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Speaker 2: On this Tuesday, Dan and the Danist Dan Patrick Show
Speaker 2: come on in stay a while, spend a lot of time,
Speaker 2: maybe too much time, talking about one report that came
Speaker 2: out about Shudor Sanders being arrogant and brash in one
Speaker 2: of the interviews at the combine. Also, we have a
Speaker 2: couple of draft analysts, including Matt Miller from the Mothership.
Speaker 2: He'll join us. He said the following that he hasn't
Speaker 2: heard anyone talk with conviction about Shudor as quarterback one
Speaker 2: in the top ten or even as a first rounder.
Speaker 2: He'll explain coming up in about twenty minutes from now.
Speaker 2: While we were having this conversation about Shador Sanders and
Speaker 2: is it kind of a smear campaign or keep in
Speaker 2: mind it's only one team that said this off the record,
Speaker 2: so you don't even know which team feels this way.
Speaker 2: Peter King got a hold of Fritzy. Peter will join
Speaker 2: us coming up here in a moment and get his
Speaker 2: thoughts on this conversation. Eight seven seven three DP Show
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Speaker 2: Warriors at the Knicks Coming up tonight. Kyrie Irving got
Speaker 2: injured last night, the same day the MAVs decided to
Speaker 2: raise ticket prices. The thunder dropped, the Rockets shake Gilgis,
Speaker 2: Alexander goes for fifty again, fourth time this year. You
Speaker 2: can't spell tag without tea. The Bengals have tagged T
Speaker 2: Higgins and I don't think he's too happy about that.
Speaker 2: He hired I believe Jamar Chase's agent, So how about that?
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't. You're not gonna get a bargain because
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is probably feels like he's going to want
Speaker 2: a number in the starts with a four with his contract.
Speaker 2: And it goes back to these owners when if you
Speaker 2: make the move earlier, you say yourself from making a
Speaker 2: bigger mistake later. Look at the Cowboys could have signed
Speaker 2: up Dak earlier. Now you got Michael Parsons and his
Speaker 2: number is going to probably start with a four. They
Speaker 2: already had to overspend with CD Lamb because they waited.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that there's you know, salary cap issues
Speaker 2: or timing issues, all of that, but it feels like
Speaker 2: owners weight. If Michael Parsons is a sure thing, then
Speaker 2: can you pay him something commensurate to what Miles Garrett
Speaker 2: gets or you know TJ. Watt. Now he's gonna want
Speaker 2: more than those guys, Ced Lamb, could you have gotten
Speaker 2: him for a little less? I believe so. Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2: I think Dak Prescott's cap hit or number is like
Speaker 2: ninety million dollars this upcoming season, like something like crazy,
Speaker 2: and he's the highest paid quarterback. Feels like you could
Speaker 2: have gotten that done earlier. If you're going to sign him,
Speaker 2: then sign him earlier. It's not like you go, you
Speaker 2: know what, let me wait one more now. I agree
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, I would have waited one more year, Like
Speaker 2: there's quarterbacks that I go, I'd like to see one
Speaker 2: more year with you. Yeah, Paulin, you exaggerated a little bit.
Speaker 3: Dan Prescott's cap hit is eighty nine million, nine hundred thousand,
Speaker 3: damn very very cool.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure that you know Jerry Jones, brilliant businessman
Speaker 2: that he can he can rectify this. I mean, Michael Parsons,
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna want a four. Jamar Chase is
Speaker 2: gonna want to four. But I mean that second contract,
Speaker 2: if you've decided or you go, you know what, that
Speaker 2: guy's probably the best receiver in the game, then why
Speaker 2: don't you sign him up? But you almost get to
Speaker 2: feeling these owners like, damn, that guy turned out to
Speaker 2: be really good, and now I gotta pay him. Michael
Speaker 2: Parsons is really good. Now I gotta pay him. Jamar Chase,
Speaker 2: he turned out to be really good. But these guys,
Speaker 2: these non quarterbacks, man o, man o, man, they are
Speaker 2: creeping up, creeping up on the quarterbacks there, all right,
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Speaker 2: Question for hour two is going to be one.
Speaker 4: Let me update you here on our one first Dan,
Speaker 4: which percentage of pre draft news do you believe your
Speaker 4: options are one hundred percent, seventy five.
Speaker 2: Point fifty or twenty five?
Speaker 4: All right, right up, people, fifty three percent of the
Speaker 4: audience believe twenty five percent of the news.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, you do try to separate fact from fiction,
Speaker 2: but you know that's difficult sometimes, even when you're a
Speaker 2: great reporter like Peter King. Peter King formerly with NBC
Speaker 2: Sports and the Monday Morning Quarterback and well retirement and
Speaker 2: now look at him. A contributor to the Dan Patrick
Speaker 2: show here, not sk but great seeing you Pete. What
Speaker 2: riled you up?
Speaker 5: Dan?
Speaker 6: I was just walking the dog. I was just walking
Speaker 6: Chuck here in Brooklyn, and I was listening to your
Speaker 6: show with all of the falderol around Shaduur Sanders and
Speaker 6: I don't know, I just I just wanted to address
Speaker 6: a few things. And I'm you know, I said to Todd, said,
Speaker 6: happy to talk to Dan off the air. But I mean,
Speaker 6: there's just a few things, like, for instance, wearing the
Speaker 6: hat backwards. The coach of the Year in the NFL
Speaker 6: this year was Dan Quinn. He wears his hat backwards.
