1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: The control group contains scenes of realistic violence and graphic sexuality. 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: It is intended for mature listeners. In the field of 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: psychiatric medicine, it was an exciting time, a time of 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: innovation and discovery, a time when mental health institutions struggled 5 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: to redefine themselves, to become something more than repositories of 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: the sick. Unorthodox methods and aggressive therapies were not only permitted, 7 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: but encouraged. This is a record of that time. This 8 00:00:45,760 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: is the control group. Good Good. This is Tuesday, January. 9 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: This morning saw the unsuccessful release of Charlotte Benton to 10 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: the care of her husband. Her emotional breakdown on the 11 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: front walkway of the hospital was witnessed by many of 12 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: the hospital personnel and was completely unacceptable to maintaining the 13 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: morale staff and patience. In response to this incident, I've 14 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: decided to initiate a long term sleep there before and 15 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: implement a more aggressive psychic driving tape than I prescribed 16 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: for the other patients. In order for these recorded statements 17 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: to have a more authoritative tone, I've decided to record 18 00:01:53,400 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: them myself. Charlotte, I feel that I have been too 19 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: lenient with you and have not given your I feel 20 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: like the staff of Virgery and myself have for too 21 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: long encouraged a sense of comfort, of artificial confidence and 22 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: well being. Well and smoke, m take two. I look 23 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: at you, Charlotte, and I see I see a woman 24 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: whose pleasing countenance, your poise and grace. It may be 25 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: the object of any man's desire. And I want you 26 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: to return to your home, or you can resume a 27 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: nor a more healthy sexual relationship and satisfy your husband. No, no, no, 28 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: I shouldn't do that, you know, what the hell with it? God, 29 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: damn you've Charlotte. I swear to God, if you create 30 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: another scene like the one you did outside the hospital, 31 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: I will personally deliver so much electricity to your brain 32 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: that your eyes will pop up like burnt toast. And 33 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: if summer Hill and his boys had seen that sad 34 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: little spectacle, you wouldn't be here today to wine and 35 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: moan and prance around the Warld like some kind of 36 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: price poodle. Okay, all better. In order for these recorded 37 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: statements to have a more authoritative own, I've decided to 38 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: record them myself, all right. Psychic driving Tape for Charlotte Benton, 39 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: January nine, sixty two. You have failed, Charlotte, as a woman, 40 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: as a housewife, as a mother. You have failed. You 41 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: will never become a healthy, mentally functioning, desirable woman until 42 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: you take responsibility for your failures and acknowledge that you 43 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: simply lack the strength, the strength, and character to be 44 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: a proper wife and woman. You need to undo all 45 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: the damage you've done to your life and prepare to 46 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: be taught the rules of proper behavior that I, Dr Hayes, 47 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: and still in you. I want to reduce you to 48 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: a blank slate, completely free of your own will, your 49 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: mind erased, so that we can rebuild it the way 50 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: it should be. You must trust Dr Hayes, Charlotte. You 51 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: must bend your will, submit yourself to me, heed my 52 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: every instruction, comply with my every command, and allow yourself 53 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: to be shaped into the kind of woman I expect 54 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: you to be, the kind of woman you should be. 55 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: Any command I care to make you will obey. No 56 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: matter what I instruct you to do, You will obey. 57 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: You will obey me and only me, For only by 58 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: absolute compliance can we help you attain the mental health, 59 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: the moral happiness, and the personal confidence that will allow 60 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: you to become a fully functioning member of society with 61 00:06:36,600 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: no further need of medical attention. Is his patient Karen Myers, Wednesday, 62 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: February ninth, Head of View nine, after seventeen weeks in 63 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: the sleep room. Awaken from deep sleep this morning. Dual 64 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: drip of sodium amitol mhm, and we should be ready. Yes, yes, 65 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: dr good, that'll be all verdery m darkening the room 66 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: with the exception of one directional lamp behind my right shoulder. 