1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Anyries and I'm 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Lauren vocal Bam and this is the second edition of 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: our cocktail our. Yes, still no cocktails though, Oh no, 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: we don't know. We we both have water, don't we. 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: We do. But we did just come straight from a 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: distillery in Atlanta that makes jim. Yeah, and we sampled 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: some of the gin there. We did away before lunch, 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: that's true, but it was for work, so for strictly 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: research related purposes it uh And it's old Fourth Distillery 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and it was awesome. Yeah, oh yeah, it was. 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: It was really really cool getting to watch the process 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: of how gin gets made. And we'll have a video 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: on that out around the time that this podcast comes out. Yes, 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: and this is probably the time when we should mention 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: the cocktail we are discussing tonic. Yes, what you might 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: know from the from the title of the episode two. 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hope so, but yeah, it's always good 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: to get that out there in the beginning. Oh yes, ye, 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: gin tonic, Yes, that's what we're talking about today, right 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: or the G and T that's also called sometimes also 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: called gin tonic without the end and right now it's 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: having a bit of a resurgence, a little bit of 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: a moment in the past couple of years, particularly in Spain, 24 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: where it's sort of a national drink and borderline obsession. 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: Really yeah, they they have like a variation on it 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: that has more ice and a garnish and it's served 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: in a balloon glass that purportedly enhances your ability to 28 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: smell the drink. I have had one of these um 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: and it was lovely, and it came with one of 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: those big excuse like circulars. Yeah. Those always make me 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: really happy. Yeah. Yeah that then again, as we found out, 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: as we find out every time we go on a 33 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: shoot together, very easily entertained. Yes, both of us are. 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: There's bubbles, bubbles. The people working are like, okay, we're enthusiastic. Yes, 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a positive, Yes, I think at any rate. 36 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: The gin and tonic Um, which I very much enjoy, 37 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: even just the regular way, of course, has long been 38 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: a go to in Britain, where you can even buy 39 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: it in pre mixed cans, which I find slightly horrifying 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: to be super honest. Yeah, I saw one of those 41 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: and I thought it was like it kind of looks 42 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: similar to a frisca if anyone's familiar with that. So 43 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: I went to kind of examine it more closely. Oh, 44 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: this is a jinny tonic, Okay. Winston Churchill once said 45 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: that quote, the gin and tonic has saved more englishmen's 46 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: lives and minds than all the doctors in the empire. Wow. 47 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: And the New York Times called the year of the 48 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: gin and Tonic. But the gin and tonic has not 49 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: always been this trinity summer drink. Yeah. Uh, more on 50 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: that in a moment. But first, what's a gin and tonic? Annie? Well, Lauren, 51 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell you it is a highball cocktail, which is 52 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: basically just an alcohol based spirit mixed with a larger 53 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: percentage of a mixer. And the alcohol based in this 54 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: case is you guessed it, gent gin. And what could 55 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: the mixer be, It's tonic. Um. The order of operations 56 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: here typically is the gin, the tonic, lime juice if 57 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: you want it, that's optional, and ice. I've seen it 58 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: done other ways, but that's mostly what I came across 59 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: when I was researching this. And then a lime wedger 60 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: or twist to garnish rights. And typically the ratio of 61 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: gin two tonic is somewhere between one to one or 62 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: one to three. And yeah, the lime wedge pretty important. 63 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: But that's it. Yeah, I mean, of course there's there's 64 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: variations obviously. Um, popular ones put in Astora anger, Stora 65 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: think okay, we think mint and all kinds of tonic 66 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: water things. There's whatever tonic you choose to put in there. Yes, 67 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: there's so many options there. There's artisanal tonic water. My 68 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 1: boyfriend and pretty much everyone I talked to about it 69 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: in London swears by fever Tree, excellent brand. Um. You 70 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: can make your own tonic sup, or you can do 71 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: both and mixing together. Yeah, there's a lot of options there. Um. 72 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: And since there are only two ingredients and there's usually 73 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: more tonic water than gin, you want to make sure 74 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: that you like the tonic water you're using if you 75 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: want to enjoy your verage. Yes, and and it helps 76 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: if you like the gin that you're using as well. Yeah, 77 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 1: this is a drink that I think you really don't 78 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: want to get the cheap stuff. Um. And a personal 79 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: note for me, I did not know I liked gin 80 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 1: and tonics until fairly recently, because I is just drinking, 81 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: just drinking terrible gam terrible gin and probably terrible tonic juice. 