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Speaker 1: This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things the

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Speaker 1: election coverage.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 3: There's a little bit of a happy moment, a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a come together moment where finally, after well,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't a bruising primary, actually at all, it was

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Speaker 3: almost no primary, which might factor into why it's almost

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Speaker 3: a feeling of magnanimity right now coming from Trump on

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Speaker 3: this issue. Looks like everything's going just fine.

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Speaker 2: You had a meeting.

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Speaker 3: That was reported on yesterday between Donald Trump and the

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Speaker 3: governor of Florida, Ronda Santis, who I do think is

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Speaker 3: still by anybody who pays attention to these things, and

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Speaker 3: as a conservative, the best governor in America. There are

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Speaker 3: some other excellent governors. I think Kevin Stidt and Oklahoma's

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Speaker 3: doing a great job, and Kim Reynolds and I was

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Speaker 3: doing a really good job. I mean, there are a

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of governors, you know. I know our Texas

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Speaker 3: friends are good friends, like Jesse Kelly and Michael Barry.

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Speaker 3: I'd leave it to them to judge how Texas's governor

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Speaker 3: is doing. Overall. But we just had Paxton on who's

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Speaker 3: Attorney General? And I got to say sometimes sometimes the

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Speaker 3: governor of Texas I think does a pretty good job.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: I think Greg Abbott's done a phenomenal job on the

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Speaker 4: border and handling protests so far. The other one I

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Speaker 4: would mention Brian Kemp. They cleaned out Emory. Guy has

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Speaker 4: one of the highest population popularity numbers anywhere in the

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Speaker 4: country one by seven or eight stamped Stacy Abrams. There

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Speaker 4: are a lot of good Republican governors, and my governor

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Speaker 4: Bill Lee, I think has done a pretty good job

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Speaker 4: on a lot of fronts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you've got good governors there. I mean, if

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Speaker 3: you were trying to figure out the worst governor in America,

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Speaker 3: oh man, I know a lot of my New York

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Speaker 3: friends would argue with people that Kathy Hochel as bad

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Speaker 2: But you got.

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Speaker 3: Gretchen Witmer and Michigan. You got some really bad governors

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Speaker 3: in the mix on the Democrats side of things. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: No question, Ron De Santis has done a phenomenal job

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Speaker 3: in Florida based on everything that you can objectively see,

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Speaker 3: people moving here, economic growth, I mean, and people complain

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Speaker 3: about the cost of housing. Yeah, supply and demand and

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Speaker 3: it is way too expensive. Let me let me just say,

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Speaker 3: but that's because people want to live here, right, I

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Speaker 3: mean it's you know, why why are like, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know they can charge the prices they do. It's

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Speaker 3: what the market will bear. And people want to live

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Speaker 3: in Florida, so it's very expensive. Anyway, DeSantis had a

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Speaker 3: meeting in Miami with Trump, and Trump put this out

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Speaker 3: on Truth Social, which Clay watches the stock. Do we

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Speaker 3: do I need to put some money to put then

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Speaker 3: if I put money into Truth Social might not allowed

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Speaker 3: to talk about Truth Social, Right, That's the thing. So

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Speaker 3: I I don't know. We told you it was going

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Speaker 3: to be a crazy ride. The stock was at seventy

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Speaker 4: This alright, this is not the stock. If you just

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Speaker 4: want to put it in the in the in the Senate,

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Speaker 4: I forget it is. It is a roller coaster.

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Speaker 3: Ride every day, no matter what Yes, so Trump on

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Speaker 3: truth social That's why I was thinking about it putting

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Speaker 3: this out there. I'm just going to read this to you.

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Speaker 3: I am very happy to have the full and enthusiastic

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Speaker 3: support of Governor DeSantis of Florida. We're in a great

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Speaker 3: meeting yesterday arranged by mutual friend Steve Woodcoff at his

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Speaker 3: beautiful Shelby Club in Hollywood, Florida. The conversation mostly concerned

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Speaker 3: how we would work closer together to make America great again.

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Speaker 3: Also discussed was the future Florida, which is fantastic. I

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Speaker 3: greatly appreciate Ron's support and taking back our country from

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Speaker 3: the worst president in the history of the United States.

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Speaker 3: November fifth is a big day. There. You go from

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Speaker 3: from the thank you from the death. Next time, I'll

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Speaker 3: do it in a Cajun accent to really mess.

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Speaker 2: This up Trump himself. It's hugely different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want to get those confused. Look, this

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Speaker 3: is it's good to see, and I think on the

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Speaker 3: coming and pee because people got very passionate. Remember, why

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Speaker 3: are you endorsing descentists, why are you endorsing Trump? Or

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Speaker 3: or you're pushing too hard for descents. You're pushing too

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Speaker 3: hard for Trump. He said, Look, we're just talking about

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Speaker 3: have a rule, the rush rule. Now everyone gets to

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Speaker 3: just hold hands and watch.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Now we get to put on helmets and fight the communists.

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Speaker 3: But we're all doing it together, which is the good thing.

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Speaker 3: And this is the one, the one more broad political

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Speaker 3: take away a half from this clay, because we knew

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Speaker 3: this was gonna happen. Trump's just sad this said. It's

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Speaker 3: a good thing, and I'm glad to see that this

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Speaker 3: Stantists just has a big role in GOP politics going forward,

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Speaker 3: setting the example he has in Florida. And maybe he's

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Speaker 3: gonna run again in twenty eight. We'll see. But the

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Speaker 3: prosecutions of Donald Trump, I think have not only failed

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Speaker 3: also ensured a circling of the wagons, a consolidation of

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Speaker 3: support around Donald Trump. Because even if you are you know,

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Speaker 3: you can go down the list. We all know what

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Speaker 3: they are. The criticisms of Trump couldn't get the following

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Speaker 3: things done on the first term. You know, there are Republicans,

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Speaker 3: and I don't mean never Trumpers, and I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's helpful to conflate those things. Never Trumpers are Democrats

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Speaker 3: who lie to everybody. Right. There are Republicans who are

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Speaker 3: And I think even for those for those individuals who

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Speaker 3: clay to see what's gone on with the civil uh

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Speaker 3: you know, the civil law fair the criminal prosecutions, the

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Speaker 3: ensure that it truly is Trump's party again, just in

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Speaker 4: There's a funny he uh now they're not going to

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Speaker 4: have this case. But there was the poll out I

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Speaker 4: believe it was from CNN, which said that if Trump

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Speaker 4: was from ge Harvard Harris Pole, if Trump is convicted

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Speaker 4: for inciting the Capitol riots of January sixth, who would

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Speaker 4: you vote for Trump?

