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Speaker 1: in the universe? Loving to see your smiling faces? There? Smiling? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Diana and I'm Eli, and we are so so glad

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Speaker 1: that you're here because we have some great stories to tell. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But first the Expanse trailer. What do you think? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god? All right, we're to talk about this. Y'all

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Speaker 1: are watching the Expanse, right, I know we've talked about it,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not going to spend the whole podcast on it.

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Speaker 1: But so good. It's so good, So go watch it

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Speaker 1: pushed through the first few episodes and then you'll be hooked.

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Speaker 1: And it's the best, just one of the best sci

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Speaker 1: on and on about our nonsense uh TV obsessions, but

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Speaker 1: love it. Yes, it's very cool and big thanks to

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Speaker 1: our dear friend Germaine Germaine suggestion at dog Petersburg on Instagram. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we love Germaine. Don't Germaine for a long time, longer

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Speaker 1: ridiculous story. Yeah why wait, hey the French come listen. Well,

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Speaker 1: Eli and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no matchmaking,

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Speaker 1: all romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships a lover.

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. So before she was sort Juana

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Speaker 1: you out? Why need I stress that I'm true when

421
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: every one of your features betokens my enslavement? It is

422
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: here I need, I need a sip of water. Excuse him? Yeah,

423
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, Phillis is talking about Maria Louisa, as

424
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: historians have said it is. Then come on, that's praying

425
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: for the soul. As you well know, distance and sex

426
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: don't count. Like She's like, it don't matter how far

427
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: away you are or what gender you are, it's you

428
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: speaking to you. Yeah, absolutely so, I guess taking the

429
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: line that you're a woman far away is no hindrance

430
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: to my love. Maria Louisa made sure that she was

431
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: not a woman far away and made regular trips to

432
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: the convent to spend time with sword Juanna and get

433
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: to know her better and better. Now, it must be said,

434
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: there is no telling if they actually had a physical

435
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: relationship at all. Octavio Paz has a book that's called

436
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: sort Juanna inst de la Cruz las trampas de la

437
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: Faye or the Traps of the Faith, and a widely

438
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: discussed element of her life and her relationships was crossing

439
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: her religious devotion against her feelings and impulses. So the

440
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Legacy Project writes that sort Juanna herself wrote that she

441
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: was on those parts dividada, or divided into two parts,

442
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: torn between passion and reason, sensuality and religious devotion. So

443
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: it's possible, based on all existing evidence, that she loved

444
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: Maria Louisa, she was in love with her, but still

445
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: remained celibate. In the Lpis interview, Pawn says he thinks

446
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: that it was a quote intense but chaste relationship, but

447
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean speculation station like, if they were going to

448
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: keep any part of this quiet, it would be that part.

449
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean, She's not very true right down anywhere. By

450
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: the way, with Maria Louisa last night, you know, she's

451
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: not going to tell anybody. She doesn't have any secret

452
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: symbol like Dorothy right right, There may be no evidence

453
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: of it, so we're left in speculation station or spec

454
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: God it still rhymes. Yeah, So yeah, we don't know

455
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: if they were actually having a physical sexual, freaky diggy

456
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: romance or whatever, but they certainly were having what seems

457
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: to be a romance of the heart at the very least.

458
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: And now I think we should probably take a little

459
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: romance with these commercials. That sounds good to me, and

460
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: we welcome back to the show. These vice Roys had

461
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: sore Juana's back, you know, as a result of this

462
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: great relationship she had with Maria Louisa, Because this is

463
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: a smart, powerful feminist woman in a very conservative seventeenth

464
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: century Catholic setting, so obviously not everyone was particularly fond

465
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: of what she was writing and saying, and she was

466
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: not someone to hold back because of anyone's feelings about it.

467
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: So it's really nice that she had this good relationship

468
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: with the vice Roys because unlikely she would have written

469
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: as much without it. Yeah, she would have gotten a

470
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: lot more trouble a lot faster, and in the mid

471
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: sixteen eighties she wrote a poem titled You Foolish Men.

472
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: I love that title so good. I mean she, I mean,

473
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: she was like, let me just tell you what this

474
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: is about. I don't want anyone to be shocked when

475
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: they get to my thesis. I'm not dealing with metaphor here. Yeah,

476
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: this is straightforward. It is lengthy, so we did not

477
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: want to include the whole thing. But here are you?

478
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: You choice stands is you foolish men who lay the

479
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: guilt on women, not seeing you're the cause of the

480
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: very thing you blame. If you invite their disdain with

481
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: measureless desire, why wish they well behave? If you incite

482
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: to ill with foolish arrogance, you hope to find a

483
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: these in her you court, but a lucretia when you've

484
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: possessed her. What kind of mind is otter than his

485
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: who misss a mirror and then complains that it's not

486
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: clear their favor and disdain you hold an equal state.

