Speaker 1: This is the draft report on you, and we we
Speaker 1: condensed this a little bit and basically it goes Tom
Speaker 1: Brady poor build. That might be accurate. I would probably
Speaker 1: agree skinny lacks great physical stature and strength and gets
Speaker 1: knocked down easily. Well, that kind of gets me fired
Speaker 1: up because they can you know, with the head of
Speaker 1: these people know they around the NFL podcast will not
Speaker 1: say super Bowl today. No, we will not, although ironically
Speaker 1: we're talking about the man who won more of those
Speaker 1: than anyone else and the challenge more challenge from the
Speaker 1: Chris Wesling podcast studio. It's around the NFL. I'm Dan
Speaker 1: danzas Greg Rosenthal. That was Mark Sessler who heard there,
Speaker 1: and yes that was you know. Two of the actually
Speaker 1: legends to me anyway of of being a football fan.
Speaker 1: There's Steve Sable, who really of NFL films, who really
Speaker 1: taught a whole generation of fans a better way to
Speaker 1: watch football interviewing. Of course Tom Brady, who on February one,
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty three, one year to the day after
Speaker 1: he made his first retirement announcement, does it again. Here
Speaker 1: is what Brady had to say uh in an Instagram
Speaker 1: message that Jim Gray had nothing to do with Good morning, guys.
Speaker 1: I'll get to the point right away. I'm retiring for good.
Speaker 1: I know the process was a pretty big deal last time,
Speaker 1: so when I woke up this morning, I figured I
Speaker 1: just pressed record. Let you guys know first, so I
Speaker 1: won't be long winded, and you only get one super
Speaker 1: emotional retirement essay, and I used my up last year.
Speaker 1: So really, thank you guys so much to every single
Speaker 1: one of you for supporting me, my family, my friends, teammates,
Speaker 1: my competitors. I could go on forever. There's too many.
Speaker 1: Um thank you guys for allowing me to live my
Speaker 1: absolute dream. I wouldn't change the thing. I love you all.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable Tom Brady seven suits, seven championships and say it
Speaker 1: did though, so I don't know if that's a penalty
Speaker 1: seven championships. But obviously the big storyline coming out of this, Greggy,
Speaker 1: as we go through this again is if you're not
Speaker 1: breaking this on the Let's Go podcast with Jim Gray,
Speaker 1: why does that podcast exist? Now? I throw it to you.
Speaker 1: I hate to admit that's one of the first things
Speaker 1: that crossed my mind. Jim Jim grades matter. Although Jim
Speaker 1: Grade did get some pop on NFL Network as a
Speaker 1: guest on NFL Now, I believe. But no matter what
Speaker 1: Tom Brady uh in the Let's Go podcast, They're they're
Speaker 1: not going to top us. He's coming after us. I
Speaker 1: love the way he did this though with no fanfare.
Speaker 1: You could hear the emotion in his voice after what
Speaker 1: we went through last year, and you said, Dan, you
Speaker 1: wanted to make a promise that we won't so if
Speaker 1: he comes at him again of retirement again, which is
Speaker 1: by the way, not unheard of. These great players waffle
Speaker 1: a lot, I don't think it happens. But we're not
Speaker 1: doing this again last year. We're doing it this year
Speaker 1: because he is the goat. But this is it. He's
Speaker 1: used up his uh right, and we're going to talk
Speaker 1: to Tom Curran. UH, my old my old colleague over
Speaker 1: at Pro Football Talking NBC was now at NBC Sports Boston.
Speaker 1: His chronicle his career, and he he wrote a little
Speaker 1: bit about this. But I did think this was kind
Speaker 1: of the perfect note for a guy who came into
Speaker 1: the league as unknown as possible for a Michigan quarterback
Speaker 1: and then turned into one of the most famous people
Speaker 1: UH in America. And UH, I I enjoyed the simplicity
Speaker 1: of it as a fan, and as a fan, I
Speaker 1: have to admit I'm relieved I didn't want to see
Speaker 1: him play anymore. The the whole reason why I wanted
Speaker 1: the Patriots or thought it was a good move to
Speaker 1: get rid of him back in twenty nineteen was I thought, Man,
Speaker 1: I just think it'd be depressing to ever see him
Speaker 1: have a decline. And then what did he do? He
Speaker 1: went and won a Super Bowl. He I think should
Speaker 1: have won the m v P just one season ago.
Speaker 1: We saw that decline start for for only one season,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad uh for him that that he's moving
Speaker 1: on now. Yeah, I think, like I've obviously at like
Speaker 1: all of us, just been thinking about kind of the
Speaker 1: impact he's had on not just our careers, but long
Speaker 1: before I worked here, Tom Brady was sort of just
Speaker 1: woven into the fabric. Is the heartbeat of so many
Speaker 1: different football seasons. And it's like if you were thirty
Speaker 1: years old. If you're thirty, you don't remember the beginning
Speaker 1: of his career, probably you were too young. If you're
Speaker 1: our age, He's been part of football for ever two
Speaker 1: decades plus, and I just think about the fact that
Speaker 1: now in that message that I love the way he
Speaker 1: delivered that um that we're moving into the face of
Speaker 1: Tom Brady the person beyond Tom Brady the player and
Speaker 1: Tom Brady the player was always someone who I think
Speaker 1: found the found a way. I mean, now we're now
Speaker 1: we're bathed in this historical view of looking back on
Speaker 1: what he did and like that come back against the Falcons,
Speaker 1: we were there in person, to me, signifies who he was.
Speaker 1: That like being down by that much by twenty points
Speaker 1: to him was an opportunity to other people would be
Speaker 1: like we give up, Like he's someone that just never
Speaker 1: gave up. And I think now I just I've thought
Speaker 1: about him more than I think about like George Washington,
Speaker 1: Like he's a historical figure. He's someone that just has
Speaker 1: created part of our culture. And before the two thousand draft,
Speaker 1: you could not get marked the shut up about gw
Speaker 1: And now it's like, is he even was even a president?
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, I think with Brady to like,
Speaker 1: I totally get how he played this um because it
Speaker 1: was so hard to walk away last year. I think
Speaker 1: there were obviously outside pressures perhaps playing a role. We
Speaker 1: know his personal life, the way everything played out on
Speaker 1: such a public way. He got divorced during the season,
Speaker 1: um and at he was coming off a season where
Speaker 1: he was great and like Greg said, he could have
Speaker 1: easily been named m v P. He was a top
Speaker 1: of the leader boarder near the top and every relevant
Speaker 1: statistical category. He comes back, he finishes out the contract
Speaker 1: and he clearly wasn't the same guy this year. And
Speaker 1: he could, yes, he could have absolutely gotten another starting
Speaker 1: job this offseason. We we connected him to the Raiders
Speaker 1: like everyone else. Uh maybe just the most recent show
Speaker 1: we talked about we'reout the Niners now that brock Party
Speaker 1: has a serious elbow injury, and it is like, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of thankful. Um, even as a Jets fan who
Speaker 1: never liked watching Tom Brady dominate, I a will look
Speaker 1: back and be grateful that we were in person for
Speaker 1: this legendary athletes some of his greatest moments and be
Speaker 1: we don't get the sue burst sad season, because this
Speaker 1: past season kind of bordered on that, but it didn't
Speaker 1: quite get there. But you worry that if you the
Speaker 1: sad you know, sitting on the bench, head's head down,
Speaker 1: wearing a Raiders uniform after getting benched we don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about seeing that. I hope not anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it felt like this was the
Speaker 1: season where and even against the Cowboys in those final minutes,
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady was like he probably knew in his
Speaker 1: heart were that was the end. And he's still just
Speaker 1: as out there doing Tom Brady stuff no matter that
Speaker 1: game being totally over. He seemed to have the joy
Speaker 1: stripped from from him this season a little bit. It
Speaker 1: just felt a little different to me. But it's so
Speaker 1: hard to go out as a quarterback gracefully, and he's
Speaker 1: done that, right um Tom Tom pointed out this quote
Speaker 1: he said, back when people thought he was maybe kind
Speaker 1: of nearing the end, that was that season where they
Speaker 1: started out slowly, and he said, when I suck, I'll retire,
Speaker 1: but I don't plan on sucking for a long time.