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Speaker 2: Fifty two to forty eight.

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Speaker 4: His margin in this poll actually went up if he

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Speaker 4: it is on some level potentially the case that these

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Speaker 4: charges have been the best advertisement possible for Trump because

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Speaker 4: they have solidified his argument that all of the government

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Speaker 4: between you, meaning all of us.

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Speaker 2: And otherwise chaos.

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Speaker 4: And even today when merchand came out, the judge in

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Speaker 4: the New York City case and said I'm finding Trump

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Speaker 4: in contempt nine different times, he find him nine thousand

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Speaker 4: given Trump's wealth, was not significant enough to deter his behavior.

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Speaker 4: Nine thousand dollars to Trump is the equivalent of many

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Speaker 4: if it's not significant enough, more of a just kind

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Speaker 2: So he said Buck that.

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Speaker 4: Now he's got to think about jailing Trump if he

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Speaker 4: is continuing to act in contempt of court. And I

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Speaker 4: like his poll numbers would go up even more so.

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Speaker 4: We're three weeks in to this trial. If anything, I

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Speaker 4: bet you would agree with me. Most people are paying

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Speaker 4: more attention to the protests on college campuses than they

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Speaker 4: are to the Trump trial, to the extent that you

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Speaker 4: And if you are paying attention to them, either it's

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Speaker 4: or it's making you less likely to support Biden. I

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Speaker 4: think they've destroyed They only had two real arguments to me,

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Speaker 4: buck They had and still have abortion, which they're gonna

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Speaker 4: run as hard as they can. It's basically the only

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Speaker 4: issue they have. But they in twenty twenty two ran

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Speaker 4: is a unique threat to democracy. I think a lot

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Speaker 4: of people say, wait a minute, you're trying to put

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that they've created a situation where they they've

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Speaker 3: which is the election interference here it couldn't be more obvious.

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Speaker 3: I'd also say Clay that because there's no cameras in

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Speaker 3: a criminal prosecution of Donald Trump for ripping the mattress

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Speaker 3: be more boring. Okay, a business records trial. I know

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Speaker 3: they're saying, oh, but Stormy Daniels in the payoff, and

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Speaker 3: just not interesting and it's certainly not horrifying and criminal

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Speaker 3: I think it's really hard for the Democrats to get

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Speaker 3: away with spinning this as anything other than a harassment campaign.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just the fact of what they're doing, what

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Speaker 3: they're proposing as the crimes that Trump committed, and that

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Speaker 3: there's no high court room drama. We're all sitting here.

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Speaker 3: It's like they're forcing Trump to go through you know,

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Speaker 3: DEI training for the trial or something. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: I think that's true.

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Speaker 4: And also it's all public before, so really there's no

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Speaker 2: Of any of this court proceeding.

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Speaker 4: And so I think it's ultimately working to Trump's favor,

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Speaker 4: and according to Mark Simon, maybe helping Trump to make

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Speaker 2: To win New York.

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Speaker 4: That would be the ultimate kick in the teeth thing

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Speaker 4: here if let's say, buck that we got a mistrial,

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Speaker 4: which there's a twenty percent chance of according to the

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Speaker 4: gambling market.

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Speaker 2: It's polymarket.

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Speaker 4: And then Trump were able to make New York competitive

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Speaker 4: because they forced him to stay up here for six

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Speaker 2: Remember they cheered him in Harlem.

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Speaker 4: This is why I started off the show by saying,

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Speaker 4: Paul, see, you and I have a similar political evolution.

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Speaker 2: One of the.

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Speaker 4: Reasons why I think you would make an in rigging

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Speaker 5: A few important points you brought up there, Clay, Yes,

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Speaker 5: I have, regardless of their political affiliation. They may still

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Speaker 5: my gosh, this is exactly what I've been feeling and

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Speaker 5: in order to save our country. If President Trump asked

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Speaker 5: I would be honored to do so, and I would

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Speaker 2: And TULSI.

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Speaker 3: Have you in the President spoken recently, Just curious what

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Speaker 3: I think it's very hard for anyone to see what's

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Speaker 5: Yes, President Trump and I have spoken, and I won't

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Speaker 5: And I'm calling you from New York City today, where

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Speaker 5: I just I hope that more and more amare Americans

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Speaker 2: I agree with just about everything you're saying, Tulsea.

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Speaker 4: Some people will call into us, they will email us,

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Speaker 5: I'm not a Democrat. I've always been an independent minded person.

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Speaker 5: I was no sweetheart of the Democratic Party while I

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Speaker 3: We have a link up Tulsi's book at Clayanbuck dot com,

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Speaker 3: so we want to go and get your copy today.

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Speaker 3: For love of country, leave the Democrat Party behind, Tulsi.

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Speaker 3: We always appreciate when you make time for us, and

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Speaker 5: Us, Thanks for having me on, Clay, great to talk

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Speaker 3: So Clay, I got to say, it would be very interesting,

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Speaker 3: right wing since I could spell my name. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: well you know we got a lot of those listening

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Speaker 3: right now, obviously. But if you want to win over

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Speaker 3: some of those middle of the road folks or some

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Speaker 3: of those people who are the persuadables, I think somebody

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Speaker 3: who has herself been persuaded, truly persuaded. I see. I

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Speaker 3: believe in her conversion. I mean, having spoken to her

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Speaker 3: privately and personally, I don't think she's playing some game now.