82 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: I was one of those people. I was like it 83 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: days like a iron tree. Did you just call it 84 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: tonic juice? Yeah, that was pretty cool, patented, yes, yes. Um. 85 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: My favorite every day affordable gin of choice is eat 86 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: Or twenty four by the way, and I did a 87 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,679 Speaker 1: tour of their. Uh I almost said brewery. That's not correct. 88 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: Distillery in London when I was there, and it was 89 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: really really cool. It was really neat man. Yeah, I 90 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: all the distilleries now, just from now on, it's all 91 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: I want to do. Go visit distilleries, work on that 92 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: I find. I wanted to put in that I find 93 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: New Amsterdam perfectly acceptable. But of course nice gents are nice. 94 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: Um number three London Dry might be my personal favorite 95 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: sometimes occasionally. Really I like alcohol, yeah, I mean, work 96 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: with what you got, but I do think that this 97 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: is one of the drinks that if you can get 98 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: something a little better like the one I said is 99 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: only only bucks. So that's not terrible, but not at all. Yeah. 100 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: But back to tonic water right. Bars in the US 101 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: have been criticized for using a soda gun for the 102 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: tonic water part um and that stuff. According to some 103 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: chefs or mixologists, it doesn't have quinine in it. It 104 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: may or may not. It may or may not, which 105 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: is a bitter ingredient that we're going to talk about 106 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: a lot more. And it's very important. It's this whole thing. 107 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: It's it's what makes tonic water tastes like tonic water, right, um. 108 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 1: And that's why I mixologists suggest to your questra tonic 109 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: water out of a bottle. But that sounds to me 110 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: like I should have just saved some bucks and ordered 111 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: something else or made my own at home. Up to you, 112 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: and yeah, the key to this drink is balancing this 113 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: bitter flavor of the tonic water with the kind of 114 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: flowery botanical herbal herbie kind of kind of flavors of 115 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: the gin. Right, And the key botanical the key ingredient 116 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: is juniper in the gent. Yes, it's the most prominent. 117 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Note it has to be the most prominent. Note. You 118 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: have to have juniper. This is very serious, and not 119 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: just to annie. But annie is illegally okay, oh that 120 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: is serious good in collagen, yes, um. But but of 121 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: course there's lots of other ingredients and gin makers used 122 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: to flavor their products all kinds of stuff Yeah, lemon peels, 123 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: coriander seed, almonds or liquor shroot, and angelica seed. And 124 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: they're so so, so so many. The one that I like, 125 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: they use tea, I believe. Yeah. And the Gin and 126 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: Tonic has been cited as an example of a food 127 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: pairing type drink, meaning that the two ingredients taste differently 128 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: apart than they do together. And this is because chemistry. Yeah. Yeah, 129 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: the molecules that give gin and tonic their flavor are 130 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: very similarly structured, so they attract and create aggregates that 131 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: change the taste and more than some of their parts. Yeah. 132 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: So how did all of this get started? Great question. Yes, 133 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: as you might have gathered from that Churchill quote, we 134 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: largely have the British to think for the Gin and Tonic, 135 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: And according to Slate, there was a period of time 136 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: when the G and T was quote as essential weapon 137 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: for the British Empire as the gatlinga, which is a 138 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: big claim, big claim. Yeah, and it turns out that 139 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: it's kind of true. Yeah, kind of, but let's find out. Yes, 140 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: as with most things, the origin story of gin is 141 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: a little difficult history to been down. But a six 142 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: century Dutch physician Silvius the bulb Uh. He developed a 143 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: high alcoholic medicinal concoction called geneva Um. He used the 144 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: essential oils of juniper berries, which he believed was a 145 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: curative and a circulation improver. Yeah, a lot of alcohol. 