Speaker 1: And he didn't suck this year. He was like a
Speaker 1: average NFL starting quarterback, but for him, I think that
Speaker 1: was the definition, and that cow his game was pretty
Speaker 1: close To me to that moment, as as a fan
Speaker 1: of Brady, just seeing him in that game was tough.
Speaker 1: But I was, you know, working out a column yesterday
Speaker 1: that will come out during the Super Bowl, just like
Speaker 1: an offseason type of colin what each team needs to do.
Speaker 1: And I flip on NFL Network yesterday and they have
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl against the Rams and I and I
Speaker 1: happened to turn it on right as that final drive
Speaker 1: was starting. Uh, you know, shout out to j R.
Speaker 1: Redmond by the way getting out of battle. Oh. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it. I haven't. I haven't been punished in
Speaker 1: this exercise in years. Here is the punishment whenever. Want
Speaker 1: to know we have yet to make our donation to
Speaker 1: a local Jackson film. Let's say food bank, but it
Speaker 1: could be anything and start the charity. Cause every time
Speaker 1: you say it, it's five bucks added to yours. Let's
Speaker 1: go fifty. I mean what you get? I like Greg
Speaker 1: being punished. Yeah, Saucy, go ahead. So I'm watching that game.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I'm not. I really will do
Speaker 1: it again, Toman in your head. Um, Yeah, that j R.
Speaker 1: Redmond getting out of bounce. This this whole thing might
Speaker 1: not happen. If doesn't happen, Troy Brown route of his life.
Speaker 1: But just the calm Brady had um in that two
Speaker 1: minute drill reminded me a lot of games. This year
Speaker 1: because that year he was not one of the better
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. He was maybe not, he was
Speaker 1: around an average starting quarterback, but when the Chips were
Speaker 1: down in the big moments at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: he was so calm and knew how to manage everything
Speaker 1: around me. And I'm watching this game and it's it's
Speaker 1: summer All announcing it no longer with us. It's John
Speaker 1: Madden telling them not to go for it, saying go
Speaker 1: for overtime. He's no longer with us. The game's not
Speaker 1: in hd UM. Paul tag Leabo, who's not our commissioner,
Speaker 1: is handing the trophy to Robert Kraft, with Myra Kraft
Speaker 1: right next to her. Unfortunately no longer with us. Steve
Speaker 1: Belichick is on the the stage there. He's a kid.
Speaker 1: He's he's a kid. Uh. It's in the months after
Speaker 1: UH September eleven. They're they're they're in New Orleans and
Speaker 1: as someone who who had lived there, I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 1: this is before Hurricane Katrina even happened. Richard Seymour is
Speaker 1: their hugging Brady at the end. He's younger than Brady.
Speaker 1: He was a rookie on that team. He's now like
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, everything about it. It was
Speaker 1: just like a completely different era of our lives and
Speaker 1: of football, and Brady was there for all of it.
Speaker 1: It was my favorite sports fan experience. I lived out
Speaker 1: here in l A. I would watch every game with
Speaker 1: a couple of buddies. One was a big Patriots fan,
Speaker 1: and and being out here watching that game and I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking, like that was just a totally different time.
Speaker 1: And yet at the end of that game, that same,
Speaker 1: like the thing that made him special to go win
Speaker 1: that game was still here at forty six winning these
Speaker 1: Bucks games. He tied his his all time record for
Speaker 1: game winning drives in a season this season with five,
Speaker 1: like that was still there. He's just the He's the
Speaker 1: best in her of all time. Yep. Absolutely, And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: you're mentioning all these people that are no longer with us.
Speaker 1: I mean it was nearly a quarter century ago, and
Speaker 1: that that's how long he played at this highest level.
Speaker 1: Obviously played longer than anyone ever had. That wasn't a kicker. Um,
Speaker 1: he was at the Janet Jackson halftime fiasco. He's been everywhere.
Speaker 1: He was there. You know who wasn't there, George Washington exactly. Hack.
Speaker 1: You know it took no responsibility for any of that.
Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake got him. I was gonna say, George Washington. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. You mentioned Tom Curran. He is um Pat's
Speaker 1: insider for NBC Sports Boston. He's covered the Patriots since
Speaker 1: nineties seven, so he's been there the whole way through
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady. Tom Curran, welcome back to around the NFL.
Speaker 1: How are you, sir? Tremendous? Thanks for having me. How's
Speaker 1: everybody get to see it good? We used to We
Speaker 1: used to work together Tom and I back in the
Speaker 1: day over at NBC. Tom gave me a lot of grief.
Speaker 1: He's like the fun ne this guy now in the
Speaker 1: buzine house, don't you who's your comedian friend. I'm not
Speaker 1: the funniest guy, you know, I said, Well, in the
Speaker 1: sports business, it is h it is a common thing.
Speaker 1: Like our friend Dave Damachek likes to say, everyone thinks
Speaker 1: they're funny, but no one but Tom Kerran with the
Speaker 1: one liners. Um, well, now there's a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on Tom. You say that after the conversation like this,
Speaker 1: just once again a reminder of how funny time is.
Speaker 1: But now Tom has to performs in a way. Mr Curran,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. And uh, you
Speaker 1: know how what was your first reaction when you you
Speaker 1: saw you woke up or he saw the Instagram post
Speaker 1: that he was walking away? First of all, did you
Speaker 1: buy it this time? And and be did it strike
Speaker 1: the right notes for you? It? I did buy it.
Speaker 1: The first reaction was, there goes another day sacrificed at
Speaker 1: the author of Tom Brady years. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: how many times it has happened, whether it's the Wells report,
Speaker 1: you're on your way to the golf course, whether it
Speaker 1: name it. I can from cold times in my life
Speaker 1: when I've been what just happen in two he had
Speaker 1: a car accident right before the opener. Remember that he's
Speaker 1: in the midst of a contract negotiation, and Craft immediately
Speaker 1: ran over to his house and gave him the biggest
Speaker 1: contract in the NFL. That was another one, um, But
Speaker 1: that was my initial reaction, and I really didn't leap
Speaker 1: to see what the announcement was. I'm not an early riser,
Speaker 1: so it was around eight five ago, which is gonna
Speaker 1: be But it did strike in my estimation the right
Speaker 1: notes and the column I wrote guys, was basically that
Speaker 1: this was a spartan announcement that was self aware enough
Speaker 1: for a guy who seemingly has become less and less
Speaker 1: self aware as he's embraced his brand and self promotion
Speaker 1: over the last few years in a way he never
Speaker 1: had before. He kind of seemed to realize that I
Speaker 1: can't make this a brand ploy, I can't make this
Speaker 1: a marketing ploy. I can't be overwrought with this. Let's
Speaker 1: just say it what it is and move on. So
Speaker 1: I thought it was good and struck the right notes
Speaker 1: in my estimation. I loved what you wrote, and I
Speaker 1: think that there were obviously a billion columns being produced
Speaker 1: yesterday about the numbers he compiled and all that jazz.
Speaker 1: But you talked about Tom Brady the man, and after
Speaker 1: that spartan comment, I just want to read something that
Speaker 1: you that you put in your column, he said. You know,
Speaker 1: during that announcement, he was just a guy who looks
Speaker 1: tired and bummed out with a lot in his mind.
Speaker 1: Undoubted understandably, it's complicated. Brady belongs to America, but he
Speaker 1: somehow seems to have become a man without a country,
Speaker 1: Like who is Tom Brady the Man? Going forward. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've been around them more than anyone. Like, what's your
Speaker 1: impression of who he is and who he becomes at
Speaker 1: this point? I think he's Initially he's a very He's
Speaker 1: a very closed guy whose family is extremely important to him,
Speaker 1: and he wants to have an enjoyable experience on the
Speaker 1: earth and do as many things as he possibly can.