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Speaker 3: I think she knows. Oh my gosh, the Democrats are

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Speaker 3: destroying the country. I got to stop this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would be curious to hear from some of

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Speaker 4: y'all out there who heard that interview. Eight hundred and

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Speaker 4: two A two two eight A two. I think she's

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Speaker 4: firmly in the mix to be the next vice president

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Speaker 4: for Trump. I think Trump likes her. My the reason

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Speaker 4: I like her, and I'm not picking who I think

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Speaker 4: would be the best VP. I've said that I think

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Speaker 4: Tim Scott is going to be the pick, and I

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Speaker 4: still do. But the thing that I like about her is,

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Speaker 4: obviously you heard the question. I've had a similar political

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Speaker 4: evolution as her, and I think sometimes when you've seen

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Speaker 4: that evolution, you are more committed than somebody might have

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Speaker 4: been if you've been a Republican for forty years. I

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Speaker 4: think she's scared of where she sees the country going.

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Speaker 4: And I just told you I feel like right now,

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Speaker 4: from a metaphor perspective back in the day, this is

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Speaker 4: like a stage coach that's out of control. I don't

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Speaker 4: know how many of you feel this, but if you

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Speaker 4: remember the old Western when the horses suddenly started to

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Speaker 4: run and the stage coach is bucking along behind, something's

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Speaker 4: bad's happening, that's where we are.

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Speaker 2: I feel like.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to twenty four The Most Important Tier in

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Speaker 1: Politics with Clay Travis d box Sexton.

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Speaker 4: The veg Gramaswami joins us, now, I know you've been

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Speaker 4: all over the country helping out Donald Trump, but I

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Speaker 4: just want to start with this. You're in the neighborhood

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Speaker 4: of Buck and myself's ages. You've been on a lot

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Speaker 4: of these college campuses, I'm sure on your presidential campaign,

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Speaker 4: but also you were on them as a student not

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Speaker 4: very long ago, would you have believed that we would

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Speaker 4: ever be in a situation where a place like the

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Speaker 4: UCLA would be banning Jewish students from being able to

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Speaker 4: walk through the campus, that they would be pulling down

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Speaker 4: the United States flag and replacing it with the flag

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Speaker 4: of Palestine all over the country. Could you have foreseen this?

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Speaker 2: The vak.

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Speaker 6: So not with great pleasure, no, but you could see

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Speaker 6: the direction this was going for a very long time.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not trying to claim some sort of level

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Speaker 6: of foresight from before, but even a few years ago,

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Speaker 6: when I wrote my book Woke Ink, before people really

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Speaker 6: knew what the word woke was.

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Speaker 7: That's where this road ends.

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Speaker 6: And I think what many people may misunderstand even about

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Speaker 6: the current situation is describing it as anti Semitic, while understandable,

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Speaker 6: misses the point. Actually, what you're really seeing amongst young people,

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Speaker 6: and you've been I've seen this for the last decade

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Speaker 6: or more, is a deep hunger for purpose.

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Speaker 7: They are starved for a cause.

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Speaker 6: They are lost, And when you don't believe in the

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Speaker 6: American flag, you start pledging allegiance to a different flag instead.

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Speaker 6: It could be the transgender flag, it could be the

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Speaker 6: Palestinian flag, it could be in some cases, even weirdly,

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Speaker 6: the Ukraine flag.

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Speaker 7: And I think that that's a separate debate to be had.

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Speaker 6: But we have this innate hunger for purpose, to be

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Speaker 6: part of something bigger than ourselves.

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Speaker 7: And when you want to be part of something bigger.

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Speaker 6: Than yourself, and you no longer believe in God, you

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Speaker 6: no longer believe in your country, you no longer identify

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Speaker 6: as a member of a family or see yourself as

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Speaker 6: an individual, you start believing in new kinds of secular

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Speaker 6: cults instead. And this is just the latest one. And

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Speaker 6: so I think that's really what's happening. It's not specific

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Speaker 6: to this issue. Most students who are protesting on behalf

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Speaker 6: of Palestine have no idea what the heck they're actually

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Speaker 6: even protesting for. You have students on campuses chanting infittata,

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Speaker 6: which they don't realize is actually a complete inversion of

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Speaker 6: the word they're t to say, which is intofada, their

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Speaker 6: word for uprising. They don't even know what they're chanting.

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Speaker 6: You look at some of those video recordings, that's what

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Speaker 6: you hear. That's the essence of what's going on is

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Speaker 6: these people are lost and I think we got to

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Speaker 6: see that before we actually find an actual solution, rather

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Speaker 6: than just playing whack a mole, which is what I

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Speaker 6: think many in the conservative movement, frankly, have been trying

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Speaker 6: to do.

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Speaker 3: His response, Hey, Vivek, it's buck. You know, on these campuses,

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Speaker 3: we're seeing a level of madness that it is surprising

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Speaker 3: to some. But I think for those of us who've

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Speaker 3: been paying attention, this is just the latest iteration of it.

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Speaker 3: This is the latest spasm, if you will, of their lunacy.

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Speaker 3: And I'm reminded a little bit of the movie Aliens.

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Speaker 3: Are you an Aliens fan?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember?

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Speaker 3: I think it just had its like anniversary recently it

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Speaker 3: was released fortyeth anniversary.

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Speaker 2: I think I saw it was in the theaters. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 3: A great It was a great, great movie, James Cameron

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Speaker 3: movie back in the day. But remember when they say

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Speaker 3: we have to nuke the site from orbit. It's the

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Speaker 3: only way to be sure. No one's suggesting we knuke

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Speaker 3: these But I just want to know, is there a

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Speaker 3: way to fix these things or do we just need

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Speaker 3: to do we just need to separate? Does do people

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Speaker 3: that have a recognition of how toxic this has become

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Speaker 3: realized that there's no fixing Columbia University as it currently stands.