146 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Started out as a curate. Yes, they're like, oh, yes, 147 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: this thing is healthy. We should definitely absolutely drink more 148 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: of it. Right. The juniper berry, which comes from a 149 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: coniferous plant, has a history of being thought of as 150 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: this medicinal thing, going all the way back to Italian 151 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: monks using distill spirits flavored with juniper berries as a 152 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: not actually working remedy for the plague. Oh yeah, well, 153 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: I guess at a certain point you're going to try 154 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: anything that you've got. That's true. I probably didn't make 155 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: things worse. Maybe it did, so I think I think 156 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: at the point of the plague, you you're not your trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 157 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: but it might have made you feel better, I guess 158 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: us if you yeah, one can hope. Um. The story 159 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: goes that the English first encountered Gin either during the 160 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: Dutch War of Independence during the fifteen eighties or the 161 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: thirty Year War that took place from sixteen eighteen to sixteen, 162 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: and they gave it the nickname Dutch courage or Gin, 163 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: a shortened version of geneva. Yeah uh. And once William 164 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: of Orange became King of England after the Glorious Revolution 165 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: of eight Jin's popularity increased dramatically due to high terrors 166 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: placed on the previously more popular hard liquor of the day, 167 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: French brandy, which motivated the English to find ways to 168 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: make cheap and they did, they really did. It was 169 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: so very cheap and and was used again in in 170 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: a medicinal kind of fashion. It was used to ease 171 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: hunger pains uh, warm you against the cold, distract you 172 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: from brutal, thankless factory work, you know, and and give 173 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: you a buzz right you know, that positive fun thing 174 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: out of it too. Um. Also, if the sailors couldn't 175 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: find or didn't want to buy juniper berries, they'd use 176 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: turpentine or other horrible you should not be drinking this 177 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: type things. Yeah Gin. Rooms typically came with this signage 178 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: over their door quote drunk for a penny, dead, drunk 179 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: for twopennies, clean straw for nothing, but the straw was 180 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: usually soaked in foment. Yes, drink responsibly kids. Yes, you 181 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: probably should have said that at the top of the podcast. 182 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: Oh you're getting it now, Yes, you made it this part. Yes, Um. 183 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: English gin consumption would skyrocket in the eighteenth century, leading 184 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: to an uptick of public drunkenness, followed by the gin craiz. 185 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: It was a freak out among those more well off, 186 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: the morality of drinking gin. By the and this was 187 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: my favorite part of the beef Ever tour, by the way, 188 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: it was like a haunted house. It was like you 189 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 1: were suddenly in a haunted house because they had it 190 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: like old London streets and it was dark and their 191 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: people screaming and crying. Well, it was crazy. It sounds 192 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about it this way before, but this 193 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: totally sounds like refor madness. Yeah. Yeah, it was really 194 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: cool but but but I mean kind of. At the time, 195 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 1: there were some terrible things happening because of the the 196 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: the cheapness and the availability of gin in London. The 197 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: death rate surpassed the birth rate, and of babies died 198 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: by the age of five. Mothers with newborns would give 199 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: babies gin to calm them down. Um. The moms themselves 200 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: were sometimes addicted to gin and didn't provide their children 201 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: with much attention. They're giving that attention to the gin 202 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: um are or babies were born with fetal alcohol syndrome. 