1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans. This one's 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Pack twelve Apostles Postles. We are 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: going to give you the status of every Pack twelve 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: coach through spring ball and where their seat is going 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: into the season. Also, Ray Anderson got on the Speak 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: of the Devil's podcast and didn't make anything better. We 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: were left with more questions than answers. And the Pack 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: twelve financial problems, I mean, they're getting worse, and it's 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: sad because we don't want to be the bearers of 11 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: bad news. But uh, there could be some major changes 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: on the landscape. And be Jean Robinson, No, he's not 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: in the Pack twelve. He's over at Texas signed a 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: deal with Lamborghin me which PAC twelve athletes should be cover, 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: Uh cover guys for the conference who they should be 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: promoting the most. I'm George Rice Stir, He's Ralph Ams 17 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: and and this is the PAC twelve Apostles, the podcast, 18 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: BIPAC twelve Fans, four PAC twelve fans, where you get 19 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: the absolute truth. Um, before we get into the coaching status, 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: I actually thought it would be good, Ralph. If we 21 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: started with the financial stuff going on in the PAC 22 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 1: twelve and the there are two people that I believe 23 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: that do the best at covering this on a day 24 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: in a day out basis. That is John Wilner over 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: at the UH You can find his work since syndicated 26 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: all over the place, and John John Canzano, and both 27 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: of them seem to be pretty And I know that 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: sometimes people feel like they hate their team and this 29 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: and that, and there could be some truth to that. 30 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: If if if you feel like that, you can put 31 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: together your your plan of or your or your burden, 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: a proof and your evidence. But there is no pulling 33 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: punches when it comes to the finances and the status 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: of the conference. What would you agree with that, Ralph? No, No, 35 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: that they do a good job on the grown up stuff. 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: And so if you're interested in the business of sports, 37 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: those are definitely too fantastic follows. I will say that 38 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: UH Arizona State fans cite John Wilmer's time as a 39 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: beat writer in Tucson for their justification as to why 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: he hates the Sun Devils, and Oregon fans say that 41 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: that he hates them. A couple other fan bases do 42 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: as well. So I actually think that if everybody thinks 43 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: that you hate them, then you're probably doing the right 44 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: that you're probably on the right path. Um. But on Tuesday, 45 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: Wilner put out an article and where he estimated the 46 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: payouts for Power five conferences based on the numbers that 47 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: were put out by USA today, and that left the 48 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: Pack twelve in a very very very precarious position because 49 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: he said that those numbers has the Pack twelve at 50 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: nineteen point eight million dollars per school, which is far 51 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: behind the other four conferences, and that the Big Twelve 52 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: at thirty five point six million dollars was the next lowest. 53 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: I When when that came out, Ralph I could not like, 54 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: that number is almost double the lowest, and like, let's 55 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: let's put it in context. That means that Kansas University 56 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: of Kansas gets almost thirty six million dollars from their 57 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: conference and the University of Southern California gets just under 58 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: twenty million from their conference. So it is more lucrative 59 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: to be the University of Kansas in football, who has 60 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: won like seven games over the last five years, than 61 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: it is to be what many consider to be the 62 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: premier school in the PAC twelve. Yes. Now, now he 63 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: goes on to list the tally for the SEC at 64 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: the top at fifty four point six million per per school. 65 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 1: A lot of that had to do with the fact 66 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: that you had more of the schools make the Pack twelve, sorry, 67 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: make the College Football Playoff, so you have more of 68 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: the schools make it. And UM and the Big ten 69 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: at forty six million dollars, the A c C at 70 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: thirty six million dollars, the Big twelve at thirty five 71 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: point six, and the Pack twelve at nineteen. Uh. It 72 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: was like when when you saw that, like the biggest 73 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: disparity at almost three times, what did that make you think? Uh? 74 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: It made me think that, like Larry Scott should do 75 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: jail time. Oh dude, yes, he's he's an actual criminal. Um, 76 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: it's it's terrible, dude. He put us in the worst 77 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: position possible, the worst position possible, because at nineteen point 78 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: eight million dollars, you are now in a position where 79 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: how are you supposed to retain coaches without outside money? 80 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: Think about that, without donors being like, Okay, we're going 81 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: to kick in half of the coaches salaries. How are 82 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: you how is this sustainable and why on earth did 83 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: Larry Scott think that anything that he was doing was 84 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: the right move. And now the question is that is 85 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: that you've actually fallen so far behind in the last 86 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: three to five years that that now when the new 87 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: contracts come back in, the SEC is gonna be starting 88 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: its second contract. The Big ten is going to be 89 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: negotiating their contracts now. So everybody gets back to the 90 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: table before the Pack twelve except for the A C 91 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: C because the UM because their their deal runs through, 92 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: like and it's not a great deal either, but it 93 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: is still significantly better than the Pact twelves. So the 94 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: question is how to fix it? Like, where do you 95 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: go from from here? I think I think you got 96 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: to go through the fire right you you got to 97 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: do the most obvious things. You have to set yourself up. UM. 98 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: The tough thing is going to be negotiating the next 99 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: television contract. When you go to say, like, we're worth 100 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: what the rest of these schools are worth UM or 101 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: some average of what the rest of the conferences are worth. 102 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: But then it gets pointed out to you that you've 103 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: been surviving on much less. So that's gonna be a 104 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: tough negotiation. That's gonna be like an Arizona Cardinals Kyler 105 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: Murray negotiation, where you say, like, this is the market 106 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: value of what people are are getting paid, and then 107 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: you have management saying you haven't done anything, so you 108 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: know what are that one's gonna be really, really tough. UM. 109 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: Hopefully George Klaefkoff already has some irons in the fire 110 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: as far as UM you know what that can look like. 111 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: The savings to the conference of not paying eight to 112 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: nine million dollars a year in rent is going to 113 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: be helpful. They still have the network they need to 114 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: make the network of network. I don't care. I don't 115 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: care if it's in the same way that like MTV 116 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: stayed Bible by taking UM music videos completely off of uh, 117 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: taking music videos completely off to just put on stuff 118 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: like you know, real real world road Rules Challenge. But 119 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: that's the stuff that people are watching. If you have 120 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the pat twelve network, if you have your own network, 121 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: then it might be time to try to figure out 122 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: some type of programming. I don't care if it's original. 123 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's scripted. I don't care if 124 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: it's UH inking a deal with the Canadian Football League, Like, 125 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's if it's um finding a 126 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: way to get like w NBA games, do something, Just 127 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: do something innovative with the PAC twelve network to make 128 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: it a somewhat viable channel that people would actually want 129 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: to consume its content, so that you can turn around 130 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: and say, you know, we have X number of viewers 131 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: and that's what this should be worth two advertisers when 132 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: we broadcast our own games. Because as it stands right now, 133 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: PAC twelve network is only available in fourteen point eight 134 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: million less less now less now but yeah, at the 135 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: end of and that's in the country. That's minuscule. That 136 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: that that means that you you don't even rate because 137 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,359 Speaker 1: the availability in homes is not gonna be like everybody 138 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: who has it available is not a PAC twelve fan, 139 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: Which means that if the PAC twelve network was only 140 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: relegated to the state where most of their schools are, California, 141 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: that the pack Well network would be available in like 142 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: one in every three homes in just California, yep, and 143 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: nowhere else in the rest of the country. Like that, 144 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: that's that's insane to me. But those numbers are national, yeah, correct, 145 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: Whereas you have the other networks, like the Big ten 146 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: network available in over fifty million homes, the SEC network 147 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: available in almost eighty million homes. It's it's insane. But 148 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: those one numbers are lower than what they would have 149 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: been because of the pandemic and stuff like that. So 150 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: the estimates for two are still put the Pack twelve 151 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: at last, but closer at thirty six point three, thirty 152 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: eight for the A C C, forty million for the 153 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: Big twelve, fifty eight for the SEC, and then fifty 154 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: eight for the Big Ten. So the Big ten is 155 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: going to be the leader of the of the pack 156 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: and the SEC see and they're gonna be almost twenty 157 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: million dollars more than the Big twelve. And consider the 158 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: fact that Texas and Oklahoma are leaving the SEC. They're 159 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: leaving the the SEC and to go to the SEC. 160 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: Now I'm sorry, they're leaving the Big twelve to go 161 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: to the SEC. And the Big twelve is at forty 162 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: some million, and so the SEC revenues when they uh 163 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: adjust these new contracts, it could be it could be 164 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: a more staggering differential, you know what I mean. And 165 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: when you look at the four payouts per school, the 166 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: Big ten is gonna be at about two hundred and 167 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: fifty two million dollars. The SEC is second at two 168 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: thirty seven. And I keep trying to tell people, Ralph 169 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: that the Big ten is the draw for college football. Yes, 170 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: d SEC is big, but the but the Big ten 171 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: has the most passionate fan bases. The they obviously have 172 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: huge stadiums, everything like that. And then the Big twelve 173 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: all the way down at one sixty two, the A 174 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: C C at one sixty and then the Pack twelve 175 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: at one thirty three, which is nearly fifty less than 176 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: the Big Ten and like less than the SEC. If 177 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: I'm honestly, if I'm Packed twelve network, I'm taking that 178 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: eight million that I used to pay annually in UH 179 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: in rent, and I'm reinvesting it in in content um, 180 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: whether it's UH putting Yogi Rath on a plane and 181 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: him going to all these college towns and just like 182 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: reviewing restaurants or tourist attractions in the give Yogi Rath 183 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: a travel show, why not like bring on, bring on 184 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: UM the ship, like the guys from podcast of Champions 185 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: or or us to bring on like UH controversial and 186 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: fun content or find people who are content creators. There's 187 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: there's so many talented people that came out of PAC 188 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: twelve schools that are working in media in in some 189 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: way find a way to collaborate with them to come 190 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: up with some original UM content ideas. UM. I like 191 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: it would be fun to show that like lampoons, you know, 192 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve that makes fun of it every single night, 193 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: or the interviews any number of the million different like 194 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: celebrities or big name people that went to all of 195 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: these PAC twelve schools, like freaking University of Arizona alone 196 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: has like ten or twelve major UH comedy at Jimmy 197 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: Tay Troe and Kristin Wig and like there there's you know, 198 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: there's a ton of people that went to all these 199 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: um Andrew Santino went to Arizona State. Will Ferrell is 200 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: a big USC supporter. Like find some way to interview 201 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: celebrities and and and build content UM out of that. 202 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: Find some way to showcase the West Coast, find out 203 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: what some of the talents and hobbies of current and 204 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: former Pack twelve athletes are, and then have little shows 205 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: where you go out and you interview them and you 206 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: showcase it, Like build content that makes the network worth 207 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: watching that that that people are gonna want to be 208 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: attracted to it and watch it even when it's not 209 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: game time, and then help use it to enhance people's 210 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: marketability for n I L which is gonna make people 211 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: realize that I've got the power of a television network 212 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: behind me if I stay in the Pack twelve exactly, dude, 213 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: And television is going to drive be such a huge 214 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: factor in in this. And then that leaves the question 215 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: of if they can't like, what can George Klikoff realistically 216 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: do to increase the revenue. Because if CBS ends up 217 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: getting a game and it's not the big game which 218 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: the SEC has now, which the PAC twelve needs so dearly. 