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Speaker 3: How do you see that?

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Speaker 7: Well, look, I think that actually those two things go together.

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Speaker 6: Is building alternative institutions is a necessary next step, and

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Speaker 6: some of those institutions are being built. When you think

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Speaker 6: about the private sector, Corporate America, the financial services sector,

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Speaker 6: when you.

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Speaker 7: Think about academic.

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Speaker 6: Institutions and universities, that competition does one thing. It provides

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Speaker 6: an alternative where people are able to go the likes

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Speaker 6: of University Austin, Texas, Ralston College, Hillsdale. Think about even

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Speaker 6: places like Ashland University here in Ohio, where I spoke recently,

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Speaker 6: really smart students by the way, completely not the goal

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Speaker 6: to be large, national name bright institutions, but just pursue

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Speaker 6: excellence in local contexts. I think as those competitors start

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Speaker 6: to draw great students away from the esteemed institutions yesterday,

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Speaker 6: the Columbia's, I mean even I'm ashamed of the alma

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Speaker 6: maters and the behaviors I've seen in places like Harvard

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Speaker 6: and Yale. That is going to have an effect not

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Speaker 6: just on providing additional choices for students, but I think

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Speaker 6: that's going to change the behaviors of those existing institutions

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Speaker 6: as well. So it's the absence of competition that actually

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Speaker 6: breeds this type of discontent, and so I do think

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Speaker 6: creating new institutions is an answer. So it's not just

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Speaker 6: separation for the sake of separation, the separation for the

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Speaker 6: sake of actually bringing competition in a marketplace of ideas

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Speaker 6: where it has been lacking. I think part of that solution, though,

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Speaker 6: is we have to offer an alternative vision, especially to

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Speaker 6: that next generation. And this is where the conservative movement

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Speaker 6: has fallen.

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Speaker 8: Short.

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Speaker 6: We will sit here complaining about one of those religions

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Speaker 6: at a time, right, wokeism, transgenderism, climatism, Covidism, you could

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Speaker 6: have your favoriteism. Anti Semitism now fits that list. I

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Speaker 6: think that each of those religions, those cults are really

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Speaker 6: just symptoms of that deeper void. And I think we

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Speaker 6: have who as a movement, go back to being firm

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Speaker 6: about what we actually stand for, right the individual, family, nation,

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Speaker 6: and God, beat race, gender, sexuality and climate. If we

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Speaker 6: have the courage to actually stand for something. And so

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Speaker 6: some of this is on the other side, but some

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Speaker 6: of this is our own problem too, is we've grown

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Speaker 6: lazy as a movement just criticizing the radical Biden agenda

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Speaker 6: or whatever it is that we're pontificating about without actually

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Speaker 6: offering an alternative vision of what it means to be

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Speaker 6: an American, what it means to be an individual, what.

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Speaker 7: It means to be sovereign.

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Speaker 6: I think sovereignty itself, sovereignty at the level of the

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Speaker 6: individual and the family, and the nation, and being a

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Speaker 6: nation under God, those are foreign concepts to the conservative

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Speaker 6: movement of today. It's not exactly what your Republican politicians

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Speaker 6: or even commentators talking about today, as opposed to using

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Speaker 6: whatever the latest trope was on social media to criticize

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Speaker 6: some flub of Biden.

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Speaker 7: That's lazy and it's falling short of.

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Speaker 6: What we really need to be doing if we want

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Speaker 6: to fill that vacuum of purpose that accounts for a

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Speaker 6: lot of the lunacy that we're seeing.

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Speaker 4: Vig you are like Buck and myself. You've been very fortunate,

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Speaker 4: You're building a family. Now you are obviously trying to

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Speaker 4: spread what I would hope is an antidote to this

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Speaker 4: issue with a lack of purpose that exists across much

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Speaker 4: of American youth. What's the best way for you to

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Speaker 4: do that in your mind as we gear up for

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Speaker 4: the six month basically starting block here of the election

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Speaker 4: in November. Do you think VP is that play? Have

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Speaker 4: you talked to Trump about that? Do you think that

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Speaker 4: you're in the mix for that? Are there other cabinet

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Speaker 4: positions that to you make sense. I know you're going

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Speaker 4: to be working hard to get Trump elected no matter what.

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Speaker 4: But on an individual basis, what's the most effective version

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Speaker 4: you think of yourself?

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Speaker 2: Where should you go? Where should you be?

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Speaker 6: So look, I think every person's got to look themselves

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Speaker 6: in the mirror and say, here are my God given gifts.

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Speaker 6: How am I going to use those to maximize impact

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Speaker 6: on saving our country at a moment where, let's be honest,

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Speaker 6: if we don't get this right in the next seven years,

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Speaker 6: it's how it long long it took to win the

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Speaker 6: American Revolution. I don't think we have a country left,

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Speaker 6: and I do think we're in one of those seventeen

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Speaker 6: seventy six moments today, and so Donald Trump is now

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Speaker 6: the George Washington figure of winning that modern American Revolution.

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Speaker 6: Took all of our founding fathers, many of them to

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Speaker 6: each wear their own different hats to really set this

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Speaker 6: nation into motion.

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Speaker 7: A couple things.

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Speaker 6: I look at, what are the things we need to

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Speaker 6: accomplish that we can accomplish through executive power if we're successful.

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Speaker 7: Two mass deportations.

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Speaker 6: One is the mass deportations of millions of illegals in

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Speaker 6: this country who shouldn't be here, sealed the border along

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Speaker 6: with it and birthright citizenship and once and for all

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Speaker 6: fix that immigration issue in our country. And the second

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Speaker 6: is the mass deportation of about three million federal bureaucrats

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Speaker 6: out of Washington, DC that should have never been there

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Speaker 6: in the first place, cleaning up that fourth branch, that

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Speaker 6: deep state that I think is the source of the

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Speaker 6: rot and the corruption that infests every layer of government

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Speaker 6: and even our culture.