Speaker 1: And I think in embracing those things, especially after he
Speaker 1: left the Patriots, he kind of drank heavy from the
Speaker 1: chalice of everything, and now he's realized, Okay, I have
Speaker 1: uh an ex wife in Miami, maybe or maybe not.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if his kids are exactly they're specifically
Speaker 1: or not. I'm guessing they are. Then, he has a
Speaker 1: son in New York and um parents in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: He made his mark here in New England, was here
Speaker 1: for twenty plus years. He probably has property in Tampa,
Speaker 1: so he's everywhere, and his family is scattered. His parents
Speaker 1: were very important approaching there. His kids are into their
Speaker 1: tweens and all of you guys, I don't know how
Speaker 1: old you all respective we are, but the ages of
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty for men can be very challenging
Speaker 1: because so much is changing so fast, and the milestone
Speaker 1: portions of your life have kind of passed, and you're
Speaker 1: trying to find what the hell am I doing now
Speaker 1: with my life. I've finished coaching my kids. Uh, I've
Speaker 1: already gotten married, and looks like I'm just killing time
Speaker 1: until eighty. This is real time. This is hitting pretty
Speaker 1: hard right now. Year old. Yeah, so that's why I'm
Speaker 1: still playing, uh fifty five, I'm still playing men's whoop
Speaker 1: um on seven and one. You've got to find something,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna find something fulfilling because and I think
Speaker 1: that football has filled that void for him, but it's
Speaker 1: not as fun, and we could see it this year.
Speaker 1: I love that, and I did love seeing some of
Speaker 1: the social posts from from players wives like Logan. Ryan's
Speaker 1: wife had a great post on Instagram talking about how
Speaker 1: Brady and her and their two families and their kids
Speaker 1: and his daughter like we're you can't almost make this
Speaker 1: up at like a at a dog shelter every single
Speaker 1: week and there's no cameras, there, there's no people. And
Speaker 1: it's the thing that Brady did because he knows it's
Speaker 1: the thing that his daughter loves most in the world.
Speaker 1: And you just hear all these stories and and I
Speaker 1: thought of that tweet Mina Come said yesterday too, just
Speaker 1: like you don't hear anyone who's had interpersonal relationships with
Speaker 1: Brady ever say a single bad note, which is pretty rare.
Speaker 1: And I do think that Antonio Brown, but even he
Speaker 1: when he tried to like rat him out for like
Speaker 1: look at this guy, and then they showed the text,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, Tom Brady is actually trying to
Speaker 1: help you, man, Um, He's trying to be a big brother.
Speaker 1: So I think I can get lost. It reminds me
Speaker 1: there was that book by who was it? Um? He
Speaker 1: now writes, Yeah, Charlie Pierce, and he had a really
Speaker 1: hard time. He's a great writer making Brady interesting because
Speaker 1: there wasn't really much more to it. But you were
Speaker 1: there at the very beginning. So our listeners might not
Speaker 1: know this time, but you I think we're elevated in
Speaker 1: some way in the Boston sports scene because you were
Speaker 1: so early in on Brady. I could be wrong, and
Speaker 1: tell me if I am. You were. I feel like
Speaker 1: the first one to be in on Brady that you
Speaker 1: said even before he took over for Bled soo, but
Speaker 1: especially after he took over for Bled so that like
Speaker 1: this is the guy, This is going to be the guy.
Speaker 1: They are never going back. You used to call Drew
Speaker 1: Lets the hood ornament. You made fun of Craft for
Speaker 1: signing him to the biggest contract in history after two
Speaker 1: pretty bad years, and you said that was all for
Speaker 1: show and that it's gonna be Brady forever. And at
Speaker 1: the time you were kind of on an island like
Speaker 1: that seemed crazy and it became a bigger conversation through
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl year. I guess Tom built a mansion
Speaker 1: on that island now absolutely like I don't know who
Speaker 1: said it? Who said it? And I said it again,
Speaker 1: We're not just say the words of the big game
Speaker 1: that's gonna be played in a couple of weeks. What
Speaker 1: did you see back then? Tom um that let you
Speaker 1: know this like right off the bat and like like that,
Speaker 1: how did you how did you see that? Like it
Speaker 1: was training camp in two thousand one, he was unremarkable.
Speaker 1: In two thousand he showed up the Patriots where Brian College,
Speaker 1: which is a small college in Rhode Island. That's where
Speaker 1: they worked out, and he walked into the cafeteria in
Speaker 1: two thousand with the backpack on. I'm like, why is
Speaker 1: that tall kid walking in there? And why is he
Speaker 1: here in July? Because he absolutely did not look like
Speaker 1: a football player. By the next summer two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: you could see in virtually every training camp practice Brady
Speaker 1: outperforming bled Cell. This is prior to bled So being injured. Um.
Speaker 1: You can look at the go to NFL Jesus, look
Speaker 1: at the playbooks from those preseason games. You can see
Speaker 1: the numbers Brady performing better than bled So in each
Speaker 1: one of them. So he was outperforming Bledsow consistently, and
Speaker 1: bled Cell actually played the entire first half of the
Speaker 1: fourth preseason game in two thousand and one. They were
Speaker 1: so desperately inept with him on the field. Then they
Speaker 1: go into the season, they lose the Cincinnati, they're horrendous
Speaker 1: in the game that bled So gets hurt against the Jets.
Speaker 1: So my peeing on that territory with Brady was more linked.
Speaker 1: He can't He's not gotten any better. Bled So is
Speaker 1: getting worse. And Brady is actually very accurate and very competent.
Speaker 1: And you talk to more and more people, whether it
Speaker 1: be Lloyd car or is hece college teammates, UM or
Speaker 1: people who had grown up around him, and they said
Speaker 1: he's gonna take over the team. William molloy said he's
Speaker 1: going to take over the team. These were guys who said,
Speaker 1: you know, we believe in what Tom can do. So
Speaker 1: I saw it, but it also was confirmed by many, many,
Speaker 1: many people around him, even in the weeks that he
Speaker 1: was taking over the job. Um, the Brady Patriots of
Speaker 1: it all. Obviously, during retirement number one, a lot was
Speaker 1: made that he didn't mention the pads and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and I know that was a huge story up around
Speaker 1: your parts. Um, Now as we spend forward, like, how
Speaker 1: do you see that relationship? Uh, pat's Brady? Like, is
Speaker 1: there gonna be a one day retirement contract? Or is
Speaker 1: is Brady really the type of guy that that was
Speaker 1: a part of his life. He's moved on and there
Speaker 1: won't be that type of connection post career as a
Speaker 1: Jets fan. That's what he's just hoping for, That's all
Speaker 1: he has. Here's the interesting thing. I think that that
Speaker 1: Brady is extremely attuned to symbolic moves meant to leverage
Speaker 1: his relationship to the betterment of somebody else, And the
Speaker 1: symbolism of signing a one year, one day contract and
Speaker 1: retiring as a Patriot. I think we'll probably go sideways
Speaker 1: up his chimney. The reason being he had a chance
Speaker 1: in he begged you from eighteen into nineteen and when
Speaker 1: you finally sat down and gave him a bogus contract
Speaker 1: that you announced as a extension and he knew and
Speaker 1: you knew that it was just on vapor. And then
Speaker 1: the next year in March, when he gave you one
Speaker 1: last chance in spite of himself to do something, Belichick says,
Speaker 1: we can't do two in each fifth. We can't give
Speaker 1: that contract. He became a free agent. So for the
Speaker 1: Patriots to now say, can you come back and sign
Speaker 1: a contract just so you can No, I'll show up
Speaker 1: for the red jacket ceremony for the Patriots all of fame,
Speaker 1: and I'll be there for whatever parade and the statue unveiling. Well,
Speaker 1: let's not get to the point where you're trying to
Speaker 1: make me sign something that I wanted to sign and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't give to me. Do you think that they
Speaker 1: do you think that they're going to attempt to do
Speaker 1: that though, Tom Or do you think they understand that
Speaker 1: they maybe didn't handle it the way they should have.
Speaker 1: I think that they would probably send out enough feelers
Speaker 1: to understand that that would probably be a bad idea.
Speaker 1: And this is all hypothetical on my part. Guys, I
Speaker 1: don't know this. I've not asked anybody if Tom would
Speaker 1: sign a one day contract. I did speak to people
Speaker 1: close enough to the situation to say, can you just
Speaker 1: put this to Benjaby. Tom's not coming to the back
Speaker 1: of the Patriots right. This was a week or two ago.
Speaker 1: He said he will never play for the Patriots again.
Speaker 1: So could you The relationships are fine. I thought it
Speaker 1: was crazy when people were throwing that out there. I
Speaker 1: was like you, personally, I think he's fine with Bill.
