1 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on 2 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: the Fish on First podcast channel, available wherever you get 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: your podcasts, bringing you complete Miami Marlins coverage from the 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: Fish on First Team. I'm Elis Susman, the founder of 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: fof coming at you very late on Tuesday night, very 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: early on Wednesday morning, however you want to frame it 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: to react to this big development, seems that exactly one 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: month after officially opening their managerial search, and many months 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: after unofficially starting to look towards the post Skipschumacher era, 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: the Marlins are on the verge of securing their next 11 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: manager for the twenty twenty five season and hopefully well 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: beyond that. So we're going to break through a lot 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: of angles of it and or so just to split 14 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: hairs between the two reported finalists that the Marlins were 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: considering in recent days losing up to this. The breaking 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: news that just came out on Tuesday night has been 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: widely reported across Chicago White Sox Beat, but initially broken 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: it seems by Scott Markin of MLB dot Com is 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: that Will Venable former Major League Gutfielder, most recently the 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: associate manager of the Texas Rangers, will be named the 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: new Chicago White Sox manager moving forward. His first managerial gig, 22 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: it comes with joining the team that was one of 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: the worst in recent modern Major League Baseball history. He 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: was a finalist for the Marlins job, as we've been 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: able to confirm, and has been reported across the Marlins beat. 26 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: He and Craig Albernaz believed to be the final two 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: that the Marlins were considering. Awkwardly, those two were also 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: finalists for the White Sox job, and the White Sox 29 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: seem to have made their decision a little bit sooner 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: than the Marlins have Venable going over there, and by default, 31 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: the expectation is that Craig Albernaz is going to be 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: the next skipper of the Miami Marlins moving forward. That name. 33 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: We've covered him quite extensively already on fish On First, 34 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: because he was probably the obvious choice heading into this process, 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: given his connections to Marlin's decision makers. We're going to 36 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: get into that because my initial plan for this pod 37 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: before the Venable news came out, was to do a 38 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: tail the tape between these two finalists. What Albernaz brings 39 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: to the table, what Venable brings to the table, I 40 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: was ready to give my endorsement. It's not that I've 41 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: had a vote at all in this decision, but in 42 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: the spirit of election day coming up, it felt kind 43 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: of fitting to told you guys where I stood before 44 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: the Marlins themselves actually made a choice right here, or 45 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: at least made their choice official, and all signs indications 46 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: are that Craig Albernaz will be the man. This stuff 47 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: cannot be made official until Thursday at the early, until 48 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: there's an off day in between World Series games, or 49 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: one right after the potential end of the World Series, 50 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: still a couple of days away from that happening. This 51 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: is the expectation that Albernaz is going to be taking over. 52 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: Is he the right choice to fill the shoes of 53 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: Skip Schumacher and to lead the Marlins moving forward, hopefully 54 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: for many years to come. As you guys are well 55 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: aware of, the turnover that the Marlins have had at 56 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: the managerial position throughout their history has been constant, disorientating, 57 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: I think frustrating for everybody involved that there's been so 58 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: little continuity, even when they find people that are doing 59 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: well at the job and that are seeming to be 60 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: the great fit. It's been for a variety of reasons, 61 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: it's hard to retain somebody at that important position. We'll 62 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: see if Albernez is the one, So we're gonna start 63 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: with him first, because my thinking here is just to 64 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: take you through the history of these finalists, and yeah, 65 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: some other ancillary factors that I find kind of interesting. 66 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: I generally don't get too invested in the subject of 67 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: managers and coaches just because I don't want to. I 68 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: just can admit that I don't know what I don't 69 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: know when it comes to these things. Just like you 70 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: don't want to get too attached to an individual player 71 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: because you don't really know everything about them, And with 72 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: coaches and managers, it's even more difficult just because of 73 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: the lack of individual stats and like objective ways to evaluate. 74 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: It's so subjective. It's so subject to what these people 75 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: allow us to see from them at their workplace, at 76 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: the ballpark or in spring training, etc. You just very 77 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: rarely get a peek about them behind the scenes. We're 78 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: not doing the same background checks that hopefully the team 79 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: themselves are doing, both in terms of their personal history 80 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: and references, et cetera. Stuff like that. There's only just 81 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: so much no that I know about these people, and 82 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: especially in this particular case with the Marlins, because not 83 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: just these finalists, but everybody, as far as we know 84 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: involves in this Marlins manager will search all the candidates 85 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: who were involved, from George Lombard, Tiger's bench coach, Clinton McCullough, 86 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers first base coach, among others. Well, even Luisuretta. 