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Speaker 1: This is Teddy tea Pod with Teddy and Cabin. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this week's Teddy teapod. I am hosting with

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Speaker 1: my bestie Matt. Hi. Matt, Hi, this is very exciting.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. You guys don't understand. I talked to

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Speaker 1: Matt probably more than I speak to anybody else in

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Speaker 1: my entire life. And Edwin is so grateful to Matt,

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Speaker 1: because Matt is my sounding board, he's my therapist, he's

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Speaker 1: all the things. Yes, you're one of the very few

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Speaker 1: people that I actually answer the phone for. I know,

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Speaker 1: but I can hear it in your voice sometimes that

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Speaker 1: you're dreading it. Nobody likes a phone call. Well, people

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Speaker 1: like less than a phone call is a voicemail, like

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Speaker 1: Hey it's me, Hey, it's me, call me back, really,

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Speaker 1: thank you. The worst is when you text someone and

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Speaker 1: they call you oh no, oh no. The actual worst

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Speaker 1: is when you get a text that says, hey, do

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Speaker 1: you have a sec why don't be vague? Oh my gosh. Well,

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Speaker 1: this week we are going to be talking all things hospitals,

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Speaker 1: all things maybe dove. And I wanted to bring you

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Speaker 1: on with me, Matt, because like you always make me

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Speaker 1: laugh and like see the light in every situation. We're

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Speaker 1: going to have Dove surgeon on, We're going to have

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Speaker 1: a nurse, and we're also going to have a mom

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Speaker 1: who was just expecting during COVID nineteen and had to

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Speaker 1: go into labor, and you know, we're gonna hear all

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Speaker 1: her stories. So we have so much to talk about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, um, you know, speaking of like when you

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Speaker 1: we text you, it's I can always tell them there's

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Speaker 1: something going on with you when you don't you know,

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Speaker 1: aren't responsive right away. And that's I remember when that happened,

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Speaker 1: the day that you had found out about and and

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Speaker 1: you were beating whether or not you should, you know,

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Speaker 1: go public with what's going on with Dove. So what

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Speaker 1: was the ultimate light catalyst to me to say, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna talk about it, put it

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Speaker 1: out there. You know, I had so much I had

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Speaker 1: so much anxiety because there's so many unknowns already. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm one of those people that once I

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Speaker 1: go on web MD, it's just a disaster because then

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Speaker 1: I go down all the different hypotheticals. But because this

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Speaker 1: wasn't like something involving me, it was something involving doub

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Speaker 1: I really just wanted to be positive and think positive

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Speaker 1: thoughts and like it was so important to me to

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Speaker 1: have that, And I really just started thinking, like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I want to share this. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I want to share it solely because I

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Speaker 1: want to hear other people's stories or because I want

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Speaker 1: people not to go through the same exact situation that

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Speaker 1: I did, where they weren't prepared or didn't know what

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Speaker 1: to look for, whatever it may be. But it was

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Speaker 1: a combination of the both. Like I think I truly

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Speaker 1: needed the support, Um, I didn't realize that's why I

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Speaker 1: was doing it at first, UM from other families who

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Speaker 1: have gone through this. But also I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be transparent about what's going on because

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Speaker 1: a big part of who I am is someone who

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Speaker 1: wants to be open and authentic with what's going on

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Speaker 1: in my life. And all of a sudden, if there's

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Speaker 1: just a huge shift and all of a sudden I

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Speaker 1: like I was like coming up with some alternate reason why. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I love that, especially you know right now

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Speaker 1: and using your platform to like show other mothers that

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Speaker 1: you are going through this because we kind of look

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Speaker 1: at people who have influential social media accounts and neur

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Speaker 1: On TV and for you to use your platform to

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Speaker 1: showcase something that maybe a lot of people aren't aware

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Speaker 1: of and there are other mothers going out there with

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Speaker 1: it right now, I just think it's a it's it's

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Speaker 1: really good for you to put it out there and

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Speaker 1: talk about it. Thank you, And I honestly, I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited to have after your Rata on because there are

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Speaker 1: so many questions that so many people have asked, like

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Speaker 1: whether they're going through it or not. And I think

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Speaker 1: the craziest part about when you are in a public

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Speaker 1: forum of any type is there's so much that happens

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Speaker 1: if if you go to make a mistake, like if

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Speaker 1: I want all of the you know, information directly from

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Speaker 1: the surgeon explaining it because I want people to have

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Speaker 1: talking about things that are going on. Because we're not doctors.