219 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: If the big team gets that, I don't even know 220 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: where the PAC twelve goes besides staying in these terrible 221 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: time slots on ESPN, THEA PAC twelve network needs its 222 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: own gambling show. PAC twelve network needs. Uh. It just 223 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: there's there's a ton of stuff that you could do. 224 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: Uh and it's I mean ship put uh put boxing 225 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: on it. I don't care, like I don't care what 226 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: it is. Find some way to use what you already 227 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: have to drive viewership to then benefit your schools and 228 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: the student athletes. And George Kleaf cooff comes from an 229 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: entertainment and promotion background. You know, this wouldn't be this 230 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't be totally out of the realm of possibility, and 231 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: it might sound sound like a weird pie in the 232 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: sky idea that would never happen. But if they don't 233 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: do something on this network, George, they just gotta cut 234 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: the cord for sure. For sure and and actually partnering 235 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: with a bigger network is the actual answer. Uh yeah, 236 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: because the way they're going about it is not working 237 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: at all. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 238 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 239 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart 240 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: Radio app search f s R to listen live. Now 241 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: that the Pack twelves money problems are behind us, well 242 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: not actually behind us, but just behind us in the episode, 243 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: Uh now it's time to move on. We wanted to 244 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: talk about the coaches status is like where their seats 245 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: are going into the season with some intis some patient 246 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: for uh, you know, an understanding of where things stand. 247 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: So we will go in alphabetical order, because I have 248 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: learned that going in alphabetical order is probably the way 249 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: that you should do things. Thanks, Ralph Ampstead, You're welcome. Okay, 250 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: So I don't want this to be difficult on me, 251 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: So I'll let you announce the teams and be responsible 252 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: for the alphabetical order, since alphabetical is apparently so you 253 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: decided you decided to go in alphabetical order, and all 254 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I got to know the alphabet Give 255 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: me one second, So I guess that brings us. But 256 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: obviously the first one is University of Arizona, where Jetfish 257 00:17:51,200 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: is entrenched, um going into what is his second season. Um. 258 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: They had one win last year against a crippled CAL team. Yeah, 259 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm not like a that win doesn't count type of person, 260 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: but if I was. If I was, this would be 261 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: the absolute highest on my list of like should we be? 262 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: Should should we be? This is like that win over 263 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: Cal was, like how the Son's outscored the Mavericks by 264 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: nine in the fourth quarter of the game that they 265 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: lost by forty in Game seven. It's more of a 266 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: moral victory than an actual victory. But a win to win. Uh. 267 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: Despite being quote unquote uh, um, I guess a one 268 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: win team, things seem to be looking up in Tucson, George. 269 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: If you had to rate the safety of Jetfish's job 270 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: at this point in time, where would you rate it 271 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: on a scale of Clay Hilton inferno to to Kyle Whittingham. 272 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: I would go and if Kyle winning him is attend 273 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: and Clay Hilton was a zero in terms of safety, 274 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: I would say that Jetfish is right now at a seven, 275 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: at a seven like that that there is a scenario 276 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: where he could be on the hot seat by the 277 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: end of the season, But the most likely scenario is 278 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: that he it's it's a soft seven, if that makes sense. 279 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: He's he's he's at the blackjack table and he's got 280 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: a six and an ace and the and the dealer 281 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: is showing a seven. You I mean, like he's got 282 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: a soft seven team right now, Buddy so um like so, 283 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: so he's got a soft seven. But a five win 284 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: season would would would put him at a at a 285 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: strong eight, you know what I mean, Like a strong eight, 286 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: like it would solidify and not be you know, fluid, 287 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: because there has to be market improvement because of the 288 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: hype surrounding it. They've increased talent. So five wins for 289 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: this team would would would be like getting a bowl game. 290 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: So one thing that nobody's talking about is that they've 291 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: had more people leave their program than any other team 292 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: in the Pact twelve. But I think the reason that 293 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: nobody's talking about that is those are players from winless 294 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: rosters and they weren't necessarily getting time and they're kind 295 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: of being replaced. And a lot of those players actually 296 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,239 Speaker 1: stuck around an extra year to play last year when 297 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people thought they'd leave. And you don't 298 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: really hear much about people leaving on bad terms. UM, 299 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: so you have you have a lot of players leaving, 300 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: and a couple of them were maybe a little bit 301 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: eye opening, like Majan, right, But they've also had some 302 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: players come in. Everybody uses the phrase trending up. Jet 303 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: Fish seems to be really in touch with what's going 304 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: on in college football. He hasn't complained one time about 305 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: the direction of college football or anything like that. Um 306 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: it might help that he just turned forty six a 307 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, so he's relatively young as far 308 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: as UM head coaches go. Is there a threat George 309 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: of like hey, University of Arizona goes six and six 310 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: against all expectations and then jet Fish becomes a hot 311 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: name on the coaching market, like could are they more 312 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: at risk of losing jet Fish if they succeed than 313 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: or than if they continue to be at the level 314 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: of failure they've had um for the last couple of years. Oh, 315 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: I think that jet jet Fish is not a danger 316 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: of leaving at this point in the point in time, 317 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: I don't think he has enough cashe on his name 318 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: yet as as a head coach to to warrant you know, 319 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: like one of the you know, one of the big 320 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: name programs. Yeah. I guess I wasn't making my point 321 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: clear enough because what I meant to say was as 322 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: college football rapidly changes in the transfer portal and n 323 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: I l era, there will be a premium on coaches 324 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: who get it. Yeah, he seems like he does. So 325 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: does that increase it beyond just making University of Arizona 326 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: look better? There's going to be a run on anybody 327 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: who seems to know what they're doing. Okay, I get that, 328 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: But Jet Fish to me that he's a guy that's 329 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: moved around a lot, and from conversations I've had with him, 330 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that he wants to be that guy. 331 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: I think that he wants to, you know, leave things 332 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: for sure better than what he found them. So if 333 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: an NFL job came up as a head coaching job 334 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: in the next two or three years, then possibly, or 335 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: if you know, if Lincoln Riley for some reason left USC, 336 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: then yeah. But I just don't see him as a 337 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: guy who's going to be willing to just be like, 338 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: all right, cool, I'm out. And also his name doesn't 339 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: have that sort of buzz yet around it. After this season, 340 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: if there's market improvement, because they were a one win team, 341 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: so anything short of like seven wins this year, I 342 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: don't think that you're gonna have as many people pursuing 343 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: him as you will the following season if they if 344 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: they're an eight win team, you know what I mean, yeah, 345 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: the following year. It's just it's fascinating because all it's 346 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: all buzz buzz buzz, Right, Jade Delora comes in, Jordan 347 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: McLeod healthy, Um, they still have I believe they still 348 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: have Um, Will Plumber, Um and Gunner Cruise on the team. Um. 349 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: You know it's but it's I noa f Afita obviously 350 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: coming in as a freshman, but everything with jet Fish 351 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: really depends on whether or not he can be the 352 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: quarterback guru that he was painted to be when they 353 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: ultimately hired him. Yes, he does all of the small 354 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: things right, but can he do the main thing, the 355 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: thing he was hired to do, which is make sure 356 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: that they have a competitive passing offense? You know, because again, 357 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: he does all the little things he Back in April, 358 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: he had Bill Belichick speaking to the team like that 359 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: type of stuff is great peripheral stuff for a head coach, 360 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: but is it? Um, can he do the one thing 361 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do, and that to coach this team 362 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: to winning football. Yeah, that's a legitimate question. That is 363 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: a legitimate question, dude, because winning football is probably more 364 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: important than anything else in this process because if you're 365 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: not winning football games, you have a major league problem. 366 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: And so and so I think that they are on 367 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: the right path. Alright, who's the next team up? Oh? Okay, 368 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: So this is gonna be an interesting one because we 369 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: gotta keep we gotta keep the main thing, the main thing. Here. 370 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: We're here to talk about herm Edwards. We're gonna talk 371 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: about Ray Anderson later in the program. Um, we're just 372 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: talking about what's going on with Herm Edwards at this 373 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: point and what his status is. It's hard to talk 374 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: about that without getting into two Ray Edwards and the 375 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: speak of the Devil's clips and everything like that. But 376 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: just in in on the topic of Herm Edwards alone 377 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: coming off an eight win season, how do you feel 378 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: about his status at Arizona eight? Oh, his status at 379 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: Arizona State. It should be on rocky ground, but it's 380 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: not like it clearly looks like he is a guy 381 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: who is not going to be fired under any circumstances. 382 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: Her I mean, Ray Anderson said as much. So I'm 383 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: not even sure how you can, you know, think anything 384 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: else is going on besides you know, falling apart. I mean, 385 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but but besides, even though things appear to 386 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: be falling apart that that, you know that Ray Anderson 387 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: and Herman Edwards will not be casualties of that, right, Um, So, 388 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: as far as Herm Edwards goes and everything that's going 389 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: on right now, they obviously so so sorry, so so 390 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: I would give him an an eight, even though it 391 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: should be a two. Yeah. Yeah, So they lost their 392 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: starting quarterback, their top two receivers, their top running back, 393 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: their best defensive end and their best linebacker and their 394 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: best up and coming corner all to the transfer portal. Um. 395 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: That's they lost several other players, and they brought a 396 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: few guys in. Um, but I don't know if anybody 397 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: was as damaged as losing like returning starters as Arizona 398 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: State was. And then you know, obviously they had a 399 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: linebacker Um that was implicated in a in a in 400 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: a d y manslaughter case. Um a couple of weeks 401 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: ago that he's not going to be available to play 402 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: for them either. And so, um, this is if Arizona 403 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: State is going to be competitive, it's gonna it largely 404 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: falls completely on the shoulders of her Edwards, right, Like, 405 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 1: if this team is competitive in any way at all, 406 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: based on everything that's happened, it's gonna look really good 407 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: for him. Um, he's kind of kept quiet this offseason. 408 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: He did just Um, he did just headline the National 409 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: Sporting Goods Association Management Conference and Team Dealer Summit and 410 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: give a motivational speech on understanding your role within the team, 411 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: doing your job, adjusting in times of adversity, and always 412 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: doing what's right. What do you think of that? George? 