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Speaker 1: Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCray, and Newey Scrugs.
Speaker 1: All right, everybody is Friday. It's that time. It's time
Speaker 1: to have some fun, laugh a little bit, dive into
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and all the things that are happening. Is
Speaker 1: we get ready for the NFL Draft, which will take
Speaker 1: place April twenty third, twenty four to twenty fifth. I
Speaker 1: am Newe Scrugs, your co host here of the Players Lounge,
Speaker 1: along with former Dallas Cowboys players Buried Church and Danny McCray. McCray,
Speaker 1: how you doing. I'd noticed you have on a specific
Speaker 1: T shirt Morey reason. Yes, yeah, man, I'm I'm doing
Speaker 1: an excellent man. The All Decade team came out today
Speaker 1: and we had two players on that list, and it
Speaker 1: could have been three, but we'd get into that a
Speaker 1: little bit later, because Patrick Peterson was definitely one of
Speaker 1: the best point returns of twenty of a decade. That church,
Speaker 1: how we do it today? Man? We do a church.
Speaker 1: We're doing good, and then I got an empty household
Speaker 1: right now. So it's real quiet and nice and calm
Speaker 1: in here. So let's go to work, fellas, how do
Speaker 1: you sleep in church with a newborn? I'm clipping terrible.
Speaker 1: She's trying every hour and a half, every two hours.
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to make it work, man, trying to
Speaker 1: make it work. All right, fellas, Let's dive into a
Speaker 1: topic that I think we've kind of forgotten about because
Speaker 1: of everything with COVID nineteen shutting things down, but the
Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys are supposed to be able to
Speaker 1: start that off season program a little bit earlier than
Speaker 1: other teams because of having Mike McCarthy a new coaching staff,
Speaker 1: and right now the facilities closed the Cowboys facility to
Speaker 1: start all across the NFL. So you guys are former
Speaker 1: players here, how much do you think this is a
Speaker 1: setback for Mike McCarthy and also the players of not
Speaker 1: being able to get this offseason program start. I think
Speaker 1: it's a huge setback, especially for this offense and defensive
Speaker 1: side of the balls. I mean, you're implementing a totally
Speaker 1: new game plan on both sides of the ball. You
Speaker 1: got your quarterback there who's having contract negotiations, who knows
Speaker 1: if he's going to show up or not, and you
Speaker 1: need him to basically lead this offense which is going
Speaker 1: to be a new offense, new terminology, all that stuff
Speaker 1: that these players got to learn. And that's when you
Speaker 1: go into OTAs and learn these type of things, so
Speaker 1: when you get to the training camp, you can hit
Speaker 1: the ground running as well as on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. I mean, you have leaders and guys
Speaker 1: like Sean Lee and all those other guys who are
Speaker 1: learning new defenses and new terminology and how they're gonna
Speaker 1: run things. I mean, I've heard and saw some things
Speaker 1: that where they're gonna implement a new type of three
Speaker 1: four types game in there as well or some elements
Speaker 1: of the three four scheme in there. So these guys
Speaker 1: are gonna have to learn how to play, maybe new positions,
Speaker 1: maybe learn a whole new differ scheme. So I think
Speaker 1: it it it'll hurt him a lot to not have
Speaker 1: this time to start early for this new scheme. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel the same on both fronts. Uh. Like we
Speaker 1: talked about last week, I think this is this is
Speaker 1: helping the Cowboys out because I really don't think Dak
Speaker 1: would have showed up to these OTAs without that, without
Speaker 1: that contract, so it's kind of saving face for him
Speaker 1: a little bit. But yeah, put input in the new
Speaker 1: offense and having these young receivers and people who don't
Speaker 1: know the offense and trying to learn it virtually, it's difficult.
Speaker 1: And we went through this in twenty eleven when we
Speaker 1: got Rob Ryan and we tried to input his thick
Speaker 1: playbook in uh too fast, and it showed up on
Speaker 1: the field we were out there, you know, we're a
Speaker 1: little a little bit more confused than we would have
Speaker 1: been had we had the correct time to input the
Speaker 1: plays and do the do the walk throughs that we
Speaker 1: would have normally had without the lockout. So I think
Speaker 1: we'll see some of that with the Cowboys and honestly
Speaker 1: across the league because a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: those teams will have new guys coming in who won't
Speaker 1: be able to do those walkthroughs and practice and learn
Speaker 1: those defensive offices the way that they would have with
Speaker 1: if things were normal at this time. All Right, mccrais
Speaker 1: stayed there because you bring up a good point about
Speaker 1: how you went through this in twenty eleven in a
Speaker 1: similar situation. You look in the NFC East, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: with the new coaching staff with Mike McCarthy, Joe Judge,
Speaker 1: and the Giants new coaching staff up there with the
Speaker 1: Giants and then Rob River and Washington new coaching staff.
Speaker 1: So right now, Philadelphia the only team in the NFC
Speaker 1: East that has continuity with the coaching staff in a
Speaker 1: playbook that people know, so that you have to say
Speaker 1: that gives them an advantage. Yes, I would. I'll go ahead, Danny,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. Now. Yeah, yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: gives them an advantage as long as they're healthy. We
Speaker 1: saw last year that that was their achilles hill, not
Speaker 1: being able to stay healthy, but them being able to
Speaker 1: have the same coaches and the same playbook. The only
Speaker 1: thing they to stop them is the new players that
Speaker 1: they draft and bring in and free agency. They will
Speaker 1: have to step in and learn learn those plays. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent there, Danny. I
Speaker 1: think Philadelphia has you know, a huge head start right now,
Speaker 1: and they're bringing back their whole team and you know, hopefully,
Speaker 1: like you said, if they stay healthy, they I mean,
Speaker 1: they're the front runners right now because they already know
Speaker 1: that scheme. They already know the coaches, They already have
Speaker 1: a bond a relationship with those guys, and they've been
Speaker 1: to the highest level with those guys. So and they
Speaker 1: want to division last year with the same type of coaches.
Speaker 1: So I think they have the head start right now.
Speaker 1: But like you said, they gotta stay healthy. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were banged up a lot last year and we'll
Speaker 1: see if the Cowboys can catch up. All right, The
Speaker 1: Cowboys have done something that I absolutely love and they
Speaker 1: put this out on Twitter. They're doing interviews. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: they're jumping on the zoom calls and they're doing interviews
Speaker 1: with prospects and for the first time, they're they're allowing
Speaker 1: us to get a little bit a little taste, small
Speaker 1: taste if the questions they're asking the guys here. And
Speaker 1: I want to start with Kenneth Murray of Oklahoma. He's
Speaker 1: a linebacker and what he said to the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: I thought Jerry Jones asked him a really good question.
Speaker 1: One of the things about Jerry Jones, in case Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans don't know, Jerry struggled. You know, you think of
Speaker 1: Jerry now as a billionaire, but he struggled early on.
Speaker 1: He's always worked for himself. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that Jerry really has a has a thing for people
Speaker 1: who have been knocked down who get back up. So
Speaker 1: this is the Cowboys coaching staff and Jerry Jones with
Speaker 1: Oklahoma linebacker Keith Murray. Let me ask one that I
Speaker 1: ask it frequently this play. If you can come up
Speaker 1: with a setback, if you can come up with where
Speaker 1: you have to really call yourself at any time in
Speaker 1: your life when you were young, you were kicked around
Speaker 1: or what do you think gave you a lot of
Speaker 1: the setbacks are the controversy or the challenge that might
Speaker 1: have helped you be a football player? You are well, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know situation that I'm that I that I would
Speaker 1: that I like to talk about and that's made me
Speaker 1: who I am on the field and off the field. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't say it's more short setback. I
Speaker 1: say it's more so a blessing. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at it the way I am, in
Speaker 1: the way you know my family has, it is a blessing.
