1
00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,640
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. They Memphis live stream shooter

2
00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,759
Speaker 1: holds the entire city and a grip of fear, gutting

3
00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:27,160
Speaker 1: down one victim after the next at random the entire time,

4
00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,920
Speaker 1: live streaming his murder rampage. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

5
00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,360
Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

6
00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,320
Speaker 1: Fox Station in series M one eleven. First of all,

7
00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,960
Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at w r EG.

8
00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,760
Speaker 1: Police were on the lookout for a gunman who just

9
00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,600
Speaker 1: appeared to be traveling across the city in a car,

10
00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,920
Speaker 1: randomly shooting people and occasionally stopping to change that car

11
00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,480
Speaker 1: for another vehicle, carjack someone, shoot them, and then move

12
00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,480
Speaker 1: on their way. They started off in Frasier at an

13
00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,680
Speaker 1: auto zone where we saw this suspect onbook live calmly

14
00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,119
Speaker 1: walk into that AutoZone, raised his revolver and then shoot

15
00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,759
Speaker 1: someone who he encountered as he first walked in. Then

16
00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,160
Speaker 1: he apparently got into that vehicle. Police believe he went

17
00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,600
Speaker 1: to I two forty at the Millennium Market where he

18
00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,400
Speaker 1: apparently shot someone just at the gas pumps, someone who

19
00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,840
Speaker 1: is just there to get gasoline. So someone who had

20
00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,520
Speaker 1: just walked into the autoparts store for autoparts at AutoZone.

21
00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,399
Speaker 1: Now someone's just getting gas. And then a random woman

22
00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,759
Speaker 1: apparently who he saw on two forty sheets in the hospital,

23
00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,039
Speaker 1: we're told in critical condition. And then he needed a

24
00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,280
Speaker 1: new vehicle. So he decides to carjack someone at Poplar

25
00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,240
Speaker 1: and Evergreen, shoots that person who's live and their family's

26
00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,520
Speaker 1: life has forever changed. Makes his way perhaps into South Haven,

27
00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,160
Speaker 1: where he carjacked someone at a raceway. That's how it

28
00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,840
Speaker 1: all starts. What we know right now, seven people have

29
00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,920
Speaker 1: been shot. Take a listen to police director of Cyril

30
00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,200
Speaker 1: and C. J. Davis. Listen. On September seventh, twenty twenty two,

31
00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,000
Speaker 1: at twelve fifty six am, officers responded to his shooting

32
00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,040
Speaker 1: in the thirty one hundred block of Lyndale Avenue. Officers

33
00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,120
Speaker 1: located a male victim in the driveway. The mail was

34
00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,160
Speaker 1: pronounced deceased on the scene. The homicide suspect was known

35
00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:21,120
Speaker 1: as Zeke Huncho. He was later identified as Ezekiel Kelly,

36
00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,720
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. At four thirty eight pm, officers responded

37
00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,720
Speaker 1: to his shooting in the nine hundred block of South

38
00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,200
Speaker 1: Parkway East. Officers located a male victim and his vehicle

39
00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,119
Speaker 1: with multiple gunshot wounds. He was pronounced deceased on the scene.

40
00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,760
Speaker 1: Video surveillance at the business revealed a blackmail pulled up

41
00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,440
Speaker 1: next to the victim in a gray Sedan. The suspect

42
00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,839
Speaker 1: fired multiple shots and fled south on College Street. At

43
00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,680
Speaker 1: four forty pm, officers responded to a shooting at Norris

44
00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,400
Speaker 1: Road and Interstate to forty. Officers located a female victim

45
00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,040
Speaker 1: with a un shot wound. The suspect fled in a

46
00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:08,080
Speaker 1: dark color sedan eastbound on Norse Road. We are read

47
00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,120
Speaker 1: the very latest on the as he's being called the

48
00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,920
Speaker 1: live stream killer out of Memphis joining me an all

49
00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,600
Speaker 1: star pala But first I wanted to go to special

50
00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,280
Speaker 1: guests joining us Jonathan Sire, Fox Music correspondent. You find

51
00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,200
Speaker 1: him at Twitter at Jonathan Sire. Jonathan, thank you for

52
00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,519
Speaker 1: being with us. How did the whole thing start? Well,

53
00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:31,560
Speaker 1: it started early Wednesday morning, around one am. They found

54
00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,600
Speaker 1: the body of a twenty four year old man. He

55
00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,480
Speaker 1: had been shot and killed and in his driveway. And

56
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,119
Speaker 1: at the time police just assumed this was an isolated incident,

57
00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,560
Speaker 1: a singular homicide. Ye, Jonathan, you said, the first victim

58
00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,680
Speaker 1: that we know of was shot in his driveway, correct, correct, Yeah, okay,

59
00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,360
Speaker 1: go ahead, and so police thought that this was an

60
00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,960
Speaker 1: isolated incident. Things were relatively quiet until you had all

61
00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,240
Speaker 1: of those other shootings unfold in the late afternoon. And

62
00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,120
Speaker 1: it was that live stream where the gunmen went into

63
00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,120
Speaker 1: the auto zone that some concerned viewers watching that live

64
00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,760
Speaker 1: stream called police and they were able to link the

65
00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,560
Speaker 1: man in that video to the suspect that they had

66
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,160
Speaker 1: in the original shooting. And that's when police thought to themselves,

67
00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,960
Speaker 1: we got a serial killer. Hey, Jonathan, Siria, I'm really curious.

