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Speaker 2: On this Tuesday, Dan and the Danist Dan Patrick Show

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Speaker 2: come on in stay a while, spend a lot of time,

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Speaker 2: maybe too much time, talking about one report that came

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Speaker 2: out about Shudor Sanders being arrogant and brash in one

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Speaker 2: of the interviews at the combine. Also, we have a

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Speaker 2: couple of draft analysts, including Matt Miller from the Mothership.

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Speaker 2: He'll join us. He said the following that he hasn't

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Speaker 2: heard anyone talk with conviction about Shudor as quarterback one

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Speaker 2: in the top ten or even as a first rounder.

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Speaker 2: He'll explain coming up in about twenty minutes from now.

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Speaker 2: While we were having this conversation about Shador Sanders and

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Speaker 2: is it kind of a smear campaign or keep in

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Speaker 2: mind it's only one team that said this off the record,

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Speaker 2: so you don't even know which team feels this way.

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Speaker 2: Peter King got a hold of Fritzy. Peter will join

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Speaker 2: us coming up here in a moment and get his

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Speaker 2: thoughts on this conversation. Eight seven seven three DP Show

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Speaker 2: email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show

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Speaker 2: Warriors at the Knicks Coming up tonight. Kyrie Irving got

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Speaker 2: injured last night, the same day the MAVs decided to

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Speaker 2: raise ticket prices. The thunder dropped, the Rockets shake Gilgis,

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Speaker 2: Alexander goes for fifty again, fourth time this year. You

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Speaker 2: can't spell tag without tea. The Bengals have tagged T

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Speaker 2: Higgins and I don't think he's too happy about that.

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Speaker 2: He hired I believe Jamar Chase's agent, So how about that?

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't. You're not gonna get a bargain because

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is probably feels like he's going to want

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Speaker 2: a number in the starts with a four with his contract.

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Speaker 2: And it goes back to these owners when if you

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Speaker 2: make the move earlier, you say yourself from making a

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Speaker 2: bigger mistake later. Look at the Cowboys could have signed

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Speaker 2: up Dak earlier. Now you got Michael Parsons and his

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Speaker 2: number is going to probably start with a four. They

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Speaker 2: already had to overspend with CD Lamb because they waited.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure that there's you know, salary cap issues

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Speaker 2: or timing issues, all of that, but it feels like

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Speaker 2: owners weight. If Michael Parsons is a sure thing, then

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Speaker 2: can you pay him something commensurate to what Miles Garrett

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Speaker 2: gets or you know TJ. Watt. Now he's gonna want

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Speaker 2: more than those guys, Ced Lamb, could you have gotten

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Speaker 2: him for a little less? I believe so. Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 2: I think Dak Prescott's cap hit or number is like

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Speaker 2: ninety million dollars this upcoming season, like something like crazy,

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Speaker 2: and he's the highest paid quarterback. Feels like you could

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Speaker 2: have gotten that done earlier. If you're going to sign him,

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Speaker 2: then sign him earlier. It's not like you go, you

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Speaker 2: know what, let me wait one more now. I agree

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, I would have waited one more year, Like

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Speaker 2: there's quarterbacks that I go, I'd like to see one

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Speaker 2: more year with you. Yeah, Paulin, you exaggerated a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Dan Prescott's cap hit is eighty nine million, nine hundred thousand,

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Speaker 3: damn very very cool.

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Speaker 2: But I'm sure that you know Jerry Jones, brilliant businessman

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Speaker 2: that he can he can rectify this. I mean, Michael Parsons,

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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna want a four. Jamar Chase is

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Speaker 2: gonna want to four. But I mean that second contract,

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Speaker 2: if you've decided or you go, you know what, that

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Speaker 2: guy's probably the best receiver in the game, then why

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Speaker 2: don't you sign him up? But you almost get to

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Speaker 2: feeling these owners like, damn, that guy turned out to

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Speaker 2: be really good, and now I gotta pay him. Michael

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Speaker 2: Parsons is really good. Now I gotta pay him. Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 2: he turned out to be really good. But these guys,

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Speaker 2: these non quarterbacks, man o, man o, man, they are

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Speaker 2: creeping up, creeping up on the quarterbacks there, all right,

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Speaker 2: eight seven seven to three, DP show email address Dpadanpatrick

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Speaker 2: Question for hour two is going to be one.