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Speaker 1: We're just doing the best that we can. I can't

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Speaker 1: even imagine. I've been avoiding saying Chris, whatever it is

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Speaker 1: the doctor tell us how to pronounce it. Well, I think,

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Speaker 1: I know, I think lambdoid cranio synistosis. That being said,

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Speaker 1: I absolutely cannot pronounce Dr Hotter's title. I have tried

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Speaker 1: for the last twenty minutes. I talked to Syria about it.

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Speaker 1: then get grilling away. So you know, Deve surgery is tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: How are you feeling? Are you, you know, feeling good?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I have a lot of nerves. I'm

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Speaker 1: as I possibly can for her. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 1: like little things like she's normally she normally sleeps them

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, don't stress. Well, we talk about dream

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Speaker 1: have on Dove surgeon Dr Erata. He is so incredibly

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Speaker 1: this entire process. When I posted about what's going on

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Speaker 1: to look for timeframes? So I would love to talk

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Speaker 1: little bit about you? Yeah, so I'll give you the

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Speaker 1: the abbreviated version. So I am a cranio facial surgeon

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Speaker 1: as well. And then aside from that, UM, I have

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Speaker 1: USC the Ostro School of the Industry. So UM sort

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Speaker 1: of a geek, if you will, I love that. You

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Speaker 1: for sure? Yeah, And you are going to be doing

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Speaker 1: So UM, I spend most of my time with pediatric neurosurgeants.

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Speaker 1: of your daughter. Well, I am really grateful for that, um.

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Speaker 1: And how would you explain lambdoid cranio synastosis to somebody?

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Speaker 1: So I think the best way to think about this,

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Speaker 1: Teddy is that kids, when they are born UM, their

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Speaker 1: the brain is growing UM and then bonus depot is

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Speaker 1: what we call cranio synostosis. And so that's what Dove

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Speaker 1: When the when it closes prematurely, the brain continues to

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Speaker 1: And does that always happen in utero? We don't know

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Speaker 1: patients that either get hair transplant into scars or sometimes

428
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: they get a tattooed dark if they have darker hair.

429
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: But for the most part it's not visible and nobody

430
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: does anything about. And what if somebody were too opt

431
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: to not have the surgery done, Well, we don't. That's

432
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: a question that we don't have a lot of great

433
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: answers too, And you and I have talked about this before,

434
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: and in order for us to really so, we do

435
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: this operation for two reasons. One reason is we we're

436
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: afraid not to do the operation, meaning we're we're concerned

437
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: that if we don't do the operation, that there's a

438
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: possibility that there could be pressure on the brain and

439
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: that could in turn affect the development of the brain. Now,

440
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: of course, we don't have solid proof of that, because

441
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: for us to have solid proof, we will have to

442
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: have had twins, both of them we know had the

443
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: same level of intelligence um both head synastosis, and then

444
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: operate on one, not operating on the other, and then

445
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: new developmental testing throughout their life. And of course there's

446
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: no parent that would ever consent to that, and not

447
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: only that, but you would have to repeat that same

448
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: thing probably a hundred times for the study to be valid.

449
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: But we do know that when there's pressure on the

450
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: brain due to trauma and other things, that that can

451
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: affect the brain adversely, and so we grappily from that

452
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: and say we probably should release any possible pressure on

453
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: the brain so that development is unhindered. The second reason

454
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: that we do the operation is these kids often will

455
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: look funny or look different if we don't do the operation,

456
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: and that we do know definitely affects their development. Most

457
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: of us have had some experience sometime within in our

458
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: childhood or friends or our peers where there was something

459
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: about them physically that made them stand out and made

460
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: them the focus of some teasing. So we do know

461
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: that if kids, if their heads are not shaped reasonably

462
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: symmetrically UM, that that that can draw attention, unwanted attention.

