danil Hunter. Um. I would have 764 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: Mac and both in there, and then I would have 765 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: t J. Watt on the line just below outside looking in. 766 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: And I'll say I'll just make my prediction that as 767 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: if Nick Bosa can put together a sixteen game season, 768 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: oh he could, he could end up at the top 769 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: of that list. Another thing I would say is I 770 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: think Miles Garrett, if he doesn't get suspended, he probably 771 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: climbs up a little bit higher on that list too. Yeah, 772 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: like all those guys, there is funny man when when 773 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: you have to have horror lines. At number five, Miles 774 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: Garrett has been fantastic stick Um, and you know he 775 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: didn't even get a chance to really finish the year 776 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: last year. Um. Nick boss certainly has two traits and 777 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: the tools. He just has to be healthy. Um. A 778 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: lot of pass rushers, a lot of guys that have 779 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: the traits that you look for. We talked about those 780 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: two positions quarterback and pass rusher being the most pivotal 781 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: in the team building process. The league is in good 782 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: hands because we certainly have quarterbacks and we definitely have hunters, 783 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: hunters coming off the edge, no doubt. Um, Well that 784 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: was fun man talking a little pass rush there. I 785 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: do wanna give everybody at home one recommendation if you're look, 786 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: we're all stuck at home. We're all quarantining here. So 787 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: if you've got time to read a book. This was 788 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: recommended to me by our buddy John Gordon was Legacy, 789 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: which is about the All Blacks rugby team UM in 790 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: New Zealand. It is phenomenal. Um. You want to talk 791 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: about you knowin you know, achieving success, maintaining success. Um, 792 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: it's I just give you. I'll just give you one 793 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: little snippet here book so people can listen to it. 794 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: And then this is all throughout this book, but the 795 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,479 Speaker 1: beginning of the book, it talks about this story called 796 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: sweep the Sheds and it says, never you're never too 797 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,439 Speaker 1: big to do the small things that need to be done. 798 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 1: So this this the author was embedded with this team 799 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: and he's talking about after a game was over. And 800 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: keep in mind in rugby they don't have locker rooms. 801 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: That kind of have sheds is what they have there. 802 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: So he said, uh, this is after the game. Something 803 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: happened you might not expect. Two of the senior players 804 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: won an International Player of the Year twice. Each pick 805 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: up a long handed broom and begin to sweep the sheds. 806 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: They brushed the mud and the gauze into small piles 807 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: into the corner. While the country is still watching replays 808 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: and school kids lie in bed dreaming of All Blacks glory, 809 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: the All Blacks themselves are tidying up after themselves, sweeping 810 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: the sheds, doing it properly so no one else has 811 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: to because no one looks after the All Blacks the 812 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: All Blacks look after themselves. And I thought, what a 813 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: great story. And if you've seen the NFL Films clip 814 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: of Ed Reid talking about how the players on that 815 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: Ravens team before they won the Super Bowl Wild just 816 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: leave their tape on the ground. And you have the 817 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 1: volunteer fireman who were at the facility with the Ravens 818 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: have have for years and and the firemen have to 819 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 1: come in there and pick up all their crap. And 820 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: Ed Reid went off on the team about that's not 821 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: what champions do. Champions, you know, you pick up after yourself. 822 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: You don't rely on other people to do that. You 823 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: don't have them pick up your nasty crap. Take care 824 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: of it yourself, be self reliant. And I thought about 825 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: Ed read as I was reading that book. Yeah, I mean, 826 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: that's that's what happens is you know, like going all 827 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: the way back, I've been around great coaches UH and 828 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 1: other sports. So I think Anson Lawrence was the women's 829 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: soccer coach in Carolina when I was there, and he 830 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: talked about UM. Elite players make up their beds every 831 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: morning because like high organizational skills, UM is one of 832 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: the traits that you get from champions. And so when 833 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: I hear you talk about that story with the All Blacks, 834 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: it reminds me of that sweeping the corners, taking care 835 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: of the details, leaving things in an orderly fashion. Uh. 836 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: It speaks to let's leave this place in a better 837 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: place than we inherited it. And so with the All Blacks, 838 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: we've seen the success, we understand it. Um, I can 839 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,919 Speaker 1: understand that mentality and why has also helped them win 840 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: uh and be the dominant team that they've been. You know, 841 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: there's that great military book too that's starting you know, 842 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: talks about every day starts with making your bed, like 843 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, just doing those little things. Take care of 844 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: the little things that big things take care of themselves. 845 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: But anyways, I have enjoyed that book. So if you 846 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,240 Speaker 1: like some of the stuff we do on team building 847 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: and some of that culture building, I think you'll enjoy Legacy. 848 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: So check that one out. Anything else you want to 849 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: add before we jump out of here? Back, No, man, 850 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun. But guys, make sure 851 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 1: after this podcast tune in and make sure you wait 852 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: for that Urban Meyer podcast that we have coming. It 853 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: is a great one. He is one of the best 854 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm really really excited what we were able to share. Yep, 855 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: so be on the lookout for that. That podcast will 856 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 1: be coming up later in the weekend. Again, the TV 857 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,280 Speaker 1: show Move to six TV show will launch on NFL 858 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: Network six Eastern on Thursday, May fourteenth, So be on 859 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: the lookout for that. Really cool opportunity for us, and UM, 860 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys joining us along on the journey. 861 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: Do you want to thank n bill Mark, Our Juna, 862 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: everybody that's worked on the show, David Singer and doing 863 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: a great job getting as good guests each and every week. Um, 864 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: it's been great. So excited about all that we have 865 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 1: going on here at Move the Sticks. Remember, you can 866 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: download the pod Apple Podcast, your favorite podcast app. You 867 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: can find the videos NFL dot com, Slash MTS video 868 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: and YouTube. Um YouTube dot com slash NFL podcast is 869 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: where you can find us there. So that's gonna do 870 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: it for us today. Thank you so much. We'll catch 871 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: you next time right here on Move the Sticks.