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Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: So we are back for part two of our look

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Speaker 2: at ICE and CBP and DHS looking at what has

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Speaker 2: comparative look at past administrations. Not here, not in this episode,

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Speaker 2: but coming up we'll be taking an all encompassing look

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Speaker 2: But we do think it's important that we look at

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Speaker 2: the root of this is coming from, and then what

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Speaker 2: it looks like is happening and things are ever changing.

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Speaker 2: We know this again because of that. We're going to

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Speaker 2: go ahead in time stamp this because some of the

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Speaker 2: I really hope that's what's gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: Existence, hopefully younger generations please.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, and this is definitely gonna be one of those

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Speaker 2: into part two, and we're gonna have another another part

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Speaker 3: Who knows.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those moments where I'm like, it

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Speaker 1: Yes it does. But the time stamp and question is

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Speaker 2: Already bypassing because I'm so scared anyway, is February eleventh,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. And yes, we're recording on the day

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Speaker 2: But also with that content warrant warning, we are talking

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Speaker 2: some of the amazing organizations that are working tirelessly to

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Speaker 2: provide the services we so desperately need, including the people

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Speaker 2: immigration has always been a hot button issue, whether it's

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Speaker 2: It is an issue, and we discussed it earlier. Go

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Speaker 2: to get the history of ICBP and DHS. But how

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Speaker 2: this administration isn't the first to do some drastic policy changes,

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Speaker 2: these policies that the current administration has been using. First

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Speaker 2: Let's go, in his first year of his term, Trump

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Speaker 2: On his first day alone, he signed twenty six orders,

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Speaker 2: Anyway even and within these orders on day one ten,

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Speaker 1: And they continue explaining quote, it is important to understand

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Speaker 1: The flurry of first day activity was itself a signal

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Speaker 1: his executive orders included declaring an emergency at the US

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Speaker 2: And of course we're going to go into the garbage

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Speaker 2: this is a big fallacy, but it is also something

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Speaker 2: It's first person for him anyway. Moving on, many of

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Speaker 2: Enforcing our nation's immigration law is critically important to the

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Speaker 3: Just case we're confused, absolutely confused.

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Speaker 1: Right, Lets you build your big ballroom, man, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: To fact, former senior Trump officials helped write Project twenty

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Speaker 2: we'll have We've talked about doing an episode on Project

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Speaker 2: It just feels so heavy sometimes and so dense, and honestly,

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Speaker 1: was like, right, it's still happening, though.

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Speaker 2: Like we need to still be aware because pretending like

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Speaker 2: But we did, we are behind. It's one of those

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Speaker 2: time consuming. But anyway, it is something to note that

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Speaker 3: You know, once upon a time it was England. I know.

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Speaker 1: Think about on like I was there.

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Speaker 2: So the executive orders were only a small part but

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Speaker 2: agency or you or you're being brought over obviously, if

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00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: you're a higher up, you don't got to wory about that.

442
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: So and then if with that, there's a possibility of

443
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: getting that fifty thousand bonus dollars over the course of

444
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: five years, y'all, and you have to commit to those

445
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: five years, and after taxing.

446
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: It's not that much.

447
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: About six thousand a year. Congratulations. I hope your soul

448
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: was worth it. And then there's also an ability to

449
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 2: get sixty thousand dollars in student loan repayments. But as

450
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: you heard from the qualifications, not.

451
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: A lot of people will go to college.

452
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a requirement, so that might not be

453
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: as that's why you don't know about that. I did

454
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: not hear about that as an added benefit when I

455
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 2: was when I've been hearing all these you know, things

456
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: and hot headlines about bonuses and trying to attract people.

457
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: So I think that's purposeful.

458
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: And if you want to know what type of people

459
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: may be applying, well, is that we're talking about. NPR

460
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: interviewed a few people at a DHS career expo, and

461
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting because they actually speak to individuals.

462
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: So if you want to go take a look at

463
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: that it's just like MPR goes to DHS ICE job fair.

464
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 3: You can go check that out.

465
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: And some of the people that they interviewed included avid

466
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: Trump supporters. They were like, I'm really excited about what

467
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: this government's doing. I want to be a part of it.