67 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: Patient will be largely immobile due to the two I 68 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: V tubes. Just watching now, waiting for the patient to emerge. 69 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: Here she comes, Relax and hear me. Careen, allow me 70 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: to come inside and join you in your mind. There 71 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: should be no barriers between us, no barriers to separate 72 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: us from the realm of your memory. It is all 73 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: there for both of us to see clearly, as if 74 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: it were happening before us. How's that sound. As your 75 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: body relaxes, you will see the interior of room five 76 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: twelve materializes around you the Dixie Motel. You're inside that room. Now. 77 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: As you move about the room, you will allow me 78 00:08:51,720 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: to observe you're there. Now, look around. Is there a 79 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: bed in the room. Yes, you're lying on the bed. 80 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: Look around. What else is in the room? A dresser 81 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: with a mirror, a chest of drawers, a mirror above that, 82 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: the door to the bathroom, the door to the hallway. 83 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: Is anyone else here? Not? Now? Just me and you, 84 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: doctor forget I'm doctor Hayes. Just pretend I'm an ordinary man. 85 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: I want you to show me what it is you 86 00:09:54,559 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: do what he wants you to do when you were 87 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: in room five twelve on August. I I want you 88 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: to be the woman you were on August in room 89 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: five twelve at the Dixie Motel. And you want meets 90 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: you what he want you to do. You want me 91 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: to seduce you. I know. I mean I want you 92 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: to describe to me, demonstrate what you did that night 93 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: in room five twelve exactly so you are a man? 94 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 1: Big pardon? Are you a man? Or are you the 95 00:10:51,960 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: man the man I brought here? Ronnie? Yes, yes, m 96 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: let's say that I am anything you want without actually 97 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: touching me. Don't be shy, relax, then let me fix 98 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: you a drink. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait just a moment. 99 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: Because of the I need you to show me without 100 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: moving from this spot. I can't unhook the end. Just 101 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: stay in the spot. I can try. You could just 102 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: fix me a drink here? Anything you say, gin anything? 103 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm right, you know what? Make it to bourbon. You're 104 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: becoming more relaxed already. There's really nothing to be nervous about. 105 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: A little ice, a big red cherry, a little something 106 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: sweet and here you go, cheers. How are you having 107 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: one now while I'm on duty? What's wrong? What? What 108 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: do you mean? Aren't you going to drink it? Yeah? Yeah, 109 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: of course, m delicious. Now you can really relax here 110 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: undo me what there's a hook at the top and 111 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: a zipper? Can you get that for me? Dr Ronnie? 112 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: Remember I remember when you're with a man in room? 113 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: When you were with Ronald Grant? Did you have sex 114 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: with him? That's what you want, right, okay, Karen, For 115 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: the sake of ourt therapy, let's say that you and 116 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: I have you and Ronald Grant have just have just 117 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: had it. Usually takes about forty five minutes, sometimes an 118 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: hour or more, but sometimes as little as fifteen yes, yes, yes, yes, 119 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: well let's say sometimes past how much like thirty or 120 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: or forty five an hour? Goodness, most men don't have 121 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: that kind of it's tolerance. Yes, I'm show what's wrong? 122 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: He didn't finish. Huh, you have to finish. He has 123 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: to see. Oh, the man watches me in round five twelve, 124 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: he insists, but you can't touch me. I need you 125 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: to relax and quite down. Slowly come back to the office, 126 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: away from room five twelve, back to the Central State Hospital. 127 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I am no longer Ronald Rant. I 128 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: am Dr Hayes, And you're in my office with me. 129 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: Is that clear? Karen? Can you hear my voice? Karen? 