Speaker 1: So um, you know for me, I learned, you know,
Speaker 1: how to be selfless an extremely extremely young age. How
Speaker 1: to what true gratitude is. They extremely engaged because of
Speaker 1: what I went through and so, um, you know when
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, UM, my mom and my dad,
Speaker 1: you know, they they they they did some things that
Speaker 1: that were true acts of selfless, self selflessness and so um,
Speaker 1: around the edge of eleven, my parents adopted three special
Speaker 1: needs kids, and UM, you know it's kind of a
Speaker 1: unique situation for us because you know, the disease that
Speaker 1: they had was extremely, extremely rare. Um. Only one of
Speaker 1: the set of children hadn't in the world. Um, And
Speaker 1: so that that pushed my parents into you know, one
Speaker 1: to twenty five thirty doctor suppointments a week, um, just
Speaker 1: to you know, be able to get the kids to
Speaker 1: the proper help that they need to get them. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, started and then get them the
Speaker 1: helpers they needed it. So, you know, you know, going
Speaker 1: through all that stuff and that that that was a
Speaker 1: time where you know, my parents were letting on me
Speaker 1: a lot, given that I was the oldest. So you know,
Speaker 1: I was the kid that you know basically you know,
Speaker 1: my parents anytime they needed anything, anytime needed um, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, things should be done. You know, I was
Speaker 1: the oldest shot I was just wanted everybody was looking to.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't say it
Speaker 1: was a setback. I would say it was a blessing
Speaker 1: because you know that at that age, you know, it
Speaker 1: really really forced me to be you know what what
Speaker 1: what you guys see on the field now, which is
Speaker 1: you know the product of a of a kid that's
Speaker 1: a go getter, of a kid that that just goes out,
Speaker 1: um and just and just get you foretell um. And
Speaker 1: And for me, you know, I've always been a self starter. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I've never been somebody that that that needs
Speaker 1: to be started. You know, I've always been a guy
Speaker 1: that's that's been the first thing to build it, last
Speaker 1: one out. But I think that's a direct by product
Speaker 1: of this how I came up and I had to
Speaker 1: go through as a kid, and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: early on, you know I was you know, I took
Speaker 1: you all talk like I raised three kids already, because
Speaker 1: you know, you just got to grow up fast. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, going through that type of situation
Speaker 1: and my parents, you know, basically you know, being from
Speaker 1: one lifestyle to a complete a completely other type of lifestyle.
Speaker 1: And so um, you know for that for us, you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was definitely a unique situation. Um, and
Speaker 1: there's definitely a situation that it's mold to me and
Speaker 1: made me who I am today. I can't attend that's strong. Sure,
Speaker 1: thank you? Sure? All right? So I love that video.
Speaker 1: I knew a little bit about Kenneth Murray's story, but
Speaker 1: when I saw that and how he responded, I just
Speaker 1: said to myself, Man, what a great quality guy. And
Speaker 1: something Jason Garrett used to talk about is you're having
Speaker 1: the right kind of people in the building. And I
Speaker 1: know the Mavericks when they draft guys, they were somebody, Hey,
Speaker 1: we want a right kind of guy here, and you
Speaker 1: guys are former players here. When you hear a story
Speaker 1: like that about a guy like Kenneth Murray, that's a
Speaker 1: dude that you root for if he comes onto your
Speaker 1: football team. Oh definitely. I mean that's a guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a grown man right there. I mean that's a
Speaker 1: guy who had to grow up at an early age.
Speaker 1: Like you said, his family adopted and on three children
Speaker 1: with special needs. And I know how hard that is,
Speaker 1: you know, growing up with siblings having special needs. I mean,
Speaker 1: my sister has down central now and she's had obviously
Speaker 1: her whole life, and uh, it's hard, it's hard to
Speaker 1: grow up like that. And um and he had to
Speaker 1: grow up as a as a as a young as
Speaker 1: a young adult, and that just shows the maturity level
Speaker 1: in him. And what also kind of caught my attention
Speaker 1: was how he kind of said he was a self motivator,
Speaker 1: kind of a self starter. I mean, you know, the
Speaker 1: coaches get paid a lot of money to motivate their
Speaker 1: teams to go out there and played at the highest level.
Speaker 1: But if you got a guy like that who can
Speaker 1: just go out there and lead himself and motivate himself
Speaker 1: to play for the name on the back of his jersey,
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the type of guys you want
Speaker 1: in the locker room. Those are the type of guys
Speaker 1: that you want to go to war with. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think the story is amazing and uh
Speaker 1: new he just gives Jason Garrett some some props on
Speaker 1: the type of guys that can bring it to the
Speaker 1: locker room. Okay, all right, all right, all right, knew
Speaker 1: he knew. I think things changed during the coronavirus, man.
Speaker 1: I think things are changed a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: that the quarantine. Quarantine has you changed a little bit,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I like the guy. I love
Speaker 1: the story. Um, being battle tested when you come into
Speaker 1: the league is something that is that is like really
Speaker 1: an advantage, especially when you step on the field with
Speaker 1: some of those grown men that have been there before,
Speaker 1: and some of those guys have the same story and
Speaker 1: they're motivated the same way as you are. So being
Speaker 1: on that same playing field when you step into the
Speaker 1: league is big. And I think him being self motivated
Speaker 1: and being able to want to go out there and
Speaker 1: learn things on his own and watch film on his own,
Speaker 1: I think that will turn him into one of those
Speaker 1: leaders on the field as soon as he steps into
Speaker 1: the locker room. So hopefully he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that we were really looking at and and possibly can
Speaker 1: get into that locker room soon. Church. Take me back
Speaker 1: to you and your sister. So I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: Murray talked about being selfless. Um, how did that translate
Speaker 1: for you as you were growing up with with your
Speaker 1: sister and how your parents dealt with you guys, and
Speaker 1: you know you at times having to step up and
Speaker 1: become selfless. Oh, I had to at an early age
Speaker 1: just because um, you know, with with with people who
Speaker 1: have Down syndrome, I mean they need more attention, they
Speaker 1: need more care going through it through their life. So me,
Speaker 1: at a young age, I had to learn to not
Speaker 1: be as as as selfish and you know, I want
Speaker 1: this toy or I want that, or how come she
Speaker 1: gets this or how come she gets that? I had
Speaker 1: to learn that, you know, she was born different and
Speaker 1: she needs more care, she needs more attention. So that
Speaker 1: kind of made me grow up early as a as
Speaker 1: a young man and kind of take care of my
Speaker 1: sister as well with my parents because both of my
Speaker 1: parents were working all day, so in the summertime, it
Speaker 1: was basically just me and my sister there So and
Speaker 1: my grandmother. But we had to, you know, learn to
Speaker 1: be with each other and learn to take care of
Speaker 1: each other. And it's it's a huge. It's huge to
Speaker 1: be able to take care of your sibling like that
Speaker 1: who has Down central when who have special needs. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's huge. It just gets it's that that bond
Speaker 1: that you guys share is it's amazing. Danny McCrae, So
Speaker 1: I want you to give me your thought process on
Speaker 1: what we're seeing from the Cowboys here to interview a
Speaker 1: guy like Kenneth Murrick. Keneth Orror's going to be a
Speaker 1: first round. If he's not a first round, people will
Speaker 1: definitely fall early in the second. He won't fall any
Speaker 1: further than that. This leads me to think about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the possibility of them playing a three to four.
Speaker 1: Scott McCurley is the new linebackers coach. McCurley has some
Speaker 1: experience up there with Don Cabride when they were running
Speaker 1: three four concepts with the Green Bay Packers. So you
Speaker 1: tell me, what do you think the Cowboys are gonna
Speaker 1: do and do they have enough linebackers because right now
Speaker 1: you check out that roster a lot of one year
Speaker 1: deals to talk about linebackers on this football team. Is
Speaker 1: this a place where they need to go? Uh? Yeah.
Speaker 1: If they're gonna run a three four, I believe that
Speaker 1: they would definitely need more linebackers, and I think them
Speaker 1: input into three four will get them more versatility as
Speaker 1: they go in and play, and they have some guys
Speaker 1: that can play that position. I want to bring up
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews again this week, but if they running three four,
Speaker 1: you can look at that names as a guy, a
Speaker 1: type of guy that they would want on the team.