468
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: There's veterans who miss being able to simply follow orders,

469
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: like they literally say, I just want to do a

470
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: job where they tell me what to do. And then

471
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: you have recently laid off DHS employees, because there's a

472
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: quite a bit of them, they're like, I might as

473
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: well go back this way. And some were just again

474
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: looking at those bonuses, really thinking that fifty thousand dollars

475
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: was just going to be handed to them immediately with

476
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: no like taxing.

477
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: I don't think that was right.

478
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: Interestingly, several people who would often respond that they did

479
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: bill some of the things that were happening with ICE

480
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 2: agents were a bit too far, Like they were all

481
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: a little concerned. It's like, yeah, I don't really like that.

482
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: Oh it does seem kind of wrong, but you know what, Hey,

483
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: it's a job.

484
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's those.

485
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: Like they knew where they were in history, but they

486
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: justified it.

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00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have long said there's some kind of element

488
00:27:54,520 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: of i'll call it cosplay that is happening right here. Yeah,

489
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: where they think they're being kind of heroic and you

490
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: can play the role in their heads.

491
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: Oh, we're going to talk about it is it's a

492
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: definitely strategy.

493
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Speaker 1: Something that isn't that shocking is the fact that the

494
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: training and overall quality of the candidates for the job

495
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: may be very low in overall standards, which I think

496
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: a lot of us have seen those headlines. In fact,

497
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: the training time for ice was cut from sixteen weeks

498
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: to just eight weeks, and things like basic Spanish skills

499
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: have been cut completely, which seems like nonsense.

500
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Speaker 2: Right, Like that was a part of the requirements because

501
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: they understood a big chunk of the immigrants and refugees

502
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: were Spanish speaking people. Interesting again, with that sixteen to

503
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: eight weeks is terrifying because as a person who worked

504
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: at the Department of Junial Justice a state level, that

505
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with arresting powers. I had nothing

506
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: to do with going out and like investigating anything. We

507
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: had nine week course training and that had nothing to

508
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: do with firearms. We had nothing to do And that

509
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: came later and that was another twelve weeks, another twelve weeks. Yeah,

510
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: so sixteen weeks to eight weeks including firearms is alarming

511
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: because you don't need that experience to start. Yeah.

512
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: No, that's that's very tell thing that they're just like,

513
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: come on, put.

514
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: You through, go for it.

515
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: It's good luck man, enjoy. So they have also gotten

516
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: rid of age limits, which should be noted. I think

517
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: could be seen as DEI.

518
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: Am I wrong?

519
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Anyway, The overall push in hiring

520
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: as many people as possible seems to be the biggest goal,

521
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: and it's all about that volume, using whatever is necessary,

522
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: including a barrage of as being used in all.

523
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: Of the platforms.

524
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: So any you had talked about this, we wouldn't kind

525
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: of dig into it because they.

526
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: There was a lot of good articles about this.

527
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: So from the DW which is a news source in Germany,

528
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: they write this. Where ICE's recent approach differs is in

529
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: the scale intensity of the media push, with unusually high

530
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: budget advertising campaigns and broad public outreach aimed at generating

531
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: large applicant pools. Hamilton, a professor of law and criminal

532
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: justice at the University of Surrey, actually said this.

533
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: As she was being interviewed.

534
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: The media and social media push, which uses recruitment tools

535
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: that lean heavily on key Trump messaging, has proved controversial.

536
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: That also includes featuring Uncle Sam. You know, like when

537
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: we were trying to enlist as many people in the

538
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: military during the World Wars. Yeah, Uncle Sam got in

539
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: part of this, a personified symbol of the US government

540
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: most notoriously used to recruit soldiers during World War One

541
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: on the Ice Careers web page and posting the painting

542
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 2: American Progress often critici size for showing white settlers traveling

543
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: towards their manifest destiny while Native Americas retreat from VA.

544
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: It's on official social media pages they're using this, and

545
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: I think if you I'm sure many of you listeners

546
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: already know of the many different symbols being used, and

547
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: some of them seem to be reverting back to some

548
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: white supremacist context.

