WEBVTT - S3E5: Double Barrel

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, it's your host ed helms.

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, on with the chaos. This is Snaffoo Season

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<v Speaker 1>three Formula six. Last time on Snaffoo, Mabel Walker Willebrandt's

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<v Speaker 1>wet opponents were scary powerful, especially in court. George ramis

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<v Speaker 1>one of the craziest stories you hear, like an incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>successful defense attorney becomes like the biggest bootlegger ever. But

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<v Speaker 1>even when Mabel won her cases, it felt like she

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<v Speaker 1>was always just one step behind the sprawling bootleg business.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't have much in the way of financial support.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the things that was indicative of the

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<v Speaker 3>attitude of the dries is that they passed these laws

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<v Speaker 3>but gave no money for enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>Playing by the rules just couldn't hold back the tide

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<v Speaker 1>of liquor washing over America.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that there were only twenty six hundred prohibitionations

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<v Speaker 3>covering the entire Canadian border, of the Mexican border, and

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<v Speaker 3>both coasts.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a storm rolling in over the little town of Homer, Nebraska,

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<v Speaker 1>in the creek bottoms and river beds that criss crossed

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<v Speaker 1>the eastern border of the state. The water starts to

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<v Speaker 1>rise and it all runs downhill towards Homer. It's nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen and one of Homer's newest residents a man named

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Hart is riding home with some neighbors. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>grow up in Nebraska. He was the kind of kid

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<v Speaker 1>who fell in love with the wild West. When he

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<v Speaker 1>was a teenager, he ran off to be a cowboy,

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a thrill seeker. His journey took him

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<v Speaker 1>from the ranch to the circus to the life of

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<v Speaker 1>a soldier in the Great War. When he came back

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<v Speaker 1>from the war, he took a train west and Homer

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<v Speaker 1>is where he landed. A few of his new German

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<v Speaker 1>American neighbors, the Wench family, opened their doors to him,

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<v Speaker 1>car doors. At least they're giving him a lift. He's

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<v Speaker 1>crammed in the car with Mama Wench and a few

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<v Speaker 1>of her kids, including the oldest daughter, twenty year old Kathleen.

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<v Speaker 1>They're on the road winding along the Missouri River when

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<v Speaker 1>the oncoming storm overtakes them.

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<v Speaker 4>Homer is very close to the Missouri River. When Richard arrived,

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<v Speaker 4>there was flood.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Richard's great grandson, Corey Hart. And no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the eighties rockstar Corey Hart, who wears sunglasses at night,

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<v Speaker 1>much to the disappointment of my inner ten year old.

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<v Speaker 1>So families in Homer, Nebraska know all too well how

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<v Speaker 1>the area is prone to flooding, and this one is

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<v Speaker 1>really bad. Water rises up and crashes into the little town.

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<v Speaker 1>Dozens of houses are destroyed and some are even completely

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<v Speaker 1>washed away. For Richard and the Winch family in the car,

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<v Speaker 1>the situation gets dire.

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<v Speaker 4>What didn't realize is that a car that the n

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<v Speaker 4>was also beginning to be overtaken by that flood.

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<v Speaker 1>The storm pounds on the hood of the car, but

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<v Speaker 1>through the rain they see a girl walking on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of the road. They pull over to let her

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<v Speaker 1>in and tell her it's not safe outside, But before

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<v Speaker 1>they can get the car moving again, they're caught in

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<v Speaker 1>a surge of water. It rises up under them, lifting

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<v Speaker 1>the car and sweeping the whole thing into the current.

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<v Speaker 1>The little girl is terrified, and in a moment of panic,

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<v Speaker 1>she jumps out of the car and she's instantly flushed downstream.

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<v Speaker 4>And so Richard saw what was happening and jumped in

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<v Speaker 4>to say the girl.

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<v Speaker 1>He swims hard and stays in control despite the raging

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<v Speaker 1>flood around him. When he catches up to her, he

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<v Speaker 1>finds she's caught on a tangle of barbed wire fence

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<v Speaker 1>invisible under the murky brown surface. Working quickly, Richard untangles

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<v Speaker 1>her and swims on. He drags her to the far bank.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he turns back to the river.