413 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: They always doing what's what, what's right part see, and 414 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: the thing is is that Herm did some stuff that 415 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: that he should not have done in terms of violating 416 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: some of the recruiting rules and all of that. But 417 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 1: I think that he was more asleep at the wheel 418 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: than anything else. Like, I don't think that his part 419 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: in it was And this could be me given Herm 420 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: too much credit, but I think that I think that 421 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: it was I blamed the people around him more than 422 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: I blame HERM, and I'm not sure if that's right. Right. So, 423 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: um again keynote at a Sporting Goods Association UH conference, 424 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: is what Herm Edwards is up to right now? Um? 425 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: You believe that he is UH locked in? And I'm 426 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: not sure it's up to him. I think it really 427 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: comes down to what the n C double A has 428 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: to say. But who knows when that comes out or 429 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: if it ever comes out. So we might be in 430 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: for another five years of of Herm Edwards. Let's go 431 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: to University of California with Justin Wilcox returning both his 432 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: offensive and defensive coordinator, which is very David Shaw of 433 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: him and UH, and they have actually made quite a 434 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: splash in the in the transfer portal. Um that I 435 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: believe they got Odah is Or, who is an infrequent 436 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: starter for U C l A over the last three years. Um, 437 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: they pulled an offensive lineman from Arizona State and Spencer Lovell, 438 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: who was competing to start and should probably go in 439 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: there and make an impact. They actually did a lot 440 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: through the portal, including adding um Jack Plumber from Purdue 441 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: to go in there and compete with Kai Milner for 442 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: the starting quarterback job. They were not shy about using 443 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: the portal, replenishing from the portal, which was shocking. Really. Yeah, 444 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: and then we you know, we have the whole. You know, 445 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: obviously you were intimately involved in this process, um, but 446 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: we have the whole. Like he could have been the 447 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: coach of Oregon this year, but he doubled down on Cow. 448 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: So as CAL committed to him, where where would you 449 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: rate his seat? As far as you know at Cow 450 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: his safe, Oh, his his safety is an an eight 451 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: an eight, and it's not even so much for the 452 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: results on the field. I think that he's more likely 453 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: to leave than Cal list to fire him because and 454 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't think he's likely to leave either because there's 455 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: so many like a lot of coaches don't want that 456 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: Cow job because, as you saw doing COVID, the most 457 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: ridiculous restrictions. Some of them just didn't make sense, which 458 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: made it tough to play. UM. The academic standards obviously, 459 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: the fan support donation, like all of those things make 460 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: it an extremely tough job. And Cow knows that he's 461 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: somebody who wants the job, has proven that he can 462 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: recruit better. So yeah, his seat is is safe. It 463 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: is UM. It is interesting to see Cow embrace the 464 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: transfer portal in the way that they have, and I 465 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: feel like they've gotten solid starter level players uh in 466 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: in multiple positions. Whether or not those players make an 467 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: impact remains to be seen. UM. But you know, I 468 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: look at what Yogi Roth, who you have to read 469 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: between the lines sometimes because he often has all twelve 470 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: Pack twelve teams going twelve and oh um prior to 471 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: the season. But Yogi Roth believes that Jack Plumber is 472 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: a is a pure passer. He believes that the wide 473 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: receivers are explosive, and he thinks that the front seven 474 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: on defense, including Brett Johnson um are are in the 475 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: upper tier of of the Pack twelve. And so if 476 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: cal has a disappointing year after kind of getting hyped 477 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: like that and having coaching continuity, which not a lot 478 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: of other UM schools in the Pack twelve have. Then 479 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: you really don't believe that there's a possibility they could 480 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: let him go. Oh yeah, no, nope, nope, no way 481 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: they let him go. I don't I don't see that 482 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: at all. Okay, well, then let's move on to Carl 483 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: Durrell and the University of Colorado, who did not use 484 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: the transfer portal except to lose players. They they were 485 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: up towards the scholarship limits, so you know, they basically said, 486 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: we're not going to go that direction. But the truth 487 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: is they probably couldn't even if they wanted to. UM 488 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: Carl Durrell made a change at four of the five 489 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: offensive assistant positions, and so that's that is the big 490 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: thing for them is if they can't score points, it's 491 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: hard to envision his return. And the thing that he's 492 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 1: talking about in a lot of his uh preseason press, 493 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: the part of the team that he's most excited about, 494 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: you would hope would be on the offensive side of 495 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: the ball, but it's not. He's in love with the 496 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:51,239 Speaker 1: secondary YEP. So that worries me. But what hap they 497 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: lost their best player in the secondary to the transfer 498 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: portal to organ in Christian Gonzalez. Now well then and 499 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: then they lose corner to USC as well. Yeah, so 500 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: in the in the range of Clay Helton to Kyle Whittingham. 501 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: Carl Durrell is at a five right now, but he's 502 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: trending down, bro. He he could be on the hot seat. 503 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: And I think the biggest mistake that he made this 504 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: offseason was with his offensive coordinator choice. He had the 505 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: opportunity to get Brendan Maryon, who's now at Texas as 506 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: pass game coordinator and wide receiver coach, as his offensive coordinator, innovative, 507 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,959 Speaker 1: all of this stuff, and instead he went and hired 508 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: the guy from Minnesota who has one of the worst 509 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: who had one of the worst offenses in the nation. 510 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: And so I just don't see that as a positive move. 511 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: It is their their offense was a disaster last year. 512 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: I don't see it as much better this year. They 513 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: lost Brendan Rice in the transfer portal, so and he 514 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: was by Jared Brossard into Michigan State. Yeah. Yeah, they 515 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: lost their two best offensive weapons and they're not going 516 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: to be better. So so yes, Carldorella has put himself 517 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: in a position but with the offensive coordinator higher considering 518 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: the the talent because the players were like, na, he's 519 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: signed enough for that, buddy, Uh, now he is going 520 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: to be I would say his c Yeah, yeah, he's 521 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: a five right now. But it could turn into a 522 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: an inferno at Clay Hilton situation real quick. The quietest 523 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: thing that's happening in the Pac twelve right now, which 524 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: I always it always sort of is unnerving that things 525 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: are quiet in the Pac twelve um, because if this 526 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: was a matter of a new starting quarterback coming in 527 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: at any SEC school, you'd have people arguing online about 528 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: whether that quarterback is good day every day. Right, there's 529 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: so much pressure on j T. Shroud to be good 530 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: this year, for Colorado to be competitive. Oh can you 531 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: guess the date the last date on the calendar that 532 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: someone even tweeted J T. Shroud's name. Twitter is a 533 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: big place full of college football fans, Yes, an enormous place. Yes. 534 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: The last time that anybody mentioned J. T. Shroud's name 535 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: on Twitter was April and that was a media member. 536 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: What wait, wait, wait, wait are you saying typed his name, 537 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: or are you saying like like or or added him 538 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: or anything like that. I can tell you the last 539 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: time that somebody added him as well, because uh, April what. Yeah, 540 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: it has been over a month since anybody even used 541 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: his name on the internet. And he is the starting 542 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: quarterback of a power five pack twelve school. And some 543 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: people might think that that means nothing. I think that 544 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: that means a lot. Bro. That means that the excitement 545 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: energy around the team is not where it needs to be. Yeah, 546 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: So for reference, pick any school in the country, like, 547 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: especially one that's probably in the SEC. Well. I actually 548 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: the the Big ten generates the most interest. But let's 549 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: go for Florida because they have a new head coach, 550 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: a young starting quarterback, kay And who is Florida's starting quarterback? 551 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: The kid Williams. Hold on, Um, he's Anthon Anthony richards 552 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson does Okay, let's see how often Anthony Richardson 553 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: And I'll even say Anthony Richardson Florida in the event 554 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: that it's just a popular name. So the term Anthony 555 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: Richardson Florida. Uh. Somebody recorded a podcast just yesterday asking 556 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: if it's Anthony richards time with the Florida Gators. There 557 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: are fans arguing whether or not he should have been 558 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: included in seven's Top ten quarterbacks going into next year. 559 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: There's a locked on podcast from two days ago talking 560 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: solely about Anthony Richardson. Um, there's a YouTube channel that 561 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: put out a video on Anthony Richardson from There are 562 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: people trying to sell signed trading cards of Anthony Richardson 563 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: in the last two days. Um. Yeah, no, everybody's there's 564 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of people talking about Anthony Richardson. J T. 565 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: Shroud has not been mentioned on the internet in a month. 566 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: In fact, I'm gonna go to the Pack twelve Apostles 567 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: Twitter account right now and I'm just gonna tweet the 568 00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: name j T. Shroud because he deserves better. No context. 569 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: Follow Pack tole Apostles on Twitter. If you favorite this tweet, 570 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: if you listen to this episode, and if you can 571 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: find a favorite this tweet will give you a shout out. 572 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm just tweeting j T. Shrapped. They're no context at all, 573 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: tweet scent. The clock has been reset. Colorado fans, Fox 574 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 575 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot 576 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: Com and within the I Heart Radio app search f 577 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: s R to listen live. Al Right, Okay, who's our 578 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: who's our next team? Uh? Your boys? Your boys, Oregon University. 579 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: It's crazy that the alphabetical order in the PAC twelve 580 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: goes like a c oh like nothing in between. So 581 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 1: there's a lot on the back half. Uh, Dan, Dan 582 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: Landing seat is at a it's at a soft eight 583 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: and a hal nine right now. He would burn his 584 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: ass on the ice if he sat down. Yes, he 585 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: has Oregon fans so hyped up right now. Um, just 586 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: with the recruiting and also and maybe Oklahoma fans should 587 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: take up, should take notice. That's like the best way 588 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: to get over somebody is to get under and support 589 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: somebody else is to get under somebody else. Like like 590 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: what I would like to see from Oklahoma fans is 591 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: them just hyping up venibles, right, But they're not. They're 592 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: still piste off about Lincoln Riley. I think Oregon fans 593 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: for the most part, have let Cristo Ball go or 594 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: are trying to show Crista Ball whose boss by yes, 595 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 1: by just by just tweeting about how awesome Dan Lanning 596 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: you are, right bro? There is nothing hot about this 597 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: seat at all. This is the only reason why it 598 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: can't be Kyle Whittingham is because he hasn't played yet, so, 599 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't coached the game yet. But this 600 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: is as close as you can get to a non 601 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,439 Speaker 1: ejecto seat then, I mean, like to where like you would. 602 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: The only way Kyle Whittingham could get fired is if 603 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: he were on tape, uh, saying saying the things that 604 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: is former defensive coordinator said, And even then he might 605 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: not yea so so yeah, So then I guess next 606 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: is the the kids in Core Wallis and Jonathan Smith, right, 607 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: who just received an extension. I know that doesn't necessarily 608 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Uh, they 609 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: did not bring in a transfer quarterback, but they do 610 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: have a lot of team continuity. Um. I think that 611 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: we have spent so many years talking about what a 612 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: fantastic coach he is based on the level of talent 613 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: that he has, But I'm pretty sure at this point 614 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: he has reached a point where every single player on 615 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: that team is due to him and his staff. Right. 616 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: It's we're at the point where it's it's completely his machine. 