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Can't do it without your support, 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:05.000 So thank you, very very much, subscribe, like and review 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.199 the show, and we thank you so much. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:32.279 Hey, hey, new Time's a seller. Hey we're back. We're black, 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.600 New Times that seller, we're brown and Yan. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:44.720 Hey hey anything new Tiffy Bucanista, best selling author. I'm Alicia. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.440 You know I'm not gonna lie. So I when I 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.520 got the call, I was like, is this real life? 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.080 What happens when you become a bestseller? What is the call? 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:55.080 That's what I want to know. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.840 So what happens is, first of all, shout out to 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.640 love you for ruining the surprise this chick, I'm like, 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:01.120 how do you know what? 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:02.880 From my agent? So I was reading. I told my agent. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.360 I gave her a specific instructions. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.280 I said call me on this number because I wanted 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.440 to take myself to get my natural reaction to see 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:09.840 because I wasn't you know, you never know. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.960 Yeah, here goes Lovey, she what's at me? So that 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.400 pops up right for you to call? So it ruined 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.800 my natural reactions. It just said congratulations, did you do that? Seller? 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.680 I said, started Lovey, But I was excited. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:27.359 But no, honestly it's because well one you know, Lovey said, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:28.680 you know she had said you made the list. I 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.040 saw her say congratulations, so I knew that's what it was. 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.880 But then hnther called me, it was like, yes, you 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.880 made the list for that. The hardest list to make 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.839 on the New York Times Bestsellers List is the how 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.360 to list because it includes so many things that sometimes 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:43.639 they have hardcover soft cover. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.960 It includes both hardcover and soft cover, and it includes. 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.000 How to meaning how to cook, how to build a fire, 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.160 like all those things go on that list, so you're 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.600 really competing with so many different genres, whereas other lists 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.639 don't have that issue. And it's one of the shorter lists. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.440 So I came in number four, which is like insane. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.920 And then after speaking with Heather, I'm Jackson, and my 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.520 agent Marnie and my executive editor at Penguin called me. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.520 She's like, they didn't tell you made two lists. I 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.240 was like, wait what. I also made number ten on 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.720 the Business list. So now the Business list comes out 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.520 once a month and how two list comes out once 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.360 a week, so I mean both. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.280 And it's just like I. 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.560 Mean, when you start to really do the math of 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.079 how few books make the New York Times Bestsellers List, 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.280 you just realize that, like the possibility is way more 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.040 that it's not. Literally, only half a percentage ever make 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.080 the list. Over one hundred thousand books come out each year, 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.400 in less than five hundred get on the New York 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.400 Times bestseller list, and so I don't know, it just 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.720 feels very like I don't know if it ought to, 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.240 but it feels very validating because you know, I came 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:51.800 in here as a preschool teacher, and I'm sure that 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.760 some people are like, well, what do you know. I'm like, well, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:58.880 I mean, according to the New York Times, I know, no, 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.120 it just feels really good. But you know what actually 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.320 feels even better? Well, I don't know if it's better, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.640 just different, like the feedback from people. Because one thing 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:08.960 I'll tell you about black women. Let me tell you 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.080 about black women, they do not suffer foolishness, meaning like 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.440 if the book wasn't good, they would it would be 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.080 like they would give the nice church cut, okay, baby okay, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:20.560 like if your baby's not cute, and they're like, oh, 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.240 look at that baby looking like he looking, you know, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:29.839 and so to get the feedback like the overwhelming thank 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.640 you so much, this is such an easy read. Somebody 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.800 finally explained it to me easily. It's just and then 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.920 to make the Wall Street journalists, not just the Wall 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:42.160 Street journal I made number one on their I think 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.320 it's their business list, and then number four on another 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.520 Wall Street journalist the USA Today list thirty one, but 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.080 it's thirty one out of all books being sold, which 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.839 is crazy. Amazon's seventeen out of all books being sold. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:00.240 Apple four, the indie booksel so meaning like book that 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.000 like ourselves sold out of, like you know, like your 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.880 local bookstore made that list, like every list that is 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.279 there to be made, I feel like we made it. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.960 We made over ten different lists. I just have to say, 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:13.599 my team is what I said was and this is 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.520 what Tracy, my public is in. As she said, you know, 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.160 if we really look at the work that we put in, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.919 we are deserving of this. But so it's so infrequent 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.720 that black women get what they're deserving of that were 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.520 just so shocked because we put in ten and got 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.040 out ten. Normally, you know, as a black woman, you know, man, 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:33.560 you put in ten, you get out seven. You're like, ah, 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.159 you know, that's just how it goes. You make less, 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.400 you know, you know, you're not promoted as quickly. It's 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.240 just becomes part of life that you put in ten, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.800 you get out seven if you're lucky. So to put 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.760 in ten and get out ten, it's like you feel 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.640 like you hit the lottery, and it's like it feels 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.520 like a little bit of justice was done because the 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.880 team put in ten. Like this is not like luck 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.200 or happenstance. No, the level of work that they put 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.320 in this is exactly what which should have come out 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.039 but so often does not. So I'm just really overwhelmed, 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.320 like with like it doesn't feel real. Like I had 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:08.080 to literally take a walk. 