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Speaker 7: So those are two of the things I've been passionate

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Speaker 7: about in my own presidential campaign.

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Speaker 6: And if I'm able to play a role in doing

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Speaker 6: one or both or the other of those things, or

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Speaker 6: both of them, you know, I think I'm gonna do

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Speaker 6: everything I can to play my role to restore the country.

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Speaker 6: But in terms of what position different people occupy, that

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Speaker 6: decision belongs to President Trump. It's the beauty of actually

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Speaker 6: having a chief executive who's been an executive deserves to

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Speaker 6: actually staff the administration and the way he runs the

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Speaker 6: country with the people who he believes are best in

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Speaker 6: each position. He and I've had some great conversations, and

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Speaker 6: I'll be honored to play some hopefully significant role in

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Speaker 6: reviving this country.

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Speaker 3: Just just don't forget your friends when your Treasury secretary.

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Speaker 7: Attached to the country. Okay, do you think.

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Speaker 2: You're still in the running.

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Speaker 4: Do you think you're still in the running for VP,

665
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Speaker 4: or do you think someone else is going to be

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Speaker 4: in that role?

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Speaker 2: And maybe there's something not.

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Speaker 1: Going to play.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to out of respect to my conversations

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Speaker 6: with President Trump and for the decisions he needs to make,

671
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to play the game of you know,

672
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Speaker 6: musical chairs of who are speculation. What I will say

673
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 6: is I've told him this is I'm excited to serve

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Speaker 6: in whatever capacity maximize the impact for the country.

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Speaker 7: We've had a great relationship.

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Speaker 6: But I think there's a lot of people, by the way,

677
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Speaker 6: in our bench that can play a lot of important roles,

678
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 6: each of which we're going to need to save the country.

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Speaker 6: And so whether that's people from the White House positions

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Speaker 6: to the VP to cabinet level positions. All of them

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Speaker 6: are important, and I'm here to play my part. So

682
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 6: just think I'm optimist important to be successful. We can't

683
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Speaker 6: count our chickens before they hatch. I want to say

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Speaker 6: a word about this too. Is this discussion presumed that

685
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Speaker 6: there's some sort of victory that we can take for

686
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Speaker 6: granted in November. Remember, just a couple of years ago,

687
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Speaker 6: we had this red wave that was supposed to come.

688
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 6: That red wave never came. And I think that we're

689
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Speaker 6: actually potentially on track to being complacent and seeing that

690
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Speaker 6: same risk play out unless we actually step up and

691
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Speaker 6: do things differently this time around, both in terms of

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Speaker 6: articulating our alternative vision and in terms of the legwork

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Speaker 6: of execution.

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Speaker 7: Right, A vision without execution is a hallucination.

695
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Speaker 6: That's what Einstein, That's what Thomas Edison said, and I

696
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 6: think it's true every bit today in politics, as it

697
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 6: is in any other realm. You don't like early voting

698
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 6: too bad, got to play by the rules to win

699
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 6: in order to change the rules to be what you

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Speaker 6: want them to be.

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Speaker 7: And so you know, I think that it is.

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Speaker 6: Important to have transition plans and what comes afterwards. And

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Speaker 6: I think President Trump's being very thoughtful about that, and

704
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Speaker 6: I'm hopeful to play an important role in saving this country.

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Speaker 6: But we're only going to get there if we actually

706
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Speaker 6: succeed by decisive margins. And let's be honest, a fifty

707
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Speaker 6: point one margin doesn't work this time around. I think that,

708
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Speaker 6: let's be very frank, a landslide minus some shenanigans is

709
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Speaker 6: still a decisive victory, and that's what we're.

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Speaker 1: Going to need at a moment.

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Speaker 6: We're skating on thin ice where we have decisive majorities,

712
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Speaker 6: and not just the Senate but also the House to

713
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Speaker 6: combine that with control of the White House. That's what

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Speaker 6: it's going to take to politically revive this country. And

715
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Speaker 6: so let's not get ahead of ourselves as well, to

716
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Speaker 6: assume that there's some outcome we're planning for.

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Speaker 3: Vi vike Ramaswami Viveke come back talk to us again soon.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be an important six months or so here.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, appreciate it, guys, and keep up the good

720
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Speaker 6: work of highlighting things that other people aren't talking about.

721
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Speaker 6: I like that you guys do it, and we need

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Speaker 6: more of that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you much.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 3: Good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to twenty four, the Year of Impact with

727
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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck.

728
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Speaker 3: We're joined by Tim Sheehy, who is running for US

729
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Speaker 3: Senate in Montana, an absolutely critical fight against Tester up there.

730
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Speaker 3: Tim is a former Navy seal, founder and CEO of

731
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Speaker 3: an aerospace company and a lot of other great stuff

732
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Speaker 3: we'll get into here in just a second. Tim, appreciate

733
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Speaker 3: you being with us, first time on the show.

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Speaker 8: Great to be here, Thanks for taking the time.

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Speaker 3: So let's just start with it.

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Speaker 9: What is what's pushing you to try to push this

737
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Speaker 9: guy Tester aside and become the next Senator from the

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Speaker 9: great state of Montana.

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Speaker 8: Well, to be out, I'd rather be doing something else.

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Speaker 8: You know, I got a great business, I got four

741
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Speaker 8: young kids, and you know we live out in our

742
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Speaker 8: farm and ranch in Montana. So I'd love to love

743
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Speaker 8: to stay here and not have to waste my time

744
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Speaker 8: in the swamp. But the reality is Americas at a crossroads.