487
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: If they mistreat you, complain, you mock. If they treat

488
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: you well, no woman wins esteem of you. The most

489
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: modest is ungrateful if she refuses to admit you. Yet

490
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: if she does, she's loose. Oh my god, so I

491
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: blew up my microphone, but look well, well blown, well blown,

492
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, I can only speak to

493
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: my observational experience. But don't that say it all? I

494
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: mean seriously, I mean this was years ago and she's

495
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: saying all the same. She could put this on Twitter

496
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: today to today and everyone be like, word, uh phase

497
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: that the Stanza with foolish arrogance. You hope to find

498
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: a phase in her u court. But Lucretia, when you

499
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: possessed her, phase was a prostitute that Alexander the Great

500
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: had with him, And Lucretia was a noble woman in

501
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: Rome who had been raped and chose to commit suicide

502
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: to preserve her family's honor. So basically, she's saying here

503
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: that old adage like that women are always saying about men,

504
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: which is like, so you are always looking to date

505
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: sexy sluts, But then when it comes to like a

506
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: woman you're actually going to judge for whether or not

507
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: she's good enough for you, You're gonna be like, well,

508
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: she's got to be so pure and untouched, so much

509
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: so that she'd kill herself if she was unsullied, you know,

510
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: rather than dirty my family name or whatever, like I mean,

511
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: she's just nailing it right, Oh my god, yeah, exactly.

512
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: Every single stands of this poem is as biting and

513
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: insanely accurate as all the rest of it. I mean.

514
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: And again, it's just kind of galling that it's been

515
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: so many hundreds of years and it's all not the same,

516
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: because that's not true. But a lot of that is

517
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: still the same and still very pleasant. I feel like

518
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: it could be translated very easily to modern reversation. Yeah,

519
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: she could. Again, she she this is like her medium

520
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: piece about how girls get sent home for spaghetti straps

521
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: in high school, you know what I mean. And she's like,

522
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: why is my education less important than your freaking thoughts

523
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: being gross? Because you're gross, and like you're doing this

524
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: to yourselves. Yea. Also, I really love that what kind

525
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: of mind is otter than his? Who miss a mirror

526
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: and then complains that it's not clear, right, eric Andre meme,

527
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: But the gun raised like why would miss a mirror?

528
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: Why would this mirror not be clear? Maybe you're not

529
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: surprised to hear that the men of the court were

530
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: a little heffy and puffy about this whole poem. They

531
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: didn't really they didn't like that poem. You wrote criticism.

532
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I never how I should have to listen to that

533
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: at any time. But yeah, thanks to her relationship with

534
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: the viceroys, and you know, whether it was both the

535
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: vice roys or if it was mainly just Maria Luisa

536
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: who was like, let's protect my favorite nun which will

537
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: be coming out soon on ABC. You saw the movie

538
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: poster that, Oh yeah, absolutely, it's Anna da Armas. Anna

539
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: da Armas would be a great choice. Anna Darmos would

540
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: be perfect. So just protect my favorite Nune. That could

541
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: be a movie on ABC. Regardless, she had major protection

542
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: from these vice roys, so she's able to get away

543
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: with saying stuff like this, and because basically the two

544
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: most powerful people in the colony were like hands off,

545
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: so or Juana, she's my girl. Um so yeah, that

546
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: allowed her to not only continue her work but also

547
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: to draw the attention of all of Mexico's greatest minds

548
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: and progressive thinkers. Yeah. Then in so want to finished

549
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: a play that she was writing, and she presented it

550
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: as part of these birthday celebrations that were going on

551
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: for Maria Luisa's firstborn child. The play was called most

552
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: impenos Nasa, which is translated to House of Desires as

553
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: the English title. She dedicated the show to Maria Louisa.

554
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: And it's a comedic play that's written in verse about

555
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: like two pairs of people who are falling for each other,

556
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: but circumstances beyond their control keep pushing them apart, like

557
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: a very situational comedy might say. The lead character is

558
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: a strong willed nun who isn't afraid to speak her mind.

559
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: Are you're gonna wonder where the inspiration for that came from? Right? What?

