1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: This is the Blue Big Day, Bake You Podcast. Good Morning, 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: It's Monday, the sixth of October. I'm Caroline Hepkeitt in London. 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 3: And I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today, Japanese stocks 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 3: sore and the yen weekends as investors react to sanay 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: Takeiichi's pro stimulus stance as she's on track to become 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 3: the country's first female prime minister. 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: Israel and Hamas prepare for talks aimed at ending the 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: two year conflict that's devastated Gaza and destabilized the Middle East. 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: Plus an eleven thousand to one gamble gone wrong. Big 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 3: banks count the cost after a tiny fund's big bet 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: ends in disaster. 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 4: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: Sanae taka Ichi, a pro stimulus conservative, is poised to 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: become Japan's first female prime minister. Japanese equities led Asian 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: stocks to an old time high following her surprise win 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: and the ruling. 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 5: LDP's leadership race. 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: While equity investors embraced the news, bond markets did not 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: longer dated Japanese bond slid with the forty year yields 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 3: surging as investors balanced the potential upside of stimulus against 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: debt market risk with more. Here's our editor at large 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: in Tokyo, Sherry Anne. 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: We know that Sananatakaichi is a nationalist. We know that 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: she's a fan of Margaret Thatcher, a fan of heavy 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: metal music as well. 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 5: But it's really the pro. 28 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: Growth policies that Sanattakaichi has talked about that is really 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: the focus for investors. She's talked about the bogspeezy monetary policy. 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: Toned down her rhetoric during this election campaign, but we 31 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: know that she wants to continue expanding fiscal policy. She's 32 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: promised cash Handel's tax rebate, hinting at raising the tax 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: free income allowance as well. 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: Charry Ama was speaking as analysts that Goldman Sachs warns 35 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: that volatility in Japan's longer dated bonds may now spill 36 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: over into markets as far away is the US and 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: UK scrutiny of longer data. Debt in many developed economies 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: has increased as government's ramp up borrowing, and inflation remains 39 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: stubbornly high. 40 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: Now, the growing fiscal concerns in some of the world's 41 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: biggest economies has seen some investors flocked to the perceived 42 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: safety of precious metals and bitcoin. Gold hit another record 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: today and is now closing in on four thousand dollars 44 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: an ounce, following a glittering run that's seen its surge 45 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: almost fifty percent this year. Bitcoin meanwhile, set another all 46 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: time high over the weekend as a border risk rally 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: around the US government shut down Boyd, the world's largest cryptocurrency. 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 3: Her mass representatives have arrived in Egypt for peace talks, 49 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: seen as the most optimistic moment for diplomacy in the 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: war with Israel. US President Donald Trump is pressing both 51 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: parties to end their near two year war and sign 52 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: up to his twenty point peace plan. Trump told reporters 53 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: he's honored to be a big part of it. 54 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 5: They've been fighting for a plan for years. 55 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 4: We get the passages back almost immediately. 56 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: Negotiations are going on right now, will probably take a 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: couple of days, and people very happy about it. 58 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: The details of what President Trump's plan would mean for 59 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: Gaza's long term future are unclear. For its part, Hamasa 60 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: has said that it will release all hostages if the 61 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: deal is signed, but haven't yet agreed to disarm after 62 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: nearly two years of fighting. The UN backed organizations say 63 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: Palestinians have been subjected to famine and genocide. 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: Here in the UK, Home Secretary Shabanamatt Mood says that 65 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: she is considering new laws to ban repeated protests in 66 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: Britain after pro Palestine marches over the weekend. Almost five 67 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: hundred people were arrested at a march on Saturday the 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: police and the government had tried to cancel after a 69 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: terror attack on a synagogue. Mahmood says the large scale 70 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: demonstrations over Gaza are causing considerable fear for the Jewish 71 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: commune unity. 72 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 6: And what I will be making explicit is that cumulative disruption, 73 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 6: that is to say, the frequency of particular protests in 74 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 6: particular places is in and of itself a reason for 75 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 6: the police to be able to restrict and place conditions. 76 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 6: That is to say, they can move them to a 77 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 6: different place, they can restrict the time that those protests 78 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 6: can occur on my moods. 