549
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: Including the former head advice in DHS. But I digress.

550
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: Apparently, the cost of these advertisements are around one hundred

551
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: million dollars for this year and is considered quote a

552
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: wartime recruitment drive. Again, that verbiage of invasion, war impending

553
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: doom is being used here and again we're going to

554
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: jump into have of their cosplay level of like I'm

555
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: a hero. According to a Washington Post article published in

556
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: December of twenty twenty five, which shared a strategy document

557
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: that was given to immigrant officials, they're using even more

558
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: as and influences to hit their large goal of recruitments.

559
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: So they were able to get a hold of some

560
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: memos and some tactics that the DHS is using and

561
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: they publish it. This is twenty twenty five, so before

562
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 2: everything has gone downhill. So from their article they write

563
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: the document reported here for the first time reveals new

564
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: details about the vast scale of the recruitment effort and

565
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 2: its unconventional strategy to flood the market with millions of

566
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: dollars in spending for Snapchat ads, influencers, and live streamers

567
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: on Rumble, a video platform popular with conservatives. Under the strategy,

568
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: ice would also use an ad industry technique known as

569
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: geofencing to send ads to the phone, web browsers, and

570
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: social media fees of anyone who set foot near military bases,

571
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: NASCAR races, college campuses, or gun and trade shows.

572
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: I feel like that NASCAR was.

573
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's very specific.

574
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: Very specific with this narrative like answer the call to serve.

575
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: It is clear they're push for loyalists to fill a

576
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: call to duty. In fact, with the money from.

577
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: The OBBBA, they have hired.

578
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: Marketing firms to use precise data and targets for their.

579
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: Ads, right and using old school tactics to bring in

580
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: old school loyalists, like the usage of Uncle Sam and

581
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: fear mongering. That that's been some of the things that

582
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: they've been doing. From the same article quote recruitment ads

583
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: have proliferated across TV, radio, print, and podcast, directing viewers

584
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: to an ICE hiring website that portrays immigration as an

585
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: existential threat. America has been invaded by criminals and predators,

586
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: reads the website, which includes an image of Uncle Sam.

587
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: We need you to get them out, which, by the way,

588
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: you I tried to report this ad on YouTube. Yeah,

589
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: it's it's actually pretty difficult to report an add on YouTube.

590
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: And I think it's specifically it's it's difficult because I

591
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: think they specifically have it that it the length of

592
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: it is very short. So like by the time you've

593
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: been like.

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00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: Oh, they say I'm in the radar that way.

595
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like already over by the and you, I

596
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: don't want to go look up. Let me watch this

597
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: ICE ad.

598
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 3: Right, you're not trying to do it, right.

599
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: But by the time it's over, I can't report it.

600
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: You have to report it kind of when you see it. Yeah,

601
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: but yes I have. I've been trying to do your duty.

602
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. So they go on

603
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: to talk about how they've been using things like video

604
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: games and movies to seem as if ICE is fighting

605
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: a criminal underground and are coming out as heroes again,

606
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: as if it was a game or a fantasy quote.

607
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: On social media, administration accounts have mixed immigration rate footage

608
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: with memes from action movies and video games to portray

609
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: ICE's mission as fight against the enemies at the gates,

610
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: want to deport illegals with your absolute boys. One post says,

611
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: are you going to cowboy up? Or are you just

612
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: or just lay there and bleed? Says another. So again,

613
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: it is very like going after a specific demographic, and

614
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: as we talked about from the NPR article about the

615
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: people who are applying for ICE, that as are working,

616
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: they're targeting conservative people, veterans, and those who may have

617
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: military backgrounds or military interests. I mean again that cosplay

618
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: level of like wanting to be a part of it.