745
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 8: And in summer twenty twenty one, you know, I watched

746
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Speaker 8: Cobble Fall and the most disgraceful, despicable, shameful, you know,

747
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 8: display of American idiocy in the generation. And you know

748
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Speaker 8: I fought there, my wife fought there, she was a

749
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Speaker 8: Marine Corps officer. You know, her brothers were in the military.

750
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Speaker 8: So almost all of our best friends, you know, we

751
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 8: went to the Naval Academy. We're in the service, served there.

752
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 8: I lost a lot of friends there. I was wounded there.

753
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Speaker 8: I mean, the list goes on. I mean the amount

754
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Speaker 8: of sacrifice that a very small sector of our population made,

755
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 8: as you well know, one percent joined and went. You know,

756
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Speaker 8: most of America was never affected by the war. So

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00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 8: those of us who went again and again and again

758
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Speaker 8: and had deep relationships there, were so disgusted to see

759
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Speaker 8: the way in which Joe Biden his Lackey's dishonored all

760
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Speaker 8: of our sacrifice and made a fool of our country

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Speaker 8: at the end of our nation's longest war. And you know,

762
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Speaker 8: I worked so hard to get friends and allies, interpreters

763
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Speaker 8: out of there alive, while our government did nothing. So

764
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Speaker 8: you know, that experience really woke me up to the

765
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 8: fact that, you know, if good people don't get involved

766
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 8: in government, if good people don't get involved and try

767
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Speaker 8: to be part of the solution, We're never going to

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Speaker 8: get this country back. So that's why I'm doing it.

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Speaker 8: That's why I'm here and let's get to work.

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Speaker 4: We're talking to Tim she He is the Republican nominee

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Speaker 4: in Montana getting ready to take on John Tester. For

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Speaker 4: people out there listening in Montana and certainly around the nation,

773
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Speaker 4: who are paying attention to what could be a race

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Speaker 4: that would flip control of the Senate, John Tester has

775
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Speaker 4: gotten by the past several cycles by claiming that he's

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Speaker 4: just kind of a moderate, middle of the road guy,

777
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Speaker 4: old Montana farmer who just tries to make common sense decisions.

778
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Speaker 4: The data doesn't actually support that he does that. For

779
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Speaker 4: people who might have bought that argument, Now that you

780
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Speaker 4: have dove into this and you are running, what does

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Speaker 4: John Tester actually do in office as opposed to what

782
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Speaker 4: he says he's going to do?

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Speaker 8: Well again, I mean, you know, Tester has two ax

784
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Speaker 8: He plays, you know, when he's in DC, he's a

785
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 8: loyal foot soldier for Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden, you know,

786
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Speaker 8: and then as soon as he comes back to Montana

787
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 8: he throws on a Carhart jacket and walks around and says,

788
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Speaker 8: you know, he's working with the Republicans to secure the border.

789
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Speaker 8: The reality is, you know, he's de rated by the

790
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Speaker 8: NRA one hundred percent planned parenthood. He's you know, ninety

791
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Speaker 8: plus percent voting record with Joe Biden. Actually, I think

792
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Speaker 8: it's more during this term. I think he's like ninety

793
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 8: five or ninety six percent. You know, this term. You

794
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 8: know he's voting. He voted against the Lake and Riley Act,

795
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 8: voted to let boys play girls sports, has voted to

796
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Speaker 8: continue funding illegal emmigrant flights all over this country. And

797
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Speaker 8: you know, he's a loyal spots soldier for the left.

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Speaker 8: So he plays the game in Montana, and you know,

799
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Speaker 8: he's been able to survive as you said, several terms.

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Speaker 8: You know, he's part of the Lucky Cannder club six, twelve,

801
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 8: and eighteen, all strong Blue years. And you know Tchuck

802
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 8: Schumer and Harry before him. You know, they dumped tremendous

803
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 8: resources into the state. They literally buy this Senate seat

804
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 8: every cycle because they know John Tesser can't win without

805
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 8: a hundred million dollars of dark money two in a

806
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 8: million dollars of dark money pouring into the state and

807
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 8: protecting him. And then finally the last thing they do

808
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 8: is they have one tactic every election, and that's outright

809
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 8: character assassination and smear at tactics on the Republican opponent.

810
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 8: They can never run on the issues of Montana because

811
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 8: he loses on the issues all the way down the ballot.

812
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 8: So instead they just savage the opponent with completely discussing

813
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 8: personal attacks. And that's what they're doing now. But the

814
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 8: polls are showing it's not working.

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Speaker 3: Speaking to Tim Sheehy, he is running up in Montana

816
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Speaker 3: for a Senate seat, And Tim, you mentioned your opponent

817
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Speaker 3: playing make believe. When it comes to wanting to secure

818
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Speaker 3: the border. What's your position on the border. You might

819
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Speaker 3: have heard Trump, I think it was just two days

820
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Speaker 3: ago in Michigan saying there's going to be major deportations

821
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Speaker 3: if he wins. A whole range of things. The border,

822
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Speaker 3: in some polls is the number one or number two issue,

823
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Speaker 3: depends on which polster you believe most. It's certainly top

824
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Speaker 3: of mind. What is your position when it comes to

825
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Speaker 3: the crisis we have now of an open border, illegals

826
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Speaker 3: pouring in by the millions. What should be done?

827
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Speaker 8: My position on everything, and this issue is no difference,

828
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Speaker 8: is common sense. No other country in the world, let's happen.

829
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Speaker 8: What's happening to us right now? No one else in

830
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Speaker 8: the world, No other country says, Hey, millions of people

831
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Speaker 8: come in here, some of them probably good people, of course,

832
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 8: a lot of them very bad people coming here bringing fentanyl,

833
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Speaker 8: you know, bringing their gang ties, you know, murdering people,

834
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Speaker 8: literally murdering people and getting away with it. We saw

835
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Speaker 8: those kids in New York City, you know, beating cops

836
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Speaker 8: in the street, and the next day they're free, let go. Meanwhile,

837
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Speaker 8: we're arresting presidents and putting them in trial. We have

838
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Speaker 8: the resources for that, but we don't have the resources

839
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Speaker 8: to prosecute criminal illegal aliens here murdering Americans. It's insane.

