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Speaker 2: This week on Prime Cuts, Jason timpf on ant can

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Speaker 2: he become the face of the League? Nick right on

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Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff and my top takes of the week.

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Speaker 2: So I've been reading about NBC attacking NBA basketball negotiations

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Speaker 2: and if they took them from TNT, what would they

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Speaker 2: do with the inside the NBA crew. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 2: the inside the NBA crew sometimes is better than the

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Speaker 2: actual games, especially in the regular season. I think it

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Speaker 2: would be a huge mistake to break him up. Now

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Speaker 2: Ernie Johnson, who is the host, the affable host, the

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Speaker 2: beloved host who you know, he just moves the pieces around,

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Speaker 2: he gets out of the way. He is perfect. I

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Speaker 2: do believe you could find another host. You never replace

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Speaker 2: Ernie in terms of just how the players feel about Ernie.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to get a host that the player voted on.

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Speaker 2: You couldn't just insert somebody from another network and say

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Speaker 2: make it work. Ernie has so much respect and admiration

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Speaker 2: from the crew. Now, Barkley obviously drives the number, and

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Speaker 2: Ernie Johnson will be the first to admit that Shack

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Speaker 2: and Charles really have you know, some knights. They're feuding

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Speaker 2: other Knights. They're hysterical laughing at each other. Kenny Smith

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Speaker 2: more of the straight man. But it reminds me a

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Speaker 2: little bit of the Fox broadcasting crew on Sundays, where

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Speaker 2: you know Bradshaw was the funny guy. Howie's this straight man.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson's the coach, and he really is a coach

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Speaker 2: in real life and on the set he kind of

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Speaker 2: runs it all. Then Kurt Man, if he knows when

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Speaker 2: Then you have Strahan Jay Glazer, but there are there's

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Speaker 2: usually a star of a show, a straight man, and

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Speaker 2: Ernie provides hosting capabilities that the respect and the admiration

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Speaker 2: he has from the guys is kind of you won't

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Speaker 2: find another Ernie, but it is led by Charles, and

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Speaker 2: I think when you lose in Ernie, and that's losing something,

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Speaker 2: then you have to take all of them. As great

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Speaker 2: as Charles Barkley is. The chemistry is a big part

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Speaker 2: of this. And in my years of doing radio and TV,

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Speaker 2: one thing that the really good executives of olwa's understood

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Speaker 2: and the average executives overlook is chemistry. I've had multiple

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Speaker 2: shows that chemistry was outstanding. It's hard to explain, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to foster. There's just like you know it, it

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Speaker 2: just works. Maybe there's a mutual respect, you have something

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Speaker 2: in common, somebody finishes your sentences. But if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: TNT and your NBC, and you're going to bring that

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Speaker 2: crew over if they did in fact win the rights,

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Speaker 2: you've got to lean on that crew and they've got

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Speaker 2: to make that higher. They've they've got to have run

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Speaker 2: through after run through because the idea you can just

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Speaker 2: insert an NBC guy in to that and it's gonna work.

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Speaker 2: That would be an executive that doesn't understand fit. And

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of times, you know the Fox

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Speaker 2: crew or the inside the NBA crew, it's hard. Chemistry

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Speaker 2: point stephen A went public and said, yet this just

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Speaker 2: doesn't work. Skipping Shannon worked for a while, then it

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Speaker 2: didn't work. Mike and the band Dog in New York.

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Speaker 2: I listened to them for years. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: feel it. It was like you're driving in the car

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Speaker 2: and I just I think. My overall point on this

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Speaker 2: but it works because of chemistry. It's terrific. They all

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Speaker 2: like each other, they all respect each other. And it's

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Speaker 2: Offense goes here, defense goes there. Baseball, you know, during

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Speaker 2: good job. It is to me. During the regular season,

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Speaker 2: I generally like the show more than the games. Now,

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Speaker 2: once the playoffs start, I'm into the games. But I

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Speaker 2: NBA is different. It's a long regular season. Even the players.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of apathy inside. The NBA, in my lifetime,

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Speaker 2: is very unique. We're all stick around for that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I can think Fox does a great job at NBC

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Speaker 2: watching the games. That's that's not the case inside the

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Speaker 2: when sometimes I'm not sure the players even care. All right,

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Speaker 2: NBA playoffs in full swing. Jason Timp, host of Hoops Tonight,

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Speaker 2: is joining us. If you look Jason that the face

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Speaker 2: really is a giver. He's never a taker. You almost

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Speaker 2: He looks like to me, he loves being an All star,

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Speaker 2: making good money and winning games. He doesn't have any

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Speaker 2: real agenda to be the face of the league. Jokic

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Speaker 2: mostly European guys are not interested. So like it's open

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Speaker 2: for Ann Wenby's not there yet, Jokic isn't interested. You know,

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Speaker 2: Giannis has never really moved the needle in terms of

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Speaker 2: like ratings and beads. Not healthy. So as I'm watching

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Speaker 2: him first half, he was insane, and then and then

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Speaker 2: he was very quiet in the third. But as I'm

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Speaker 2: watching him, I'm like, you know, Jordan had these dead quarters.

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Speaker 2: Like Lebron's always hoping his teammates get the game going,

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Speaker 2: I watched Aunt and I'm like, don't be too critical

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Speaker 2: But my take was my take was kind of like,

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Speaker 2: it's there for the taking. It feels like Denver's not

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Speaker 2: This may be the moment. All these great stars have moments.