Speaker 6: I think it looks a little bit twenty one ish,
Speaker 6: but that's the way Dan Quinn likes to wear his hat.
Speaker 6: Who cares. That's one Number two. Dion Sanders. I remember
Speaker 6: this specifically in nineteen eighty nine when he was in
Speaker 6: the draft and he came out like Gangbusters time time cover.
Speaker 2: Of SI.
Speaker 6: You know, being very very counter NFL culture. And over
Speaker 6: the years one of the things that I grew to
Speaker 6: respect incredibly about Dion Sanders is that he knew that
Speaker 6: a cornerback in the NFL was not going to make
Speaker 6: Troy Aikman Barry Sanders money unless he wasn't just your average,
Speaker 6: everyday great player in the draft, and so he made
Speaker 6: himself into something that he knew would make him more money.
Speaker 6: And he was smart. And look, I have no idea.
Speaker 6: I didn't go to the Combine. I don't cover the
Speaker 6: NFL right now, so I don't know anything. Okay, I
Speaker 6: just know this that the Shadeur Sanders who met teams
Speaker 6: at the Combine, he probably probably can basically play the
Speaker 6: game the way he and his dad think is best
Speaker 6: for him. Like, let's just say that Dion and Shadour
Speaker 6: believe that I don't go to Cleveland. Man, it is
Speaker 6: a graveyard. And so when you go into Cleveland, when
Speaker 6: you go into your meeting with Cleveland, you don't have
Speaker 6: to say, oh, man, I'd love to go to Cleveland.
Speaker 6: Here's what I'll do. I'm going to help you change
Speaker 6: your culture.
Speaker 2: All that.
Speaker 6: Suppose he's just a little bit passive and or you
Speaker 6: seem like he does he seems like he doesn't care.
Speaker 6: And again, look, I come from the stance that I
Speaker 6: know nothing other than what I've read a little bit
Speaker 6: on social media, and I don't so I don't have
Speaker 6: any firsthand knowledge of this, and Dan, I think the
Speaker 6: one last thing I would say is that, you know,
Speaker 6: you talk about guys who are arrogant maybe and you
Speaker 6: talk about you know, like a Marino or Brady. You know,
Speaker 6: you can be any way you want when you win,
Speaker 6: any way you want. And there's something about the fire
Speaker 6: from Dan Marino. You know the day I covered in
Speaker 6: ninety one or ninety two, maybe ninety five, I forget
Speaker 6: when it was Dan Marino broke Fran Tarkenton's all time
Speaker 6: record for passing yards in his career and they lost
Speaker 6: the game. Harvey Green, the PR guy, goes up to
Speaker 6: Dan Marino after the game and says, here, hands them
Speaker 6: a stat sheet from the game, figuring that he said,
Speaker 6: you know, I figure you might want to have this,
Speaker 6: keep saying and Marino looks at it.
Speaker 7: He goes.
Speaker 6: And he wasn't being a jerk to Harvey Green. He
Speaker 6: just said, we just lost the fen football game. I
Speaker 6: don't give two blanks about stats and about records, you know,
Speaker 6: and so those things are okay.
Speaker 2: But all I'm saying is that, and is.
Speaker 6: That the narrative?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 6: I think the player has a chance to control before
Speaker 6: the draft, and has anybody thought that maybe Shador Sanders
Speaker 6: is just trying to control his own narrative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mentioned that maybe he doesn't want to go
Speaker 2: to Cleveland if that's the team. We don't know the team,
Speaker 2: and maybe he's like, hey, I can be arrogant because
Speaker 2: I don't want you to draft me. You know, there's agendas.
Speaker 2: We understand that, and you know, as reporters, I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're fed information sometimes by somebody who has an agenda,
Speaker 2: and whether you see through it or not, but you
Speaker 2: know who benefits from Shadoor Sanders falling out of the
Speaker 2: first round. A couple other quarterbacks could benefit from that,
Speaker 2: or a team may want to get him at a
Speaker 2: cheaper price. You know how this works, Pete, he did
Speaker 2: it for over forty years. Where people have agendas and
Speaker 2: maybe that's what it is. But you know, to be
Speaker 2: called arrogant, is that that's that's We're okay with cocky, confident, brash, arrogant,
Speaker 2: arrogant probably you know sounds some alarms for people, teams
Speaker 2: And you know what.
Speaker 6: I remember before the twenty I guess it was twenty
Speaker 6: ten draft. That was the Cam Newton draft writer, or
Speaker 6: was at twenty eleven whatever it was. But I remember
Speaker 6: I interviewed Newton who was on a little bit of
Speaker 6: a press tour, and at one point during the interview
Speaker 6: he said to me, I want to be not just
Speaker 6: a great quarterback, but you know, I want to be
Speaker 6: an entertainer. And he used some other oh yeah words
Speaker 6: that you say. Well, you know, boy, imagine a guy
Speaker 6: who wants to be drafted very high in the draft
Speaker 6: saying he the other word was icon. I just remembered it.
