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Speaker 1: You're listening to the third and final part of Unexplained,

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Speaker 1: Season seven, episode twenty three, The Box. After finally making

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Speaker 1: contact with Kevin, Jason agrees to meet with him the

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Speaker 1: next day. Jason tells Kevin about how the Dibbot Box

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Speaker 1: has been affecting his life and what he's done to

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Speaker 1: Box has become somewhat of an Internet sensation, racking up

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Speaker 1: over one hundred and forty thousand hits on its original

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Speaker 1: eBay listing. For his part, Kevin says the last year

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Speaker 1: hadn't been going too well for him either. What hadn't

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Speaker 1: been mentioned in his eBay listing, he says, was that

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Speaker 1: not only had his mother had a stroke the day

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Speaker 1: she touched the box, but on that same day, the

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Speaker 1: FBI had inexplicably carried out a raid on his store.

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Speaker 1: A number of agents and police officers had descended on

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Speaker 1: ADDIE's Market, bizarrely confiscating all electrical items with a memory

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Speaker 1: chip inside. The articles were apparently returned to Kevin a

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Speaker 1: few months later, with no explanation for the raid and

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Speaker 1: no arrests being made. When the landlord got wind of

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Speaker 1: the incident, Kevin was asked to close down the business.

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Speaker 1: He'd been struggling to find work ever since. Thankfully, he says,

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Speaker 1: after he got rid of the box, his mother made

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Speaker 1: a significant recovery from her stroke, but something of the

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Speaker 1: box had remained. Those strange visions and dreams had never

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Speaker 1: The story of the FBI raid sounds completely Fantasticstle, but

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Speaker 1: knows them only too well. That afternoon, Kevin takes Jason

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Speaker 1: but by then the day has got away from them

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Speaker 1: He makes one final request of Kevin that you make

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Speaker 1: the box. Kevin says he'll do his best. The next

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Speaker 1: few months in Jason's family home are mercifully event free.

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Speaker 1: One late September morning, Jason tracks a bad smell in

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Speaker 1: Jason and his children come back from school to find

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Speaker 1: of his bloodshot eyes in the mirror and notices the

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Speaker 1: metallic taste. Or is it blood? He wonders. Either way,

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Speaker 1: Clearly paranormal researcher Steve Mars's appeasement spell, if it had

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Speaker 1: worked at all, is beginning to wear off. Like Kevin

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Speaker 1: Switching on the flashlight, he lights up the makeshift altar

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Speaker 1: Taking the seasot, he creates a square with a circle

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Speaker 1: He then sprinkles basil into the four corners and puts

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Speaker 1: I ask your blessing Goddess, preserve my home and my

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Speaker 1: Grant me wisdom and courage that I may face my

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Speaker 1: fears and my foes with open eyes. The flame of

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Speaker 1: Then he wraps the paper around the sage and lights

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Speaker 1: Kevin's silence since then was becoming more suspicious by the day.

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Speaker 1: After wrapping things up. He just turned to leave when

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Speaker 1: He turned to find a frail, elderly woman standing in

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Speaker 1: Determined to fight back, Havela invited a number of friends

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Speaker 1: Kevin continued to explain to Jason Avaler and her friends,

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Speaker 1: mother's belief that this night had led to every subsequent

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Speaker 1: misery to befall humanity ever since. According to Sophie, the

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Speaker 1: original box had been destroyed during the war. The box

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Speaker 1: Jason isn't quite sure what to think. It's an incredible story,

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Speaker 1: Kevin's own supposedly unsettling experiences, something just doesn't add up

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