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Speaker 2: It took Jordan years and years. The difference is Jordan

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Speaker 2: Denver hasn't risen that. So as good as the is Jason,

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Speaker 2: it feels like this is the moment to seize it.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely there for the taking. Again, I still think

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Speaker 3: Denver is going to win this series. I certainly think

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Speaker 3: it's way too early to just to bail on them entirely.

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Speaker 3: An important element to that game too, as they spotted

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Speaker 3: Minnesota in eighteen to four. Lead and Michael Molow talked

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Speaker 3: they are easing their way into the series in a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: Also generally just a little brief story, like, I play

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Speaker 3: work out with them, And there's always like an adjustment

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Speaker 3: for me going from lower level competition to higher level competition.

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Speaker 3: And there's no doubt that Minnesota is a much higher

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Speaker 3: need to be more accurate. I can't be as sloppy

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Speaker 3: Like all these there's gonna be an adjustment period for

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Speaker 3: it's there's still so much room for him to improve

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Speaker 3: because that quiet third quarter ain't got tired. You could

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Speaker 3: tell Ant got tired in that game. Yes, So there's

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Speaker 3: gonna be an energy management piece that he figures out.

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Speaker 3: I got in trouble with Celtics fans for comparing the

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Speaker 3: this is a real thing here. This is who's the

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Speaker 3: next great American player? Because there is something to be

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Speaker 3: from a marketability standpoint, right sure, Like there's a reason

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Speaker 3: Jason Tatum has, he just doesn't quite have the personality

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Speaker 3: not even there. And then it's not to say that

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Speaker 3: Jason Tatum hasn't had big dunks in his career because

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Speaker 3: he's got great size, but his first step is not

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Speaker 3: he faces a really good defender in a late game situation,

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Speaker 3: he can struggle to get to his spots. Sometimes. Aunt

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Speaker 3: been he's been better at reading the floor. He was

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Speaker 3: the banked in three that was a kickout from Ant

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Speaker 3: second piece of it is that jump shooting piece. He

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Speaker 3: it's like this is going to go in a majority

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Speaker 2: All right, Caitlin Clark topic, So, and this is just

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Speaker 2: Even if she struggles, she'll get other people involved. Then

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Speaker 2: in college you can get some real cheap baskets men's

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Speaker 2: but I have no nothing to judge it on. I mean,

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Speaker 3: So I actually view the college game as more challenging

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Speaker 3: One of the things that's interesting to me about college

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Speaker 2: Gr for Debt was a very small player by NBA standard.

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Speaker 3: But like, as I was watching, like she can get

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Speaker 2: You live in Arizona, and we've talked about this is

434
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 2: that you can get more for Booker. But remember Phoenix

435
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: was not good pre Chris Paul, so he's not a

436
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: leader guy and he can't carry a franchise, and then

437
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: you disappointed this year with Durant and Beale around Booker.

438
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: Booker's your classic, you know, cat shoot. I don't think

439
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 2: he's a great athlete. He's just a he's a dependable

440
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 2: twenty five twenty six a night. He can be really

441
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 2: streaky and get into the thirty five for long stretches,

442
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 2: like he's a crazy streak shooter. But I think you

443
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 2: make the mistake if you like in Orlando, if Orlando

444
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 2: made a move Boncaro's you're one to me, it feels

445
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: like and Booker comes in is a really good two.

446
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: But I want another score with the forward, you know,

447
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 2: another some size, some length. So like if you're Phoenix

448
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,479
Speaker 2: now Biale and Kevin Durant, well, if you get rid

449
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: of Booker, I got to get some young players over here,

450
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: because those guys are going to miss some spots, although

451
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: Durant played a ton this year. So my take is,

452
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: your Phoenix, you can bring it all back, but there

453
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 2: are issues. You don't have a classic point guard, you

454
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 2: don't have much of a bench, so those are real issues.

455
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 2: You can keep bringing stuff back, but it's like at

456
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: some point you have holes. Right, we see like Milwaukee,

457
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: you can bring it all back, and they may have

458
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 2: to because they don't have they don't have a lot

459
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 2: of assets, and this is an old roster. They're all

460
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: locked up. I don't think that many people want I

461
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: think Dame, you could move and you honest, but they

462
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 2: don't want to move those two. So my takeaway is

463
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 2: you watch a lot of Suns basketball, who would you move?

464
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: Where would you move them? Because it feels like to me,

465
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: people are gonna make They're going to get more phone

466
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: calls than any team in the league because there's a

467
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: lot of New York Knicks in Orlando's out there looking

468
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Speaker 2: at Phoenix thinking.

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Speaker 1: It ended poorly.

470
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Speaker 2: You know, they they want to get out of stuff.

471
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: They don't want to say it publicly. Phoenix is saying, hey,

472
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: we're bringing the band back together, but it's a flawed team.

473
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: Vocal likes bigs.

474
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Speaker 1: They don't.

475
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Speaker 2: It's not built for him. What would you do.

476
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Speaker 3: You have to say that to You can't be like, yeah,

477
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: oh yeah, fire sale this summer, you come and get them.

478
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Speaker 3: But like the as far as far as I'm concerned,

479
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 3: so much of this comes down to how you viewed Booker,

480
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 3: and a lot of Suns fans view him as like

481
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 3: a bona fide franchise cornerstone. And the point, the thing

482
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: they point to there is the twenty twenty one season.

483
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: But it's like, Okay, hold on a second, let's let's

484
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: filter through that. The conference finalists out West was a

485
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 3: team led by Paul George. Okay, without without Kawhi Leonard

486
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: and uh Trey Young made the conference finals out East,

487
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 3: like it was they won. The Bucks won that series

488
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: with Gianni said in a hyper extended knee over the

489
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: last couple of games. So like, really that was the

490
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: weird COVID season where all the good teams got hurt.

