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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to get another update now on the

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Speaker 2: big tragedy that occurred Sunday night out in Cabazon when

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Speaker 2: a couple of helicopters collided at the scene of a

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Speaker 2: brush fire. These were, uh, well, firefighter helicopters. One was

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Speaker 2: actually a Sokrski S sixty four as they call it,

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Speaker 2: the skycrane of course, that actually does the drops. The

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Speaker 2: other was a helicopter, a Bell four oh seven that

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Speaker 2: was there to try to well, I guess, monitor the

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Speaker 2: the scene. They collided and of course three people died,

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Speaker 2: two of them firefighters and a contract pilot. Let's pick

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Speaker 2: up the story again with Steve Gregory to see what

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Speaker 2: else we have learned. Now that it's Tuesday, a couple

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Speaker 2: of days of past.

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Speaker 1: Steve, Well, the NTSB was here yesterday. They had their

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Speaker 1: first sort of press briefing. They took only a couple questions,

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Speaker 1: but they were basically telling everyone, we're here, we've taken

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Speaker 1: control of the investigation. We'll let you know how things

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Speaker 1: are going in, you know, in a few days. But

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Speaker 1: that means they're going to secure the scene. They've already

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Speaker 1: started to map the area with drones, and we're waiting

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Speaker 1: to see how long it's going to take for them

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Speaker 1: to gather all their evidence, because then about fifteen days

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Speaker 1: after that they'll submit their preliminary report. We should have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good idea of what happened. Now. Yesterday I

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Speaker 1: was contacted by a listener who claimed to have seen

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Speaker 1: as well as I do. Sometimes people call and they

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Speaker 1: imagine a lot of different They're crazy, right, Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: get you know, there's a lot of fantasy and whatnot here,

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Speaker 1: a lot of kooks. Yeah, but this guy was offering

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Speaker 1: some very specific information that wasn't necessarily in public yet.

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Speaker 1: So I called him back again today and we talked

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Speaker 1: So this is Terrence. He lives in the Ie. He's

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Speaker 1: a truck driver. He drives a tanker, and he was

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Speaker 1: driving on the Tan Freeway on that Sunday afternoon. He

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Speaker 1: was headed westbound. He had was just coming up on

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Speaker 1: then to his left. He saw the brush fire and

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Speaker 1: he saw the air attack going on. He said, in fact,

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Speaker 3: And I was watching the retardant drops, and then after

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Speaker 1: So when I asked him to kind of clarify that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it kind of sheared the bottom and then

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Speaker 4: Here's what he said. He how he reacted.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I just watched somebody die and that

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Speaker 1: So when I talked to him some more about his experience,

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Speaker 1: I think we spent about ten fifteen minutes on the phone.

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Speaker 1: He said, By the way, I've already spoken to the NTSB,

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Speaker 1: so he's already had his interview. He's already told him

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Speaker 1: everything he's just told us. So there was I believe

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Speaker 1: because he had some very interesting information again that wasn't

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Speaker 2: The Press Enterprise says that normally the spotter aircraft fly

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Speaker 2: above the ones that are actually doing the water drops,

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Speaker 2: but in this case it was below, so I said.

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Speaker 2: They also they fly clockwise so they can better see

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Speaker 1: It's almost like he was looking at the front wind windshield. Again.

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Speaker 4: We can sit here and speculate.

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Speaker 1: I know, but I mean to do it like a

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Speaker 4: That's weird. It baffles me too.

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Speaker 1: Now. The only thing I could think of, again, based

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Speaker 4: It was something go beat beep, beep, like in your car.

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Speaker 1: When they would they would have if again, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what is equipped on that particular bell, but they

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Speaker 1: would have collision avoidance. A lot of times those helicopters

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Speaker 1: have those kinds of collision avoidance softwares, right because because

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Speaker 1: they're used for these fire situations where you have many

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Speaker 1: what it's licensed to do, it's going to have to

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Speaker 1: remember going back to the Kobe Bryant helicopter craft, because

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Speaker 1: there were some similarities here, they didn't have to have

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Speaker 1: the collision avoidance on it because remember it was a

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Speaker 1: and then the charter company didn't want to They dont

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Speaker 1: want to cost a lot of mon right.

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Speaker 1: So whereas on this you know where safety is a

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Speaker 4: And here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: And I don't take anything away from Terrence in his story,

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Speaker 1: but one thing I have learned from talking to a

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Speaker 1: see things and process it, and they processed it in

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Speaker 1: a way where that's not what really happened, but that's

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Speaker 1: what they believed happened. Sure, well, it's it's tough when

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Speaker 1: on on two helicopters in the air, and how high

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Speaker 1: he said checks out, that little helicopter hit something for

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there was any television coverage. No,

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Speaker 1: or perfect view from it there. Well, like you said yesterday,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't happened to anybody's memory, so something unusual must.

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Speaker 4: Have occurred with the pilot. But I do believe that.

