Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. What do Clueless nine O two
Speaker 1: one ohero.
Speaker 2: And true crime have in common?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we weren't quite clear either until we got our
Speaker 1: new best friend in the room with us. Welcome to
Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ. Yes you hear that
Speaker 1: cacklin background. That is not Amy Robock. This time we
Speaker 1: had Robes. This is I say new best friend. I
Speaker 1: know people use that loosely oftentimes, but we have now
Speaker 1: had an experience with someone that I think robes. This
Speaker 1: is you go through things with people sometimes you got
Speaker 1: that person's gonna be with me for life exactly. So
Speaker 1: when you go through LA traffic with somebody to the
Speaker 1: point that you have to get out and walk, you
Speaker 1: might be bonded for.
Speaker 3: Life exactly because you have that shared experience, you know it.
Speaker 3: Alisa Donovan is with us, and we're so excited because
Speaker 3: we are teaming up with Alisa on our our other podcast.
Speaker 3: I guess are we are we amassing a podcast network now, yes,
Speaker 3: that's the goal. But on Amy and TJ Present, we
Speaker 3: now have Alisa Donovan working with us and she is
Speaker 3: our true crime partner. Uh, because we are launching together
Speaker 3: this new series where Alisa is going to be talking with,
Speaker 3: among many other subjects, but actors who portray some of
Speaker 3: the worst of the worst, the most evil folks, true crime,
Speaker 3: and what that's like as an actor to go through
Speaker 3: and become someone who is hated, who is evil really
Speaker 3: for lack of a better term, But Alisa, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: When I think of you, I don't think of evil.
Speaker 3: I don't think of true crime.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad. I'm so happy I heard.
Speaker 3: That like someone I love to watch. I mean, we're
Speaker 3: all products of the nineties, and.
Speaker 1: Well I thought her character one of she was kind
Speaker 1: of bitchy.
Speaker 2: Not niceeople, but in such a fun way, like you
Speaker 2: love to hate your characters. Yes, right, Yeah, how would you.
Speaker 3: Describe Ginger from nine o two one out? I mean,
Speaker 3: Ginger was probably some bad things.
Speaker 4: I don't know if she's capable of necessarily killing anyone,
Speaker 4: but I think she'd she'd do what she had to
Speaker 4: do to survive, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she made sure she took care of herself. A
Speaker 2: couple of hard seasons, maybe she'd get there.
Speaker 1: But you know, have you ever thought, I think we
Speaker 1: were talking to you earlier, you haven't played a real
Speaker 1: life person right before in terms of a killer type
Speaker 1: of thing. You think you could do you think that,
Speaker 1: or like you would have to go to a I
Speaker 1: think I could.
Speaker 2: I think yes, I think you know, it's what we
Speaker 2: were saying.
Speaker 4: We all have all the parts in us, and I
Speaker 4: think it's a you know, a mistake to think that
Speaker 4: we don't. And people get pushed places. And you know,
Speaker 4: I've played plenty of people that are nothing like who
Speaker 4: I am, and so you just have to you dive
Speaker 4: into it, and you find you always have to find
Speaker 4: the to me, you have to find the humanity. You
Speaker 4: have to find the the the lightness. And then if
Speaker 4: you're conversely, if you're playing a really happy, you know,
Speaker 4: beautiful person, you should look for a little bit of
Speaker 4: the dark side so that you can make them a
Speaker 4: full human being, because we are all we are full people,
Speaker 4: right And people would always say to me, oh, how
Speaker 4: come you always play these you know or kids, especially
Speaker 4: like when we were shooting Clueless and doing the series
Speaker 4: or so bringing the Teenage Witch. I also played the
Speaker 4: kind of like spice and the soup like not green.
Speaker 4: All kids would always come up to me and they
Speaker 4: would almost be they'd come to set and visit and
Speaker 4: they would almost be disappointed.
Speaker 2: That I would. I would say we're nice.
Speaker 4: And they're like, oh, I'm so soly they're just surprised.
