WEBVTT - Slay What You Wanna Slay (feat. Evan Ross Katz) 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.160 I watched Sense and Sensibility last night. I've never seen 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:11.039 it before. It's the version with Emma Thompson, Kate Winslet, 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.120 Hugh Grant, Alan Rickman, and like ten other people who 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:17.840 were in harry Water. But it was so good and honestly, 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.800 I've never read Sensen Sensibility before, and like Jane Austen 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:28.240 kind of put her whole pussy into we're talking about 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:33.400 something that I love so much today, like truly one 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:37.519 of the foundational pieces of my personality. I was going 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.440 to say, Buffy the Vampire Slayer. We've already talked about 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:42.920 so many things that are very formative to you, but 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.879 Buffy really is that thing. It is that thing. It 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.720 has shaped so much of who I am in the world. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.519 And like, obviously that's complicated now because of the just 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.720 Weeden of it all, but I'm really excited to dig 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.600 into Buffy and why it's so important, and like especially 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.160 the women of Buffy, like why why they're so important. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.520 And there's no better person to have this conversation with 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.200 us than Evan russ Katz, who is a writer cultural critic. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:15.000 Buffy correspond Buffy, Buffy Corresponded his story Buffy um who 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.400 is literally writing the book on Buffy. Um, and we're 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.319 so excited to talk about it with him today because 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.200 this is like a Virgin the show where we give 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.120 yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm most damn you and 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.959 I'm Fran Toronto, and I'm feeling a sacred calling to 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:38.119 talk about what's going on in pop culture today. Um. So, 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.200 I woke up this morning to a cultural rest a shift. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.720 I felt something in the air, smelled it. I felt 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.400 my breasthts were sore. So that's how I knew even 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.800 before I opened Twitter that Rihanna had done something and 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:58.320 I'm sure it was not make an album. Correct. Yes, no, Um, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.760 Rihanna is pregnant with her first child with I mean 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.160 the father I don't believe is like it's it's Rihanna's baby, 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.000 but it is with Asap Rocky who. I guess like 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.360 people thought that they had broken up maybe, but they 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:16.600 are expecting a child. I think your initial reaction was correct. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.200 The father doesn't exist, um, and real is Madonna with child. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.480 This is a sacred baby. The spirit of our Lord 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:26.600 and Savior has infimated her and betrothed to us, a 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:30.000 savior I missed the I missed the old days when 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.760 Rihanna used Twitter the way that the rest of us 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.760 used Twitter to like clap back at people, or like, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.720 you know, the iconic like good luck booking that stage 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.120 you speak of? Yeah, yeah, same, I missed the olden 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.280 days of Rihanna when she was releasing Anti, which is 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.160 the best Rihanna album. Sorry about it? Well, someone did 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.640 tweet this morning. Um how it was very wrong of 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.639 Rihanna to announce this news the week of the Anti 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:02.280 anniversary because it's just like solidifying the fact that we 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.760 are not getting an album like maybe ever again. Oh 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.760 my gosh, but we have Maybe the album needed Me 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.040 is one of my favorite Rihanna songs of all time. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.920 Love on the Brain higher like read. I like that 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.440 you are willfully ignoring Rihanna's baby and instead choosing to 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.480 have a retrospective for Anti. This is the only thing 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.440 I actually really need to must be Love on the Brain. 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.239 Why do I sing so much on this podcast? Yeah? 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.000 I don't know. We're not trying to make because like, 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.160 I don't sing that much in real life. I think 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.440 our producers saying it's because we're musical theater girls. Yeah, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.800 we are recovering, recovering, recovering, musical theater, musical theater girls, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.920 to the tune of material Girls, I wanted to offer 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.400 you Rose a brief fran cap of Real Housewives of 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.360 Salt Lake City. Go ahead. First of all, there was 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.480 a huge I'm press release that I'm sure you saw 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.280 posted on all Bravo social media accounts about how Jenny, 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.040 the cast member of this franchise, who is maybe the 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.760 most boring housewife we've had in quite some time, was 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.000 fired for posting some really offensive things about black people 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.280 during the Black Lives Matter protests of I did see 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.200 that last week. I just wanted to bring this up 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:22.960 because obviously Jenny deserved the boot, and like, I am 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.839 glad that Bravo did something about it, But it has 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.200 to be said that Bravo only did this for opportunism 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.320 because they wanted to fire Jenny anyways, and so they 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.520 took this moment to post about why Jenny is a 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.919 bad girl and like dismissing her for her racism and 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.120 like she's no longer part of the show. I just 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.600 don't understand. I guess how the show is kind of 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.520 pulling its like racial politics together when like someone like 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.880 Ramona exists in Housewives like or when someone like Mary 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.000 who isn't going to be in the next season like 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.640 gets to go quietly. What I'm trying to say is, 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:02.200 like Bravo, not tolerate racism is like completely incoherent when 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.479 you look at the rest of like the House Lives 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.520 Cinematic University. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, And it's 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.600 I mean, I think telling that the fall person for 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:16.760 this bad behavior is someone who isn't white exactly exactly 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.000 say that, not that any of her behavior is excusable, 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:24.120 but it really is very telling. Um. You know what's 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.000 moderately better background TV Paul's Drag Race, which I am 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.520 continuing to watch. What did you think of this week's episode? 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:36.200 And like j Lo's cameo quote, I mean, can cameo 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.880 is a generous term. It literally I mean we paid 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.960 her for They paid her for a cameo and set 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:47.320 her to script lots were I mean, I think it 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.520 says a lot about j Lo as a celebrity that 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.120 like when they have done the other pop girlies, they 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.840 are like a lot of times doing iconic like performance 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.200 looks or like music video looks for j Lo it's 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.960 a lot of like this red carpet that you've never 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.320 seen photos of from like two years ago. You know, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.200 it's funny because j Loo is not necessarily as much 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.880 of a fashion queen as like when they did Night 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.279 of a Thousand Madonnas or Night of a Thousand Shares 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.000 or whatever. It kind of felt a little more lukewarm. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.800 But I felt Willow Hills look was stunning, and I 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.440 thought that it was cute. She I think got the 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.840 assignment really well and that she found kind of an 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.080 ugo bagugo look that no one would remember and made 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.400 something that was very drag. I have to say, if 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.479 I see that fucking Versace dress one more time, I'm 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.200 going to claw my own eyes out. I don't care 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.640 that Carrie how the actual one that j Lo wore. 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:49.000 Like also that lip sync double elimination, they were both 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.800 bad and and I and I like, I am happy 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:57.479 to have Carrie stay, but I don't think she won 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.360 that lip sync. I agree, I don't think she won 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.680 the lip sync. I don't think either of them won. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.000 But the other queen whose name I've already forgotten and 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.160 will not care to learn, Alissa Hunter. Please don't tell 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:12.920 me um, she definitely did worse than the challenge, but 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.680 if we're going off the lip sync, like she was 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.600 marginally better. If I were to get nitty gritty, Georgists 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.360 should have been in the bottom. I think she really 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.800 really tanked and Alyssa and Carrie, one of them should 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.760 have been saved from the bottom because I just don't 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.800 think that that was who our bottom two were. I 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.920 think they're both amazing performers in very different ways. I 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.840 think Alyssa is like such a show girl and I 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.720 appreciated her and felt like she should have gone further. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.080 Carrie maybe giving a very timid performance and drag race 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.880 overall so far, but I do feel like she has 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:52.000 what it takes to be a much more fierce competitor 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.600 in face and in runway and in other components of 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.480 the show. But like the runways just don't matter in 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.600 the grand scheme of how they eliminate girls. And I 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.640 wish the judges would just say that, you know what 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.080 I mean, like they are like low key my one 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.680 of my favorite parts of the show to watch. I agree, 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.520 and like you know, I don't really feel like giving 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.160 a ton of credit to someone who can afford an 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:16.040 archival Jennifer Lopez for Sacchy dress or I guess it's 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:20.080 not archival nineteen version, but it's like it still was 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.800 a stunning runway, and if you're in the bottom, that's 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.240 like that's gonna that's gonna save you, you know what 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.320 I mean, Like she served and like the runways should 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.400 be factoring into how they evaluate these, which is why 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.640 the bottom two made me so upset. Still, double elimination, 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.680 I just always think it should be a double yeah 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:42.640 you or quadruple. Honestly, I would like to be eliminated. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.680 I think before we move on to talking about Buffy, 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.960 like we should briefly touch on and just like that, 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:57.160 which today the season finale is out, um, but as 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.480 we are, you know, coming to from the past. We 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.960 haven't seen it yet. So based on where this penultimate 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.559 episode ended, Like, what are your predictions for the finale? 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.480 It's Samantha going to show up well, and I don't 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.080 think it's going to happen. I don't think so either. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.800 I think that is like so far and beyond which 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:17.880 she's going to show up in a post credit scene 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.480 like Nick Fury at the end of the adventure. Yeah, 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.160 I don't know. I I honestly, i'd be curious to 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.400 hear your predictions briefly on the last episode, I just have, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:33.959 honestly one remark this writer's room trying to imagine the 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.520 hottest club in Brooklyn unquote unquote. First of all, Brooklyn 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.400 doesn't have clubs, Like, we don't really do clubs really, 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.960 Like that's not a thing. I mean, there are clubs, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.560 it's just like we're not going to them. It is. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.880 It was kind of hard to watch. And also sorry, 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.200 someone who is at this stage in her career like 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.880 Carrie would not be waiting in line at a club, 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.120 like if she went to the front, even if she 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.160 was like kind of can I really like kind of 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.920 choogy internet celebrity that no one likes the way you 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.280 would let a real housewife into a party, no matter 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:07.720 who she is, you'd be like, oh, but I don't 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.760 think Carrie has that kind of face recognition. You don't 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.400 think No, I think maybe I think she should have 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.599 had her while I was going to say her publicists, 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.320 but she doesn't have on anymore because Samantha, she would 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.280 have had her publicists call ahead and get her on 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:24.160 the list. Maybe that's no Samantha. So there we go. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:29.280 My big question watching the episode was at the end 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.520 of the last episode, Miranda was flying to Ohio to 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:37.679 see Chay and confess her love, and then in this episode, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.920 like all they're just all a brunch and like there's 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.680 no mention of what happened, So, like, what what happened? 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.160 That was? So I understand that, like in the o G. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.360 Sex in the City, like it is truly episodic, and 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.360 so there are huge time jumps between all these episodes, 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.319 and so I don't know why, but it's much more 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.160 jarring and and just like that, I think because they've 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:05.120 created these hour long stories that, um, in my opinion, 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:09.520 are pretty serialized, and so I just I don't really 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.800 it is a little jarring. And I think that even 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.160 if they do earn it most of the time, like 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.480 they're good enough writers to like earn it. That I 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.280 totally agree. Was like it was such an explosive moment 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.560 to like take a cab to an airport for it 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:27.040 to be completely disregarded. Yeah, but I did like that 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.440 Miranda like had that moment where she recognized she was 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:35.199 being insane and not acting like herself. But like it's 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.200 a little too little, too late, especially after the moment 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.400 between Steve and Carrie where he said he was never 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.960 taking his wedding ring off, but also like that was 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.560 so different than the tune he was singing last week 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.160 where he was saying he was done fighting for their marriage. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:55.120 There's no consistency in the characterizations from episode to episode, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.840 and that makes me wonder, like, Okay, next week is 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.360 like Miranda going to have a come to Jesus moment 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.400 where Chay like disappoints her in some way and she 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.960 goes back to Steve. You know, I agree that there's 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.320 there's an emotion an emotional incontinuity, but I do think 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.280 that there's consistency in saying I'm done fighting for you, 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.840 but also like You're going to break my heart forever. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.160 Months have passed, I guess since we last saw them, 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.280 so it would make sense that he would come around 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.120 to kind of a new frame of mind. I think 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.680 I bought that. I guess what I'm kind of struggling 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:33.480 with is Naya's like I vf fully just don't care. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.520 I think that I don't care. They need they to 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.839 get me to care. She needed to be more part 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:43.000 of everyone else's stories, Like yes, I can, I can 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.040 recognize that that's a compelling story, even though it's one 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.480 we've already seen before with Charlotte and Trey back in 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.280 the original series. But she's just not a part of 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:54.920 the rest of the story enough for me to care 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.480 about it. I totally agree, and like, I commend what's 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.960 kind of trying to be done incorporating new kind of 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:07.000 characters into this universe in in the name of inclusion, 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.200 which I think in a kind of tokenism is like 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.720 really annoying, but I I think they're genuinely trying. I 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.160 think what like I feel both of us are kind 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:20.080 of annoyed with, is that seeing scenes without any of 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:24.040 our girls is very jarring. It's a different show. It's 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:25.880 a show I would want to watch. It's a show 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.240 I would be engaged in, but it's not Sex in 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.800 the City. And so I appreciate the swing of trying 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:36.240 to incorporate new perspectives and narratives. I just wish it 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.240 was kind of more entwined, and to borrow a take 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.760 from the Every Outfit podcast, like, it's also it sucks 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.920 that like all the people of color in the show, 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.400 like that their plotlines are such bummers, Like Seema is 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.959 like I guess creating a fake marriage to please her 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.920 parents LTW is just kind of like bickering with her 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.520 husband and Naya, you know, and this I V F thing, 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.200 like Bear rely has a single moment of levity. And 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.480 again it's just I think it's a failure of the 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:09.320 imagination for like rich people of color in this show. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.240 I think Seema is the best iteration of it, and 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.240 like she is like so faboo and like I'm I'm 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.720 invested in her as a character for season two of 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:22.840 the show, but it still doesn't They haven't quite smoothed 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.160 over all the layers of it um tonally, you know 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.040 what I mean. Yeah, I think also one of the 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.440 problems is that, like I get and just like that 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.280 is not Sex in the City. But the thing was 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:38.520 Sex in the City was that carries friends lives were 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:43.080 important because not just because we found them compelling as characters, 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.880 but because what they were going through in the episodes 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.640 was thematically linked to what Carrie was talking about in 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.360 her columns. So all the stories have these like larger 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.960 thematic connects exactly, And that's just not happening here. Everything 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:58.840 is just like here's a bunch of stuff that's happening 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.400 all these people's lives, so that just like feels weird 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.760 to me and just like bad writing. But I guess 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.960 that's my prediction for the finale is like there will 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:11.400 be more kind of like confusing bad writing stuff. Um, 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.520 we are getting a mitzvah, which is going to be 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:19.720 a lot. Har enf is playing the trans rabbi. You kidding? Um, yeah, 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.960 it was in the preview that Okay, that's sick. I'm 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.920 here for Harry as a as a rabbi. I think 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.680 all I'm hoping for is that these women get something 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.560 fun to do next week. I hope so. But we 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:47.600 will see you up the the mitzvah. Today we're talking 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.120 about Buffy the Vampire Slayer and there is literally no 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.120 one better to do that with them with our guest 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.760 Evan ross Katz, thank you both. And I just gotta say, 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.200 I feel like years ago, when I would see you 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.840 on Twitter, I'd be like, oh my god, she's someone 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.680 who also sees the show like I see the show, 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.000 and like really, I started to realize that there was 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.600 like a fandom that exists twenty plus years later, and 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.320 like we still are out there and it's like you 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.600 see someone that posted about Buffy and it like it 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.400 connects you to that person because you're like, oh, you 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.440 may maybe you see the world how I see the world. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.160 It is this little insider club and a way to 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.480 just know someone's cool if they like Buffy. AG. So 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.040 you're declaratively saying that I'm not cool. That's not that's 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.880 not actually what I'm saying. If that's what you're inferring, 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.760 then that's up to you. I guess I should clarify 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.479 that I like Buffy, but I personally have not consumed 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.080 Buffy the way y'all have because y'all were from the 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.760 dark question mark from season two. From season two, that's 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:52.960 that's when I started as well and then went back. Yeah, okay, okay, 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.680 And I personally have only, you know, done a cursory 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.960 watch of the first season. I'm not in the weeds 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:00.400 of it. But again, like I said that, I'm a 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.560 student today and I'm here to learn what I mean. Yeah, 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:04.679 but I was gonna say, like I feel like with 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.880 season like when I first watched it, I look back 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.560 now and I don't know what I was taking away 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:14.040 from it because I literally was a preteen and so 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.679 so many and as you mentioned yeah, yeah, and like 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.320 I go back now and I'm like, I don't know 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:21.639 the show that I was watching or what I was 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.760 taking away from it. I'm glad I found it, but 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.560 like so many of the jokes and the references, like 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.800 I had no idea what was going on, and to 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.840 this day I get something new from every every time 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.879 I watched an appo completely there's so many layers of 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.920 references and like little like physical moments of humor that 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.200 I just didn't catch on first watching. There's a line 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.439 in season three I forgot the name of the episode, 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.399 but it's one sentence in Sarah Michelle Geller literally references 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.920 Willie Lohman from Death of a Salesman and then talks 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.640 about the real world. And it's just like the way 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:55.359 that she just sort of goes in and out of 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.639 something that's like an Arthur Miller play and then like 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.560 an MTV reality