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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 2: Joined as always, buy an our bar Gas.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar That defense. The

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Speaker 1: technical term for it is ass. They rank one hundred.

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Speaker 1: They were like one hundred and twenty eight out of

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Speaker 1: Alex Crnch. I know people want quarterbacks who win, and

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Speaker 1: I want to get into that when you're done with Williams,

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Speaker 1: but I just wanted to point that out again. The

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Speaker 2: That was pretty good, Alex Dan, that was pretty funny.

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Speaker 2: I can't give you a lot of compliments, but that

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Speaker 2: that was a good one.

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Speaker 1: That's a good joke.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't really a joke in there. It kind of wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that was a joke. That wasn't so

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Speaker 1: funny about it. No, that was just an honest assessment

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Speaker 1: of the situation. The joke is the USC defense.

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Speaker 2: They're still bad. Yeah, oh no, they didn't get any better.

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Speaker 1: Look, they needed to fire Alex Grinch. Are not saying

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Speaker 1: they didn't but that wasn't gonna He's a mean one

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Speaker 1: that you can move on from the coach, you still

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Speaker 1: need to have the talent for the new coach to

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Speaker 2: So really sounds familiar. I don't know if we could

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Speaker 2: draw any parallels there to a team that we cover

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Speaker 2: on a daily basis. Oh wait a second, we probably will.

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Speaker 2: For the next two hours, Evan was our Alex Barth

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Speaker 2: sitting here for the next couple hours with you on

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Speaker 2: Patriots Catch twenty two, and I before we get really

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Speaker 2: rolling here, Alex, I just want to say I saw

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Speaker 2: a lot of people posting their what's it called.

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Speaker 1: Their rapped, Oh the Spotify rap Spotify thing.

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Speaker 2: It's super cool that we are on a lot of

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Speaker 2: people's lists, Like we really appreciate that, and just you know,

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Speaker 2: in terms of Patriots dot com, like obviously Unfiltered as

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Speaker 2: well as on a lot of people's lists. My old

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Speaker 2: podcast and your current podcast, Patriots Beat is also on

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Speaker 2: there for a lot of people, and we really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: And uh, it's very very cool my Spotify rapped as

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Speaker 1: Jaylor Swift, Kanye West, and then just White Noise, Just static.

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Speaker 2: That you got it. Yeah, yeah, that that's one hundred

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Speaker 2: It was Kanye West number one Artist of the year.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's funny because people still get on

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Speaker 2: me for liking Kanye West, despite how controversial he has

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Speaker 2: been for for our people, you know, in particular, it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I gotta be honest with you. I

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Speaker 2: separate the art from the artist, right you know. That's

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Speaker 2: that's the way I am. Anyways, let's not get too

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Speaker 2: off off the rails here, but getting back to football.

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Speaker 2: A couple of things that I want to talk about, obviously,

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Speaker 2: the the news of the day, the news of the

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go ahead, one up music. Oh but I

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Speaker 1: That's terrible. I use Google So I use Google Maps

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Speaker 1: I still put it on. So Google Maps now does

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Speaker 1: stadium number one. No, but I just wanted to say

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awesome and it's been a tough season. It's

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Speaker 2: been a tough season as a Patriots fan. It's been

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Speaker 2: we are going to do three up, three down from

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Speaker 2: the Giants game, and you can join in on the

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Speaker 2: conversation eight five to five PATS five hundred Web Radio

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Speaker 2: the news of the last twenty four hours, and that

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Speaker 2: is the Patriots on Sunday, Alex. It certainly looks like

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Speaker 2: they will have a new starting quarterback. This is not

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Speaker 2: a one hundred percent guarantee because Bill Belichick's still going

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Speaker 2: We're just simply asking him about the quarterback. We'll see

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Speaker 1: At some point that is the expectation. Zapi said that

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Speaker 2: But I want to operate on the prism that Bailey

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Speaker 1: I think what it means for Mac Jones too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's the big picture. And I

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you can roll it out,

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick was winning them games. They made the switch, I

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Speaker 1: What this is. This to me is, hey, we don't

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Speaker 1: I've said since the summer I didn't think there was

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fair assessment. In terms of mac

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Speaker 2: That's certainly the indication that the short window we got

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Speaker 1: I don't care what he does. It's not he should

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Speaker 2: I don't care how he performs. Honestly, I don't care

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Speaker 1: But at that point they should bring in a veteran

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Speaker 1: Well, because it's I'm not gonna be good enough to

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Speaker 2: I just I think that there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm not stud check you're going to do that

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Speaker 2: just don't know how you can watch it and get

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Speaker 2: to that point. But that's besides the point. We have

434
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 2: plenty of time to deliberate that, and and let's see

435
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 2: what happens. You know, if he goes out there against

436
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 2: the Chargers and throws for five hundred yards, then I'm

437
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 2: not going to lie to you that it's I don't

438
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 2: I'm still not going to be in that school, but

439
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 2: it's not going to be a school that I'm going

440
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 2: to be completely dismissive of if he plays well, because

441
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 2: that's that's fair right.