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:08.760 It was just too much. 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.279 Like afterwards, I was like I told Superman, He's like, 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:12.760 are you okay? I just need to take a walk 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.520 just to decompress because it just felt like so many 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.240 of my writer friends are like, girl, I've been I've 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.960 been writing for twenty years, and you know it's my 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.200 dream to make the list and for my first like 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.200 traditionally published book, not to. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.800 Just make the list, but to just do so like 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.640 with a splash is just girl, I'm. 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:40.200 So oh my god, I feel like, well, let me 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.800 tell you how I feel about it. I love tell 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:47.279 me that's you know, you know, I feel like I've 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.440 had a like a I don't know, a backseat. I've 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.440 been in the car behind the car that the budget 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.560 needs to like train has been pulling for so much 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.800 for so long, and for me it just feels like 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.920 of course, I mean, it just feels I've seen the work. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:06.600 It's not a surprise to me at all. And it's 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:10.240 certainly it doesn't feel to me like it was always 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.840 going to happen, or it it it was a foregone 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.920 conclusion that was going to happen, Like you put in 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.240 the work, and I know your team did too. I mean, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.440 y'all were talking about promoting this book. You built a 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.040 whole damn website for the book. You know, you don't 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.840 do anything halfway. You never have and everything that you 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.600 and I'm so glad that you waited to do a 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:33.880 traditionally published book until this moment because you focused first 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.679 on giving people value and building your audience and building 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.720 trust with them, and you did that. It's like you 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.640 focus on what mattered first, you know what I mean, 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:48.600 like building the trust, creating value, educating people. Truly, you 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.800 know what you got into this whole what can we 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.680 call it a business or this whole field to do 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.040 and when you were ready, you know, you put out 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.320 this book and you were ready for the moment. But 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.160 you you've definitely reap what you sewed all all these years. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.440 You know, you planted all those little baby acorn seeds 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.440 and now it's like a tree or whatever. And on 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.840 that tree is not just this is like the first 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.280 you know, it's just a seedling. I feel like, you know, 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.600 the tree just going to keep on growing from the 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.600 past decade of work that you put in and the 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.400 work of your team as well. And I hope y'all 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.680 are celebrating. I don't know what the party plans are, but. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.680 Girl, I've been like, uh, okay, who wants a week 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.240 can the week off? So one of the things I 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.320 learned is from now like one of our kind of 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.280 like SOP standard operating procedures for those of y'all not 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.480 in business then that we're going to integrate is that 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.680 after a big launch, part of the launch is the 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.520 week or two or two weeks after that we take 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.280 off because it's so much you know what I mean, 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.960 and like we're still doing things. So even though it's 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.160 not as crazy, we haven't gotten a time to decompress. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.480 A word I've learned from that, like, we're not doing 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:58.080 this next time. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.760 The next time it's gonna be like, yay week off, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.679 two weeks off, just to give people a chance to 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.480 like recoup and regroup. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:05.480 Yeah, I know. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.120 The team has been like literally when the numbers were 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.920 coming out, and can I guess I'll give you guys, 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.000 because what it takes to be on the best seller's list, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.560 so this is I mean New York Times doesn't give 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.240 you much, and so this is what people have hypothesized, 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.719 and it's fairly true. But then at the end of 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.880 the day, they just decide. So typically you're looking at 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.640 around ten thousand books. You know, if you sell around 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.480 ten thousand books, you know you're on their radar. But 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.920 people have made the list selling four thousand books, you know, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.760 if it's like something they really enjoy, you know, but 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.400 you just know that at ten thousand you're fairly safe 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:40.720 to at least be considered. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:41.280 So that's one. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.760 Although they're like, there's a smoothie Lady JJ Smith. I 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.080 think she's got a smoothie book. She sold over a million, 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:50.720 so I can only imagine what she sold, but she 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:52.520 never she did hurt. That book did not make the list, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.360 so it's not just book sales, but it's just to 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.160 be just to be looked at. Ten thousand books within 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.400 the first week, and so within the first week includes 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.640 pre orders. So any book bought, you know, before your 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.079 book launch and during the first week of book sales 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.960 will be considered week one sales. That's why it is, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.679 I don't want to say easier, but it is you 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.240 have a better chance of making it the first week 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.040 because you can accumulate, you know, like some people will 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.480 start doing pre sales a year before. I started doing 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.680 pre sales two months before, so that's one. And so 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.360 we sold like well over twenty thousand books between twenty 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.719 to twenty five thousands. Some numbers are because we also 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.640 did book order, so depending on when the order went through, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.679 it could be up to twenty six thousand book a 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.160 good amount of books. And I didn't know if that 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:41.200 was a lot or little. I'd asked my Heather, you 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.520 know what is good, what is great? What is unicorn? 