Speaker 1: Maybe not him, but they need some of those guys
Speaker 1: that are able to rush. I love the idea of
Speaker 1: them playing a three four. By the way, Sean Lee
Speaker 1: played his best football for Rob Bryan when we ran
Speaker 1: a three four, and I think he would welcome that
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I think I think a three changing
Speaker 1: the three four would would be amazing. And we do
Speaker 1: need to get more more linebackers. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it would be like, you know, your prototypical linebacker that
Speaker 1: can you know, cover and all that other stuff, But
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get a three to four, I think
Speaker 1: the ends, the outside linebackers need to be more of
Speaker 1: kind of like a von Miller type where they're basically
Speaker 1: small defensive nas that can rush the pass or you
Speaker 1: don't see them dropping back a lot, but they can
Speaker 1: have the ability to do that. So I say, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree that they need a little bit more
Speaker 1: versatility in the lineback and core if they're gonna run
Speaker 1: some of these elements of the three four. All right,
Speaker 1: then that brings me to m Zach Baalton. That's another
Speaker 1: interview they did that they put up on the website,
Speaker 1: a smaller guy from from Wisconsin if you were just
Speaker 1: trying to run a four three, but the three to
Speaker 1: four that that could be. I just remember when Bill
Speaker 1: Parcells was here running at three four. They had a
Speaker 1: lot of linebackers. I mean they were constantly bringing in
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. And just when I think about
Speaker 1: the number of linebackers, you're having a four three versus
Speaker 1: three four, cowboys gonna have enough, right, Yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: have enough? Got Church. Oh, I was just wondering, So
Speaker 1: like when you say linebacker, are you thinking more of
Speaker 1: like a Sean Lee Tite linebacker or like a DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Ware who was considered a linebacker but he was really
Speaker 1: kind of a d n both called calling those guys
Speaker 1: that do wear them. I'm calling those guys Russians. I
Speaker 1: did not like Spence. Anthony Spencer and DeMarcus Ware were
Speaker 1: labeled as linebackers. Those guys were rush ends in our scheme.
Speaker 1: It was very rare that you would see them drop
Speaker 1: out to cover the flat or cover the curl, and
Speaker 1: we would only do that just to disguise maybe once
Speaker 1: a game. Those guys are are Russians and they could
Speaker 1: play in a four to three as a Russian as well.
Speaker 1: So when I know you're talking about linebackers, but I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about guys who can rush the pastor I think
Speaker 1: our linebackers that we have now would be good for
Speaker 1: three or four. We just need to add a little
Speaker 1: bit of depth. But it's rushing wise. You can never
Speaker 1: have enough pass rushers. Okay, So linebackers obviously they're talking
Speaker 1: to you, mean defensive needs are there. We know there's
Speaker 1: a defensive need there across on that side of the ball,
Speaker 1: and a lot of one year contracts. Another player that
Speaker 1: I want to bring up that they did a video
Speaker 1: conferencing with which I found an in Russian player of
Speaker 1: ray Kuon Davis, and he played defensive line for Alabama.
Speaker 1: One of the best defense to coaches in football, Nick Sabans.
Speaker 1: On that side of the ball, he's won a national
Speaker 1: championship there. Let's listen to a bit of his conversation
Speaker 1: with the counsels. Tell me, tell me about you getting
Speaker 1: your degree from the universe, held out on what that
Speaker 1: means to you. Number where he came from, and talk
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, sir, I mean a lot, because you know,
Speaker 1: as I was saying earlier, I mean when I'm from
Speaker 1: we didn't winn't have a role. Nobody my family do
Speaker 1: it like ever did it. So I'm like the literally
Speaker 1: first one that's bunch of the nfl um graduated. You know,
Speaker 1: this just the first person to do it in my family.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's a it's a thig achieve Yeah,
Speaker 1: so coach was pretty coach, It was pretty excited. Ye
Speaker 1: how about how about miss Moseley, sir? Can you talk
Speaker 1: about her real quick? Um? She she was just that,
Speaker 1: you know, she was that lady that just kept me
Speaker 1: out of like she she didn't care like she she
Speaker 1: didn't care about none of this. She like my senior
Speaker 1: year we had like we played Clint Mississippi, and um,
Speaker 1: she's suspending me for the game. I've seen you and
Speaker 1: she told me That's what I finally realized, Like she
Speaker 1: didn't she don't care about She just she cared about
Speaker 1: me as a person. And try to best men. You
Speaker 1: care about football. You played with a lot of good players. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you could take one of them with you to
Speaker 1: be a player on Sunday. Now, not your best friend, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about somebody to help us win, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Who would that guy be to help
Speaker 1: help us win? That guy, I say, Nick said, take
Speaker 1: your coach. We got a good coach. You just said
Speaker 1: the wrong thing because he's up next. Baby. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Rapond is Garry Jones. That's the best way to ask
Speaker 1: them questions. I mean, I mean all my all my teammates, man,
Speaker 1: ain't they? Um? They they literally play on Sundays, so
Speaker 1: that that question places are and it's a good aswer.
Speaker 1: That wasn't good aswer? All right? So that's ray Kwon
Speaker 1: Davis of Alabama, a guy that the Cowboys are talking to. Now,
Speaker 1: some people are saying they don't like the fact that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are putting these interviews up there, that they
Speaker 1: think that they're they're showing them too much. That already
Speaker 1: came up here on our Twitter page here. I don't
Speaker 1: believe it's a big deal because teams all know who
Speaker 1: talks to who. If you have your thirty visits, everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna know who the Cowboys are bringing in anywhere. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a big deal, do you Democrat? Now?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's a big deal. Um
Speaker 1: do it? And and this is the time when they win. Anyways,
Speaker 1: It's not like they're asking, uh, giving away anything about
Speaker 1: our scheme or or something we're gonna do in his draft.
Speaker 1: We know that these guys are are high up on
Speaker 1: the board and they'll be doing interviews with a lot
Speaker 1: of other teams as well. So I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think it's giving away anything on our end. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's given Yeah, I don't think it's given
Speaker 1: anything away on our end as well. I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to talk to these players if they
Speaker 1: want to um, and they're just basically showing or asking them,
Speaker 1: you know, questions about themselves and their history and how
Speaker 1: they feel they could help this team. But I had
Speaker 1: a quick question on that interview. Did he say to
Speaker 1: help this team get to the next level, they need
Speaker 1: to bring his ex coach on Did he Did he
Speaker 1: say that? Yes? Yes, babies didn't say that. But but
Speaker 1: it was fun because if you saw Mike McCarthy McCarthy
Speaker 1: laugh and yeah, and you know, and Jerry's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't bring them with us, So I thought it
Speaker 1: was it was fun. And and also just you know,
Speaker 1: this these this is how these interviews go. Man, Some
Speaker 1: of these guys kind of miss on the questions, but
Speaker 1: at least you know he respects his coach. You know
Speaker 1: he's honest. I think this also gives gives the fans
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see who these guys are as well.
Speaker 1: You won't see these guys like this again right now,
Speaker 1: next time you see them, and they'll be getting drafted,
Speaker 1: they'll be on the team. This is them pretty much
Speaker 1: raw and uncut, like their job interview of trying to
Speaker 1: make the team. And I think the Cowboys showing this
Speaker 1: is giving giving the fans a little insight into what
Speaker 1: the process is really like. I agree. All right, before
Speaker 1: we take a break here, everybody to give out your
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Speaker 1: at a presidential press conference with Donald Trump. But right now,
Speaker 1: let's get into other people's business around the NFL. Late
Speaker 1: last night, I look up and I see that the
Speaker 1: Rams have traded away Brandon Cooks to Houston for the
Speaker 1: text and second round pick is fifty seventh overall, And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, what are the Texans doing? What
Speaker 1: is Bill O'Brien at the head coach and general manager doing.
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks last year spent a lot of time injured,
Speaker 1: dealing with concussions, and you're gonna make a trade for
Speaker 1: you're gonna get rid of Yandre Hopkins and bringing Brandon Fellas.
Speaker 1: Tell me what are they doing in Houston? Tell your something?
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something I've missed. Uh So, Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't get to get a trade for
Speaker 1: up last year from my fantasy team because he would
Speaker 1: have erected. I don't know what they're doing down in Houston,
Speaker 1: which is probably while I'm while I'm living up here
Speaker 1: in Dallas. All right, I'm from the great city of Houston.