491
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: All the good teams got hurt, The Lakers got hurt,

492
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 3: the Nuggets got hurt, the mime he got hurt, Like

493
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 3: everyone was hurt yep in that season. So like it

494
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: was kind of this gap year, totally legitimate championship for

495
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 3: the Bucks, but like the Suns, getting to the finals,

496
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Speaker 3: I think got them to believe in Devin Booker as

497
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: this like franchise cornerstone. I look at Devin Booker more

498
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 3: as like the Kyrie Irving type of archetype. If I

499
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 3: could put him next to a real a franchise player

500
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 3: and he can just focus on being a late game

501
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 3: shot maker, slash guy that can spell your star for

502
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 3: stretches and run the offense. That's the kind of fit

503
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: that I like. And so when I look at the

504
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 3: Sun situation, Bradley Beal, I think is a really good player,

505
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 3: but his trade value is low because he's older, injury prone,

506
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 3: and on a long term deal that pays him a

507
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 3: shit ton of money. Right, Kevin Durant, really good player,

508
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 3: but old and just in a situation where like he

509
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: doesn't have as much value around the league. Devin Booker

510
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 3: is a guy that you can trade and get a

511
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 3: haul and so all yeah, And so what I was

512
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: pitching is like, embrace, like have the self awareness to

513
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: embrace the fact that Devin Booker's not going to be

514
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 3: your franchise cornerstone and then be like Okay, well, how

515
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 3: do we turn this situation into something more fun? I

516
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: would call Orlando and I'd be like, Hey, you got

517
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: dev you got Palo Bancaro, but you just lost a

518
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: series to the Calves because nobody can create a shot

519
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 3: other than Palo, and no one can make jumpers. So

520
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: like you need somebody that can come in and just

521
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 3: be like a skill guard next to Palamonkaro. And so

522
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: if I would call them and I'd be like, I

523
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 3: want Jalen Suggs, I want Jonathan Isaac, and I want

524
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: Wendell Carter Junior.

525
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 2: That's a lot.

526
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 4: That is a haul.

527
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: Those are three really good.

528
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: Hey, Jus was viewed as a bust six months ago.

529
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: Exactly into Suggs's credit, He's turned himself into one of

530
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: the best permitter defenders in the league and a good

531
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: three point shooter, right, Like, he's a very valuable archetype.

532
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: So now if I'm the Suns, I'm looking at it.

533
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 3: And by the way, you might be able to even

534
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: coax Orlando and to throwing you a draft pick or

535
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 3: two in that deal, who knows, depending on how that

536
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: conversation would go. But then I look at it and

537
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, Now I've got I've got Jalen Suggs,

538
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: an elite point of attack defender, something Phoenix did not

539
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: have last year. I've got Bradley Beal Steele is still

540
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 3: a high powered number two. I've got Kevin Durant Jonathan Isaac,

541
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: two really rangy long wings that can do a lot defensively.

542
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: And I'm going from Yusuf Nurkic an old, a slow

543
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 3: footed big center, to Wendell Carter Junior, who is a big, strong,

544
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: athletic young center who can shoot the three ball. And

545
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 3: so it kind of creates like a more fun Phoenix

546
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 3: Suns team. And it's just an acknowledgment of the reality

547
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: that you weren't going to be able to rebuild around

548
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: Booker and then go into these series with him as

549
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: the best player, because like, if you go into a

550
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: series Devin Booker is your best player, or into a

551
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: playoff run, you're going to run into a lot of

552
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 3: teams that are better players than Devin Booker. You just are.

553
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: And so that's that problem is not going away. And

554
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: if I'm Orlando, I'm looking at it like follow is

555
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: a franchise cornerstone. But clearly, this clearly this build where

556
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 3: it's like we're big and strong and athletic, but nobody

557
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: can shoot.

558
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: No one can dribble, no one can they can't shoot.

559
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: That's not working either, And so I look at that

560
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: as like, we'll figure out the rest later. Give me

561
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: Devin Booker at age twenty seven. Yeah, next to next

562
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: to my young star who just averaged twenty seven points

563
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 3: per game in a seven game series against an elite

564
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: defense when no one else on his team could make

565
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: anything and he had to do everything. It was a

566
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 3: really impressive series from Pallad. He's got a lot of that,

567
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: like physical imposition on the game that is super valuable.

568
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: We bring in my buddy Nick, right, we chop it

569
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: up on a variety of topics. I mus as well

570
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: start with a very serious topic, which is near and

571
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: dear to me.

572
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: How do you feel about this, that this is what

573
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: you're going to be known for, honest to god, how

574
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: do you feel about it? I mean, it's now gotten

575
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: to you know Lebron and shout out, Well, I'll let

576
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: you set it up at your podcast. You set it up,

577
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: but go ahead.

578
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 2: Well Lebron reacted to it, and JJ Reddick reacted to it.

579
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: So This started years ago. I think it was Tony Romo.

580
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: I was at the other place, ESPN, and Tony Romo

581
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: was doing something at the podium. And it's always been

582
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: about the weekly Wednesday podium. When you're a franchise quarterback,

583
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're any other position. I don't

584
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: care about offseason. I care about the quarterback face of

585
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: the franchise on a Wednesday podium, looking like you know,

586
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: you're the face of the franchise because you are the

587
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: coach on the field and the highest paid player usually.