87 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: I want to make sure I mentioned him before we 88 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: get too deep into the actual finalists here. The previous 89 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: Marlins bench goes in the past two years. In this 90 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: version this cycle for the Marlins, we're looking at everybody 91 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: that was seriously in the mix, had no prior major 92 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: league managerial experience, and we find out kind of quickly 93 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: whether or not new guys that step into this particular 94 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: role are suited for it in a variety of ways 95 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: because of all the demands that it involves that are 96 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: different from coaching and any other role on a major 97 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: league staff, and are even quite different from managing in 98 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: different professional leagues, different from managing in the minor league. 99 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: It's it's complicated, and again, you learn a lot once 100 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: these guys are on the job. I just don't feel 101 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: that I can give you really thorough breakdown about why 102 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: it works or why it doesn't. With that being said, 103 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: I hope you guys continue to listen here as we 104 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: go through these two finals. Albernaz invenable and the history 105 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: that brought them to this point in the first place, 106 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: and ultimately we could try to theorize why the Marlins 107 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: will end up going with Albernaz all things considered. So 108 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: to bring you this bio, this is from the Cleveland 109 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: Guardians Media guide for the twenty twenty four season. There's 110 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 1: Albernaz right there. We're recording this on his forty second birthday, 111 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: So happy birthday to Craig Albernaz. What we believe is 112 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: going to be very warm gift that he receives. That 113 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: he's getting his first shot to be a major league manager. 114 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: This is what we know about him already. He's he 115 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: only spent one year with the Guardians, and it was 116 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: a very successful year, especially relative to expectations. This was 117 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: a Cleveland Guardians team that I think most people had 118 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: finishing below five hundred and instead they spend most of 119 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: the season atop the American League Central Division and they 120 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: end up going to the postseason, even advancing to the 121 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: American League Championship Series before they ran into the New 122 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: York Yankees. Right there, Albernez was the bench coach the 123 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: way that these coaching stats are constructed across baseball. That is, 124 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: the right hand man of the manager themselves, as as 125 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: close as you can get to being a major league 126 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: manager without managing on your own. Now, to lead you 127 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: up to how we got to this point, he was 128 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent catcher coming into pro ball. He 129 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: ends up signing with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays at 130 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: the time and spends most of his playing career over there. 131 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: Parts of nine seasons from Alburnez between twenty six and 132 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, the last of which he moved over to 133 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: the Detroit Tigers organization, but then very quickly came right 134 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: back to the Rays in order to begin his coaching 135 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: career without skipping a beat. Became a minor league hitting coach. 136 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: A little bit ironic because Albernas himself was a very 137 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: poor hitter. That is what held him back from really 138 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: being considered a prospect. It's what let him just short 139 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: of reaching the big leagues. Alvin has maxed out at 140 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: Triple A. He spent several seasons at Triple A knocking 141 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: on the door, but always as like a backup type. 142 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: Definitely a defensive minded catcher. And it's a little ironic 143 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: that he became a hitting coach first, given his own 144 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: hitting struggles. Within a couple of years, starting in twenty seventeen, 145 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: he became a minor league manager within the Rays organization. 146 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: He spent two seasons doing that, first that short season 147 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: ball and then full season ball twenty nineteen minor league 148 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: field coordinator, and then twenty twenty to twenty twenty three. 149 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: Each of those four years he was on the San 150 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: Francisco Giants coaching staff as the bullpen coach. Coaching staff 151 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: that was led by Gabe Kapler, now the assistant general 152 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: manager of the Marlins. At the time Kapeler was the 153 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: skipper in San Francisco. Together, they were part of one 154 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: of the best regular seasons in Giants history twenty twenty one, 155 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: where they won one hundred and seven games for a 156 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: team that also didn't have especially high effectations going into it, 157 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: So everybody involved with that coaching staff naturally should be 158 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: pretty proud of what they accomplished that year. Then, entering 159 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four season, Kapler. Well, Kapler gets fired 160 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: right after twenty twenty three by the Giants, and initially 161 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: Albernaz is he's a managerial candidate for the Cleveland Guardians, 162 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: making what would be a pretty unusual leap from bullpen 163 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: coach to manager. He doesn't get the job. Instead, it 164 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: goes to Steven Vote, who happens to be a close 165 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: friend of his going back a while, and Vote is 166 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: quick to hire him on his coaching staff, give him 167 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: a promotion from bullpen coach to what was initially described 168 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: as a major league field coordinator who has kind of 169 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: vague and various responsibilities right there. I don't think this 170 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: was completely understood letting up to this process. But Albernaz 171 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: becomes the bench coach because the initial bench coach pick 172 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: for the Guardians entering twenty twenty four were supposed to 173 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: be Demarlow Hale, and he instead got an associate manager 174 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: job with the Blue Jays. Hale leaves just a few 175 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: weeks after the coaching staff is