Speaker 1: But I don't understand what they got going on. Why
Speaker 1: would you get with the hot for Brandon Cooks who
Speaker 1: was injured? He has a concussion history, he didn't produce
Speaker 1: last year, and this this we don't even know he's
Speaker 1: gonna be able to be on the field. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. And you give it up for a second.
Speaker 1: What did we give up the hot for? It doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense at all. I think this would be Bills
Speaker 1: last year being the gem and possibly the head coach
Speaker 1: if they don't win the Super Bowl. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to agree with you one hundred percent the mat. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing over there in Houston,
Speaker 1: Like you said, you get rid of DeAndre Hawkins, You're
Speaker 1: leading receiver, your quarterbacks number one option, and you give
Speaker 1: him up for it for David Johnson, And I think
Speaker 1: what a second round. David Johnson did nothing last year
Speaker 1: and then he was hurt all that, and then you
Speaker 1: traded for who do you Crooks? Cooks? The guy is
Speaker 1: a burner, he can get behind the secondary, but you
Speaker 1: already gaffed that and Will Fuller. You need that guy
Speaker 1: who's a who's a possession route running receiver next to him,
Speaker 1: and you had that, You had the perfect specimen in
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, and you let him go and you brought
Speaker 1: in Crooks, who's another burner. And we've seen what happens
Speaker 1: with burners. Will Fuller been hurt pretty much his whole career.
Speaker 1: I mean, Cooks has been battling concussions, concussions throughout his
Speaker 1: whole career. I mean, I just don't see where it
Speaker 1: adds up. And I think you're right, O'Brien. Be his
Speaker 1: last year, if they don't win the Super Bowl, they
Speaker 1: don't make a deep playoff run. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: don't see. I just don't understand. I just don't understand
Speaker 1: he blackmail with somebody older. I don't know something's going on.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I know the city of Houston is
Speaker 1: not happy with him. So let's spend this back to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. The Rams, by the way, finished nine and
Speaker 1: seven last year, and the Cowboys beat them up pretty
Speaker 1: good at Jerry World. So trying to figure out where
Speaker 1: the Rams are going. This kind of comes back into
Speaker 1: contracts because the Rams are going to eat up a
Speaker 1: lot of money having gotten rid of Todd Gurley and
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, who they gave big contracts to. And I
Speaker 1: saw where somebody said on Twitter that Dak Prescott should
Speaker 1: look at this and why he should take a lot
Speaker 1: of money because it means you have to get rid
Speaker 1: of other players. And I kind of laughed at it
Speaker 1: because I think Jared Golf is a guy they want
Speaker 1: of them think, and they did give a lot of
Speaker 1: money to that. Jared Goff wasn't out here trying to
Speaker 1: save anybody money. This comes down to a team and
Speaker 1: how they decide to spend their money here. I never
Speaker 1: agree with them getting Todd Gurley that money because Todd
Speaker 1: girls the guy who dealt with ACL problems back at George.
Speaker 1: Why would you invest in a guy who's already been
Speaker 1: injured at the running back position. I thought that was
Speaker 1: a bad move by less need of rags. Oh, I
Speaker 1: think it was an extremely bad move by the Rams
Speaker 1: to try to give Todd Gurley that money. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a productive player. I think he was up
Speaker 1: for the MVP running that year they went to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But I mean, like you said, he had
Speaker 1: chronic knee problems and he's a running back. They take
Speaker 1: the most punishment out of any position in the NFL.
Speaker 1: They're consistently hit, even if they don't get the ball,
Speaker 1: and they're blocking, they're hitting three hundred pound defensive lineman
Speaker 1: trying to block them. So I just don't think the
Speaker 1: running back position overall is a great investment unless you
Speaker 1: have one of them stalwarth players and one of them
Speaker 1: once in a generation players that you gotta have. I
Speaker 1: think that's the only position that you might be able
Speaker 1: to pay a running back. But overall, Houston, Houston, we
Speaker 1: got a problem, That's all I gotta say. Man, more
Speaker 1: than neging mistakes, and that comparison to the Cowboys, to
Speaker 1: me doesn't make much sense. I can guarantee you that
Speaker 1: there Brandon Cooks put up numbers like Amari Cooper, and
Speaker 1: then Girley put up bubs like Zeke did last year.
Speaker 1: They would have found a way to keep them on
Speaker 1: the team. It just wasn't really all about money. Those guys.
Speaker 1: They got rid of Todd Gurley one, he got bad
Speaker 1: knees and he was the source of all media last
Speaker 1: year trying to figure out when he was gonna be
Speaker 1: able to play. And Brandon Cooks was not able to
Speaker 1: be on the field. And I think that's those are
Speaker 1: the two reasons why they aren't on the team this year.
Speaker 1: Money is one, but I think their production and availability
Speaker 1: It was top of the list for that one, not
Speaker 1: necessarily just the bread because they'll pay Zeke and Coop
Speaker 1: right now if they were available. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question real quick. Do you guys think that that
Speaker 1: Girly contract and all does that affect Zeke going forward?
Speaker 1: Or do you think he's one of those outliers where
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He's that good, he deserves that money.
Speaker 1: He's good. I look at Zeke as a guy who's
Speaker 1: been healthy throughout his career, and I think then that's
Speaker 1: why I go back to the Gurly deal. Todd was
Speaker 1: never healthy. So if a guy was never health, it
Speaker 1: was just a matter of time when you were dealing
Speaker 1: with that type of injury. And I just think they
Speaker 1: screwed up as far as Cooks goes there, I didn't
Speaker 1: understand them paying him as well, considering you had Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup and I and this is just me. I think
Speaker 1: Sean Sean McVay is a kind of guy where if
Speaker 1: I'm less need, I asked, Sean McVay, who can you
Speaker 1: come in here? Who can we plug in here? And
Speaker 1: you can win with next? Kind of like what New
Speaker 1: England has been able to do during the years is
Speaker 1: being able to plug in guys and Josh McDaniels figures
Speaker 1: out a way to use that's just like this is
Speaker 1: this is the example of receivers playing for different quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Because the reason Cook's got paid is because he was
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, I believe, And I think Drew Brees
Speaker 1: was thrown to him and he was going crazy and
Speaker 1: then he got up there with Golf and it hadn't
Speaker 1: been the same. Maybe he's leading them across the middle
Speaker 1: too much. I'm not sure, but different quarterbacks will hurt
Speaker 1: our help the production of a great receiver. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: So that's that's one team, the Rams, and what they're
Speaker 1: doing Tampa Bay is bringing in Tom Brady here. And
Speaker 1: you guys had brought up the thought of just what
Speaker 1: you felt when Tom said why he left New England.
Speaker 1: So oh, I definitely think you know Tom. I believe
Speaker 1: Tom left just because one. I think his teeth done
Speaker 1: all he could for New Wing. I mean twenty years,
Speaker 1: six Super Bowls, nine appearances overall. I mean he's overall
Speaker 1: the goat in New England, so I mean pretty much
Speaker 1: he's the man there, and he I think he wanted
Speaker 1: a fresh start. I mean, contrary to belief, I think
Speaker 1: he did think that, you know, Bill Belichick was kind
Speaker 1: of getting all the credit, or that he didn't want
Speaker 1: to share the credit with Bill Belichick. He wanted to
Speaker 1: see if he could do it on his own. And
Speaker 1: I think he deserved that, right. I mean, twenty years,
Speaker 1: six bowls. If he wants to see if he can
Speaker 1: do it on his own, go ahead and right to you.
Speaker 1: I think he went to the right place in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're loaded offensively, so I don't think he'll
Speaker 1: take a dip. I think he'll actually do better this
Speaker 1: year offensively than he did last year. But I think
Speaker 1: he just wanted the opportunity to do it on his
Speaker 1: own seat. He could do it on his own and
Speaker 1: I think he deserves that, being a goat. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: him like I felt like he felt slighted us somehow
Speaker 1: up there. They'll never tell us the real story because
Speaker 1: they're professionals and they keep that to themselves and they
Speaker 1: do have a respectful relationship. But for him to say
Speaker 1: that he felt like the writing was on the wall
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year before it even started.