Speaker 1: I think he's fine with Robert Kraft. He went to
Speaker 1: his wedding. But it's the same thing with people who
Speaker 1: you work with who you just couldn't work with anymore.
Speaker 1: If you see him some place for twenty minutes like
Speaker 1: that was, it's great to see you. I want to
Speaker 1: work with him. No, could you see him though? Like
Speaker 1: with Bill Belichi, because I think some of the stuff
Speaker 1: that drives me nuts is this, do Belichick and Brady
Speaker 1: like respect each other? Are their careers not the same?
Speaker 1: Because you know you've got Jimmy Johnson going out on
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick's yacht with him and all that. Could you
Speaker 1: see like the relationship between the two of them turning
Speaker 1: into something where you look back in a different way
Speaker 1: beyond the business of the Patriots, where Brady and Belichick
Speaker 1: are out on that yacht and just enjoying the fact
Speaker 1: that they changed football history together, or is there something
Speaker 1: thorny er there? I could absolutely see that, and I
Speaker 1: could see it in a way that we wouldn't find
Speaker 1: out about it until three weeks after it happened. You might,
Speaker 1: but well I might, But chances are I wouldn't because
Speaker 1: they know that it would go immediately right to telling everybody,
Speaker 1: and they would want to be private about it. But
Speaker 1: I think that they could in the realm of we've
Speaker 1: shared it so much together, we did so much together,
Speaker 1: and we've never had a relationship that is away from football.
Speaker 1: So Belichick changes drastically. I'm sure you can hear from
Speaker 1: any number of former Patriots, whether it's been Willie mc
Speaker 1: guinness or guys who have come through uh NFL media
Speaker 1: who were with the Patriots. Can you know, have testimony
Speaker 1: to how much Bill changes after someone is not their
Speaker 1: employee anymore. And Belichick really did that after that game
Speaker 1: last year at Tampa. Spent twenty five minutes after a
Speaker 1: primetime game in the locker room talking to Brady. So
Speaker 1: the damn Bluses back to Tampa had to wait, which
Speaker 1: is probably big foot in the whole situation. But think
Speaker 1: about that. So, um yeah, I could. I could see it,
Speaker 1: But I just don't think it's gonna be them sitting
Speaker 1: down and throwing de ritos at each other and gambling
Speaker 1: on the couch. I could. I could hear Tom curR
Speaker 1: and on Tom Brady all daylight. I'm curious how how
Speaker 1: your relationship is with time over the years. He was,
Speaker 1: He's pissed at me for what basketball team is that?
Speaker 1: To remember before the Bucks game when the Patriots played
Speaker 1: the Bus. Yes, um, so when they were playing the
Speaker 1: Bucks and Brady was coming back about a week earlier,
Speaker 1: I was doing all kinds of pre Brady stuff. Here's
Speaker 1: the house that he lived in when he was in
Speaker 1: two thousand and here's this, and I was trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, do that reporting. So of course for the
Speaker 1: million of time, I called Mr Brady. So Mr Brady
Speaker 1: is on with me and we're talking, and he said
Speaker 1: something about the Patriots being wrong, and I said, so,
Speaker 1: do you feel vindicated? Mr Brady? And then I said this,
Speaker 1: Tom feel vindicated? He said, damn right, And of course
Speaker 1: it went kind of, you know, viral, because it was
Speaker 1: the first pop off before the game, and Tom just
Speaker 1: expressed to be the email. I didn't appreciate you asking
Speaker 1: my father to speak me. Um. He took advantage of him,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I would never do that to
Speaker 1: the guy. But at this juncture, I think we'd be
Speaker 1: fine if we talked. But he's not been psyched. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing that I understand about it. I can
Speaker 1: have a great relationship with him for twenty five years,
Speaker 1: but at a point if he feels like you're leveraging
Speaker 1: a relationship in a way that he's complicating for him,
Speaker 1: I get it. I do get it. Well, I do hope.
Speaker 1: I do hope you get to the point, Tom, or
Speaker 1: are you in Tom Brady, are thrown deritos at each other?
Speaker 1: Imagine that Tom about the prof at the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame and have him removed. Um, Tom, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for giving us some time. I know you're the
Speaker 1: busiest man in sports media around your parts right now,
Speaker 1: so that is much appreciated. And uh yeah, let us
Speaker 1: know any updates, any emails you get from the goat.
Speaker 1: We'd love to keep you guys posted. It's been quiet since.
Speaker 1: Let me know if he asked about me. If you
Speaker 1: see him, alright, than great. Tom Curran never disappoints. Um,
Speaker 1: good stuff. All right, let's take a break. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back. H Holly Woold something something something Holly Woold,
Speaker 1: where your dreams are made and also crushed. It's a
Speaker 1: tough town. Okay. Um, before we get to some quarterback talk,
Speaker 1: we just talked Tom Brady. This is something I wanted
Speaker 1: to do since really I saw the trailer for eighty
Speaker 1: four Brady for the first time, which, if you're not
Speaker 1: aware of eighty four Brady, be what it is. Our producer,
Speaker 1: Justin Graver, is going to give a very concise summary
Speaker 1: of what the film is about. Grave Digger. Yes, so
Speaker 1: the film, Oh, Justin, what's up? Sorry? I thought if
Speaker 1: you cue me, I don't have to do that. It's
Speaker 1: it's a little complicated, right, Okay. Anyway, the film is
Speaker 1: about four women in their older stages who jarinarians. Is
Speaker 1: that I think the genius octogenarians? The first time I've
Speaker 1: heard that term who really want to see Tom Brady
Speaker 1: play football, so they decide they're going to make a
Speaker 1: road trip to see him play trip against the Falcons
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl fifty one to whichever one that was um,
Speaker 1: which ended up being you said something something again, an
Speaker 1: old grave diggers in a big heap of mess because
Speaker 1: not only his grave digger after he gets dinged he
Speaker 1: says it, he gets thinged if he misses any of
Speaker 1: us saying it and doesn't call it out. So right
Speaker 1: now he's down five bucks, Greg, all the way down
Speaker 1: to fifty. He's up to fifteen in the hole right now.
Speaker 1: Graver acknowledged that this will be one of the first
Speaker 1: episodes in a in a long time that he's actually
Speaker 1: listening to what we're saying while it's happening. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes I two owt you know, I gotta hang on
Speaker 1: every word here, sometimes, says our producer. You know I
Speaker 1: learned from the best Ricky Hollywood taught me. Well, um, anyway,
Speaker 1: nice breakdown. It's a Legends of the screen Rita Moreno,
Speaker 1: Sally Field, Jane Fonda, Lily Tom And I'm asking you, folks,
Speaker 1: how much does this movie make? And its opening weekend?
Speaker 1: Because I think it's kind of a fascinating test here
Speaker 1: in Tinseltown because nobody really knows exactly who the movies for.
Speaker 1: Gregg says it's for his mother and her. Um, I
Speaker 1: guess friends or whatever. So if you're if you're a
Speaker 1: person in New England, um, maybe a woman in New England,
Speaker 1: baby boom, I don't really have a sound draft for that.
Speaker 1: So you have that market cornered obviously, people that are
Speaker 1: born in the maybe early fifties or so, there are
Speaker 1: women that live in that exact region of the country.
Speaker 1: How much money will this film make opening weekend closest
Speaker 1: without going over prices? Right rules, Uh, and we'll figure
Speaker 1: out what the winner gets. Great digger, We're gonna let
Speaker 1: you get in on this as well. Mark you first.
Speaker 1: I will go eleven point eight million. Eleven point eight million, Okay,
Speaker 1: I like that. Can I get some some of the
Speaker 1: Tinseltown music back? Only? Better? Go ahead? Great? Why don't
Speaker 1: you go next? All right? UM? I did do a
Speaker 1: little cursory research. I checked in what is a like
Speaker 1: a football movie? Draft Day came out nine years ago, um,
Speaker 1: and that that pulled in nine point eight million. Now
Speaker 1: you gotta adjust for some that's not a terrible I
Speaker 1: thought it would have been lower for Draft Day. I
Speaker 1: think that this movie will do worse than that Factory
Speaker 1: and Inflict. Yeah, it will make about nine even nine
Speaker 1: even for for Brady. Okay, well, you are accounting for inflation.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna account for the pandemic and the decreasing box
Speaker 1: office very smart, very widely. I'm looking at the last
Speaker 1: weekend's box office. Left behind colon The Rise of Anti
Speaker 1: Christ debuted with two point three million. I feel like
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is um a christ like figure to some,
Speaker 1: so he'll do better than that, but not much better.