203 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: And because women were more often impacted than men, jin 204 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: earned nicknames like quote Ladies Delight and Mother's Ruin, and 205 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: that one is still around to this day Truin, and 206 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: some popular gin bars are called that. Oh, and this 207 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: is very important. The gin we're talking about in old London, 208 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: that that's not today's jin. No. No, we have improved 209 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: distillation technologies, uh, safety regulations which are pretty okay sometimes Yes. 210 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: And according to a Vice article I read quote, the 211 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: gin of the eighteenth century was a throat searing I 212 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: read in ing vomit, churning hell broth, hell broth. Yeah. Oh, 213 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: Vice has a way of putting things. I have to say, 214 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: hell broth. I might be hesitant to and vibe a 215 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: hell broth, but I don't know. I kind of want 216 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: to try it. It would depend if it was a 217 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: Halloween type situation. I'd give it a go. I mean, 218 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a first step anyway. I drank mold this week. 219 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: That's true. We've had adventures, we have watched the videos. Well, 220 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: despite the fact that I would try hell broth, and 221 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: certainly a lot of the English were apparently more than 222 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: trying hell broth. Uh not. Everyone was on board for 223 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: all of this, all of this crazy gin behavior, and 224 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: the government had a few things to say about it. 225 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: We'll get to those after a quick break for a 226 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back, thank you sponsor. 227 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: So in response to this gin panic, the English Parliament 228 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: drafted a series of laws um eight Gin Acts to 229 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: be exact, and these were aimed at minimizing gin drinking 230 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: during the seventeen thirties in in what historians compare to 231 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: our modern day war on drugs. The first Gin Act, 232 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: a steep tax on jin, had this glaring loophole, though, 233 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: and that gin was defined as something that had quote 234 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: juniper berries or other fruit spices or ingredients. Yeah, so 235 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: people just didn't add those things and therefore made what 236 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: they what they called parliamentary brandy, and that kind of 237 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: There was another Gin Act, and they also people found 238 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: a way around that one. And then in four Judas 239 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: de four killed her baby and sold the babies clothes 240 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: to by gin, which resulted in the third Gin Act, 241 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: prohibiting sale of gin over two gallons and enacting a 242 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: stiff tariff of one pound per gallon on top of 243 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: the fifty pound annual license fee required to sell it. 244 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: And this did a good job of putting legitimate sellers 245 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: out of business and placing them with corner sellers who 246 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: peddled dangerous, cheap stuff that blinded and or killed people. 247 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: Because we all know it's always really good when you 248 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: when a government tries to crack down on I think 249 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: the people really like yeah uh it. And the Fourth 250 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: Din Act also rewarded and protected informants, people who would 251 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: tell the police give the police information about who was 252 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: selling jin, who was drinking gin. But informants had to 253 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: know the name of the renter of a property selling 254 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: gin for the authorities to act on their tip. So 255 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: Captain Dudley brad Street. Captain Dudley brad Street, he sounds 256 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: like an upstanding gentleman. Not really, probably not. He circumvented 257 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: this in seventeen thirty eight by having a friend rent 258 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: a house in London where he nailed the sign of 259 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: a cat in the window and hit a pipe underneath 260 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: the cat's paw. Captain Bradstreet got some food, thirteen pounds 261 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: worth of gin, and barricaded himself inside. After he had 262 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: spread the word that the next day jen would be 263 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: available from a cat in the alley. I'd be intrigued. 264 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: Customers place coins and a slot over the cat's mouth, 265 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: and the captain slowly poured gin from the pipe underneath 266 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: the cat's paw. And he did this for three months 267 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: before copycats caused him to move on. But despite what 268 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: you might think and what I thought, this probably isn't 269 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: where old tom jin comes from. But it did lead 270 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: to the creation of puss and muse houses where mws 271 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: like yeah, not like mus an idea yeah, where a 272 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: customer wanting to buy jin from a vendor in some 273 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: secluded space would say puss and the vendor would say 274 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: muse and reveal a drawer that the customer would put 275 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: their money in, which the vendor took and then pushed 276 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: it back out. But now magically it had ah. That 277 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: was magic magic, great kind of magic. H But but 278 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: but the but the people would We're not having this. 279 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: They wanted their gin. They did, And by seventeen forty 280 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: three people were rioting in protest to these tariffs. And 281 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: despite the tariffs. Londoners were consuming eleven million gallons of 282 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: gin annually by seventeen fifty. Jin informers were killed on 283 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: the streets, sometimes by mobs who seventeen