Speaker 1: So he knew something. He's been there twenty years. He
Speaker 1: knows how to how to fill out the temperature and
Speaker 1: the vibe there. And if he felt that way at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, there were some signals and
Speaker 1: signs that he was picking up on from Belichick. I
Speaker 1: don't believe it was Craft. I think it was Belichick,
Speaker 1: uh that that he picked up on and he just
Speaker 1: knew that that was the end for him. So I
Speaker 1: know it's something more there. But with them being the
Speaker 1: professionals that there are, having that relationship that they've had
Speaker 1: for so long, we'll never get it out of them.
Speaker 1: But so we just hit a speculate. I just think
Speaker 1: it was a little bit more than more than what
Speaker 1: they what they led us to believe. Um telling you
Speaker 1: that book's coming out, give it about stories. It's coming up,
Speaker 1: the true Stories. It's coming out. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: thirty for thirty or he gonna it's gonna be exclusive
Speaker 1: to the book. Yeah, I don't read it too, absolutely
Speaker 1: read it. So what are you making those do? Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay uniforms? So Tampa Bay Atlanta unveiled new uniforms and
Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw they had a picture of
Speaker 1: they showed him. It was that movie is the log Yard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the logus Yard. They look just like the prisoner's outfit.
Speaker 1: So the Logan Yard they look exactly the same. You
Speaker 1: know what, more power with them. They are what they are.
Speaker 1: I like the ones that they had previously. So so mccraig.
Speaker 1: That was the Carolina Panthers website. So they cracked back
Speaker 1: on them. And then you should you know, so you
Speaker 1: look at a person's laughing in the background, and then
Speaker 1: they showed Atlanta uniform and then it goes into that
Speaker 1: reveal of Adam Sandler and the The Longest Yard movie.
Speaker 1: But that was the Carolina Panthers. Oh these blubber runs
Speaker 1: their social media. They got the belt for that one.
Speaker 1: They got, they got the championship for that. These these
Speaker 1: these handles for these teams, Man, they get more creative
Speaker 1: and a little bit more bold as we move out,
Speaker 1: move on through the years, man, because just just like
Speaker 1: you see with like the water Burger, messing with McDonald's
Speaker 1: at Chick fil A, and all of this stuff is
Speaker 1: like now coming over into the NFL. And I think
Speaker 1: it's good for it's good entertainment for us. Man. It was.
Speaker 1: It was funny. Else probably one of the one of
Speaker 1: the times I laughed out loud during this during this lockdown.
Speaker 1: I mean, to be completely honest, those those uniforms are terrible.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tampa Bay's all right, I mean they kind
Speaker 1: of kind of a throwback to him. But Atlanta, I
Speaker 1: mean it looks like like a food bull shirt. Remember
Speaker 1: food Boo back in the day. It looks like a
Speaker 1: food Boo shirt. Man. That thing is terrible. It's terrible.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not good. And I just I just
Speaker 1: think about how many people had to sit in their
Speaker 1: room and give the old k so like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is you're gonna kill them with this one. This is fire.
Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all, is it right here? We're gonna kill
Speaker 1: them with this one. Let's do this unkilled video. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. And then you go on Twitter and you
Speaker 1: see the Carolina Pathers dogging you like that again, all
Speaker 1: comments and laughter out of it. Oh Man, putting that
Speaker 1: a good choice? Yell lettering on the jerseys, I thought
Speaker 1: was just I thought that was college. I was like this,
Speaker 1: this is not college putting your names out there like
Speaker 1: Cleveland did there. I didn't. I didn't like. I didn't
Speaker 1: like either one. I didn't like Tampa's or Atlantis. That
Speaker 1: was just me. Everybody want to be innovator. Man, I
Speaker 1: agree with you, Man, not good choices. They should be
Speaker 1: fired for that. Good choice. I'll tell you one that
Speaker 1: won't change. As the Cowboys on the players Lounge, the
Speaker 1: All Decade Team for the twenty tens comes out. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys were two players on their Tyrant Smith at the
Speaker 1: tackle position, Zach Martin at the guard position, and for
Speaker 1: both men U this is a great honor as they
Speaker 1: have built Hall of Fame resumes and there's still more
Speaker 1: to their careers. But when you start talking about trying
Speaker 1: to get in that room and can't. Ohio, where the
Speaker 1: writers make the votes? They Drew, look and see have
Speaker 1: you made it all decade teams? So Zach Martin Tiresman,
Speaker 1: this is a feather in their cap as well as
Speaker 1: everybody else who ended up making that twenty tens team. McCray,
Speaker 1: I know you wanted to talk about this topic and
Speaker 1: you were very happy that two of your your LSU
Speaker 1: Tigers make the least. Yeah, man, you know, shout out
Speaker 1: to the honey Badger. He changed the game with the
Speaker 1: with the with the with the golden mohawk. Oh am,
Speaker 1: I goal, No, I can hear Danny a little bit?
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Now? All right, Church, Church, you
Speaker 1: go ahead and pick up here. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: honors a thin here. I think they got it completely wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they missed out on two players
Speaker 1: who needed to be in this All Decade team, and one,
Speaker 1: of course, I think it had to be Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's a tough comparison with him
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers, but I think you gotta give Breezes
Speaker 1: the nod on this one. I mean, they've they've had,
Speaker 1: you know, MVP seasons. They both won a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: m Rodgers won hits within the two thousand and two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten decade or whatever. But they're both one
Speaker 1: time super Bowl champions. They're both great players. But I
Speaker 1: think you give Breese the nod. And then secondly, I
Speaker 1: think you gotta where was I had? How did I
Speaker 1: not make this All Decade team? I mean, I played,
Speaker 1: I played in the league. I played for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: seven years. I was a great safety. I needed to
Speaker 1: be on this All decade team. They missed out on me.
Speaker 1: I'm upset. I'm upset. What can I say? Take me
Speaker 1: back to this quarterback situation? Yeah, oh, you're just gonna
Speaker 1: and just gonna race. I mean, really, how do you
Speaker 1: take Breeze ahead of Brady during the twenty tens when
Speaker 1: you consider all the Super Bowls, at AFC Championships games
Speaker 1: that that Brady? Oh no, not Brady. I'm Brady's a
Speaker 1: lock for sure. I'm talking about Rogers. You tell Rogers, okay, smooth,
Speaker 1: nah man, are we back? Can y'all hear me? Now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We got you during the twenty tens, Rogers, I know
Speaker 1: it's close. He did he did he did, and MVP
Speaker 1: Breeze He's never won an MVP. I just think when
Speaker 1: you look at it overall, I just think overall from
Speaker 1: two thousand and two thousand and ten, I don't have
Speaker 1: the numbers in front of me right now. I'm just
Speaker 1: going by the eye test. I just feel as though
Speaker 1: Breeze made more of an impact than than Rogers did.
Speaker 1: Um Bud, granted, I will give you this, Breeze, I
Speaker 1: feel like I did play with more talent than Rogers did.
Speaker 1: So you might be swaying me a little bit here, Nui.
Speaker 1: I'm still going with Breeze. But now that I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the talent factor, I mean he had Michael Thomas,
Speaker 1: he had Alvin Kamara, I mean, Jimmy Graham and his prime.
Speaker 1: So you might be swamming me here, New you might
Speaker 1: be swamming me. I mean during the twenty tens, while
Speaker 1: while Brady was putting up you know, he was doing
Speaker 1: championship like things, there were a lot of times when
Speaker 1: you were just saying the best quarterback was Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: And while Breeze has been playing high level football for
Speaker 1: most of the decade, people were saying Rogers was the
Speaker 1: top quarterback in the thing? Are we just saying that
Speaker 1: just because of armed talent wise or actual like he
Speaker 1: was putting up those those numbers to back up the
Speaker 1: armed talent, I would say the numbers and also the
Speaker 1: the the wins. I mean they did a lot of winning.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Mike mccarth. I mean they
Speaker 1: did a lot of winning with Aaron Rodgers up there
Speaker 1: at Green Bay. The big criticism was that people were
Speaker 1: saying that they needed to do more more winning, which
Speaker 1: is kind of unfair. Something about that was the same
Speaker 1: thing you should have said about Breeze and in Sean Payton.