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.200 And if you know me, unicorn means excellent. And so 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.520 she had told me that good was five, great was 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.680 ten thousand, and unicorn was twenty thousand. I said, okay, 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.160 bet so my mind Mandy I said, were going for Unicorn. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.680 So then I was talking to Brian, who is our 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:01.080 assistant marketing director from Penguin. So we had weekly meetings 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.640 for the for the gig Gos Money crew, like we 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.000 would meet every Monday at one thirty, and so I 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:05.520 told Brian. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.120 I was like, oo oho, we did it. We did it. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:08.640 We made Unicorn. And she's like, what do you mean? 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.160 I said, well, I asked Heather, when we first started, 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.840 what's good five thousand, what's Grete ten, what's Unicorn twenty thousand? 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:15.360 We did it. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.920 She was like, girl, Heather tricked you. I was like, wait, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.200 what do you mean. She's like, girl, Unicorn is ten thousand. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.320 I was like, wait what she said, yes, girl, She's like, 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.560 people don't sell ten thousand first week. I said, I 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.480 called Heather right away. Heather started laughing. She said, but 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.200 you did it right. She's like, I picked up your 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:37.320 personality fairly quickly, tippy. She was like, she said, I 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.079 realized if I pushed you that she would do it, 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.280 and so I'm grateful for that. So that was one 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:45.520 sell your ten thousand two Amazon not Amazon. New York 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.920 Times likes to see that you have sold books from 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.720 multiple retailers because they want to. They don't if you 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.440 sold one hundred thousand books but just on Amazon. They're like, no, no, no, no. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.080 They like to see that, you know, like you have 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.600 some Amazon, some Barns and Noble, some Target, so like 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:00.800 a mix. So we made it our big business to 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.120 like market to say, like we had this one marketing 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.520 like drop a We're like, use. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:06.960 Your old you know, do you still have that old 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:07.560 Target card? 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:07.839 Girl? 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:08.800 Use it to get go with money. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.679 You ain't gonna use it anyway, So we sold out 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.200 a Target after after dropping those social media posts, Target 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:14.840 had to re up. 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:16.079 So that's one. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.360 That's two three. They also like to see that you 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.559 have some indie book sales, meaning like so one of 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.679 the things I did was I really partnered with some 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.280 black owned book bookstores and also some small bookstores where 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:32.840 I signed copies there and I gave them Budgetista bracelets 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.840 to encourage people to support smaller book bookstores. And so 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:38.400 they like to see that. So I was like, Okay, 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.600 let me make sure that we encourage dream catchers that like, yes, 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.599 although the smaller bookstore they might not be able to 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.840 give you the huge discount the Amazon gives you, but 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.079 the books there are signed, and I gave them my 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.280 budget needs to bracelets, so you'll get that bracelet there 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:53.040 and there. 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:54.920 Cool, and that was like a fun way. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.079 Plus it was just really great to be able to support, 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.400 you know, these more indie, smaller bookstores, cause that's how 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.840 they survive. A Fourth thing that they look at is 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.840 they like to see that there is like national media attention, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:07.760 you know. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.040 So I was fortunate, you. 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:15.160 Know, exactly exactly start to good morn in America twice 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.400 when the book job, and then today so the next 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.440 day and then just today I tape the real that's 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:20.719 about the book as well, so they like. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:21.040 To see that. 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.480 And then fifth, they like, this is kind of new, 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.280 like some social media buzz. So what they're looking for, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.440 what it seems like is there's some cultural relevance, like 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.400 do people actually care, you know, like is this a 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.200 book that people are wanting and needing? And so that's 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.600 that was just like so that's what that's what people 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.720 kind of know. But other than that, you know, and 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:41.640 that might even not be fully true. But this is 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.920 like kind of like if you were to do your Googles, 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.280 ask your publisher, they would. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:47.760 Say, like if you do those things. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:49.920 That's all you can do, you know, Like that's you 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.640 could just we just did all of those things and 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.360 just said at the end of the day, though they 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.360 can just say not you but her, or not not 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.880 her but you, And just because someone is above me 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.640 on the list doesn't mean they sold more than me. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.120 Like you can literally look up what people sold through 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:04.880 this thing called book scan, like I can't. I mean, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.320 if you want to pay for a book scan, you can, 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.240 but then you might see that like, oh, I actually 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.319 sold more than the person who's number one, you know 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:12.720 what I mean. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.160 Like, so there's no rhyme or reason. 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.079 So that's why I think they should like not call 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.319 it the best sellers list. I don't know, it seems 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:23.640 a little yes, I don't think advertising, so. 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:24.400 It feels strange. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.920 So I will say this that, like from what I understand, 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:31.040 the USA Today, I don't know how Wall Street Journal 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.320 calculates BO USA Today is truly like, girl, how many 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:34.840 did you sell? 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.800 Like that? That list? For sure? So the New York 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:38.640 Times bestsellers lists. 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:43.280 Yeah, it's that's why people are like it is there's 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.720 no they don't they don't give you the algorithm. But 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.600 this is what kind of what people have deduce. That's 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.480 why I was like, people are, you're definitely gonna make it. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.080 I'm like, it doesn't work like that. I could have 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.760 sold one hundred thousand books and maybe not made it, 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.840 you know, So that's why it just makes it like 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.640 because it's just a nod. The reason why for me 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.520 the New York Times Bestsellers List important is because I 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:05.720 don't have to explain what that means in this space 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.840 where I'm already devalued because one I'm a woman and 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:08.680 two I'm a black woman. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.480 It's like, okay, it gives me that stamp. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.320 I remember what happened with that you know that conference 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.120 that we don't know, we no longer name yep, and 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.000 how you know the founder of that conference, Voldemort said, 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.960 you know, like I wasn't worth more than twenty five 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.720 hundred dollars and how that whole like anybody who wasn't 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.280 brown or other in that community where it's like who she? 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.000 She doesn't deserve? How dear she ask? Like that was 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:32.600 the sentiment. 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.520 And now I'm like, so with this, it's like, don't 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.360 don't fix your lips to say that like even though 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:43.320 I wasn't deserving of that then especially now this translate 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:44.360 now you know who I am? 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:45.320 Yeah, you know. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.240 And so it's just a shame that you have to 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.280 like have these like stamps of approval to be taken seriously. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.280 And it's quite honestly one of the reasons why I 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.720 just speak directly to like, you know, our RBA's you know, 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.440 because it's hard out there, no streets. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.560 But yeah, so it's just like like I said, it 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:03.880 feels good. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.120 And although I am tired of people saying what's next, 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:07.520 I'm like, Sis, rest is next. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.240 I'm taking six weeks off, leave me alone. 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.080 What I want to know? Where's the party? 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:11.720 How? 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.040 Well? Yeah, what what does your rest look like? We 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.520 talked with like last week with Earn Your Leisure guys, which, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:21.520 by the way, epic show. Go listen, ey l. First 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.640 of all, all my guy friends and Enrique's my husband's 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:26.920 family and friends, like I have so much clout now 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.480 they actually pay attention. They're like, so you had Earn 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.080 your Leisure. Okay, so your podcast is like a thing, 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.280 but yeah we got we got yes, anyway, go check 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:38.840 it out. But on that show, we talked about what's 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.720 leisure and so what does rest look like for you? 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:46.360 What's restaurative you rest restorative to you? And how are 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.520 you going to recharge? Because you have given so so 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.960 much in a year, believe, in a year like this, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.080 you get like, wait, we didn't even put in that context. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.560 You had a bestseller in a pandemonium. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:00.840 Like TIV you knew that. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.720 I know you did that in a year when no 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.640 one would have blamed you for putting your head under 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.200 the pillow and just saying I cannot you Wow, I'm 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.639 getting tearyoyte. Anyway, I'll answer my question. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.480 Honestly, I would really love to go out so one 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.200 I'm actually going to pick back up with IVF because 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:20.520 I put it to the side. I was like I 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.159 cannot do this and I have to say it's just 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.560 not possible. I didn't want, you know, I didn't want 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.679 to be like all hormonal and like I was already 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.280 like you know, there's already a level of stress with 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:31.840 like doing like the launch and stuff. 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:33.679 So I'll pick it back up with IVF. 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:35.639 I would really like it depends on like where I 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.920 am with my cycle that I want to go away somewhere. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.080 So it's either I'm going to go away somewhere driveable 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.320 or depending on where I am with my cycle. If 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.680 I'm able to like go fly somewhere, then I will. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:47.399 I would love to do like I want to do 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.679 a solo trip. I haven't decided where, but then I 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:54.440 also want to do like a trip with hupstar with Superman, 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.800 and then even like a like a weekend thing, like 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.719 if it's like a like for example, my friend Rihanna 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:01.439 and I we went to Rhode Island. Remember that time 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.879 we went to Rhode Island into all the beautiful mansions, 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.440 like even something like that, like a girl something like that. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.840 So I want to do like three different things, one 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.760 for myself, one for me and hubby, and like something 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:12.560 even like a weekend thing for me and my girls. 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.440 So just to that's like in part because I needed 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:16.840