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Speaker 4: Let me update you here on our one first Dan,

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Speaker 4: which percentage of pre draft news do you believe your

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Speaker 4: options are one hundred percent, seventy five.

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Speaker 2: Point fifty or twenty five?

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Speaker 4: All right, right up, people, fifty three percent of the

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Speaker 4: audience believe twenty five percent of the news.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, you do try to separate fact from fiction,

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Speaker 2: but you know that's difficult sometimes, even when you're a

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Speaker 2: great reporter like Peter King. Peter King formerly with NBC

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Speaker 2: Sports and the Monday Morning Quarterback and well retirement and

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Speaker 2: now look at him. A contributor to the Dan Patrick

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Speaker 2: show here, not sk but great seeing you Pete. What

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Speaker 5: Dan?

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Speaker 6: I was just walking the dog. I was just walking

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Speaker 6: Chuck here in Brooklyn, and I was listening to your

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Speaker 6: I don't know, I just I just wanted to address

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Speaker 6: there's just a few things, like, for instance, wearing the

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Speaker 6: this year was Dan Quinn. He wears his hat backwards.

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Speaker 6: I think it looks a little bit twenty one ish,

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Speaker 6: but that's the way Dan Quinn likes to wear his hat.

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Speaker 6: Who cares. That's one Number two. Dion Sanders. I remember

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Speaker 6: this specifically in nineteen eighty nine when he was in

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Speaker 6: the draft and he came out like Gangbusters time time cover.

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Speaker 6: You know, being very very counter NFL culture. And over

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Speaker 6: Troy Aikman Barry Sanders money unless he wasn't just your average,

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Speaker 6: everyday great player in the draft, and so he made

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Speaker 6: And he was smart. And look, I have no idea.

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Speaker 6: I didn't go to the Combine. I don't cover the

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Speaker 6: just know this that the Shadeur Sanders who met teams

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Speaker 6: Here's what I'll do. I'm going to help you change

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Speaker 2: All that.

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Speaker 6: Suppose he's just a little bit passive and or you

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Speaker 6: And again, look, I come from the stance that I

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Speaker 6: And he wasn't being a jerk to Harvey Green. He

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Speaker 6: and so those things are okay.

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Speaker 6: That the narrative?

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Speaker 6: I think the player has a chance to control before

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mentioned that maybe he doesn't want to go

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Speaker 2: and maybe he's like, hey, I can be arrogant because

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Speaker 2: it for over forty years. Where people have agendas and

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Speaker 2: maybe that's what it is. But you know, to be

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Speaker 2: called arrogant, is that that's that's We're okay with cocky, confident, brash, arrogant,

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Speaker 6: I remember before the twenty I guess it was twenty

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Speaker 6: an entertainer. And he used some other oh yeah words

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Speaker 6: I want to be an icon and an entertainer. Well,

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Speaker 6: So some of the stuff that, you know, you have

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Speaker 2: Well, hang on a minute, are you.

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Speaker 6: The one who's going to stake the future of your

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Speaker 6: And I'm not suggesting that people should or they shouldn't.

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Speaker 6: I'm just simply saying you'd you'd be naive to think

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Speaker 2: Anytime you get riled up, Pete, you can always call in. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you an outlet, all right, Dan, that sounds

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Speaker 2: like fun than Thank you, Peter. That's the Hall of

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Speaker 2: Famer Peter King joining us. Glad we could entertain Pete

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Speaker 2: when he's on his walk here now in semi retirement.

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Speaker 2: Let's see Kevin in Austin. Hi, Kevin, what's on your

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Speaker 2: mind today?

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Speaker 7: BP?

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Speaker 8: Kevin.

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Speaker 9: I'll get to the point a little quicker.

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Speaker 7: Than at WARDO here. Peter basically stole my thunder. I

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Speaker 7: But the real question I want to pose to the group,

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Speaker 7: and especially to the Minister of Humor, is could you

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Speaker 8: I'll stop reciting my resume.

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Speaker 10: Dad.