Speaker 1: They also won on the road, uh, with Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: and bree Breeze and do that as much. This is true,
Speaker 1: This is true, This is true. I I'm gona tree
Speaker 1: to disagree. They're both phenomenal players out there, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to lean towards Breeze on this one. I
Speaker 1: got I gotta finish getting my shout out to the
Speaker 1: Honey Badger and Patrick Peterson for making All Decade team.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Cowboys that made it. But those
Speaker 1: LSU guys made it. They changed the game, and Pat
Speaker 1: Peterson could have been on there twice because Church remembers
Speaker 1: when we got into the league, this guy was one
Speaker 1: of the most dangerous punt returners that we had seen
Speaker 1: of our time. He was he was doing the dns,
Speaker 1: he was scoring touchdowns and nobody wanted to kick to him.
Speaker 1: So shout out to those guys, Shout out to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Go Tigers. He was. He was definitely an electric as
Speaker 1: hell back there returning. But I have a question. Did
Speaker 1: Matthew Slater make make special teams all decade team? No?
Speaker 1: To me, that's a crime. He's been a Pro bowler consistently.
Speaker 1: He's obviously one of the top special teams players that
Speaker 1: ever played the game. I don't know how they did
Speaker 1: they have a slot for that though, because I only
Speaker 1: saw pun punt return and kick her and kickers. Did
Speaker 1: they have a like? I don't think they have a
Speaker 1: slot for just uh like they do at the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: Where do you just got being supposed to see? But
Speaker 1: he would have been on there they did not. All right,
Speaker 1: we got to take another break here, but when we
Speaker 1: come back, I'll get into the seventeenth overall pick for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and where I am leaning where two very
Speaker 1: successful college quarterbacks who were now without teams without proteins
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Speaker 1: I'm the we Scrugs, joined by former Dallas Cowboys players
Speaker 1: Barry Church and Danny McCray. Let's get back into the
Speaker 1: National Football League and two guys who won high school
Speaker 1: trophies and national championships were both the first overall picks
Speaker 1: of their draft. Jamis Winston and Cam Newton are both
Speaker 1: out of work. Jamis Winston posted a video of himself
Speaker 1: doing a workout, and David Carr cracked back on him,
Speaker 1: saying this is why you should not have your friends
Speaker 1: working you out, that he should get a real trainer,
Speaker 1: and Jamis fired back that this person has been his
Speaker 1: trainers since he was fourteen. They had a whole lot
Speaker 1: of success and said, look, I respect you, but if
Speaker 1: you don't have anything positive to say, you might as
Speaker 1: well just leave me alone. So I thought that was
Speaker 1: a smart comeback by Jamis to basically tell Car to
Speaker 1: stay out of his business. But where do you guys
Speaker 1: think Cam Newton and Jai Jamis Winston land are they starters?
Speaker 1: Where do you think they'll go? Church? You fire off first?
Speaker 1: For me, I'm gonna start off with Cam Newton. I
Speaker 1: think Cam got a little bit better of an opportunity
Speaker 1: than Jamis Winston, does it get back into that starting
Speaker 1: role pretty faster than he would have. Um, he's a
Speaker 1: former NFL MVB, he's been to the Super Bowl, He's
Speaker 1: had success, and a lot of these his downfall he's
Speaker 1: past couple of years. A lot can be blamed to injuries.
Speaker 1: I mean he had injuries to the shoulders, you know,
Speaker 1: the ankles all banged up. So I think if he
Speaker 1: can rework his playing style, you know, get get out
Speaker 1: of bounds more, or slide more, or get a ball
Speaker 1: out of his hands a lot quicker than I think,
Speaker 1: he'll have a better opportunity of being a starter somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, you know, he's a gun slinger. It is
Speaker 1: what it is. He throws and throws and throws. But
Speaker 1: I think the problem with him is he turns the
Speaker 1: ball over way, way, way too much, and I think
Speaker 1: it makes coaches uncomfortable even having him back there, you know,
Speaker 1: throwing the ball, because you never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: He had his Tampa Bay defense in the worst field
Speaker 1: position throughout the whole NFL, and that's because of his turnovers.
Speaker 1: Not only did he throw thirty interceptions, but I believe
Speaker 1: he lost five or six fumbles as well. So here's
Speaker 1: a guy that just is a turnover machine happening. And
Speaker 1: I think he might be able to stay in the
Speaker 1: league as a backup type role, maybe spot game here
Speaker 1: and there. But I just think coaches overall do not
Speaker 1: want that type of quarterback back there, slanging, throwing, intersept
Speaker 1: like that. But Cam Newton over I think he has
Speaker 1: a better opportunity to get back in that starting to roll,
Speaker 1: but he has to get healthy first, and once he is,
Speaker 1: I think he'll be one of the better quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah. Same here. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: people are gonna touch Jamimes Winston with those interception problems.
Speaker 1: He will be a backup guy. He'll make some of
Speaker 1: the easiest money in the NFL as those backup quarterbacks
Speaker 1: due like Chase Daniels. But I don't see anybody taking
Speaker 1: that risk of having their job on the line by
Speaker 1: picking up Jameis Winston. M Cam is definitely gonna be
Speaker 1: a starter somewhere, Just not sure where. Where's Where's Ron
Speaker 1: when you need him? Uh? Could? Could it? Could it be? Washington.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I know somebody will. It will
Speaker 1: not be Washington. It will not be Washington. Washington's got
Speaker 1: twenty two million, they got to pay Alex Smith, they
Speaker 1: got Dwayne Haskins, who the owner loves, and they just
Speaker 1: traded for Kyle Allen. There's no way Cam is gonna
Speaker 1: go up there and sit on the bench. So, no
Speaker 1: way he ends up in Washington. No way, even to
Speaker 1: a tug of Iolo two in the draft ends of
Speaker 1: a watching, they're set right there at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 1: So because of money and also just because of the
Speaker 1: owner's love and desire for Haskins, it's very strange. Uh,
Speaker 1: Camp will be a starter. I'm just I'm just not
Speaker 1: sure where where he fits in at But he is
Speaker 1: heading heading, heels above jamis in this in this race,
Speaker 1: and somebody would give him a shot, and I think
Speaker 1: he'll he'll be a star when he doesn't just put
Speaker 1: him in that position where he can be dangerous with
Speaker 1: his legs and his arm again, and I think he'll
Speaker 1: be successful. All right, another time. Yeah, I've got him. No, no,
Speaker 1: no church, hit a church. I was gonna say, you know,
Speaker 1: before I thought he would have had a great landing
Speaker 1: spot in Chicago. But you know they say they they
Speaker 1: went up there and got nick full. So I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure where he would be able to land. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe as you know, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be a tough one for him
Speaker 1: to lack. There's pretty much in every NFL team, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's kind of a solid guy back there. I don't
Speaker 1: always see too many openings up left for him, So
Speaker 1: he might have to slide in there as a backup
Speaker 1: and then uh taking role of the starting role you know,
Speaker 1: later on in the season. But we'll see Washington does
Speaker 1: not have a solid guy, but but the owner loves
Speaker 1: him then and we know how these things work with owners, Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember when when when Bill Parcels first
Speaker 1: took over the Cowboys, Jerry Jones said, hey, look I
Speaker 1: got Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson. I'd liked for you
Speaker 1: to see what the what these guys can do. When
Speaker 1: Bill said, okay that after yal, Bill is like I'm done.
Speaker 1: It brings it testiferny. So we know how owners have
Speaker 1: swayed in this. Jeff Fisher wanted Matt Leiner and the
Speaker 1: owner said we're taking vice young. So there you go.