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<v Speaker 4>Kathleen Lynch was in the vehicle that was floating away,

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<v Speaker 4>but Richard and another individual and Homer, we're able to

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<v Speaker 4>jump in and pull that car to safety.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard bites the river yet again to save Kathleen's life

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<v Speaker 1>and drag the Winch family car back to dry land. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you heard that right. He pulls a car from a

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<v Speaker 1>raging flood one of those super human adrenaline rushes, I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was his bravery that really caught the eye

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<v Speaker 4>of Kathleen and said that this is a guy that

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<v Speaker 4>I want to be with.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe a little bit of transference going on here, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of falling in love with this guy right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, who wouldn't. As the flood cleared and the

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<v Speaker 1>story spread, the town of Homer decided Richard Hart was

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<v Speaker 1>just the kind of hero they needed. He may have

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<v Speaker 1>still been an outsider, but they made this rugged twenty

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<v Speaker 1>something their town marshal, and just in the nick of time,

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<v Speaker 1>because there was another flood coming. The floodud of illegal

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<v Speaker 1>liquor that Alexander Gettler warned about. It wasn't just in

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<v Speaker 1>the big cities like New York, it was coast to coast.

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<v Speaker 1>When Mabel Walker, Willebrant and the Bureau boys looked west

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<v Speaker 1>for agents to fight the alcohol flood in Nebraska, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>volunteered as a lawman. He was known for toting not one,

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<v Speaker 1>but two guns, which gave him the Wild West nickname

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<v Speaker 1>of every little Cowpoke's Dreams, Richard two Gun Heart. He

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<v Speaker 1>became a soldier in the Dry Army. As the leaders

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<v Speaker 1>of the Dry cause grew more and more desperate to

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<v Speaker 1>fight the influx of booze. It would put Richard shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>to shoulder with some of the most vicious forces in America.

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<v Speaker 1>I met Helms And this is Snaffo, a show about

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<v Speaker 1>history's greatest screw ups. This is season three, story of

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<v Speaker 1>Formula six. How prohibitions war on alcohol went so off

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<v Speaker 1>the rails the government wound up poisoning its own people. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we're leaving Norris and Gettler in New York and James

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<v Speaker 1>Duran and Mabel Walker Willebrandt in DC, and we're taking

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<v Speaker 1>a trip out west to see how things are going

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<v Speaker 1>with prohibition agents. Far Afield a place where classic yahoo

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<v Speaker 1>gun slinging methods were used, methods that would shock the

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<v Speaker 1>public and eventually stain the dry cause. So this two

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<v Speaker 1>gun nickname. In the years before World War One, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>had ridden and ranched across the West. His childhood dream

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<v Speaker 1>was to be a cowboy, and gosh darn it, he

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<v Speaker 1>pulled it off. He criss crossed the American planes, on

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<v Speaker 1>cattle drives, and even traveling circuses. He was used to long,

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<v Speaker 1>lonely days on horseback, broken up by shows where his

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<v Speaker 1>trick shooting and skills as a wrestler brought cheering crowds

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<v Speaker 1>to their feet. As his great grandson Corey says, a

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<v Speaker 1>little of the circus showman stuck with him throughout his life.

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<v Speaker 1>He even bought himself two pearl handled cult forty fives.

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<v Speaker 4>You love to show off, and so if you could

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<v Speaker 4>have the opportunity to show off his sharp shooting skills,

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<v Speaker 4>he would. There are rumors that he would shoot apples

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<v Speaker 4>at the top of people's heads. If you think, if

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<v Speaker 4>Richard Hart, it's a thing, it's always two guns. It's

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<v Speaker 4>two guns, you know, and so Why are you not

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<v Speaker 4>going to call someone like that, two gun heart?

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<v Speaker 1>It just fits Richard. Two gun Heart. It's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta admit, I've been workshopping Eddie near Sighted Helms

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, but the focus group around my kitchen

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<v Speaker 1>table is not a fan. For some reason. Richard, though,

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<v Speaker 1>was living out his childhood dream, the hero of the

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<v Speaker 1>story he'd always imagined. When World War One took Richard,

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<v Speaker 1>George Cassidy, and a couple of million others over to France,

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<v Speaker 1>the Great War made Richard an honest to goodness soldier.

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<v Speaker 5>But afterwards, as he's heading out west, he just gets

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<v Speaker 5>off on this stop in Nebraska and sees this town Homer,

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<v Speaker 5>and knew this was a point far enough west where

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<v Speaker 5>that lifestyle still existed, so he could.

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<v Speaker 2>Continue this mission in his life to be a cowboy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, by this point, there weren't a ton of old

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<v Speaker 1>West cowboys still bopping around out there. Wild Bill, Buffalo Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>all the old bills. That's an older generation. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>stories that kept them alive, you know. The wave of

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<v Speaker 1>legacy sequels to classic nineties flicks Twister, Terminator, Jurassic Park, Jumanji.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of like that Richard loved the Wild

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<v Speaker 1>West shows when he was a kid, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>determined and to live out the sequel Western law man

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<v Speaker 1>still shooting. When National Prohibition came to Nebraska town, Marshall

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<v Speaker 1>Richard two gun Heart had his chance.