619
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: The document literally says people who are interested in quote

620
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: conservative thought leaders, gun rights organizations, and tactical gear brands

621
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: like that's who they're targeting. That's what they wrote and

622
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: something to watch out for. Though as of today, I

623
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 2: can't see I don't know of any specific influencers, but

624
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 2: we need to look out for those because they were

625
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 2: named and those who created the document are leading into

626
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: the power of influencers. Again from the Washington Post report,

627
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: they write the document did not name specific influencers, but

628
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: said it would focus on quote former agents, veterans, and

629
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 2: pro ice creators who would be expected to host live streams,

630
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: attend events, and post short and long form videos and

631
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: other content to Facebook, Instagram, rumble x, and YouTube blogs,

632
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: substack newsletters, and threads. Accounts would also be targeted for

633
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: more niche communities, the document said. So I think that's

634
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: something we need to look out for. I have like, again,

635
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: my FYP may be completely different, but I would think

636
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 2: if a creator comes out with some usage, we would

637
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: see that, like someone else would be talking about them

638
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: or calling them out. I haven't seen it yet. I

639
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: feel like at this point it might be too late

640
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: to use that because if you do that, you're going

641
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: to be on like a lot of bad lists. Yeah

642
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: culture though it's not a real thing. If it was,

643
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: I think it might actually work for this type of

644
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: especially small influencers or up and coming influencers that could

645
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: be wrong. And this is to humanize a ice agents

646
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: and their work. I feel like we can say at

647
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: this moment it isn't working again, but maybe not. Things

648
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: may change because this is again they're putting a lot

649
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: of money behind it. They understood how bad things are

650
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: looking in by trying to bring in peer to peer

651
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: approach and some storytelling, they're hoping to get some goodwill

652
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: and a lot more recruits, acceptable recruits without the because

653
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: we already again we already seen people like yeah, we

654
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: don't love it, so that could push further people further away,

655
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: we don't know. And they've been using specific locations for

656
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: their targeted ads, hoping to get a lot of recruits

657
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: from hot spots like Minneapolis and Chicago and other major

658
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 2: cities like New York and Los Angeles who are on

659
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: lists to have more and more facilities as well as

660
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: they're thinking of taking their tactics that they use in Minneapolis,

661
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: in Chicago to New York and LA like they're threatening

662
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: it right now. So they're also using large job fairs

663
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: and expos as well. Again that's not untypical. A lot

664
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: of government agencies do this and trying to ket recruit.

665
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: The largest local target was noted to be in New Orleans,

666
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: which is currently again holding one of the larger immigration

667
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: detention centers, so that makes sense. But they're using events. Again,

668
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: we kind of talked about NASCAR before, but they're actually

669
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: using events such as the NASCAR Cookout Southern five hundred

670
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: in South Carolina, Like they got a booth ready, the

671
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: UFC Fight Night in Las Vegas, and a sponsorship in

672
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: the National Finals Rodeo in Las Vegas, so you will

673
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: see them in booths there.

674
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Speaker 3: If you go to those things. I will not be

675
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: one to those things obviously.

676
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: No, even if I did like them, Nope, and how

677
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: interested them?

678
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: No? Thanks. Well, they're also not just recruiting, they are

679
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: targeting specific communities with a message to self deport from

680
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: the Washington Post quote. The ad library for Meta, which

681
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: runs Facebook and Instagram, shows that DHS has spent more

682
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: than one million dollars on self deportation ads in the

683
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: last ninety days targeted to people interested in Latin music,

684
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: Spanish as a second language, and Mexican cuisine. On a

685
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: message board for the music streaming service Pandora, some users

686
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: were furious about the ads that they called fear mongering propaganda.

687
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: One user, who said she is a US citizen who

688
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: likes listening to reggaeton, said that she had been overwhelmed

689
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: by DHS commercials quote implying I am an undocumented immigrant

690
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: and instructing me to go home. That played in nearly

691
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: every other ad slot I.

692
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: Hear, which is an interesting tactic.

693
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one way to put it.

694
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: Like, hey, I'm glad you enjoyed this music. To get

695
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: out right, clearly they're like wait what. And it has

696
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: been noted that so far, although it's only February, they

697
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: have not spent the allotted amount they have set aside

698
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: for more ads and targeting. Again, I think we may

699
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: see some influencers who will be hosting lives with either

700
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: ICE officers or sharing heartwarming stories to humanize them as

701
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: a part of their campaign, and we'll be able to

702
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: see which companies are playing it safe with the current administration,

703
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: meaning all the ads and people that bring on and

704
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: who they sponsor. Also side note platforms like Spotify and

705
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: Pandora run as that are not always brought to you

706
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: by us. We have not vetted them.