Speaker 1: That's how that happened. There. Let me switch this back
Speaker 1: into the Cowboys. From Alden Smith's standpoint, Cowboys signed to
Speaker 1: a one year deal. Jay Glazer worked with Alden Smith
Speaker 1: and Alton Smith told him yesterday this was the low
Speaker 1: point for him in his football journey. What was rock
Speaker 1: bottom for you that you realized you had to make
Speaker 1: a change. Um, I would say twenty eighteen was a
Speaker 1: tough year. And in that year, you know, I was,
Speaker 1: I was in a really dark place and I didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, have a lot of value for how I
Speaker 1: thought about myself. So I was, you know, when I
Speaker 1: was in the in the bad spot. You know, it
Speaker 1: got bad, pretty bad. You know, I was sleeping under
Speaker 1: a car for some nights because like my my sickness
Speaker 1: took me there and I had a home sleeping, but
Speaker 1: I was in such a dark place that I didn't
Speaker 1: see myself deserving anything other than that. Wow, So you
Speaker 1: went from sleeping under a car to signing with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. It's it's unreal. Tell people, obviously, I know
Speaker 1: how you got connected with them, but I don't think
Speaker 1: the world. Tell people how the Cowboys first entered the
Speaker 1: picture in January. Yeah, so at um, your gym, Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy came and we visited, and I had and I
Speaker 1: had played against him when I was you know, in
Speaker 1: San Francisco, when he was in Green Bay. But that's
Speaker 1: as far as we had, you know, had contact. But
Speaker 1: when we met, it seemed like we had known each other.
Speaker 1: And you know, that was really important to me because
Speaker 1: going through this process, I wanted us surround myself with
Speaker 1: people who I felt that connection with it and I
Speaker 1: felt like he, you know, genuinely cares about me and
Speaker 1: just what I what I'm trying to do, and just
Speaker 1: me asn't man, And um, that was really important. All right.
Speaker 1: So Aldon Smith is still yet to be reinstated by
Speaker 1: the NFL. Saint thing goes for Randy Gregory, Bill Parcells's
Speaker 1: to say, I'll I could go buys what I see. So, fellas,
Speaker 1: from what you've heard so far from Olden Smith hasn't
Speaker 1: changed any of your thoughts about it. Because last week
Speaker 1: Boat said you you worked down with us. Uh would
Speaker 1: have to give that a note. Uh, Like I said,
Speaker 1: nothing against him. The proof is in the pudding. That's
Speaker 1: that's the one of the oldest sains and and until
Speaker 1: he's thrown into that fire of being in the limelight
Speaker 1: and being around the team and having an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go do the right thing or do the wrong thing,
Speaker 1: and being putting those situations and making the right choice,
Speaker 1: then I'm just I'm stuck where I'm at. I have
Speaker 1: a high hoax for him. I hope it works out
Speaker 1: for him, but until I see it, then you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be fooled by saying I think
Speaker 1: he's he's one hundred percent changed, and then as soon
Speaker 1: as he gets out there, something goes wrong. So high
Speaker 1: host form but we'll see. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna agree
Speaker 1: with you one hundred percent on that one day. I
Speaker 1: got high hoaxed for him. But like you said, we
Speaker 1: haven't seen him be thrown into the fire yet. I mean,
Speaker 1: what happens when he gets down here and Dallas is
Speaker 1: it's a big city. I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: lights going on, a lot of things just do at nighttime.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been thrown in that fire and over a year,
Speaker 1: so I want to see what happens when when when
Speaker 1: that presents itself to him. Also, what if this team
Speaker 1: is having a lot of success. What if they're he's
Speaker 1: He's and he's one of the reasons they're having success.
Speaker 1: He's on a double digit sack terror, he's going crazy,
Speaker 1: and then all the media and all everybody kind of oh,
Speaker 1: all that we want to pee, all that we wanted.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to see, is he is. He's
Speaker 1: still going to be as calm, cool and collected as
Speaker 1: he is in these interviews and still have that same mentality,
Speaker 1: I hope. So, I mean, I'm all about, you know,
Speaker 1: giving second chances, even though this is probably his tenth chance,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm all about giving giving second chances.
Speaker 1: And hopefully he's able to take advantage of this, seeing
Speaker 1: as though he has been blessed with the ability to
Speaker 1: come back to the NFL. A lot of people will
Speaker 1: wish they were able to come back to the NFL
Speaker 1: after four years, but you know, he's been able to
Speaker 1: have that opportunity. So I hope he doesn't waste it.
Speaker 1: But we'll see when when it comes down to a
Speaker 1: nut cutting time. Jim tom Sula is the Cowboys new
Speaker 1: defensive line coach. He worked with Alden Smith in San
Speaker 1: Francisco and the assistant defensive line coach is Leon Lett,
Speaker 1: and leon Lett has uh. He's a guy who can
Speaker 1: talk to Olden Smith and truly say to him, I
Speaker 1: understand a little bit of your challenge here because of
Speaker 1: what he went through in his career. So when you're
Speaker 1: talking about a support system, there's at least two guys
Speaker 1: there who can offer that to old and Smith. The
Speaker 1: NFL Draft is April twenty twenty fourth and twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: Teams are going to have to draft at home that
Speaker 1: cannot be at the facilities here. The Cowboys hold the
Speaker 1: seventeenth overall pick. They're more and more modern drafts out there, Fellas.
Speaker 1: You know, I do not want any parts of a
Speaker 1: Cowboy wide receiver at seventeen. I don't want any parts
Speaker 1: of a Cowboy wide receiver in the first, second, or
Speaker 1: third rounds. I believe they need to be all defense.
Speaker 1: They did bring in te Higgins for a video conference interview. Look, fellas,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play it because I know we're up
Speaker 1: against the clock here, so I'm gonna play t Higgins.
Speaker 1: But you guys, you can't want a wide receiver who's
Speaker 1: gonna cover somebody on this defense. Fellas, you're completely right.
Speaker 1: I mean you can't take a receiver. I mean you
Speaker 1: have two bona fide proven receivers on the outside and
Speaker 1: Gallup and Cooper, and I feel like you can find
Speaker 1: you don't have to waste a first round draft or
Speaker 1: a first round pick on a slot receiver. I feel
Speaker 1: like you can find a slot receiver later on in
Speaker 1: the draft if that's what you really want. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you got two bona fide guys on the outside. You
Speaker 1: got a tight end that I think can have a
Speaker 1: breakout season as a passive catcher. So I just don't
Speaker 1: see the reason to go offense first. For me, I
Speaker 1: would go I would go defense and that and it's
Speaker 1: specifically I would go in the secondary. I would try
Speaker 1: to go after the Alabama cornerback. I think his name
Speaker 1: was Tavon I want to say Tavon Wilson, I think,
Speaker 1: or Tavon Digs yet Yep, Tavon did. He's a he's
Speaker 1: a prototypical corner out there. He's big, he's ranging, he
Speaker 1: can run with anybody, and he's physical and he's had
Speaker 1: that secondary coach from Nick Saban, who's who's who's known
Speaker 1: to be one of the best defensive back coaches in
Speaker 1: the world right now. So I think that's that's one
Speaker 1: of the picks if he were to be there for
Speaker 1: them to pick up. But definitely not a wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would go defense, but I mean I wouldn't fight
Speaker 1: as hard. Uh, it's new. He is going against offense.
Speaker 1: I mean the formula show goodness my thing defensively, Church.
Speaker 1: I go back to this. You start looking at contracts.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of one year deals on this team.
Speaker 1: Outside of Anthony Brown, your safeties and corners are all
Speaker 1: free agents after twenty twenty. You look at your linebacking
Speaker 1: cort Joe Thomas is on a one year deal, Sean
Speaker 1: Lee is on a one year deal. Vander Esch has
Speaker 1: got a neck issue, and you did sign Jaalen Smith
Speaker 1: to a long term deal. So you have issues long
Speaker 1: term at the linebacking position. Gerald McCoy on the D
Speaker 1: line that's a one year deal. Don Terry Poets a
Speaker 1: two year deal and possibly to get out after one year,
Speaker 1: and who knows how long Crawfords goes. So we talk
Speaker 1: about the defense and having guys here for multiple years.
Speaker 1: Right now, we don't see a lot of that at
Speaker 1: all three levels. That's why I think you've got to
Speaker 1: go first round, because that gives you five years for
Speaker 1: a player, and then you start talking about the second
Speaker 1: and third rounds. This is four years. I mean they
Speaker 1: got to replenish themselves long term defensively for this team. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think you're think you're right, You're right on the money.
Speaker 1: I think eighty percent of this draft. I think maybe
Speaker 1: one or two picks later on, maybe to the offense.