617 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: So if they don't succeed. I feel like there's a 618 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: possibility that there's some risk of his shine finally wearing off. 619 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, no, no, no, no way, dude. He's a 620 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: son of the program. He he's a nine in terms 621 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: of safety. Okay, here's a son of the program. But 622 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: if Scott Frost doesn't succeed in Nebraska this year, he's 623 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: done correct. But but the expectations are different for Scott 624 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 1: Frost as opposed to Jonathan Smith, who's gotten the team better. 625 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,919 Speaker 1: Like that, like the team is like they went from 626 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 1: not competing to like now they are a threat and 627 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: they just beat Oregon not last year but the but 628 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 1: the year prior. They and you know, they have an 629 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: opportunity two, Like when you look at their schedule, they 630 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: have Boise State. If they beat Boise State, they're in 631 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:28,359 Speaker 1: good shape. Yeah, and then they have Fresno State as well. 632 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: If they beat both of those teams, they are on 633 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: the path. And then after that they have Montana or 634 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: Montana State wanted one wanted to and so yeah, so 635 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: there is an opportunity for them too, you know, for 636 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 1: them to win, especially if they start out three and oh, 637 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 1: which is very possible, right, which is very possible. But 638 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: the boys the state game is obviously going to be 639 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: tough Fresno State, new new coach, but old coach in Tedford. Yeah, 640 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: they have a chance to start out three. And oh 641 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: and then it gets difficult with USC and with uh Utah. 642 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: But the USC game is in Corvallis and Lincoln Riley 643 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 1: has not been to Corvallis, right, And and what does 644 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: Oregon State like to do run the football? Right? Yeah? Yeah? 645 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: What is USC terrible at you're making You're making an 646 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: interesting point and I never even would have considered that 647 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: that was gonna be competitive, But yeah, I mean it's 648 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: very possible that they do what they do and oh god, 649 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: and how well would that go over with USC losing 650 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,000 Speaker 1: in Corvallis and to make it make Oklahoma fans happy? 651 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,439 Speaker 1: So here's the deal. Like we said, you know, there's 652 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,879 Speaker 1: a ton of pressure on j T. Sh out Um 653 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: to to save Carl Durrell's job. It very much feels 654 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: like not only did they not bring in a transfer quarterback, 655 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: but that Jonathan Smith is really wanting to give Chance 656 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: Nolan another go and design runs for it. He he 657 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: so not only does he want the Chance Nolan show 658 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: to continue, he wants Chance Nolan picking up first downs 659 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: of his feet. He has said as much recently in 660 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:39,240 Speaker 1: the media. How do you feel about that? It's smart? 661 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,800 Speaker 1: It is smart when your quarterback is a threat. Then 662 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: then and and he knows he doesn't have a great quarterback. 663 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,919 Speaker 1: He's got to and so now he has to do 664 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: more things to make him successful in in the situation. 665 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: So I think it's smart. How interesting would that be 666 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: if it was you know, you have J T. Daniels 667 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: considering or in State, but he doesn't make the move 668 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: because the offense just makes more sense with the mobile quarterback. 669 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,479 Speaker 1: So they roll with Chance Nolan and have success. That'd 670 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 1: be a hell of a story for organ State. Oh yeah. 671 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: But if it fails, though, it's also gonna not look 672 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 1: so great on him. And so I don't know if 673 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: I feel as confident as you do um in that regard. 674 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: Uh So, next up, if I know how to properly 675 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: operate the alphabet. We have the University of Stanford. Whoa, 676 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: whoa whoa you you you have already screwed up? Did 677 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: I say University of Stanford? Delete that? Because my kid 678 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: wants to go there. And and if if that affects 679 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: his admissions process. He's going to be upset. So and 680 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: that's David Shaw. The team that was two and seven 681 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: in conference last year, three and nine overall. Uh no changes, 682 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: no staff changes, because then what what? What have I 683 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,919 Speaker 1: been saying for the last s since we've been doing 684 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: this podcast about David Shaw and Stanford and intellectual brutality 685 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: and everything that's going on. It's over. They are trending 686 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: the wrong way. But I do think that they will 687 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 1: be better this year. I think that that they that 688 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,280 Speaker 1: they're making some philosophical changes which will help them be 689 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: better because last year was was awful. Dude was absolutely awful, 690 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:38,320 Speaker 1: and like in beating Oregon didn't even help. So I 691 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: look at that. I look at this season as a pivotal, 692 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: pivotal one for David Shaw because I think his seat 693 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: is super safe. I think he's a nine, but he 694 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: could find himself a two after this season if they 695 00:47:54,040 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: don't win, because they're not gonna fire David Shaw, but 696 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: they but they but they will if if there's another 697 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: three and nine season, yeah, they either will make a 698 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: move or say, listen, next year's your final opportunity and 699 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: if not, we will fire you. I like David Shaw. 700 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: I love having him in the Pack twelve. I love 701 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 1: what Stanford brings to the table is just sort of 702 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: being being different, being out on their own and the 703 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: way that they recruit. They just have to find a 704 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: way to be competitive. And I think that he better 705 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,840 Speaker 1: than anyone, with all the time that he spends on 706 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: NFL draft shows, knows the type of player that you 707 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,359 Speaker 1: need in order to be successful, in the type of 708 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: offense you need to run in order to be successful. Um. 709 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: And it would suck to lose a coach who's as 710 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 1: fourth right and out there with his opinions as he is, 711 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: because it feels like nobody feels safer to to express 712 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: how they feel, which we didn't even talk about. He 713 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,480 Speaker 1: did again recently when he talked about the possible Pack 714 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,360 Speaker 1: twelve scheduling changes. Um. And if you didn't listen to 715 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,399 Speaker 1: last week's episode, you can go back and and and 716 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: listen to that and how we talked about how you 717 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 1: know the divisions are breaking up and everything. Um. But 718 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,399 Speaker 1: he said the biggest non negotiable for him is that 719 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 1: and for every California school is that they will always 720 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,840 Speaker 1: play each other, will never never have a season where 721 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: Stanford doesn't have cal SC and U c l A 722 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 1: on their schedule. He's saying that those are not negotiable, Like, 723 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of people in the PAC 724 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: twelve who would just come out and and bully the 725 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: commissioner like that, but do it in a way that 726 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: everybody respects. Right, So I don't know. I I want 727 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,760 Speaker 1: them to be good enough for him to stick around. 728 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: You say, they might not even need to be good enough, 729 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: but I want them to be good enough for him 730 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: to stick around, just because I can't imagine the PAC 731 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:53,320 Speaker 1: twelve without without him in it. Oh, oh for sure, 732 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 1: for sure? Um yeah, yeah. I just hope he does 733 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,319 Speaker 1: better because I don't want him to be fired at all, 734 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:09,520 Speaker 1: at all. All right, the next school not see now 735 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: we're getting to the complicated parts of the use you 736 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 1: used the WUS you are w I'm not a big 737 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 1: end of the alphabet person, t s tu. Let's talk 738 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 1: about Chip Kelly. Mr. My play cards at Oregon didn't 739 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: mean anything and the U c l A. Bruins heading 740 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: into this season, he signed an extension, which I think 741 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 1: was kind of a surprise. I know that that's how 742 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: college football works, period, but like for Martin Jerman, the 743 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,399 Speaker 1: u c l A athletic director to commit to Chip 744 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 1: Kelly in that way when they've shown progress, but they 745 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: haven't shown the type of progress they really need to 746 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 1: show to justify the investment in chip Kelly, who is 747 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: supposed to be the program savior. Um is his seat 748 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:09,600 Speaker 1: hot at all? At all? Because of the extension? No? No, 749 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: but last year bought him a lot of goodwill getting 750 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 1: eight wins and then they didn't get a chance to 751 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,359 Speaker 1: play their ball game because of COVID, So he bought 752 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,400 Speaker 1: a lot of goodwill. The extension makes it impossible for 753 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: him to be fired. So I would say his seat 754 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: is a is a ten? Is a ten safe for 755 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: this season? Wow, that's safest in the PAC twelveth safe 756 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,240 Speaker 1: as you can possibly be. Yes, Yes, he's not getting 757 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: fired after this year because of the extension, no matter 758 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 1: what happens. He did just land a big time recruit 759 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:58,200 Speaker 1: running back Roderick Robinson, class of out of Lincoln High School. 760 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: They're paying more attention to recruiting now a little bit 761 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,720 Speaker 1: are they paying more? I mean I feel like this fits. 762 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: This kid physically fits the type of thing that they're 763 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 1: looking for. Maybe he had a good sleep study and 764 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: didn't have any lobster allergies or whatever else they need 765 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:23,400 Speaker 1: extend and offered yep, yeah, so no, they are doing better. 766 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, he's nowhere near the ejective seat. All right, Um, 767 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 1: I think that the the the next one is probably 768 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 1: the second easiest in the pact, like the like the 769 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 1: rest of these are pretty easy because it is USC 770 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,560 Speaker 1: and Lincoln Riley. You can't get any safer than Lincoln 771 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: Riley is right right now, I still feel like it's delicate. 772 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,920 Speaker 1: It is delicate, but for this year, no, no, no no, 773 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: see see what's what what's delicate is USC's fan base 774 00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 1: sentiment about him. But whether he is the head, whether 775 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,759 Speaker 1: he will be fired, that is an absolute negatory, no 776 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: freaking chance that he gets fired. They barely were able 777 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,320 Speaker 1: to to to to round up enough energy to to 778 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: to get him, so so to fire him and owe him, 779 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,760 Speaker 1: even if it's just a contract like ninety million dollars 780 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,919 Speaker 1: bro a, no a, no way, there's no fucking way 781 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 1: they fire him. Yeah, I just I just I think 782 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: I think this is a fantastic hire for for UM 783 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: USC and I think overall good for the conference. Right. 784 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,239 Speaker 1: You know, there's people that aren't back to pack out there, 785 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 1: and I at this point several years in, understand your 786 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: argument and just disagree. Um, but let's just be really 787 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 1: clear here. They traded an air raid system with elite 788 00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 1: passers and five star wideouts for an air raid system 789 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 1: with elite passers, and that so far, Am I wrong? No, no, no, 790 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 1: you that's that's pretty much the trade so far. Yep. 791 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: And they still need to be better on the defensive 792 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,399 Speaker 1: front and the defensive front seven. Everybody wants talking about 793 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 1: the Reggie Bush era. Everybody wants talking about Reggie Bush era, 794 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: and not the fact that they had four of the 795 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 1: top five linebackers in college football on the same roster exactly, 796 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 1: and not the fact that like their worst offensive lineman 797 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 1: probably on that squad was like Douce Latui who went 798 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 1: second round to the Arizona Cardinals. Bro. People forget about 799 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,560 Speaker 1: him as well. So yeah they So if Lincoln Riley 800 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,000 Speaker 1: isn't a tin, what what what the hell else is 801 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: he did? Ralph? I think you're right. I just think that. 802 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 1: I just think now, I think you're right, man. I 803 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 1: guess they're always like there's always the New York Giants call, 804 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 1: there's always the like lack of safety in your job 805 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:19,160 Speaker 1: because of your indemendedness. Yes, but no, no, okay, listen 806 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,239 Speaker 1: that it's gonna be tough to bigger, better deal, the 807 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 1: deal that he got right now, and the and the 808 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,960 Speaker 1: location and everything else here. It's gonna take him a 809 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,239 Speaker 1: while to grow tired of that. Hey, location doesn't matter. 810 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,839 Speaker 1: If Sean McVeigh retires after this year, you're damn right. 