79 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: Critics include civil liberties groups like Amnesty International, who warn 80 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 2: the UK's right to protest is being evoded. Reports of 81 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: anti Semitic and Islamophobic attacks in Britain are on the 82 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: rise as security officials fear the war in Gaza radicalizing 83 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: people living in the UK. 84 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: French President Emmanuel Macran has appointed a largely unchanged cabinets, 85 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: with most senior ministers from the previous government staying on. 86 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 3: Among the key changes, Rolanda Scure, a close ally of 87 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: the president, becomes Finance Minister, well former minister Bruno Leameier 88 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: returns as Defense Minister. The announcement of sparks backlash from 89 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 3: opposition parties who've demanded a change of course after months 90 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: of political turmoil that could threaten Prime Minister Sebastianna kron 91 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: New's survival and parliament this week. Opposition groups have said 92 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: they will call a no confidence vote as soon as 93 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: he lays out his policy plans in the National Assembly tomorrow. 94 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: Opek Plus has agreed to return one hundred and thirty 95 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: seven thousand bowels a day of halted supply to markets, 96 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: a slower pace than earlier this year. That's despite signs 97 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: of a global oil surplus starting to emerge, and after 98 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: an earlier difference in position between co leaders Saudi Arabia 99 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: and Russia. Our reporter Wailan Soon says OPEC producers are 100 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: each facing different circumstances. 101 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 7: Some like Russia is actually trying to contend with like 102 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 7: increased attacks on its oil production capacity. So let's all 103 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 7: put pulling back some of their potential production. We do 104 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 7: see some estimates for their one hundred and thirty seven 105 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 7: thousand barrels per day that or pet promise over the weekend, 106 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 7: Actually Russia took up about a third of that and 107 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 7: a third of debt might come under stress because of 108 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 7: your princess hex on our expot. 109 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: Facilities, bloombergs Whalenson speaking there. The decision to drip feed 110 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: more barrels into the market shows opek's commitment to keep 111 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: battling for a share of the global oil market. But 112 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: the market's forward curve, which is closely watched by OPEK, 113 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: is filtering. Wall Street forecasters like JP Morgan and Goldman 114 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: Sachs expect the oil price slide will extend below sixty 115 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: dollars a barrel. 116 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: And those are your top stories on the markets. The 117 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: Mscish Pacific Index is up slightly on the day, with 118 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: the standout performer in Asia is the Nika and Tokyo, 119 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: which is four point seven percent higher. The topics of 120 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 3: by three point two percent, the Japanese yen one point 121 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: nine percent weaker against the dollar at one fifty to 122 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: thirty one point eight percent weeker against the euro at 123 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: one seventy six twenty three. The Bloomberg Dollar Spot Index 124 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: three tenths stronger this morning, the euro training at one 125 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: seventeen twenty three. EUROSDOKS fifty futures are up by a 126 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: tenth of one percent. 127 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 2: Well, those are the markets. In a moment, We're going 128 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: to bring you more on the political and market fallout 129 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: from the surprise choice for prime minister in Japan, plus 130 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: the eleven thousand to one bet that has burned some 131 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: of Wall Street's biggest banks. But there is another story 132 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: that has caught our right as ever. This Monday morning, 133 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: we're going to bring you the case for mechanical watches 134 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: in a digital age. I love this story. 135 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 5: A Quest for Time Caroline. 136 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: What a great title for a piece of quite frankly 137 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: ar so Chris Rossar has been writing about this from 138 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: Bar Bloomberg Proceeds team about So it's essentially the history 139 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: of watches. I suppose discussed around this incredible piece that 140 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: was created that he went on a private trip to 141 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: the Louver to see It's called La cuet duton, so 142 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 3: the quest for a time made by the Swiss watchmaker 143 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: of aacheron Constantin, and the piece itself is exquisite. 144 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 5: There are photos of it in the article. 145 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: It's got Lapis Lazilai mother of Pearl gold statuette on 146 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 3: top of it. It seems to tell the time, but 147 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: also your mood and the moon cycles and probably whether 148 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: it's going to rain tomorrow by the look of it 149 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: as well. But it is something that is a work 150 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: of art sighted in the Louvers so in its home there, 151 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: and that prompted this reflection from Chris about the art 152 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: form of time pieces and also where they are now. 153 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 3: You know, we had that big pandemic rush into people 154 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: buying more watches. That's of course now facing the realities 155 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: of things like tariff stickley for Swiss companies as well. 156 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: But Chris kind of poses the more existential question for 157 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: watchmakers of you know, the Apple watch, does that kill everything? 158 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: Does the digital device no give you you know, the 159 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 3: alternative definitely doesn't. 160 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: I've a watch and a timer obviously you've got, you know, 161 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: my phone with its digital countdown on it. Also, but 162 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: I also wear a watch too, so no, I think 163 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: the more time pieces you've got, the better. 