Speaker 6: I want to be an icon and an entertainer. Well,
Speaker 6: you know, and again I'm not I'm not saying that
Speaker 6: that should be the death nel and certainly was it.
Speaker 6: He was the first overall pick in the draft. But
Speaker 6: I put out on Twitter and I wrote, some teams
Speaker 6: are not going to like a quarterback saying I want
Speaker 6: to be an icon and an entertainer. They're just not.
Speaker 6: So some of the stuff that, you know, you have
Speaker 6: to ask yourself if you were in an interview, a
Speaker 6: fifteen minute interview with Dion Sanders and he is either
Speaker 6: passive or looking at his watch, or it seems like
Speaker 6: he doesn't care, a lot of people would say, don't
Speaker 6: pay any attention, And I just look at his body
Speaker 6: of work.
Speaker 2: Well, hang on a minute, are you.
Speaker 6: The one who's going to stake the future of your
Speaker 6: franchise on a guy you're just really not too sure about?
Speaker 6: And I'm not suggesting that people should or they shouldn't.
Speaker 6: I'm just simply saying you'd you'd be naive to think
Speaker 6: that that doesn't go into the pot of what you
Speaker 6: considered doing with that pick, and that it shouldn't go
Speaker 6: into it, because I think all things should go in
Speaker 6: into the mixing bowl when you consider what you do.
Speaker 2: Anytime you get riled up, Pete, you can always call in. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll give you an outlet, all right, Dan, that sounds
Speaker 2: like fun than Thank you, Peter. That's the Hall of
Speaker 2: Famer Peter King joining us. Glad we could entertain Pete
Speaker 2: when he's on his walk here now in semi retirement.
Speaker 2: Let's see Kevin in Austin. Hi, Kevin, what's on your
Speaker 2: mind today?
Speaker 7: BP?
Speaker 8: Kevin.
Speaker 9: I'll get to the point a little quicker.
Speaker 7: Than at WARDO here. Peter basically stole my thunder. I
Speaker 7: just all a conjecture with shador stuff and all that
Speaker 7: stuff just wants the tape. Like Sean McVay said to you, yesterday.
Speaker 7: But the real question I want to pose to the group,
Speaker 7: and especially to the Minister of Humor, is could you
Speaker 7: imagine if there was a combine for sportsbookers and Todd
Speaker 7: had fit teen minutes to explain.
Speaker 9: Himself, he would come off, that's out arrogant, and I'm
Speaker 9: a little talkie.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Kevin. I know about arrogant, certainly long
Speaker 2: winded in not getting to the point that's true arrogant. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think you're although sometimes if we
Speaker 2: push your buttons a little bit, then you know you're
Speaker 2: very cocky.
Speaker 8: I'll stop reciting my resume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've worked with places I've been.
Speaker 8: I might do that a little bit.
Speaker 2: Hawk in Phoenix, H Hawk, what's on your mind? And
Speaker 2: Hawk can't. I can't hear you. David in Oklahoma? Hi, David,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8: Hey David, what's up?
Speaker 10: Dad.
Speaker 11: I'm from the Oklahoma State University, and I would like
Speaker 11: to say it's nice to hear Paul Harvey's voice on
Speaker 11: the radio this morning in a while, because I heard
Speaker 11: that guy. But as partner standards and a life ball
Speaker 11: Raider fan and to I'll take him. I mean the
Speaker 11: drama we bring anyways with like Henry Rose and Screwden
Speaker 11: and everything else. We have a lot as well, like
Speaker 11: what else we haven't won in twenty five years? Might
Speaker 11: as well start from scratch and bring all that sweag,
Speaker 11: all that beeping is try time? Why not man make
Speaker 11: it exciting and vegas Like, wait, guys, not to dude.
Speaker 11: There's no one on the free agent market that we
Speaker 11: can use it the fridge quarterback and we've done that
Speaker 11: for ten years, sixteen years now, I mean, go ahead
Speaker 11: and go it all out there and move them.
Speaker 2: Well, you might get that opportunity to get shoot or
Speaker 2: because after that, you know, Vikings aren't going to franchise
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold. He's going to be out there. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: needs a home. Atlanta says they're keeping Kirk Cousins, which
Speaker 2: I get that. Kirk will be a wonderful mentor of
Speaker 2: all the quarterbacks. Now he's getting guaranteed money too. That helps.
Speaker 2: He's going to be a really, really, really expensive mentor.
Speaker 2: But you know, is Daniel Jones going to be available?
Speaker 2: It starts to get a you know, Jimmy Garoppolo starts
Speaker 2: to get a little dry when it comes to the
Speaker 2: quarterback market there. That's why cam Ward and Shadoor Sanders
Speaker 2: and Jackson Dart Jalen Millroe are probably more highly regarded
Speaker 2: than they should be. But the market bears that out
Speaker 2: there are no quarterbacks and you got teams that need quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I don't know if cam Ward's a franchise quarterback, but
Speaker 2: it certainly feels like he's going to be treated as such,
Speaker 2: and maybe he goes number one overall. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Shudoor Sanders is a franchise quarterback. I can only
Speaker 2: go by and the person that I speak to, who's
Speaker 2: an NFL scout, he said he would probably have a
Speaker 2: better opinion next week, do his due diligence, because I
Speaker 2: did reach out to him this morning. I'm like, where's
Speaker 2: this coming from? And then he viewed it as this
Speaker 2: is just sort of the this week, it's this guy.