560
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: You know? So the play is full of like mistaken

561
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: identities and silly like cross jesting disguises and like whoops,

562
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to fall in love with you through

563
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: the window. I thought you were the woman, you know,

564
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: that kind of goofy stuff. You know. I want to

565
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: sounds love to see a production absolutely, And in the end,

566
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: everyone who's supposed to wind up together does comedy. The

567
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: only guy who ends up alone is this dude who

568
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: had tried to deceive a woman away from her boyfriend,

569
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: so he ends up, you know, all by himself because

570
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going to write this dick into the

571
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: show and he's going to lose in the end. We

572
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: have a jest punishment. Now. The script includes three songs

573
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: where basically the play just stops and they turn out

574
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: and they sing praise specifically to Maria Louisa. This is

575
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: like written into the show three you know. I mean

576
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: it was dedicated to her, and it was for like

577
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: the birth of her son. But this whole play, it

578
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: was like, hang on, let's stop the action for a

579
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: minute and just sing a little song about Maria Louisa.

580
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: They they were called Divine Lisie, let pass Tender, beautiful

581
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: Flower Bud, and eventually beautiful Maria, where I guess she

582
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: just dropped the subtext and was like, hey, look this

583
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: lady's hot. I'm not gonna yeah, we got flowers we're

584
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: singing about. There's sure there's a woman named all that

585
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: aside this lady right here, I'm talking about Maria. I

586
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: think she's sexy. So I think we should head right

587
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: back into poetry corner. And here a piece of her poem,

588
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: divine Leasie, my divine Leasie, forgive me, my darling to

589
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: address you as such, unworthy, though I am known to

590
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: be yours. It's the tongue that misspeaks. When what is

591
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: called dominion, I mean, the master's rule is made to

592
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: seem possession by the slave. The vassal says, my king,

593
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: my prison, the convict says, And any humble slave will

594
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: call the master his without offense. Thus, when I call

595
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: you mine, it's not that I expect you'll be considered such,

596
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: only that I hope I may be yours. Seeing you

597
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: so exalt it does not prevent my daring. No god

598
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: is ever secure against the lofty flight of human thought.

599
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: There are women more deserving. Yet in distance from Heaven,

600
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: the humblest of valleys seems no farther than the highest

601
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: peak in some I must admit to the crime of

602
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: adoring you. Should you wish to punish me, the very

603
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: punishment will be reward. I mean, oh, girl, there's something

604
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: going on here. She didn't have to write all that

605
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: damn that was If you want to punish me, I

606
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: feel like it's just dropping all pretense here, right. I

607
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: love this poem like this, This is like I read

608
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: this and I was like, oh, this is what people

609
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: feel when they read poems that speak to them, you know,

610
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: just I don't know, just the way she plays with words,

611
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: and it's like when I say your mind, I mean

612
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm yours, and sing up all these other examples of

613
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: when you say that, that's very interesting. I was about

614
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: to say, that's such an interesting way of putting it.

615
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: The vassal says, my king, he doesn't mean you belong

616
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: to me, he means I belong to you. That that's

617
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: so good, that dissection of language and it translates. Yeah.

618
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: I think it's really impressive too, because a lot of

619
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: times possessives and things like that will be a little

620
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: different between languages. But they nailed this translation. Shout out

621
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: to the translator as well. It's very difficult work. Who

622
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: like squid game is learning, which I found this on

623
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: poets dot org, so I'm not sure exactly the translator was,

624
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: but um, but yeah, I mean, you know, there's a historian,

625
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: Bruno Chavez, who pointed out that there's a huge difference

626
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: in her attitude in her poems if she's writing about love,

627
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: depending on if she's talking about men or if she's

628
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: talking about women. Oh that's interesting. Yeah, obviously we've heard

629
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: a few poems now about how she thinks about Maria Luisa,

630
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: and it's pretty clear how she feels about love in

631
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: this situation, like whether it's you know, the punishment is

632
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: my reward, or it's just like, hey, I know that

633
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: we can't be together, but I just like, I'm just

634
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: gonna say it, Yeah, I wish we could. So here's

635
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: a little poem about her experience in love with men.

636
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: He who most ungrateful leaves me I belove, and he

637
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: who devoted pursues me. I dare leave thus constantly I

638
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: adore who makes me grieve. I grieve who ever constant

639
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: offers love. When I offer my love a diamond hardens

640
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: and a diamond, I am to sweet affection, great victory.

641
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: I want for cruel rejection, and I kill he who

642
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: fills with mirth my gardens. If I'm kind to one,

643
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: I waste my fierce desire. If I beg love, I

644
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: compromise my glory in either way. In despair my life,

645
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm meyer, and yet I choose to live the better

646
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: story by being to one unloved the raging fire, than

647
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: to a scornful heart, A nonsense hoary. She's so good. Yeah,

648
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you're kind of analyzing it

649
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: cross referencing these two styles of poem, Like you're saying,

650
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: it really gives this sensation of like, man, I love

651
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: this woman and that's just all there is to it.