811 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 1: But but this is not about being about taking another job. 812 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,799 Speaker 1: This is about being fired. But but yes, oh god, 813 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 1: oh my god, USC fans would cry so bad brock 814 00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 1: Very retires and they take linking Riley. They're gonna be 815 00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: like mother there. Yeah, oh my god. If the Rams 816 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl again and he retires, especially if 817 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,160 Speaker 1: he was like almost about to do it this year 818 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: and he's still partying up at Draft DA when they 819 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,479 Speaker 1: don't have any first round picks, making fun of other 820 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,880 Speaker 1: people's picks on camera. He's living the life. Man. I 821 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,560 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I just here. I think 822 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,759 Speaker 1: that USC will be better and I hope that they 823 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,400 Speaker 1: will be definitely not get embarrassed in their out of 824 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,720 Speaker 1: conference schedule anymore. Like that that stuff matters to me. Um, 825 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,960 Speaker 1: But as it stands right now, it really feels like 826 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 1: they they just um are are doing more of the 827 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: same there shine and ship as it as it goes. 828 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: But we'll see um. So next up, uh, we we 829 00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:54,800 Speaker 1: have Utah, which you have referred repeatedly in this segment 830 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,239 Speaker 1: to Kyle Whittingham being the most safe job in the 831 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:03,319 Speaker 1: fact weelve. Yeah, there, there's there's nothing to say. I mean, 832 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,240 Speaker 1: like absent of him being on the on the camera 833 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,000 Speaker 1: being like inn where and where and where and where 834 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,399 Speaker 1: f dans I mean like aside from that or him 835 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 1: on camera like like like like he would have to 836 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: be on like like he would have to get caught 837 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:28,040 Speaker 1: with kitty porn to get to get fired. Yeah. Probably, 838 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's he is. I feel like he's the 839 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: closest thing the Pack twelve has to the coach that 840 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,040 Speaker 1: he used to coach under Lavell Edwards where it's just 841 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,680 Speaker 1: like you're you are a lifer. People will always associate 842 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,960 Speaker 1: you with this school. Yes, dude, and and I don't 843 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,920 Speaker 1: want to use this dude and and I'm gonna use 844 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,080 Speaker 1: this guy's name, but he's like the Bobby bout In 845 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:59,480 Speaker 1: or um or Joe Paterno for Penn state absent the scandal. 846 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, like, he's their hero and he's there 847 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 1: as long as he wants to be yes, and he's winning. 848 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,439 Speaker 1: So like that's with the opportunity to go on a 849 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 1: serious run. Even even what's so infuriating for anybody else 850 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 1: that's in the conference was like, oh, man, like Utah 851 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,400 Speaker 1: already has trouble recruiting, and now they introduced n I 852 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,560 Speaker 1: L Like Utah is at another disadvantage. They don't care. 853 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: They literally do not care. They're gonna do things the 854 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,680 Speaker 1: way that they do them, and then they're gonna have success. 855 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: And everybody else is trying to make these tiny adjustments 856 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,320 Speaker 1: to get all these advantages. And and then you even 857 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,960 Speaker 1: have teams that tried to do it that same way. 858 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 1: Get the our kind of guys, bring them in, develop them, 859 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,840 Speaker 1: but nobody has the patients that Utah has. Yep, and 860 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,320 Speaker 1: they're trying to recruit better now too. So yeah, it's 861 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 1: it's a it's a wrap, all right, we got you, dub. 862 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 1: This is a really interesting one. Um. You know, you 863 00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,000 Speaker 1: keep bringing up the fact that like, uh, you brought 864 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,440 Speaker 1: it up through the entire short Jimmy Lake era that 865 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,160 Speaker 1: like recruiting is falling off. Without Peterson, recruiting is falling off. 866 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,480 Speaker 1: And so much of the recruiting success under Chris Peterson 867 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 1: was actually attributed to Jimmy Lake. But the truth is 868 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,360 Speaker 1: it was a whole staff effort, and Jimmy Lake, in 869 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 1: order to assert his dominance on that program, fired a 870 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,840 Speaker 1: bunch of people and cut off the continuity of the 871 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:23,560 Speaker 1: staff um, which is absolutely his prerogative to have done, 872 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,160 Speaker 1: but it hurt him in the long Runklin de bar 873 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 1: is in there and Caln de boars one everywhere he's been. 874 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 1: There's a lot of well earned hype around Calin de Boor, 875 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:39,560 Speaker 1: but they're still not really landing anybody of consequence. And 876 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback that they're currently in play for, George. Do 877 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,320 Speaker 1: you want to know his his his current final four? 878 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,200 Speaker 1: He's out of South Dakota. He Oh, his final four 879 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 1: are like Wyoming, Uh, Wyoming, Washington and oh my god, 880 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 1: I forgot the two other like wax Schools. No, it's 881 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,600 Speaker 1: North Dakota State. It's really coming down to like North 882 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Dakota State or Washington. Probably bro just and why Wyoming 883 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,560 Speaker 1: was was on his top four? Right? No, No, you've 884 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: made the mistake that everybody made my entire childhood being 885 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: from Wyoming, it was Wisconsin. Oh yes, yes, but but 886 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:26,080 Speaker 1: apparently with he wasn't a take for Wisconsin or something. So, 887 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,840 Speaker 1: but if you're Washington, just the fact that you are 888 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:35,400 Speaker 1: debating with the recruit about North, about South, about North 889 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 1: Dakota State and you even though they've had a number 890 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,680 Speaker 1: one pick in the NFL Draft and a number three 891 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,520 Speaker 1: pick in the NFL Draft in the last ten years 892 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,840 Speaker 1: at that position. Yeah, at this point you gotta have 893 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,960 Speaker 1: to consider northat you want to play in the NFL. 894 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,040 Speaker 1: So like it's more understandable than people want to make it. 895 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,520 Speaker 1: But it's just not something that I'm used to seeing. 896 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm deciding between University of Washington and 897 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: and and an FCS school. Dude, that is a that 898 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,560 Speaker 1: should be very humbling. Did you speaking of humbling? And 899 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,440 Speaker 1: I don't mean for because I actually really like I 900 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,320 Speaker 1: like the University of Washington, I like Kayalen de Boer. 901 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,919 Speaker 1: I'm not your breed of hater. But did you see 902 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:26,520 Speaker 1: their spring scrimmage? Uh? I saw part of it, but 903 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,479 Speaker 1: me watching me and you watching it. Um, I would 904 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,200 Speaker 1: venture to say that more people watched it on television, 905 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,600 Speaker 1: them them we're well on YouTube or clips of it 906 01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,280 Speaker 1: than was actually in the stands. I have seen more 907 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,320 Speaker 1: people now that I've moved to the South, I have 908 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 1: seen more people in a Chick fil A drive through 909 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,120 Speaker 1: than I saw in the crowd at that scrimmage. And 910 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 1: that was shocking to me because like the sun was 911 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,200 Speaker 1: out for one of the sixty days a year that 912 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,960 Speaker 1: it is overhead and it just did there wasn't There 913 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,920 Speaker 1: wasn't anybody there. Yeah, which is that's sad, dude, because 914 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:05,360 Speaker 1: Oregan have like people there. USC just got Lincoln Riley. 915 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:10,280 Speaker 1: They barely had anybody at theirs Utah's was was was 916 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,240 Speaker 1: well attended. It's it just sucks, dude. If it's weird, 917 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,480 Speaker 1: it's weird because they have a really strong Yes they do. 918 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,200 Speaker 1: They have a great fan base. And yes, I'm saying 919 01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,840 Speaker 1: Washington has a great fan base. So help me out 920 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,120 Speaker 1: with this, Like what so how much leeway does a 921 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 1: brand new coach have who is kind of a smaller name. Um, 922 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: after they got rid of a coach after one year, 923 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna give them two years if recruiting doesn't pick 924 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:45,080 Speaker 1: up the second year and depending on their record, because 925 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:50,480 Speaker 1: Washington for this season, they could be. So they start 926 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:55,240 Speaker 1: out at Kent State, I mean, are we sure about that? 927 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,240 Speaker 1: Because because they don't even have their quarterback position a 928 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,720 Speaker 1: hundred percent solidified at and we saw what happened last 929 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,640 Speaker 1: year against Montana, So everything's on the table. Um, Portland's State, 930 01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna beat them. They're not gonna beat Michigan State. 931 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,680 Speaker 1: And then from there the Pack twelve schedule, like you 932 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:19,280 Speaker 1: could be looking at a five or six win team, 933 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,800 Speaker 1: which as long as they show as long as they 934 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,640 Speaker 1: show some life, yes offense, I think that would be acceptable, correct, 935 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,640 Speaker 1: particularly on offense, because they are going to take a 936 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,360 Speaker 1: little bit of a regression on defense, which have been 937 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,960 Speaker 1: their calling card. So and they just lost Jacobe Covington 938 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,920 Speaker 1: to USC, I believe, yeah at a corner. Yeah, so 939 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,520 Speaker 1: like that, And but he's still got some talent in 940 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,080 Speaker 1: the defensive backfield, it's just not at the it's hard 941 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:53,360 Speaker 1: to stay at that level over over the freaking decade. Yeah, yep, um, 942 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:58,280 Speaker 1: and especially with so many coaching changes. So yeah, um yeah. 943 01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:03,560 Speaker 1: So I think Kaylin Dubor is at a I'm put 944 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,200 Speaker 1: him at a soft seven, a soft seven. He's just 945 01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,280 Speaker 1: like the the other. He's just like Jet Jet fish 946 01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,840 Speaker 1: soft Soft seven. We don't know which way it's going 947 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 1: to go, but it could definitely go either either way. 948 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,520 Speaker 1: Like it's super fluid. Fox Sports Radio has the best 949 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,360 Speaker 1: sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our 950 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,880 Speaker 1: shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and within the 951 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,040 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app search f s R to listen live. 952 01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:40,560 Speaker 1: So that leaves us with Washington State and Jake dickert who. Um, 953 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you a tweet from May sixteen from 954 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:48,080 Speaker 1: Chris vannini Um, who is a senior writer with The Athletic. 955 01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,600 Speaker 1: He had filed a FOIA request for information. I'm guessing 956 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,160 Speaker 1: on Nick Rolovich's fire and the entire thing that went 957 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,600 Speaker 1: down there with Nick Rolovich and a couple of assistants 958 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,160 Speaker 1: refusing to get vaccinated which led to the coaching change 959 01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,520 Speaker 1: in the the middle of the season, And the only 960 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,240 Speaker 1: thing that he was provided with in this Freedom of 961 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,560 Speaker 1: Information Act request was this change in the contract memo 962 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,520 Speaker 1: from Nick Rolovich's contract to Jake Dickard's contract. I'm gonna 963 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,400 Speaker 1: read you Nick Rolovich's and I'm gonna reach Jake Dickerts 964 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,800 Speaker 1: and see if you can tell the difference this is 965 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,120 Speaker 1: Nick Rolovich is the coach will have a duty to 966 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,880 Speaker 1: manage and operate the football program and compliance with university 967 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,200 Speaker 1: rules and C double A rules and requirements, and in 968 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,360 Speaker 1: conformance with all state laws, including the Washington State Ethics 969 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,400 Speaker 1: Act and the Washington Public Records and federal laws including 970 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,000 Speaker 1: Title nine. That was Nick Rolovich's This is Jake Dickart's 971 01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,920 Speaker 1: contract memo. The head coach will have a duty to 972 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,640 Speaker 1: manage and operate the football program and compliance with university 973 01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,960 Speaker 1: rules and C double A rules and requirements, and in 974 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 1: conformance with all state laws, including Washington State Ethics Act 975 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,320 Speaker 1: and Washington Public Records and federal laws including Title nine. Additionally, 976 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,120 Speaker 1: the coach will need to operate in conformance with all federal, state, 977 01:05:52,200 --> 01:06:03,280 Speaker 1: and local public health requirements. Yeah, obvious, bro. That Okay, 978 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:09,479 Speaker 1: So where do you think that he is is on 979 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,000 Speaker 1: the on the hot seat level? Because I think that 980 01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:18,320 Speaker 1: he is at a five right now, I, you know, yeah, 981 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,800 Speaker 1: because this could go but but it's kind of a 982 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,560 Speaker 1: solid five like that. I don't think that they're gonna 983 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,760 Speaker 1: fire him after this year unless that there's a unmitigated disaster. 984 01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,040 Speaker 1: But I don't think that he's on the most solid 985 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:40,240 Speaker 1: footing in the Pac twelve, Like I don't think so. Yeah, Um, 986 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,520 Speaker 1: so here here's the deal with with Jake Dickard. He's 987 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,760 Speaker 1: gonna be given Um, there's no way he's not the 988 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:52,120 Speaker 1: coach in you don't He's gonna be given some some 989 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,960 Speaker 1: grace and some runway here because this is like this 990 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,000 Speaker 1: is also Pat Chun's reputation and all. There's a whole 991 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,600 Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff going on. Right, Um, he's already 992 01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 1: spent some time as the interim head coach. They are 993 01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,920 Speaker 1: moving on from what was probably the second or third 994 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:16,120 Speaker 1: best quarterback in the Pack twelve to bringing in a transfer. 995 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,760 Speaker 1: And while that's a big risk, they're already hyping cam 996 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Ward like he's the guy the way they used to 997 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,840 Speaker 1: hype the efference quarterbacks that would come into play it Oregon. 