Speaker 2: Next week, it's going to be that guy. Next week,
Speaker 2: it's going to be that guy. And it could be Shador,
Speaker 2: then it could be cam then it could be Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: Oh do you want a guy who's going to play,
Speaker 2: you know, demands to play both ways or you have
Speaker 2: to pay him to salary. You know, these are the
Speaker 2: things that are going to come up. Cam Ward, why
Speaker 2: did he go to three different schools? I mean, whatever
Speaker 2: it is, there's going to be a narrative here where
Speaker 2: they try to break you down a little bit, and
Speaker 2: it happens every year, and it happens you see to quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: We'll take a break. Coming up, we'll talk to Matt
Speaker 2: Miller from the mother Ship. He sent a note to
Speaker 2: Fritzie saying that that he has not heard anyone talk
Speaker 2: with conviction about Shador Sanders even being a first rounder.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk to Matt how he came to that
Speaker 2: conclusion after.
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Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up eight seven to seven three
Speaker 2: DP show e me. We had some comments that Trevor Sikima,
Speaker 2: he is the lead draft analyst at Pro Football Focus,
Speaker 2: and he sent Fritzy some talking points saying that he
Speaker 2: has not heard anyone talk with conviction about Shudor Sanders
Speaker 2: being a QB one in the top ten or even
Speaker 2: as a first rounder. We attributed that to Matt Miller, ESPN,
Speaker 2: NFL Draft analyst. So, Matt, I don't know, why don't
Speaker 2: you tell us how you feel about Shudor Sanders. Do
Speaker 2: you think he'll be a first round quarterback?
Speaker 8: You can attribute that to me. I've heard all the
Speaker 8: same things. I think all of us have, especially come
Speaker 8: out of the combine, Dan, where you all kind of
Speaker 8: everybody goes to the same three restaurants in Indianapolis and
Speaker 8: talks late at night. We're all kind of hearing the
Speaker 8: same stuff. But I would agree with that. I think
Speaker 8: it's hard to find a team right now. This says, yeah,
Speaker 8: that's our guy. Crazy. And I just put an article
Speaker 8: out last week before the Combine, or during the combine actually,
Speaker 8: and it was ranking the quarterbacks from the past five years.
Speaker 8: Shudor Sanders was second to last. Kenny Pickett was the
Speaker 8: only quarterback with a lower grade than him coming into
Speaker 8: the NFL. So that is in line with what I've
Speaker 8: seen watching the tape over the last years. Is what
Speaker 8: I here talking to as many scouts and coaches and
Speaker 8: general managers as I do this time of year, a
Speaker 8: lot of people want to like Shadoor Sanders. I don't
Speaker 8: get the feeling that teams love him not the way
Speaker 8: that they do cam Ward. There's a sizeable gap right
Speaker 8: now to where like it's I think you could easily
Speaker 8: say this year there is a consensus number one quarterback,
Speaker 8: which is rare that doesn't often happen. Even last year
Speaker 8: with all the Caleb Williams love. There are teams that
Speaker 8: like Jadon Daniels. There are teams that like Drake May.
Speaker 8: We have a true consensus number one quarterback this year
Speaker 8: and it's cam Ward from Miami.
Speaker 2: Okay, is this just football that we're talking about with
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders. Now cam Ward, we can get to him
Speaker 2: in a moment, But is there a smear cam pain
Speaker 2: with Shador Sanders or are people just being honest with
Speaker 2: the talent or you know, performance that they saw.
Speaker 8: So I think it's both. I do think that it's
Speaker 8: about football. He is six foot one. He put on
Speaker 8: some weight for the combine. He got up to two
Speaker 8: hundred and twelve pounds. He played closer to two hundred pounds.
Speaker 8: He doesn't have the biggest arm. He's not the greatest
Speaker 8: athlete I know. For folks who didn't watch Colorado play,
Speaker 8: he might be Deon Sanders' son, But he got his
Speaker 8: mom's feet right. He's not a four or three athlete,
Speaker 8: but he is incredibly tough, and he's incredibly accurate, and
Speaker 8: he's willing to stand in the pocket and make some place.
Speaker 8: I do think on the other side of that is
Speaker 8: there are going to be people that are gonna see
Speaker 8: players differently. I've talked to young scouts who loved their
Speaker 8: interviews with Shudor Sanders. I've talked to older scouts and
Speaker 8: general managers who were put off by him. And I
Speaker 8: think that's going to be the case for a lot
Speaker 8: of the new era of athlete coming into the NFL,
Speaker 8: where guys are making millions of dollars in college football now,
Speaker 8: it has prepared them for life a little differently, and
Speaker 8: so I think you are going to get a disconnect.
Speaker 8: I tend to not put a ton of stock into
Speaker 8: those quotes from scouts and gms of oh, we didn't
Speaker 8: like this interview. It's different if everyone tells you the
Speaker 8: same thing. I remember asking about Will Levis, and everyone
Speaker 8: I talked to said the same thing, was like, this
Speaker 8: guy is just like pent up, like he's trying to
Speaker 8: be a perfectionist. He's not smooth, he's not fluid. The
Speaker 8: conversations feel like he's gonna have a heart attack. Well,
Speaker 8: guess what, he plays the same way on the football field.
