1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: What's up? 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: Its way up with Angela Yee and what a pleasure 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: to be joined by Jimani Williams, the Public Advocate of 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: the City of New York. 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: It's nice to see you here. 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 3: Some blessings. Great to see you. Thank you, thanks for 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 3: having me. 8 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: I have a Jumani Williams. 9 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, proclamation from you, which I still appreciate so 10 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: much for me to this day. Shirley Chisholm is definitely 11 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 2: somebody who's one of my top heroes. 12 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: That's what's up. Yeah, I was in the council. It 13 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: was a shirty Chishlm Awards. Oh yeah, I appreciate that. 14 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: Thank you, and you know, just to see how far 15 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,639 Speaker 2: I mean, you've been going, but just to see how 16 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: much you want to be public advocate again, like in 17 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: a landslide victory. I remember during that time too, you 18 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: were mulling over running for governor. 19 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we ran, we got we got kind of 20 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 3: smacked them on for governor. We ran, but we came second. 21 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: So people people forget that we ran with no money. 22 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: We ran against people had fifteen million and ten million 23 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: we have five hundred thousand. 24 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: People don't understand how much money matters. When it comes 25 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: to an action, because also it's hard to get people 26 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: to donate money too. 27 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: That's a really difficult thing to do. 28 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: And I usually have the ability to campaign more. I mean, 29 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: it's another story. But during that time, a lot of 30 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 3: people prayed for us. But my wife has several with cancer. 31 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: Baby girl was born two months early. She's cancer free. 32 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: Now baby's doing great. That's the most important family first. 33 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: But you know, well, let's talk about everything that's been 34 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: going on, because we see that Donald Trump had a 35 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: rally in Madison Square Garden. 36 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: You know, he is from New York. 37 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: So I'm not claiming him, but he is. 38 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: And people did come out to show support for Donald Trump. 39 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: And again, like early voting has already started last weekend, 40 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: the last day, Election day is on Tuesday, coming up, 41 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: and so I just want to make sure that we 42 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: have real information out there so that we can see 43 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: what's really happening. Like you said, you were New York 44 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: City City Council, but then now you are the public 45 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: advocate of the City of New York. You and Mayor 46 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: Eric Adams, he used to get along really well when 47 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: he was Brooklyn Borough president. 48 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: Right, you had a decent relationship. 49 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: No, I had a good relationship with Eric Alban who's 50 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: ball president, but that's not that Eric Adams is here now, 51 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: so that makes things harder. I will say he has 52 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 3: rolled the train of being the second black elected mayor 53 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: as both as a tool to harm communities as in 54 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: a shield to prevent criticism. But that's off the track 55 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: right now. Like he has gone so far. It is disgraceful, 56 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 3: to be quite honest, And I'm just talking about the 57 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: indictment stuff. I think for the indictments, you know, he 58 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: has a right to be innocent before proven guilty and 59 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: a vigorous defense. But even when you look at what 60 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: we all agree happened at minimum, there is a long 61 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: history of poor judgment, and I think I see some 62 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: of that in his refusal to denounce anything that Trump says, 63 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: Like he can't find anything bad to say that about 64 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, and he has received and accepted all of 65 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: the great things that Donald Trump is saying about him. 66 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: Now for a so called democratic mayor to try to say, look, 67 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: I don't like what we said at a rally, but 68 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: won't say anything about Donald Trump and will receive, you know, 69 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: compliments from Trump, won't mention the name Kamala Harris is disgraceful, 70 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: and so I think if he wanted to be a 71 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: you know, black for Trump Maga Republican, he should have 72 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: stayed as a Republican, which he was. 73 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 2: Now. He hasn't said though that he's supporting Donald Trump, Yes, 74 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: but has he said that he's supporting Kamala Harris. 75 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: He has said that. I believe once he refuses to 76 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: say it again, he won't mention her name. And what 77 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: is just shocking to me is, regardless of any of that, 78 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: you have said more bad things about the Biden Harris 79 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: presidency than you have about Trump. And at minimum, for 80 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: a Democratic mayor who cannot find one thing negative to 81 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: say about Donald Trump, especially after that rally and MSG 82 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: the person who created the atmosphere for all the rhetoric 83 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: that we heard, it's disgraceful for a Democratic mayor of 84 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: a city like New York who can't do that, and 85 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: he should be ashamed. 86 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: And I've seen you very vocal on social media talking 87 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: about Donald Trump's rally and the hateful rhetoric that was 88 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: said there, and those Trumpers will come for you also, right, 89 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: So how has that been for you? Because as a 90 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: person and I will say because I looked at some things. 91 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: I'm always looking to see what people are saying online. 