463
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: And for a parent who maybe their child has been

464
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: diagnosed with UM toward to call us or positional I'm

465
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: going to say the word wrong, but UM. And they're

466
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: curious if there's a chance that it's something else, what

467
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: do you recommend they do? Because I do know that

468
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: that I was told you know, you're actually lucky you

469
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: didn't go right to the doc band because that could

470
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: have done some harm if you had immediately put her

471
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: in the helmet. And because then all of a sudden,

472
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: you know you're doing you're shaping her head in a

473
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: way that couldn't actually be fixed because she needed the surgery.

474
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: So how do people know what to do? Or do

475
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: you ask for a CT scan or no, I don't

476
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: think you asked for a CT scan. I think a

477
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: CT scan has to be ordered with prudence because there's

478
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: radiation involved in Sometimes the kids can't hold still, so

479
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: there's sometime some level of anesthesia for babies that need

480
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: to be administered for kids to to be able to

481
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: undergo a CT scan UM. And I also helmet companies

482
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: are are excellent UM at what they are designed to do,

483
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: which is to help shape the head, but usually under

484
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: the direction of a physician. So my advice would be

485
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: if you're concerned about UM an abnormal shape on your

486
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: child head, that your first stop is going to be

487
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: your pediatrician always UM. Pediatricians are generally fairly adept at

488
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: having seeing different types of shaped heads UM and for

489
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: the most part they can tell which of those require

490
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: or which of those would be amenable to helmet therapy.

491
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: And I think pediatricians, if they're not confident UM, then

492
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: they would refer them to somebody like myself or Dr

493
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: Daniel Poor, who are a cranio facial plastic surgeon or

494
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: a neurosurgeon. Those are the two experts that deal with us.

495
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: And then if you had one piece of advice for

496
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: parents with kids going into surgery, during this time, any

497
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: any type of surgery, what would it be, you know,

498
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's as much advice as it

499
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: is UM. A comment to mothers in particular that UM.

500
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: I often will say to moms, UM that it's it's

501
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: this is nothing that you did, UM. So this happens

502
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: by chance, UM. And I do research having to do

503
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: with the molecular causes of cranious synostosis, which we're learning

504
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: more every year, but still don't have the exact answers.

505
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: I do know that mothers, having taken care of kids

506
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: for for many many years, that mothers can sometimes carry

507
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: guilt around that they don't acknowledge themselves. And I think

508
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: it's important to let them know this is a sporadic entity, UM.

509
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a cup of coffee they had in

510
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: the second trimester or a bump against the bed that

511
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: they had when they were in the first trimester. UM.

512
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: And outside of that, they just need to trust their

513
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: the surgeons that that are taking care of their child.

514
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: And that's the way that I see it. As a surgeon.

515
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: For four to six hours or less, your child is

516
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: going to be in my hands, and that's my responsibility

517
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: and that's uh, that's my job. Well, thank you so much.

518
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: Made me a little emotional saying that, because for a what,

519
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it really we do carry around a

520
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: lot of guilt and we carry we carry because we

521
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: just want what's best for our kids. And I am

522
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: so grateful to you and Dr Daniel porr Um that

523
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: you're going to be working on baby deb and I

524
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: look forward to having a conversation after about how successful

525
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: it was. And thank you for educating my listeners, for

526
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: talking I and for for everything that you're doing. We

527
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: are so grateful. Of course it's my pleasure, and we'll

528
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: see you later this week and we'll have that conversation. Okay,

529
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: thank you, alright, bye. She's in such good hands. I

530
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: know she's in really good hands. She's gonna be just fine.