Speaker 1: Let's go three million. Potentially way overshot this thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I'm gonna go low. That's an
Speaker 1: absolute bomb. If that's that's that's a that's an all
Speaker 1: times Alright. How about you better? This is better. You
Speaker 1: want something cinematic and big, and I feel like you
Speaker 1: just stepped onto Hollywood Boulevard right. That other one was
Speaker 1: called Hollywood fanfare. But yeah, okay, um, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with four point six million. So you boxed in Greggy, right,
Speaker 1: That's my whole thing was just like that was the
Speaker 1: closest I could get to getting a dollar. Basically, I
Speaker 1: was taking taking low Greggy boxed in a big spot.
Speaker 1: I think I think Grave Digger is the Vegas favorite
Speaker 1: in my mind, but obviously not in your. But you know,
Speaker 1: in most games on the show, the producer loses. We
Speaker 1: got a factor that in as well. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: got to get it between three and four and a half,
Speaker 1: So that's got Dinny's small window. I'm hating what I
Speaker 1: did because the last five times I've been to the
Speaker 1: movie theater, they've been about fifteen people in there. It's
Speaker 1: eighty for Brady uh In. Eight people that go to
Speaker 1: this time say yeah, five of the six feels like
Speaker 1: a nice number. But I was trying to at that
Speaker 1: one dollar thing in Graver ticket for me. But that's
Speaker 1: how the games played. Um, and just to put a
Speaker 1: button on the Tom current conversation, that was great. Could
Speaker 1: have done an hour on that. One of the reasons
Speaker 1: we're not doing an hour on that. This first all
Speaker 1: Tom want to agree to that, I'm sure, but also
Speaker 1: or maybe it would it's a good dude, um, But
Speaker 1: also I know some people are kind of braided out
Speaker 1: at this point. You're trying to do that, especially now
Speaker 1: it's a second retirement. But I think having someone like
Speaker 1: Tom that really you know, it was boots on the
Speaker 1: ground and had a relationship with all the people involved.
Speaker 1: And you know, Greggy, I don't know why I you
Speaker 1: always think that it's not that question about the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Wasn't me like hoping for bitterness between the two sides. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's time to I think he's
Speaker 1: above a one day retirement. I don't think that's something
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. But I would be unfortunate if
Speaker 1: there's a cold war and that's kind of what their
Speaker 1: situation is moving forward. But it was a great question,
Speaker 1: and I know that because it inspired surprising and compelling answer.
Speaker 1: So you did a good a good job. Thank you, Daddy. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's play a game. Let's well, it's not a game.
Speaker 1: Let's help people. Let's head into the old. Imagine like
Speaker 1: a police station. Now we're talking about old Hollywood. Now
Speaker 1: imagine an old police station. You walk up the marble
Speaker 1: steps and you head into the big doors, and here
Speaker 1: you are inside headquarters. And now we head into like
Speaker 1: the meeting room. Dragnet style, Dragnet style. I never saw
Speaker 1: the show, but I think I get the rest. I
Speaker 1: mean it was not on while you were It was
Speaker 1: not a vibrant prime time offering during your lifetime or mine.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. But what we're gonna, undoubtedly by a few years,
Speaker 1: we are going to take a look at the remaining
Speaker 1: or the quarterbacks of note who are in limbo right now.
Speaker 1: We're gonna it's a case file study. And uh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go through the files. We're gonna pull the files
Speaker 1: on these quarterbacks, these mysteries. We're gonna try to kind
Speaker 1: of crack the case on where are these quarterbacks? And
Speaker 1: up Tom Brady, pick up the file, tossing in the garbage.
Speaker 1: Put in the circular file. Put in the circular file.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Garbage can round, garbage can? So
Speaker 1: is that what that is? I never knew what the
Speaker 1: circular file. We're filing that away for good learning so
Speaker 1: much in this episode today. Um, so let's pull the
Speaker 1: file open. What do you gotta pull a name full file? Uh,
Speaker 1: let's let's start with the guy we were just talking
Speaker 1: about in the playoffs, Danny Dimes. You're pulling the Dimes file,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, because this young man I think is in
Speaker 1: line potentially to make more guap than anyone in this
Speaker 1: this filing cabinet outside of perhaps Lamar Jackson, but Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones might be a little more motor waited to get
Speaker 1: that money fast. There are reports in New York people
Speaker 1: are throwing out like that he could make forty million dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that, but I do believe that the
Speaker 1: Giants will believe his market is strong enough that they're
Speaker 1: not letting him go, that they're gonna tag him if
Speaker 1: at all possible, if they can't get a deal done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bus there's uh some there's the information coming right out
Speaker 1: of Giants headquarters that GM Joe, you know, Joe Shane,
Speaker 1: basically said we want him back. They said they've been
Speaker 1: consistent about that. It's hard to imagine that they go
Speaker 1: nowhere at quarterback. They've got nothing when Daniel Jones, I
Speaker 1: think over the course of an evaluation season one over
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, do you think with all this though,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of saying something publicly while also
Speaker 1: examining what the market could be like privately. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know who would be in that market for the Giants.
Speaker 1: It's probably not Lamar Jackson and if it's not Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: where's the upgrade. But Brian Dable has to be feeling
Speaker 1: himself a little bit after making Daniel Jones look that
Speaker 1: good and feel like he could do it with different quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I'm not totally ruling out like a tag in trade
Speaker 1: here or something surprising. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The ownership seems to love Daniel. I find I'm struggling
Speaker 1: to find another team that would do that. This is
Speaker 1: this feels to me like the Giants value Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: higher than anyone else, and I think they see him
Speaker 1: as a talent who was making real progress in the
Speaker 1: first year under Dable, and maybe they can get him
Speaker 1: under a manageable contract while also maybe he takes the
Speaker 1: next step. I think that they won't say it. They're
Speaker 1: not gonna say it, but I think the Giants, some
Speaker 1: of those people in that build are like, we think
Speaker 1: he could be like Josh Allen could be that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there there are similarities to Josh Allen in terms of
Speaker 1: the way the table can use them. But their owner
Speaker 1: absolutely loves Daniel Jones, the person, the guy, everything, and
Speaker 1: that was a big um influence on Eli Manning staying
Speaker 1: there as long as he did was ownership and that
Speaker 1: that could be a factor. But you said who would
Speaker 1: want him? I mean plenty of teams would want him.
Speaker 1: I mean you said that they like him more there.
Speaker 1: I think teams like the Colts, the Texans, the Panthers,
Speaker 1: the Bucks. Speaks. You just never know a lot of
Speaker 1: that speaks the fact that this so called like carousel
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks gets real stale after two or three names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we and here's the thing, we thought that last
Speaker 1: year that there actually wouldn't be that much movement. Remember
Speaker 1: that was the conventional wisdom at the scouting combine that
Speaker 1: late in the off season, well relatively, I mean it's
Speaker 1: still before free agency. And then it ended up going
Speaker 1: crazy and everyone changed teams. And so I guess I
Speaker 1: don't put Daniel Jones aheaded so far ahead of these
Speaker 1: other names that like a surprise couldn't becoming. Some of
Speaker 1: these teams have high draft picks too. I wonder if
Speaker 1: that could get involved, Like the Giants are one team
Speaker 1: and they have a coach, you can develop quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: they could get creative if they wanted. I think we
Speaker 1: got this case figured out. Let's close this case he's
Speaker 1: going back to the Giants. Let me dig back into
Speaker 1: the file here. It's a big it's a big case,
Speaker 1: and it's a tough one because everyone's got their eyes
Speaker 1: on us on this one. Gotta get this one right.
Speaker 1: We gotta kind of close this one. Aaron Rodgers. There's
Speaker 1: so much evidence here pointing to the Jets. There's so
Speaker 1: much they're the culprit here. We're gonna put the collar
Speaker 1: on the Jets on this one. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: eight reasons real quick here, eight and tell me disagree
Speaker 1: wherever you disagree. Are the Jets openly pining for a
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback? Would Rogers be by far the best veteran
Speaker 1: QB on the market? Yes? Is there a connection between Rogers? No?