68
00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,560
Speaker 1: So the first shooting was in the am, correct, it was?

69
00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,840
Speaker 1: It was around one am Wednesday morning, one am? And

70
00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,040
Speaker 1: that is a guy in his driveway? What part of town?

71
00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,240
Speaker 1: All of these shootings took place in different parts of

72
00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,920
Speaker 1: the city. That's all I needed to know right there, Jonathan.

73
00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,920
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out if the shootings are

74
00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,039
Speaker 1: isolated to one area, but this guy is in a

75
00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,560
Speaker 1: vehicle going everywhere. Yeah, they took place all over Just

76
00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,520
Speaker 1: like police believed his victims were randomly selected, it appears

77
00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,880
Speaker 1: where they occurred were all over town, and so people

78
00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,480
Speaker 1: were terrifying. Okay, hold on Jonathan's Sirie, This is reminding

79
00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,120
Speaker 1: me so much of the DC sniper. At that time,

80
00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,000
Speaker 1: I was living in New York and going back and

81
00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,839
Speaker 1: forth to DC working with Larry King. And every time

82
00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,440
Speaker 1: I got off the airplane and stepped out at the

83
00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,320
Speaker 1: airport to grab a cab to get down to Larry

84
00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,320
Speaker 1: King's studios and then get back out of the cab,

85
00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,760
Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know who's next? Is it me?

86
00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,279
Speaker 1: Isn't the cab driver? Because the victims were at random,

87
00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,359
Speaker 1: the locations were at random, you had no idea what

88
00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,640
Speaker 1: was going to happen next. So you got the guy

89
00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,880
Speaker 1: in the driveway around one am. And I was thinking

90
00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,400
Speaker 1: about this guy in an auto zone. And the reason

91
00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about him, Jonathan Sirie Jonathan joining I saw

92
00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,520
Speaker 1: a Fox Needs correspondent. The reason I'm thinking about the

93
00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,160
Speaker 1: auto zone guy is because it's so drastically different m

94
00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,280
Speaker 1: MOS operandi messive operation wise than shooting somebody in their

95
00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,159
Speaker 1: driveway or a drive by shooting. He actually doesn't he

96
00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,440
Speaker 1: get out of the car, And how does the AutoZone

97
00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,040
Speaker 1: shooting go down? So he's streaming on Facebook live making

98
00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,840
Speaker 1: all of these angry comments and you see him just

99
00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,080
Speaker 1: walking up. It's like a point of view. Sometimes you

100
00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,920
Speaker 1: see his face, sometimes you see his point of view.

101
00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,679
Speaker 1: He opens the door, lifts his handgun, and you see

102
00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,440
Speaker 1: a man with a frightened look on his face and

103
00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,839
Speaker 1: in the differ and he opens fire, and you hear

104
00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,080
Speaker 1: the gunshots, and this man was critically injured. I'm just

105
00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,360
Speaker 1: thinking about a guy. My nephew put himself through college

106
00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,280
Speaker 1: the whole year, four years working at autozonn all kind

107
00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,880
Speaker 1: of crazy morning, late nine hours, doing anything they asked

108
00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,080
Speaker 1: him to do. And here's the guy just minding his

109
00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,480
Speaker 1: own business working at AutoZone, and in comes the live

110
00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,120
Speaker 1: stream Memphis Killer. Guys, take a listen again to the

111
00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,560
Speaker 1: police director C. J. Davis Our cut five At five

112
00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,640
Speaker 1: fifty nine officers responded to his shooting in the four

113
00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,760
Speaker 1: thousand block of Jackson Avenue. Ezekiel Kelly was on Facebook

114
00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,840
Speaker 1: live when he opened fire inside the store. Officers located

115
00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,160
Speaker 1: a mill with a gunshot woman. He was transported to

116
00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,360
Speaker 1: the hospital in critical condition. At six to twelve pm,

117
00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:27,960
Speaker 1: we received information from a concerned citizen that suspect was

118
00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:33,480
Speaker 1: on Zeke Huncho's Facebook live, stating that he was threatening

119
00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,440
Speaker 1: to cause harm to citizens. At this time. The Memphis

120
00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,120
Speaker 1: Police Department launched a citywide search for the assailant and

121
00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,080
Speaker 1: they are blasting it out on social media as well

122
00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,440
Speaker 1: the entire city and a grip of fear with a

123
00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:54,640
Speaker 1: random shooter gunning people down and live streaming it as

124
00:07:54,720 --> 00:08:00,000
Speaker 1: it happens. We go from North Street and Jackson Avenue

125
00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,600
Speaker 1: to Poplar Avenue and North Evergreen. There in MeVis take

126
00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,520
Speaker 1: a lesson. At seven twenty three PM, officers responded to

127
00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,240
Speaker 1: a shooting at Popular Avenue in North Evergreen. A female