92 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: You know, they refer to you as like a far left, 93 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: and they come at you hard and strong. But you 94 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: know that's part of I know, you know, speaking the 95 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: way that you do, that's what comes with the territory. Unfortunately, 96 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 2: it's not like a helpful conversation. 97 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: Ever. 98 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 3: Well, I hang out on the left. Got no problems 99 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: with that, so you know, I'm not ashamed of that. 100 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 3: I happen to be pretty pragmatic. I call myself a 101 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 3: pragmatic optimist. And what I have to remember and is 102 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: it's for the Trump folks as well. You go back 103 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: to nineteen thirty nine when you had the twenty thousand 104 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: people in Madison Square Garden, Nazi regime speaking. All those 105 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: twenty thousand people were not Nazis or Nazi sympathizing. They 106 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: were people who had real anger, real concern, real fears, 107 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: and unfortunately leaders exploited that. I don't believe all of 108 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: the people who at MSG first, most of them they 109 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: come from New York City. But I don't believe all 110 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: those people are Nazi sympathizers or racists. All those things 111 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: that were said. I believe that there are a lot 112 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: of folks who are angry, who are concerned, who are fearful, 113 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: and both parties have ignored them for a very long time. 114 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: And when that happens, someone like a Donald Trump in 115 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: history can actually exploit that, and it's a dangerous thing. 116 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: When that happens. 117 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: People are and I see this rhetoric that is black 118 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: men that are supporting Donald Trump in huge numbers and 119 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: not coming out and supporting Kamala Harris the way that 120 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: they should. 121 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes I see things and I don't know if it's true. 122 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 2: I see a lot of headlines and I see stories 123 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: that contradict each other. What do you you know from 124 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: your side from the position that you're in as far 125 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: as black men and why they're supporting Donald Trump or 126 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 2: if they really are. 127 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: So, I believe that there are more black men than 128 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: we would have liked it at percentage wise. But I'll 129 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: tell you the vast majority of black men are going 130 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: to do with the vast majority of black women are. 131 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: They're going to both for kama has That is the facts. 132 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 3: There are more than I think normal, and particularly see 133 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: some high profile folks on social media really pushing it. 134 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: I'm concerned that Eric Adams may actually be one of them, 135 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: the way he's really defending the horrible things that Trump 136 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: are doing. But again, I think it is the fact 137 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: that the God's honest truth is Democratic Party has ignored 138 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: a lot of folks. I'm a Democrat. I have a 139 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: problem with the party in the way they've handled things. 140 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 3: I don't think they've done the things that they said 141 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: they were going to do. And I think black folks 142 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: have a right to be angry. Black men have a 143 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: right to be angry. What I do know, though, is 144 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: when you have a choice between someone like Kamala and Walls, 145 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: who you can push, can try to persuade to do 146 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: the right thing, and someone else who's going to say 147 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to use the United States military to crush 148 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: any dissent, that's a hell of a difference. There's no comparison. 149 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I want to say this though. 150 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: You know when we say that, wouldn't you say it's 151 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: not just the Democratic Party that hasn't delivered, But it's 152 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: also because a lot of times you do get stuck, 153 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: right with Congress not allowing things to pass, with a 154 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: lot of times like we're not going to help. As 155 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: far as with immigration laws, We're going to make sure 156 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: that that doesn't go anywhere in Congress. There's a lot 157 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: of things that also just weren't able to happen because 158 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: of the way the system is set up. 159 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: Politics is tricky, the system is difficult to move, particularly 160 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: move a big ship. And I think both parties have 161 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: had problems and focused more on incumbency protection right and 162 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: actually getting what's right for the people, and that has 163 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: been a problem in both parties. But if the Democrat 164 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: Party has not delivered what the things they said, the 165 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: Republican Party absolutely won't like they don't they won't. 166 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: Even say that they attending that that's what they want, right. 167 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: And that's the fact. So I am tired of this. 168 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: You know, we've got to vote this person because this 169 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: person is less evil or something like that, and we 170 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: got we got to stop that. I don't know how 171 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: many times I can do that, but I know right 172 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: now there are clear differences in what one person wants 173 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: my young daughters to be able to do when it 174 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: comes to every protectively retuctive health right. The fact the 175 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: man has said we are going to jail our enemies 176 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 3: with the longest terms we've ever seen. 177 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is right, and we're talking about 178 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: prison reform, and then you have somebody saying. 