Speaker 8: So that's when I think it matters, is when those
Speaker 8: interviews match with a play style. She dore is a
Speaker 8: hell of a player. There's just there's not that love
Speaker 8: for him out there right now in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Is cam Ward being elevated because there is no competition
Speaker 2: so he might?
Speaker 8: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 8: If we were talking about last year's drafts, cam Ward
Speaker 8: would have been the sixth or seventh guy drafted, probably
Speaker 8: at quarterback, not overall, at quarterback, and that might still
Speaker 8: make you a top ten pick, right because those guys
Speaker 8: flew up the board last year. But I do think
Speaker 8: he's being elevated. It is interesting both quarterbacks Sanders and Ward,
Speaker 8: they have some bad habits that are gonna need coach
Speaker 8: out of them. Pam Ward's kind of get dismissed because
Speaker 8: he has a strong arm. It's like, well, you know,
Speaker 8: he stands in the pocket way too long. He takes
Speaker 8: a lot of sacks he doesn't need to. He very
Speaker 8: often waits for the open man. But he's got a
Speaker 8: strong arm, so you kind of like you make those
Speaker 8: excuses for it, Whereas I think both guys are going
Speaker 8: to need coach pretty hard when they get to the
Speaker 8: NFL just to learn to play on time. Both guys
Speaker 8: have a little bit of that Caleb Williams mentality where
Speaker 8: they think they can stand back there and drift and
Speaker 8: drift and drift to wait for somebody to pop open
Speaker 8: and then they'll throw it. What we saw last year
Speaker 8: for Caleb, who I still love, like, that doesn't work
Speaker 8: in the NFL, and guys who can play on time
Speaker 8: are going to have a lot more success early. Both
Speaker 8: these quarterbacks have to figure that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in college, you can wait, wait, wait, wait, and
Speaker 2: then throw. In the NFL, you can wait wait and
Speaker 2: then you better throw. So I mean, it's it's just
Speaker 2: so much quicker. You have to throw guys open. And Caleb,
Speaker 2: you know, was doing all this at USC And I
Speaker 2: remember talking to a friend of mine who's the scout,
Speaker 2: and he goes, that won't last long in the NFL.
Speaker 2: He won't last long in the NFL if you think
Speaker 2: you can escape and you know, improvise, And this scout
Speaker 2: said that he always goes back to Peyton Manning and
Speaker 2: Tom Brady when the when the play was over, it
Speaker 2: was over. They went down in a fetal position. You know,
Speaker 2: live to play another day. But these college quarterbacks are
Speaker 2: so you know, Johnny Manziel, he was always going to
Speaker 2: get out of something. You know, it helped having a
Speaker 2: great receiver there. But I think that you know, is
Speaker 2: Tennessee going to take Cam Warden.
Speaker 8: I don't think so. I didn't get that sense. Okay,
Speaker 8: And I think it's very telling that they are having
Speaker 8: these guys in for private workouts this week. This is
Speaker 8: the earliest I've ever heard of a team bringing players
Speaker 8: in after the combine. And I think they're doing that
Speaker 8: because they want they want to date with these guys
Speaker 8: so they can trade this pick, but they want to
Speaker 8: they want to have that meeting first so they can say,
Speaker 8: just in case, just in case we missed something, was
Speaker 8: bring in Cam. They're bringing in Shouldher Sanders. They're going
Speaker 8: to have an Abdill Carter. And I think you make
Speaker 8: that decision probably very soon after this week of Okay,
Speaker 8: Cleveland Brown's New York Giants, whoever it is, We're now
Speaker 8: open for business, and not only for business. We're far
Speaker 8: enough along in the process that we can make kind
Speaker 8: of an educated decision. But I don't get the sense
Speaker 8: right now that the Titans feel like cam Ward is
Speaker 8: going to turn this football team around.
Speaker 2: He's Matt Miller, ESPN, NFL Draft analyst. I always look
Speaker 2: at teams where coaching staffs that they split this season
Speaker 2: like it's the first eight or nine games, because they
Speaker 2: may not survive after eight or nine games. The Giant situation,
Speaker 2: they have to win in those first eight or nine games,
Speaker 2: and that's the tricky part. Aaron Rodgers gives you a
Speaker 2: better chance than cam Ward will or should or Sanders.
Speaker 2: There's probably a few other coaching staffs that have if
Speaker 2: you're in your second or third year as a head coach,
Speaker 2: you know, not your first year like Aaron Glenn. But
Speaker 2: that's where I don't know. So do the Giants play
Speaker 2: it safe from the coaching perspective, trying to keep your job,
Speaker 2: and you take Aaron Rodgers instead of cam Ward?
Speaker 7: I think so.