hundred, social historian 284 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: Thomas Felding wrote in a political pamphlet about the destruction 285 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: Gin was reeking on what he called the quote inferior 286 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: people um, and he wrote, quote, A new kind of drunkenness, 287 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: unknown to our ancestors, is lately sprung up among us, which, 288 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: if not put to a stop, will infallibly destroy a 289 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: great part of the inferior people. The drunkenness I here 290 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: intenders by this poison called jin, the principal substenance parentheses, 291 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: if it may be so called, of more than a 292 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people in this goodness. Yeah, so yes. The 293 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: government kept trying the Gin Act of seventeen fifty one 294 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: up to the costs of operation for gin stores um, 295 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: either due to that or more likely the rising grain 296 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: costs that translated to higher gin costs for customers that 297 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: encouraged them to switch to the cheaper beer. Consumption of 298 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: gin did lesson, but it was still miss or mr 299 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: popularity as spirits go in Britain, m hmmm. And I 300 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: just want to mention here that there's a terrifying picture 301 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: about the immoral stuff caused by jin called jin Lane 302 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: by William Hogarth, and I stared at it discovering one 303 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: horrifying thing after another for a long time on my 304 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: store of b theater. Go go look it up if 305 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: you're looking for something disturbing. It's oddly mesmerizing and terrifying 306 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: will William Hogarth jin Lane. Check it out. M hm. 307 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: And the negative connotation Gin earned during this gin craze 308 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: is still around to this day, and in phrases like 309 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: gin joint, gin drunk, and soaked bats of gin and 310 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: gin mills. And I've never heard the term gin drunk, 311 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: by the way, but apparently this is becoming mean, our 312 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: emotional when you're drunk. Yeah, so that's that's gin. Yeah. 313 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: Now we should talk for a moment about tonic. We 314 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: should the other key ingredients. Yes, so the tonic that 315 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: we know today a sugar sweetened carbonated soda that's flavored 316 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: with the bitter tangy Quinine is also a thing that 317 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: originated as a medicine, and specifically as a treatment for malaria. Well, now, 318 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: quinine is a compound that occurs in nature, specifically in 319 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: the bark of a large shrub and or small tree 320 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: called the sancona, which is native to the Andes Mountains 321 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: in South America. Unlike the Sancona, malaria is not native 322 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: to South America. The Spanish brought it with them during 323 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: their invade and colonization, starting with Christopher Columbus in the 324 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: late fourteen hundreds He's gonna show one day, One day, Christopher, 325 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: and malaria was a really huge problem throughout Europe at 326 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: that time, where it was generally called the ague. Up 327 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: through the mid sixteen hundreds, no one knew what to 328 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: do about it. If folks would come down with this 329 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: mysterious flu like fever that would come and go and 330 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: would frequently cause complications leading to death, and a lot 331 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: of people were doing this, although it didn't help that 332 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: the medicine in Europe was still focused on the humors 333 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: um and popular wisdom was that you should bleed or 334 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: or purge a patient with agu uh. Other potential cures 335 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: were astrology, of course, and reportedly this one's my favorite, 336 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: throwing a patient head first into a shrub and encouraging 337 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: him to disentangle himself faster than the disease could disentangle itself. 338 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: How the disease disentangle itself because it's a it's a 339 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: it's like a little spirit that's hanging out with you. 340 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: And so if you can get up faster than the disease, 341 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: then you leave the disease in the shrub. I see 342 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: totally logical. Completely. I don't know why I haven't tried this. 343 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: Let me get someone to throw me ahead first, like 344 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: time I've got any kind of like cold that won't 345 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: go as Kyle, no worries. But in the sixteen thirties, though, 346 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: and Augustinian monk by the name of Antonio di Colancha, 347 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: I think, wrote home about the powdered bark of this 348 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: Peruvian tree that was working wonders for the treatment of 349 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: a Q. Historians think that probably native people's developed this 350 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: cure in the couple hundred years that've been dealing with 351 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: malaria and passed it on to the Europeans. But since 352 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: Augustinian monk was getting excited about it, Pope Innocent the 353 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: tenth had some of his people look into it, and 354 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: over the next hundred years or so it had become 355 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: a major European import and a widespread treatment and preventative 356 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: for malaria, because quinine kills the parasite that causes malaria. 