179 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna this is wild. Yeah, it is very wild. 180 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: But you know what we sometimes forget is that again, 181 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: the folks who are supporting Trump, like not everybody are. 182 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 3: They're not monsters. They're people who are have had their 183 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 3: own trauma and who have been ignored for a very 184 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 3: long time. 185 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: It may be misinformed because they also are listening to 186 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: too many different there's so many things that are like 187 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: they get fact checked. 188 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: This is not you, this is not you. This is 189 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: not true. 190 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: He said, this is not true, but people won't see 191 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: the fact check and asked. 192 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: At some point when you sometimes you're you've been in spot. 193 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: Your anger is actually blinding you. So they're blinded by 194 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 3: their hurt and by the trauma. They're not they're not 195 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: trying to and this is what folks want to do. 196 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: They want to sometimes they just want to put so 197 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 3: much wrong out there that you're even confused if the 198 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: sky is blue like they want, and and there's been 199 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: some success there, I'm hoping what happened in Mstry would 200 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: have backfired in some ways because they went they went 201 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: too far. 202 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: And like, I don't know the guy. I don't know 203 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: the comedian, but he's representing you at your rally. 204 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 3: So and he didn't denounce that. 205 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're not saying that was awful. 206 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: And it wasn't just every acting like one. The one 207 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: joke about Puerto Rico was they. 208 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: Said a lot. They said a lot, they said a lot. 209 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 2: It wasn't even just a comedian, it was a whole lot. 210 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: It was a whole lot of people. 211 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: And that's why they have a mayor who represents the 212 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 3: city who cannot say that the man who created the 213 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 3: atmosphere there's any problems with him. Is concerning to me 214 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: because I understand why, like inciting a writer, I can't 215 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: blame the people who responded. You want to blame the 216 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: leader who incited it. And so you can't just say 217 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: that what happened in Dusty's a problem without talking about 218 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: the man who's actually creating an atmosphere for this to happen. 219 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: Right, And I want to talk about Eric Adams for 220 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: a second now, because he's being investigated. Some people feel 221 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: like the governor has I don't know if the governor 222 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 2: does have the power to remove him from office. But 223 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: Governor Kathy Hoko has not done that. If she does 224 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: or doesn't have the power, you know, I'm not sure, 225 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: But what do you think? And people want him to 226 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: step down, and clearly he's not planning to step down 227 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: at any point. So what do you think is ultimately 228 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: from what you know from the inside, going to happen. 229 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: With this investigation? 230 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: Because I've heard and I saw Donald Trump said this 231 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: su so he got some upgrades and you know, so 232 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: so one I want to be playing upgrades in some rooms. 233 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: I try to be careful why I say, you know, 234 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: I'm actually next to line if something would have happened, 235 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: yes she was, or so I want to you know, 236 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 3: just put that out there. The governor does have the 237 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: ability to remove the mayor. I think right now she's 238 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: probably making the correct decision. I will say, I try 239 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 3: to separate conversations that I think people intentionally try to 240 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 3: bring together. The first is he has a right not 241 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: just to legal defense, but a vigorous defense. Want we 242 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: never want to take that away from anybody. So he 243 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: has not been proven guilty of anything, and that is 244 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: that is up to the federal government to prove the case. 245 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: Separate from that, separate from in criminality. What we agree 246 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: happened shows remarkably poor judgment for a remarkably consistently long time, 247 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: and that is something that voters and residents in New 248 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: York City have a right to ask, why is this 249 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: poor judgment here for this long of a time period. 250 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: And that doesn't need to be intertwined with criminality, But 251 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 3: I think some folks and that may include may want 252 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 3: to mix the two, but we should separate it out. 253 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: It's a criminal and then well, why are you doing 254 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: this stuff in the first place, Like this is stuff 255 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 3: that you just didn't have to do. And there's a 256 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: consistency not just on what that as to talking about, 257 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: but what's been seen to be pervasive throughout an administration 258 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 3: that he put together. The amount of investigations, the amount 259 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: of questions, the amount of concerns. It's not a sustainable 260 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: thing for the city government. So I have not and 261 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 3: I'm still not saying that he should resign, but I 262 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: think he should if he had any kind of humidity 263 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: about this, ask himself what is actually best for the 264 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: City of New York At this point, I'm not sure 265 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: that that's what matters to him, based on the way 266 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: I see him hand on Donald Trump. I think he's 267 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: concerned what's best for Eric Adams, and that is just 268 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 3: a sad place. It has been hard to watch this 269 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 3: happen in real time, particularly with people that I know. 270 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: But I'm at a point where that train of what 271 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 3: he's used as a weapon and a tool, being the 272 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: second black elected official, I think he's marred and disgraced 273 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: the memory of David Dinkins and the gorgeous mosic that 274 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 3: he spoke about. 