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Speaker 1: I believe what Terrence says he saw only because he

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Speaker 1: gave I've got his number. It's not one of these

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Speaker 1: identify me. It's like, you know, those are the people

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Speaker 1: that I read flag immediately, but this guy was like

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Speaker 1: So there's some legitimacy there. All. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at the altitude readings. At six

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Speaker 2: twenty four hundred feet, the sky crane was at four

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Speaker 2: the Bell's still at twenty four hundred feet, but the

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Speaker 2: skycrane is down to three thousand feet. At six forty

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Speaker 2: five and thirty seconds, the bell's at twenty four hundred

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Speaker 2: feet and the sky crane's down at twenty seven hundred feet.

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Speaker 1: And then they crashed. The bell crashed at six forty

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Speaker 1: you of that that the bigger the sky crane was

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Speaker 4: Ah see, that makes that's more tangible right there.

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Speaker 2: But that seems strange if you're in the Bell and

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Speaker 2: your job is to kind of monitor out of this right,

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Speaker 2: to monitor all the act in the area. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: It's not migrant transports.

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Speaker 2: It's not the Santus and Abbot sending them, even though

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Speaker 2: we have the famous remember Martha's Vine your bust that

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Speaker 2: came right, Yeah, but most of them are actually Haitians,

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Speaker 2: most of them. Many of the migrants a arriving in

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Speaker 2: Massachusetts are from Haiti because the Boston metro area is

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Speaker 2: home to the third largest Haitian population in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Others are apparently from Venezuela, so they don't have the

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Speaker 2: same exact problem they have in New York.

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Speaker 1: But whatever it is, it's people and there's open the border,

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Speaker 1: and it's too much. Whether they voluntarily go to these states,

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Speaker 1: or they're tricked into it, or it's some kind of evacuate,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You've got bodies, large number of bodies

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Speaker 1: in a place that can't they can't fit in. They

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Speaker 1: got nowhere to go. And now instead of these governors

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Speaker 1: and mayors who have plenty of their own problems, now

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Speaker 1: they got to devote all their time to this. Now

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Speaker 1: you're governor of the world, you're mayor of the world.

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Speaker 1: You've got to deal with everybody's personal and family problems,

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Speaker 1: right because when you have thousands of people come, there's

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Speaker 1: a thousand stories, and you don't know these people. You're

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Speaker 1: not really obligated to help these people. They barged in illegally,

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Speaker 1: and now they're in the streets making demands, and now

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Speaker 1: you've got to devote all your time as the mayor

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Speaker 1: and governor and spend our money on this.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently Adams is the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Just give them what they call TPS, temporary protected status

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Speaker 2: so they can get a job.

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Speaker 1: That's all they're asking for, Not close the border. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and as if that's easy for them, right, Like they

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Speaker 1: know where to go to get a job. They can't

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Speaker 1: speak English, most of them, they most of them don't

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Speaker 1: have much in the way of skills. What job is this?

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Speaker 2: We got more coming up? Johnny ken camf I am

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Speaker 2: six forty live everywhere. It's the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of dummies.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 5: AM six forty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the Moistline coming back in three days already,

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Speaker 2: so we're.

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Speaker 1: Accepting your messages like we always do. Use the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: sound pretty crisp there, or you can call a toll

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Speaker 1: free number. Just use a nice phone that works well.

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Speaker 2: Uh one eight seven seven moist eighty six one eight

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Speaker 2: seven seven six six four seven eight eight six.

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Speaker 1: Well, if it isn't bad enough that there are thieves

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Speaker 1: who go into stores, like those poor guys at the

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Speaker 1: seven to eleven who beat the shoplift we're my favorite

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Speaker 1: story with a stick with a stick, beat him with

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Speaker 1: his stick. Apparently, Fox News talk to the guy that

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Speaker 1: took that video, remember the guy that was sort of

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Speaker 1: commenting on it, don't do that.

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Speaker 2: He said, he agreed with them. He feels that they

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Speaker 2: did the right thing and they should be left alone.

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Speaker 1: Because the investigating to the two seven eleven workers who

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Speaker 1: took beating a shop with you want to be in

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Speaker 1: that jury and the important part of that story is

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Speaker 1: that's that guy came into the store a couple of

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Speaker 1: hours earlier and took stuff. Yeah, I know, and now

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Speaker 1: he came back. He was trying to empty the cigarette shelf.

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Speaker 1: But it's us against them. The law enforcement's not helping

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Speaker 1: us anymore. What are you gonna do. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: survival of the finish Darwin's Law out there. So get

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Speaker 1: yourself a stick, arm yourself to show you that nothing

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Speaker 1: is beneath the thieves. Here's another story that's popped up

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Speaker 1: going on in the streets from southern California. It's from

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Speaker 1: Channel five reporter Rachel Menentov, and it's those little delivery

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Speaker 1: robots that did you ever see them? They're autonomous delivery vehicles. Oh,

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Speaker 1: like the cocoa carts that go by on the West side.

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Speaker 1: Is that what they're called. They're called coco Yeah. I've

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Speaker 1: seen them up when I was up in Berkeley last year.

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Speaker 1: So a bunch of them go. They're like little wagons

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Speaker 1: and they have like little lives. Do you see the

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Speaker 1: little lives? They kind of move. I know, I came

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Speaker 1: face to face with one. We were trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out who's going to pass oh on which side this?