Speaker 4: And I think there's something to it that maybe I
Speaker 4: can play those people because I am. I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm a nice person, you are person, and I think
Speaker 4: it helps. It just helps somehow, like so that the
Speaker 4: underbelly you're like.
Speaker 2: I can't hate her that much.
Speaker 3: Maybe is it fun to play someone I won't say evil,
Speaker 3: but devious like fun? I would Yeah, it's more fun,
Speaker 3: definitely to play the spicy for sure or not so
Speaker 3: nice person versus the you know, the ingenueind to everyone, which.
Speaker 2: Does not really even exist in the world, right.
Speaker 4: I mean really, and it's always more fun to play
Speaker 4: the bad guy girl.
Speaker 3: What and what do you think it is about human nature?
Speaker 3: We've experienced this. I think anyone to a certain degree
Speaker 3: his experience. We all want to put people in a
Speaker 3: role in real life, not just actors on a stage.
Speaker 3: We want you're bad, you're good. It's no one likes
Speaker 3: the gray area.
Speaker 4: We all want somehow it makes I think it makes
Speaker 4: us feel in control, and then it makes us feel safe.
Speaker 4: Do you want to be in control so that you
Speaker 4: can feel safe or you know, a hierarchical situation where
Speaker 4: you can feel superior to people or something.
Speaker 2: I think that's so true, so I didn't mention.
Speaker 3: By the way, so this news series on Amy and
Speaker 3: TJ Presents is called Killer Thriller, and I love the name.
Speaker 2: It's a way why do you think?
Speaker 3: And we're all in the same group, and I think
Speaker 3: maybe a lot of people listening, if you are admitting it,
Speaker 3: we're all kind of into I don't want to say voyeurism,
Speaker 3: but we're all watching this. We're fascinated. We don't want
Speaker 3: to be associated with it. Why do you think we
Speaker 3: all get such a like maybe even a dopamine hit
Speaker 3: or some sort of a charge from watching these true
Speaker 3: crime stories, either in real time in court trials or
Speaker 3: portrayed in some sort of a series.
Speaker 4: Because we are fascinated by human nature and by the
Speaker 4: how diverse we are as human beings, and how can
Speaker 4: someone do such a thing like we we need to
Speaker 4: try to understand it because it feels so and and
Speaker 4: to your point, I don't know why it feels so foreign, like, oh,
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that that would be. But the reality is,
Speaker 4: these things happen often and humanity is not you know,
Speaker 4: I had a therapist wants to say to me, well,
Speaker 4: you know, humanity is not inherently kind, and I was
Speaker 4: like really, and then I went, well, she's not wrong.
Speaker 2: She's not wrong, right right at all costs, And I mean,
Speaker 2: it kind of is.
Speaker 4: But then that's also sort of you know, what's our
Speaker 4: this this human experience that we were talking about earlier,
Speaker 4: you know, what's what? What is our purpose as a
Speaker 4: human being? And it's I believe it's too. We have
Speaker 4: to there's some things we have to go through and
Speaker 4: that we were supposed to work through in this human life.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's there's.
Speaker 4: Work to do and that's not and that that to
Speaker 4: me is sort of very hopeful because that sort of
Speaker 4: makes me feel like, oh, it's it's a it's almost
Speaker 4: an even playing field, right because you look at it
Speaker 4: like what you have to go through is what you
Speaker 4: have to you have to go.
Speaker 2: Through, is that you do what I do.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it'll cross, sometimes it won't, but then I can't
Speaker 4: really I can't judge you for what your choices are
Speaker 4: or I can't, but you know, of course we do.
Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 1: We talk about this a lot. That that's so much.
Speaker 1: And doctor Gardier, right, it talked about people are projecting,
Speaker 1: like people watch these things that go okay, at least
Speaker 1: I'm not that bad at my life, not that facked up.
Speaker 2: And like, I feel pretty good about my life.
Speaker 1: How that do you think feeds into this fascination because
Speaker 1: so much of it I think partly partly, how much apart.