652
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: And I've got I've got, I'm singing to the heavens

653
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: and the valleys about how much I love this lady,

654
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: no matter how complicated it is. Distance, distance sets mean

655
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: nothing nothing. Yeah. But then yeah, yeah, but then when

656
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: she's talking about these guys, she's like, boy, it is tough,

657
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: and I just can't seem to get the hang of it. Man,

658
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: y'all all make me crazy in one way or another. Yeah,

659
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. It does seem a lot harder

660
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: for her to figure out how to be with men,

661
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: whether romantically or not. Right, she certainly has a lot

662
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: of criticisms. Yeah, all right, I mean again, you can

663
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of see why in the society that she's she's

664
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: caged up in. You're kind to see why in this society, right,

665
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean true, True, she didn't happen. She didn't have

666
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: an ELI, you know what I mean. There might have

667
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: been any lie there at the time, but he did

668
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: not cross her path at any point, Thank you well,

669
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: don't make me regret it. But all good things must

670
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: come to an end, and in sixteen eighties six the

671
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: Viceroy's position did come to an end. Um It had

672
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: actually already been extended by three years by King Charles

673
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: the Second of Spain um, so he had already been

674
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: there longer than he should. But now it was time

675
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: to hand over the reins to the successor. So in

676
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: six eight he and his wife Maria Louisa left to

677
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: return to Spain and work in the government there. So

678
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: Sori Juanna wasn't just sad that this woman, she clearly

679
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: cared about quite a lot, this woman's leaving. So there's

680
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, heartbreaking all by itself, But it also meant

681
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: that a lot of her political protection was going away too,

682
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: And there's like a new faction in town, and who

683
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: knows what they'll like and not like. So by six

684
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: ninety the Church was getting pretty nervous about the influence

685
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: that sri Wana was having on other Catholic women, because

686
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: she's writing all these you foolish men. For some reason,

687
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: women are reading it and going, oh, this resonates with me.

688
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but this resonates with me. And uh,

689
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: the church was like, if all these Catholic women start

690
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: to agree with Sri Juana and follow her and her footsteps,

691
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: it could disrupt the whole social hierarchy. Oh my god,

692
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: what a nightmare. Cats and dogs living together. But what

693
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: if we have no one to blame but ourselves? Oh no,

694
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: the world is ending? Hello God, are we missing mirrors? Guys?

695
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: Why is this mirror so foggy? Someone get a woman

696
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: in here to clean this mirror. So yeah, they were worried,

697
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: all right, they were worried. So long comes this loser,

698
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: Manuel Fernandez, the Bishop of Tuebla, And he goes down

699
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: into some archives somewhere and he's like, I'm just so

700
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: fed up with women thinking they can think and talk

701
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: and read and be smart all the time. So frustrating.

702
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to find something to destroy this sort of

703
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: Juanna and neez de la Cruz. So he starts digging

704
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: through old writings, like pages and pages of letters and

705
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: poll hms and scripts, and he's just trying to find

706
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: anything that he can use that's damning enough, you know,

707
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: to put the boot on her neck. Basically, you know,

708
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: he's basically going through her Twitter feed, you know, kind

709
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: of trying to get some old tweets pulled up to

710
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: I'll cancel and see if I don't, And sure enough,

711
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: there's always that one little tweet that gets you. He

712
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: dug up this old critique she had written in a

713
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: letter of some forty year old sermon by a Portuguese

714
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Jesuit preacher, where she was basically, I mean again, in

715
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: a private letter to like a friend somewhere. She's just like, oh,

716
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: dug up this old sermon by a Portuguese Jesuit. What

717
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: a dumbass this guy sucks, he's unfair to women. Uh.

718
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: And Bishop Fernandez basically pulls it out and it's like, yes,

719
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: I found her kryptonite. Wow, what a villain. Villain of

720
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: the week, Bishop Fernandez, or like a bit shop boy.

721
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: Catholics are going to come for you. And before we

722
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: find out what happens with this letter, I think we

723
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: should take a quick commercial break. And we're back and

724
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: we're about to find out what a bishop that bitch

725
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: is going to do with this damning tweet, I mean letter.