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Speaker 11: I'm from the Oklahoma State University, and I would like

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Speaker 11: There's no one on the free agent market that we

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Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up eight seven to seven three

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Speaker 2: DP show e me. We had some comments that Trevor Sikima,

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Speaker 2: has not heard anyone talk with conviction about Shudor Sanders

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Speaker 2: you tell us how you feel about Shudor Sanders. Do

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Speaker 8: You can attribute that to me. I've heard all the

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Speaker 8: out last week before the Combine, or during the combine actually,

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Speaker 8: lot of people want to like Shadoor Sanders. I don't

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Speaker 8: get the feeling that teams love him not the way

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Speaker 8: now to where like it's I think you could easily

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Speaker 8: We have a true consensus number one quarterback this year

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Speaker 2: Okay, is this just football that we're talking about with

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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders. Now cam Ward, we can get to him

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Speaker 8: So I think it's both. I do think that it's

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Speaker 8: about football. He is six foot one. He put on

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Speaker 8: He doesn't have the biggest arm. He's not the greatest

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Speaker 8: but he is incredibly tough, and he's incredibly accurate, and

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Speaker 8: So that's when I think it matters, is when those

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Speaker 8: hell of a player. There's just there's not that love

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Speaker 2: Is cam Ward being elevated because there is no competition

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Speaker 8: Absolutely?

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Speaker 8: If we were talking about last year's drafts, cam Ward

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Speaker 8: they have some bad habits that are gonna need coach

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Speaker 8: for Caleb, who I still love, like, that doesn't work

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Speaker 8: in the NFL, and guys who can play on time

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Speaker 8: these quarterbacks have to figure that out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in college, you can wait, wait, wait, wait, and

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Speaker 2: you know, was doing all this at USC And I

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Speaker 2: He won't last long in the NFL if you think

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Speaker 2: great receiver there. But I think that you know, is

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Speaker 2: Tennessee going to take Cam Warden.

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Speaker 8: I don't think so. I didn't get that sense. Okay,

436
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Speaker 8: And I think it's very telling that they are having

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Speaker 8: these guys in for private workouts this week. This is

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Speaker 8: the earliest I've ever heard of a team bringing players

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Speaker 8: in after the combine. And I think they're doing that

440
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Speaker 8: because they want they want to date with these guys

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Speaker 8: so they can trade this pick, but they want to

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Speaker 8: they want to have that meeting first so they can say,

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Speaker 8: just in case, just in case we missed something, was

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Speaker 8: bring in Cam. They're bringing in Shouldher Sanders. They're going

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Speaker 8: to have an Abdill Carter. And I think you make

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Speaker 8: that decision probably very soon after this week of Okay,

447
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Speaker 8: Cleveland Brown's New York Giants, whoever it is, We're now

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Speaker 8: open for business, and not only for business. We're far

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Speaker 8: enough along in the process that we can make kind

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Speaker 8: of an educated decision. But I don't get the sense

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Speaker 8: right now that the Titans feel like cam Ward is

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Speaker 8: going to turn this football team around.

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Speaker 2: He's Matt Miller, ESPN, NFL Draft analyst. I always look

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Speaker 2: at teams where coaching staffs that they split this season

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Speaker 2: like it's the first eight or nine games, because they

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Speaker 2: may not survive after eight or nine games. The Giant situation,

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Speaker 2: they have to win in those first eight or nine games,

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Speaker 2: and that's the tricky part. Aaron Rodgers gives you a

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Speaker 2: better chance than cam Ward will or should or Sanders.

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Speaker 2: There's probably a few other coaching staffs that have if

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Speaker 2: you're in your second or third year as a head coach,

462
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Speaker 2: you know, not your first year like Aaron Glenn. But

463
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Speaker 2: that's where I don't know. So do the Giants play

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Speaker 2: it safe from the coaching perspective, trying to keep your job,

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Speaker 2: and you take Aaron Rodgers instead of cam Ward?

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Speaker 7: I think so.

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Speaker 8: I think that's why I think we're so all in

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Speaker 8: on Matthew Stafford, and it was no surprise. I expect

469
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Speaker 8: they'll be in on Sam Darnold to some degree as

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Speaker 8: long as he's not franchise tag today, which sounds like

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Speaker 8: you won't be And I don't know if Sam wants

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Speaker 8: to go back to New York. Right, there's that whole

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Speaker 8: other element of it. But I think what you know,

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Speaker 8: in most years, you would say, you know what, draft

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Speaker 8: the young quarterback and if he shows promise, you keep

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Speaker 8: your job because then you have the hope of, well,

477
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Speaker 8: we got to develop this quarterback. I don't know that

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Speaker 8: the quarterbacks this year are to that level that if

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Speaker 8: you're Brian Dable or even Kevin Stefanski necessarily where you

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Speaker 8: say I'm gonna put my job on this guy. Who

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Speaker 8: did you feel at any point during the college all