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<v Speaker 4>Governor recognized the fact that if we're going to have

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<v Speaker 4>prohbition agents, we need people that are fearless, and Richard

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<v Speaker 4>Hart was somebody who fit that to a tee.

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<v Speaker 1>Toting a gun into the hills to face down enemies

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<v Speaker 1>of the law. It was a dream come true for Richard.

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<v Speaker 1>But once he had his prohibition badge pinned to his chest,

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<v Speaker 1>he found he was facing a lot worse than circus clowns.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe was around nineteen twenty, and it was a

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<v Speaker 4>really really bad rain storm.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn mother, and Nature's got it out for this guy, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>In any case, Richard hits the highway with a prisoner

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<v Speaker 1>in tow, a man he had scooped up in a

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<v Speaker 1>recent raid on a moonshine. Still, he's trying to take

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<v Speaker 1>the man to link in, Nebraska, but he.

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<v Speaker 4>Got north and south missed up, so instead of going

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<v Speaker 4>back to take this criminal in, he ended up going

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that towards the South Dkota border.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when he pulled into the little town of Spencer,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard could have you know, realized he went the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>way and turned around. But not our two gun. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like double or nothing, So he started asking around

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<v Speaker 1>for some white mule. The locals, proud of the kick

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<v Speaker 1>in their neighborhood, moonshine knew exactly what he meant and

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<v Speaker 1>helpfully pointed him to the best distillery in town. When

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<v Speaker 1>the owner offered him a drink, Richard arrested him. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he went back and also arrested the guy who gave

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<v Speaker 1>him directions. Maybe a little too thorough for a spur

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<v Speaker 1>of the moment operation, but that's just me, two Gun.

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<v Speaker 1>He was always in for double or nothing. So Richard

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<v Speaker 1>crams all three guys in his car and hauls them

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<v Speaker 1>off to the local jail. But when he gets there.

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<v Speaker 2>Found out that there wouldn't book either of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's because the guy he had just arrested for

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<v Speaker 1>trying to sell him alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one of them a town marshall.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the town marshal of Spencer, the tiny town they're in.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of accepting his arrest, this Spencer Marshall and

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<v Speaker 1>another officer played a little Uno reverse card and put

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<v Speaker 1>Richard under arrest for disturbing the peace. They squared off

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<v Speaker 1>and tried to shout each other down.

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<v Speaker 6>You're under arrest.

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<v Speaker 7>Now you're under arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you, no you no you now you And the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who had the best seat in the house, the

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<v Speaker 1>original prisoner Richard had dragged along for the ride. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>that guy found the entire thing hilarious.

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<v Speaker 4>There's really discouraging for him. It was the pinnacle of

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<v Speaker 4>him understanding how much corruption there was. This is not

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<v Speaker 4>my law, and that was the excuse that a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people used.

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<v Speaker 1>But like Mabel, Richard had decided that prohibition was his law.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in the constitution now, which meant two gun

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<v Speaker 1>was free to have a root and dute in times,

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<v Speaker 1>smacking down all manner of miscreants, scoff laws, and ne'er

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<v Speaker 1>do wells. Just because a flood of Americans had decided

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<v Speaker 1>to break the law was no reason to hold back

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<v Speaker 1>on enforcing it. Richard had beaten floods before. But if

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<v Speaker 1>there was one burr under two guns saddle, it was

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<v Speaker 1>Kathleen's family, his in laws. You see, the Winches owned

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<v Speaker 1>a grocery store, and they also did a little bruin

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<v Speaker 1>on the side, or you know, maybe kind of a lot.

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<v Speaker 8>There were good times, but then there were times when

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<v Speaker 8>the alcohol just kind of took over.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Corey's dad, Jeff, Richard's grandson.

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<v Speaker 8>When one of Kathleen's brother had too much alcohol, it

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<v Speaker 8>was my uncle Harold. He would drink more than he

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<v Speaker 8>should have all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Winches got to drinking, I can just see

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<v Speaker 1>Richard pulling his hat down over his eyes, like, seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>right in front of me. Come on, you're putting me

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<v Speaker 1>on the spot here. I mean, if you're pouring a

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<v Speaker 1>beer under the prohibition agent's nose, that's going to make

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas a little tense. But Richard was doing his best

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<v Speaker 1>to keep some tensil on the Tan and Baum because

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<v Speaker 1>there was one line he didn't cross. He never actually

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<v Speaker 1>arrested the Winches for their home brewing. Always seems weird

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<v Speaker 1>to me when people just roll with so much hypocrisy,

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<v Speaker 1>But then again, it was his in laws, and as

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<v Speaker 1>much as we all want to arrest our in laws,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably better we don't. But Richard justified it to himself.