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Speaker 1: But one thing, I thought, they're so freaking slow. You

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Speaker 1: want to wait three hours for your food for it

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Speaker 1: to go a mile or Yeah, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: efficient it is. You know those little carts, the cocoa carts.

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Speaker 1: There are young people who are trained in video games

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Speaker 1: all their life, right, and this is their job they have,

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Speaker 1: you know, they might be in high school or college,

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Speaker 1: and they have like a joystick and they have a

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Speaker 1: camera and so they can see which way the cocoa

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Speaker 1: cart is going. They could see what's coming, so they

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Speaker 1: drive around you, and they can cross the street and all.

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Speaker 1: So there's a real person who's manipulating it.

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Speaker 2: Well, this story from Channel five shows you that of

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Speaker 2: course people are going to try to attack the little

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Speaker 2: delivery robots.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 6: Viral TikTok videos appear to show people tampering with these

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Speaker 6: autonomous delivery drivers, in this case, stealing the contents inside,

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Speaker 6: tossing them over, and even kicking the robot on route

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Speaker 6: to deliver food. Vandals targeting the new tech which businesses

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Speaker 6: like Blue Jam and Hollywood rely on.

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Speaker 4: I think it was a great idea for COVID.

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Speaker 7: Everything was just like free. You don't have to deal

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Speaker 7: with anybody if something shows up at your door and

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Speaker 7: you just grab your stuff and go.

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Speaker 6: Steve Avila is the general manager here. He says, ultimately

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Speaker 6: it becomes a burden on the business.

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Speaker 7: We just have to remake the food. Luckily, we still

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Speaker 7: get reimbursed for that, so we're not seeing too much

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Speaker 7: out of pocket. But I can see how Postmates and

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Speaker 7: DoorDash and Uber can be hurting from it. Yeah, especially

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Speaker 7: because they also seem like they're expensive, so breaking one

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Speaker 7: of those things.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: Pretty Penny Service Robotics, which operates many of the robots

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Speaker 6: that you see in and around West Hollywood, is aware

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Speaker 6: of these incidents caught on camera. It says oftentimes it's

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Speaker 6: technology which is clearly visible, can be a target. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 6: it still maintains a ninety nine percent completion rate for

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Speaker 6: users of this newer delivery service. Seeing the damage done

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Speaker 6: is disturbing.

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Speaker 7: They're helping swamp businesses and they're not caused in any harm,

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Speaker 7: and I think people are just like looking for attention.

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Speaker 8: The way I look at it is so the robots

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Speaker 8: actually are helping the smaller communities, shops Mama shops, get

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Speaker 8: to your house and so it's really sad to see

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Speaker 8: that people still try to vandalize them.

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Speaker 6: The robots do remain locked and have their own cameras.

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Speaker 6: Rolling one company, Starship Technologies, which developed one version of

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Speaker 6: this robot, says, if a situation ever escalates, the robot

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Speaker 6: sounds a loud siren and all incidents are ultimately reported.

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Speaker 6: You're at Hoyco Hollywood. It's staff have a simple request.

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Speaker 1: Just be my fool.

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Speaker 3: I think that's like, you know, that's what we.

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Speaker 6: Need, but not with the will of the customer, and

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Speaker 6: the basis exactly excited and Starship Technologies tells me in

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Speaker 6: some of these cases, people are actually coming to the

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Speaker 6: defense of the robot and trying to intervene. In these situations.

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Speaker 1: It says that.

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Speaker 6: If you try to block the robot, it will either

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Speaker 6: maneuver around you or it will politely ask you to move,

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Speaker 6: so kind of cool. I also reached out to the

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Speaker 6: LAPD to see if it's aware of these incidents. I

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Speaker 6: don't let you know once I hear.

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Speaker 1: Back, yeah, good luck. Sure, I hope I would say

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Speaker 1: tase you. I mean the streets of LA now, you'd

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Speaker 1: really send this thing out there. Of course, people are

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Speaker 1: gonna beat on it.

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Speaker 2: What are the homeless doing today is trying to lift

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Speaker 2: it up and take it into their encampment.

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Speaker 1: They order drugs using these. Oh is that right? You

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Speaker 1: could have the mass delivered to your tent. Yeah, one

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Speaker 1: of these fantastic? Then right, you never have your narcan

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Speaker 1: you need nark in? I guess what in the real

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Speaker 1: world when they come to your door with there's like

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Speaker 1: a code to open it. Is that how it works?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never had one out of the door.

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Speaker 1: I actually get in my car and I go pick

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Speaker 1: up the food. I know, yes, I saw.

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Speaker 2: I have a neighbor whose kid orders like one little

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Speaker 2: cup of coffee. You see a guy deliver it another

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Speaker 2: time it's a tiny like little hamburger. Everything it's all delivered. Well,

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Speaker 2: the delivery charges add up to it like a big number.

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Speaker 2: Some people don't care. They just want to I do.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to matter. I don't want to spend

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Speaker 1: money on delivery charges. Right, Well, they're idiots. I go

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Speaker 1: around the block, pick it up and bring it home.

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Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous, all right, We got more coming up.

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