show. And I again and both of 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.440 those things over my head at the time, but now 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:03.920 I go back and watch him, like this show is 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.240 just so smart. Well, for all of our virgins out there, 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.800 which this week includes a friend, Um, Evan, do you 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.359 want to give us like a you know, a brief 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:18.359 little synopsis of what Buffy is. Yeah, so Buffy was 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:23.360 based off of a film that was written by Josh Sweden, 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.960 and when we say his name, we're using verbal asterixes 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:31.680 over the vowels um. But basically the premise of the film, 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.760 which sort of sort of more or less carries over 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.560 into the series, was that there he wanted to subvert 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.920 the idea of the blonde girl in the alley that 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.479 dies in a horror film, and he basically was like, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.080 I want to have her take back the night. I 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.480 want her to not only survive, but thrive and be 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.879 powerful and actually be able to take out the bad guys. 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.440 And so the character of Buffy was born. In the film, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.080 she's a little bit more flat, she's more of like 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.080 just sort of a dizzy valley girl who's given this 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.040 identity as the chosen one, the slayer. And then in 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:07.080 the television series she becomes a lot more nuanced thanks 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.520 to the writing, but mostly thanks to the performance of 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.640 Sarah Michelle Geller. And so the series just basically chronicles 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:17.320 her battling physical demons and then the demons that live 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:18.720 with so many of us, and so there's sort of 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.919 this metaphor. Yeah, it was the show that popularized the 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.400 idea of the monster of the Week episode UM, and 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.719 it also was the show that created the idea of 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.679 the big bad UM of having a season of serialized 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:37.240 television that was like all like thematically linked by one 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.880 story and leading towards one big confrontation. And in so 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.240 many ways, Buffy was the blueprint for like everything that 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.640 exists on TV no completely and also just like treating 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.400 young people. You know, there's this thing right now because 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.919 there's so many shows out there, from sex Education to 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:57.119 Euphoria that treat teens like teens really are, but that 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.960 wasn't so much. The trend at the time was very 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.520 actually after school special, like everything was like a lesson, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.600 And I feel like Buffy was one of the first 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.680 shows to really treat teens as young adults, as people 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.320 who have maybe heightened emotions, but those emotions are very 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.639 real when you're living through them. At the time, it 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:18.119 sort of didn't um look down upon teen aks. It 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:22.080 actually celebrated teenang totally, and those emotions were so real 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:27.840 that they became literal monsters because those monsters were reflections 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.320 of what the characters were dealing with. And I think 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:36.520 in Buffy the slayer, you know, defeating them. They never 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.119 made that like a shorthand for having to deal with 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.960 the actual issues, Like Buffy always had to figure her 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.000 ship out. It wasn't like she just got to slay 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:50.240 a monster and everything went away. There was so much 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.720 like unpacking of trauma and you know, like dealing with 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:59.920 you know, romantic relationships and platonic relationships and familial really 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:04.360 and chips and it's just like the best show ever. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.440 I watched the first episode with like an O G. 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:11.000 Buffy stand like someone who watched the movie like when 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.199 it came out, and then we came obsessed with Buffy 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.280 from there, which I think, I don't know, do a 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:17.480 lot of Buffy stands, like even what like I actually 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.480 didn't even know that there was a movie. Do a 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:21.200 lot of Buffy stands start with the TV show and 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.359 then go back to the movie, or like, well, I 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.080 would say that the film is like not Cannon, but 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.880 it but it kind of is because they like I 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.199 like that they didn't totally throw it out, because they 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:38.520 make references to the villain in the movie. And in 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:43.359 season two, the flashbacks to Buffy at her old school, 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:45.280 like she does talk about how she burned down the 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.800 gym in her old school. You see like a version 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.919 of her that is closer to what we saw in 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.919 the movie. But you understand in the first season that 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.040 Buffy has gone through a major change after like the 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.359 events of the first movie, and that's what makes it 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.119 okay for her to be this new character played by 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.679 this new actress. And there's one moment in the film 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:08.919 that I actually think carries through in terms of the 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.479 character of Buffy that's actually like one of my favorite 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.960 moments in the film. Buffy is played by Christy Swanson, 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.119 another actor who are going to use asterixes around the 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.440