998 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Like it's that level of hype, right And uh So, 999 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, I've got I've got questions about whether 1000 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:40,840 Speaker 1: Jake Dickert can build and sustain a football team. But 1001 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,120 Speaker 1: John Wilner wrote a really interesting article about how Jake 1002 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:50,120 Speaker 1: Dickert was actually at that school um where the coach 1003 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:55,600 Speaker 1: got arrested um for child porn. But it was just 1004 01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:02,440 Speaker 1: his kids playing in the bath just is terrible, right, 1005 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:06,480 Speaker 1: but like so so Dickert was on that staff and 1006 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,240 Speaker 1: the head coach was basically let go and they replaced him. 1007 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:16,320 Speaker 1: And then when that head coach was cleared um of 1008 01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,800 Speaker 1: any wrongdoing, he had accepted another job. His name is 1009 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,920 Speaker 1: Todd Hoffner. He had accepted another job. But when he 1010 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,680 Speaker 1: was cleared, he was given the option to to to 1011 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,240 Speaker 1: stay at Mano State where or or Mino State or 1012 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,400 Speaker 1: however you pronounced it where he had taken the head 1013 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:36,599 Speaker 1: coaching job, or go back to Minnesota State and co 1014 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,920 Speaker 1: coach with the guy that replaced him. And he chose 1015 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,240 Speaker 1: to return to Minnesota State and co coach, which caused 1016 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,759 Speaker 1: the players to stage of protest and refused to practice. 1017 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,479 Speaker 1: Jake Dickert was there for all that. This is the 1018 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:57,280 Speaker 1: second major upheaval that he has been um underf for Bro, 1019 01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:02,280 Speaker 1: He's listening. Note, don't hired Jake Dicker because if you 1020 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:07,080 Speaker 1: are the head coach, because because you're because your dusty 1021 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,320 Speaker 1: corners will be exposed. All right, Well, he worked for 1022 01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,120 Speaker 1: my guy at Wyoming and he's he's still firmly entrenched. 1023 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,559 Speaker 1: So but I would say this, like so he's no 1024 01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,400 Speaker 1: stranger to chaos, So I don't think that's going to 1025 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,120 Speaker 1: be the thing that that does him in. I think 1026 01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,759 Speaker 1: that he has the life experience and he has proven 1027 01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,240 Speaker 1: that he can handle a program in tumult But can 1028 01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:31,960 Speaker 1: he can he with what tumult? What is tumult t 1029 01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:36,840 Speaker 1: U m U l T turmoil? Come on, now, you 1030 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,840 Speaker 1: went to University of Oregon. Have you ever heard of tumultuous? 1031 01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:51,639 Speaker 1: What is tumult? Tumult like tumultuous? Yes? Yeah, yes, tumultuous 1032 01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:59,200 Speaker 1: or turmoil? What the hell is tumult tumultuous? It's without 1033 01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:05,439 Speaker 1: the US at the end. Okay, it means confusion. Alright, cool, 1034 01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:10,559 Speaker 1: because well well that's what you just created so using words, 1035 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,080 Speaker 1: all right? Um, all right, Well that's the end of 1036 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,160 Speaker 1: the coaching hot seats. But there was something else so 1037 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:24,360 Speaker 1: there before we get to Ray Anderson. Actually no, let's 1038 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,240 Speaker 1: do Ray Anderson first and then go to the next thing. 1039 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,960 Speaker 1: But so, Ray Anderson was on the Speak of the 1040 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,879 Speaker 1: Devil's podcast. You made this aware. Uh made me aware 1041 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,920 Speaker 1: of this happening, and it was so incredible that as 1042 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,840 Speaker 1: I was listening to it, I had to take notes. 1043 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,920 Speaker 1: I literally had to take notes on this because I 1044 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, hold up, this doesn't make sense 1045 01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,680 Speaker 1: to me. And if you can answer these questions to 1046 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,240 Speaker 1: uh for me, I will feel better. Okay, can you 1047 01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,640 Speaker 1: do you believe me when I say that I was 1048 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,479 Speaker 1: listening to this in my backyard and I yelled out 1049 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,960 Speaker 1: loud at nobody in particular three times in the first 1050 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,040 Speaker 1: three minutes of the interview. Okay, So all right, what 1051 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,080 Speaker 1: what I'll let you go there. What what were your 1052 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,920 Speaker 1: first things? And what what were the things that made 1053 01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:24,439 Speaker 1: you yell? Um? I think when he said that every 1054 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,120 Speaker 1: athletic director in the country is dealing with the same 1055 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:35,200 Speaker 1: issues of their players leaving for greener pastures basically made 1056 01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,800 Speaker 1: it sound like everybody's in the same place as far 1057 01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:39,719 Speaker 1: as n I yell, affecting them in a way where 1058 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,479 Speaker 1: you could lose your your players. And all I kept 1059 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:49,160 Speaker 1: yelling was no, it's not it's not the same exactly. No, 1060 01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:54,240 Speaker 1: it's not not even a little bit. Bro. It's if 1061 01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,400 Speaker 1: you if you want to be offended at University of 1062 01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:03,320 Speaker 1: Colorado where you you didn't you just plane lost your 1063 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:09,160 Speaker 1: best talent to other places. That's fine, But the University 1064 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:14,040 Speaker 1: of Colorado didn't chase their talent out. Maybe you could 1065 01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,280 Speaker 1: make the argument that Brendan Rice left after the offensive 1066 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:23,360 Speaker 1: coordinator decision wasn't one that would have kept him around. Yeah, maybe, 1067 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,000 Speaker 1: but they were lucky to ever have him in the 1068 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:31,240 Speaker 1: first place, um, because he committed to the offensive coordinator 1069 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,680 Speaker 1: they had in place, the one they fiveed Derkaverine. So 1070 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,479 Speaker 1: that that's a little bit different than coming out and 1071 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,960 Speaker 1: saying we're not going to get in an arms race 1072 01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,519 Speaker 1: and then watching all your players who had no intention 1073 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,400 Speaker 1: of leaving, then decide that it was the time to leave. 1074 01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:55,280 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, bro. So the thing about the about the 1075 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,760 Speaker 1: arms race thing where he said it's not an advantage 1076 01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,920 Speaker 1: or a disadvantage, I was like, what do you mean. 1077 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,439 Speaker 1: It's not like you're not in a position where it's 1078 01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,640 Speaker 1: an advantage or a disadvantage. You do not stay in 1079 01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,640 Speaker 1: the middle. It's either hurting you or helping you. You 1080 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,559 Speaker 1: are always getting better or getting worse. You are never 1081 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,760 Speaker 1: staying the same. So with that said, he went on 1082 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,639 Speaker 1: to go talk about the pro model, Oh, the pro 1083 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,360 Speaker 1: model to pro model to pro model, And I think 1084 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,439 Speaker 1: that this is that when you say this to kids, 1085 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:32,759 Speaker 1: you are actually doing them make dis service because the 1086 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,480 Speaker 1: vast majority of your team, even if you are Alabama, 1087 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,000 Speaker 1: is not going to go pro. They are not going 1088 01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,400 Speaker 1: to have a professional career. So the idea that you're 1089 01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:47,160 Speaker 1: selling them on this pro model when the majority of 1090 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,800 Speaker 1: them are not gonna go pro is negligent to me. 1091 01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,120 Speaker 1: And why not help the kids get a head start 1092 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,760 Speaker 1: in life with with the N I L stuff. If 1093 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,360 Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to make hundreds of thousands of 1094 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,800 Speaker 1: dollars or fifties of thousands or whatever, you're gonna give 1095 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:12,000 Speaker 1: yourself a head start in life. And instead of focusing 1096 01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:16,160 Speaker 1: on that, I think it is wrong to oh, pro model, 1097 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:19,479 Speaker 1: pro model, pro model, bro. The majority of your guys 1098 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:24,439 Speaker 1: are not going pro. Even if you're at Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, 1099 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:29,720 Speaker 1: they're the majority of them are not, So to pretend 1100 01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:36,360 Speaker 1: like they are, especially at Arizona State, is foolish and 1101 01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,479 Speaker 1: can I can I? Can I speak to that real quick? 1102 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,360 Speaker 1: So that's what they said they were going to do 1103 01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,559 Speaker 1: coming in. Yeah, it was the pro model stuff. Right 1104 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,599 Speaker 1: now they're saying they're gonna double down and refocus on it, 1105 01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,479 Speaker 1: but they've never said what it is. They've never said 1106 01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,920 Speaker 1: what it is. They just said we're going to do 1107 01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:01,040 Speaker 1: a better job than other people preparing players to get drafted. 1108 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,519 Speaker 1: Not if they don't go to your school. Yeah, not 1109 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,080 Speaker 1: if they don't go to your school. Herm Edwards has 1110 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,439 Speaker 1: not proven that he can take a three star talent 1111 01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,719 Speaker 1: the way they can at Wyoming or North Dakota State 1112 01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:19,599 Speaker 1: and get them to the NFL level. He has not 1113 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:26,599 Speaker 1: proven that. Moreover, George, they don't want those players. They 1114 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,240 Speaker 1: want the three star talent. They want the guys that 1115 01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,599 Speaker 1: like this is this is something that they said when 1116 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,800 Speaker 1: they brought when they first gave her Memrents a job, 1117 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,200 Speaker 1: and they gathered up all the aerrors on the high 1118 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,240 Speaker 1: school coaches and they put them in front of al 1119 01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 1: lugan Bill and and all the other coaches, including Dave 1120 01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,280 Speaker 1: christens In, the former offensive line coach, and they said, 1121 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,320 Speaker 1: if you've got a kid at your school who looks 1122 01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:51,960 Speaker 1: like he could go to Alabama, that's who we want. Yep, exactly. 1123 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,559 Speaker 1: And then Lucan Bill has told me that as well, 1124 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,920 Speaker 1: who used to be they haven't been able to recruit 1125 01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:01,960 Speaker 1: at that part is it is that? Then that goes 1126 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,920 Speaker 1: to something else that he talked about about recruiting in 1127 01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:11,120 Speaker 1: state talent like that they're gonna recommit to recruiting in state. 1128 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,240 Speaker 1: Let's not even let's not even go down that. Let's 1129 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,960 Speaker 1: let's look at what they've done right now. Herm Edwards 1130 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,400 Speaker 1: was supposed to have NFL connections that made sure that 1131 01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,360 Speaker 1: kids that were on the cusp of getting drafted would 1132 01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,880 Speaker 1: actually get drafted. Because one of the frustrations with Tom, 1133 01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:28,519 Speaker 1: with Todd Graham was that guys like DJ Foster, who 1134 01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,479 Speaker 1: was a program legend where he ended up being a 1135 01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,120 Speaker 1: U d F A before he spent four years in 1136 01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,920 Speaker 1: the NFL. Right, So, one of the frustrations was that 1137 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,320 Speaker 1: you didn't have somebody who could you know, if somebody 1138 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,800 Speaker 1: was gonna be a fifth or sixth round pick, that 1139 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,599 Speaker 1: they could actually make sure they were fifth and sixth 1140 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,400 Speaker 1: round pick and didn't slip out of the draft altogether. 1141 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,240 Speaker 1: How has how has HERM Edwards done that the most talented, 1142 01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,839 Speaker 1: physically talented defensive player that they had, including somebody who 1143 01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:01,160 Speaker 1: produced on and off throughout his career, Tyler Johnson, didn't 1144 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:05,280 Speaker 1: get a Combine invite and didn't even sign on as 1145 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,200 Speaker 1: a U d f A. Chase Lucas, who early in 1146 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,799 Speaker 1: the season one writer gave him a Day one grade 1147 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,040 Speaker 1: went in the seventh round. What is herm Edwards doing 1148 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,880 Speaker 1: to get kids drafted higher or make them more money? No, like, 1149 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,320 Speaker 1: I need you to name one thing and be specific, 1150 01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,800 Speaker 1: because when Ray Anderson comes out and he says we're 1151 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,599 Speaker 1: going to focus on the NFL model, the question in 1152 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,799 Speaker 1: that moment should always be how like, name one specific 1153 01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,920 Speaker 1: thing that you're doing that nobody else should be doing, 1154 01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,600 Speaker 1: because that's like the Colligan man saying we're going to 1155 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,000 Speaker 1: focus on delivering water to your house. That's your job, 1156 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:45,719 Speaker 1: that is that's the bare minimum Colligan man, that's exactly 1157 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,880 Speaker 1: what you want credit for what you are supposed to do. 1158 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,120 Speaker 1: So he said, we're not gonna all we're gonna do 1159 01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,519 Speaker 1: is educate people on n I L. They have educated 1160 01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,400 Speaker 1: people out of the program. He said, you know what 1161 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,679 Speaker 1: are you going to educate? Well, we're using open doors. 1162 01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,639 Speaker 1: Open doors is something that's available to literally every program. 1163 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,040 Speaker 1: It is the bare minimum. Naming the thing that you're 1164 01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,760 Speaker 1: doing as the bare minimum thing that's available to you 1165 01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,559 Speaker 1: and then saying that you're educating place and it's available 1166 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:17,960 Speaker 1: to everybody, like there's no differentiation between you and everybody else. 1167 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,439 Speaker 1: It's not good when you put your kid on the 1168 01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:22,920 Speaker 1: phone with open doors and they tell them like, yeah, 1169 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,080 Speaker 1: these schools are where kids are making the most money. 1170 01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,040 Speaker 1: And then those kids jump in the portal because that's 1171 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,440 Speaker 1: what's happening. You're educating them right out of your program. 