275 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: Do you think that because he is a blacklack mayor 276 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: and like we said, the second black mayor that this 277 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: city has had, that it has made him more of 278 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:05,479 Speaker 2: a target though. 279 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: Well, so one you can ask yourself if the poor 280 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: judgment that we all agree happened, did it rise to 281 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: the level of federal indictments. That's another question, and that's 282 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: a legitimate question to ask. I would say two things 283 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: can be true at the same time. So one is, 284 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 3: if you are I believe, a black elected official, if 285 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: you're a woman elected official, if you're other than what 286 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: most people normally if man, yes, you will be treated differently. 287 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: That is a fact of life. And you could do 288 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 3: stupid issue at the same time. So both of those 289 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: things can be true all at the same time. Again, 290 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: if someone else had this poor judgment, would they be 291 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 3: treated the same? The answer might be no. I don't 292 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: know the answer, but you didn't need to do this stuff, 293 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: and why are you doing it? Like, we had an 294 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 3: awesome opportunity in New York City to put down an 295 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: infrastructure of public safety that him and I and others 296 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 3: had been discussing for a very long time. Human beings 297 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 3: are complex I have complexities, so I expect those complexities 298 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 3: to show up. I didn't you know. I was hoping 299 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: more of the Eric Adams who was one hundred blacks 300 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 3: and law enforcements show up. But we get almost all 301 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 3: Republican cop Like we should get the complexities of who 302 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: you are, and that's not what I think we've seen 303 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: for the past. Thing. 304 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: You know, like you said, you are next in line 305 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: if something should happen, if he gets removed from if 306 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: he decides to step aside, whatever, right, so you would 307 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: be then mayor. You would be the person that would 308 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: be acting mayor of the city. What are some of 309 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: the things that you would do in that position that's 310 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: not being done now? 311 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: Well, I would be the acting mayor for about eighty 312 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: or ninety days, okay, And at that time period, there's 313 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: really only one job, which is to make sure everyone 314 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: knows that the city's going to continue that three on 315 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: one calls here in New York City, that's what you 316 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: call if you have a complaint. 317 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have to call it. 318 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, we all call. I've called a mom. 319 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: Now on one calls will get picked up. Through one 320 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 3: calls get picked up, sanitation will get picked up. So 321 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: that's really the job for those eighty or ninety days. 322 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: And then I have to call a special election, and 323 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: if I chose to run, then I'll explain what it 324 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: is I want to see happen and what I'd like 325 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: to do. But I've been doing that as public advocate. 326 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: I've been putting what I think this city should be 327 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: pushing toward for as public advocate and as city council. 328 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: And so I've been in city governor now for about 329 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 3: fourteen years. 330 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: Is it weird to think about being on the other 331 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: side too, because you know, obviously city council versus the mayor, 332 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: there's going to be times you agree, but a lot 333 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: of times that you guys have to check each other right, 334 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: And so. 335 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: Being mayor is a hard job. Period, Like I've never 336 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: even when I'm criticized mayor or mayor, I've always said one, 337 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: this is a very difficult job, and so I always 338 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 3: question why people are going after the job that really 339 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: understand the weight of this job. It is a very 340 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: difficult job in a way that nothing else is. Really 341 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: You probably have president and then mayor of New York 342 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: City as the two most difficult jobs. And the balance 343 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: of power that exist as the council and the mayor 344 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: is an important one that has to exist. I or 345 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: have always tried to serve and do things in community 346 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 3: and in conjunction with the folks. So I'm proud as 347 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: Public Aviagate we've passed more bills than the public avacates combined. 348 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: That's only through partnership with the city Council. My record 349 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 3: and legislative as a council member was had a pretty 350 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: high record as well. I think only the speaker had 351 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: more as well. That's only through collaboration. That's that's the 352 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: only way I know how to move, and that's probably 353 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: I'm an organizer, commune organizer by training. 354 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: Now listen, I see you outside for quite some time 355 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: for over a decade now, so that I can't appreciate. 