Speaker 1: I would say if Lamar is somehow available. Now it's
Speaker 1: the answer. If we're viewing Lamar is available and would
Speaker 1: not pull the file if we have to? Okay, Lamar,
Speaker 1: Shir Rodgers and Nathaniel Hackett. Is there a connection there?
Speaker 1: The new offensive coordinator? Correct? Are Robert Saloon Joe Douglas
Speaker 1: entering playoff for goodbye type seasons for the Jets? Correct?
Speaker 1: Would the would Rogers give the Jets huge national pop
Speaker 1: put them back on prime time. Take the headlines from
Speaker 1: the Giants. Oh yeah, has what he made a big
Speaker 1: splash since he came back as the acting owner. Nobody's
Speaker 1: hinted at wanting to do so. Zach Wilson remember him?
Speaker 1: Does he have a relationship with Rogers that's deemed to
Speaker 1: be close? Allowing the Jets to sell it is not
Speaker 1: only getting Aaron Rodgers, but here's a mentor ship for
Speaker 1: our young quarterback. We're not giving up on story. That's
Speaker 1: a yes, But it's like way eight, did Brett Farve
Speaker 1: come to the Jets via trade? Be the same ownership
Speaker 1: and the same teams involved. History is instructive. Chris Wesley
Speaker 1: was known to say, now, is there another team that
Speaker 1: could come in, swoop in and make a big play
Speaker 1: for Rodgers? Absolutely, but I don't think any team is
Speaker 1: a as desperate as the Jets be have the need
Speaker 1: that the Jets have at this level compared to what
Speaker 1: else is going on with their roster. It just would
Speaker 1: surprise me at this point if it doesn't happen. That's
Speaker 1: where I stand. Dragnet, Yeah, you can give them You've
Speaker 1: got the thirteenth overall pick. If you're the Jets. You've
Speaker 1: got other assets you can move. I I don't feel
Speaker 1: as certain as you do, because I think if you're
Speaker 1: a Green Bay you've got to work with Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: on some level. If there's a trade, And I'm not
Speaker 1: convinced that Aaron Rodgers would see it as a match,
Speaker 1: why not? I I just I think the problem and
Speaker 1: you would understand this better than anyone chief that the
Speaker 1: Jets have imm No, the Jets have historical issues that
Speaker 1: I think make them like that override the current bubblingus
Speaker 1: around some of their roster. Positive players think that though
Speaker 1: I know we think about it that way, a tortured
Speaker 1: franchise that is failed. I think that if you're Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: you're very much about your legacy and this is the
Speaker 1: tail end of your career. I mean, he's been wayne
Speaker 1: retirement year after year and it's like staying in Green
Speaker 1: Bay from one more year. Fine, you kind of know
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get there. Potentially, the Jets are an
Speaker 1: absolute raging X factor wildcard landing spot for someone like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I hear what you're saying, but I hear
Speaker 1: what Aaron Rodgers has been saying. In Pat mcavie, and
Speaker 1: I think he went out of his way to complement
Speaker 1: the Jets specifically and their talent that they have. And
Speaker 1: to me, I think he cares more about that who
Speaker 1: the receivers are, and I think he'd be excited about
Speaker 1: the receivers there. The money thing is interesting. The Jets
Speaker 1: would have to cut a lot of players. Uh, you'd
Speaker 1: have to pay him. I think it's sixty million dollars
Speaker 1: this year. There are guys like Lawson there, Braxton Barrios
Speaker 1: if you pop the hood on their on their team,
Speaker 1: even C. J. Moseley if they had to make something
Speaker 1: more portant Whitehead. But those guys are all played like
Speaker 1: eight hundred snaps. I'm just saying, you know, whether they're saying,
Speaker 1: I think, I think where they are as a team,
Speaker 1: they would swallow hard and say we trust Bob Solid
Speaker 1: to keep the defense where it needs to be and
Speaker 1: get this guy to save our offense. I think the
Speaker 1: thing that you have going for you is that Woody
Speaker 1: Johnson has already said like we're ready to swing hard
Speaker 1: for the best possible quarterback. And I don't think that
Speaker 1: someone else will talk about I don't think Woody Johnson
Speaker 1: is thinking Derek Carr and nobody else. And when I
Speaker 1: say this, and as a Jets fan, I'm not saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: we we're gonna nail this one. This is a home run.
Speaker 1: There is a lot of risk that comes built in
Speaker 1: with this because Rogers is kind of a weird guy.
Speaker 1: He raged about big Pharma. Woody Johnson in case you're
Speaker 1: not paying attention, is connected to such a thing. And um,
Speaker 1: in general, you're gonna give up a lot to get them.
Speaker 1: You have to leverage assets, pay him a lot of money,
Speaker 1: make some hard decisions on the rest of the roster.
Speaker 1: It's a chance that wouldn't work. But I think me
Speaker 1: and a lot of other Jets fans have come around
Speaker 1: on the idea of like, but if it did work.
Speaker 1: But if it did, what has this gone wrong? Of course?
Speaker 1: But don't tell me that if the Jets traded for
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, they wouldn't be one of the big high
Speaker 1: bunnies of the season. People would be all in on
Speaker 1: the Jets with that defense and then Aaron Rodgers leading
Speaker 1: the offense. I love it. I hope it happens. I
Speaker 1: think it can happen because of what There's one thing
Speaker 1: that makes me believe it can happen. What about the
Speaker 1: eight others? I gave you one more circumstantial. Now, I
Speaker 1: agree with all of that, and that's why I think
Speaker 1: the Jets would do it. But I'm thinking I'm more
Speaker 1: thinking about why the Packers would do it, Like why
Speaker 1: do the Packers want to do this? And the number
Speaker 1: one reason would be that they genuinely believe in Jordan
Speaker 1: loves development, and I do get the feeling over the
Speaker 1: last year something changed where they believe he improved a
Speaker 1: lot in the last year specifically, and that when they
Speaker 1: saw him on the field that he was a different quarterback,
Speaker 1: and when they saw him in practice and training came,
Speaker 1: he was a different quarterback. Because I don't think any
Speaker 1: of this happens otherwise because they're not trading Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: unless they think they can go win the division with
Speaker 1: Jordan's love. I don't think you're You're also you're also
Speaker 1: the front office that historically traded away Aaron Rodgers hoping
Speaker 1: that fire thing and they feelings, but they made a
Speaker 1: good decision. My piggyback on that is like I think
Speaker 1: they might be just a little over it Rogers at
Speaker 1: this point too. Yeah, like so it feels like maybe
Speaker 1: it's just time and you still have this guy that
Speaker 1: you took in the first round under a rookie contract.
Speaker 1: It's time. Let's see. The case is still open. But
Speaker 1: I think I got that one licked. All right, close
Speaker 1: that file and we're going to open up another one.
Speaker 1: But after this break, all right, welcome back, Mark Sisler. Well,
Speaker 1: I think this is this file, this case that I'm
Speaker 1: about to drop on your table. Here, I'm pulling it.
Speaker 1: I'm opening it. Jimmy G. Now we know something that
Speaker 1: we've we've gotten. You know, when you saw these cases,
Speaker 1: you just go from tavern to tavern, place to place
Speaker 1: looking to find and the missing person where he or
Speaker 1: she might be. And we got held up at the
Speaker 1: tavern for reasons I have nothing to do with the case.
Speaker 1: We're detectives. We learned yesterday that the forty Niners Jimmy
Speaker 1: G's current residing place, Oh, Kyle Shanhon openly saying he
Speaker 1: will not be back with us next year, and right yeah,
Speaker 1: the detectives A will point out he said the exact
Speaker 1: same thing last year. I believe that I believe at
Speaker 1: this time the environment is completely different. This time is
Speaker 1: different It's like I believe this is the way I
Speaker 1: believe Tom Brady's retirement this time around. I think the
Speaker 1: Jimmy G experience in San Francisco UM has run its course,
Speaker 1: and there is uh from our insider, our our bureau insider,
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport has linked Jimmy G to the Raiders and
Speaker 1: that the Tom Brady is out of the atmosphere. The
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels Jimmy garoppolo thing is a possibility, But I
Speaker 1: see one other possibility here too. I mean, a money
Speaker 1: or need or desperation by another team could laura him elsewhere.