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Speaker 8: season that cam Ward orshe Door Sanders were the best

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Speaker 8: quarterback in college I know they led college and touchdowns,

484
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Speaker 8: but I never watched on a Saturday and thought, God,

485
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Speaker 8: this guy is the best quarterback in college football, like

486
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Speaker 8: I did Jayden Daniels or like I did Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 8: You know, you don't get that level of conviction with

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Speaker 8: these guys. So I do feel like that's where we're

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Speaker 8: getting teams that are saying Cleveland's different, they have to

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Speaker 8: draft a quarterback because of Deshaun Watson. But with the Titans,

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Speaker 8: the Giants it's yeah, maybe we just bring in some

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Speaker 8: competition here. Maybe we tried to bridge quarterback situation for

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Speaker 8: another season, and then if we keep our jobs, then

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Speaker 8: we'll worry about what twenty twenty six might look like.

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Speaker 2: The big reason why we wanted to have you on

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Speaker 2: is obviously hand size. Jalen Milrose hand sized. His hands

497
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Speaker 2: got bigger since the Senior Bowl. How does that happen?

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Speaker 8: Almost an inch bigger, not like an incremental He grew

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Speaker 8: out his fingernails an inch bigger. I don't I've talked

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Speaker 8: to hand surgeons this week. How quickly could you do

501
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Speaker 8: a finger extension? I don't know. You know what's going on.

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Speaker 8: The honest answer is I think what happened at the

503
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Speaker 8: Senior Bowl is they measured his left hand, for example,

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Speaker 8: and at the combine they measured his right hand. That

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Speaker 8: will happen. That's the only thing I can come up with.

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Speaker 8: You see measurement disparities, and there's some gamesman shit to this.

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Speaker 2: I think it was.

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Speaker 8: Was it Brandon Allen come out of Arkansas like ten

509
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Speaker 8: years ago that was doing the hand stretches to get

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Speaker 8: his hands bigger and it actually worked. So I want

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Speaker 8: to talk to cam Ward I want to find this out.

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Speaker 8: I have a message into his dad, Calvin, to find

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Speaker 8: out the answer to this, because I excuse me to

514
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Speaker 8: Jalen Milroe, I haven't a message into his agent to

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Speaker 8: find this out. I got to find out because it's

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Speaker 8: I've never I've never heard of an inch. That's that's

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Speaker 8: a lot, that's that's a big time hand growth.

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Speaker 2: And I'm wondering about NFL teams who fell in love

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Speaker 2: with the running game, if other teams will follow suit

520
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Speaker 2: in the draft, will we see an uptick in that

521
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Speaker 2: you won't be afraid to draft a running back or

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Speaker 2: two in the first round.

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Speaker 8: I think you will be afraid, and you also will

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Speaker 8: get the public backlash, except for from mel Kiper, who

525
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Speaker 8: says you should never draft a running back in the

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Speaker 8: first round. Otherwise you know you're not going to get

527
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Speaker 8: your beat reporters in there saying, oh my god, I

528
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Speaker 8: can't believe we took Ashton Genty in the top ten,

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Speaker 8: or we took Omarion Hampton in the top thirty. I

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Speaker 8: think you can point to Bjeon Robinson and Jamier Gibbs

531
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Speaker 8: even as examples of drafting a guy in the first round.

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Speaker 8: They can come in and be the backbone of your offense.

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Speaker 8: I think more importantly if you have your quarterback, if

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Speaker 8: you're a team that has that figured out, that's the

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Speaker 8: time to draft a running back now, because you have

536
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Speaker 8: that position solved and you can go back to being

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Speaker 8: a balanced team. But this is one of the best

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Speaker 8: running back classes of not the best running back class

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Speaker 8: I've ever seen. I've been doing this for fifteen years,

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Speaker 8: so I think we've got a shot to have a

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Speaker 8: record for the modern era, which would be thirty running

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Speaker 8: backs drafted. The last time that happened was twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 8: which was Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, players like that. So

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Speaker 8: I don't know that we see three fly off the

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Speaker 8: board in the top fifteen necessarily, but feel pretty confidently

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Speaker 8: we could see three in the top thirty picks.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Travis Hunter or his agent has

548
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Speaker 2: said anything, but is there going to be any blowback

549
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Speaker 2: if he doesn't want to go to a team because

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Speaker 2: of how he thinks they would use him or not

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Speaker 2: use him.