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<v Speaker 1>And besides, it's not like there was a shortage of

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<v Speaker 1>cases for him to take on. And in nineteen twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>he would take a case that would put Richard in

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<v Speaker 1>over his head.

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<v Speaker 4>If he couldn't use his gun, he would use his

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<v Speaker 4>fist to apprehend these criminals and bootleggers. That was something

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<v Speaker 4>he really d himself with and this instance it went wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It was October of nineteen twenty three. Back in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander Gettler is starting to earn a reputation as a

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<v Speaker 1>forensic sherlock. He's just published a groundbreaking study on the

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<v Speaker 1>deadly solvent Benzene, which, to his horror, he's finding in

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<v Speaker 1>dead bodies in his laboratory at Bellevue, though he's not

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<v Speaker 1>yet sure why. Meanwhile, in d C. Babel, Walker Willebrant

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<v Speaker 1>is just starting to unravel the epic corruption all around

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<v Speaker 1>her at the Department of Justice. And back in the

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<v Speaker 1>Heartland No pun Intended, Richard Hart catches a break too.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets a tip about a bootlegger smuggling liquor onto

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<v Speaker 1>the Winnebago reservation near Homer. He meets with some of

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<v Speaker 1>the Winnebago men who are willing to help him stop

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<v Speaker 1>the flow. Of liquor into their community.

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<v Speaker 4>He selected two of them to go to kind of

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<v Speaker 4>a bootleg operation and try to scorse some alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>The operation kicks off when Richard and his guys get

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<v Speaker 1>the details of a midnight rendezvous between a rum runner

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<v Speaker 1>and his local customers. They're going to intervene. Richard parks

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<v Speaker 1>out of site nearby while his comrades roll into the

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<v Speaker 1>meetup posing his customers.

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<v Speaker 4>The idea was that as soon as able to come out,

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<v Speaker 4>he and another officer that was with him with him

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<v Speaker 4>make the arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>But the liquor crew gets suspicious something's a little off.

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<v Speaker 1>They refuse to sell anything to Richard's accomplices, who come

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<v Speaker 1>back to him empty handed. There's nothing Richard can use

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<v Speaker 1>to make an arrest for someone else. That might be

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it a failed operation, but Richard isn't done.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to nab his bootlegger. He continues to lie

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<v Speaker 1>and wait nearby, and sure enough, a couple of hours later,

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<v Speaker 1>more cars pull up. This time, Richard doesn't try any tricks.

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<v Speaker 1>He decides he's just gonna let the deal go down

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<v Speaker 1>and then scoop up one of the customers to get

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<v Speaker 1>his evidence and the meetup is over. The cluster of

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<v Speaker 1>cars splits up. Richard and his partner give chase, so.

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<v Speaker 2>They're chasing after what they think is the bootlegger.

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<v Speaker 1>Vehicle Richard's partner is driving. He pulls them alongside the

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<v Speaker 1>car they think is hauling liquor, a big, beautiful Buick.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard leans out and tells the bootlegger to pull over,

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<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't, so Richard ups the ante so.

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<v Speaker 4>He's actually out on the railing board telling this bootlegger

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<v Speaker 4>to stop. He went stop so that he started firing

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<v Speaker 4>shots into the air, and then the car that they're

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<v Speaker 4>chasing sped off.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the chase is really on, and the Buick, unlike

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<v Speaker 1>Buick's up today, is fast, like really fast. It starts

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<v Speaker 1>to pull away. Frustrated, Richard stops firing warning shots in

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<v Speaker 1>the air and levels his gun directly at the car.

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<v Speaker 1>He shoots his partner with one hand on the wheel,

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<v Speaker 1>leans out the driver's side window, and starts shooting too.

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<v Speaker 4>In an attempt to try to stop that car by

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<v Speaker 4>trying to take out the tires.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard shoots and hits the Buick. The shot doesn't at

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<v Speaker 1>the tire, it goes through the back window and hits

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<v Speaker 1>the driver.

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<v Speaker 4>He actually shot the driver through the mouth, and so

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<v Speaker 4>when it came to the vehicle and realized, oh, this

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<v Speaker 4>is not the person that they were actually trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Chase, Richard had made a terrible mistake.

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<v Speaker 4>Tried to take that individual to the hospital, but is

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<v Speaker 4>a lethal shot.