357 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: It turns out bully. It took a while for the 358 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: British to catch on, though, because its associations with the 359 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: Catholic Church freaked out a whole lot of Protestants. Oliver 360 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: Cromwell supposedly refused treatment with it, leading to his death 361 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: in the sixteen fifties, although he also had taihoid fevers, 362 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: so it probably didn't help the situation none of those things. 363 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: But catch on they did, and the Spanish basically had 364 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: a monopoly on the Peruvian crops, so they made a mint. 365 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 1: Legend has it that it was sometimes referred to as 366 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: bark from the fever tree. I see. Yeah. Meanwhile, throughout 367 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds, Europe would go a little bit nuts 368 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: about sparkling mineral waters, first taken from natural springs and 369 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: then artificially produced through various carbonation processes. It was a 370 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: health trend, and also, you know, fizzies are fun um. 371 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: But these healthy sparkling beverages were sometimes called tonics, and 372 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: Johann Jacob Schwepp, yes what that swept founded the first 373 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: carbonated water manufacturing company in Geneva in three mm hmm 374 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: sparkling water Aside in eighteen twenty, after decades of scientists 375 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,239 Speaker 1: searching for the compound in Sancona that makes it such 376 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: an effective medicine, these two French pharmacists by the names 377 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: of do it for me Annie here, Joseph and Joseph n. 378 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 1: I think, oh that's oh see, yeah, that's a lot 379 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: better than I would have done thanking. The two of 380 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: them isolated uh coining and set up a factory for 381 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: its extraction in Paris, and this made it possible to 382 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: eat slightly less tree bark while attempting to not get malaria, 383 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: which I'm sure a lot of people were very fond of. Sure. Meanwhile, 384 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: as this was happening, the Spanish colonies in South America 385 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: were fighting for their independence, and afterward they would attempt 386 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: to control the lucrative Sintona industry by limiting or flat 387 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: out outlawing the exportation of seeds and cuttings of Sinchona plants. 388 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: But despite the price, all of the conquering empires, including 389 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: the British, were on board with Sincona and Quinine and 390 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: used it to start eradicating malaria in Europe throughout the 391 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. However, malaria was still a huge problem in 392 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: the tropics, which is largely where the conquering empires were 393 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: getting their conquer on because of sugar and other stuff sugar, sugar, 394 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: and this all came to a head in British run 395 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: India during the early eighteen hundreds. People were taking daily 396 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: doses of cowining to prevent malaria. Because it's so bitter, 397 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: folks were starting to mix it with sparkling water and 398 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of sugar, and thus tonic water was born, 399 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: which brings us to the gin and tonic. But first 400 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: it brings us to a word from our sponsor, and 401 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: we're back, thank you sponsor. Okay, now that we've got 402 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: a gin, we've got our tonic. Where did the idea 403 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: of mixing them come from? Well, it was kind of 404 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: a Merry Poppin situation. A spoonful sugar helps the medicine 405 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: go down. Around British soldiers in India started adding gin 406 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: to their daily required quiney tonic water, and also as 407 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: an added bonus, the British Navy squeezed in some lime 408 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: juice to prevent scurvy. And this is where the nickname 409 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: for the British lime it comes from. Oh, I know, 410 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: I should have guessed that a long time ago. I 411 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: feel very silly now, okay, that's fine. By the eighteen forties, 412 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: the British population in India was using, in fact, more 413 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: than seven hundred tons a sincona bark per year to 414 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: fight to fight m area there wow. And in eighteen 415 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: fifty eight the British took over governance of India from 416 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: the British East India Company following the violent Suppoy Revolution 417 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: also called the Indian Mutiny. A bunch of other names too, 418 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: but those are that those cover the bases um. With 419 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: more British soldiers and their families in India than ever, 420 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: the demand for tonic water