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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Carmen Turner shot with us a licensed clinical social worker,

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Speaker 2: psychological astrologer, author, teacher. The book we're talking about tonight,

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Speaker 2: it's called Phoenixes and Angels. She's been researching astrology, trauma, healing,

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Speaker 2: and transformation for the past twenty eight plus years. Carmen

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Speaker 2: began her astrological work at the age of sixteen after

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Speaker 2: an experience with a glowing ball of light in her doorway.

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Speaker 2: We'll have her explain that, and began studying metaphysics and

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Speaker 2: the Edgar Casey material at the time. Carmen was born

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Speaker 2: with intuitive abilities that she inherited from her maternal grandmother

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Speaker 2: and uses these spiritual techniques to better serve clients and

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Speaker 2: those who reach out to her for help and assistance. Carmen,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Hi, George, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to this and great book by the way,

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Speaker 2: Phoenixes and Angels. I love your cover. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they did a great job on that. I'm like

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Speaker 3: I wanted a phoenix and an angel and something just

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Speaker 3: very beautiful, so I'm really happy with it.

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Speaker 2: So tell us what happened to you at sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So one night I came back from a basketball

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Speaker 3: game and I woke up in the middle of the night.

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Speaker 3: And I always had to have my door open with

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Speaker 3: the nightlight on. You know. I really didn't like the dark.

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Speaker 3: And a dreamer, you know, I dreamed things and sleepwalk

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Speaker 3: and my parents didn't know what to do. And one

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Speaker 3: night I woke up and I saw this glowing ball

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Speaker 3: of light in my doorway and it was translucent, kind

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Speaker 3: of yellow, wee watery, about the size a little bigger

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Speaker 3: than a softball, and it was just floating there. And

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Speaker 3: I tried to yell for my mother, and our house

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Speaker 3: was pretty small, and I couldn't have no voice. It's

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Speaker 3: like I was frozen. I couldn't move, I couldn't say anything.

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Speaker 3: All I had control of was my mind, and I

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Speaker 3: just laid there and prayed, please don't have it come

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Speaker 3: in my room over and over again, because it was

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Speaker 3: the fear of the unknown. You know. Now, I would

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Speaker 3: probably get up and walk over to this, but at

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Speaker 3: And it would come and go and just stay right

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Speaker 3: I finally it's like it released me and I was

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Speaker 3: able to yell for my mother and she saw it too.

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Speaker 3: So I finally had a witness of some mystical spiritual

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Speaker 3: things that I had happened and where they used to

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Speaker 3: tell me just your imagination. My mother saw this glowing

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Speaker 3: ball as well, and after that I really started researching

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Speaker 3: angels and you know, spirit guides and studying all of

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Speaker 3: these things to try to explain my experience. You know,

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Speaker 3: why did I see this? Why did I feel the

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Speaker 3: way I did, and why did I dream things that

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Speaker 3: would happen? You know, I did that throughout my life,

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Speaker 3: even in high school. I was always open minded of

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Speaker 3: these things. And I wasn't raised to believe in these things.

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Speaker 3: I just was kind of born this way. And so

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Speaker 3: that's kind of what happened with that glowing ball.

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Speaker 2: Would you call it an orb?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I would call it an orb. You know, as

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Speaker 3: I started researching later on, I realized that that's probably

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Speaker 3: what it was. In I started search researching acting car

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Speaker 3: and spirit guides and angels and you know, and how

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Speaker 3: they present themselves. You know, it can be this yellow,

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Speaker 3: book I could get about angels and orbs and everything,

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Speaker 3: first books I got it was a little bookstore in

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Speaker 3: And I started teaching myself how to do my chart,

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Speaker 3: and I just researched and studied, and my chart explained

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Speaker 3: why I was the way I was. The eighth and

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Speaker 3: and it talks about spiritual unexplained gifts, dreams, seeing ghosts,

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Speaker 3: the way I am. It's my strology chart. And that

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Speaker 3: And at nineteen I started doing consuls in the Saint Louis,

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Speaker 3: part time. And then I always have had a normal job,

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Speaker 3: you know, as a social worker, but I've always done

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Speaker 2: I stay in Saint Louis half the time. Did you

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Speaker 2: know that?

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Speaker 3: I saw that on your bio.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: I went to colleg there at font Bond Universe.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I went there to play basketball, matter of fact, and

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Speaker 3: then I was a little point guard shooter. I was

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Speaker 3: a three point shooter. But then I went to wash You. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I went to wash You to get my master's in

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Speaker 3: social work right across the street there, and I grew

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Speaker 3: up in Rolla, Missouri. You know, that's not too far

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Speaker 3: from Saint Louis's where I grew up. Yeah, it's oh,

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Speaker 3: very hot, very hot.

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Speaker 2: Now when did your interest in astrology begin?

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Speaker 3: Well, it really started, you know after that that orbon

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Speaker 3: explain why I would dream things, why I would, you know,

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Speaker 3: kind of be intuitive and know things. I was very

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Speaker 3: I just became a obsessed with it, and I you know,

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Speaker 3: you know, I live it when I meet people. I've

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Speaker 3: always like, what you're fine, Oh, this is why you're

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Speaker 3: good at this. You know, I see people's strengths. And

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Speaker 3: I really have astrology as a real part of my

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Speaker 3: the past twenty eight years, I've been I've been living it.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to take some readings with you in

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Speaker 2: just their birth date, right, Yes, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: And I can tell a little bit about those sun

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Speaker 3: have a question or two, I'm willing to do that.

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Speaker 2: George, if you want to sure, we'll have some fun

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Speaker 2: and then then I'll take some general questions about astrology

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Speaker 2: as well. What is a birth chart? What does that?