531
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: And he just told you there's nothing you could have done,

532
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: so you can't be hard on yourself. And I know

533
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm just getting scared. Don't be scared. I know, great,

534
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. You know. The reason I'm I'm

535
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: so grateful to be doing this with you right now

536
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: is like Edwin is so like so calm with all

537
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: of this, and like I am trying so hard, like

538
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm having waves, like you can hear it, like the

539
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: beginning of our conversation. I can laugh and like joke

540
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it like hits me

541
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: something that he says or something that somebody says. There's

542
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: something that I read online. Um, I'm I think I'm

543
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: just so looking forward to this not being an unknown

544
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: anymore and just knowing that she's feeling good and I know,

545
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: I know that it's going to happen. I just I

546
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: know in my heart and I have faith that it's

547
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: going to happen. I just I don't know why. It's

548
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: like these emotions keep creeping it. I think you can

549
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: happy emotions. They're they're natural, and we're in a heightened

550
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: state right now, like it's it's a whole new world

551
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: in general. So you have your emotions and you'll still

552
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: be there to be strong for your baby girl and

553
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: she's gonna be great. And I'll be ignoring your text

554
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: like crazy that day. That's fine for me. All you want,

555
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: you know what you need? You need a dream drink.

556
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're allowed to drink it at

557
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: cedars um. I Uh, let's pull myself together a little

558
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: bit before we bring on our next guest. So let's

559
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: take a little break and we'll come right back. Emily,

560
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining Teddy Teapot. You are

561
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: on with Matt and me, and we are so excited

562
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: to talk all things. Having a baby during the pandemic, so,

563
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: I mean so crazy. I had doub right before, like

564
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: it was the point where people had just started talking

565
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: about it, but like both parents could be there the

566
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: entire time, we could have a couple of visitors. Um,

567
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: but like masks weren't a part of anything yet. So

568
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: we walk us through your experience and when actually did

569
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: you give birth? Um? I delivered on my second so,

570
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: as my doctor to put it, it it was the eye

571
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: of the storm. Um. And it was sort of like

572
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: a weird slow build because things were changing so much,

573
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: like in the month leading into when I delivered, UM

574
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: that initially my husband was going to be allowed to

575
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: come and he could stay the whole time, And then

576
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: right before New York Hospital shut down completely and so

577
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: there was talk like no visitors and I would have

578
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: to do it with myself. That was a little scary. UM.

579
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: But then like the week I delivered, they changed the

580
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: rules and he could stay for both my delivery and postpartum,

581
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: because initially they were going to kick him out after

582
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: I delivered UM. But I couldn't have any visitors. He

583
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: had to stay the entire time. He couldn't come or go.

584
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: So it was definitely And what what was the deal

585
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: with the mask? Did you have to wear your mask

586
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: during delivery? I? Well, yeah, up until I started pushing, UM,

587
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: I had to wear the mask. I couldn't leave the

588
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: the delivery room. So the room like, yeah, I wasn't

589
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: Usually you can like walk the halls and do stuff

590
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: like that. I wasn't allowed to do that. I could

591
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: just do it in the in the room. And we

592
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: had to have masks on. Any time anybody came in,

593
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: we had to put them on if we hadn't taken

594
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: them off. Um. And then it wasn't until I started

595
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: pushing that I could take it off. And mhm wow.

596
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: And so your family couldn't come and nobody was or

597
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: anything like that. Has anybody been able to sense? Yeah,

598
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: So he the pediatrician finally kind of gave him like

599
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: a semi clearance to meet the grandparents at the end

600
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: of June, which is when he got his first grand

601
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: of vaccinations, but up until then, both of our parents

602
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: were first time grandparents, so it was like killing them

603
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: to not be able to meet him and hang out

604
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: and even be there. Like my mom was going to

605
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: come down and stay for months with me, and she

606
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: couldn't do that because they were like not allowing anybody

607
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: to visit him because of everything. And also talking about

608
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: doctor's appointments. I know for us, we've been having to

609
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: go to a lot of doctor's appointments with my daughter

610
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: Dove and only one of us can take her. Is

611
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: that How did it go with your first doctor's appointment?

612
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: Were you able to be there or it was we

613
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: were allowed one person, so my husband took Ham, so

614
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: I didn't get to go um, and that was kind

615
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: of his bunner, but you know, at least one of

616
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: us got to go with him. UM, but yeah, did

617
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: not be there. It's kind of weird to not see

618
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: him go through like his first measurements and kind of

619
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's like things that you want to do

620
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: as a family that we weren't able to get to do.