707
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: I just wander to this.

708
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: Yes, if you hear one of them on our podcast,

709
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: please let us know immediately. You need to go ahead

710
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: and understand and assume we did not approve that in

711
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: any way, shape or form. No.

712
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: In fact, we very emphatically send a message that said,

713
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: do not ever play an ICE ad on our podcast,

714
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: and so if they do, let us know.

715
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna put this here, even though I'm

716
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 2: like trying to stay a little like report and give

717
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: information unbiasedly. But we as a person in groups, guys,

718
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, And if that wasn't enough money, and

719
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: I know, we just talked about ads, but we also

720
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 2: talked about how much money they're getting on so many

721
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: other things, and we'll probably talk a little bit about that.

722
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 2: But they're also looking to get another eleven billion dollars

723
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: on top of the already eighty five million, which is

724
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: four times their regular amount, and it seems they're looking

725
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: for more money to expand or at least include more

726
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: detention centers. Honestly, I'm kind of good confused about this situation,

727
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: because why don't you already have enough money. I know

728
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: there's there, you haven't spent it. Why do you need

729
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: eleven billion dollars eleven more billion dollars?

730
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: But whatever.

731
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: At the same time, it's hard to run a for

732
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: profit private center that gives minimal care and provide barely

733
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: enough necessities for basic human rights, I guess and survival.

734
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: You gotta get that money somehow. I mean, there's some

735
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: fishy money slide of hand that we've been talking about.

736
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: Christy Nolmes has been accused of a few things recently,

737
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: so I mean whatever. Yes, they are buying up properties

738
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: all over the country without any accountability. Currently, contracts all

739
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: around the country have been have people reeling like people

740
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: are now seeing them like that. Here in Georgia actually, uh,

741
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: not too far outside of Atlanta, in a small conservative

742
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: area known as a Social Circle, DHS Purchase has purchased

743
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: a warehouse looking to make a new detention center, which,

744
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: by the way, we have a few, we have several.

745
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: We don't want those. And even when the Trump voters

746
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 2: there are upset like most of them.

747
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: Is interesting.

748
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: They have with the mayor of the town come together

749
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: to speak out on their concerns of this type of

750
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: facility in their backyards. So yes, we know they are

751
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: selfishly concerned about the impact on them more than the

752
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 2: people being detained, so that's not surprise and that should

753
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: be noted. At the same time, they're still upset, so

754
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: you know, sure a wins the win, I guess. Some

755
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: have commented that they are worried at what this will

756
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: do to their resources. More have actually said that watching

757
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: how bad ICE has been acting in other states, have

758
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: no concern for their people's safety and don't like how

759
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: people are being treated by the agents, So some of

760
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: them are realizing, eh, we don't like the looks of this.

761
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: I will say. There is an office opening in Atlanta,

762
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: but they are putting it in a predominantly black area

763
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: known as Each Point, which is interesting. There have been

764
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: so many jokes made about coming to Atlanta, but honestly,

765
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: I'm scared put it there. It has even brought both

766
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: conservative and liberals together to protests against the possibility of

767
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: this new detention center, and has caught the attention of

768
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 2: state officials, including our own representatives John Ossoff and Raphael Warnock,

769
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 2: which I would hope they would be concerned, but they are.

770
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: They're speaking out. But the conservatives too hardcore Trump supporter

771
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: Mike Collins, who is running for something. I can't remember

772
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: if a senator or governor. He's running for something, but whatever,

773
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: who has been a pro Ice. He's been pro Trump

774
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, has come about with a little

775
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: bit of a hesitation on the new facility, saying that

776
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 2: he supports the constituents in their displeasure and really things

777
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: that we need to go back to the table and

778
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: have a conversation about whether or not this should be here.

779
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: I found that interesting.