128
00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,360
Speaker 1: who had been shot was located on the scene. The

129
00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,680
Speaker 1: suspect took the victim's vehicle, a Great SUV, and fled

130
00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,480
Speaker 1: the scene. At seven twenty four, officers responded to a

131
00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,600
Speaker 1: shooting at Popular Avenue in North McLean Boulevard. A male

132
00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,000
Speaker 1: victim who had been shot was located and transported to

133
00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,880
Speaker 1: the hospital non critical. At eight fifty five PM, officers

134
00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,079
Speaker 1: responded to the eight hundred block of West Rains regarding

135
00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,760
Speaker 1: a shooting. Officers located one female victim on the scene

136
00:08:46,760 --> 00:09:02,280
Speaker 1: with gunshot wounds. She was pronounced deceased on the scene.

137
00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,160
Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace to doctor Angela Arnold, renowned

138
00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,240
Speaker 1: psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela

139
00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,520
Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie, this is your town, Memphis.

140
00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,800
Speaker 1: Where are these places? What the hey is going on

141
00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,280
Speaker 1: in Memphis? Well, I'll tell you I don't know, Nancy.

142
00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,440
Speaker 1: My husband and I've been talking about this all morning.

143
00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,559
Speaker 1: I will tell you that between Frasier is not close

144
00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:35,440
Speaker 1: to Poplar and McLean. Okay, Frasier is like an outlier

145
00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,920
Speaker 1: in Memphis. It's it's it's sort of what you would

146
00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,920
Speaker 1: consider a suburb, and then Poplar and McLean gets you

147
00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:47,160
Speaker 1: closer to the to the insight, to like midtown Memphis. Okay,

148
00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,680
Speaker 1: so this guy was traveling around. That's what I wanted

149
00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,520
Speaker 1: to hear. That's what I wanted to hear. So none

150
00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,360
Speaker 1: of these victims, it seems like, are connected in anyway.

151
00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,520
Speaker 1: Back to Jonathan Seri, Fox Music correspondent joining us, the

152
00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,600
Speaker 1: victim don't know each other. We don't think they're connected

153
00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,120
Speaker 1: to the shooter. And they're all over Memphis, including out

154
00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,040
Speaker 1: in the suburbs. Is that correct, Jonathan Syria, That's correct.

155
00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,280
Speaker 1: They were all over and that's why police put out

156
00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,520
Speaker 1: that alert telling people to stay in their homes and

157
00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,520
Speaker 1: if they were already out to shelter in place, and

158
00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,120
Speaker 1: people were frightened in the Midtown restaurant district, people eating

159
00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,680
Speaker 1: on outdoor patios. The restaurant staff, Oh yeah, I'd leave

160
00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,559
Speaker 1: that cheeseburg you're on the plate and get the hay

161
00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,199
Speaker 1: out in there. Jonathan Syria would exactly. Hey, Daryl Cohen

162
00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,960
Speaker 1: joining me, high profile lawyer in the Atlanta jurisdiction, former

163
00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,200
Speaker 1: prosecutor Daryl Cohen. The last time I recall this happening

164
00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,320
Speaker 1: was when the Fulton County courthouse shooter escaped and the

165
00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,719
Speaker 1: APD were blasting it. Everybody go in, everybody get off

166
00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,520
Speaker 1: the street. This guy is out. And as it turned out,

167
00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,240
Speaker 1: at the time they were blasting, who's about three blocks

168
00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,960
Speaker 1: away from where I was. I had just flown down

169
00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,840
Speaker 1: from New York at that time, and this guy was

170
00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,680
Speaker 1: wandering around, took a woman hostage. Do you remember that,

171
00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,400
Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen? I remember when he took the hostage. I

172
00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,360
Speaker 1: remember when he killed the customs officer in the Tony

173
00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,640
Speaker 1: part of Atlanta. I remember a judge, my court reporter

174
00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,160
Speaker 1: and my judge, Roland Barnes, and many others. Yeah, and

175
00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,719
Speaker 1: I remember it well. That is so scary when it

176
00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,679
Speaker 1: goes out a social media radio, TV, get inside and

177
00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,960
Speaker 1: state in psy because the cops can't figure out any pattern,

178
00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,440
Speaker 1: any methodology of what the live stream Memphis killer is doing.

179
00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,600
Speaker 1: Take a listen out to Joe Brian ABC. Nineteen year

180
00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,600
Speaker 1: old Ezekiel Kelly is accused of driving around the city,

181
00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,280
Speaker 1: shooting and killing four people, wounding three others, all while

182
00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,200
Speaker 1: streaming the violence on Facebook Live. In a Facebook video

183
00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,560
Speaker 1: that's now been removed, the suspect was reportedly seen walking

184
00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,480
Speaker 1: into an autoparts store and opening fire. Police saying the

185
00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,800
Speaker 1: spree lasted more than two two hours, spanning eight different

186
00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,559
Speaker 1: crime scenes. Please say. Kelly later stool a car at gunpoint.