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Speaker 8: I haven't heard anything about that. That would be fascinating.

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Speaker 8: I think the sense that I've got is that Travis

554
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Speaker 8: just loves football, so much, which he does want to

555
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Speaker 8: go Smarre where he can play both ways, and it

556
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 8: truly is like his belief that he will make that

557
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 8: team better by doing both. But I think that is

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Speaker 8: an important part of the next forty five days is

559
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Speaker 8: him having those conversations with teams. And I said before

560
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Speaker 8: the combine, my number one question of him to him,

561
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Speaker 8: if I was a general manager, would be what if

562
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Speaker 8: we said you can only play one way? Which side

563
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Speaker 8: is that? What do you prefer? I personally think that

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Speaker 8: he would be better as a wide receiver. I have

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Speaker 8: friends in the league who think you would be better

566
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Speaker 8: at corner. So there is kind of this polarization about

567
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Speaker 8: which side would he be better at. But I think

568
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Speaker 8: ultimately it comes down to which side. Do you have

569
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Speaker 8: a love for one side more than the other or

570
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Speaker 8: do you care that wide receivers make double with corners?

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Speaker 7: Dude?

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Speaker 8: Has that factored into your decision making process or the

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Speaker 8: longevity you know he's he's one hundred and eighty eight

574
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Speaker 8: pounds six foot one hundred and eighty eight pounds. I

575
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Speaker 8: don't personally want him tackling AJ Brown fifteen times a game.

576
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Speaker 8: I would rather him be trying to evade those guys

577
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Speaker 8: than go out and initiate contacts. So there is a

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Speaker 8: lot to that.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 8: He says he can play both ways. I think he

581
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Speaker 8: can try. My statement has been it is very hard

582
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Speaker 8: to be great at one position in the NFL, just mentally.

583
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Speaker 8: It's so hard. So now we're going to divide that

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Speaker 8: time to a rookie and say, hey, not only welcome

585
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Speaker 8: to the NFL, but but now you got to learn

586
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Speaker 8: two very very hard positions to transition to the NFL,

587
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Speaker 8: where we don't see guys as rookies oftentimes have great

588
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Speaker 8: years as corners, sometimes at receiver. But we're asking him

589
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Speaker 8: to learn two very hard positions at the same time.

590
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Speaker 8: I don't know how feasible that is.

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Speaker 2: He said that it's tougher to do what he's trying

592
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Speaker 2: to do than what Sho heeo Tani does by hitting

593
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Speaker 2: and pitching your thoughts, I.

594
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Speaker 8: Think hitting a baseball is the hardest thing in sports.

595
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Speaker 8: So I'm going to respectfully disagree as someone who could

596
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Speaker 8: do neither right. It's easy to sit here in my

597
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Speaker 8: quarter zip and say one's easier than the other. But

598
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Speaker 8: I think hitting a baseball when it's one hundred miles

599
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Speaker 8: an hour is the hardest thing is sports, and then

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Speaker 8: to turn around to be a dominant pitcher. Now to

601
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Speaker 8: Travis's point, he said, show Hey only pitches once every

602
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Speaker 8: five games. That's five days. By the way, Travis only

603
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 8: have to play football once every seven days. So if

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Speaker 8: we're being honest about the statements, they're both getting some

605
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 8: breaks in there. But I think we'll show Hey does

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Speaker 8: he's unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Is there anybody that we

608
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: should keep an eye on that you would consider given

609
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: what happened at the combine that really affected their draft status.

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Speaker 8: I think Nick even worry the safety from South Carolina

611
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Speaker 8: went from being a late first rounder to maybe a

612
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Speaker 8: top fifteen pick to be six three two twenty toront

613
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Speaker 8: of four to three. He looks like Derwin James out there.

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Speaker 8: He has ball skills. He had four picks five pass

615
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Speaker 8: breakups this year. He's a great tackler as well. So

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Speaker 8: I still think as we try to figure out how

617
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Speaker 8: to handle mobile quarterbacks, defenders like him are the answers.

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Speaker 8: So he's I think he's the biggest riser coming out

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Speaker 8: of it all.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Matt. Thanks An that's Matt Miller, ESPN NFL

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Speaker 2: Draft analyst. So the Pro Football Focus lead analyst Trevor

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Speaker 2: Sikima did say that he does and even see should

624
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Speaker 2: Or Sanders as a first round pick, and Matt kind

625
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Speaker 2: of back that up. I don't know. Now, once again,

626
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Speaker 2: this is what happens. Everybody has a consensus until the

627
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Speaker 2: people get paid to have a consensus. You know, those

628
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Speaker 2: who are the scouts, those who are the gms, the coaches.