356 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: So the question is, and I've always said, we should 357 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: let people who believe the seat that they're holding is 358 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: not more important than people representing okay, and so I 359 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: try to move that way. I'm not holy now, so 360 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 3: I'm in the game. I'm not gonna act like I 361 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: don't do nothing. But I think my my my track record, 362 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 3: my batting average in trying to make sure I'm focused 363 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: on what people do need most is a pretty good one. 364 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 3: And so I want to I would bring that too, 365 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 3: And I know that the Council is my partners and 366 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: haven't been in there serving there been successful there. I 367 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: think would make things, you know, move a little smoother. 368 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: But that's so many steps down the line, so many 369 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 3: things that have to happen right now. I think really 370 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 3: the message for me is make sure that we thank 371 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: the hundreds of thousands of public sector workers who are 372 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: going to work every day very concerned about what's happening, 373 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: and they're still keeping the city moving, and let them 374 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: know that we thank them and there is a plan 375 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 3: in place for every eventuality well. 376 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: As a New Yorker, I have some questions now Okay, 377 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: so let's just say you do become mayor after all 378 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 2: of this, right, run for up has become mayor, what 379 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: are some things that you think needs to happen, because 380 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 2: there are some things like again immigration, that was a 381 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: number one issue that we've been having in the city. 382 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: So what are some solutions that you. 383 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 3: See there with the immigration. It's interesting, you know, you 384 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 3: have to say that some of what the mayor was saying, 385 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 3: how we said it is two different things. There was 386 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 3: a federal response that we never got and we should 387 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 3: have gotten. There was a response from the state that 388 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: we should have got and never gotten. The city can't 389 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: solve this problem by itself and we shouldn't have had to. 390 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: Right, and they were laws in place where you had 391 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: to house people, you had to make sure they ate. 392 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're called human human things that human beings need exactly, 393 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 3: so they're actually very helpful what has happened. Unfortunately, Mayor 394 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: was a part of this less so now, but definitely 395 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 3: a few years ago of pitting people against each other, 396 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: and so have I understand very much why long term 397 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 3: New Yorkers, particularly black and brown folks, are angry, and 398 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: I want them to stay angry. Actually, be angry that 399 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 3: you didn't get what you were supposed to get. I 400 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 3: just don't want you to fall in trap of blaming 401 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 3: it on people who had nothing to do with that. 402 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 3: And so we found maybe five billions six spend the 403 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: pen a billion dollars to spend on on New new Yorkers. 404 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 3: Anybody like that. Man, we shouldn't spend that. We should 405 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: spend that and that. And I have to say, do 406 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: you know how I know that they they would not 407 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 3: spend that on you because they didn't These migrants weren't 408 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 3: here before the day before the first bus came, there 409 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: were one hundred sixty five thousand long time New Yorkers 410 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 3: in the shelter system who had been there for years. 411 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: So the things that I and others have been pushing 412 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 3: were to help long term New Yorkers. We have been 413 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: saying that we have this money to house long term 414 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: New Yorkers. We have this money to make sure they're 415 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: getting the education, their healthcare that they need. We have 416 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: this money to pay them more to pay for these things. 417 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: So don't let the leaders who blocked us from getting 418 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: that money to you now tell you that the reason 419 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 3: is because they're migrants here. Because it's just not a 420 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 3: true statement. Now, if the problems that existed before they 421 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: were here are made slightly worse because of here, that 422 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: is true. But had we solved those issues, we wouldn't 423 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 3: have those issues. And if we were getting more help 424 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: from these places like the federal government, like the state, 425 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: it also would be helpful. So I just try to 426 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 3: make sure we don't have folks pitting people who have 427 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: very little against people who have none when the people 428 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 3: who make the decisions can actually provide for all of us. 429 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: Now, affordable housing another huge issue here in New York City. 430 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 2: So what are some things And I'm just saying this 431 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: to you because I know you know we don't know law, 432 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: and I know this is something that is also what 433 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: you deal with now, what you've been supporting. 434 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I started out my organizing as a tenant organizing, 435 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: so trying to deal with housing across the across the country. 436 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: When I ran for governor, we were saying we need 437 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 3: one hundred thousand new units of I'm sorry, a million 438 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: new units across the country, and we said half of 439 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: them should be here. So there's a plan to actually 440 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 3: get some of them here. Now, I would say a 441 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: few things one, No housing plan is real unless you 442 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 3: talk about preservation. So we want to talk about preserving 443 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: the units that we have. That includes laws, which is 444 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 3: you know, can't talk about here, but there was a 445 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: law to try to help prevent folks from getting friviously evicted. 