187
00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,160
Speaker 1: The massive manhunt paralyzing Memphis into the evening, Residents urged

188
00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,160
Speaker 1: to stay home. Bus service was suspended, and a minor

189
00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,000
Speaker 1: league baseball game placed on lockdown. Please say. This all

190
00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,000
Speaker 1: began around one am Wednesday, where Kelly is accused of

191
00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,040
Speaker 1: shooting and killing a man in the driveway of a home.

192
00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,760
Speaker 1: Straight back out to Jonathan Sirie joining us on the

193
00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,640
Speaker 1: same Fox News correspondent Jonathan Sirie, So they don't know

194
00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,160
Speaker 1: how to connect him to any victims. They don't know

195
00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,320
Speaker 1: where he's going next, but I understand from what you're

196
00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,160
Speaker 1: telling me, at least one of the shootings was to

197
00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,600
Speaker 1: get a new car and keep going. Yeah, one of

198
00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,040
Speaker 1: the shootings was to was part of a carjacking, and

199
00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,760
Speaker 1: then there was another separate carjacking where the victim was

200
00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:54,400
Speaker 1: not injured. So at least two separate carjacking incidents as

201
00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,600
Speaker 1: he tried to elude authorities. I'll never forget the first

202
00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,439
Speaker 1: carjack martyr case I tried. I went to the scene

203
00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,680
Speaker 1: and it was a teen. It's almost to man, he's

204
00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:08,000
Speaker 1: like nineteen years old, lying dead in the driveway, and

205
00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,040
Speaker 1: neighboroo come over and put a pillow under his head

206
00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,320
Speaker 1: as he was dying for his car. And I remember

207
00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,640
Speaker 1: standing there thinking he's dead over a car. But this guy,

208
00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,319
Speaker 1: Jonathan Sirie, was shooting not to get the cars. That

209
00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,600
Speaker 1: was not his purpose at all. I think although the

210
00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,719
Speaker 1: state doesn't need to prove a motive, I think it's

211
00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,880
Speaker 1: got something to do with live streaming it. It seemed

212
00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,920
Speaker 1: like he was taking salacious pleasure in this based on

213
00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,880
Speaker 1: that live stream, and other than that one fatal car jacking,

214
00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,280
Speaker 1: there really did not appear to be any fest motive

215
00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,400
Speaker 1: or any logical reason that he would shoot any of

216
00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,400
Speaker 1: these people, even for a criminal reason. What were the

217
00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,080
Speaker 1: victims doing at the time they were shot, Jonathan Sirie.

218
00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,600
Speaker 1: It runs the gamut. They were everyday people doing everyday things.

219
00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,840
Speaker 1: That one and in the autoparts store, a woman at

220
00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,720
Speaker 1: a gas station, a man in his driveway. From what

221
00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,600
Speaker 1: police are saying, it appears that they were just going

222
00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,000
Speaker 1: about their daily lives like it were any other day

223
00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,880
Speaker 1: until their lives were suddenly cut short cruelly. You know,

224
00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,600
Speaker 1: Jonathan Sarah, Just your words to me, just your words

225
00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,720
Speaker 1: are scary. They're true. It's not like you're in a

226
00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,040
Speaker 1: high crime area. It's not like you're doing anything nefarius,

227
00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,200
Speaker 1: like buying dope or shooting up in your car outside

228
00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,640
Speaker 1: a you know, a street dope seller spot. I mean,

229
00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,360
Speaker 1: these people were just having their regular life when out

230
00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:47,760
Speaker 1: of the blue, along comes Ezekiel Kelly may he rot

231
00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,480
Speaker 1: in Hell. And there was no warning to these people.

232
00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,960
Speaker 1: A lot of this was happening before the police were

233
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,680
Speaker 1: connecting the crimes, Jonathan, and they didn't realize the same

234
00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,440
Speaker 1: person was going all over Memphis gunning down innocent people.

235
00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,800
Speaker 1: So they couldn't even sound the alarm at the get go, Yeah, exactly.

236
00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,520
Speaker 1: And then when you had that rash of shootings in

237
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,800
Speaker 1: the late afternoon, everyone in Memphis is asking themselves, are

238
00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,480
Speaker 1: just people going crazy? Are multiple shooters running loose on

239
00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,000
Speaker 1: the city? And then police tied it to this one gunman.

240
00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,680
Speaker 1: And understand, Nancy, that this city had already been on

241
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,800
Speaker 1: edge because of the murder of Eliza Fletcher, the beloved

242
00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,360
Speaker 1: teacher and mother who was out jogging during the pre

243
00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,480
Speaker 1: dawn hours on Friday, minding her business, doing her regular routine,

244
00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,480
Speaker 1: when suddenly this man drives up in an suv, forces

245
00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,720
Speaker 1: her in it, and eventually murders her. And they did

246
00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,920
Speaker 1: make an arrest in that he saying, just as it

247
00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,560
Speaker 1: seemed that the city was tying the ends on this tragic,

248
00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,720
Speaker 1: tragic murder, suddenly not just one other murder, but multiple

249
00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,280
Speaker 1: murders going on in this city. You know, Johnathan See,

250
00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm so glad of your phraseology. I'm glad you put

251
00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,840
Speaker 1: it that way, because if I hear one more person say,

252
00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,800
Speaker 1: why was Eliza Fletcher out jogging at four o'clock in

253
00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,080
Speaker 1: the morning, I'm gonna chew a nail and a half.