initially put together, and 176 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: therefore it's Albernaz that gets bumped up to the bench 177 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: coach shop. I think it was as a promotion, if 178 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: you will, just by the void that was opened up 179 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: and again it goes really well. I'm gonna link it 180 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: into the description on our website when it posts this 181 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: this article from the Athletics describing the relationship between Albernaz 182 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: and Steven Vote. It was really fascinating, the chemistry that 183 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: they had between each other, the trust that they had 184 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: between each other. Even though Vote is the one that 185 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: is the manager, he is the boss. I think it's 186 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: pretty clear that Albernaz was valuable to him, that he 187 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: had a lot of trust in Albernaz. Only a couple 188 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: occasions where Albernaz got to do any acting managing when 189 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: Vote got ejected from games. He has a few innings 190 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: of major league acting manager experience under his belt, so that's, 191 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's better than absolutely nothing. But as far 192 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: as I saw, there was no complete games that Vote 193 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: missed this past year, so he didn't have any start 194 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: to finish days as a major league manager in twenty 195 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: twenty four. I should have mentioned, though, that during his 196 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay days, for most of that time, there was 197 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: that overlap with Peter Bendix. Bendix began as an intern 198 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: with the Rays in two thousand and nine, and then 199 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: Albernez was there from two thousand and six. With that 200 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: one year hiatus in twenty fourteen, he was there for. 201 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: They crossed over for about a decade right there into 202 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: the late twenty tens, before Albernez left again to become 203 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: a Giant's Major league coach. Right there, Bendix during those 204 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: years he had some involvement on the player development side. 205 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: I think at the very end of that tenure he 206 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: was an assistant GM or so, so they certainly had 207 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: some interactions there, some history there. That familiarity is undoubtedly important. 208 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: The fact that you have two big decision makers during 209 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: this Marlins hiring process in Bendix and Kapler that both 210 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: worked closely with Albernez, so they know a whole lot 211 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: about him. And you'd think that if those are the 212 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: kind of things that honestly we really couldn't understand from 213 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: the outside, if there were red flags and certain behaviors 214 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: from him that they felt were not positive, then it 215 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: would have been disqualifying. You would think you wouldn't be 216 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: the name that came out so early in this process 217 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: and stayed from wire to wire essentially in here. They 218 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: must be really impressed by what he's done. I don't 219 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: want to completely goss over the previous minor league managerial experience. 220 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: That is notable the fact that, I mean the results 221 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: not so much. I don't really care that his team 222 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: actually had a great win loss record in the minors. 223 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: As even Albernas would tell you THEERI, the managerial gig 224 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: in the miners is not about wins and losses. You 225 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: do not really make maneuvers during those games with that 226 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: in mind, You're just focused on developing the players themselves. 227 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: Even so, like being in that seat and just having 228 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: various responsibilities, interpersonal responsibilities involved are really important here. Albernaz 229 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: is from Massachusetts, and you'll notice it as soon as 230 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: you hear him talk. He has a strong New England accent, 231 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: but one that is also very easy to understand. It 232 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: doesn't get in the way of hearing what he has 233 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: to say. He doesn't, from what I've been able to 234 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: listen in his interviews, doesn't have two many too much 235 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: exotic vocabulary that is native to that region. Like it's 236 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: in terms of actually being able to understand him, everybody's 237 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: gonna be on the same page right there. And he 238 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: is a good communicator as far as I've been able 239 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: to tell. That's something that he himself stresses in how 240 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: he describes his job and the importance of being in 241 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: a coaching role is to over communicate when necessary, to 242 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: tell players the why and explain, you know, why certain 243 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: decisions are being made, why players are going through certain drills, 244 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: why they're being used in certain situations at particular positions, 245 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: et cetera. Yeah, there's some good content out there from 246 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: his years with the Giants, even about him coaching up 247 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: catchers and really running the gamut between polishing up the 248 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: technique that catchers were using versus the mindset and what 249 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: they should be thinking in certain situations. It should not 250 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: be really can't be overstated how valuable it is to 251 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: be a longtime professional catcher and how that translates into 252 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: being a successful coach, just because of all the responsibilities 253 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: that a catcher has all the such a selfless position, 254 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: how much of your time and effort you dedicate towards 255 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: making sure your pitcher is comfortable and communicating with your 256 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: pitcher between every single pitch throughout the game, understanding the 257 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: way that your defense is positions between every single pitch 258 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: in order to attack the game appropriately. That is a 259 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: perspective that's going to be really valuable and one that 260 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: the Marlins haven't had in a manager since Mike Ridmand, 261 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: so about a decade since Marlins have had a former 262 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: catcher serve as their skipper. I do want to get 263 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: to the will be Venable angle of this as well. 264 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: Once again, I am going to default to the media guide, 265 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: this one from the Texas Rangers, where Venable spent this 266 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: past season, each of the last two years as the 267 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: associate manager of the Rangers, and he clarified it in 268 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: multiple interviews that associate manager is a bench coach. For 269 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: anybody that's unclear about that, these guys had the exact 270 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: same role this past season with their respective teams. That 271 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: associate manager is just title inflation. It just gives teams 272 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: the flexibility to interview bench coaches on other teams, and 273 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: if you bring them over as your associate manager, it 274 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: is it's a superior title. Maybe it's a little bit 275 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: more money, maybe, but the responsibilities are essentially identical. So 276 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: he was bench coach each of the last two years 277 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: under Bruce Bochie, and we're going to get to that 278 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: in just a few minutes. To lead up to that moment, 279 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: Benible is one of the few people involved in Major 280 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: league coaching. That is an Ivy League grad. He attended 281 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: Princeton University and was not just a standout baseball player 282 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: in basketball as well. There were his accolades as a 283 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: college basketball player might have been even better than those 284 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: of his as a baseball player. He did have a 285 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: baseball backround. His dad played quite a while in the 286 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: major leagues. Father Max parts of twelve seasons and also 287 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: had his own pretty long coaching career. So not a 288 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: coincidence perhaps that Will Venable followed ultimately in Max's footsteps, 289 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: and it's going to take over as the White Sox manager. 290 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: He played in the majors, unlike Albernaz. Whereas Albernaz, Max 291 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: had at Triple A. Venable made it to the majors 292 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: within three years of being drafted, and then he spends 293 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: parts of nine seasons in the big leagues, most of 294 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: that with the San Diego Padres that's where he's best known. 295 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: He was never a full major league every day player. 296 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: He had one season where he's a qualified hitter, qualified 297 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: for the batting title, and every other year fell a 298 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: little bit short. He was a left handed hitting outfielder 299 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: and he was platooned pretty extensively throughout his career. You 300 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: can look at the splits. Was a well above major 301 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: league hitter, above average major league hitter against right handed pitching, 302 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: but very vulnerable against lefties, so he's platooned appropriate. He 303 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: was platooned accordingly throughout his career, which mostly with the 304 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: Padres at the end with both the Rangers and then 305 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: the Dodgers in twenty sixteen. Much like Albernaz, he made 306 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: the jump to coaching soon after retiring. With Albernez, it 307 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: was more clear cut that that was the next step 308 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: for him, But Thenable, he's been pretty open that, you know, 309 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: he threw his hands up after retiring, not knowing exactly 310 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: what the next step would be, and that he reached 311 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: out to teams just kind of cold calling them whether 312 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: they had an opening for him in a front office 313 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: role in baseball operations, just for him to get his 314 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: foot in the door on that side of the game. 315 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: He becomes a special assistant with the Cubs about a 316 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: year after retiring, and very soon after moves into their 317 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: coaching staff, their major league coaching staff. So that journey 318 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: is quite a bit different than Alberna. As we just 319 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: laid out, Venable didn't have any minor league coaching stints 320 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: in there straight from retiring. There's a little gap between 321 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: when he becomes a special assistant with the Cubs in 322 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen and then entering the twenty eighteen season. He's 323 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: their major league first base coach under Joe Madden for 324 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen twenty nineteen. Madden leaves after that David Ross 325 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: takes over in twenty twenty. Will Venable becomes the third 326 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: base coach that year. He eventually goes to the Red 327 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: Sox in twenty twenty one to be the bench coach 328 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: under Alex Korra. That team makes the playoffs. He stays 329 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: there for second year in twenty twenty two as well. 330 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two is when he got his first 331 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: acting manager experience. There was like a week in there 332 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: that Cora was unavailable due to COVID, and Venable just 333 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: operated as the manager during that stretch of time. After 334 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: that is the aforementioned moved to Texas to become the 335 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: the associate manager just to become their own bench coach 336 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: under Bruce Bochie and as you're all pretty familiar with, 337 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, the Texas Rangers his first year there, 338 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: Bruce Bochie's first year there, they win a World Series, 339 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: the first one in franchise history. And that's where he 340 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: was again this past season. Along the way, very early 341 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: after entering his major league coaching career, Ennible, he got 342 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: opportunities to interview for big league jobs as far back 343 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: as twenty nineteen. After the twenty nineteen season, he had 344 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: two years of coaching at all, and then he's already 345 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: getting interviews to be a major league manager at the time, 346 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 1: just being a first base coach with the Cubs. That's 347 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: when he got his first opportunity to do so. As 348 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: far as I could tell, basically every single off season 349 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen to now twenty twenty four, he's had 350 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: opportunities to interview. He hasn't taken all those opportunities. I 351 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: think there was at least one time, if not twice. 