130 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: What is it? Yeah? Who's here? You know the man 131 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: you're so curious about. He knows up here watching us, right, 132 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: that's always watching, always listening. Can you see him? Of 133 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: course not, you can't see busy real more imaginary, very real. 134 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: Does he know my name, Karen? Does he know my name? Yes? 135 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: Continuation of interview with patient Karen Myers, Wednesday, February nine. 136 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: So this man, this other man, not Ronald Grant, the 137 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: other man. He is real. Yes, he watches you, Yes, 138 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: but you can't see him. That's right. Was he in 139 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: the room the night Ronald Grant was killed? Not exactly 140 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: he was or he wasn't he was that he wasn't 141 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: enough of this. I'm removing the patient from the sodium 142 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: amatur trip. In the meantime, I'll continue the end of 143 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: year to see if her response is changed while she's 144 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: returned to a liminal state. Karen. Yes, one of the 145 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: nurses said, you asked to make a telephone call. Yeah, yeah, 146 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: you want to call him? Yes? If I give your phone, 147 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: would you call him now? Mm? Hm? He might be angry. 148 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: There's nothing to be frightened us. I am unplugging the 149 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: office phone from the jack and placing it next to 150 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: the patient. There you go, Karen. Are you sure you 151 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: want me to do this? Yes? What should I tell him? 152 00:17:41,880 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what to say. Oh. Hi, it's Karen. 153 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about the man I 154 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: was with m last night. I don't understand what went wrong, 155 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: but he must have had some mm hmm oh, I 156 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: see what what's he saying? He thinks it was something 157 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: to do with the dosage. No, I'm I'm here. I 158 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: was just okay. I was worried that I had done 159 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: something wrong. Okay, so just call me ask him what 160 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: the drug is. No, it's nobody. I've got the television 161 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: on Karen, shut No, I told you it's it's just 162 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: a TV set. I know, I know, I know it 163 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: is there someone win? No, Yes, yes, it's the man 164 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: from last night. He followed me here. He's been asking 165 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: lots of questions. I'm sorry, all right enough, I swear, 166 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: And he doesn't know anything. He's just he's just very confused. 167 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Please don't. I'll get rid of him. Okay, Um, he 168 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: won't ask any more questions. No, no, you don't have 169 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: to do that. Please don't. He's not He's not gonna 170 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: make any trouble. I'll make a promise. Okay, he won't 171 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: say anything. Doesn't do anywhere. Stop me. I don't know 172 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: what you're doing it to me. I didn't I didn't 173 00:19:53,440 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: mean to do that. Just a second. Hello, okay, okay, 174 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: Dr Hayes. Yeah, he wants to talk to you to me, yes, hello, Hello, 175 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ, you just hung up, Karen. He's not 176 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: going to be happy about that. He's on his way 177 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: over here right now, and I think I think he 178 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: wants to kill you. Could you come back in? Probably 179 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: killed me too, but maybe not if I tell him, 180 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: If I confess, yeah, phone doesn't work. If you don't 181 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: plug it in. I have no secret. Gloria, where's virtue? 182 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: She went down to admissions, said she when she gets back, 183 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: have her take Karen off the I V S and 184 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: preper free c T. But Dr Hayes isn't She's just 185 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: do it, Gloria. Don't argue, Dr Hayes. God damn it, Gloria, 186 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: what were you making a phone call? What? No? Well 187 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: one O two is blinking. That means your line is engaged. 188 00:21:51,280 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, yes, mm hmm that's right. I tried to, 189 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: but they wouldn't let me. Paren. What are you doing 190 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: your phone? It wasn't loved in? I fixed it. Put 191 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: down the phone. I will, Morgan, I'll try it. Karen. Yes, 192 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: Dr Hayes. Who what is it? He wants to speak 193 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: to you? To me? Yes, huh Hello? Who is this? M? 194 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: Don't you worry her this? Tell me where you are, 195 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: Tell me where she is so I can come get her. 196 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: That's quite impossible. Nothing's impossible. You will, of all people 197 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: should know that, Dr Hayes. Dr Walter hay m hm M. 198 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: The Control Group is a production of How Stuff Works, 199 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: written and directed by Brett Wood, recorded and mixed by 200 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: Rob Gal, starring John Schmids as Dr Hayes, Hannah Fearman 201 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: as Karen, Lisa Paulson as Verdery, Jim Bates as Charlotte, 202 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: and Daniel May as summer Hill. Also featuring Andrew Nader, 203 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: Rachel Frawley, Mary Kraft, Kelly O'Neill, Joe Sykes and Troy Willis. 204 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: Music by Rob Gal and Bretwood. M m m