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Speaker 3: Yes, So the the way I explain it, you know,

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Speaker 3: my goal is to explain astrology on a very basic,

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Speaker 3: my mission because a lot of people shy away from

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Speaker 3: astrology because they feel like it's complex and it's all

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Speaker 3: a very easy way to explain to the audience what

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Speaker 3: your birth chart is is when you're at the on

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Speaker 3: the sky on the day, months, year, exact time of birth,

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Speaker 3: certain star constellation, which we call the signs, and there's

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Speaker 3: your soul. The birth chart is kind of when your

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Speaker 3: your soul came here to learn. So even twins can

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Speaker 3: so important that we have the time of birth as

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Speaker 3: on sun sign alone, you know, I can do that.

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Speaker 2: That's what we'll do with our calls. Yes, yes, Now,

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Speaker 2: generally when you talk about twelve astrological houses. What does

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Speaker 3: Yes, So the way as strologers we break it up

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Speaker 3: So the first house is rolled by aries. It's a

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Speaker 3: fire sign. So the first house is all about your identity, yourself,

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Speaker 3: your appearance. You know. The rising sign starts the first

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Speaker 3: think you are, right, that rising sign. And then the

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Speaker 3: second house is money, finance, security, what you value. The

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Speaker 3: third house is communication, siblings, short journeys, publishing, radio, writing.

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Speaker 3: Fourth houses home and family. It's your childhood, your roots,

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Speaker 3: self expression, your creativity. You know, how you show people

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Speaker 3: who you are. You know a lot of talented, you know,

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Speaker 3: artistic people have this house planets. The sixth houses health,

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Speaker 3: your diet with the sixth house. The seventh house is

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Speaker 3: house of death. This is the house of rebirth, healing, regeneration, change.

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Speaker 3: It's a very powerful house. It's rule by Scorpio, so

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Speaker 3: it's rule by Pluto, which is all about cataclysmic change

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Speaker 3: of the identity, the emotions, the soul. So there's a

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Speaker 3: also healing and people become psychologists, social workers and raking

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Speaker 3: masters and astrologers right when you have these house planets,

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Speaker 3: and they usually have unexplained spiritual experiences. From my research,

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Speaker 3: then the ninth house is all about foreign travel, foreign culture,

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Speaker 3: higher education, higher knowledge, and that tenth house cust is

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Speaker 3: your career tust. So the tenth house rules your career.

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Speaker 3: And then the eleventh house is friendship groups, humanitarian causes, networking,

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Speaker 3: at this time to go through these very deep, profound experiences,

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Speaker 3: I could never find any books on the Twelfth House

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Speaker 3: like they're not from Earth. You know, That's what I

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Speaker 3: I feel so different than everyone. And every time I

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Speaker 3: hear this with everyone, I need that has these planets

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Speaker 3: in these two houses. And so I created Facebook groups

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Speaker 3: a long time ago when it was brand new. I

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Speaker 3: help each other, it's like support groups, they post their

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Speaker 3: birth charts. I'm the admin, you know, I help them

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Speaker 3: from people sharing their experiences through my strategy groups too.

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Speaker 3: So that was a big part of my book, Phoenixes

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Speaker 3: and Angels that I shared some client stories in there

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Speaker 3: of real things that have happened to them.

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Speaker 2: Now, the definition of phoenixes are remarkable individuals. Is that

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Speaker 2: what you mean here?

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Speaker 3: Yes? To me, a phoenix is it's it's someone that

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Speaker 3: has the sun or moon, or three or more planets

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Speaker 3: their birth chart, like a Scorpio sun, a Scorpio moon.

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Speaker 3: And I call them phoenixes because they go through these

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Speaker 3: death and rebirth experiences. What the phoenix does, you know?

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Speaker 3: It it can accumulate it, you know, it brings energy in.

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Speaker 3: It can get really heavy, you know. And it's like

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Speaker 3: on Harry Potter when when the pheasburg blew up, He's like,

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Speaker 3: it's about time, right, That's what happens. If they tell

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Speaker 3: people they repressed, hold on everything and then they just

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Speaker 3: they let it go and they cut ties and they're

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Speaker 3: reborn emotionally, mentally, physically, and they have it's like they

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Speaker 3: wake up and they feel like they're a whole different person,

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Speaker 3: like they don't even know who they are anymore because

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Speaker 3: they've changed on a deep level. That's why I call

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Speaker 3: them phoenixes, because they rise from the ashes stronger and

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Speaker 3: they're one of the most resilient houses is the apaus.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the most resilient. So no matter what

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Speaker 3: trauma or hard challenges life gives the Apous people and

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Speaker 3: and they become what I call wounded healers. They go

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Speaker 3: been through what they've been through, and they it's amazing

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Speaker 3: hear what they've been through, they're strong. You know, they

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Speaker 3: really are. And that's why you know the mea phoenix

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Speaker 3: is powerful, right, a very powerful, strong, healing individual.

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Speaker 2: Right now, they're the different houses, the twelve houses all

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Speaker 2: go to different people. Or can one individual touch all

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. So it depends on the date, months, time,

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Speaker 3: place your birth where all those planets are going to be.

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Speaker 3: So some people may not have any planets in some

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Speaker 3: of the houses, right And that's how we know your

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Speaker 3: unique personality, because everybody is going to have planets in

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Speaker 3: always tell people that what we look at then if

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Speaker 3: we want to see what sign, what astrological sign falls

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Speaker 3: house energy twelve house energy. And we also have what's

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Speaker 3: top of your birth chart, and I can tell you, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you've got a Pluto transit in your A house or

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Speaker 3: Saturn transit in your twelve house, and you still are

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Speaker 3: going to experienced eighth and twelve Houns energy in your

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Speaker 3: life even if you're not born with planets there in

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Speaker 2: If that makes sense, pretty remarkable.

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