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<v Speaker 1>As Richard and his partner learned about the man they

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<v Speaker 1>had killed, they were mortified. Not only was he not

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<v Speaker 1>the bootlegger they were hunting, he didn't have any liquor

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<v Speaker 1>on him at all. Sure, he was there probably to

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<v Speaker 1>buy a drink, but there was no actual evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>he was taking part in a crime.

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<v Speaker 2>And then then found out that this was also World

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<v Speaker 2>War One veteran, was married, had a child that was

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<v Speaker 2>very young, it's less than a year old, and was

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<v Speaker 2>a hero to the community for being that World War

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<v Speaker 2>One veteran was very well liked.

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<v Speaker 1>And that led to something new for Richard because in

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<v Speaker 1>the man's hometown, Sioux City, Iowa, there was a righteous

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<v Speaker 1>uproar against Richard.

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<v Speaker 4>He had to have a court appearance because they were

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<v Speaker 4>charging him with manslaughter.

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<v Speaker 1>Led by the murdered man's grieving widow, a crowd of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands gathered in downtown Sioux City in protest. Some in

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd were even muttering that they should kill Richard

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<v Speaker 1>in return.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he was under a lot of heat, so

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<v Speaker 2>he had to lay.

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<v Speaker 1>Low, and that cleared the scene for another batch of

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<v Speaker 1>foot soldiers, even more willing to enforce prohibition, not with handcuffs,

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<v Speaker 1>but with hand guns. Remember it was no secret at

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<v Speaker 1>this point that the prohibition enforcement effort was a complete debacle.

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<v Speaker 1>In Washington, Mabel was burning with white hot rage. The

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<v Speaker 1>gall of George remas the king of bootleggers, doing time

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<v Speaker 1>for tax evasion by playing poker with his pals and

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<v Speaker 1>dining on Filet Mignon on Millionaire's row. The treachery of

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<v Speaker 1>that slime ball Jess Smith, Mabel's DOJ officemate, whose pockets

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<v Speaker 1>were lined by the country's biggest bootleggers. They were proof

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<v Speaker 1>that playing by the rules got you nowhere. The dry

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<v Speaker 1>warriors in Mabel's DOJ and the prohibition agents and the

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<v Speaker 1>treasury came to a startling conclusion, due process not working,

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<v Speaker 1>They're done with it. In order to uphold the prohibition laws,

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<v Speaker 1>they were ready to dispense with all the other pesky laws,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they saddled up with the Ku Klux Klan.

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<v Speaker 1>Mobile Alabama, one of the South's oldest port cities, where

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<v Speaker 1>the Gulf of Mexico lapsed gently at white sand beaches

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<v Speaker 1>and the spinach stip comes with crawfish. We'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>the Klan in a minute, but before we do, you

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<v Speaker 1>got to understand that as a gateway to the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenty three, Mobile was home to a whole

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<v Speaker 1>economy of rum runners and bootleggers. And you know who

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<v Speaker 1>hated that, Good old Mabel Walker Willebrandt. She was determined

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<v Speaker 1>to cast a net into those waters and drag them out,

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<v Speaker 1>gasping and flopping. But she had a problem. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>her man on the ground was supposed to be the

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<v Speaker 1>US Attorney, a federal government lawyer who could lead the charge,

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<v Speaker 1>to organize the prosecution, get the legal ducks in a row,

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<v Speaker 1>you know all that stuff. But the US Attorney in

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama was in way over his head. After a good run,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking one hundred and seventeen indictments against big

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<v Speaker 1>timers and Mobile, the liquor cabal flipped the script and

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<v Speaker 1>rested him. That uno reverse card really does come in

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<v Speaker 1>handy sometimes, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Local tas.

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<v Speaker 9>Local judges didn't want to prosecute prohibition cases.

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<v Speaker 1>That's historian Tom Pegram.

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<v Speaker 9>Their local communities weren't in favor of them. Juries would

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<v Speaker 9>turn people loose or there would be like very small fines.

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<v Speaker 1>And in nineteen twenty three, when Mabel wanted to sweep

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<v Speaker 1>the liquor out of Alabama, this was exactly what she faced.

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<v Speaker 1>So she set up what she called a flying squad.

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<v Speaker 1>She put together a handpicked crew of officers and lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington who could travel south and leave the corrupt

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<v Speaker 1>local officials out of the legal proceedings. All on their own.