Speaker 4: I will say this is a little dark, but it's
Speaker 4: not too dark because my mom is alive. But my
Speaker 4: mom was having surgery for cancer. She said cancer twice.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I stayed overnight in the night of the surgery in
Speaker 4: North Carolina. I During that time, I was reading The Goldfinch.
Speaker 2: Do you remember this? Yes, this is a dark book.
Speaker 2: This is not a happy book. No, right, it's not.
Speaker 4: And I was like, at least I am not living Goldfinch.
Speaker 2: We all do that. Though.
Speaker 4: In the hallway, I've got like my little portable wine
Speaker 4: leaving her room, like I'm just gonna drink wine in
Speaker 4: a stairwell for a minute, come back into the room
Speaker 4: and like deal. But I was like, you know what,
Speaker 4: I have a lovely family. I have a mom who
Speaker 4: loves me.
Speaker 2: She is ill.
Speaker 4: People get ill like this happens, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It was sort of like an equalizer. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: do think that's part of it is.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 3: Because you mentioned cancer when I was going through my
Speaker 3: own cancer. I remember the lightest moment, one of the
Speaker 3: happiest rays of just relief I had. I came back
Speaker 3: from the hospital and my brother, who loves horror movies
Speaker 3: like I do, surprise me.
Speaker 2: And what did we do.
Speaker 3: We sat down and we watched it was streaming for
Speaker 3: the first time, the Conjuring, and it was such a
Speaker 3: relief for me. I was like, this is so at
Speaker 3: least I'm not being at least I don't.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't have a demon inside right, Like.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It was funny almost it is almost a different escape
Speaker 5: like people would say, oh, romantic comedy is it's escapism,
Speaker 5: which it is to a degree, But then sometimes that
Speaker 5: could be really depressing, yeah, because.
Speaker 2: You're like, God, I didn't it didn't work out that
Speaker 2: way for I don't feel like nothing right now.
Speaker 3: But if I'm watching you now, who is yeah being
Speaker 3: terrorized by some evil entity?
Speaker 2: I feel like at least I'm.
Speaker 3: At a better place, right Yes, and I can actually
Speaker 3: feel sorry for you and not think.
Speaker 2: About how sad my situation is. In a way, it's
Speaker 2: like deflecting.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Now I'm saying back in the day, back in the day, no.
Speaker 2: But it is funny.
Speaker 3: Horror movies have been a source of comfort in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways. I know that sounds silly maybe to
Speaker 3: a lot of folks, but that is just the truth
Speaker 3: knows it.
Speaker 2: And true crime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is one of those interesting things. And I
Speaker 3: do think as an actor that would be one of
Speaker 3: the really fascinating fun roles to play because hopefully it's
Speaker 3: a departure.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you're not drawing on life experiences.
Speaker 4: Actors have different processes, right, so some people you can't.
Speaker 4: They go deep method and they don't want to there
Speaker 4: that person all the time. I you know, that would
Speaker 4: seem to be dicey if you're playing someone like uh
Speaker 4: Ed Gain. You know that you got John John Gay,
Speaker 4: you know. So I'm curious about all of that too.
Speaker 1: Do you have somebody you want to play?
Speaker 5: Do you?
Speaker 2: That's such a good question. Figure Yes, Rita Hayworth. Who
Speaker 2: Rita hayw She was.
Speaker 4: Half Spanish, so she would really be right for me
Speaker 4: to play Rita Hayworth.
Speaker 2: Just just an old school.
Speaker 4: Yes, Hollywood dancer, an actress. She is an incredible story
Speaker 4: but she is half Spanish, so it probably wouldn't really
Speaker 4: be right, It wouldn't work.
Speaker 1: Who else I think about historical character, like.
Speaker 2: Like like Loz Bordon didn't murder anybody?
Speaker 3: You know, we want to know what evil person you
Speaker 3: would like to play?
Speaker 1: Evil person woman if even if it was a snap
Speaker 1: episod o you saw what have you seen? That was
Speaker 1: that ship nuts that did something crazy that you would like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I would love.
Speaker 2: To go I love a go at that. I mean,
Speaker 2: Aileen Werenos was pretty crazy. Who's last?