726
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: So yes, Bishop Fernandez takes this letter which he dug

727
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: up that start Juana had written. It was a private

728
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: letter again because it's a letter, and he went ahead

729
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: and published it without her permission, without talking to he

730
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: or anything. He published this letter and with it he

731
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: included an open letter of his own. But he wrote

732
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: that like in disguise, he used pen name as if

733
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: it were written by another nun. So he wrote like

734
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: a woman's up ed as a man pretending to be

735
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: a woman. Speaking of tweets, it's like that white guy

736
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: that was like, as a black man living in the South,

737
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't like this politics, or you forgot to switch

738
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: accounts because this this is a white guy. Oh wow, yeah,

739
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: just like that. So he signed it sort of Pilotia,

740
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: and he wrote about her like, oh, I appreciate what

741
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: sort Juanna is saying here, but it's really a waste

742
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: of time. A smart woman like her and me, I'm

743
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: also a woman, shouldn't be out there, you know, wasting

744
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: their womanly brains by making controversial statements like this and

745
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: shunning men for their perfectly logical beliefs when she could

746
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: be using her talents for more spiritual matters. I mean,

747
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: after all, she did choose to be a nun. Am

748
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: I right, folks, you know, less shunning more nunning. I

749
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: always say, like you know, women shouldn't strive to learn

750
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: about all these different philosophical topics and stuff like that,

751
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: and frankly, you know, women should stay pretty limited in

752
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: what they're studying. And you can take it from me

753
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: a real woman nun. As you can see from my

754
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: signature sword Fiona or or Philotier or whatever whatever I

755
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 1: said before, is my name. That's my name. So yeah,

756
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: I mean, just absurd that he's like, that's so dirty,

757
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: that he's such a dirty, dirty game, Like I'm going

758
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: to wow, Well, other women are clearly saying that that

759
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: sort wanna should shut up when they weren't. That was

760
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: literally you in like letter drag, leather drag, unbelievable. Well,

761
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: surely Sorwana read that and quietly said, oh, well, I

762
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: guess I'll just keep my mouth shut then, you know.

763
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: If no, of course not. Obviously, have you been listening

764
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: to this story at all? She obviously said hell no

765
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: to any of that. Ship. She cracked her knuckles, she

766
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: got out her best quill, whole ream of paper, and

767
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: she started writing a response. And her reply was the

768
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: now famous respuesta Asore Philotia and is considered to be

769
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: the first feminist manifesto. Um, it's about six times as

770
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: long as has the bishop's letter, drag letter whatever, and

771
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: it talks a lot about her own life and her

772
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: own education and the struggles she had to overcome just

773
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: to damn learn something. Barry Taylor, who's the curator of

774
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 1: Hispanic Studies at the British Library, has a breakdown. He says,

775
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: she just starts laying out all these many women biblical

776
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: pagan as well as contemporary who had been poets and

777
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: intellectuals and scholars. She starts busting out biblical reference is

778
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: that the church lists as justifications for keeping women uneducated,

779
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: and she points out that they're very loose interpretations that

780
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: could just as easily allow for women to be educated

781
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: and have discourse and agency. Like for example, it says

782
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: only men shall study in the church, and she's like, well,

783
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: to me, that means women can study outside the church,

784
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: like in their homes. So that's what I'm doing. Like

785
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: the bishops took it as like, oh, in the church,

786
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: as in religious people oldly men can study and she's like, no,

787
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: I'm you mean in the physical, physical church. Yeah. So

788
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: she's straight up like I could be a lawyer too,

789
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: and I'm fully like we could argue about the spirit

790
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: of the letter of this law all day long. I'm ready. Uh.

791
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: She also said the church had some problems with poetry,

792
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: but the Bible is pretty much mostly poetry. So what's

793
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: wrong with you guys? Um, she's just laying it out

794
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: point by point a stupid this damn letter is from

795
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: this fake nun. Yeah. She goes on to say that

796
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: if the church put women, specifically older women, in positions

797
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: of authority, then you could just have women educating other women,

798
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: which already is good because now you're getting women educating,

799
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: you're starting that cycle. But also bonus side effect of that,

800
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you'll have had some troubles when you

801
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: have these older men teaching young girls, like especially in

802
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: intimate subjects. Uh. Maybe we could just dodge that whole problem, y'all. Hey,

803
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: anybody noticed that that's been kind of a problem in

804
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: the past. Can at least give it a whirl. Yeah,

805
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: So she went after the attitude towards sex workers, saying, quote,

806
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: who sends more, she who sends for pay, or he

807
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: who pays for sin. You know, you got one finger

808
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: pointed and four point back at you, three point back

809
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: at you. How many fingers. I'm doing it, and it's yeah,

810
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: there's one point at three you and then like your

811
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: thumb is pointed, your thumb is pointed to God, is

812
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: blaming God? I guess if it's like a gun, your

813
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: thumb is pointed up. But if you're like, if you're

814
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: like you did it, now, my thumb is also pointed

815
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: at you. That's right. I hope that everyone listening right

816
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: now is mimicking a pointing motion and going on this

817
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: ride with me, because I'm deep in like handed at

818
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: me right now. All right, you have two pointed at

819
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: you and three point yes for five fingers total. All right.