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<v Speaker 1>They would plan a raid, scoop up the purpse, collect

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence, and slam the wets into jail cells.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where the clan comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually the clan, those fucking guys seriously well yeah, See

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<v Speaker 1>In the fall of nineteen twenty, while Richard Hard was

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<v Speaker 1>shooting at fleeing cars, Mabel was picking the new head

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<v Speaker 1>coach for her liquor busting team in Alabama. She needed

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<v Speaker 1>someone beyond the reach of the mobile good old boys network,

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<v Speaker 1>and she landed on a lawyer named Hugo Black. Hugo

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<v Speaker 1>made his bones as a defense lawyer for the Ku

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<v Speaker 1>Klux Klan. One klansman, a Methodist minister had gunned down

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<v Speaker 1>a Catholic priest. Hugo Black argued it was done in

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<v Speaker 1>self defense, since the two men had scuffled the day before.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did Mabel take from all this? Well, in

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<v Speaker 1>the War of the Wets against the Dryes, the Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>communities generally held onto their drinking traditions. They were wets

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<v Speaker 1>in classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend logic.

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<v Speaker 1>Hugo was on her side, and the Klan, well, they

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<v Speaker 1>were only too eager to help.

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<v Speaker 9>The Klan started to say, hey, you know, we'll help

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<v Speaker 9>with investigations. And even though a lot of clan drank,

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<v Speaker 9>the argument was, once it's in the Constitution, it has

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<v Speaker 9>to be enforced, and if it's not enforced, that destabilizes

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<v Speaker 9>American democracy. And then guess what, who are the most

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<v Speaker 9>likely violators of prohibition? All the groups we already don't like?

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<v Speaker 1>Who did the clan target pretty much anyone who wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>white and Protestant, anyone who wasn't already cut in the

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<v Speaker 1>mold of the Women's Christian Temperance Union. We're talking immigrants,

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<v Speaker 1>Black Americans, Jews, Catholics, everyone the Dry movement was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to squeeze. The Klan was like, hey, you're giving us

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<v Speaker 1>an excuse to just beat up all the people we

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<v Speaker 1>don't like.

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<v Speaker 4>Right on.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Mabel sees a lawyer ready to dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the culture war by stretching the meaning of self defense

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<v Speaker 1>to an unbelievable breaking point, all to defend murderous clansmen,

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<v Speaker 1>she sees the kind of conviction she's been looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>One reporter asked her how she justified working with the Klan,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mabel.

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<v Speaker 10>Said, I have no objection to people dressing up in

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<v Speaker 10>sheets if they enjoyed that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is crazy, right. I mean, yeah, Mabel's been

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<v Speaker 1>the Ice Queen and all that, but there's a difference

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<v Speaker 1>between cold and cutthroat. There's a difference between coordinating with

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<v Speaker 1>the Coastguard to stop rum runners and teaming up with

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<v Speaker 1>the nation's most powerful cabal of racist murderers. Mabel was

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of her rope. She decided she was

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<v Speaker 1>ready and willing to cross that line. Since Mabel recruited

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<v Speaker 1>actual official prosecutors from the KKK, well, it sent a

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<v Speaker 1>signal to the clan across the nation. So clan members

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<v Speaker 1>from Illinois made a trip to the Treasury offices in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>and they found the doors wide open to them. They

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<v Speaker 1>told the Treasury officials that they had plenty of foot

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers ready and willing to rain hell on bootleggers back

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<v Speaker 1>at home. The Prohibition Commissioner liked the offer, sent a

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<v Speaker 1>few of his division chiefs and gave them the order

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<v Speaker 1>deputized the clansmen and unleash them on southern Illinois. And

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<v Speaker 1>that brings us to two Gun. No, not Richard Hart,

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<v Speaker 1>there was actually a different guy with that nickname too,

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<v Speaker 1>Two Gun Glenn Young another two gun in the nineteen twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>What can I say? This is America. There's at least

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<v Speaker 1>two guns for every guy that wants them. Here's where

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<v Speaker 1>both two guns line up. By nineteen twenty three, two

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<v Speaker 1>Gun Glen Young had already been on trial for murdering

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<v Speaker 1>bootleggers across southern Illinois. In fact, he added mankiller to

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<v Speaker 1>his nickname. So in nineteen twenty three, the Klan in

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<v Speaker 1>southern Illinois asked guys like two Gun Man Killer to

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<v Speaker 1>come on down to the city of Heron and crush

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<v Speaker 1>a pesky problem for them. Immigrant Italian mine workers had

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<v Speaker 1>been fighting with the mine company that ran the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Those fights had gotten bloody, workers had already been killed,

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<v Speaker 1>so the clan figure that putting a couple more guns

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<v Speaker 1>to work was exactly what they needed. So in December

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen twenty three, over five hundred Clan raiders deputized

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<v Speaker 1>as prohibition agents, swept down through the Italian immigrant homes.