442
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: Right here, just watching and that's all I'm saying.

443
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 5: Uh.

444
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: In terms of the game plan against the Chargers, I

445
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing that you look at from Zappy

446
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: is that really this Chargers defense and it is not

447
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 2: fair good. Like, statistically they haven't been very good. They're

448
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 2: one of the worst pass defenses in the league, very

449
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: poorly coach their bottom half in terms of a well,

450
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: very poorly managed. Like, we're gonna go back and forth

451
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: on this a little bit, a very Brandon Staley and

452
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: I you're not gonna defend right now because Brandon Staley

453
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: is a good x's and o's coach. He is, Brandon

454
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: Staley is a good exit. There's a difference, But we

455
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 2: do this all the time. There as a difference between

456
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: x's and o's and game management. Brandon Staley in terms

457
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: of being a CEO of a football team stinks all right,

458
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 2: Like he stinks at it. Yeah, he played his starters

459
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: in a meaningless Week eighteen game last year, a bunch

460
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: of guys got hurt and they blew a twenty seven

461
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: point lead in the wildcard round to the Jaguars. Right

462
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 2: like that, he's a bad He's a bad head coach.

463
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 2: But I was a bad head coach.

464
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Speaker 1: Doesn't that, even if it's designed well, he puts his

465
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: defense in bad positions. I don't think they need to

466
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: be as bad as they've looked because he's continuously putting

467
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: them in bad positions.

468
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: Maybe, But my point is is that if Brandon Staley

469
00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: gets fired by the Chargers.

470
00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are.

471
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Speaker 2: Going to be a lot of teams interested in him

472
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: as a defensive coordinator.

473
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, fine, I'll say that. But I just

474
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 1: he's not helping that team out. He's he's making the

475
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: team actively worse. And I would say that the defensive

476
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: struggles this year are due in part to how many

477
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: times do they just randomly go for it on fourth down,

478
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: deep in their owns, deep on their own side of

479
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: the field, don't get it because there's some horrible play call,

480
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: and then the defense has to defend like thirty yards

481
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: and gives up a touchdown. They I don't have the

482
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Speaker 1: exact number in front of me, but I know it's high.

483
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: They've they've had some of the most short fields of

484
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Speaker 1: any defense in the league. That's because of Brandon Staley.

485
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter how he's designing it, the situation he's putting

486
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: them in is bad. I knew we were gonna go here,

487
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, because you're not gonna come on and defend

488
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: the worst coach in the league, because not gonna do.

489
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Speaker 2: That, because we're looking at it differently. We do this

490
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: all the time.

491
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Speaker 1: He's the worst head. You just said, he's not good

492
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Speaker 1: at being a head coach, A head coach, he's the

493
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: worst head coach in the league. He's up there.

494
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: He's one of who else. I guess I'd have to

495
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 2: really think about it, but you know, because it's him,

496
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: he's a He's a bad head coach, no doubt, no,

497
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: no coach is doing less with more.

498
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: I guess that's I don't know.

499
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: See, I think this is this is one thing that

500
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: I will say about the Chargers, and I did really

501
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: want to talk more about Zappy specifically as well.

502
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: This is one thing I'll say about the Chargers.

503
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: I personally think outside the quarterback and he's the quarterback's

504
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: great and all you people that want to hit me

505
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: with quarterback wins and like he doesn't have the dog

506
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: in him and all this stuff, like please, like please, Okay,

507
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: it's not his fault that Quentin Johnson dropped the game

508
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: winning touchdown against the Packers. Okay, it's not his fault, guys.

509
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: The bottom line is is that Justin Herbert is a

510
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 2: damn good quarterback. That guy's a dude, all right, He's incredible.

511
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: And outside the quarterback though without Mike Williams and that offense,

512
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: they really have one good receiver in Keenan Allen, like

513
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: they have a couple of other like ever, it's like

514
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: an okay tight end and I'm arm's not.

515
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: Bad, but yeah, likes good.

516
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 2: Eckler's not the same guy he was last year. He's

517
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: been hurt, he's been in and out of the lineup.

518
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: He hasn't been as effective. Let me put it to

519
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: you this way. When you pull up like their their

520
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: PFF chart that has like all like the two sides

521
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: of the ball. You know which one I'm talking about. Yeah,

522
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: when you pull it up, there's like three or four

523
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: guys on the entire starting twenty two for the Chargers

524
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: right now that are grading as like good NFL starters,

525
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: like above average to good NFL starters. It's Herbert, it's

526
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen, It's Khalil Mack and it's h of course

527
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Speaker 2: I'm blanking on the tackle that the tackle of all

528
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Speaker 2: people later Slater, Rashaan.

529
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Speaker 1: Slay have eight. They have eight players who are great

530
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Speaker 1: in the green or better.

531
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Speaker 2: They just don't have I don't think they have the

532
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: depth and the roster talent that a lot of people do.

533
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Speaker 1: And it's not making excuses for Brandon again, but I

534
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: would say, like is it. Do they have more depth

535
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: and roster talent than the Titans who have the same record.