Speaker 1: But something's happened down in Houston, the number one city
Speaker 1: in the country, according Detective Greg over Here, Damico Ryan's
Speaker 1: San Francisco's former defensive coordinating It's more the players, my
Speaker 1: sources within you have playing You've got plenty of sources
Speaker 1: and their actual human beings. We know about that that case,
Speaker 1: But I think Damico Ryan's brings suddenly an element where
Speaker 1: you've got a coach that knows Jimmy G for better
Speaker 1: or worse. But I think Jimmy G is really well
Speaker 1: liked obviously, and it's someone that has a chance to
Speaker 1: take Houston somewhere for a year or two. You've got
Speaker 1: nickis Sarrio, New England's old general manager operating the front
Speaker 1: office in Houston. Who is approach Jimmy G guy. And
Speaker 1: you've got a chance to I think still make a
Speaker 1: quarterback pick with that number two pick if you want,
Speaker 1: but not have to not throw that guy into the
Speaker 1: fire as an automatic right away. Has to win on
Speaker 1: a team that's still building. Detective Cecily, you're played by
Speaker 1: your own rules. Sometimes you get the job done. I
Speaker 1: think you've done in here, So I think you're playing
Speaker 1: too fast and lose hit it Graver. I'm open. I'm
Speaker 1: cracking this case open. He's pulling the file for these
Speaker 1: two detectives don't work together. It's not it's good for
Speaker 1: a television program. I'm opening up a different file. It's
Speaker 1: probably the man we'd like to call Jake Brisket. And
Speaker 1: I'd like to slice off a little piece of Jake Brisket.
Speaker 1: And that's a dusty file. No one's even bothered as
Speaker 1: it's been. It's been well traveled, it's been around the NFL.
Speaker 1: But I can say with confidence Jake Briskett played as
Speaker 1: high a level of quarterbacking as Jimmy Garoppolo sic, Jake
Speaker 1: break this is perfect for it, uh, and I think
Speaker 1: he might be a better fit as a sort of
Speaker 1: mentor and guy that you can put with a number
Speaker 1: two overall pick uh in the draft without having a
Speaker 1: guy in Jimmy Garoppolo who's maybe a little tired of
Speaker 1: being in this situation where he's he's mixed and uh,
Speaker 1: he might not have a job, especially when his old
Speaker 1: buddy Josh McDaniels is out there in Las Vegas. I
Speaker 1: always have believed that Jimmy grand career would have been
Speaker 1: much better in New England. I think he fits in
Speaker 1: that offense. He's great at the sort of option routes
Speaker 1: and the things the Patriots offense asked him to do.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was ever as good in Kyle
Speaker 1: Sheanhans often offense as he was h in New England.
Speaker 1: So to me, this is two cases at once. Jake
Speaker 1: Briskett makes sense as as the mentor guy and doesn't
Speaker 1: even start week one if that rookie is ready. But
Speaker 1: Jimmy g makes sense as a true starter that he
Speaker 1: actually gets his own team again in Las Vegas. I
Speaker 1: don't I just don't project Jacoby Bricet necessarily playing to
Speaker 1: last year's surprising levels in a new system either, like
Speaker 1: he he fit perfectly with Stefanski and Stefanski I think
Speaker 1: the Browns made hard, hard trot like hard effort to
Speaker 1: try to resign him because as their backup. He called
Speaker 1: him the best teammate he's ever ever observed, Kevin Steffan.
Speaker 1: He earned like that middle type of contract where it's
Speaker 1: a little better than a backup or it's like extremely
Speaker 1: high level backup money, and I I think is the
Speaker 1: way he played. I mean, Jimmy g can't stay on
Speaker 1: the field. I don't think that would stop the Raiders
Speaker 1: from going for him, but I think it'd be a
Speaker 1: weird thing with him in a number two over outpick.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm crazy. I like Jake Brisket the player. He's
Speaker 1: gonna hang around for a bunch more years, probably, but
Speaker 1: we needed to be this week one starter for another team.
Speaker 1: I guess my question would be, has Jimmy and she
Speaker 1: ever played at a higher level than Jake Briskett played
Speaker 1: last year? At my answer, Jimmy played well this year before.
Speaker 1: But to me they're that they're like similar, they're different
Speaker 1: types of quarterback. The ceiling is very similar. There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are looking at Jimmy G
Speaker 1: other than maybe Josh McDaniels who sees who he was
Speaker 1: in New England, uh, and think like that's that's a
Speaker 1: totally different level quarterback or New England's old general manager
Speaker 1: and a coach that's spent the last number of years
Speaker 1: with Jimmy G. Relationship. We are still waiting for more information.
Speaker 1: In Houston, we don't even know who the offensive coach.
Speaker 1: I gotta pull up the car file this one is.
Speaker 1: Everyone's perplexed by this case, and maybe we put our
Speaker 1: heads together on this one. Um. Now, the the initial
Speaker 1: thought and perhaps still the overriding thought, is that Derek
Speaker 1: Carr is a Jet, um because it does make sense,
Speaker 1: and you could you could connect those dots and I
Speaker 1: would imagine if um, Aaron Rodgers stays in Green Bay
Speaker 1: or something else happens, he goes somewhere else, the Jets
Speaker 1: would try very hard. But I'll throw another team out
Speaker 1: there because I do believe Aaron Rodgers will be a Jet.
Speaker 1: As I said, so where does car go? How about
Speaker 1: the commanders? I think the commander's obviously looking for an
Speaker 1: upgrade um on what they had last year. And I know,
Speaker 1: especially the detective Sessler over there, you're not a Derek
Speaker 1: Carr guy. I don't think I'm not necessarily necessarily saying
Speaker 1: that the Commanders are going to get Derek Carr and
Speaker 1: be like way better. But I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be a better quarterback situation than it's been in recent years.
Speaker 1: And that defense with Car, I think that is a
Speaker 1: team that can contend for the playoffs. They have weapons
Speaker 1: for Car to. They're not sending him into a bad
Speaker 1: situation in that sense either, Um Car to the Commanders
Speaker 1: is uh some evidence that I'm piecing together your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Here's what I like. I'm not a Derek car guy,
Speaker 1: but Ron Rivera specializes in obtaining veteran quarterbacks who I'm
Speaker 1: not into year after year, and like, I think that
Speaker 1: they are looking for something. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: run back the Carson Wentz experience. Oh no. I think
Speaker 1: they kind of did Taylor Heineke dirty at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. And I think he's a free agent.
Speaker 1: I think he wants out of there. Sam Howell is
Speaker 1: like I was a spicy season finale start by him,
Speaker 1: but like that's a project. Taylor Heineke might be, you know,
Speaker 1: a little surprised by how cold his cases on the
Speaker 1: open market. Maybe he shouldn't Lee Washington. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think that somewhere it's a starter, But like he just
Speaker 1: not part of their future. But I think Ron Rivera
Speaker 1: is is coaching for his job, and Derek Carr is
Speaker 1: the There aren't a lot of options out there, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think Jimmy g goes to the Commanders and
Speaker 1: and Derek Carr if the Jets thing goes south or
Speaker 1: if it if it, if it holds up with Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: which you believe I'm not so strong on that. I
Speaker 1: could see Derek Carr winding up with the Commanders. I
Speaker 1: would introduce the Indianapolis Cults is another option, depending on
Speaker 1: who winds up there as a coach, supposedly a reportedly
Speaker 1: according to the Athletic UH they haven't given car permission
Speaker 1: to seek a trade yet. There's reasons for that, and
Speaker 1: I think they make sense. He's not a free agent. Um,
Speaker 1: he signed for three more years and I actually think
Speaker 1: his contract and then Ryan Tannehill, if we're gonna talk him,
Speaker 1: at all our assets like Derek Carr making thirty two
Speaker 1: million dollars this year, and you don't have to give
Speaker 1: him any bonuses like great, Like that's actually on the
Speaker 1: lower end of starting money. Next year it's forty one,
Speaker 1: which is a lot, but you you aren't guarant you
Speaker 1: don't have to guarantee him any money. I think you
Speaker 1: guarantee them like seven of at which is virtually nothing.