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<v Speaker 1>But what they did was the opposite of law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>It was straight up terrorism. One Italian recalled the scene

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<v Speaker 1>when a gang of armed clansmen broke into his home.

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<v Speaker 1>They smashed up his kitchen. They even drank his wine,

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<v Speaker 1>mocking him before they dragged him to jail. After two

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<v Speaker 1>major raids by the clan, now turned into federal agents,

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<v Speaker 1>two gunman Killer took up residents as the de facto

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<v Speaker 1>military dictator of the county. The violence continued home invasions, beatings, shootings,

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<v Speaker 1>kidnapped locals were paraded downtown by Clan gunmen. But if

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<v Speaker 1>they thought this was going to win support for their cause,

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<v Speaker 1>they miscalculated badly. The blood they spilled it shocked the public.

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<v Speaker 1>Klan took over the city.

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<v Speaker 7>Drys and Wets Clan and anti clan contending forces ironhel

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<v Speaker 7>Glen Young continues as acting chief of police.

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<v Speaker 1>As the violence escalated, the clan mounted machine guns on

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<v Speaker 1>downtown buildings. Attacks and hospitals left the walls riddled with

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<v Speaker 1>bullet holes. Desperate cries went out for the army and

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<v Speaker 1>the National Guard to step in and stop the violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Military forces swept in to take control. Papers across the nation,

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<v Speaker 1>from Fresno to Baltimore carried stories of the fighting.

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<v Speaker 7>Guardsman patrol streets, Glen Young Clan Dry Raider held after

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<v Speaker 7>fight last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Dry Agent under arrest.

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<v Speaker 7>Raids and Illinois result in charges of assault against Young.

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<v Speaker 1>The blood spilled by two gun Man killer Glen Young

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<v Speaker 1>and others like him stained the Dry cause. Many prohibition

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<v Speaker 1>supporters didn't think it had to come at such a

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<v Speaker 1>violent price. Supporters of the law started to waver, if

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<v Speaker 1>this is what it took to enforce prohibition, was it

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<v Speaker 1>really worth it? But the most hardcore Dries, well, they

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<v Speaker 1>thought the fight hadn't gone far enough, and they made

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<v Speaker 1>that clear in their defense of Richard two gun Heart.

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<v Speaker 1>The violence in Illinois shocked the nation, but in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of that, Richard two gun Heart still had allies.

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<v Speaker 4>Surprisingly with the entire community against him and him fearing

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<v Speaker 4>for his life. It was the Women's Christian Temperance Union

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<v Speaker 4>came to his defense and so they were able to

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<v Speaker 4>pay for two Dunhart's attorney to give him an attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>This lawyer hired by the WCTU wasn't just going to

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<v Speaker 1>defend Richard in the court of law. He was also

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<v Speaker 1>going to defend him in the court of public opinion.

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<v Speaker 7>This is not a question of the guilt or innocence

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<v Speaker 7>of heart. It is an issue of the enforcement of

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<v Speaker 7>the law. Enforcement officers are too timid. Now if an

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<v Speaker 7>enforcement officer is convicted of such a charge, it will

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<v Speaker 7>make bootleggers secure.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to spend a minute here, because this is key.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy, the defense lawyer for Richard Hart, is saying

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<v Speaker 1>that whether or not Richard shot this guy doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>matter because in his view, that's what it takes to

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<v Speaker 1>enforce the law. He's saying prohibition officers should not get

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble for gunning down suspects. But that's not all.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also saying that it's a damn shame. Most officers

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<v Speaker 1>are too scared to do what Richard had done. Think

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<v Speaker 1>about it. He's saying this in the context of everything

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about. Violence was already rampant. Prohibition agents had

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<v Speaker 1>been killing people for years, and that's what he's saying

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<v Speaker 1>was too timid. I mean, holy shit. And remember it

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<v Speaker 1>was the Women's Christian Temperance Union who paid for this

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer to defend Richard with this argument. In fact, throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenties, the WCTU had made it clear they

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<v Speaker 1>were pretty much okay with violence against bootleggers. In their

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<v Speaker 1>way of thinking, the only way to hold back the

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<v Speaker 1>tide of liquor flooding the country was to unleash a

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<v Speaker 1>hail of bullets to them. Richard Hart's guns weren't only justified,

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<v Speaker 1>they were sanctified.

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<v Speaker 4>Saying that by putting him, by putting a prohibition agent

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<v Speaker 4>Touguenhart on trout or manslaughter, it's making him a martyr

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<v Speaker 4>of probition.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was one person in this moment who was wavering.