Speaker 8: I think that's why I think we're so all in
Speaker 8: on Matthew Stafford, and it was no surprise. I expect
Speaker 8: they'll be in on Sam Darnold to some degree as
Speaker 8: long as he's not franchise tag today, which sounds like
Speaker 8: you won't be And I don't know if Sam wants
Speaker 8: to go back to New York. Right, there's that whole
Speaker 8: other element of it. But I think what you know,
Speaker 8: in most years, you would say, you know what, draft
Speaker 8: the young quarterback and if he shows promise, you keep
Speaker 8: your job because then you have the hope of, well,
Speaker 8: we got to develop this quarterback. I don't know that
Speaker 8: the quarterbacks this year are to that level that if
Speaker 8: you're Brian Dable or even Kevin Stefanski necessarily where you
Speaker 8: say I'm gonna put my job on this guy. Who
Speaker 8: did you feel at any point during the college all
Speaker 8: season that cam Ward orshe Door Sanders were the best
Speaker 8: quarterback in college I know they led college and touchdowns,
Speaker 8: but I never watched on a Saturday and thought, God,
Speaker 8: this guy is the best quarterback in college football, like
Speaker 8: I did Jayden Daniels or like I did Joe Burrow.
Speaker 8: You know, you don't get that level of conviction with
Speaker 8: these guys. So I do feel like that's where we're
Speaker 8: getting teams that are saying Cleveland's different, they have to
Speaker 8: draft a quarterback because of Deshaun Watson. But with the Titans,
Speaker 8: the Giants it's yeah, maybe we just bring in some
Speaker 8: competition here. Maybe we tried to bridge quarterback situation for
Speaker 8: another season, and then if we keep our jobs, then
Speaker 8: we'll worry about what twenty twenty six might look like.
Speaker 2: The big reason why we wanted to have you on
Speaker 2: is obviously hand size. Jalen Milrose hand sized. His hands
Speaker 2: got bigger since the Senior Bowl. How does that happen?
Speaker 8: Almost an inch bigger, not like an incremental He grew
Speaker 8: out his fingernails an inch bigger. I don't I've talked
Speaker 8: to hand surgeons this week. How quickly could you do
Speaker 8: a finger extension? I don't know. You know what's going on.
Speaker 8: The honest answer is I think what happened at the
Speaker 8: Senior Bowl is they measured his left hand, for example,
Speaker 8: and at the combine they measured his right hand. That
Speaker 8: will happen. That's the only thing I can come up with.
Speaker 8: You see measurement disparities, and there's some gamesman shit to this.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 8: Was it Brandon Allen come out of Arkansas like ten
Speaker 8: years ago that was doing the hand stretches to get
Speaker 8: his hands bigger and it actually worked. So I want
Speaker 8: to talk to cam Ward I want to find this out.
Speaker 8: I have a message into his dad, Calvin, to find
Speaker 8: out the answer to this, because I excuse me to
Speaker 8: Jalen Milroe, I haven't a message into his agent to
Speaker 8: find this out. I got to find out because it's
Speaker 8: I've never I've never heard of an inch. That's that's
Speaker 8: a lot, that's that's a big time hand growth.
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering about NFL teams who fell in love
Speaker 2: with the running game, if other teams will follow suit
Speaker 2: in the draft, will we see an uptick in that
Speaker 2: you won't be afraid to draft a running back or
Speaker 2: two in the first round.
Speaker 8: I think you will be afraid, and you also will
Speaker 8: get the public backlash, except for from mel Kiper, who
Speaker 8: says you should never draft a running back in the
Speaker 8: first round. Otherwise you know you're not going to get
Speaker 8: your beat reporters in there saying, oh my god, I
Speaker 8: can't believe we took Ashton Genty in the top ten,
Speaker 8: or we took Omarion Hampton in the top thirty. I
Speaker 8: think you can point to Bjeon Robinson and Jamier Gibbs
Speaker 8: even as examples of drafting a guy in the first round.
Speaker 8: They can come in and be the backbone of your offense.
Speaker 8: I think more importantly if you have your quarterback, if
Speaker 8: you're a team that has that figured out, that's the
Speaker 8: time to draft a running back now, because you have
Speaker 8: that position solved and you can go back to being
Speaker 8: a balanced team. But this is one of the best
Speaker 8: running back classes of not the best running back class
Speaker 8: I've ever seen. I've been doing this for fifteen years,
Speaker 8: so I think we've got a shot to have a
Speaker 8: record for the modern era, which would be thirty running
Speaker 8: backs drafted. The last time that happened was twenty seventeen,
Speaker 8: which was Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, players like that. So
Speaker 8: I don't know that we see three fly off the
Speaker 8: board in the top fifteen necessarily, but feel pretty confidently
Speaker 8: we could see three in the top thirty picks.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Travis Hunter or his agent has
Speaker 2: said anything, but is there going to be any blowback
Speaker 2: if he doesn't want to go to a team because
Speaker 2: of how he thinks they would use him or not
Speaker 2: use him.
Speaker 8: I haven't heard anything about that. That would be fascinating.
Speaker 8: I think the sense that I've got is that Travis
Speaker 8: just loves football, so much, which he does want to
Speaker 8: go Smarre where he can play both ways, and it
Speaker 8: truly is like his belief that he will make that
Speaker 8: team better by doing both. But I think that is
Speaker 8: an important part of the next forty five days is
Speaker 8: him having those conversations with teams. And I said before
Speaker 8: the combine, my number one question of him to him,
Speaker 8: if I was a general manager, would be what if
Speaker 8: we said you can only play one way? Which side
Speaker 8: is that? What do you prefer? I personally think that
Speaker 8: he would be better as a wide receiver. I have
Speaker 8: friends in the league who think you would be better
Speaker 8: at corner. So there is kind of this polarization about
Speaker 8: which side would he be better at. But I think
Speaker 8: ultimately it comes down to which side. Do you have
Speaker 8: a love for one side more than the other or
Speaker 8: do you care that wide receivers make double with corners?