621
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: Did you FaceTime during it or are you not able

622
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: to know? But my husband is like he takes photos

623
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: of everything. So I was able to kind of get

624
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: like almost like a flip book of photos of how

625
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: it went down, but I was tired to so it

626
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: was Okay, this was your first pregnancy since Yeah, yeah,

627
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, this just proves that women are stronger than

628
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: men for you to go through this, and and it's

629
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: going to be an interesting story when we get to

630
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: the other side of it, for you to tell your

631
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: son later in life. Yeah, if you look like a

632
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: positive thing to look at it like, it'll be a

633
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: story to tell. Oh, I know, and I we're we

634
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: laugh because we're like when he gets the you know,

635
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: world history and u S History and junior high in

636
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: high school. He would have been born during everything. So

637
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: it's it's a strange time for sure, and not when

638
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: I had envisioned, not how I gave like imagine going

639
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: through it all. But and and how are you feeling

640
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: now postpartum? I know that, you know, With with my

641
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: other kids, it was such a different experience, you know.

642
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: Of course I was like home for the first six weeks,

643
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Speaker 1: but then I was like kind of on the go

644
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: with them, and we were doing baby classes and all

645
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: these different things. And with Dove, we've primarily like, unless

646
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: we're going to a doctor's appointment, we're home. So how

647
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: are you feeling. I feel a little cooped up for sure. Um,

648
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: I can't even go to the grocery store without coordinating with,

649
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, my husband to make sure that because I

650
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: can't take him to the store because of all the germs.

651
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: Was if it was just a regular, you know, non

652
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: pandemic time, I could just go and run my errands

653
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: and do things. So it's definitely been a challenge. I

654
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: like to be on the go as it is, so

655
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 1: to be kind of like hunker Darren. Um, I feel lufty.

656
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: I didn't get postpartum or anything like that, but it's

657
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: it's it's a weird feeling to not be able to do,

658
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: like have the freedom to do stuff because you have

659
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: a little baby you're trying to protect. And I think

660
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: that so many of what you just said is so

661
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: many of us are feeling right now, regardless off it's

662
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: a baby, or it's work or whatever it may be.

663
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: We are just in such a place of the unknown

664
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Speaker 1: and what I can remind myself and I'm sure what

665
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: you're thinking as well as like, wow, but the great

666
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: news is that I have a healthy you know, happy

667
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: baby and all these things, and we're trying our best

668
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: to stay positive. But I did a podcast last week

669
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: about somebody's talked about toxic positivity. So just being able

670
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: to share like those ups and downs is really what

671
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: makes us all feel so connected right now. So I

672
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: really appreciate you talking with us and like sharing your story.

673
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: And I think there's so many parents out there that

674
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: are going through this and the unknowns of what happens

675
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: if I give birth in a month from now, or

676
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: what happens if it's in the you know, in the fall,

677
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: or and none of us know. But all we know

678
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: is that we really are all in this together. Yeah, yeah,

679
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean I do feel lucky because I got to

680
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: go to every single doctor's appointment leading up to my delivery.

681
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: I have friends who are pregnant now that they have

682
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: to do and be a zoom, you know, and if

683
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: you know that's true, I have a I have a

684
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: pregnant friend now and she even went in for like

685
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: you know where they have like the fetal medicine doctor,

686
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: the specialist, and like her husband had to wait outside

687
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: in the car. Yeah, that's happening a lot now, and

688
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: I think it's becoming like the new normal, And it's

689
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: it's hard because those are the moments that you really

690
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: want to bond with your significant other and so hey

691
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: like look at the you know, and these are these

692
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: great monumental moments. But I think we start to learn

693
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: that there's other things that you can start to enjoy together.

694
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: Because it's crazy. I am now. I was just as

695
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: I'm curious leading up to like when you were feel

696
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: like you're about to give birth? Is there did they

697
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Speaker 1: test you often for COVID going like to prepare anything

698
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: or no? They never even know? Oh I never. I

699
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: mean they took my temperature when I got to the hospital, Um,

700
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: but they I never had to get like an official

701
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: test or anything. But I had also been quarantine. My

702
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: doctor kind of pulled the plug on me going out

703
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: before the math math lockdown happened. So um, I had

704
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: been kind of homebound, homebound for a while. Even before

705
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: you gave birth. You didn't have to give take the

706
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: COVID test, I think, right, yeah, yeah that was not planned.