1172 01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,439 Speaker 1: Not only are you not helping them, you're actively harming 1173 01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,320 Speaker 1: your own program. So he's saying it's just our job 1174 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,280 Speaker 1: to educate. He has literally chased kids out of the 1175 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:46,320 Speaker 1: program with the current plan. Yep, that is not a 1176 01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,720 Speaker 1: good move. I'll let you talk on the local recruiting thing, 1177 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,160 Speaker 1: because nobody in Arizona wants to hear anything I have 1178 01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,080 Speaker 1: to say on that, and they've been calling me a 1179 01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,639 Speaker 1: bum for seven straight years for for bringing up this 1180 01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:02,519 Speaker 1: day recruited local lee. Well at all, dude, it's a 1181 01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:08,880 Speaker 1: it is an unmitigated disaster what they've done locally. It 1182 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,200 Speaker 1: is a it's damn near criminal what they what they 1183 01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:17,679 Speaker 1: have done. Like if you are Arizona State, Arizona State 1184 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,759 Speaker 1: has led multiple four star quarterbacks out of the state, 1185 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:28,360 Speaker 1: five star corner other you know, other linemen out of 1186 01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,320 Speaker 1: the state, all of it. So I don't I don't 1187 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,000 Speaker 1: want to hear anything about all the stuff that they're 1188 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,800 Speaker 1: talking about. Because it's not true, it's not accurate, it's 1189 01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:44,200 Speaker 1: not genuine, and it's uh. I just don't believe it. 1190 01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:49,080 Speaker 1: When I talked to parents of of Arizona recruits, they 1191 01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,240 Speaker 1: often relate to me that they had a negative experience, 1192 01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,639 Speaker 1: a negative personal experience in dealing with the staff, negative 1193 01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:01,360 Speaker 1: experience that they walked away saying, this is um a 1194 01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:05,000 Speaker 1: place that I would have considered except for the experience 1195 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,880 Speaker 1: that I had. And that's me relaying information. I didn't 1196 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,840 Speaker 1: make that up. There's no reason for me to make 1197 01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,840 Speaker 1: that up. And I'm not somebody who believes that you 1198 01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,719 Speaker 1: should take local kids. I've never believed that you should 1199 01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:18,760 Speaker 1: take local kids, but you should never be in a 1200 01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,760 Speaker 1: position to say that people say that you aren't doing 1201 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,920 Speaker 1: all that you can. So they just had a big 1202 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:29,360 Speaker 1: showcase with four of the most talented schools in the state. 1203 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:36,160 Speaker 1: Eight seven college coaches were in attendance. Arizona State was 1204 01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:41,400 Speaker 1: not one of them. They had showcases all over the state, 1205 01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:46,000 Speaker 1: and Arizona State attended one of them. And then at 1206 01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,599 Speaker 1: the very very end of that week, after Alabama had 1207 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,439 Speaker 1: already visited a school in Southeast Chandler, Arizona State showed 1208 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:58,880 Speaker 1: up to court quarterback to Morton Williams, like, it should 1209 01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:04,280 Speaker 1: never be that people don't see you because you could 1210 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,000 Speaker 1: say like, hey, we did our research. It wasn't for us, 1211 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,360 Speaker 1: But if you weren't there, that's what people are going 1212 01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,759 Speaker 1: to talk about. And that's and so for Ray Anderson 1213 01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:15,599 Speaker 1: to be like, I'm glad that we're rededicating ourselves, this 1214 01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,960 Speaker 1: is another thing. You're rededicating yourselves to the bare minimum 1215 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,880 Speaker 1: thing that you should have been doing all along. But 1216 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,360 Speaker 1: even in saying that, there's people talking about how this week, 1217 01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,479 Speaker 1: this week, after you've rededicated yourself, you're not out there. 1218 01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,160 Speaker 1: Pick two. I don't even know why. I feel like 1219 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:38,760 Speaker 1: it is the definition of insanity is to do the 1220 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,360 Speaker 1: same thing over and over again and expecting different results. 1221 01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,040 Speaker 1: Arizona State is not doing anything different, and they keep 1222 01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,200 Speaker 1: trying to tell everybody that something is different. So at 1223 01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:53,000 Speaker 1: some point in time, people either have to stop believing 1224 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:58,280 Speaker 1: them or something because they because because what because what 1225 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:02,439 Speaker 1: they're doing and they say that they're doing, they don't match. 1226 01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:08,800 Speaker 1: So and Ray Anderson and and uh, you know, and 1227 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,240 Speaker 1: and herm it's not gonna get get done. And I 1228 01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,320 Speaker 1: think that everybody needs to just just give up on 1229 01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,760 Speaker 1: that to be perfect, can I ask you a question 1230 01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,439 Speaker 1: about Oregon fans, the fan base that you're most most 1231 01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:27,400 Speaker 1: familiar with. If if Oregon lost, um, if Oregon lost 1232 01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:32,320 Speaker 1: eight starters, like seventeen scholarship players, but eight starters, we 1233 01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:38,920 Speaker 1: would but okay, okay, So right, eight starters after like 1234 01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,040 Speaker 1: spring like, they went to like spring stuff and then 1235 01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:48,160 Speaker 1: they transferred after right, and beyond that, you were under investigation. 1236 01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,800 Speaker 1: You were under you were under an investigation that had 1237 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:56,360 Speaker 1: resulted in the dismissal of half of your staff up 1238 01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:01,559 Speaker 1: to that point. But won eight games the year before, 1239 01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:05,320 Speaker 1: and your athletic director says, while eight games doesn't meet 1240 01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,559 Speaker 1: our expectations, it is better than two thirds of college 1241 01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,080 Speaker 1: and our fan base hasn't had a lot of eight 1242 01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,400 Speaker 1: win seasons, so they should recognize that. How would Oregon 1243 01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,519 Speaker 1: fans react to that specific thing that happened with Ray 1244 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,639 Speaker 1: Anderson on Speak of the Devil's podcast, Well, I mean, well, 1245 01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:25,040 Speaker 1: he couldn't say that at Oregon because they've had a 1246 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,200 Speaker 1: ton of not only like, if you win eight games 1247 01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:31,200 Speaker 1: at Oregon, you're on the hot seat, bro, I mean 1248 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:35,519 Speaker 1: it is like Oregon one ten ten games last last year, 1249 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,920 Speaker 1: and it felt like a disaster because of the way 1250 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:42,599 Speaker 1: that because of the way the season ended. So I 1251 01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:47,640 Speaker 1: can't understand how people are looking at that, you know, 1252 01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,240 Speaker 1: and can say, oh, yeah, we were better than two 1253 01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,520 Speaker 1: thirds of college football, so we're a top forty program? 1254 01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,800 Speaker 1: Is that the goal? To be a top forty program? 1255 01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,439 Speaker 1: What happened? To take back Callie, take back the West, 1256 01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:03,320 Speaker 1: take back all of it? Dude? Yep? Sorry, sorry, sorry 1257 01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:07,479 Speaker 1: bro herm I like herm at words and this is 1258 01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,519 Speaker 1: not a disc to to him, but he ain't getting 1259 01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,040 Speaker 1: a job done. And Ray Anderson co sign Do you 1260 01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,160 Speaker 1: do you know what Ray Anderson sounds like to me? 1261 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,920 Speaker 1: He sounds like the president of the school, Michael Crowe 1262 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:25,880 Speaker 1: still caping for um Larry Michael Scott last last year 1263 01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,519 Speaker 1: to be commissioner. This is this is exactly what it 1264 01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,200 Speaker 1: feels like to me. I just I don't know. He 1265 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,679 Speaker 1: said that. You know, Arizona State fans should be grateful 1266 01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,200 Speaker 1: because they haven't had a whole lot of eight win 1267 01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:41,040 Speaker 1: seasons over the last twenty five years, which is right, 1268 01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:47,679 Speaker 1: you know, except for two thousand four, two thousand seven, 1269 01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:52,599 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, two thousand thirteen, two thousand fourteen and 1270 01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:56,920 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, so recently they yet there's been quite 1271 01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,839 Speaker 1: a quite quite a few. But you know, I digress. 1272 01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,280 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 1273 01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,280 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 1274 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,479 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 1275 01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:13,880 Speaker 1: search f s R to listen live. Now, um onto 1276 01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:20,879 Speaker 1: the next thing that we have today is, uh, Bijean 1277 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:27,080 Speaker 1: Robinson just signed a big deal in um with Lamborghini 1278 01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:31,840 Speaker 1: down in Texas. And you have some details on that. Yeah, 1279 01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:36,840 Speaker 1: so Jean Robinson is a running back from Tucson. Uh. 1280 01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,599 Speaker 1: He was, Oh yeah that that could have been at 1281 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:48,439 Speaker 1: Arizona State or Arizona Book Okay, right, um so he what. 1282 01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,599 Speaker 1: Ultimately it came down to USC, which he was very 1283 01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:57,400 Speaker 1: interested in attending, Ohio State or Texas. UM. I think 1284 01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,880 Speaker 1: USC probably finished third and probably the main reason for 1285 01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:06,200 Speaker 1: that is that they don't run the ball. Yes, so 1286 01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:13,840 Speaker 1: like at all they don't. Um so Uh he ends 1287 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,240 Speaker 1: up getting an N I L deal with Lamborghini, which 1288 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,800 Speaker 1: is fantastic. UM. I absolutely love that. He's a great kid. 1289 01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:27,200 Speaker 1: Good for him. He Uh. He was interviewed or people 1290 01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,519 Speaker 1: in his life were interviewed by Pete Nachos for on 1291 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,519 Speaker 1: three and they talked about how this came about, and 1292 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,320 Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna read you a little bit of 1293 01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:40,040 Speaker 1: that um that article. It all started a recruiting event 1294 01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,040 Speaker 1: inside Darryl K. Royal Memorial Stadium with the theme of 1295 01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:47,280 Speaker 1: Steve Sarkisian's All Gas, No Breaks. Texas asked luxury sports 1296 01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,599 Speaker 1: car dealerships in the area to bring vehicles to the event. 1297 01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:55,720 Speaker 1: Jeremy Harrameo, Lamborghini's marketing director, was the representative for Lamborghini 1298 01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,200 Speaker 1: at the event. He let white out Jordan Whittington rev 1299 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,040 Speaker 1: up one of the cars ours, and then he stayed 1300 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:05,000 Speaker 1: behind to network with people after the event. As I'm 1301 01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,720 Speaker 1: pulling out of the stadium through the tunnel, Bijan Robinson's 1302 01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,360 Speaker 1: roommate runs up to the car window. Harrameo told On 1303 01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,720 Speaker 1: three he said, can you stop real quick. I have 1304 01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,559 Speaker 1: Bijan Robinson on the phone and he wants to know 1305 01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:20,120 Speaker 1: if you can do an N I L deal. Number One, 1306 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,080 Speaker 1: I don't know who Bijan Robinson is, and I don't 1307 01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,360 Speaker 1: follow college football. Number two, I don't know what n 1308 01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,400 Speaker 1: I L is because again I don't follow college football. 1309 01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,000 Speaker 1: So I spoke to Bijon Robinson on the phone, and 1310 01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,120 Speaker 1: I told him, if you give me some time, let 1311 01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,519 Speaker 1: me figure out what n I L is. I'll speak 1312 01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,439 Speaker 1: to one of our managing partners about it and see 1313 01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,240 Speaker 1: if it's something they're interested in. From there, Bijan ends 1314 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,280 Speaker 1: up meeting with Harrameo and Bruce Knox, one of the 1315 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,480 Speaker 1: owners of Lamborghini of Austin, at the Grand Prix motorcycle 1316 01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,519 Speaker 1: racing event. They discussed what the star running back was 1317 01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,280 Speaker 1: looking for and got to know him. After speaking with Robinson, 1318 01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:58,160 Speaker 1: Lamborghini worked at a deal where he gets a Lamborghini 1319 01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,000 Speaker 1: for a year to drive it off the lot for 1320 01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,160 Speaker 1: one year. Harmeo said, at the end of the day, 1321 01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,000 Speaker 1: we're not boosters. Were not someone who if Texas loses 1322 01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,160 Speaker 1: to Oklahoma at the end of UM, that's the end 1323 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:14,360 Speaker 1: of everything. Um. We're just a local business supporting local business. 1324 01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,320 Speaker 1: Right now, we want to have our brand associated with 1325 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,080 Speaker 1: Bijan's brand because it's brand exposure for both parties. He 1326 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,880 Speaker 1: wants to exude excellence on the field. That's what Lamborghini's 1327 01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,600 Speaker 1: brand is associated with, exuding excellence and top notch standards. 