588
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: And so I said something about it. And Steve Spurrier

589
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: was the college coach at South Carolina, and in his

590
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: weekly media session he literally said, in his southern voice,

591
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: Now I was listening to a radio host, Colin Coward,

592
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: say something here, Dan. I really agreed with him, and

593
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: you know, he went on about it. He said, I

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Speaker 2: kind of liked it, and I kind of agreed with it,

595
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: and so I thought, see, I'm not that crazy. That's

596
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: not a bad idea. So and I did it a

597
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: couple more times. Now it's gotten a life of its own,

598
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: and I think most people now, well, I shouldn't say that.

599
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: I think a big chunk of people sort of get

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Speaker 2: I'm being theatrical and my outrage is somewhat manufactured.

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Speaker 1: I don't, but but it comes from a real opinion. Yeah, yeah,

602
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: you have, you have. The further along it's gone, the more,

603
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say ridiculous, but you you, it's

604
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: become a thing I'm totally here for. But the and

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00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: we we've talked with this once before, and I'm going

606
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: to reiterate the point and actually tie it back to

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Speaker 1: today's thing, which is, even if people vehement disagree with

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Speaker 1: you on the specifics of backwards hat for forwards hat, everyone,

609
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Speaker 1: if they're being honest, should be able to admit we

610
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Speaker 1: all have a backwards hat thing that makes us judge

611
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: people like there is there. So it can be as

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Speaker 1: simple as, oh that person who I thought was like

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Speaker 1: a big time, you know, powerbroker, Oh he doesn't match

614
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: his belt to his shoes, like, oh, he's not as

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Speaker 1: sophisticated as I thought. Or again, I'm just making that up.

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Speaker 1: So here's what I found so funny about today. I

617
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Speaker 1: don't really give a shit that JJ Reddick was wearing

618
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Speaker 1: a backwards hat at all. You know what, you know

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Speaker 1: what happened today though, that gave me another piece of

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Speaker 1: evidence that said I would not hire JJ Reddick right

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Speaker 1: now to be the head coach of Los Angeles. That

622
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Speaker 1: he responded to the clip that to me was far

623
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Speaker 1: more damning than his hat. It's like, buddy, you can't

624
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: Three days ago I saw you on the Internet arguing

625
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: with a San Francisco radio producer. Now you're watching clips

626
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: of Howard talking about you loling it like I just

627
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Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to go from that level

628
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: of internet engagement, maybe even searching your own name all

629
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Speaker 1: that stuff that people do, by the way, and I'm

630
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Speaker 1: not judging them for it, but I don't think it'd

631
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Speaker 1: be healthy to do as the head coach of the

632
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers. And I don't think you'd turn it

633
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Speaker 1: off in a week. So I don't care about the hat.

634
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: I care that he reacted to the clip, like I

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Speaker 1: really do, and by the way, I wouldn't care at

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Speaker 1: all if it was like a broadcaster like just in

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Speaker 1: his current job react to whatever you want, but a

638
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: different job we're talking about now, which again, I don't

639
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: think you would care about the backwards hat if it's

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Speaker 1: just he he's the NBA announcer. But if it's like, oh,

641
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be the head coach of my team, So

642
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Speaker 1: I get it. I actually get it.

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Speaker 2: Well. I mean, if you don't think appearance matters, your

644
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: daughter's on the emergency table in a hospital and a

645
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: surgeon came in in a suit and they put his

646
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Speaker 2: white or a blue robe over it, or a backwards hat,

647
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: what would you prefer? Or your pilot on a plane

648
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: came in or he has hat backwards, which would I prefer?

649
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: A turbulent night?

650
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: Well and so, and I also think, you know, Lebron

651
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Speaker 1: responded with two pictures and I wasn't sure who the

652
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: first guy was because the second guy's Jason Kid, and

653
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, he's done a great job, and it's like, yeah,

654
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: but Jason Kidd also JJ has this going for him

655
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: as well, like you know, former athlete, former athlete turned

656
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: coaches a little different, which is where I think JJ

657
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: probably has more of a you know, margin Ferrera here.

658
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: But the other guy, I was like, who is that?

659
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: And then we figured it out it's the guy who

660
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: owns the Jazz. Well. At some point, you like you

661
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: succeed out of like now, all of a sudden, you

662
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: never have to wear a suit. Like I don't know

663
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: if you watched the show Billions, but the may I

664
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: know it's fictional, but the main character Bobby Axelrod, who

665
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: was the billionaire he'd go to work, everyone's wearing a suit.

666
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: He's wearing a Metallica T shirt. Because it's like, eh,

667
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: I own the place. I kind of can like, yes,

668
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: there is that element to it, but but I love it.

669
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: I think it is my I mean, it is so

670
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: funny that four times a year, I know, I'm like, oh, well,

671
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: half of Colin's show is taking care of for no reason.

672
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: And because there's always new people in the ecosystem, there

673
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: are people who this is their first experience with you

674
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: and backwards hat and so they don't get any of that,

675
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: not that it's a joke, but that this has been

676
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: a twenty year thing. And those people replying are the best.

677
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: They're like this guy you got, I mean, it is

678
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: the best, and you don't have to explain the joke.

679
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Just let him go. It's it's the best.

680
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: I do think one more injury and the Bengals have

681
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: to draft another quarterback near the top first, second, third round.

682
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: I think that's becoming a reality. This is why I

683
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: defended I said this today about Michael Pennix. Last year,

684
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: the Falcons had no good quarterbacks and couldn't win a

685
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 2: bad division. This year, they'll have the two best quarterbacks,

686
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: and you're complaining about it, like sixty six quarterbacks played.