Speaker 4: I mean it's sort of already been done because Charlie's
Speaker 4: wanted to ask her for it.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, Lizzie Borden, Lizzie Bordon. That was a good one.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean what historic like women female is.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Aren't too many? Are There aren't many?
Speaker 2: You know what I was thinking? Like Salem witch trials,
Speaker 2: but those weren't.
Speaker 3: Those were just poor women who were being demail those women,
Speaker 3: whatever reason they were. But there aren't that many female
Speaker 3: serials there just aren't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there aren't. It's predominantly men. I can't.
Speaker 3: I was just trying to think of another like there's
Speaker 3: black widow as he kind of women.
Speaker 1: There was the woman in Flora that was a serial
Speaker 1: killer and she right, we know these.
Speaker 2: Nurses, nurses.
Speaker 3: Has been.
Speaker 2: Nothing against nurses.
Speaker 3: But if you do watch Snapped or any of these
Speaker 3: other real life drop like crime story, the women who
Speaker 3: are murderers do tend to be like they're highly intelligent. Yes,
Speaker 3: but they have access and they have medical knowledge which
Speaker 3: allows them to almost get away with it.
Speaker 1: However, or they have gambling problems for.
Speaker 2: Credit card, they have credit card. Women.
Speaker 1: Women don't kill from what we've seen. Why do women
Speaker 1: kill you? All crimes of passion or debt or debt?
Speaker 1: It seems that you're saying.
Speaker 3: Why is it money and independence? It's money and independence.
Speaker 3: They want to be free and free of whom ever,
Speaker 3: and they will do what they need to do to
Speaker 3: have their independence.
Speaker 6: It's usually planned, right, overcome, methodical and very scary. We
Speaker 6: have to be we have to be smarter, scared.
Speaker 3: We don't want the physical dominance, so yes, we have
Speaker 3: to use our brains.
Speaker 2: That is what ends up happening.
Speaker 1: Can we do it?
Speaker 2: Also? We smile honestly do you love to watch the
Speaker 2: ones where the women are the killers?
Speaker 3: And that always makes me nervos because I'm always thinking,
Speaker 3: do you sleep with one eye open?
Speaker 2: Are you worried about me? Do you get this in
Speaker 2: your head?
Speaker 3: We were thinking if I piss Amy off enough, will
Speaker 3: she head in this direction?
Speaker 2: Way?
Speaker 1: What always happened? You're usually asleep before I am, and
Speaker 1: I am away.
Speaker 2: Wake before reason why you're no dummy?
Speaker 1: I am rarely.
Speaker 2: Though, so you're lucky.
Speaker 3: I do have a brother who's a doctor, so I
Speaker 3: could have access to some sort of information, but I
Speaker 3: needed to ask him for a friend about something. But yes,
Speaker 3: you can rest assured. I know nothing and I hate needles.
Speaker 1: Will you at least will you come home with us anytime?
Speaker 2: You will any time? I Am not kidding.
Speaker 4: I like what a happy I say happy accident that's
Speaker 4: not the right word, but well the accident was being
Speaker 4: in the car. Yes, but uh like I'm I am
Speaker 4: thrilled too that I've connected so well with the two
Speaker 4: of you, because.
Speaker 3: You know, you never know, you never know, But I
Speaker 3: do think we share the true crime. I do find
Speaker 3: that when I meet somebody, and DJ and I had
Speaker 3: this experience when I meet somebody who also shares my
Speaker 3: passion for either horror movies or true crime.
Speaker 2: It's like, we're going to get along. We're going to
Speaker 2: get along. We have a similar.
Speaker 3: Mindset and a similar way of looking at the world.
Speaker 3: That just ends up making conversation easy and fun. I'm
Speaker 3: curious if what you how you feel you're an actress,
Speaker 3: you have had an amazing career, how you feel about podcasting,
Speaker 3: like it's a.
Speaker 4: Whole other is so we were I've obviously spoken with
Speaker 4: the two of you about this, and a couple of
Speaker 4: other people like Danielle Fischel, Will Friedel and like about
Speaker 4: how and because I notice what it is that makes
Speaker 4: things successful and it sounds simple, but I know it's not.