707
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: So um that was that was a nice surprise. But yeah,

708
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: so I actually I took my mask off to push

709
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: and then it wasn't he wasn't coming out, so they

710
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: had to wheel me to the o R. So in

711
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: between pushing they had to put I had to put

712
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: my mask back on go to the o R. I

713
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: had to have it on in the ore one night delivered,

714
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: so it was you know, they put the medicine, the

715
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: gas mask on and then they took the mask back. Well,

716
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: you are a strong mama, and we are grateful that

717
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: you shared your story with us. And you wish the

718
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: best to you and your family and to talk to

719
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: you one day again soon. Yeah too. Thank you to me.

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Speaker 1: M Rebecca, thank you so much for joining us. You

721
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: are on with myself and Matt on the Teddy Tea Pod,

722
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: and we first we have to say thank you for

723
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: all the incredible work that you do. UM. Rebecca is

724
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Speaker 1: a surgical nurse who has a really amazing backstory that

725
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm hoping you can share with our listeners. Hey, Teddy,

726
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. Um. This is

727
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: a great platform and I'm excited to be a part

728
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: of it. My backroom story is primarily in the military

729
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: and civilians. I have twenty three years in the operating room,

730
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Speaker 1: UM by your factor D the Air Force, eighteen years

731
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Speaker 1: reserved and I've always been surgery from the trauma side

732
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Speaker 1: to garrow surgery to fine orthopedics, and it's my true love.

733
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Speaker 1: It's been a blessing that I have. Um, the job

734
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: I have and let's going to work every day. And

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Speaker 1: what do you think the overall mental health is of

736
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: people you know, either coming into the hospital or working

737
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: into the hospital right now? Um, we're kind of you know,

738
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: it's as nurses, I think we have a survivor all around.

739
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: We Um, we don't the pandemic the foil he does

740
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Speaker 1: we dealt with infectious diseases. Um. I think the mental

741
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: health has definitely seen a really scary decline. UM. I

742
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: think for all of us, whether you're in the hospital,

743
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: whether whether you're at home along, whether you're at home

744
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: with your family, it's kind of it's a huge awakening

745
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: for as all. So I think it's really the isolation,

746
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: the fear. You know, whenever people say to me, what

747
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: that guy, I'm so scared to have to really pass them.

748
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: What are you afraid of? Right? Are you afraid to

749
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: give out of your house to get the coronavirus? Are

750
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: you afraid to get to come to the hospital we

751
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: give you might contract coronavirus. So I think when people

752
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: really can articulate what their fears are and then they

753
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: can kind of wrap and how we're gonna live with this? Right,

754
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: so probably one two years, who knows, because it's not

755
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: going away, right. I mean, I will say, honestly myself,

756
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: just speaking for personal experience, you know I'm due too.

757
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: I go to the dentist for teeth cleaning, go to

758
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: for my annual physical, and I won't make an appointment

759
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: just because I can barely go to Trader Joe's without

760
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: having a panic attack. So what what do you think?

761
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: What do you feel like? Are you do you feel

762
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: there's not that much risks, say going to the dentist

763
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: if somebody wanted to go get their teeth cleaned. Um,

764
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: I can personally say I've been to the dentist twice.

765
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: I had to get a root canal, and as soon

766
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: as this all happened, I'm going into my mouth hard

767
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: to fit it tomorrow. Probably the safest will ever be,

768
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: or have ever been, going to your primary pair or

769
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: a dentist office. You know, they worked maths, because they

770
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: worked loves, they have space shields, everyone's screened, everyone's everything

771
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: is just disinfected. I would. I think it's very minimal.

772
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: And what about um, you know, I'm going into the

773
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: hospital with my um baby daughter. And I heard you

774
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: say that you worked as a surgical nurse and and neurosurgery.