352 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: Certainly last year coming off the World Series title, he 353 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: was open about how he was in the perfect spot 354 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: he thought for his own career that even though a 355 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: manager was a clear cut promotion and something that he 356 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: was aspiring to do, that he didn't even seriously look 357 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: into the managerial openings that were available a year ago, 358 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: so he kind of picked and chose his spots. He's 359 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: somebody that has been on other teams as radars for 360 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: a full half decade now to be a major league 361 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: manager despite that limited experience, as fire the fact that 362 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: he's the exact same age as Albertas. He is one 363 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: day older than Craig albert As he Venables celebrated his 364 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: forty second birthday on Tuesday, Albernaz celebrates it on Wednesday, 365 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: and yet Venable his path to this point was expedited. 366 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: The experiences are largely the same. He has a lot 367 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: more experienced as a bench coach, being you know, right there, 368 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: right next to the guy making the decisions on in 369 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: a major league dugout. At the same time, he doesn't 370 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: have his own managerial experience to fall back on, not 371 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: quite as many, not quite as many opportunities in different 372 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: facets of the game the way that Albernaz has had 373 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: to this point. I should mention that he's a Bay Area, 374 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: California native, and similar to Albernas. You find out pretty 375 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: quickly when he starts talking that he has those roots. 376 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: It's not as much of an in your face accents 377 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: as Albernaz, but is very distinctly West coasty of available, 378 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: both of them listening to them, that their temperaments are 379 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: just very similar. These guys compared to even Skip, I 380 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: would say that they're a little more laid back and 381 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: in calm and willing to crack a few more smiles overall, 382 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: compared to Skip, somebody that I think player that it's 383 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: hard to see them really getting angry or or super 384 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: fired up. There. They're ones that just seem to exude 385 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: positive aura, and I think that is their path too. 386 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: They feel dealing with players is to build them up 387 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: in that way. Player friendly managers, you would think. And 388 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: again this is kind of speculative, just because Venable hasn't 389 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: been a manager before at any other level. At this point, 390 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: Albernaz is seven or eight years removed from the last 391 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: time that he was managing any group of people, and 392 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: when he was doing that, there were ones in the 393 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: low levels of the miners. So that's that's something that 394 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: I mentioned up top, and I'm going to reiterate that this. 395 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't think there is a slam dunk, no brainer 396 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: choice when everybody that you're considering is missing these this 397 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: particular job experience at the major league level that if 398 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: they're going to be a first time big league manager, 399 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: there's going to be unknowns about it, exactly how they're 400 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: going to adapt to that role, even if they've no 401 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: matter where where they're coming from before. To have all 402 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: those responsibilities and to have it in a major league 403 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: clubhouse is going to be something new for them no 404 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: matter what. But just to reiterate from the top of 405 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: the show, Venerable to the White Sox is completely done. 406 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: We think that Albernaz the Marlins is all but done 407 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: as well, but we don't have quite as much certainty 408 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: about it at this very hour as I'm recording this 409 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: right now. So I wanted to give like an endorsement 410 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: on this and try to split hairs. These guys are 411 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: very similar in the way that they reached to this point, 412 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: and they check a lot of the same boxes, and 413 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: you can see why they were both finalists for this 414 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: particular job, because they just the experiences that they've had 415 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: and how they've thrown themselves into coaching so quickly after 416 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: finishing up their playing careers, now that they've been parts 417 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: of successful teams already on their way to reaching this 418 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: exact point, and at the same time they've been in 419 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: situations where they've gotten to learn from some really smart people, 420 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: gotten to be hand in hand with guys that are 421 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: using information to get the best out of players and 422 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: ones that are damn I think they're both qualified for 423 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: this as best as we can understand it. I just 424 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: can't help but think that Venable has If I was 425 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: in this situation, knowing what I know, that I would 426 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: lean towards Venable as my preferred pick right here. And 427 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly how this went down for people 428 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: that hadn't seen the exact report that came out from 429 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: Bob nine Gale of USA today. So he confirmed that 430 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: Venable and Albertnaz were finalists for the White Sox along 431 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: with Phil Nevin, and that they were finalists at the 432 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: same time that the Marlins had Venable and Albernaz circled 433 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: as finalists. Like these processes when we're almost in lockstep 434 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: with each other, so I don't know, we might not 435 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: ever know whether or not both teams preferred one particular guy, 436 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: and if there was some sort of bidding wary if, 437 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: for example, this news that comes out on Venable came 438 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: out first on Venable. So that makes you think that 439 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: if this scenario was at all in play. Is it 440 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 1: possible that both of them wonted ventable and that Venable, 441 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, chose the White Sox over the Marlins. 