Speaker 4: It's that you really have to have one. You have
Speaker 4: to like to talk to people. You have to actually
Speaker 4: be interested in having a conversation like in exchange as
Speaker 4: opposed to a you ask a question and I answer it.
Speaker 4: You know, it actually is a is a discussion, right
Speaker 4: and so, and then it has to be authentic. But
Speaker 4: then you also have to, like, you know, get stuff done.
Speaker 4: You got to like answer some questions, like you got
Speaker 4: to get somewhere. But like those other two pieces are
Speaker 4: the key pieces, I think, and I love it so
Speaker 4: much because I love I am genuinely curious about humanity
Speaker 4: and people, and I love connecting with people in an
Speaker 4: authentic way. So we don't always, you know, as an actor,
Speaker 4: you don't always get to do that. It's it's a
Speaker 4: totally which sounds maybe that sounds odd, but it's true,
Speaker 4: you know, depending on what the circumstances are. Sometimes it's
Speaker 4: things are going very fast, you've got a time issue,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things, you know, like you just
Speaker 4: it's it's a different experience. So this is like, it
Speaker 4: excites me, It interests me because you don't quite.
Speaker 7: Know where you're going to go, you know, but you're
Speaker 7: leading the way. But you are the one who is
Speaker 7: asking the questions. You are producing basically your own show.
Speaker 7: So this is very exciting. We're so excited to.
Speaker 2: Have you on board, super excited.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited to see where it goes and to
Speaker 4: be you know, that thing of actually getting to know
Speaker 4: someone and being there is some spontaneity to it, like
Speaker 4: that you have to do the prep and know what
Speaker 4: you're talking about and who you're speaking to, but everybody
Speaker 4: is going to be different and that that excites me.
Speaker 1: Well, folks, look forward every week we'll have new, fresh
Speaker 1: updates from Elisa Donovan on Amy and TJ Presents on
Speaker 1: that feed. We will absolutely be calling on you. This
Speaker 1: wasn't a part of the plan and the deal, but
Speaker 1: I hope we can call on you to come chat
Speaker 1: with us whatever.
Speaker 4: I am all in, I would love it anytime. Maybe
Speaker 4: we should start another podcast in the car like the
Speaker 4: tax you want, you know, just like in the car,
Speaker 4: bring people in the car chat how you get out.
Speaker 3: Parents of daughters, parents of daughters, because we had a.
Speaker 2: Lot of conversations about parents daughter. It's the best, it's
Speaker 2: the best. It's a lot, it's.
Speaker 1: At least it's an absolute pleasure. We're just getting started.
Speaker 1: But we can't say enough. Genuinely. We wouldn't. We don't
Speaker 1: have to. Look, we were used to bullshit and we
Speaker 1: can we can just take it here we have to,
Speaker 1: but this is not one of those cases. It is
Speaker 1: genuinely treat and a pleasure and an honor to be
Speaker 1: able to spend the time we've had and we've only
Speaker 1: had about two hours with you. Now we're looking forward
Speaker 1: to and thank you for being willing to come on
Speaker 1: board and work with us. So thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, and folk. I am thrilled, killer, thriller, thrill, it's.
Speaker 2: Killer, thriller.
Speaker 3: I can see how that Amy and presents kill her
Speaker 3: thriller with Alisa.
Speaker 1: Thriller, killer doesn't make sense. Killer thriller, thriller, killer, I'm thriller.
Speaker 1: I'm in a Michael Jackson movie. That's not right.
Speaker 2: Don't get out of people's heads. Thriller, killer, No, it's killer, thriller, thriller. No,
Speaker 2: it's killer. You will do this song, you'll do the
Speaker 2: song you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a donovant.
Speaker 5: Everybody.
Speaker 1: We love you. Think you think you. Thank you, folks,
Speaker 1: We appreciate you as always spending some time with us.
Speaker 1: For my dear lovely Amy Robot, I'm t J. Holmes.
Speaker 1: We will talk to y'all soon