Speaker 1: If that, you know, maybe just one. But you gotta
Speaker 1: address the defense. Like you said, we lost a lot
Speaker 1: of key pieces in free agency. We lost Quinn, we
Speaker 1: lost Byron Jones back there, we lost Jeff Heathrew was
Speaker 1: a quarterback of the secondary. I mean, we have a
Speaker 1: lot of defensive players that we have now or just
Speaker 1: like you said, under one year contracts. So if you
Speaker 1: want that stability, if you want that championship window, I
Speaker 1: think to expand for more than just one or two years.
Speaker 1: I think you gotta address the defensive side of the ball. Offensively,
Speaker 1: I think you're pretty much stuck with with you gout
Speaker 1: and I think that's really good with what they got
Speaker 1: on that side. So I think you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: look at this defense side of the ball and try
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get some picks in there
Speaker 1: and get some long term guys that can pretty much
Speaker 1: produce for this team. A lot of good comments on
Speaker 1: the seventeenth pick here on the Twitter web pigs as
Speaker 1: I'm just looking here as we're broadcasting, and there's some
Speaker 1: people saying, look, don't take Digs. It's seventeen. You trade back, Barry.
Speaker 1: Here's always been my issue with the problem of trading back.
Speaker 1: Every time we trade back, you're trading away from good players.
Speaker 1: But the whole thing about it, in terms of trading back,
Speaker 1: who's to say that Diggs is going to be there?
Speaker 1: You know, you can say, well, maybe seventeen is too high,
Speaker 1: you want to go to twenty four. But what if
Speaker 1: the Raiders at nineteen want Digs. I mean, there's other
Speaker 1: teams that are gonna look at these quarterbacks and say, look,
Speaker 1: we need help as well. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are in this great position where fans always think,
Speaker 1: let's trade back, let's trade back. If you like a player,
Speaker 1: then you take them. The Cowboys right now need help
Speaker 1: at the corner position. Cheeto Ruzier is your number one guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know how comfortable Mike Nolan is with that.
Speaker 1: I do think they need to invest in a five
Speaker 1: year because that's what you're gonna get with a first
Speaker 1: round pick in five years in a quarterback and trying
Speaker 1: to trade down and hope and pray that. Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: you like Diggs and he's not there, does that mean
Speaker 1: you're gonna take Glad. I just think if you're guys
Speaker 1: there at seventeen, take your guy and move on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. When I think one
Speaker 1: hundred percent with drafted, you like a guy and he
Speaker 1: and you think he can help your team and stoop
Speaker 1: from the jump, I think you gotta get him. I
Speaker 1: think that's all what the first round is all about,
Speaker 1: getting guys that can help produce you to help produce
Speaker 1: on your team immediately. And I think you need that
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball, especially at the
Speaker 1: cornerback position. Like you said, we have a Woozier there,
Speaker 1: but he struggled last year, especially on fifty fifty jump balls.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was able to pretty much keep
Speaker 1: up with a lot of the receivers out there. So
Speaker 1: I think we need somebody else in there to play
Speaker 1: at that cornerback position. Like you said, we have Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown and we have George Lewis in there at the slot,
Speaker 1: but I think he's a much better slot defender than
Speaker 1: he is an outside corner. So we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: with that. But I think they gotta go corner here
Speaker 1: and not trade back. If you like Tavon Diggs, if
Speaker 1: you like where he is or one of the other
Speaker 1: cornerbacks where that is, I think at seventeen, you gotta
Speaker 1: go grab him. Don't trade back, because like you said,
Speaker 1: you're moving away from good players and people, and you know,
Speaker 1: teams that are ahead of you, they might be able
Speaker 1: to snack those players up. So we'll see. Yeah, And look,
Speaker 1: if you say in the first round you're it's seventeen,
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to get a top corner
Speaker 1: if you want one, being Diggs, being Gladden me CJ.
Speaker 1: Henderson may go. A lot of drafts have CJ. Henderson
Speaker 1: going one spot earlier to the Atlanta Foustans, kind of
Speaker 1: like with the Fountas a couple of years ago, take
Speaker 1: Attack McKinley ahead of the Cowboys, and Cowboys were forced
Speaker 1: to take Taco Charlton. So but the Falcons have some
Speaker 1: of the exact same needs that the Cowboys do. When
Speaker 1: you're talking about D line defensive back. Look, if Javon
Speaker 1: kin Law of South Carolina happens to be there seventeen,
Speaker 1: I run and I go get that guy. Mean Joan Kinlaw.
Speaker 1: If you haven't read his story at all, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a guy who grew up homeless, who can
Speaker 1: really push the pockets big. This is a this is
Speaker 1: a difference making player. But because of the medicals, and
Speaker 1: I've talked a couple of scouts and people who follow
Speaker 1: this his medical some teams may not take him because
Speaker 1: with the uncertainty and not being able to check players
Speaker 1: after yourself and not being able to go do the
Speaker 1: second opinion on the medicals after the combine, there could
Speaker 1: be some people who decide to pass on kin Law,
Speaker 1: so he could fall to the Cowboys. Maybe it's seventeen
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you if he is, you take it
Speaker 1: because he's one of the top six players in this
Speaker 1: NFL draft based off a build. Yeah, I agree with
Speaker 1: Johanna present Man. If he's there, like you said, he
Speaker 1: is a beast and he's one of the most productive
Speaker 1: pass rushers in the in college football and in this draft,
Speaker 1: and I think if he's healthy, if you can get
Speaker 1: a second opinion, I mean, you gotta go. You gotta
Speaker 1: take a chance on him. He's one of those great
Speaker 1: players that you don't want to pass up. He don't
Speaker 1: want to risk him causing you harm later on and
Speaker 1: then in his NFL career. I mean, Ken law Is boy,
Speaker 1: you put that guy up there. He can play some three,
Speaker 1: you can play some five tech, he can play a
Speaker 1: little no. I mean this is this is a difference
Speaker 1: making guy. And one of the things that Cowboys got
Speaker 1: to do is figure out how to get more sacks
Speaker 1: and get more turnovers on this football team. I don't
Speaker 1: know the how blocks on him. Well, it's the knee.
Speaker 1: It's the knee. But here's the thing, Church, if it's
Speaker 1: not for the health issue, you're never gonna get to
Speaker 1: him at seventeen. So that's kind of true. He's a
Speaker 1: healthy guy. He's a top he's a top five pick,
Speaker 1: definitely a top ten pick, no doubt. But that's one
Speaker 1: issue here, with so much uncertainty with what we've been
Speaker 1: dealing with the COVID nineteen, that you could see a
Speaker 1: player like that fault and one thing. We know we
Speaker 1: see every draft. They're gonna be players who fall for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. And if you're lucky up, Banny, you can
Speaker 1: sit there, maybe take that shot at Jevon ken Law
Speaker 1: and Jim tom Sula feels comfortable with him and Mike Nolan,
Speaker 1: and then the Cowboys may decide they want to want
Speaker 1: to take that chance and try and build their team
Speaker 1: more on that D line and then try and maybe
Speaker 1: get a quarter in the second round and take their
Speaker 1: their chances there. President Trump was asked if he were
Speaker 1: pardon Joe Exotic, the guy for the Tiger King Netflix
Speaker 1: documented series, and in his briefing this week, Church I
Speaker 1: thought that was a crazy question to ask the president
Speaker 1: as he's dealing with the coronavirus. Yes, that is a
Speaker 1: crazy question to ask the president. I mean, we got
Speaker 1: a whole virus taking over the world right now, and
Speaker 1: you and you got somebody asking about Joe Exotic. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy's the guy's hilarious and he's must see TV.
Speaker 1: But I mean he could stay his butt in jail
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, we got we got further things
Speaker 1: to worry about right now, but Joe Exotic I made
Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well in jail man. I think
Speaker 1: you wanta stay there for a little bit though. If
Speaker 1: you have I'm not seeing Tiger King. I will tell
Speaker 1: you this. It's worth it. It is, really, it is
Speaker 1: worth it. If I was skeptical for something, do I
Speaker 1: really want to waste time doing this? I watched it.
Speaker 1: It was good. I binge watching, and uh it was stuff.
Speaker 1: So it was it was a good stuff side definitely
Speaker 1: check it out. All right. That is a players lounge
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