820
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: Also sort of Wanna said that it's absurd for anyone

821
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: to care about what she does with her own mind.

822
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: She's like, that's my mind. It's not affecting anyone else.

823
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it was, and she knew it was. But

824
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the times she like was writing stuff,

825
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: but she would write like, I'm not even a good writer,

826
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 1: and she knew, damn well, she was a good writer,

827
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: you know well. And in this case, she's right because

828
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: that letter was a private letter. It was not to

829
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: read it reading and getting you know, their opinions from

830
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: it was just like, oh, yeah, I read that sermon

831
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: you sent me, and this is what I thought of it. Yeah. Yeah.

832
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: And in response to the idea that women should be

833
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: more concerned with the home while men take on, you know,

834
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: an education, she famously says quote one can perfectly well

835
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: philosophize while cooking supper. She's like, I don't know about you,

836
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: but I can multitask. This is an either or thing.

837
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: Pat like, she doesn't. She's not even like, I'm not

838
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: even gonna get into why don't you cook dinner once

839
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: in a while. It's just that gets you. A girl

840
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: who could do both, yeah, they can cook at the

841
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: same time gets you, and men who can do both.

842
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: So of course, you know, the church saw all this response.

843
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: They read her very long, well thought out rest Buesta,

844
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: and they got together and they were like, well, damn,

845
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, she's a very smart person who makes some

846
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: very good points, and guys, I I think that it's

847
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: time that the Catholic Church rethinks our position on women

848
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: and their education. And then they went good. One, of

849
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: course not the church got all in her face and

850
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: was like, what do you mean, how can you say this?

851
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? What's this interpretation, Are

852
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: you going to take that back? And she's like, jeez,

853
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: what's with all the questions. I didn't expect the Spanish

854
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: inquisition because nobody expects the Spanish inquisition. The Archbishop of Mexico,

855
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: Francisco to Aguiar say Yes, got involved and joined with

856
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: other high ranking officials to condemn her waywardness and criticize

857
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: her methods, and they called her out for all her

858
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: outrageous views. They said she was foolish for believing that

859
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: all her fancy writing was anywhere near as valuable is

860
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: good old fashioned community work, wow, Like basically like, but

861
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: what about your kids? Yeah? I mean they're trying to

862
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: make her look like like a liberal elite, you know, like, oh,

863
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: you're so fancy and your ivory tower. They're writing your

864
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: things and reading and studying and being smart when you

865
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: could be down here, like handing out bread to the poor,

866
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: like like those things don't have different values, you know,

867
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: Like right, They really tried to make her look like

868
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: this selfish snob, you know, for the public. Basically, they

869
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 1: were trying to a smear campaign so that you wouldn't

870
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: read her manifesto and decided you were better off with

871
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: that a foolish man. Yeah, and shortly after in it

872
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: seems as though she stopped writing altogether, So I guess

873
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: the pressure worked. Yeah, Sadly. It's unclear exactly how the

874
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: next few years all went down, um, but what's known

875
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: is that in her entire library was sold away. Some

876
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: say it was at the demand of the church that

877
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: she get rid of all of her books and her

878
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: writings and everything, um. Others say she did it to

879
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: help the poor with you know, the earnings from the sales. Yeah,

880
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: probably felt if I can't study anyway, they're just sitting

881
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: here not doing anyone any good, So fine, sell them

882
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: and let me do something good with that money. Which

883
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, I mean in either case, it meant

884
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: the same thing that she felt like she couldn't study anymore. Yeah. Yeah,

885
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: they got They really got to her. Um. And in

886
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: six she signed documents of penance denouncing her previous statements

887
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: and heretical beliefs. But she left an important historical message

888
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: when she signed one of them. Yo lap de todas

889
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: or I the worst of all, which is awesome. Oh,

890
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: I look at me. I'm literally the worst thing in

891
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: the world. Because I'm a smart woman. I read and wrote,

892
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: is this Christ, how horrible? Burn me at the stake?

893
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: Thank you for not for taking me in after all

894
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 1: this heresy? How dare I learned something and tell people

895
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: what I learned? Right? That is dope, Like she's the same,

896
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: just as such a biting wit about her and her writing.

897
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: That's so pointed and great, and I love that. They

898
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: were probably too dumb to get it. They were probably like, oh, yeah,

899
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: we really broke her. She thinks she's the worst. That's

900
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: exactly what we wanted. And she's like, yeah, sure, we'll

901
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: see what the history books say, you foolish man. And

902
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,479
Speaker 1: look what the history books say. They say, y'all suck.