1328 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,840 Speaker 1: That's really what we're looking for. The biggest piece of 1329 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,559 Speaker 1: this partnership between us. So at the end of the day, 1330 01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,599 Speaker 1: if people are like, oh, Texas is out here getting 1331 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,040 Speaker 1: people n I L deals. No, But John Robinson's clutch 1332 01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:42,320 Speaker 1: ass roommate chasing down the marketing director for Lamborghini is 1333 01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:44,879 Speaker 1: what got him this n I L deal. So respect 1334 01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,720 Speaker 1: to him for the hustle. I hope that he, uh, 1335 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,680 Speaker 1: even if he's not allowed to, gets to drive it 1336 01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:54,439 Speaker 1: around once or twice, because that's quite a hook up 1337 01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:59,960 Speaker 1: for your own roommate. Number two, The idea that somebody 1338 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,920 Speaker 1: who doesn't even know college football could meet with Jean 1339 01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,160 Speaker 1: Robinson and be like, yeah, this is definitely somebody who 1340 01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,559 Speaker 1: want to be associated with makes me wonder who do 1341 01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,800 Speaker 1: we have in the PAC twelve that has that type 1342 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,320 Speaker 1: of national cleft, that type of djagil A Chick fil 1343 01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:19,120 Speaker 1: A Exactly who in the PAC twelve? George, do you 1344 01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,439 Speaker 1: think at this point in time should the PAC twelve 1345 01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,799 Speaker 1: be promoting and pushing to get some type of national 1346 01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:33,000 Speaker 1: commercial recognition hold hold on the second round? So the 1347 01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:36,599 Speaker 1: players in the PAC twelve. I think that this year 1348 01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,479 Speaker 1: is a little bit tricky, right because I think that 1349 01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:44,320 Speaker 1: last year you could have had Cavon Thibodeaux, who could 1350 01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,439 Speaker 1: have been like a B. John Robinson, like a guy 1351 01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:48,200 Speaker 1: who could be out in front and center for a 1352 01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:52,439 Speaker 1: major brand like that. And Drake London as well at 1353 01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:58,519 Speaker 1: USC and prior so, so I think that those two dudes, 1354 01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,760 Speaker 1: and and also you could put Caleb Williams up there 1355 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:07,200 Speaker 1: this year because he's a big brand name that already 1356 01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:11,320 Speaker 1: has some cash a UM. So aside from Caleb Williams 1357 01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:21,040 Speaker 1: this year, m hmm, maybe, I mean if bo Nick starts, 1358 01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,360 Speaker 1: But I don't think that there's anybody else that maybe 1359 01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:28,240 Speaker 1: is coming into the season with that sort of you know, 1360 01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,960 Speaker 1: hype and name brand. Can you think of anybody like 1361 01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,599 Speaker 1: in terms of any of the defenders or anybody else 1362 01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,280 Speaker 1: that or any of the offensive players that are coming 1363 01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,920 Speaker 1: in Like yo, yo, Like this dude feels like a 1364 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,520 Speaker 1: for sure first round pick right now. I feel like regionally, 1365 01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,439 Speaker 1: if a couple of guys go off, they might have 1366 01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,520 Speaker 1: some of that cloud, like a Michael Poenix at UM 1367 01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,800 Speaker 1: Washington or cam Ward cam Ward might be that guy. 1368 01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,400 Speaker 1: If cam Ward is everything that everybody says that he 1369 01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,360 Speaker 1: can be, then maybe he's the person that should start 1370 01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,679 Speaker 1: to be promoted. But like I thought, the PAC twelve 1371 01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:02,600 Speaker 1: and Cavon Thibodeau did a good job of kind of 1372 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,559 Speaker 1: promoting himself. But I'm gonna be honest, man, I learned 1373 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,600 Speaker 1: more about Drake London in the lead up to the 1374 01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:09,800 Speaker 1: NFL Draft than I did the entire time he was 1375 01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:14,440 Speaker 1: at USC. So do you think that that's a conference 1376 01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:17,920 Speaker 1: problem or do you think that that's yeah? I do. 1377 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,760 Speaker 1: I do I think that it's a conference problem. I 1378 01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:23,120 Speaker 1: think that it should be a concerted effort to say, like, hey, 1379 01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:27,120 Speaker 1: it's better for us to just literally build hype of 1380 01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,639 Speaker 1: ten players and have eight of them suck as long 1381 01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,880 Speaker 1: as to stick, um than it is to wait to 1382 01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:38,120 Speaker 1: see who performs and then start to rally stuff. UM. 1383 01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:43,160 Speaker 1: At that point, I think probably the the most marketable 1384 01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:47,599 Speaker 1: people in the PAC twelve right now, um are maybe 1385 01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:52,000 Speaker 1: not even football players, right, And so that's um with football. 1386 01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,639 Speaker 1: They want football to be the biggest sport and it's 1387 01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:59,360 Speaker 1: gonna have to be personality driven because it's not, like 1388 01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,080 Speaker 1: I said, J T. Shrout's name had not been tweeted 1389 01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,880 Speaker 1: in over a month until we just tweeted out from 1390 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:08,719 Speaker 1: the pack towlf apostles things. So you know, I mean, 1391 01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:16,280 Speaker 1: will the PAC twelve Now that Jordan Addison who won 1392 01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,360 Speaker 1: the Bulletna coff. Now that Jordan Addison is at usc 1393 01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:26,360 Speaker 1: will the Pac twelve push him out there and say like, hey, 1394 01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:30,439 Speaker 1: the best receiver in the country. Oh, I forgot about 1395 01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:34,960 Speaker 1: Jordan Jordan Addison too, geez, Louise. Yeah, he's he already 1396 01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,960 Speaker 1: has hardware, got the Bulletin a Cough Award all that. 1397 01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,240 Speaker 1: So so, yeah, he should be one of those guys 1398 01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,640 Speaker 1: that is being pushed front and center to In a 1399 01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,879 Speaker 1: perfect world, a fifth year starting quarterback at a college 1400 01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,720 Speaker 1: in l a who is a great interview and a 1401 01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,080 Speaker 1: good kid and a flashy player in Dorian Thompson Robinson 1402 01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:58,240 Speaker 1: would be that guy we'd already have. Um, we'd already 1403 01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,040 Speaker 1: have some sort of you know, uh in and out 1404 01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,120 Speaker 1: doesn't do like TV spots or anything like that. But 1405 01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:07,680 Speaker 1: even if they had social media presence, like some national 1406 01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:12,240 Speaker 1: brand based on the West Coast, should be taking advantage 1407 01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:14,840 Speaker 1: of the fact that Dorian Thompson Robinson is there and 1408 01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:19,200 Speaker 1: that he could be primed for a massive year. But 1409 01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,679 Speaker 1: that that just isn't in Jade Delora, even Jade Delora, 1410 01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,040 Speaker 1: if he wins the job down at University of Arizona, 1411 01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:28,040 Speaker 1: which there's no reason he shouldn't. He already has the 1412 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,320 Speaker 1: stats to back up that he is up there with 1413 01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:34,080 Speaker 1: Dorian Thompson. Robinson is one of the best quarterbacks in 1414 01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,160 Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve and he and they should be 1415 01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,320 Speaker 1: getting his name and face out there. On some level, 1416 01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:42,280 Speaker 1: it could just be that there's too much transition in 1417 01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,240 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve this year to make something like that happen. 1418 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:50,080 Speaker 1: But we have to identify who these players are and 1419 01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:53,799 Speaker 1: hype them up beforehand so that players that are coming 1420 01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,720 Speaker 1: through and getting recruited can see that. Because all the 1421 01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,280 Speaker 1: player is gonna see is Bijan Robinson left us on 1422 01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,240 Speaker 1: went to Texas and got an I LL deal with Lamborghini, 1423 01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:05,439 Speaker 1: and Texas is going to take credit for that, But 1424 01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,920 Speaker 1: George Texas didn't have shipped to do with it outside 1425 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,040 Speaker 1: of setting up the event, which Sarkisian deserves credit for 1426 01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,960 Speaker 1: setting up that event. But like if Bjean Robinson and 1427 01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,040 Speaker 1: his roommate had not taken initiative, there would be no 1428 01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,920 Speaker 1: Lamborghini deal. But kids aren't going to recognize it as 1429 01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:24,920 Speaker 1: being that. They're gonna say, Bijan Texas Lamborghini, I like Lamborghinis. 1430 01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:26,160 Speaker 1: I had those posters. I'm like, well, I want to 1431 01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:31,679 Speaker 1: go to Texas. See now, Texas is right for trying 1432 01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:35,720 Speaker 1: to capitalize on this, but in in their heart, heart 1433 01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,880 Speaker 1: of hearts, they should know that they didn't do anything 1434 01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:43,680 Speaker 1: for for this. That Bijan should let his roommate right 1435 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,880 Speaker 1: it right around in the Lambeau every every now and then. Dude. 1436 01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,800 Speaker 1: The what what I would love to see is the 1437 01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,439 Speaker 1: l A Dodgers have a two eight four million dollar 1438 01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:59,600 Speaker 1: pay roll, right Okay, they should sign an n I 1439 01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:04,120 Speaker 1: L D with Dorrian Thompson Robinson. Why to just to 1440 01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,160 Speaker 1: just to be affiliated with him and to promote the 1441 01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:12,080 Speaker 1: Dodgers all year long? Because why not? Yeah, like they're there. 1442 01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to think of like what what nationally 1443 01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:18,760 Speaker 1: could be done for the players in this conference. And 1444 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,880 Speaker 1: the truth is there's not a lot of star power 1445 01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,360 Speaker 1: right now. But you you you gotta dance with the 1446 01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:26,160 Speaker 1: one that brought you, right. These are the players that 1447 01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,599 Speaker 1: we have here. Now. We know that Dorrian Thompson Robinson 1448 01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,320 Speaker 1: could be that guy. We know that Jaden Dolora can 1449 01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:34,479 Speaker 1: be that guy. We know that cam Ward is probably 1450 01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,040 Speaker 1: gonna have a really big season. We know that Michael 1451 01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:39,000 Speaker 1: Poenix was one of the most exciting players in college 1452 01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:42,960 Speaker 1: football when he was healthy. Yeoh oh for sure, because 1453 01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,959 Speaker 1: he had that big win over who was that old 1454 01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,840 Speaker 1: Ohio State when he when he dove in the end 1455 01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:53,400 Speaker 1: zone and he towards a c L on that play. Yeah, 1456 01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:58,240 Speaker 1: I think so yeah, yeah yeah, and so um, you know. 1457 01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:01,680 Speaker 1: And then Jordan Addison comes with, you know, with the 1458 01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,320 Speaker 1: pedigree in the awards that that that he has, and 1459 01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that he's not, you know, hurting for money 1460 01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,400 Speaker 1: and that they figured something out as far as like 1461 01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:15,400 Speaker 1: a program um related an I L deal. But what 1462 01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,760 Speaker 1: we need is national recognition for future recruiting classes. That's 1463 01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:22,720 Speaker 1: what we need. And there are so many businesses and 1464 01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,880 Speaker 1: billy like Silicon Valley that there's uh like Carbona is 1465 01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:32,120 Speaker 1: owned by I think, are you avail um um Artie Moreno, 1466 01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,160 Speaker 1: the owner of the Los Angeles Angels, is a wildcat 1467 01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:42,760 Speaker 1: like you really yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, So, I 1468 01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just there there has to be 1469 01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:45,960 Speaker 1: some type of way. And I'm just a guy on 1470 01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,519 Speaker 1: a podcast. There's nothing that I can do, but I 1471 01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:50,519 Speaker 1: would really love to see some of these players get 1472 01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:55,160 Speaker 1: get hyped ups and and get some UM corporate backing 1473 01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:59,719 Speaker 1: from people who have Packed twelve or regional affiliation UM 1474 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:05,720 Speaker 1: that way that could spur some future success in the conference. Yeah, 1475 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,280 Speaker 1: totally agree. UM. The the final thing that I wanted 1476 01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:15,080 Speaker 1: to bring up, Ralph was that there was well that 1477 01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:19,559 Speaker 1: the conference put out the start times for the first 1478 01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:27,880 Speaker 1: three weeks, and you have September one Thursday, UM, Arizona 1479 01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:32,160 Speaker 1: State starts on Pack twelve network. On Friday, TCU at Colorado, 1480 01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:37,040 Speaker 1: and then on that Saturday, Arizona State at San Diego 1481 01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:41,840 Speaker 1: is on CBS Oregon, George's on ABC. That's the twelve 1482 01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:48,599 Speaker 1: thirty game. UM, USC starts versus Rice on PAC twelve network, 1483 01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:54,080 Speaker 1: Utah at Florida on ESPN, Boise State at Oregon State 1484 01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:58,040 Speaker 1: on ESPN, and Kent State Washington on FS one, while 1485 01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:59,479 Speaker 1: all the rest of the games are on the Pack 1486 01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,040 Speaker 1: twelve and that work. Are you okay with the fact 1487 01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:10,360 Speaker 1: that USC starts Lincoln Riley's tenure on Pack twelve network. Yeah? 1488 01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean I wish that that wasn't the case, but 1489 01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:16,840 Speaker 1: it is what it is. UM, maybe they'll go from 1490 01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:26,679 Speaker 1: fourteen point eight million subscribers to fourteen point nine. Well yeah, yeah, 1491 01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:29,480 Speaker 1: because there you know, you know there's gonna be Oklahoma 1492 01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,400 Speaker 1: fans getting Sling subscriptions so they can hate watch oh 1493 01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:37,400 Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, for sure bro. And and then 1494 01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:42,800 Speaker 1: week two Utah's unpacked twelve Network, Colorado Air Force on CBS, 1495 01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,520 Speaker 1: Washington State at Wisconsin, which I mean, that's a stylistic 1496 01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,200 Speaker 1: fight that I'm interested to watch. That one's gonna be 1497 01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:58,679 Speaker 1: on Fox, UM Arizona Uh, Arizona State, Oklahoma State, ESPN two, USC, 1498 01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:03,439 Speaker 1: Stanford on a b C the prime time game. Uh, 1499 01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:12,120 Speaker 1: the last Stanford early season prime or major TV performance. 1500 01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:16,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god against Kansas State Yo. Yeah, hopefully they're 1501 01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:20,479 Speaker 1: more ready than that. Yep. Oregon State at Fresno State 1502 01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:22,920 Speaker 1: on CBS sports Net. I didn't even note that that 1503 01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,519 Speaker 1: was a station. UM Mountain Mountain West plays a lot 1504 01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:30,400 Speaker 1: of their games. Uh, Mississippi State at Arizona on on 1505 01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:35,639 Speaker 1: FS one. And then week three Kalett Notre Dame on NBC, 1506 01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:40,480 Speaker 1: b y U at Oregon on Fox, Colorado at Minnesota 1507 01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:46,599 Speaker 1: on ESPN two, Michigan State at Washington on ABC, San 1508 01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:50,320 Speaker 1: Diego State at Utah and ESPN, Fresno State at USC 1509 01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:55,000 Speaker 1: on Fox, and North Dakota State at Arizona on FS one. 1510 01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:58,080 Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of good coverage for 1511 01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:00,519 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve in the first three three weeks. How 1512 01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:04,000 Speaker 1: hyped up are you for that Utah San Diego statement rematch? 1513 01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:09,479 Speaker 1: Oh my god, bro, Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Utah is 1514 01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,000 Speaker 1: gonna be coming for blood. They got the quarterback and 1515 01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:15,000 Speaker 1: should have been starting. Well. Actually, on on another note, 1516 01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,200 Speaker 1: people were like, when I've talked to people at Utah 1517 01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:21,720 Speaker 1: and they've said, you know, people were like, yo, you 1518 01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,000 Speaker 1: had the wrong quarterbacks starting, and they're like, you didn't 1519 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:28,680 Speaker 1: see them in practice, so you know, that would be 1520 01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,680 Speaker 1: easier to digest the coach, the coaching staff telling you 1521 01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,479 Speaker 1: that would be easier to digest if the players didn't 1522 01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:39,280 Speaker 1: vote Cam Rising a captain. That is that's our guy. 1523 01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:41,599 Speaker 1: Maybe that's who we should we we should be throwing 1524 01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:46,439 Speaker 1: everything behind to promote is Cam Rising? Because yes, yes, 1525 01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:52,719 Speaker 1: success they had with him at quarterback yep um yeah. 1526 01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:56,520 Speaker 1: So but you guys, that is the Pac twelve apostles. 1527 01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm George Rice or he's Ralph Amsden. Enjoy the show, peace, 1528 01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:02,360 Speaker 1: I'll catch you later.