629
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Speaker 2: Now you're starting to hear real, real conversation about this

630
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Speaker 2: instead of how many times have we watched a game

631
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Speaker 2: and you go, godie, that guy he could play in

632
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Speaker 2: the NFL, And then all of a sudden you realize, no,

633
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: maybe he can't play in the NFL, or if he does,

634
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: he'll be a backup in the NFL. College, you know,

635
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: can inflate you. The NFL deflates you. You can be

636
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Speaker 2: in college and you're like just whipping it around and

637
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: they're like, this is easy, and all of a sudden

638
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: you realize it's not easy. And that's where these scouts,

639
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: the people who are looking at these prospects, now, this

640
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: is real, not you know, drive by innocent advice to

641
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Speaker 2: and hey, yeah, that guy's gonna be he could, He's

642
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: gonna be number one on my board. Look, I love

643
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: Mel Kuiper, but when you look at somebody's draft board

644
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Speaker 2: during the season, and then you look at it after

645
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: the season, and then you look at it as we

646
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: get ready for the draft, it changes dramatically. Well what happened?

647
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Speaker 2: It's you get people who are paid to do this

648
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Speaker 2: to break down these prospects because their job depends on it.

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Speaker 2: Mel's not getting fired for his draft board, but a

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Speaker 2: guy who says, let's take Shador Sanders number two overall

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Speaker 2: could get fired. We'll take a break. Your phone calls

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 2: Speaking of it, Shay Gill just Alexander has scored at

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Speaker 2: least twenty points in fifty six consecutive games. That's the

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Speaker 2: longest streak since James Harden went fifty seven games in

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. Who made this, Marvin? This is Lee in

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Heard it on the Twitter machine. Somebody sent it to

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Speaker 8: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Everybody.

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Speaker 12: This is the quality that we need if you're going

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Speaker 12: and it needs to be good like this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, I had like a cool in the gang

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Speaker 8: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah, Paul, I want to part my

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Speaker 2: hair down the middle and go roller skating right now.

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Speaker 2: I like it. Matt in California, Matt, thanks for holding

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Speaker 2: what do you.

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Speaker 13: Have for me?

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Speaker 8: DP?

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Speaker 2: Good morning a shrinking six.

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Speaker 13: First time, first time, last time caller. Just appreciate you

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Speaker 13: and all of you guys for all these years of

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Speaker 13: entertainment I've been listening to you since one with Rob Dibble,

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Speaker 13: and I felt compelled I had to give you a

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Speaker 13: call today. Today mark's the thirty fifth anniversary of Haink

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Speaker 13: Gathers in Gersten Pavilion. I was a student there, a

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Speaker 13: student of only thirty five hundred undergrad We had our

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Speaker 13: second round game in the tournament. We're hosting Portland State.

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Speaker 13: We just beat some terrible team called Gonzaga from Washington

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Speaker 13: by thirty the night before, and we were all geared

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Speaker 13: up for this game and sitting in the stands at

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Speaker 13: five o'clock on a Sunday afternoon, we watched his hink

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Speaker 13: slammed in alley up from Terrerel Lowry and then he

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Speaker 13: ran back and a sudd hit as he fell to

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Speaker 13: the floor.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I did Sports Center that night, and I remember we

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Speaker 2: had Chris Myers as a reporter in Los Angeles and

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Speaker 2: he did a great on the job. In the moment

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Speaker 2: reporting that night, I was anchoring with Chris Berman. Chris

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Speaker 2: Berman was a guest hosting on Sports that night, and uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, we had a photographer, their cameraman, and he

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Speaker 2: he focused on Hank gather after, you know, he had

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Speaker 2: the basket and then he started to backpedal and the

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Speaker 2: cameraman stayed on Hank Gathers and you saw him. You

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Speaker 2: saw him hit the floor, and uh, you know, changed

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Speaker 2: college athletics, certainly changed college basketball because you had to.

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Speaker 2: Everybody has a defibrillator now to shock somebody back to life.