687
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: We're getting to it. We're getting to a point with

688
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Burrow that it's a real discussion you've got to have

689
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: at least a b backup. Now, Brady didn't like it

690
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: because he never got hurt with Garoppolo and big Ben. Similarly, Hey,

691
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm still I can still chug along. My injuries are fine.

692
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: But I think Burrow is gonna have to own Hey,

693
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: this team needs a backup and not a sixth rounder,

694
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: maybe a third rounder when we have other needs. So

695
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: I think that's a real discussion that Joe and the

696
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: Bengals have to have.

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Speaker 1: For sure that you mentioned Pinnix. So I'm glad you

698
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Speaker 1: mentioned that because I want to talk about both those

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks for a moment. I have not understood the tiny

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00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: violins for Kirk Cousins that have been out. Yeah or

701
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: do I here's the deal, man, And this is gonna

702
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: sound shitty, and I don't mean it too. But it's honest,

703
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is not good enough to get everything he wants.

704
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Speaker 1: That's the thing. If Kirk Cousins is good, he is

705
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Speaker 1: not good enough to get so do I. I want

706
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: to play in the worst division in football, no problem.

707
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: I want to play in a dome. We can do that.

708
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: I want to have another massive payday with one hundred

709
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: million guaranteed. Okay, we can do that too. I want

710
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Speaker 1: to have a lot of weapons. You know what We've

711
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: got that. I don't want to have any competition whatsoever. Sorry,

712
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: can't give you that one. That's like you don't like

713
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: the He is good enough to get a lot, but

714
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: not everything. And when you are something of a football mercenary,

715
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: if you will, you have taken the money and moved whatever.

716
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: And to his credit, there's a trade off and everything

717
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: in life. One of those things is you haven't built

718
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: up the equity within the organization for them to be like,

719
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: oh man, he's gonna hate this. They just met you

720
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: like sorry, like the there's and the person I feel

721
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: for in this is Pinnix. That like the the if

722
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: if if sports broadcasting worked the way the NFL does,

723
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Speaker 1: And I'm coming out of Syracuse and I'm considered one

724
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: of the three or four best in the world. And

725
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, there's this spot in this radio

726
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: station in Las Vegas that might pick me, that has

727
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: openings all over the place. There's a radio station in

728
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: Denver that might pick me, that has openings all over

729
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: the place. And then all of a sudden, I get

730
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Speaker 1: picked by a radio station in Atlanta and they're like, Buddy,

731
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: all our shows are filled up, but we think in

732
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: two years maybe you'll have one. Be like, you gotta

733
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: be kidding me. All these other places wanted me to play,

734
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: like I'm by the way, I went to grad school,

735
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: I'm old, Like you're talking about me, like I'm not

736
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Speaker 1: gonna get on the air till I'm twenty six. Like

737
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: this sucks. And so I everyone was like, oh man,

738
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: Kirk so disappointed. And I was sitting there thinking, like

739
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: I get that he gets the money or whatever, but

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Speaker 1: pinnis that differge for me to being the eighth pick

741
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: and the thirteenth pick is not a ton of money.

742
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: He was gonna be getting first round guaranteed money no

743
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: matter what, and now he's gotta sit so and again,

744
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: maybe it ends up being good for him, and he's

745
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: in a dome and he has the weapons. But if

746
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna feel badly for either of these two quarterbacks,

747
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: it's not the guy who just left his team got

748
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: a hundred million bucks coming off in Achilles. It's not

749
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Speaker 1: him that I feel badly for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would say Kirk Cousins, and there's

751
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: people like this in every industry, has monetized his position

752
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: to the highest possible level. Yes, Brady took pay cuts,

753
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan took pay cuts. Yeah, in the history of football,

754
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins has monetized his talent to the greatest level

755
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: and deserves great respect for that. But to your point, Kirk,

756
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: there's a trading. Yeah. Tom Brady can say Bruce arians

757
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: go upstairs. Yeah, Kirk Cousins isn't going to say that

758
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: to a coach, right.

759
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: That's the thing is, you don't. If you the only

760
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: people who get everything they want in their work life

761
00:37:53,640 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: are the absolute apex best, And if you are the

762
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: if you are the very best in your field, you

763
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: can kind of write the contract. If you are, that's

764
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: still super valuable. But there's seven or eight people better

765
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: than you, then you're gonna get most of what you want,

766
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: but not all of it. And I just think that's normal,

767
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: Like I it doesn't. I didn't. And I'm an empathetic person.

768
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: I can I can cry at the good enough tweet,

769
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know if somebody put out a

770
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: tweet the other day. It was like my dad wrote

771
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: me these letters every morning before school growing up. I

772
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: read it. I teared up. I'm like, oh my god,

773
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: Like I really think I'm an empathetic person, but I

774
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: didn't feel a moment where I'm like, oh, poor Kirk Cousins.

775
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: It's like, what because you don't want to, because you

776
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: deserve to not have to compete, and you're not even

777
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: really competing, Like it's your job. You're really gonna have

778
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: to screw up to not have it be your job.

779
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I just don't get it.

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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Jason Timp, host of Hoops Tonight. Make

781
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: sure you check us out live after games on the

782
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: Hoops Tonight YouTube channel as we provide instant reaction and

783
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: analysis of all the big NBA playoff games. Again, that's

784
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: the Hoops Tonight YouTube channel and wherever you get your podcasts.

785
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: So I'm divorced and my ex wife and I have

786
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: a fine relationship. We don't talk much anymore, but it

787
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: was always very or respectful.

788
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Speaker 1: Sure, so.