442 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: From our advantage point, you would think that the White 443 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: Sox job is the only one that's definitely less desirable 444 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: than the Marlins, just considering how little talents there is 445 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: on the major league roster at that time and how 446 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: long it might take for things to meaningfully change for them. 447 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: But we don't know what the contract structures on the 448 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: table were at the time. We don't know what the 449 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: salaries available for this job is with both organizations. It's 450 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: but that is a really fascinating angle to this, that 451 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: there are only two open jobs at the moment, and 452 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: that both of these jobs zeroed in on the same 453 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: people to potentially take these these gigs With Venible, What 454 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to explain is why I think that he 455 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: would have been my preferred choice if the Marlins indeed 456 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to get it done with either of them. 457 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: That I just feel like he is better prepared to 458 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: leap into this job at this particular moment. When you 459 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: combine the Red Sox bench coach gig and the Rangers 460 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: Associate manager Gig has four full seasons with those teams. 461 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: First year in that particular role, he was at a 462 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: front row seat to a team that made it to 463 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: the postseason, and then he was there with a team 464 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: that took a pretty significant step back. Then he went 465 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: over to the Rangers, a team that went all the 466 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: way to winning a World Series title, and then he 467 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: was there this year when they had a pretty frustrating 468 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: step back all the way to being a sub five 469 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: hundred again. That's something that Skip spoke about as well 470 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: this when we had him on our podcast a few 471 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: months ago, about how the experience of going from a 472 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: postseason team to a rebuilding team is still kind of 473 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: rewarding when you're in the business of coaching and trying 474 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: to make players better. I think it is very valuable 475 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: to be in that position and the manager themselves. We're 476 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: usually smart enough not to blame the manager every time 477 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: that a team backslides like that. Skip is not gone 478 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: because there's concern about his ability to get the job 479 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: done and that he's at fault for some reason about 480 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: what happened in twenty twenty four. Ultimately, it's the plays 481 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: that have far and away the biggest influence on winning 482 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: and losing games, and yet you know, the experience still 483 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: tests you and how much you really want to be 484 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: a part of it if you're going to go significant 485 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: chunks of a season knowing that you're out of contention, 486 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: like how do you stay motivated? And more importantly, how 487 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: do you keep your players motivated and growing in the 488 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: right direction even when the main goal that they have 489 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: entering the year is seemingly out of reach for so 490 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: much of the summer. So Venible has been a part 491 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: of that. And this isn't you know, it's not a 492 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: knock on Alberta as it's more so that Venible has 493 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: been privileged to work alongside some of the best managers 494 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: of his generation of previous generations. His first major league 495 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: coaching gig was with Joe Madden. Joe Madden who was 496 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: just was innovative for the time that he took over 497 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: in terms of the creative ways that he went about 498 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: connecting with players into keeping morale up, integrating front office 499 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: feedback in terms of defensive positioning from his time in 500 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, and how do he best utilize his roster. 501 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: It's just an extremely creative mind when it came to 502 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: in game maneuvering as well, that Venable had a front 503 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: row seat to that for a couple of seasons in Chicago, 504 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: and then he goes to Boston. Alex Cora, I guess 505 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: you would say that's a separate generation from Madden. He's 506 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: one of the best managers of this current generation. He's 507 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: won a World Series right before Benable joined his staff, 508 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: and the perspective of riding shotgun to Alex Cora, I 509 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: think is really valuable as well. Then, most recently, going 510 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: back a generation again, it's Bruce Bochi these past two years, 511 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: a future Hall of Fame manager, including that most recent 512 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: run in twenty twenty three, a four time World Series 513 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: winning manager, and something of a throwback in this current 514 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: environment where the trend has been it seems that managers 515 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: themselves are making less of the playing time decisions when 516 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: it comes to their guys, that they're incorporating more of 517 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: the information that others in the organization in the front 518 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: office are able to dig up for them and putting 519 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: that to best use. That even in this time, like 520 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: Bruce Boci is somebody that still had a leash in 521 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: order to make some creative decisions on his own, just 522 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: based on his own experience and those Venvolt was there 523 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: to see those decisions actually pay off in the most 524 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: important environments possible. So he's been he's been a World 525 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: Series champ. Yeah, I don't think the difference in their 526 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: playing careers. The fact that one was the lifetime minor 527 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: leaguer and that the other one spent almost a decade 528 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: as a major league player, maybe that's had some cachet 529 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: with players that it's easier for players to receive a 530 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: message from somebody that actually had success at the highest level. 