780
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: And Georgia isn't the only spot. Again, there's a lot

781
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: happening on many popping up left right. As more and

782
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: more facilities are being planned under the radar, residents are

783
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 2: upset and at not being notified or being a part

784
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: of the conversation at all. So Wired dot com have

785
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: been watching ICE closely, like they have a whole tracking

786
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: that they're trying to publish, So you know, I had

787
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: to get that information and CBP and one of the

788
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: things that they are reporting right now is about the

789
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: fast tracking of these detention centers.

790
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: Again.

791
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: This article they wrote, which is titled ICE is expanding

792
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: across the US at breakneck speed. Here's where it's going next.

793
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: And this was released today, So February eleventh, twenty twenty six,

794
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 2: this article just popped up and I was like, yeah,

795
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 2: I guess we're going to get into this. So federal

796
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: records obtained by WIREDS show that over the past several months,

797
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: Immigration and Customs Enforcement ICE and the Department of Homeland

798
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: Security have carried out a secret campaign to expand ICE's

799
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: physical presence across the US. Documents show that more than

800
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty leases and office expansions have or

801
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: would place new facilities in nearly every state, many of

802
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: them in or just outside of the country's largest metropolitan areas.

803
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: In many cases, these facilities, which are to be used

804
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: by street level agents and ICE attorneyes, are located near

805
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: elementary schools, medical offices, places of worship, and other sensitive locations. Reminder,

806
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: one of the executive orders allows for arrests at places

807
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: like this where we wasn't allowed before. So there are

808
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: a lot of concerns with how the administration is going

809
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: forward in these purchases, many emails and memorandums where DHS

810
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 2: actually ignore government procedures in the name of national security.

811
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: With that they bypass other acts and policies to get

812
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: these facilities, stating, quote, the need for supplies or services

813
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: is of such unusual and compelling urgency that the government

814
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: would be seriously injured unless the agency is permitted to

815
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 2: limit the number of sources from which its solicits, bids,

816
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: or proposals. Full and open competitions need not be provided.

817
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: So essentially they're bypassing the opening for bidders to have

818
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: different contracts and to be more fair and open about

819
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: that and being able to choose whoever they want and

820
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: doing it quickly. And they have. They've already picked out

821
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: two contractors who are doing this very quickly. Oh and

822
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: it's all about securing space. This is nothing to make

823
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: it inhabitable. There's no renovation conversations. They're not talking about

824
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: like actually making livable. They just want to get that

825
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: space immediately. This justification was used throughout to get nationwide

826
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: acquisition and did so in order to achieve the goals

827
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: of detention for the record breaking number of immigrants. So

828
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: they already had that one million that they wanted within.

829
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: The first year.

830
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: They're trying to build on that. I think it was

831
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: like one point six million. As it continues, and we'll

832
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: tell you this, the numbers are not clear. Their numbers

833
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: fluctuate a lot, and they are not telling us everything.

834
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: Including people dying and people going missing.

835
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about that later. And they focused

836
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: on a few key stakes, including Texas, which has the

837
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: largest amount of facilities. One of the largest facilities they

838
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: have acquired is an El Paso which just recently, like today,

839
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: you know, yesterday had a ten day closure for the

840
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: El Paso International Airport, but it's already been lifted. I

841
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 2: think because it came out, everybody started reporting very quickly,

842
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: like what is happening. The people of El Paso were

843
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: coming like we're scared. We don't know what's going on.

844
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: At this time, no real reason was given, but was

845
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: told something about the Mexican cartel breaching with drones, which

846
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: feels like a red herring to be honest. Yeah, as

847
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: with everything else when it comes to the immigration policies.

848
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: M yeah, well, currently there doesn't seem to be a

849
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: statistic to show how many immigration detention facilities there are.

850
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: According to Freedom for Immigration dot com org, they estimate

851
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: at least two thousand facilities being used, but this is

852
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: including countries outside of the US, so.

853
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: That's not just yeah, so there doesn't seem to be numbers.

854
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: People are kind of giving like ideals, especially as more

855
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 2: and more facilities are being bought out and we're trying

856
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 2: to figure out where they are, and because it's being

857
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: done privately with through private organizations, we're not getting much information.