789
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Speaker 2: I totally get that it's a roast. I totally get it,

790
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: but I do hear the Giselle jokes and I think,

791
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: to myself, that's a little rough for me.

792
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: Like I thought about this, I couldn't believe we signed

793
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: up for it.

794
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought if somebody wanted to roast me, the

795
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: first thing I would think about is I got to

796
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Speaker 2: protect my kids. Right, That's the first thing I would say.

797
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: That's almost the first thing I think about always is

798
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Speaker 2: how is this going to land for my kids? And

799
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: when I listened to the jokes, I thought a lot

800
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: of it was hilarious. But I think I would have said, hey, don't,

801
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: I don't want you going after my kids.

802
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: But then right, but that's but that's so here's the

803
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: thing that but it's a roast. So I don't watch

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00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: this is a I'm sure there's a word for it.

805
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: I I don't watch roasts because there's a level of

806
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: like that secondhand embarrassment thing is like something I really

807
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: don't deal with. Well, Like there are certain times like

808
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: that we were talking about Curb earlier. There would be

809
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: certain moments in Curb where like I literally like I

810
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: turn away, like I'm like, oh, I feel so even

811
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: though it's make believe and it's someone else, I get

812
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: something internally. I feel uncomfortable with so a roast where

813
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: And it's not that I don't watch roast because I'm

814
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: offended by the jokes. It's because there are certain things

815
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: where I feel so badly for the person involved that

816
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: it makes me feel uncomfortable. It's why I was shocked

817
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: it existed. It's I just was shot. Like I get

818
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: why comedians do it to comedians, and I get why

819
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: fringe I don't want to be rude. I get why

820
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: Pete Rose would sign up for long like yeah, you

821
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I'm in the spotlight. It's a check,

822
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I get those things

823
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't under like I was shocked that Tom signed

824
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: up for it because it just feels like there's so

825
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: many landmines and so much like you were saying, I didn't,

826
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Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, there were a lot of people that

827
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: seems like and I'm not really an expert to talk

828
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: about this because again, like I didn't. I've seen some clips,

829
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: so I didn't watch it because I just don't enjoy that.

830
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: But it seems like there were a lot of people

831
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Speaker 1: that were not there that feel like that was not

832
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: fun for me or my family, you know what I mean,

833
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: all of it, and so I don't. I also was

834
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: kind of shocks. I was like, did Tom admit to

835
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: to flategate in this thing? Was that? Like, like what,

836
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: I didn't understand a lot of it, but he listen,

837
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: he I mean he the What didn't surprise me from

838
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: the coverage of it was that Belichick came off great.

839
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: What didn't surprise me is that people said, you know

840
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: what I mean, that he came off great and did

841
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: a great job. That that sound that checks out to me.

842
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm not I'm not blaming anybody for the

843
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: Gazelle jokes. I just thought, ooh that I would.

844
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: I would. Yeah.

845
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Speaker 2: That was the one where I was like, eh, God,

846
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: I don't. And I'm like you, I think Jeffrey Ross

847
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: and Nikki Glazer are great at what they do. I

848
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: I can't believe you have secondhand embarrassment. I suffer from

849
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: the same thing. Like I don't like to see people

850
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: bullied or hugely embarrassed.

851
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: I would rather. I know this sounds absurd. I so

852
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: I take the subway every day, and you from when

853
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: I pick up my daughter from school, I take subway home,

854
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: and the subway platform you go downstairs busy platform. As

855
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: insane as this sounds, I would rather slip and fall

856
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: on the subway stairs then have the person in front

857
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: of me slip and fall on the subway stairs, because

858
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: like when I like, I don't really care, like I

859
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: don't like I'm I'm not embarrassed easily for myself, Like

860
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: that's okay, Like people saw me fall, I don't care.

861
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: But for some reason the thing of like, oh that

862
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: person now thinks I was looking at him. They are embarrassed.

863
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: I really really it makes me feel super uncomfortable. The

864
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: second had embarrassment thing, and so it's just yeah, so

865
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: I just don't enjoy I appreciate that. Now. I will

866
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: tell you this, this is an unbelievable anecdote that I'm

867
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: about to give you. So Jamal Charles, who's gonna end

868
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: up being one of the greatest running backs ever to

869
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: not make the Hall of Fame. So you got totally

870
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: screwed by the Chiefs while he was there. It's just

871
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: an all time player. He's from Port Arthur, Texas and

872
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: was my favorite player when I was covering the Chiefs

873
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: in the early twenty tens, and I was really associated

874
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: with him because basically every time the Chiefs lost, I'd

875
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know about you guys. I would

876
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: have given the ball to Jamal Drells, Moore, Brody Froyle

877
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: is the quarterback, handed off to the guy who's getting

878
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: seven yards of carry you idiots. So when I was

879
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: in Houston after Kansas City, Jamal was being inducted to

880
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: the Port Arthur Sports Hall of Fame and they said, hey, Nick,

881
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: will you host it? Will you be the host of

882
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: the event? Like, yeah, of course, and be honest, this

883
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: is great. And the guy put it on, He's like,

884
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: it's a roast. I'm like, it's a roast. They're like, yes,

885
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: it's a roast. But again I'm even though I said

886
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: I don't watch them, this is I'm like, Okay, there's

887
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: no comedians here, but Andy Reid is there. Earl Thomas

888
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: from Texas is there. So his teammates are there. Whatever

889
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: it is, and they're like, yes, it's a roast, like, okay,

890
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: so I'll, you know, write eight minutes of jokes is unbelievable.