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Speaker 2: And I don't believe they had one in the arena

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Speaker 2: that night, but uh, yeah, Hank Athers and such a

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Speaker 2: fun team, Loyal to Merrymount, fun team. They were playing

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Speaker 2: NBA style basketball back in nineteen ninety. Paul west Ed

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Speaker 2: was playing NBA the style you have now, and that

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Speaker 2: is we'll give you two, We're going to take a three.

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Speaker 2: We're going to run you. We're going to run you,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to go constant bo kimball. They were

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Speaker 2: a fun team.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Put if you go on YouTube, you could see a

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Speaker 3: lot of highlights of Hank Gathers for people who don't

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Speaker 3: know him.

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Speaker 2: In eighty eight eighty nine, his junior.

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Speaker 3: Year at Loyal to Marrymount, he averaged thirty three points

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Speaker 3: a game and fourteen rebounds without shooting threes in any way.

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Speaker 2: And he ended up from you know, they were from Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: Him and Bow they ended up at loyal to Merrymount. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he started at USC and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: loyal to Merrymount and really haven't had much from loyal

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Speaker 2: to Merrymount, I don't think since then. But that was

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Speaker 2: a up and down run. We're going. They were in

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Speaker 2: better shape than everybody, yeah, Marph.

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Speaker 12: Now how good were they nationally? Where they looked at

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Speaker 12: as a threat to go to the final four during

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Speaker 12: that season?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know what they were ranked,

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Speaker 2: but Hank was I think considered the best player in

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Speaker 2: the country. Bow was a great player too, And then

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Speaker 2: they had role players and was it Jeff Fryer, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the shooter, Yeah, yeah, they had. That was fun team. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: fun team. Chris and Brooklyn. Hi, Chris, what's on your

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Speaker 2: mind today?

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Speaker 7: It's not budd Hey.

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Speaker 9: Thanks. Going on a little vibe shift here. Since twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty three, November twenty twenty three, I've had a kind

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Speaker 9: of spreadsheet open while I listen to the show, and

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Speaker 9: I've been recording when I remember to enter the heights

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Speaker 9: and weights of people that give them voluntarily. Okay, I

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Speaker 9: have two hundred and thirty six entries, including the last

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Speaker 9: guys just called and I have the average heights, weight,

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Speaker 9: and body mass index of the Dan Patrick caller.

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Speaker 2: Chris, what do you do the rest of the day?

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Speaker 9: You know, I participate in various things.

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Speaker 2: What is the average height and weight of a DP

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Speaker 2: show listener?

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Speaker 9: If you're ready, The average height is five to eleven,

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Speaker 9: the average weight is two hundred and six pounds. That

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Speaker 9: makes sure a body mass index of twenty eight point seven,

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Speaker 9: making the average caller empirically soft.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris. Maybe I don't want to know what

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Speaker 2: he does the rest of the day. Uh, Andrew and Washington,

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Speaker 2: Hi Andrew, welcome back.

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Speaker 10: Hey, good morning DP and Danna, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 10: I got an NFL draft kind of take and then

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Speaker 10: I have a real quick stat of the day. But

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Speaker 10: I don't think we should fall for the you know,

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Speaker 10: the cam Ward scam or the Shador Sanders shade or

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Speaker 10: anything like that. For some reason, with not that great

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Speaker 10: a quarterbacks in this draft, I wonder what draft kings

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Speaker 10: over under for quarterbacks taking in the first round will

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Speaker 10: be one point five two point five over under. I

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Speaker 10: have a feeling I don't know why the leader in

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Speaker 10: passing yards in the NCAA, Kyle McCord, might come out

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Speaker 10: to be the best quarterback in the pros. He did

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Speaker 10: throw the ball to Jackson Smith and Jigba and Marvin

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Speaker 10: Harrison junior at Ohio State before going to Syracuse. So

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Speaker 10: I just I don't know why no analysis there, just

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Speaker 10: my thought. My stat of the day is Sai Gilgis

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Speaker 10: Alexander has joined Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, and James Harden

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Speaker 10: as the only players in the last twenty five years

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Speaker 10: in the NBA to score thirty plus points in thirty

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Speaker 10: or thirty five or more games in three straight seasons.

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Speaker 10: Maybe a deep cut, but stat of the day.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Andrew. Final hour coming up, the lead draft

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Speaker 2: analyst at Pro Football Focus apparently doesn't believe shed Or

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Speaker 2: Sanders is a first round draft pick. He'll tell us why.

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Speaker 2: Coming up. More of your phone calls as well. Two

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Speaker 2: hours in the books on this Tuesday. One more to go.