446 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 3: May Adams did not support that. We want to make 447 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: sure that rents don't go up as high under Mayor, 448 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 3: this is legitimate. We've had two of the heightsment increases 449 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 3: that we've had in the past twenty years, and so 450 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 3: we can't have policies and laws that are not helping 451 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: with preserving what we have already. Not just a whole 452 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: nother question that need eighty billion dollars. We can have 453 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 3: a whole show on that. Now we also have to 454 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 3: build housing. We have to have new units of housing. Period. 455 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 3: But when I ask three questions to most communities, and 456 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: I'll ask you and anybody who's listening, do you believe 457 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: that housing and homelessness is one of the top issues 458 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: in New York City? Everybody raising do you believe that 459 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: to address that, we need housing at the price point 460 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 3: that people can afford. Everybody raising hand? Who wants to 461 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: live next to a taller building? Right nobody raising right, 462 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 3: and so we often know what we need to do, 463 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 3: we just don't want it around us. 464 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're saying that in my backyard, right. And 465 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: you know what is also too, though, is I guess 466 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: what we're trying to do with a lot of these 467 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 2: office buildings that aren't being used, to try to change 468 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: what the laws are on the permitting that you're allowed 469 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: to make maybe some of that into correct affordable housing. 470 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: So there's definitely things. 471 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: And so I absolutely support that there are units that 472 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 3: people have been using for a while, and the basements 473 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: and the addicts that we need. 474 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: They talking about the small homes in the backyard too, 475 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 2: that you can now, we got to figure. 476 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: Something that out. But we also have to build. And 477 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: so we're only in New York City because we built 478 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: up and built a subway system. And if we looked 479 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: the way we did a hundred years ago, we wouldn't 480 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 3: be here. If the way we do now in one hundred years, 481 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: our children would fail. The way we have to move forward, 482 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: those ask communities, look, let's figure out what community you 483 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 3: want to preserve a part of it. But in exchange 484 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: for that, you have to somewhere tell us where to 485 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: give some density, and that density can't just be all 486 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 3: market and luxury housing. 487 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: It has to be and I think with most new 488 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: buildings that are going up a portion of that does 489 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: have to be that's yeah. 490 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 3: But what they call affordable don't be affordable. So you 491 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: can call whatever something affordable to everybody. We need income 492 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 3: targeted affordable housing for people at the lower echellonce and 493 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: so the city if yes, it's something you might hear about. 494 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 3: I think it's the right framework that are trying to 495 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: push through. There are some definite tweaks that have to 496 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 3: happen now, and city Council is actually doing a very 497 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: good job listening to the community because you don't want 498 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 3: to ignore what the community. 499 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: Definitely can't do that, but. 500 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 3: You also know that if every community says no, that 501 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 3: means yeah. 502 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 2: It's important to educate people too, because a lot of 503 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: times people go about hearsay or maybe they're you know, 504 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: you have to be involved in your community to be 505 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: able to have a say. 506 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: That's why voting is important too. 507 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: It's really important and knowing who you're voting for in 508 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: local elections, not just the president. 509 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 3: But I don't want to oversell it like I don't 510 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 3: like I have a problem with our economic capitalist system. 511 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: I just have a problem with it because I think 512 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 3: it's inequitable. But I don't tell people don't get a 513 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 3: job and make as much money you can. So I 514 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: have a problem with our system of government. But I'm 515 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 3: not gonna tell you not to vote. That's a tool. 516 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 3: I not use a tool that you Okay, I'm not 517 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 3: gonna tell you're gonna save help everything in the world. 518 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: But if you don't use that tool, you're letting somebody 519 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: else use it, and their tool now is going to 520 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 3: be that much stronger because you. 521 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: Didn't use your voice right, and then you're gonna complain 522 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: but you didn't even do nothing. 523 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 3: Do something. 524 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: All right, Well, listen, I know you have to go, 525 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: but I'm hopeful that you'll come back and we'll have 526 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: more conversations because I think it's important. But I appreciate 527 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: all the work that you've been doing. I'm definitely early voting, 528 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: so make sure if you guys have not voted yet, 529 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: you go and do that. 530 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: Tuesday is the last get the ballot. 531 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: You got amendments on the back of that ballot, and 532 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 3: we're telling people vote yes on one and two to six. 533 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna keep on saying this. Make sure that 534 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: you go and look it up online so you know 535 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: before you get there what is on the ballot, so 536 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 2: that when you go there you can just zip right 537 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: through it. 538 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: That's a fact, all right. Jimani Williams, thank you so much. 539 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: We appreciate you.