increased, which led to Erasmus 421 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: Bond's creation the first commercial tonic water in that same year, 422 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: which you can still buy. I've never heard of it, 423 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: me neating, And that led to your schwepps h the 424 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: Indian Quinine tonic in eighteen seventy, and both of these 425 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: went on to find success outside of India in Britain 426 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,239 Speaker 1: as well. Meanwhile, Charles Ledger, an Englishman who became an 427 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: alpaca farmer in Peru smuggled sin connoisseeds out of Peru 428 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: to his brother during the eighteen sixties because at the 429 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: time it was still illegal to export the trees or 430 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: the seeds. Right, he actually had a history of smuggling. 431 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: He also smuggled alpaca out of the country. It was 432 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: just a smuggler, apparently better at it than Han Solo. 433 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: He didn't get caught, Oh Solo vernon the Gin and 434 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: Tonic episode. Anyway, the British government would not buy these 435 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: these seeds that he that he smuggled out, but the 436 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: Dutch government would and did, and they set up plantations 437 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: on Java, which was one of their colonial outposts. And 438 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: so by World War one the Dutch pretty much dominated 439 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: the coining trade, and by the end of the century 440 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: they controlled nine percent of the world's supply. That's quite 441 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: quite a large percentage, is Epitaph reads by the way 442 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: Charles Ledger, he gave coining to the world. H Yeah, 443 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: and the G and T was also thought to have 444 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: played a role in World War two when the Japanese 445 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: forces took over Java and all those Sincona plantations, which 446 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: equalled most of the world's supply according to Amy Stuar, 447 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: it's book The Drunk Botanist, which I absolutely want to read. Yeah, 448 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: the last American plane out of Indonesia had four million 449 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: coining seeds on board, but to know immediate a veil 450 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: because the trees would take too long to grow to 451 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: be of any use during the war. But that didn't 452 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: stop the Allies from planting trees in Africa at the 453 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: same time putting scientists to work developing a synthetic replacement. Ah, 454 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: and both succeeded. To this day, Africa grows natural coining 455 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: and the and the synthetic version is used in some prescriptions. Yeah, 456 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: because it's still used as an anti malarial m HM 457 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: and for some other things. But that's a different episode entirely. 458 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: It is it is. That's pretty much the history of 459 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: the gin and tonic. We obviously, as always had to 460 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: shorten it. Especially we didn't talk about how you still gin. 461 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: We're going to do that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should. 462 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: We should definitely do a whole episode about um more 463 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: more gin things. There's really quite a lot. It's it's 464 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: such a base alcohol that there's quite a lot to 465 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: say about it. And we also just today as we 466 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: as we said, we've got to go see it being distilled. 467 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: So this is new knowledge that's park lating in our brains. 468 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: It's true. We do have a few closing remarks, yes, 469 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: including you can make your own gin at home using vodka, um, 470 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: juniper berries you have to and other botanicals. Um. And 471 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people say that jen is 472 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: basically flavored vodka, and I mean that's true. Yeah, it's 473 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: a it's a neutral spirit to which juniper berries have 474 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: been added to. That is the definition of jin. Yeah. 475 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: So I have to say I was surprised when I 476 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: was like, how do you make jin? And there were 477 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: so many recipes that were just like cheap vodka for berries, 478 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: And I was kind of like at that point maybe 479 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: by just but I'm all down for trying things. Yeah, 480 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: could it could be great if you want to experiment 481 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: with with your own flavors. Then absolutely didn't do it. Yeah, 482 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: I mean I want to go put tea and some 483 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: gin right now. It was good? Yeah. Uh, tonic water 484 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: glows under black light, not because of the quining in it. Yeah. 485 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: So that's a really fun Halloween trick. Um. If you 486 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: if you want to make a cheap Halloween decorations. Just 487 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 1: toss some coining in some in some vases and let 488 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: him go. I thought you're gonna say, like, throw it 489 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: on the walls. I'm clean up. That wouldn't be very effective. 