903
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: And she's amazing. But she had gone to Mexico City

904
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: to help tend to sick nuns. There was a plague

905
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: going on that kind of swept through that area of Typhus,

906
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: and sadly, while attending these people, as was very common,

907
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: she contracted the illness herself, and April seventeenth of that

908
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: same year in she died of the sickness at only

909
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: forty six years old. Yeah. The last reprint of her

910
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: original works was in seventeen twenty five. According to tiff

911
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: Reagan of tiff Love's words dot com. The first modern

912
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,919
Speaker 1: edition of her poetry wasn't published until nineteen forty, that's

913
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: like two hundred plus years later. Her convent now is

914
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: the University of the Cloister of s Lana, and as

915
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: we said, her hometown is now named after her as well.

916
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: And her face is on Mexico's hundred pasto bill, which

917
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: in the year was named bank Note of the Year

918
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: by the International bank Notes Society, which is apparently a

919
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: thing which apparently hands out the award for bank Note

920
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: of the Year. I guess it's nice to be designed

921
00:59:54,560 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: a bank note to but I definitely like they have

922
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: an award for that. It is some beautiful artistry. Somebody

923
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: put it together. I gotta say, you know, as an American,

924
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: like our bills are CONDI boring. It's like one picture

925
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: of a dude, dead white guy, some dead white guy

926
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: on the back, green like a dull like faded forest green,

927
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: weird Illuminati pyramid. You know. I tweeted this the other day,

928
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: but why do we who decided that the president's face

929
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: was on the front of the bill. It's not like

930
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: you have to read that part first. I say, you know,

931
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: what I say, the pyramids on the front and George

932
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: Washington's on the back. How does that sound? Why not?

933
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: Let's let's sake it up. That's the front and the back,

934
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, and we all just accepted it like a

935
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: bunch of If it was like the back of George

936
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: Washington's head on the other side, then I'd be like, ohah,

937
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: front and back. Oh my god, can we please change

938
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: all the money to be the backs of their heads? Please?

939
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: That would be so funny to me. On the back

940
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: of his head, he's like Abraham's got a great head

941
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: of hair. I don't want to compete with that. All right, Well, anyway,

942
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: now that we've redesigned the money, let's get back to

943
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: so Maria Luisa. You know, I wondered what happened to

944
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: Maria Luisa? Are you writing poetry for sore Wana or anything?

945
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: And no, there's no poetry written by Maria to herself.

946
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: Much of a writer, maybe not, more of a listener. Yeah,

947
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: she was like an appreciator of art. An artist was

948
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: written for me. Maybe you didn't hear that. I'm a

949
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: viceroy um. But she was responsible for publishing two books

950
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: of sore Juana's poems, one in Madrid in nine just

951
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: before the sore Felodious scandal came out, and the other

952
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: a few years later in Seville. Octavio Pause writes that

953
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: of her over one hundred unpublished works, only a few

954
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: of her writings survived. I'll due to Maria Luisa. So

955
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: Maria definitely, I mean, you know, if we're questioning if

956
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: she had a place in her heart for Jajuana, she

957
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: definitely she made sure. Yeah, and she's like all these

958
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: poems written about how hot I am, need to last

959
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: forever and I must be in the historical beautiful Maria. Yes,

960
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: that one. Make a few copies of that one. Lissie

961
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: my sexy love. Go ahead and out that one down.

962
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: If you could just make a footnote there that Lissie

963
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: is me Maria, owed to my breast Yep, that one's

964
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: probed me as well. You can send that on over,

965
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: owed to Maria's. Oh yeah, that one's also Maria. What

966
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: a phenomenal dump truck booty. Yes, please, that's probably my favorite.

967
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: And put that in the book as well. Maria did

968
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,959
Speaker 1: live to be seventy two years old, and she died

969
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: in Italy. Yeah, her story kind of drops off. But

970
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: she definitely moved around with her husband as he was

971
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: kind of you know that the King of Spain loved

972
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: him and definitely gave him several different appointments in Austria

973
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: and Spain and Italy in all these places. So well

974
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: traveled lady, Yes, and she outlived him by several decades. Nice.

975
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: The Mexican historian Santiago Cortez Hernandez says, in three centuries

976
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: of the Vice Reality, the most important figure is sor Juana. Wow.

977
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: Imagine being the most important person for three hundred years.

978
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: A lot happened in the three hundred years of Vice Reality.