Speaker 7: Dude?
Speaker 8: Has that factored into your decision making process or the
Speaker 8: longevity you know he's he's one hundred and eighty eight
Speaker 8: pounds six foot one hundred and eighty eight pounds. I
Speaker 8: don't personally want him tackling AJ Brown fifteen times a game.
Speaker 8: I would rather him be trying to evade those guys
Speaker 8: than go out and initiate contacts. So there is a
Speaker 8: lot to that.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 8: He says he can play both ways. I think he
Speaker 8: can try. My statement has been it is very hard
Speaker 8: to be great at one position in the NFL, just mentally.
Speaker 8: It's so hard. So now we're going to divide that
Speaker 8: time to a rookie and say, hey, not only welcome
Speaker 8: to the NFL, but but now you got to learn
Speaker 8: two very very hard positions to transition to the NFL,
Speaker 8: where we don't see guys as rookies oftentimes have great
Speaker 8: years as corners, sometimes at receiver. But we're asking him
Speaker 8: to learn two very hard positions at the same time.
Speaker 8: I don't know how feasible that is.
Speaker 2: He said that it's tougher to do what he's trying
Speaker 2: to do than what Sho heeo Tani does by hitting
Speaker 2: and pitching your thoughts, I.
Speaker 8: Think hitting a baseball is the hardest thing in sports.
Speaker 8: So I'm going to respectfully disagree as someone who could
Speaker 8: do neither right. It's easy to sit here in my
Speaker 8: quarter zip and say one's easier than the other. But
Speaker 8: I think hitting a baseball when it's one hundred miles
Speaker 8: an hour is the hardest thing is sports, and then
Speaker 8: to turn around to be a dominant pitcher. Now to
Speaker 8: Travis's point, he said, show Hey only pitches once every
Speaker 8: five games. That's five days. By the way, Travis only
Speaker 8: have to play football once every seven days. So if
Speaker 8: we're being honest about the statements, they're both getting some
Speaker 8: breaks in there. But I think we'll show Hey does
Speaker 8: he's unprecedented.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Is there anybody that we
Speaker 2: should keep an eye on that you would consider given
Speaker 2: what happened at the combine that really affected their draft status.
Speaker 8: I think Nick even worry the safety from South Carolina
Speaker 8: went from being a late first rounder to maybe a
Speaker 8: top fifteen pick to be six three two twenty toront
Speaker 8: of four to three. He looks like Derwin James out there.
Speaker 8: He has ball skills. He had four picks five pass
Speaker 8: breakups this year. He's a great tackler as well. So
Speaker 8: I still think as we try to figure out how
Speaker 8: to handle mobile quarterbacks, defenders like him are the answers.
Speaker 8: So he's I think he's the biggest riser coming out
Speaker 8: of it all.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you again.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Matt. Thanks An that's Matt Miller, ESPN NFL
Speaker 2: Draft analyst. So the Pro Football Focus lead analyst Trevor
Speaker 2: Sikima did say that he does and even see should
Speaker 2: Or Sanders as a first round pick, and Matt kind
Speaker 2: of back that up. I don't know. Now, once again,
Speaker 2: this is what happens. Everybody has a consensus until the
Speaker 2: people get paid to have a consensus. You know, those
Speaker 2: who are the scouts, those who are the gms, the coaches.
Speaker 2: Now you're starting to hear real, real conversation about this
Speaker 2: instead of how many times have we watched a game
Speaker 2: and you go, godie, that guy he could play in
Speaker 2: the NFL, And then all of a sudden you realize, no,
Speaker 2: maybe he can't play in the NFL, or if he does,
Speaker 2: he'll be a backup in the NFL. College, you know,
Speaker 2: can inflate you. The NFL deflates you. You can be
Speaker 2: in college and you're like just whipping it around and
Speaker 2: they're like, this is easy, and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you realize it's not easy. And that's where these scouts,
Speaker 2: the people who are looking at these prospects, now, this
Speaker 2: is real, not you know, drive by innocent advice to
Speaker 2: and hey, yeah, that guy's gonna be he could, He's
Speaker 2: gonna be number one on my board. Look, I love
Speaker 2: Mel Kuiper, but when you look at somebody's draft board
Speaker 2: during the season, and then you look at it after
Speaker 2: the season, and then you look at it as we
Speaker 2: get ready for the draft, it changes dramatically. Well what happened?
Speaker 2: It's you get people who are paid to do this
Speaker 2: to break down these prospects because their job depends on it.
Speaker 2: Mel's not getting fired for his draft board, but a
Speaker 2: guy who says, let's take Shador Sanders number two overall
Speaker 2: could get fired. We'll take a break. Your phone calls
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Speaker 8: DP?
Speaker 2: Good morning a shrinking six.