531 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: But I think more so AD's credibility. If you've been 532 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: around the teams that made the World Series, and if 533 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: you've been around managers in both in Madden and in 534 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: Kora and in Bochi, that is three managers that combined 535 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: to win six World Series titles so far in their careers, 536 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: with Quora not being quite Don yet and Boci nothing 537 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: quite Don yet, all that experience being able to be 538 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: on their staff and soaking that in that would to me, 539 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: I think that better positions venable to hit the ground 540 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: running in this particular job, understanding that there's coming to 541 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: a team right now that doesn't have realistic World Series aspirations. 542 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: You would hope, though, at some point during the length 543 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: of this managerial contract, whether it's a three year deal, 544 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: four year deal, something like that, that before the end 545 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: of the deal, the Marlins are, you would think, are 546 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: going to make some sort of push to try to 547 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: be a postseason team. Again, the fact that that Venible 548 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: was able to just soak in the knowledge from those 549 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: guys in most of those cases a couple of those 550 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: Boche cases and maybe was known of course that was 551 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: the division winner, but in some Bochie cases he had 552 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: wild card teams that went all the way into the 553 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: World Series as well. And that is like, realistically what 554 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: the Marlins are shooting for right now. They've never won 555 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,239 Speaker 1: a National League East Division title. I don't know if 556 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: they ever will, and frankly, they don't need to in 557 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: order to reach their ultimate goal. We see, with twenty 558 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: twenty four being exception and a lot of these other 559 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: postseason years that the teams that make it the furthest 560 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: are the ones that don't necessarily rack up wins during 561 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: the regular season. So I just think the perspective that 562 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: Venable has had to this point in his life is 563 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: I think it just adds a lot of credibility to 564 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: people in that clubhouse. I think guys are more likely 565 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: to listen to him and respect him on day one 566 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: than they would Craig Albernez. And again, this is not 567 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: a flaw in Albernaz. I just look at the circumstances 568 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 1: here where he's had this very personal history with both 569 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: Bendix and with a Gabe Kapler, and I don't think 570 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: it's any secret at all that that is a big 571 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: role in terms of why he was high on their 572 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: managerial candidate list and why he was part of the 573 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: reason why he is a finalist, and why they're so 574 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: comfortable bring him in. To this point, the fact that 575 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: we're able to know this looking at it from the 576 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,479 Speaker 1: player's perspective as well. The players are able to see 577 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: that as well. And I just wonder if there's going 578 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: to be not a universally held opinion, but in certain cases, 579 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: whether there are guys are going to look at him 580 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: in a certain way that maybe he did not earn 581 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: this gig quite as as much as you'd want somebody 582 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: to do it, that this could be a little bit 583 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: more about the personal history with Marlin's front office than 584 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: it is about him actually being the best guy and 585 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: the right guy for the job at this exact time. 586 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: That's going to be the perception, in my opinion that 587 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: because this was so this was almost not not guaranteed 588 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: from when they started the process, but the fact that 589 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: he had an inside track to get this gig, if 590 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: how that's going to go over well with you know, 591 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: the players themselves once things get underway, and ultimately I 592 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: just wonder about the coaching staffs that both of these 593 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: guys are going to put together. Skip just using the 594 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: most recent example, he was effusive in his praise of 595 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: how valuable his coaches were and how they made him better, 596 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: and they it up to his blind spots, et cetera. 597 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: And I totally believe in that. So thenable you'd think 598 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: that he just has kind of a broader network of 599 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: potential coaches to bring into his his his staff now 600 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: just because of the fact that he was a big 601 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: leaguer and he was able to whether it's bringing some 602 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: former players that he was with, but more likely just 603 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: other veteran coaches that maybe coached him not all that 604 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: long ago, having them now on the other side being 605 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: part of his staff and helping him get this next 606 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: generation of players to improve that just because of the 607 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: experiences that he's been through. I'll oriigerate. These are kind 608 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: of things that are out of the individual person's control. 