840
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Speaker 8: So my policy is very simple, that border needs to

841
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 8: be airtight tomorrow. There's no excuse. We need to stop

842
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 8: incentivizing people to come here. And how are we incentivizing.

843
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 8: We're telling them when you come here, you're going to

844
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Speaker 8: get free closes, free lodging, free food, free air transportation

845
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Speaker 8: around the country to a city of your choosing, and

846
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 8: there's no consequences. And you know, we as a country

847
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 8: have to get back to rewarding good behavior and punishing

848
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 8: bad behavior. That's what common sense is. If you break

849
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Speaker 8: the law, you go to jail. If you're a squatter

850
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 8: in someone's home, you don't arrest the homeowner. You arrest

851
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Speaker 8: the squatter. And across the board where you know up

852
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 8: is down and down is upright now, boys or girls

853
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 8: and girls are boys. It's insanity and the border is

854
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Speaker 8: no different. We have to lock it down. I'm pro iommigration.

855
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 8: I want people to come to this country the right way.

856
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 8: I've brought people to this country the right way to

857
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 8: work for my companies. But that's a big difference from

858
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 8: bringing people here the right way to have people pour

859
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Speaker 8: into this country who don't want what's right for our

860
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Speaker 8: country by the millions. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Tim Sheehey with us right now.

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Speaker 4: He's running for Senate in Montana, trying to flip control

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Speaker 4: of the chamber back, as his seat is one of

864
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Speaker 4: the top targets of both sides. Frankly, in terms of

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Speaker 4: the battle for who's going to control of the Senate.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know the numbers yet, but

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Speaker 4: I imagine that the amount of money raised in a Montana

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Speaker 4: Senate race is going to be ninety ninety five percent

869
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Speaker 4: out of state, and that people in Montana are just

870
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 4: going to be flooded and inundated with the amount of

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Speaker 4: money that's being spent. How are you doing in terms

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Speaker 4: of raising money from actual Montanas and how much of

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Speaker 4: the money that you're going to have to fight against

874
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Speaker 4: from John Tester is going to be flooding in from elsewhere.

875
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Speaker 4: And for people out there who are listening and want

876
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Speaker 4: to support you, how can they do it? But I'm

877
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Speaker 4: just kind of curious. I mean, this is going to

878
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Speaker 4: be one of the most expensive Senate races. I would

879
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Speaker 4: imagine anywhere in the country.

880
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Speaker 8: This will be the most expensive race in American history

881
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 8: per vote, of any race, the most expensive race in

882
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 8: American history on a per vote basis, which is ridiculous.

883
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 8: It's embarrassing. You know, we need to have campaign finance perform,

884
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 8: we need to fix this crap. But that's not going

885
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 8: to happen before November. So in the meantime tenframt dot com,

886
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 8: you know, folks can learn about me and about the race.

887
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Speaker 8: You yeah, we're getting out spent. I mean, test is

888
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 8: raising you know, sometimes eight million dollars a quarter. You know,

889
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 8: every quarter. We're hoping to pumps through two maybe three

890
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 8: if we're lucky, and you know, we're we're doing grassroots

891
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 8: hitting the whole state, every VFW hall, every rodeo. But

892
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 8: you're absolutely right. I mean it is we're getting not

893
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 8: raised three to one, four to one, five to one,

894
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 8: and outspent. I mean there's a period of time there

895
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 8: was million dollars a week of just peer savage attack

896
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 8: ads on me, you know nothing even talking about what

897
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 8: Tester's doing, just made up crap about me. My family

898
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 8: are a tradable worker of businesses, my military record, and

899
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Speaker 8: that's what they spend their money on. The money goes

900
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Speaker 8: to do one thing, assault me and my family and

901
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 8: everything we've done. My wife and I both served this

902
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 8: country in combat. I was wounded in combat. We've created

903
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 8: hundreds of jobs. But of course they're turning all that

904
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Speaker 8: into evil. And what I've challenged esters, Hey, why don't

905
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 8: we just have a race about the issues? Man, Why

906
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 8: don't we just talk about the border and gas prices

907
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 8: and foreign policy and inflation. Instead, all he wants to

908
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 8: do is make up lies about us. But that's where

909
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 8: the money is going. We're getting outspent. You know again,

910
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Speaker 8: picked your week two to one, three to one, four

911
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 8: to one, five to one. But we're getting crushed. But

912
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Speaker 8: we're winning in the polls. The last poll that came out,

913
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 8: we're forty eight forty five. So the more money they spend,

914
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Speaker 8: the more people are realizing that sending John Tester back

915
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 8: for a fourth term to sell out America for another

916
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 8: six years is not the right answer.

917
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Speaker 2: You're actually favored.

918
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Speaker 4: I don't know if you pay attention to the polymarket,

919
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 4: offshore markets for people out there who are interested in investing.

920
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 4: Your favored to win this race right now despite what

921
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 4: they're spending on against you. You said something pretty extraordinary

922
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 4: there that per vote, this is going to be the

923
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 4: most expensive race that has ever happened in the history

924
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Speaker 4: of the United States. What kind of cost per voter

925
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Speaker 4: are we looking at? What is this race going to cost?

926
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, we got about seven hundred thousand. I mean,

927
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Speaker 8: you got a million ish residents in Montana. You know,

928
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Speaker 8: typical voter turnout, we'll get six hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand. Obviously,

929
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Speaker 8: we're trying to drive more voter turnout because we know

930
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Speaker 8: that the people in Montana don't want boys and girls

931
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Speaker 8: locker rooms, they don't want open borers, they don't want

932
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Speaker 8: six dollars diesel. So we know that the people support us.

933
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Speaker 8: We just got to get to the polls and please

934
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Speaker 8: everybody listening. You know, I assume you're conservative. You're listening.