Speaker 13: First time, first time, last time caller. Just appreciate you
Speaker 13: and all of you guys for all these years of
Speaker 13: entertainment I've been listening to you since one with Rob Dibble,
Speaker 13: and I felt compelled I had to give you a
Speaker 13: call today. Today mark's the thirty fifth anniversary of Haink
Speaker 13: Gathers in Gersten Pavilion. I was a student there, a
Speaker 13: student of only thirty five hundred undergrad We had our
Speaker 13: second round game in the tournament. We're hosting Portland State.
Speaker 13: We just beat some terrible team called Gonzaga from Washington
Speaker 13: by thirty the night before, and we were all geared
Speaker 13: up for this game and sitting in the stands at
Speaker 13: five o'clock on a Sunday afternoon, we watched his hink
Speaker 13: slammed in alley up from Terrerel Lowry and then he
Speaker 13: ran back and a sudd hit as he fell to
Speaker 13: the floor.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did Sports Center that night, and I remember we
Speaker 2: had Chris Myers as a reporter in Los Angeles and
Speaker 2: he did a great on the job. In the moment
Speaker 2: reporting that night, I was anchoring with Chris Berman. Chris
Speaker 2: Berman was a guest hosting on Sports that night, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, we had a photographer, their cameraman, and he
Speaker 2: he focused on Hank gather after, you know, he had
Speaker 2: the basket and then he started to backpedal and the
Speaker 2: cameraman stayed on Hank Gathers and you saw him. You
Speaker 2: saw him hit the floor, and uh, you know, changed
Speaker 2: college athletics, certainly changed college basketball because you had to.
Speaker 2: Everybody has a defibrillator now to shock somebody back to life.
Speaker 2: And I don't believe they had one in the arena
Speaker 2: that night, but uh, yeah, Hank Athers and such a
Speaker 2: fun team, Loyal to Merrymount, fun team. They were playing
Speaker 2: NBA style basketball back in nineteen ninety. Paul west Ed
Speaker 2: was playing NBA the style you have now, and that
Speaker 2: is we'll give you two, We're going to take a three.
Speaker 2: We're going to run you. We're going to run you,
Speaker 2: and we're going to go constant bo kimball. They were
Speaker 2: a fun team.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Put if you go on YouTube, you could see a
Speaker 3: lot of highlights of Hank Gathers for people who don't
Speaker 3: know him.
Speaker 2: In eighty eight eighty nine, his junior.
Speaker 3: Year at Loyal to Marrymount, he averaged thirty three points
Speaker 3: a game and fourteen rebounds without shooting threes in any way.
Speaker 2: And he ended up from you know, they were from Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: Him and Bow they ended up at loyal to Merrymount. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he started at USC and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: loyal to Merrymount and really haven't had much from loyal
Speaker 2: to Merrymount, I don't think since then. But that was
Speaker 2: a up and down run. We're going. They were in
Speaker 2: better shape than everybody, yeah, Marph.
Speaker 12: Now how good were they nationally? Where they looked at
Speaker 12: as a threat to go to the final four during
Speaker 12: that season?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know what they were ranked,
Speaker 2: but Hank was I think considered the best player in
Speaker 2: the country. Bow was a great player too, And then
Speaker 2: they had role players and was it Jeff Fryer, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the shooter, Yeah, yeah, they had. That was fun team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: fun team. Chris and Brooklyn. Hi, Chris, what's on your
Speaker 2: mind today?
Speaker 7: It's not budd Hey.
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Speaker 9: You know, I participate in various things.
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Speaker 9: If you're ready, The average height is five to eleven,
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris. Maybe I don't want to know what
Speaker 2: he does the rest of the day. Uh, Andrew and Washington,
Speaker 2: Hi Andrew, welcome back.
Speaker 10: Hey, good morning DP and Danna, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 10: I got an NFL draft kind of take and then
Speaker 10: I have a real quick stat of the day. But
Speaker 10: I don't think we should fall for the you know,
Speaker 10: the cam Ward scam or the Shador Sanders shade or
Speaker 10: anything like that. For some reason, with not that great
Speaker 10: a quarterbacks in this draft, I wonder what draft kings
Speaker 10: over under for quarterbacks taking in the first round will
Speaker 10: be one point five two point five over under. I
Speaker 10: have a feeling I don't know why the leader in
Speaker 10: passing yards in the NCAA, Kyle McCord, might come out
Speaker 10: to be the best quarterback in the pros. He did
Speaker 10: throw the ball to Jackson Smith and Jigba and Marvin
Speaker 10: Harrison junior at Ohio State before going to Syracuse. So
Speaker 10: I just I don't know why no analysis there, just
Speaker 10: my thought. My stat of the day is Sai Gilgis
Speaker 10: Alexander has joined Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, and James Harden
Speaker 10: as the only players in the last twenty five years
Speaker 10: in the NBA to score thirty plus points in thirty
Speaker 10: or thirty five or more games in three straight seasons.
Speaker 10: Maybe a deep cut, but stat of the day.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Andrew. Final hour coming up, the lead draft
Speaker 2: analyst at Pro Football Focus apparently doesn't believe shed Or
Speaker 2: Sanders is a first round draft pick. He'll tell us why.
Speaker 2: Coming up. More of your phone calls as well. Two
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