254
00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,160
Speaker 1: You know what, I get up very often at four

255
00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,160
Speaker 1: thirty quarter to five, to get so much done before

256
00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,560
Speaker 1: I take the children to school, before I get into

257
00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,600
Speaker 1: the studio. It's the only way to do it. So

258
00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,320
Speaker 1: it's somehow her fault she's out jogging at four o'clock

259
00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,800
Speaker 1: in the morning. It's not why shouldn't she and these

260
00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,040
Speaker 1: people as well. I mean, you know why I think

261
00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,000
Speaker 1: people do that, Jonathan, And of course I'm not as shrink.

262
00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure Angie Arnold is chopping it in the bit.

263
00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,920
Speaker 1: But I think people try to blame the victim because

264
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,880
Speaker 1: it makes them feel better and more secure themselves, like, Hey,

265
00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,760
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen to me, because I'm not gonna

266
00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,200
Speaker 1: jog at four o'clock in the morning, or I'm not

267
00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,280
Speaker 1: gonna be in this area, or I'm not gonna do

268
00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,480
Speaker 1: X y Z, so I'm safe. I think that's why

269
00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,680
Speaker 1: they attack the victims. We all want to say, it

270
00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,880
Speaker 1: can't happen to me, Nancy. I jog at four thirty

271
00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,720
Speaker 1: in the morning. I live in a somewhat dangerous part

272
00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,320
Speaker 1: of Atlanta, but I feel like it is my right

273
00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,160
Speaker 1: to jog in the morning, just as it should be

274
00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,520
Speaker 1: anyone's right, regardless of whether they're a man or a woman.

275
00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,399
Speaker 1: Jonathas sirih, do you live in Midtown? I used to

276
00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,240
Speaker 1: live in Midtown. Now I'm in the East Atlanta area. Okay.

277
00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,119
Speaker 1: I lived in Midtown the entire time I was prosecuting

278
00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,760
Speaker 1: behind Marymax High traffic area, high crime area. Okay. Back

279
00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,160
Speaker 1: to Jonathan's Sirie and to the Memphis live stream killers.

280
00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,199
Speaker 1: He is being called what more do we know about

281
00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,240
Speaker 1: this guy? Take a list of Jessica Gertler w r G.

282
00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,920
Speaker 1: I hope you're sitting down. So they've been looking through

283
00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,480
Speaker 1: our Shelby County Justice System portal, and we can tell

284
00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,000
Speaker 1: that there's an Ezekiel Kelly listed the data birth matches,

285
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,160
Speaker 1: the age police gave us, and based on that record,

286
00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,680
Speaker 1: we see a case from February third, twenty twenty, meaning

287
00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,280
Speaker 1: he would have been a juvenile when this happened, and

288
00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,920
Speaker 1: he was transferred to adult court. Now, the charges were

289
00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,639
Speaker 1: two criminal attempts first degree murder, aggrated assault, a gun charge,

290
00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,919
Speaker 1: and reckless endangerment. Again, this would have happened when he

291
00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,560
Speaker 1: was a juvenile. He transferred and it looks like he

292
00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,920
Speaker 1: pleaded guilty for a lesser charge. In twenty twenty one,

293
00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,480
Speaker 1: Now this doesn't list any details for us of what

294
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,520
Speaker 1: exactly happened. He pleaded to a lesser charge in twenty

295
00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,600
Speaker 1: twenty one, he got three years, and somehow is already

296
00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:32,240
Speaker 1: out my rear end twenty twenty. Okay, he's nearly twenty

297
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,320
Speaker 1: right now, that was two years ago. He was eighteen

298
00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,800
Speaker 1: or almost eighteen at the time. He what Jonathan Sirie

299
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,600
Speaker 1: has a lot of definitives. I prosecuted, like to say,

300
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:50,280
Speaker 1: he caught a murder attempt, he caught a murder charge.

301
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,720
Speaker 1: What what? Agg assault? Gun charge, reckless endangerment, first degree murder,

302
00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,320
Speaker 1: two criminal murder attempts and he's out in eleven months?

303
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,480
Speaker 1: Johnathan Series, Did I get that right? Got that right? Yeah?

304
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,360
Speaker 1: He played guilty to the lesser sentence of aggravated assault

305
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,199
Speaker 1: and sentence to three years, only served eleven months. The

306
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,120
Speaker 1: mayor's fury. Oh blah blah blah. The mayor's furious. Why

307
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 1: is it when he furious last week the same crap

308
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,280
Speaker 1: was going down, But now you got seven gunshot victims

309
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 1: and now he's curious. I mean, I'm glad he's furious,

310
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 1: Johnason Serie. But when a politician acts furious, I think

311
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,919
Speaker 1: that's just their way of getting reelected. No offense, Mayor,

312
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 1: But you know what talk is cheek, do something, do

313
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 1: something about it, Mayor. Okay, Daryl Cohen, have at it.