935
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Speaker 8: You know we're getting beat coast to coast ten on

936
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Speaker 8: voter turnout by the Democrats. You know, we all want

937
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Speaker 8: I want in person voter ID one hundred percent, but

938
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Speaker 8: guess what, that's not the law of the land this year.

939
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Speaker 8: We need to make sure Republicans get out vote early, vote,

940
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Speaker 8: by mail, vote, absentee vote, whatever it is. Just make

941
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Speaker 8: sure you actually vote because we're getting crushed on turnout

942
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Speaker 8: and a Montana they're saying this race could be tw

943
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Speaker 8: hundred and fifty to three hundred million for six of

944
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Speaker 8: seven hundred thousand voters. Oh my crazy, those are crazy numbers, exactly.

945
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Speaker 8: It's insane. But you know that's where we're at. And

946
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Speaker 8: you know we're not going to beat them on the

947
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Speaker 8: money side, we know that, but we got to have

948
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Speaker 8: enough to fight back. You know, I'm not going to

949
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Speaker 8: be more more AMMO than I got to be able

950
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Speaker 8: to fight back.

951
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Speaker 3: Timmy, you got a big chunk of of You know,

952
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Speaker 3: It's funny because I think to people who aren't haven't

953
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: spent a lot of time in Montana and don't know

954
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Speaker 3: the state particularly well, it's it's republic It's a Republican state,

955
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Speaker 3: right if you look at the the voting demographics and

956
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Speaker 3: party registration. But there's a big chunk of independents who

957
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Speaker 3: can swing it one way or the other, right, isn't

958
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Speaker 3: Is that the breakdown in Montana? I remember someone telling me,

959
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Speaker 3: you know, Bozeman's obviously very blue, couple of other little

960
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Speaker 3: blue pieces of the state, then the rest of the

961
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Speaker 3: state's very red. Just give us a sense of how

962
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Speaker 3: that all comes together and how independent didn't you know

963
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Speaker 3: view this race and why you think you're able to

964
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Speaker 3: get more of them?

965
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Speaker 8: Yeah? No, thank you for asking that, because you're absolutely right.

966
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Speaker 8: There's an oversimplification of what people think Montana is politically.

967
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Speaker 8: You know, they say, well, they're a big square, empty

968
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Speaker 8: western state, so they must be deep red. And the

969
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Speaker 8: fact is it's far more complex than that. I mean, yes,

970
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Speaker 8: Trump won the state by twenty points, you know, seventeen points,

971
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Speaker 8: you know, landslide the state. But the reality is just

972
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Speaker 8: nine years ago here in Montana, you know, seven out

973
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Speaker 8: of eight state wide elected offices were Democrats, and today

974
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Speaker 8: eight of nine are Republicans and that just shows the shift.

975
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Speaker 8: The state has not changed. What's changed is the Democrat

976
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Speaker 8: Party has left the state. You know, the Democrats in Montana.

977
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Speaker 8: Of course, yes you have your you know, pro Hamas

978
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Speaker 8: Palestinian lefty loonies on the college campuses. But the traditional

979
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Speaker 8: Montana Democrats were union, they were labor, they were you know,

980
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Speaker 8: they were back when you could still have a Democrat

981
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Speaker 8: that was pro gun, pro cop pro border, pro life democrat.

982
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Speaker 8: You know, that doesn't really exist anymore. And those people

983
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Speaker 8: in Montana have said, man, this part of that used

984
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Speaker 8: to support my grandfather's mining union, pipe fitters union. Uh,

985
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Speaker 8: you know, like they're not they're not They're not standing

986
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Speaker 8: up for the white working class, blue collar guy anymore.

987
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Speaker 8: You know, they're selling us out. And so that's been

988
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Speaker 8: the big shift. And and you know all the other

989
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Speaker 8: common misconceptions folks coming into the state, especially during COVID,

990
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Speaker 8: you know, they see the so yellowstone, they're like, oh,

991
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,959
Speaker 8: I everyone's a liberal Californian parachuting into Montana making it blue.

992
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Speaker 8: And that's actually incorrect. Most of the people coming here

993
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Speaker 8: are political refugees fleeing Portland, Seattle, Sacramento, San Francisco, La

994
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Speaker 8: saying I'm getting away from this craziness. I'm getting away

995
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Speaker 8: from you know, homelessness and crime and crazy taxes, and

996
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Speaker 8: I'm going to move to a state where I'm going

997
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Speaker 8: to be free and and they're they're bringing those values here.

998
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Speaker 8: And that's another reason why why we're seeing the states

999
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Speaker 8: solidify red. So there is that there is an independent swing,

1000
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Speaker 8: and I wouldn't quite call it independent, It's more of

1001
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Speaker 8: a libertarian swing. Here in Montana. We do have a

1002
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Speaker 8: lot of folks that their mindset is, hey, less government's

1003
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Speaker 8: better government, and I can't disagree with that one bit.

1004
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 8: You know, they're out because really I don't really care

1005
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 8: what party, Just stay out of my curios, don't bother me,

1006
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 8: and go home. And I think those folks, of course,

1007
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Speaker 8: there's only one party now that even mentions, you know,

1008
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Speaker 8: smaller government, that even mentions restricting the power of our

1009
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Speaker 8: federal government. And we know which part of that is.

1010
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Speaker 8: So I think that that kind of libertarian position has

1011
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 8: drifted to the right here in these last few years,

1012
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Speaker 8: especially especially during and after COVID, when we saw the

1013
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 8: greatest trampling of our constitutional rights in the history of

1014
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Speaker 8: this country.

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Speaker 3: Tim four Mt Dot com is where you can go

1016
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Speaker 3: to help out and pitch in. Tim she we are

1017
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Speaker 3: certainly rooting for you here. Thank you for your service

1018
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 3: to the country, and thank you for joining us on

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Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 8: Thanks your Tom. We'll be back to the other time.