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<v Speaker 1>You might be surprised to hear it was Mabel Walker Willebrandt.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted prohibition enforced, and in principle she was okay

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<v Speaker 1>with the violent tactics. I mean, heck, she was running

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<v Speaker 1>cover in the papers as the Klan did the dirty work,

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<v Speaker 1>but as the f of prohibition, she could tell the

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<v Speaker 1>bad press was undermining her cause. She welcomed citizen vigilantes

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<v Speaker 1>taking up arms on behalf of prohibition, but from the

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<v Speaker 1>nerve center in the Department of Justice, she could see

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<v Speaker 1>how crowds across the country were growing more and more

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<v Speaker 1>angry with the bloodshed. Mabel launched an inquiry into the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>From the beginning, she had fought.

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<v Speaker 4>For these fearless, high integrity men that were willing to

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<v Speaker 4>do this very dangerous job that the majority of the

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<v Speaker 4>US were not in favor of.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Mabel realized how badly it was backfiring to

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<v Speaker 1>have cowboys and clan cops shooting their way through liquor busts,

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<v Speaker 1>she and the Women's Christian Temperance Union parted ways. The

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<v Speaker 1>WCTU had been powerful in previous years, but they won

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<v Speaker 1>their battles by getting into the papers. To Mabel's eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was bad press, I imagine that made her, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty annoyed. Prohibitions already unpopular now a backlash against too

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<v Speaker 1>much violence was only going to make her job harder,

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<v Speaker 1>so she tried to get out ahead of it.

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<v Speaker 10>I condemn as atrocious, wholly unwarranted, and entirely unnecessary some

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<v Speaker 10>of the killing by prohibition agents.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you catch that? She said? She condemns some of

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<v Speaker 1>the killings. Some that is so telling to me. How

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<v Speaker 1>about all the killing, Mabel? Does killing someone for bootlegging

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<v Speaker 1>really feel like a punishment that fits the crime? And

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<v Speaker 1>what about that old right to trial by jury? What

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<v Speaker 1>about innocent until proven guilty? What about you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the law. Well, none of that was what

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<v Speaker 1>Mabel was worried about. Nope, She's only worried about some

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<v Speaker 1>of the killings, apparently, just the ones that lead to

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<v Speaker 1>bad press. Like Richard Harts. She wrote directly to the

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<v Speaker 1>US attorney handling his case, calling Richard.

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<v Speaker 10>Guilty of carelessness and indifference to consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that really did strike him.

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<v Speaker 4>Here was something that he was proud of, being two gun,

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<v Speaker 4>always getting a man, using tough guy ways to get.

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<v Speaker 1>A Before Richard stood trial, the Coroner's jury of Nebraska

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<v Speaker 1>decided not to pursue the manslaughter case against him. But

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<v Speaker 1>the damage to the dry Cause was done by Richard

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<v Speaker 1>and by other reckless, violent or downright vicious enforcers. If

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<v Speaker 1>the judge was lenient in Richard's case, Mabel was more harsh.

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<v Speaker 4>He was forcing payback essentially his salary for that crime,

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<v Speaker 4>and saying that he was careless and reckless in his behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Car chases, gunfights, massacres. It was time for the circus

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<v Speaker 1>to end. If prohibition was going to win, killing bootleggers

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<v Speaker 1>in the open where the blood was practically splattering on bystanders,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of worked against the cause. Mabel needed to shut

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<v Speaker 1>that down. Enforcing prohibition with arrests and court cases that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't enough. Enforcing prohibition with guns in the stre oh

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<v Speaker 1>that was backfiring. The Ice Queen needed something different, something

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<v Speaker 1>that would scare the bootleggers and speakeasy drinkers so bad

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<v Speaker 1>they would stop on their own. All the better if

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<v Speaker 1>this could all be done quietly, which brings us back

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, out of the public eye where lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>like Mabel were arguing over murder, Back into James Durand's lab,

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<v Speaker 1>back to chemistry. Because deep in the bowels of the

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<v Speaker 1>Treasury Department, the prohibition enforcers, led by Duran were also

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<v Speaker 1>taking aim at drinkers. It was in their beakers and

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<v Speaker 1>test tubes that the next assault on Americans began to

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<v Speaker 1>take shape. That's next time on SNAFU, and.

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<v Speaker 6>He writes this letter where he talks about how the

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<v Speaker 6>poison is settled in his legs and he can't get

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<v Speaker 6>up without falling over. His signature is just so scratsheet.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean you can tell that he's shaking.

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<v Speaker 1>willa Brandt was played by Kerrie Bische. Special thanks to

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