164 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 3: See I last wore a watch in two thousand and 165 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 3: six because I stopped wearing one, partly because of being 166 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 3: surrounded by clocks at every other moment of my life. 167 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 3: But I have to say reading Chris's piece has made 168 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: me perhaps reconsider all of those watches people have given 169 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 3: me of gifts over the years that are hiding. 170 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 5: In drawers and various parts of my home. Maybe it's 171 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 5: time to take one out. We'll see. Anyway, we will put 172 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 5: a link to piece in our podcast show notes. 173 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely good stuff. 174 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: Look, let's get to our main story though, Japan, where 175 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: we're seeing major market reactions to the news of a 176 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: pro stimulus lawmaker to become Prime minister. Japanese stock soaring, 177 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: the yen weakening to a record low against the year 178 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: long dated bonds also selling off. Our Asia News Desk 179 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: Managing editor Jill Desis joins us now for more on this. 180 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: Jill, good morning. How much do. 181 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: You think markets are reacting to this and potential what 182 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: are only really potential policies? Why is such a big 183 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: market reaction? 184 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 8: It's really I think comes down to a lot of 185 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 8: takea ICHI's previous comments when it comes to easy money 186 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 8: policy being very pro stimulus. I mean, this is somebody 187 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 8: that at one point last year described the prospect of 188 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 8: the Bank of Japan raising rates as quote stupid. She's 189 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 8: certainly kind of, you know, toned down her rhetoric a 190 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 8: little bit since then. But I think a lot of that, 191 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 8: in combination with you know, some things that she said 192 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 8: about her expansion of spending policies and tendencies in the past, 193 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 8: have really kind of, you know, thrown into you know, 194 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 8: relief here this idea that you do have somebody that's 195 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 8: really embracing the policies of her former mentor the former 196 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 8: Prime ministertion z of Abe. So I think all of that, 197 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 8: in combination with each other, you're really seeing traders kind 198 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 8: of rush to recalibrate their chances of a BOJ rate 199 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 8: hike at the next meeting later this month. You're seeing 200 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 8: them kind of start to price in that idea that 201 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 8: there could be more stimulus on the way. Again, she 202 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 8: has toned down some of her rhetoric recently, but I 203 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 8: think that's sort of where the vibe is shifting her win. 204 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 3: In the LTP leadership price though was a surprise. What 205 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: was it? Do we know that won it for her? 206 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 207 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 8: I think it's a combination of a couple of different 208 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 8: factors here. So first of all, you know, point out, 209 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 8: she did get the most votes in the first round 210 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 8: against her opponent, Quwaizumi, who was assumed to be, you know, 211 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 8: somebody is a front runner there. So maybe there's momentum 212 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 8: that she was really gaining sort of in those repeated 213 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 8: rounds of gunning for this leadership role. But I also 214 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 8: think that you know, look, the the LDP, this you know, 215 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 8: political party, leading political party in Japan has kind of 216 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 8: in shambles at this point. I mean, the former Prime 217 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 8: Minister Ishiba, you know, lost two really critical elections. You've 218 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,599 Speaker 8: really seen sort of a historic low in terms of 219 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 8: the amount of power and influence this party has. And 220 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 8: somebody like Takaichi represents, you know, somebody that could potentially 221 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 8: you know, swing back to the right to attract younger 222 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 8: voters who have flocked to some of these smaller populist 223 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 8: outfits that you know, seem to really be capturing a 224 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 8: lot of the attention of those younger voters. Maybe she 225 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 8: appeals to that crowd and then I also think the 226 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 8: fact that she doesn't come from the starrried political family, 227 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 8: which is quite unusual for somebody with this level of 228 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 8: power in Japan. Her mother was a cop. She she 229 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 8: came from pretty sort of normal, humble beginnings here, and 230 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 8: I think that's something that has the potential to really, 231 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 8: you know, kind of resonate, particularly with some of those 232 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 8: younger voters. 233 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so. 234 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: Then in terms of other issues facing Japan, Taki she 235 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: has previously said that she would renegotiate Japan's trade deal 236 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: with the United States. 237 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 4: How possible is that? 238 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's one that we're certainly looking out for with 239 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 8: a great interest. So what she was talking about just 240 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 8: last month was that there could be a renegotiation of 241 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 8: the trade deal with the US if the implementation specifically 242 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 8: of this really large investment fund doesn't serve Japan's interest. 