858
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: American Immigration Council dot org they do say this that

859
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 2: they at the end of the November twenty twenty five

860
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: there was a ninety one percent increase of facilities for

861
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: immigration detentions, so they know that there's a giant jump

862
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: of the amount of centers there are. So from Trade

863
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 2: Supports dot org they report as of January twenty twenty six,

864
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: there was seventy seven hundred and sixty six people who

865
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: are being detained by ICE or CBP currently. Again, this

866
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 2: is a very specific number, but I think it's changing

867
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: very quickly. And from what I gathered, I fineled like

868
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: two months earlier there were twenty thousand less than that,

869
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: so it was I fifty thousand something something, So it

870
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: is growing quickly and as of today, again, this will

871
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: quickly change as they're in the process of negotiating, because

872
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if you realize, I didn't realize until

873
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: I read it that we had a shutdown, a government

874
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: shut down for like a split second in regards with

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Speaker 2: that eleven billion dollar edition. Everything else was approved, so everything,

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Speaker 2: all the other different departments had an increase in funds

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Speaker 2: or had approve of funds. They stopped at the DHS

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00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 2: one because they're like, wait, what are we doing. The

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Speaker 2: politicians have figured out that people are upset, are really

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Speaker 2: getting upset, and it is becoming a unified thing where

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00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: everybody's getting upset with what's happening with DHS and ICE.

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Speaker 2: So they feel like they have a moment to negotiate.

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Speaker 2: So right now they're in that process. The Democrats are

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Speaker 2: seeking to negotiate again with these funds. I think they

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Speaker 2: are approving it for a certain amount of days because

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Speaker 2: this is supposed to be approved for a year to

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Speaker 2: four years. They're like, no, we're going to give you

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Speaker 2: a weeks with a little bit of money, but we

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Speaker 2: need to come back and have a conversation. But the

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Speaker 2: problem is they're not negotiating for the amount or the

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Speaker 2: money or even the usage of money. They're pretty much

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Speaker 2: just asking ICE and CBP and DHS to be nice

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Speaker 2: to follow the law literally, is what they're negotiating. If

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Speaker 2: you can't, you can have this money to get more

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Speaker 2: attention centers, but can you just at least follow the

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Speaker 2: law and stop breaking them some of them? Okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: trying not to be mad, but again, some of the

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Speaker 2: things that they are listed in their negotiations are required

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Speaker 2: to not allow for masks so that we can actually

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Speaker 2: see if they're ICE or not and who they are

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00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 2: because they don't even have to do that. They're asking

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Speaker 2: for body cams, which is a sensitive subject because there's

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00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: back and forth about what this is actually doing, who

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Speaker 2: this is actually helping, and is this what is the solution.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say no, and to.

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Speaker 2: Also stop profiling, which to be fair, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: of that's cool, man, you can do.

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Speaker 3: That if you want.

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Speaker 2: So, I guess you know that's legal and just basic

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00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 2: stuff essentially is what they're requesting at this point. Again,

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Speaker 2: as of right now, unless something has changed in the

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Speaker 2: last hour since we've been recording, we don't know what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen. I guess minimally at least they're addressing

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Speaker 2: some things, but yeah, overall, the government is disappointing on

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Speaker 2: every will. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna come back with some

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Speaker 2: better stuff. Well but actually, let me be honest, We're

917
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 2: gonna come back with some worse stuff and then follow

918
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Speaker 2: up with some better stuff. In this conversation, but again,

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Speaker 2: I think it's really important in what we are looking at,

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Speaker 2: what is being funded, who is responsible for some of

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00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: these things. Also to note that we need to keep

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Speaker 2: an eye on the de tension centers that are happening,

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Speaker 2: that are being done quietly. The l PASO stuff, Like

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Speaker 2: I think I did not get into it much, but

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Speaker 2: there's some concerning conversations in that one alone, and I

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Speaker 2: think we need to have a lot of awareness and

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Speaker 2: conversations again about about these places and what is what

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Speaker 2: they're giving up for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yes, well there will be a part three,

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Speaker 4: maybe a Valentines Hay, Gallantines and Valentines.

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Speaker 1: And Lunar New Year and Marti Gras, Oh lord, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: We'll we'll get through this together.

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