Speaker 1: So it's just a look. See, I don't think he
Speaker 1: could be asking for a raise or anything. And it
Speaker 1: makes me think that he's going to get a better
Speaker 1: offer in terms of trade what the Raiders are going
Speaker 1: to get way more than we would expect. If Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz could get two twos and everyone agrees that they overpaid,
Speaker 1: I think Car ultimately will get that much or maybe
Speaker 1: even more. And people are kind of looking at their
Speaker 1: car like they're not that excited. Like sure, but you mentioned, uh,
Speaker 1: the Commanders, I think that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Colts, think that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: How about the Panthers, That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: With with Frank Craig, how about the Bucks? That makes
Speaker 1: How about to say, as I was going through this list,
Speaker 1: even if you take off the teams like the Seahawks
Speaker 1: and the Giants who kind of have guys now and
Speaker 1: are probably keeping them. There are too many teams, not
Speaker 1: enough quarterbacks, and Car is sort of threading that needle
Speaker 1: of a guy who's an upgrade and available. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna end up. He might, it might cost a
Speaker 1: first round pick together. But also who is the bigger
Speaker 1: winner in the Brady retirement because that takes Brady out
Speaker 1: of the cycle, and I like the Probably what happens
Speaker 1: is Aaron Rodgers stays in Green Bay. Probably Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: stays in Baltimore. I'm just saying, you don't, we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't. I didn't um, I didn't close the case,
Speaker 1: but it is something that I feel like I got.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if we if you want to just
Speaker 1: say that these guys stay home, that Derek Carr suddenly
Speaker 1: unless someone has eyes for Jimmy g which is a
Speaker 1: tier down for a little bit below Derek Carr thinking
Speaker 1: certain situations, but Derek har to me, becomes the guy
Speaker 1: that five or six teams are chasing after. Like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: the Saints, they have literally like they can't stick with
Speaker 1: anything they have at quarterback. Feasibly and sell that to
Speaker 1: the fan base like jamis under contract, Andy Dalton is
Speaker 1: a free agent. Jameis Winston starting next year after what
Speaker 1: happened with him and Dennis Allen this year feels absurd
Speaker 1: to me. Um one note on the timing with Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: So the Raiders have a deadline here of February either
Speaker 1: trade car or cut him, and that's connected to a
Speaker 1: forty million dollar guarantee that locks in at that time, So, um,
Speaker 1: you can trade for him. They're not gonna take that
Speaker 1: guaranteed money on I would imagine, um, the Raiders, so
Speaker 1: they'll probably what cut him at that point, right, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not getting cut in any scenario, and
Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty like I think the guaranteed
Speaker 1: money they'd have to give him like seven and a
Speaker 1: half million. Yeah, he was due forty a year from now,
Speaker 1: and you're right, that would be it would be nice
Speaker 1: to do that. But you can also rework all that stuff,
Speaker 1: like you can work with him to kick that down
Speaker 1: the can't like to kick that can down the road.
Speaker 1: I feel like that deadline is started two weeks away
Speaker 1: from that, that Nebulos deadline, But I could see that happening. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, these these are teams that a lot of
Speaker 1: these teams also if they've if they've identified Cars the
Speaker 1: guy they want, and they know there's a hot market
Speaker 1: for him, like they're gonna want to try to lock
Speaker 1: him out and then they could proceed with their offseason
Speaker 1: plan after already happening in back channel by the end
Speaker 1: of this episode, like Stafford and Alex Smith, he seems
Speaker 1: like the guy that should be getting done before that deadline. Anyways,
Speaker 1: you're right, and that's why that puts oh God, because
Speaker 1: as a Jets fan, like if you if Car gets
Speaker 1: traded next week and then you're kind of all in
Speaker 1: on Rogers and if that doesn't work out, now, what
Speaker 1: do we do? Jimmy g Mike White, all right, one
Speaker 1: more Mark Sessler, Detective Cessler. I should say, Lieutenant, congratulations,
Speaker 1: you've been promoted for my work in this on this
Speaker 1: that's unfair, boss, you see, I've been working just as
Speaker 1: hard as said your time will come. I want to
Speaker 1: talk Ryan Tannehill pop the file. I think the Titans,
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel especially understands that Ryan Tannehill is a major asset,
Speaker 1: especially in an area in an off season where if
Speaker 1: you get rid of him, you might be stuck with nothing.
Speaker 1: Just to to reference the Jets situation you just mentioned,
Speaker 1: it's not an easy or a natural target for free
Speaker 1: agent quarterbacks because the cupboard has been bar on offense,
Speaker 1: You've got an aging Derrick Henry, there are issues on
Speaker 1: the offensive, coaching staff, vacancies, all sorts of things. So
Speaker 1: here's the problem. Rabel mentioned that Tannehill's future was sort
Speaker 1: of just up in the air. He gave it a
Speaker 1: non that you have got a new GM coming in.
Speaker 1: You can save twenty seven million with a post June
Speaker 1: one cut. You move on into the abyss and to
Speaker 1: avoid But but it just feels like possibly the Titans
Speaker 1: view the Ryan Tannehill era as ending if they do,
Speaker 1: there is a landing spot out there that I really
Speaker 1: feel strongly about. Talk to me Arthur Smith in the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. Arthur Smith's Ryan Tannehill's old offensive coordinator, and
Speaker 1: you know that's Lieutenant. Yeah. Arthur Smith's the guy that
Speaker 1: like went back to Marcus Mere Riota like a to
Speaker 1: an old love and realized for the second time this
Speaker 1: ain't a match. But Ryan Tannehill and Arthur Smith always
Speaker 1: were a match. They've got the number eight picked. They
Speaker 1: could use it on another weapon, and suddenly that offense
Speaker 1: starts to look pretty spicy. They can run the ball
Speaker 1: really well. You've got a lot happening Drake London at
Speaker 1: wide receiver. The tight end that never fit with Marcus
Speaker 1: Mariota might with Ryan Tannehill. You can start to see something.
Speaker 1: And I think that Arthur Smith is under a little
Speaker 1: bit of pressure where you can't just project or hope
Speaker 1: that Desmond Ritter will solve all your problems. I love that,
Speaker 1: and I love the thinking of him getting traded in general,
Speaker 1: just because what we talked about with these other teams
Speaker 1: which we have, we we don't really have a beat
Speaker 1: on Panthers with Bike Saints with Dennis Allen Bucks with
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles presumably. I mean, they don't have any quarterbacks
Speaker 1: right now. Like the market that will be aggressive trying
Speaker 1: to get Derek Carr. The same would be true for
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. And I don't think his contract is a problem.
Speaker 1: And I look at this Titans file, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of dead bodies in there. Thought of
Speaker 1: dead cap space right now, this uh, this roster is
Speaker 1: a little bit of a mess. They don't have an
Speaker 1: offensive line, they don't have any cap space, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what. I don't see a path logically forward
Speaker 1: for them, And if ever there was a time to
Speaker 1: blow it up, it would be with a new GM.
Speaker 1: And who knows, maybe Derrick Henry's. I mean, we got
Speaker 1: a detective who's been on this Titans case for a
Speaker 1: long time, behind the last two. I wonder what he
Speaker 1: has not been promoted to detective. Not yet. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: still cleaning the bathroom. He's on the he's on the police,
Speaker 1: he's in the seems unfair, yes, cleaning the bathroom. You
Speaker 1: look at it from the Titan side. General manager Ran
Speaker 1: Carthon came in his introductory press conference. They said, do
Speaker 1: you see Tannehill as your starting quarterback next year? And
Speaker 1: he said, I'm still evaluating that. Mike Rabel is going
Speaker 1: to make his decision on that. I'm gonna make my
Speaker 1: decision on that and will come together and form a
Speaker 1: consensus and share thoughts. But I think they could get
Speaker 1: a first for him, and I think they would do it.
Speaker 1: The fact that he didn't commit to him, I mean,
Speaker 1: even just like to say it, just to say it
Speaker 1: the way that Cardinals committed to Josh Rosen before drafting
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. It's interesting. Why not just lie and they
Speaker 1: not create a story? Here are some other players that
Speaker 1: might not be on the Titans, but Dupree, Taylor, Luan
Speaker 1: like this, this could They're a team I'm circling of,
Speaker 1: just like those guys will not be on the Titans
Speaker 1: unless they take a pay cut for sure. Very good.
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