775
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 1: Do you know what it's kind of like for um,

776
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: somebody in the hospital with their baby right now for

777
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: an extended period of time? Like I don't even I'm

778
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: trying to envision it because it's so different than when

779
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: you give birth. Um, But I know that I'm going

780
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: to be in the I see you with her for

781
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: two days and then I think they move us out

782
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: of the I see you. But like, what am I

783
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: going to be able to, like hold her and comfort

784
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: her and do all those things? Are she gonna be

785
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: pretty hooked up? Mhm? Um, I can't your children specialty

786
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: hospital or is it a I'm going to seaters? Okay?

787
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: So every hospital had different credicals for how long hospital

788
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: you will be screened every day. You'll have to wear

789
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: a mask still publicly, I do a mask? Can you

790
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: go in? And some hospitals have time with it. Some

791
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: hospitals have a number of visitors per day. They're letting

792
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: me stay with her, They're letting me stay with her,

793
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: but Edwin, my husband can't. UM. But I'm just curious,

794
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: like after a surgery like that, and maybe maybe you're

795
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: not sure, but how much we're allowed to be you know,

796
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: I guess like holding them. I I just I that's

797
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: an answer that I don't I don't fully know right now,

798
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: right you should be she's under the age of one

799
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Speaker 1: dreg Yeah, okay, Yeah, I would say, yeah. It just

800
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: really depends. Also, I mean maybe not in the I

801
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Speaker 1: c you immediately after will depend on what monitor she has.

802
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: UM And like I said, just you're gonna be gonna

803
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: be the seven with her. I can establish that. They

804
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: said I could be. My husband can only be there

805
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: during surgery and seeing her when she comes out of surgery,

806
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: and then he has to go and it's one per okay,

807
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: and that I mean that's that's that's pretty liberal. I

808
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: think that's great. I would say, yes, you'll be able

809
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: to hold her, you'll be able to be with her,

810
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: and UM, you know it's don't get overwhelmed with the monitors.

811
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: They can be scary. Just really just keep something to

812
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: distract yourself where it's a book podcast. Um. Yeah, I

813
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: understand you're fear though, but you know, I just took

814
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: my daughter to the hospital last week. UM, I didn't

815
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: have any fear of who are coming in a car

816
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 1: coming in and a coronavirus. Um. It's all very very

817
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: well clean, sanitized, everyone's wearing masks. It's like, this is

818
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: probably the safest time to go anywhere. Okay, Oh well,

819
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I hate to leave this on a somber note, but

820
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of where we are at this moment.

821
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: But thank you so much for sharing your story and

822
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: honestly for all that you do, and if there's any

823
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: like I take a lot of UM, it makes me

824
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: feel good to hear you say that this is the

825
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: safest that you could you could go to the hospital,

826
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: or that you could go to the dentist, or you

827
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: could do those things, because you know, I think it's

828
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: really important for everyone to know that, like, if you're

829
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: in pain, or you're hurting, or something's going on, that

830
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: you can still get treatment right now, you can still

831
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: get help. And we shouldn't be afraid to seek treatment

832
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: or get help, regardless if it's physical or mental or

833
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. That we that you know, we

834
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: we are protected. I think so I think we've been

835
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: so inetuted with the fear and the numbers. You know,

836
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: I always tell people just look locally in your community,

837
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: you know, go onto your county dashboard and it really

838
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: looks at the numbers and what those numbers mean. You know,

839
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: it's going to be a risk for a long time.

840
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: But going out in public, you know, I mean California,

841
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: everyone has to wear a mask, right right. I'm not

842
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: going to go to a big beach party or you know,

843
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: even a huge dinner party. I probably wouldn't go too.

844
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: But I think if you keep your friends close, to

845
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: your family close, go to Trader Joe's, wear a mask,

846
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: use hand sanitizer when you're done. Um, I think those

847
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: are all there. I personally think those are all very

848
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: good decisions. Um. And like I said, you have to

849
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: be happy with their lives right and risk look at

850
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: your local risk. And yeah, it's it's a sad time,

851
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: but I think it be all put in perspective where

852
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: we are and what we need to do and how

853
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Speaker 1: we need to live. And yeah, you know, get out

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