609 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't make minible better, but it's I 610 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: think the fact that he's a second generation major league player, 611 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: that his and one that spent some time in the 612 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: big leagues was now closely connected with these very influential 613 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: managers at his previous stops, that he's just really well 614 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: positioned in order to take advantage of this opportunity right now. Yeah, 615 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: on the other side, you wonder if the fact that 616 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: Venable interviewed for so many managerial gigs over this last 617 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: half decade, that if that gave put him in a 618 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: position where he could come across really well in interviews 619 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: for somebody that's gone so many reps going shooting for 620 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: this exact job with different teams over the last half decade, 621 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: as somebody that kind of came out of the blue 622 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: when it came to the Marlin search, like he was 623 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: not a name that popped up during most of October. 624 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: Just over the last week came out that he was 625 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: a finalist, despite it being unclear whether or not he 626 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: was even on the Marlins radar that unsurprisingly he impressed 627 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: them with his virtual interview before coming in for the 628 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: in person interview in recent days, Yeah, it's not surprising 629 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: that he would do well in an interview as a 630 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: Princeton educated, Princeton alum and somebody that has been through 631 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 1: this exact process so many times, whereas with Albernaz interviewing 632 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: to be a manager, this was only his I guess 633 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: if you include both of the gigs, this was just 634 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: a second cycle of being on the radar as a 635 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: big league manager. So in that case, you know he 636 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: didn't have the same leg up that Venable did. Right there. 637 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: This is still unofficial, of course, so we'll just have 638 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: to We'll be checking in with our sources that ficial 639 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: on first in order to get some confirmation about Albernaz, 640 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: and if he is indeed the guy, pretty soon he 641 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: will make it official and we'll get to know him 642 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 1: a lot better. That is what I mentioned up top, 643 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 1: and I think that's the most important takeaway. That's hard 644 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: to know these people much at all. From afar, I 645 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: did as best I could to listen to these guys 646 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: and read up on them and look into their backgrounds, 647 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: and both of them really impressive right here. I think 648 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: the White Sox made a great higher and the White 649 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: Sox are in good hands. And if the Marlins end 650 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: up getting out, and as it's an extremely safe pick, yeah, 651 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: it's a high floor selection right here. Somebody that the organization, 652 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: the decision makers in this organization know so so well, 653 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: and he is certainly put in a lot of time 654 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: in order to be to learn player developments and to 655 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: learn coaching, and uh yeah, I enjoy listening to him, 656 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: not just for his accent, but I enjoy the fundamentals 657 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: that he takes into being a coach and taking his 658 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: job really seriously. He's he's very passionate about getting guys 659 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,919 Speaker 1: to improve and finding ways to get that message through 660 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 1: and customizing that messaging in order to make players better. 661 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: So I think on both counts well, in the Marlins 662 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: count they have a little bit more talent available to 663 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: them and next man up than the White Sox do. 664 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: That it would not be surprising at all to me 665 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: if Marlins take off relatively quickly under this first time 666 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,479 Speaker 1: manager in Craig Alvinez. Once again, happy birthday wishes to him. 667 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: As you're probably listening to this on Alvinez's forty second 668 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: birthday right here, and yeah, we expect this to all 669 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: be official soon after a month of the process playing 670 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: out in front of us. That means the real MLB 671 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: offseason about to be in full swing. Once this World 672 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: Series wraps up any day now, then there's gonna be 673 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: that flurry of activity from roster moves and rumors, and 674 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a whole lot of fun. This month 675 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: of October has not been a ton of fun for me. 676 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: I just I've alluded to it a couple of times 677 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: that this whole process I kind of throw my hands 678 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: up when it comes to coaches and managers trying to 679 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: evaluate them from afar because it's so intangible and it's 680 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: so relationship driven. Right here, the most important thing is 681 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: that you have an organization as all aligned on where 682 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: this where they want to go in the future. So 683 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: as frustrating it was that Skip Schumacher isn't part of 684 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: the Marl's moving forward, and as it turns out, barring 685 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: some sort of surprise opening, looks like Skip is going 686 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: to be away from major league managing. During the twenty 687 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: twenty five season, he was in a situation where the 688 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: powers that be above him changed and he was still 689 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: in place, and if they were not totally alignes on things, 690 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: then it's understandable that you'd want to fresh start elsewhere where. 691 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: He was more in tune with whoever was driving the boat. 692 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: Per se on the front office side, wishing Skip the 693 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: best of luck wherever he lands in whatever role he 694 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: lands in. Moving forward, Craig albernaz era should be beginning 695 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: in just a matter of days. We'll have it covered 696 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: here on Fish On First and uh yeah, but I 697 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: think the White Sox got a good one and Will 698 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: Venable as well. I think he among all the guys 699 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: in this cycle that didn't have previous managerial experience, I 700 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,919 Speaker 1: think Venable is so well positioned to hit the ground 701 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 1: running and yeah, to overachieve with wherever he goes, and 702 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: they'll have to overachieve a lot in Chicago in order 703 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: to be relevant, just considering the low point that they're 704 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: starting from. 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