314
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,439
Speaker 1: It is not the victims fault. But victims need to

315
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,480
Speaker 1: have their heads on a squibble. They need not to

316
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 1: jog at four thirty, Good morning. Can you get off

317
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 1: Eliza and get on what we're talking about right now?

318
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 1: Get with it. We're on the mental sime stream shooter.

319
00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 1: He's gutting down people like the DC snipers. Okay, they're

320
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 1: just getting gas. They're just at almost different because the

321
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 1: DC sniper was trying to hide himself until he was

322
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: finally apprehended. This guy has a need for publicity. This

323
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 1: guy is absolutely crazy and by killing and is not

324
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 1: crazy vicious. What I want to know is how the hey,

325
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: this guy's out in eleven months on that rack of

326
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 1: charges he brought down on himself two years ago. That's

327
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 1: when that went down. Eleven months he's out. Wow, is

328
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 1: anybody's surprise? Jonathan Siri? You know there is so much

329
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:41,160
Speaker 1: frustration over sentencing right now. In this case is going

330
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 1: to create a national discussion on sentencing reform, at least

331
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to violent criminals, Do these people deserve

332
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 1: a second chance? Se converse, same as the first honey,

333
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 1: you're preaching to the choir. A national debate. Okay, can

334
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 1: you even imagine Congress having a national debate on this?

335
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: People are getting gunned down. They're gonna kill like flies

336
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: while Congress sits on their rari ends and there's nothing.

337
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: If you want people to stay in jail, you have

338
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: to build jails, you have to be able to house them.

339
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 1: The population has skyrocked. It so has the jail population.

340
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 1: There's nowhere to put them. So they're getting out like

341
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: a revolving door. And people are okay with that. People

342
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 1: that are in power, not the people that are being

343
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: gunned down. They're not down with it. But politicians are

344
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: all fine with it. Maybe somebody will hear the Memphis mayor.

345
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: But if I put money on it, I tell you'll

346
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: be back to business as usual next week, like these

347
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: seven people were never shot. Okay, we're talking about Ezekiel Kelly,

348
00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: a one man crime wave, the so called livestream Memphis

349
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: serial killer. Take a lesson to police director C. J. Davis.

350
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: Memphis police officers fight at the Dodge Challenger northbound on

351
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: Interstate fifty five from State Line Road, a high speed

352
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: pursuit began. The pursuit terminated at Hide Road and Ivan Road.

353
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: The mail driver, identified as Ezekiel Kelly, was taken into

354
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: custody without incident by the Memphis Police Department in the

355
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: Shelby County Sheriff's Office. Two weapons were visible inside the

356
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: vehicle where Kelly was. The Homicide Division and other investigative

357
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: units are actively working these crime scenes now and numerous

358
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: felony chargers are pending. Okay, Jonathan's Herry Fox News correspondent

359
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 1: joining us. So he only stopped when there was a

360
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: high speed chasing, he craft? Is that what went down? Yeah?

361
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,719
Speaker 1: And they had the bolo out for the vehicle because

362
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: he had stolen it and in the second carjacking, so

363
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: they knew exactly what vehicle they were looking for. Ended

364
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: after the high speed chase and after all that violence,

365
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: they apprehended him without incident, and one of the local

366
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: news stations obtained a photo of him in the back

367
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: of a squad car smiling at the camera. So let

368
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: me understand, Jonathan, Siri, he's in here? Is what now?

369
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: Third car? He finally is in a high speed chase.

370
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: How did he get in the high speed chase? Well,

371
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: police were looking for a vehicle, the last vehicle that

372
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: he had carjacked, and then I don't know if officers

373
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: spotted the vehicle or if they got a tip from

374
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: someone on the highway they spotted it. When he realized

375
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: they were following him, he sped up, and so that's

376
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: how it became the high speed chase, which apparently ended

377
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: in a minor crash. You know what's amazing, Jonathan Siri,

378
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: If you hadn't thought of this already, just watch it

379
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: as you go about your illustrious career. The good people

380
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: get killed, and the a hole somehow match to live like.

381
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: He has a minor crash and he gets out and

382
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: he's smiling, I mean, like a big old beauty contest,

383
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: Miss congeniality. Smile for the cameras, for the cameras speaking,

384
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: and for the cameras of what exactly was he live streaming?

385
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: What portions of his murder rampage was he streaming? So

386
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: the portion on the live stream was where he was

387
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: walking into that business, the auto zone, and just making

388
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: some violent commentary as he was walking in. Lots of

389
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: expletives and then he goes in the store and you

390
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: see him confronting this man in the distance, pulling up

391
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: his handgun and and opening fire. And it was just

392
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: it was probably, well, actually, I don't want to compare

393
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: it to any of the others. I'm sure they were

394
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: all shocking. It's just that this one happened to be documented.

395
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: And he ranting. What was he ranting about? What's his problem?

396
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: Jonathan Sirie. It didn't make sense. He was saying things

397
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 1: like this is the real deal. It seems more like

398
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: he was craving attention rather than he had any kind

399
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: of a coherent manifesto. And again, his victims just randomly targeted.

400
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: In one case that a woman was killed and it

401
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: appears that her children were nearby, just wailing. I didn't

402
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: know that, Jonathan Siria. You just told me something else.