979
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: That's stands something. Yeah, And Octavio Paz says, it is

980
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: not enough to say that sor Juana's work is a

981
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: product of history. We must add that history is also

982
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: a product of her work. Beautiful words. Yeah, I mean

983
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: that would give me shivers. If somebody was like, by

984
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: the way, history is a product of your work, I'd

985
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: be like, damn. I hope in a good way, though,

986
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: because you could also say about Hitler, I guess you

987
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: got to be careful of these things to come out. Wait,

988
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: how is history a product to my work? Wait a minute? Wait,

989
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, we're talking about like we

990
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: cleaned up the air pollution and everybody has enough to eat?

991
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: Or are we talking like another genocide? Kind of hoping

992
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: for the former. There didn't make a species go extinct

993
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: or what I have to know, but it was definitely

994
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: the former for sort of one. As cruz Um, she

995
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: just i mean changed the game and became an icon.

996
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: She was suppressed in her time, as many great people are,

997
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: which is tragic because you want her to kind of

998
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: experience everything that came from what she did. Now, of course,

999
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: she's revered her stories all over the place. There have

1000
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: been several movies and TV shows in Mexico about her,

1001
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: especially Um, and the LGBTQ community also reveres her, especially

1002
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: in Latin America. And uh, you know, she's just become

1003
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: this really incredible icon. And I just for my money

1004
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: the poetry. So I was about to say, I did

1005
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: you know study poetry a little bit in college and

1006
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: we never talked about And I'm mad about it me too,

1007
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: because these are great. Yeah, I mean, she definitely had

1008
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: a way with words that was worth studying. Why is

1009
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: she not part of the curriculum? It takes me a

1010
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: minute with poetry. Sometimes this is some poetry I love,

1011
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: but sometimes I gotta stare at it for a while.

1012
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: And these just immediately I knew exactly what she was

1013
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: getting at and what the language meant and how, and

1014
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: I felt something just just I really did. I really

1015
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: just reading her pobems, I was like, Oh, this is

1016
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: what people feel about poetry, you know, this is why

1017
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: people say they love it. I really, I think it

1018
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: really would have gotten me into it more had I

1019
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: studied this at a young age. But that's what happens

1020
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: when you make an entire subsection of the population and elective.

1021
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah so, but but do go and read the whole

1022
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: poem of you foolish men? Yeah, I'm definitely going to

1023
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: and and all of her stuff. There's a lot that's

1024
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: readily available online, um with some great English translations. And

1025
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: she's so cool and I'm yeah, so thankful against Germaine

1026
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: for telling us about this. This is a great suggestion

1027
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: because I think it wasn't dominated by the romance, Like like,

1028
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: this wasn't the story of the two of them together, right,

1029
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: This was a story that involved you know, it was

1030
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: mostly about sort Juana story and then like how she

1031
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,919
Speaker 1: what her love was and how she fell in love.

1032
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure we would have come across otherwise,

1033
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean, like because it wouldn't

1034
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: be listed as here's a romance need to look at.

1035
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: So these are the kind of stories we love getting.

1036
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: So thankful to Germaine for passing this on. And if

1037
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: you have any, of course, please send them away always,

1038
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, let us know what you think about this episode,

1039
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: or about Sriwana or you foolish men. Yeah, send us

1040
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: one of your poems about foolish men, send us your

1041
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: fan art of my favorite nun country. Whatever you want.

1042
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: We're ready to talk to you, and it was supposed

1043
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: to We're ready to believe you. That's us, and executives

1044
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: at ABC, you know, feel free to conduct us as well.

1045
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: We're not going to take, you know, a lot of

1046
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: credit because obviously this belongs to the Mexican people and

1047
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: they should have this show. But I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll executive produce. We'll take a we'll take a

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Speaker 1: nice cut, modest modest cut just for the title, yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the idea of the general idea. But for the story, no,

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Speaker 1: you should probably go elsewhere for the writing and otherwise

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Speaker 1: everything else, but yeah, let us know what you think

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Speaker 1: about this episode. We really love hearing from y'all. Email

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Speaker 1: us where Romance at iHeart media dot com, and of

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Speaker 1: at Oh great, it's Eli, I'm at Dianamite Boom, and

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Speaker 1: you can find the show at ridic Romance and don't forget.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on Friday with another Recryptulous Romance with

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Speaker 1: one of our Halloween series episodes. I hope you all

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Speaker 1: like that song because I was giggling like just an

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Speaker 1: idiot the whole time we were doing it because that

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Speaker 1: was so cute. So anyway, enjoy those all right, ch'all,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you next time. Can't wait so long, friends,

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Speaker 1: It's time to go. Thanks so listening to our show,

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Speaker 1: tell your friend's names, uncles, and dance to listen to

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Speaker 1: a show Ridiculous Romance