891
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever told the story publicly. There's

892
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: a video somewhere. So I get up there and I am,

893
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: I think telling great jokes, like one of them was

894
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: God damn man, don't you I'm telling you this. Do

895
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: not isolate this and put this on social media, I said.

896
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: I turned to Andy Reid and I said something about

897
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: how I'm not going to tell the exact joke, but

898
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: how his clock management style reminded me of my sex

899
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: life in college. There was something. There was a joke there.

900
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: You people can figure it out. It was a good joke.

901
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: He didn't like it. I said something about Earl Thomas

902
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: and the Legion of Boom whatever it is, and nobody's

903
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: really laughing that much, but these are good jokes. And

904
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: then every other person that came up there did not

905
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: get the memo this was a roast. They got the

906
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: memo that this was a toast, and no one told

907
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: me jokes and everyone just talked about it, right Carl,

908
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: So I just looked like the biggest asshole in the world.

909
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: I started the thing. I'm just I'm just killing everybody.

910
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: Then everyone's like, here's how Jamal's changed my life. If

911
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: no joke's nothing, I'm like, you've gotta be kidding me.

912
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: You have got to be kidding me. And the guy

913
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: who did it, the guy who set it up, I'm like,

914
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: I didn't get like misread the email, was like no, man,

915
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm sorry, Like I told everyone it was

916
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: a roast, but whatever, they didn't go with it. So

917
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: I just looked like the worst guy ever. Like Andy

918
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: I think was legitimately Matt because Andy's and Andy and

919
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: I are really cool now. But Andy, when I then

920
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: introduced him after the joke, he came over and maybe

921
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: it's just how he shakes hands and he is a

922
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: big guy, but it was not like a firm handshake.

923
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: It was like, I'm gonna hurt your hand with this handshake,

924
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: you smart ass kid making fun of my clock management.

925
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: So maybe that's why I don't like roasts, because one

926
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: of the most embarrassing nights of my life was me

927
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: thinking I was at a roast and it was actually

928
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: a toast and I just looked like a bad guy.

929
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: That is an all time story.

930
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: You can include that. See I know, I said, don't

931
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: put it on social media. You can do whatever you want.

932
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: Just maybe try to clip out the sex life in

933
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: college thing. I have an image to uphold. But go ahead,

934
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is a real story. That's a true story.

935
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: Austin Rivers came out and said I could pick thirty

936
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: NBA players and play in the NFL. JJ Watt fired back,

937
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: and I said, today there are sports, and the NBA

938
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: is included in this. Tennis, golf, baseball, basketball. There is

939
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: a skill level that erodes very quickly if you don't

940
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: stay on it. Don't If you don't hit a baseball

941
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: for two months, you're cooked. You're cooked. Basketball. When I

942
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 2: was playing high school basketball in the college every day.

943
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: If I took a week off, my ball handling wasn't

944
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: quite as good. And NFL is the one sport where

945
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: you don't have to play college and you can be

946
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer Antonio Gates. It's not a repetitive sport.

947
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: Some some instances mechanics for quarterback yes, sure, kicking yes,

948
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: But a lot of it is strength, brutality, physicality, instincts

949
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: at raw more yea more than any other sport football,

950
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: which is why so many of us play high school football,

951
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: and so many people participate. You can be big, you

952
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: don't have to be fast. You can be a guard.

953
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: You can only be able to kick. You can be

954
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: a punter, right, Like, there's a bunch of different stuff

955
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: that said, I don't think basketball players have any idea

956
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: how much getting tackled hurts. If you ever go to

957
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: the sideline of an NFL game and watch Christian McCaffrey

958
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: get hit, you cannot believe he can get up. You

959
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: cannot believe he's not severely injured. It is a car

960
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: wreck on every tackle.

961
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: So you should watch. You. I mean, well, you obviously

962
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: know these guys, Howie Long's kids. You know, Chris and

963
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: Jake Long. You know, so they have a podcast green Light,

964
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: and you, by the way, you own a podcast business

965
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: or an audio business. Like, I think I think they

966
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: are great. I think Chris is Chris did He tweeted,

967
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: he said, emergency rant coming on Austin Rivers and Colin.

968
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: When I tell you this is some of my favorite

969
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: ten minutes of media in the last month. You have

970
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: to listen to it because his entire take is that

971
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: not that guys couldn't do it, but like because they're

972
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: not good enough at football, but I mean and I'm

973
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: gonna not do it justice. He's like, Oh, okay, Austin Rivers.

974
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: You think you guys can come play football. Well, here's

975
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: the deal. We got fifty three guys on the team.

976
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: There's three massage therapists. Oh your body hurts well, the

977
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: massuse available at four o'clock. Why don't you get a

978
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: lift in and shut up? Like you're used to that

979
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: in the NBA. He's like, Oh, in the NBA, your

980
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: coach is how do they talk to you? Because my

981
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: coaches mf me and then tell me to go lay

982
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: in a queen size bedit training camp with another guy

983
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: in my room. He's like, he does a whole thing.

984
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: He's like, what's your flights like? Because for forty of us,

985
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: we're in the coach seats on a plane. When's the

986
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: last time you His whole take was not you wouldn't

987
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: be good enough, but that our lives are just different.

988
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: Our coaches coach us, Our practices are hard. He was like,

989
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: what happens in the NBA when somebody gets hurt? Do

990
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: they cancel shoot around? Because in the NFL they move

991
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: the drill. They just move they're like guys getting carted off.