403
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: I didn't already know one of the women that he

404
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: shot that her children were there. Yeah, we couldn't confirm

405
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: that it was the children, but there were children there.

406
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: They were wailing, and it was kind of assumed by

407
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: many on the scene that they were clothes to her,

408
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: probably her children. It appeared that they had a very

409
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: strong connection to her. Jonathan Sirie joining me from Fox News.

410
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: I often wonder how I'm gonna put the foot next

411
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: foot ahead of me after I work cases like this,

412
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: Jonathan Sirie, you gotta keep going, man. Let me quickly

413
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: go to Joe Scott Morgan, professor forensic Jackson State University

414
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon Strava,

415
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: and you hit serious body. Back to Joe Scott Morgan

416
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: on iHeart and Beyond. Joe Scott, just thinking back to

417
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: cases I've handled where there've been multiple victims, multiple locations,

418
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: multiple crime scenes, primary, secondary, tertiary crime scenes. Okay, we

419
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: just imagine this, Joe Scott Morgant, in your worst nightmare,

420
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: that this live stream is suppressed somehow, or we lose it,

421
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: or it doesn't come into evidence. How in the h

422
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: E double l Can you tell me we're going to

423
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: prove this case based on the crime scenes? Hit it? Well? Yeah,

424
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: that that video is not going to be lost. I've

425
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: seen it in other locations yet. Okay, go ahead, that's

426
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: what you think, right, I just watch you think. No,

427
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: I go ahead, I know that it won't. Let's just

428
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: pretend in the real in the real world, where somehow

429
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: things get lost in the evidence room. Just tell me

430
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: how I can prove this case without the video. I

431
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: love the video. That'd be Stay's Exhambitt number one, but

432
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: you got to have a backup plan, a plan B.

433
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: So what's the plan B? How can we prove this

434
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: without the video? Well, it's using obviously the same weapon

435
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: as he's moving from scene to scene to scene. So ballistics, yes, ballistics,

436
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: So the rounds that pass through these poor people, these

437
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: innocent victims, can all be tied back to that weapon. Also,

438
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: in addition to that, all of the spent ammunition, the

439
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: spent brass that will be laying back, those are going

440
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: to have particular strations on them that you can identify.

441
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: And also the weapon itself. You know, you begin to

442
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: think about how did he come into contact with this weapon?

443
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: From whom did he purchase it? And you look at

444
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: stuff like the provenance of the weapon, you know, from

445
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: where did it emerge? Whose hand can you put to it?

446
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: Who purchased the weapon? That sort of thing is also

447
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: going to be and then you know he's jumping from

448
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: multiple vehicle to multiple vehicle perpetrating these things. His DNA,

449
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: his fingerprints, those things that are unique to him, are

450
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: going to be found in each one of those vehicles. Yeah,

451
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a slam dunk case for a prosecutor.

452
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: It's evidence rich. But about fingerprints off of a fired

453
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: shell tasting a potentially sometimes it's a hit or miss proposition.

454
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: You can get it, but you have to keep in

455
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: mind as well that when that fingerprint is transferred onto

456
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: the surface, that smooth brass surface, it's a heated environment.

457
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: During that, you know, the explosion of the round going off,

458
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: and that can be compromised as well. And plus you

459
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: don't know you know, fingerprints are generated, they're left behind

460
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: this result of transfer fatty lipids from the fingertips. So

461
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: if he has dry skin, for instance, sometimes you won't

462
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: him be able to recover a print. People think that

463
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: you're going to recover print every time I was a

464
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: gate and that's not necessarily always be time stories with

465
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Okay, so we're gonna have ballistics matchup because

466
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: when you shoot bullets EI the same gun and this

467
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: guy clearly took MMO with him. Just imagine that. Everybody,

468
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: what about that intent right there? Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor

469
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: now civil attorney. Daryl Cohen. He had to take the

470
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: gun and the AMMO from car to car to car,

471
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: and he would carjack this car, then that car, then

472
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: that car. He had to take his weapons and his

473
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: AMMO with him. There is intent. Really might as well

474
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: have intent mensrehea malice of thought written stamped on his forehead, Nancy.

475
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: He had intent written all over his body. He had

476
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 1: viciousness all over his body. He needed the publicity. He

477
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: is vicious and you know what. He went to I believe,

478
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: two gasoline stations and committed those crimes. If you think

479
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: the price of gas is high, the price that he

480
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: is going to pay will be even higher. Hopefully he

481
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: had two weapons. Uh. Dave mac is Dave McK with

482
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: us Crime online dot Com Investigeta reporter Dave Mack. Thank

483
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: you for joining Jonathan's serie. Dave, didn he have two

484
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: weapons in the car? He did from everything we understand

485
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: at this point, although they're not releasing a lot of

486
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: the information that will be coming out, but yet he

487
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: apparently had two weapons and he had ammunition. As you

488
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: just pointed out, I understand he was posting the whole

489
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: time under the name Zeke Hansho, who the he is

490
00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: Zeke Hanscho ke Hancho was his Facebook handle, Yeah, his handle,

491
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: and that's where it was Zeke Huncho, and that they