243 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 8: So announced was part of the US Japan trade deal 244 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 8: was the idea of a five hundred and fifty billion 245 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 8: dollar investment fund US dollars a billion with a B. 246 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 8: And I think that that's one thing that she seems 247 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 8: to be open to revising. She did say after being 248 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 8: newly elected to lead the ruling party but you know, 249 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 8: it's not going to be immediately revised, but it does 250 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 8: seem to be something that she's certainly taken some great 251 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 8: interest in. 252 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, Jill, Thank you so much for your time 253 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: for being with us today. That is Bloomberg's Asian News 254 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: Desk Managing editor jilld. 255 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: Sis. 256 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: Stay with us. More from Bloomberg daybaqube coming up after this. 257 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: Now to some exclusive Bloomberg reporting on the collapse of 258 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: financial firm Blackbrook. Back in twenty twenty, City Group and 259 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: Goldman Sachs were among the firms stung by a two 260 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: point six billion dollar trade that's now at the heart 261 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 3: of a London lawsuits raising questions about client checks. 262 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 5: Our legal reporter Luca Depparley is with us for more. Luca, 263 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 5: good morning. 264 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: There are lots of stories about banks making losses on 265 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 3: big financial trades. 266 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 5: What's different about this one? 267 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 9: So yeah, I think, particularly Bloomberg and other financial media, 268 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 9: we write a lot about banks or funds losing money. 269 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 9: But the thing that is so remarkable about this one 270 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 9: is who the banks lost money to. There were two 271 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 9: hundred and fifty million dollars of losses sustained in trading 272 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 9: with a company that had no real offices, seemingly only 273 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 9: one real trader, this guy called Jan Ralph, and nets 274 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 9: assets of less than two hundred thousand pounds in the 275 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 9: most brutal terms. The trade that cost all of these 276 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 9: banks this money was lever at about eleven thousand to one. 277 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 9: It's not really like any of the losses banks take 278 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 9: that I've seen or written about before. 279 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 4: Okay, so what do we know then about Yan? 280 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 9: Ralph so Yan started Blackbrook a little less than a 281 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,119 Speaker 9: decade ago. He had a sort of peripatetic career in finance, 282 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 9: going through a few different firms. He does have a 283 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 9: public profile on social media. He's given interviews to newspapers 284 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 9: talking about his love of ferraris, making flights around Asia 285 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 9: on a plane that he owns. There's a little bit 286 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 9: about collecting watches. But people who follow financial markets have 287 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 9: never heard of him and his company. And that's important 288 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 9: because a lot of people would like to think that 289 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 9: pay attention to markets, that if someone's got a two 290 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 9: point six billion dollars short bet on treasuries, you would 291 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 9: have at least heard of them. Despite being almost totally unknown, 292 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 9: Ralph Ralph and his company were able to take on 293 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 9: one of the most lever trades that I think people 294 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 9: have ever heard of. 295 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 3: So why were the banks willing to allow this tiny 296 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: firm to make such a large trade. 297 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 9: So that's a question that I still like to know 298 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 9: the answer to. I'm not sure we totally got to 299 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 9: the answer in our piece. My colleague Donald and I 300 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 9: spoke to a lot of people with knowledge of Ralph 301 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 9: and his trades, but very few of them could even 302 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 9: begin to understand how Blackbrook was even allowed to make 303 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 9: trades like this. The trades were done way back in 304 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 9: twenty twenty. Coronavirus was causing a lot of panic and 305 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 9: financial markets things were moving around a lot, But that 306 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 9: still doesn't really explain why the banks were offering this 307 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 9: tiny firm such a huge amount of leverage, why they 308 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 9: were effectively lending so much money to this firm. For 309 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 9: the banks that lost money, which are big banks like City, Goldman, Wells, Fargo, 310 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 9: you have to wonder how their due diligence enabled Blackbrook 311 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 9: to take these enormous positions. 312 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: So what happens now? Will the banks get any of 313 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: their money back? The money that they lost? 314 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 9: So black Book collapsed, as you can imagine after it 315 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 9: incurred all these losses and the running of the company 316 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 9: was taken over by administrators. The administrators are there effectively 317 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 9: to make sure that creditors can get as much money 318 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 9: as they can back from the collapse. As they became 319 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 9: liquidators and looked into the running of the company by Ralph, 320 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 9: they decided that they would take a suit against him 321 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 9: for wrongful trading in London. They want him to repay 322 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 9: something close to one hundred and eighty million pounds, but 323 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 9: it'll be up to a judge to decide whether whether 324 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 9: he has to stump up that cash. 325 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 326 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: stories making news from London to Wall Streets and beyond. 327 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 328 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 329 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 330 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,119 Speaker 3: the Bloomberg Business app, and Blueburg dot Com. 331 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 332 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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