992
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: It is a great rant. With that said, I came

993
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: up with eight guys. I want to know. I didn't

994
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: know you're going to talk about this. I came up

995
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: with eight guys and their position. I guess it's seven guys,

996
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: all right. So Anthony Edwards could play running backer safety.

997
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: I am certain of it. I am certain Anthony Edwards

998
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: could do it. Young Lebron would be the greatest tight

999
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 1: end in NFL history. I know, I know it's true.

1000
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: Westbrook could play in the NFL. I'm not sure the position.

1001
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: Maybe ad drusher, maybe safety. Josh Hart I think can

1002
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver, just based on his rebound. Unding

1003
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: this playoffs, Chris Long said he I'm just gonna trust

1004
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: him on this because I never would have thought of it,

1005
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: but he played the position. He was like, I've been

1006
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: watching the playoffs. I could make Jalen Brown a pass rusher.

1007
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I believe you. He was like, he

1008
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: was like he has great bend. He seems a little mean.

1009
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: He's like, I could do it. And then and this

1010
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: is gonna sound mean, and I am not being mean.

1011
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: I am simply saying he would have to put on weight,

1012
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: which I think he can, and then all of a

1013
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,479
Speaker 1: sudden it would be a benefit. He has great feet,

1014
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: great athleticism. I think Zion could potentially be an a

1015
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: an awesome lineman. He's six ' six, he obvious, you

1016
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean, can carry it big like Jason

1017
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: Peters was a tight end that went to it. So

1018
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: I do think where I think Austin Rivers had a

1019
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: kernel of accuracy is there are certainly more NBA guys

1020
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: that the There are probably five NBA guys that could

1021
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: be good NFL players, like good, like hey, give me

1022
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: a year to train be a good NFL player. And

1023
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's any NFL guys that could

1024
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: be really good NBA players because, like you said, your

1025
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: skill has atrophied and if you're not over six ' six,

1026
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: it's all about skill, it's you know what I mean.

1027
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: And there's nobody that's six ' ten in the NFL

1028
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: to begin with.

1029
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 2: So I think the list you made would be shorter.

1030
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: But to give you an example, I think because football

1031
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: players are so thick, we forget how big they are.

1032
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 2: Go look at the video of Micah Parsons without his

1033
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: shirt on this week. He makes Aunt Edwards look like me.

1034
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: He is so big. I'll give you an example. There's

1035
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: an old photo of Michael Jordan standing next to Barry Bombs.

1036
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: He looks like a straw. Is that Remember Michael playing baseball?

1037
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 2: He looked like he was so stimciated.

1038
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: Now that's that. That part's fair, that part. Yeah, These

1039
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: NFL guys they regularly leg press five hundred and fifty pounds.

1040
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: That is when you watch Micah Parsons without a shirt on.

1041
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: My take is and there are times he is engulfed

1042
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: by Trent Williams, just engulfed by it. No, that so

1043
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: that part, So people do we all have a like

1044
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: our brain doesn't process how big NFL guys are and

1045
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: how tall NBA guys are. Our brain doesn't accept it. Like, yeah,

1046
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean you see around the office occasionally, I assume

1047
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: my son because he works on the lot. You've seen

1048
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: him there. He is almost always the biggest guy in

1049
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: the room. He's you know, he's six three and a half,

1050
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: you know, probably two hundred pounds, maybe one ninety and

1051
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: in a room of regular people, he's an imposing cuts,

1052
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: an imposing figure. He is the exact same height and

1053
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: about ten pounds lighter than Steph Curry, and Steph Curry

1054
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: in the NBA looks like a little guy, and it's like, no, actually,

1055
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: Steph Curry's the size of a bouncer at a decent nightclub.

1056
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what I mean, Like the and

1057
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: so everybody forgets how tall NBA guys actually are. That

1058
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: the guys in the when you're watching the basketball game

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Speaker 1: and a guy looks like he's average height, he's six

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Speaker 1: seven and if you worked with someone who was six ' seven,

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Speaker 1: you would gawk at them. And you're right about how

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Speaker 1: just the raw strength of the average NFL player, that

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Speaker 1: part is unquestioned.

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Speaker 2: When just the and of the Long Brothers pointed out

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Speaker 2: the physical and mental toughness to just get tackled by

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Speaker 2: the strongest people in the country over and.

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Speaker 1: Over and over, well that what he said. He said,

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Speaker 1: he was just talking about guys who because who would

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00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: just get folded he said, he was naming NBA guys.

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Speaker 1: He's like, you get folded up by like one of

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Speaker 1: those camping tables, like, oh, you're seven feet tall, well

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Speaker 1: to you're four feet tall now because he just got

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Speaker 1: folded in half. It's a great rant it is shout

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Speaker 1: out to him. Man. I know you and I are

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Speaker 1: two people, two of the ten people in the world

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Speaker 1: who appreciate a great rant as much as anybody. And

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Speaker 1: this was a great rant by Chris Long. I highly

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I do think there are a few though.

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Speaker 1: I think there are a few guys who could do it.

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Speaker 1: I think I do think Anthony Awards could play safety

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Speaker 1: because I don't think safeties are at the size of MICHAEH.

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Speaker 1: Parsons is flying around like a missile. I think he

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Speaker 1: could do He's twenty two years old. I think you

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Speaker 1: play safety. The Chiefs just drafted a get in the

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Speaker 1: first roundway its one hundred and sixty pounds. That guy

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Speaker 1: don't see Anthony Edwards coming over the middle. Just doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you Lebron. We'll stop right there, Okay, Nick Wright,

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Speaker 2: as always, buddy, it's great.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely talk to you soon. Conby the volume.

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