492
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: were able to find out at the very first shooting

493
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: that happened at twelve fifty six am, that was where

494
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: the beginning of the Zeke Huncho and then actually identifying

495
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: him correctly as Zeke Gilkelly Zeke Huncho. Well, it's not

496
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: the first time that a killer has live streamed their

497
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: own crimes. Take a listen to our friends at CBS,

498
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: and this is about the Buffalo shooting that took so

499
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: many minority lives. Listen. The widely popular live streaming service Twitch,

500
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: which is owned by Amazon, has confirmed it was their

501
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: service the suspect used to live broadcast to shootings. Officials

502
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: say from the moment the suspect, eighteen year old Peyton Gendron,

503
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: pulled into the Tops Market parking lot, he was live

504
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: streaming what he was doing. He exited his vehicle. He

505
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: was very heavily armed. He had tactical gear, he had

506
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: a tactical helmet on. He had a camera that he

507
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: was live streaming. Officials believe the camera was attached somewhere

508
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: on that tactical gear Gendren was wearing. Twitch, the service

509
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: he was live streaming on, has removed the suspect's channel,

510
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: and in a statement, a spokesperson says, we are devastated

511
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: to hear about the shooting that took place this afternoon

512
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, New York. Our hearts go out to the

513
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: community impacted by this tragedy, which has a zero tolerance

514
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: policy against violence of any kind. Let me get a

515
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: straight out to doctor Angela Arnold joining me out of

516
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction from growing up in Memphis, Doctor Angie.

517
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: The Buffalo shooter claimed multiple lives and he had multiple

518
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: gun just like the Memphis live stream shooter. He actually

519
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: attached the camera to himself so he can catch every

520
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: minute detail of his mass murders. What is that so, Nancy?

521
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: These people are they are craving attention and if they're

522
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: not going and they want the notoriety of what they're doing, okay,

523
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: And I think that that's why we have copycats. That's

524
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: why when these people are mass murdered and there's on

525
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: the TV and we keep bringing up Eliza Fletcher who

526
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: was found just the other day, don't you have to

527
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: wonder if there were some sort of copycatting going on

528
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: with this guy and mephist He saw this other perpetrator

529
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: get all of this attention, and now maybe he was

530
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: maybe he wanted some attention, because it's very interesting to

531
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: me how these come in the same town on the

532
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: heels of each other. Yes, you know another thing, What

533
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: about that big smile he put on in the back

534
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: of the cop car. What was that? He got the

535
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: attention he wanted and it was very pleasing to him.

536
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: But let's not confuse that with insanity, because that does

537
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: not make him insane. I am quite sure that there

538
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: are people thinking, oh, well, he's just as crazy as

539
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: a betsy bug, he's insane. That is not an indication

540
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: that he is insane. Oh no, no, no, he was

541
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: very pleased with what he did, and he was getting

542
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: the attention that he craved because, for all we know,

543
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: he was watching everything that was going on a few

544
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: days ago and he wanted a piece of that action.

545
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen joining me former prosecutor nothing but felonies in

546
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: same office with me now device attorney. You can find

547
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: him on Twitter at Daryl beat Cohen. Darryl. You know

548
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: what I love? I love mug shots. I love them,

549
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: and I love photos taken at the scene. Have you

550
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: seen these two photos of the Memphis live stream shooter.

551
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: He's got the biggest smile, like freaky big smile in

552
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: the back of the squad car. But then in his

553
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: mug shot he's got a smile. What did they call

554
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: the guy, Jackie? He was a felon and everybody else

555
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: thought he was really good looking. Then he went and

556
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: stuck up a relationship with a millionaire's daughter. Oh, they

557
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: called him the hot felon. Right, hot felon Jeremy something

558
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: that's supposed he's striking opposed Daryl Cohen, and I absolutely

559
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: cannot wait wait for a jury to see him smiling

560
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: after he has gunned down seven Memphis innocent civilians. One

561
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: working at auto zone like my little nephew, somebody getting

562
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: into their car and the driveway, somebody getting gas, a

563
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: woman with her children. That, yeah, how's that gonna look?

564
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen, I think it's wonderful. Nancy, he convicted himself

565
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: when the prosecutor shows one of those photos and then

566
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: the second one to the jury, and the argument is,

567
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: not only did he do this, but he loved what

568
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: he did, so let's love him back and give him

569
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: the death penalty. Let's love him back and see that

570
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: we gave him more than he gave us, because he

571
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: has ruined not just the victim's lives, but their families lives,

572
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: and they will never ever be able to forget this, never,

573
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: So let's get even and do more to him than

574
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: he did to them. I don't know if there is

575
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: any way to get even, because I know, as a

576
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: convict in myself, your life will never ever be the same.

577
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Seven people have been shot him. Iphis a mother, dad,

578
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: a child, somebody's child. You never make a comeback from that.

579
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: You might trudge forward in life and may find a

580
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: way to not think about it every single day. I

581
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: don't think we can ever fully pay Ezekiel Dejeon Kelly back.

582
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: If it's any consolation to anybody, I predict he'll have

583
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: a choice, ultimately, the needle or the cham Goodbye for