490 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: That would drive pretty fast, Okay. And finally, here's a 491 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: quote from Douglas adams Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Oh, 492 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: this is so delightful. Gay. Yes, I'm gonna try to 493 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: get through these pronunciations, but we'll see. It is as follows, 494 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: of all known worlds in the galaxy, be they primitive, 495 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: are highly advanced, have invented a drink called gin and 496 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: Tonics or gene and nicks or gen nis, or any 497 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: one of a thousand or more variations on the same 498 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: phonetic theme. Douglas Adams, Yes, so that brings us to 499 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: listener man. Yeah, Sierra wrote in response to our Fried 500 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: Chicken episode and Annie's bafflement about Scottish immigrants being associated 501 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: with the South, I mean our our mutual bafflement really 502 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: um a quote in the recent History of Fried Chicken episode. 503 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: I was intrigued by the theory of the Scots bringing 504 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: over the techniques of fried chicken to North America. I 505 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: believe you mentioned that you were unsure of how possibly 506 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: it came to be centralized in the South under this theory, 507 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to throw in my own theory 508 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: of how this might have happened based on Scottish history. 509 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: After the failed Jacobite Rebellion of seventeen forty five at 510 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: the defeat of Clodon, many of the Scots had been 511 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: taken prisoners for treason against the crown, and the Highland 512 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: ways were systematically being destroyed and disassembled. Many of those 513 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: Scots that were taken prisoner that were not immediately executed 514 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: were transported to the colonies in America, with some being 515 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: sold as a dead church servants to pay for their transportation. 516 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: Many of the transported ended particularly in the southern colonies 517 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: and Appalachia, with most of the Scottish indentured servants ending 518 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: up on plantations. As the Highland clans were broken up 519 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: over the next fifty years, many Scots began to immigrate 520 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: to the colonies as well, often following where the previous 521 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: Scots had been transported to. This has just me spitballing here, 522 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: but it could have created a fusion between their techniques 523 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,719 Speaker 1: for fried chicken and the techniques of the African slaves 524 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: that they were likely in semi close quarters with if 525 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: they were indentured servants on plantations. I'm no historian, so 526 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: I leave the conclusions to them. It's still a good 527 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: a good theory, though, and thank you so much for 528 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: writing in UM, because we were baffled and we did 529 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: not have time to research, said bafflement. Yes, so thank 530 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: you very much. Heidi wrote in with this theory about 531 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: why Easter might be the second biggest brunch day of 532 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: the year in the US. Quote during the Brunch podcast, 533 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: you mentioned that Mother's Day and Easter were two the 534 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: biggest brunch days of the year, but could not understand 535 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: why Easter was so popular. I have a theory based 536 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: on my years as a server and a movie Easter parade. 537 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: Many people get a new outfit and hat for Easter. 538 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: Are you going to go home after church and take 539 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: it off to cook dinner or would you go to 540 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: brunch and all your new finery. I loved working Easter 541 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: Brunch just for people watching and the hats. Kentucky Derby 542 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: has nothing on Easter hat. Wow. I do remember one 543 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: year when a fellow server got bumped carrying a tray 544 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: of omelets and spilled them all over the most fabulous, 545 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: beautiful hat in the dining room. I think the waitress 546 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: cried harder than the owner of the hat. Oh my goodness, 547 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: I know now I'm I want to go hat watching. 548 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: After duly noted, Yeah, all right, we need to track 549 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: down the right the right brunch spots in Atlanta to 550 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: do this. That We've got almost a year two research, 551 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: so I think we can do this. My grandmother did 552 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: used to take me out before Easter and I didn't 553 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: buy hats, but I usually got a dress. So this theory, 554 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: I've never seen it in person, but I I buy 555 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: that it's probably that that could be part of it 556 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. I mean also, I guess it's a 557 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: it's a holiday, give give give mom a break from 558 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 1: doing the cooking again, you know that kind of thing. Yeah. Also, 559 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: I did want to mention that U. 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