536
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: I would say they do. Do they have more depth

537
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: and roster talent than the Jets might be?

538
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 2: So here's the thing is when I look at I

539
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: think that they have better quarterback player than the teams

540
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: that are around them.

541
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: For sure.

542
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't in terms of the roster from

543
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: one to fifty three they have They've always been.

544
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: They've better roster than the Titans.

545
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: Even come on, I do they like there's they're a

546
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: star driven team, Like they have a really star driven league.

547
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 2: They're very top heavy team. They're very top heavy to

548
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 2: star driven league. It is to an extent you should.

549
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: Be Okay, Look, I'm not saying that they should be

550
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: winning the super Bowl this year with the talent they have,

551
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: even if it's not as much as it maybe looks

552
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: like at times, they should not be four and seven.

553
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: That's coaching.

554
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I don't disagree with Okay, I don't disagree

555
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: with that.

556
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: I would still say no because there is a lot

557
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: of star pard there. No coach has done less with

558
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: more than Staley this year. I feel confident in saying that.

559
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: All Right, that's fair if you want to say sala,

560
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: because the Jets do have a lot of roster talent,

561
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: But they went through the whole year, through the whole

562
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: offseason preparing to have Aaron Rodgers. It's not like I didn't.

563
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't coming on here to I honestly wasn't playing

564
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: thing on defending Brandon Stay. But the thing with Brandon

565
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: Staley that I respect is that, uh, he he's drawn

566
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: up over the last let's call it calendar year, He's

567
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: drawn up some of the better defensive game plans that

568
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: they that we've seen against some of the really good

569
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: offenses in the NFL, you know, going back to last

570
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: season mostly, but he put out the blueprint to stop

571
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: the Dolphins. Like the Dolphins offense in the second half

572
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: of the season, the blueprint that everybody was using to

573
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: slow that Dolphins offense down was Brandon Staley's game plan.

574
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: And then you look at against Evan we talked about

575
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot of good coordinators that are good.

576
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Codator, that's all I'm saying. Defensive

577
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's fine, That's all I'm saying. With that.

578
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: With that being With that being said, With that being said, uh,

579
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: for the Patriots and for or for for Bailey ZAPPI, Uh,

580
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: they play a lot of split safety codes, right, they

581
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: are a too high safety team.

582
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: I think one of the big.

583
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: Criticisms that I personally have of Brandon Saley has nothing

584
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: to do with the fourth downs and stuff like that.

585
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: It's more about the fact that they went into a

586
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: game against Baltimore last week and played with six guys

587
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: in the box against Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens,

588
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 2: and I get it. They only gave up twenty points.

589
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: And that's like kind of the whole point, right, is

590
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 2: that you're gonna keep the top on the defense. You're

591
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: gonna play this too high safety shell, you're gonna limit

592
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 2: explosives through the air, and you're ultimately not gonna give

593
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: up a whole lot of points. But the problem is,

594
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: and this is I think this is kind of more

595
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: on your side of the street, honestly. The problem is

596
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: is that it shortens the game, right, and you get

597
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: into a situation where you're giving up two hundred yards

598
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: on the ground rushing and you're getting dominated in time

599
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: of possession, and it just kind of the game script

600
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: just favors the other team. So even though Baltimore only

601
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: scored twenty points and really didn't run away from the

602
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: Chargers in that game until Jay Flowers house that touchdown

603
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: at the end of the game, Baltimore was in complete

604
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: control of the game the entire game because of the

605
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: way that they play defense. And if you're the Patriots,

606
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: I think the big question is from a game plan perspective,

607
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: is will Staley change his structure? Will he stack the

608
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: box against a team that doesn't throw the ball down

609
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: the field at all? And will he play run play quick,

610
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: game play screen or will he keep the safeties eight nine,

611
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: ten yards off the line of scrimmage like he always

612
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: does and allow the Patriots to run Zeke Elliott and

613
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: Ormandra Stevenson down their throats Because if that's the shell

614
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: that they give him constantly, then the Patriots can run

615
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: the football here. And I think that they can get

616
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: to that play action stuff that they did with Bailey

617
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: Zappy last year, and he can make some throws in

618
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: this game against a bad pass defense. But ultimately, I

619
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: think Staley will will have a plan that's a little

620
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: bit different because of what he's facing. So also I mean,

621
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: the Patriots had a great chance to run the ball

622
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: last week and didn't as much as they probably should have.

623
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, even if he gets is in that look,

624
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: they still have to run the ball. But yeah, no,

625
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: it's a fair question. Will he will he?

626
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Will he adjust? I think that that's a fair question.

627
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: And the Patriots should be running ball as much as

628
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: they can in this game. We said that, and it's

629
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: not a Bailey's epy thing. We said that last week

630
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: with Mac. They just they are better at running the football.

631
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: They should run the ball as much as they can.

632
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: The best thing the Chargers can do is get up

633
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: early and in taking it and we'll get to what

634
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: the Patriots pass defense was last week. But if the

635
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: Chargers get up early, yes, daily has to be doing that.

636
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a big reason and not the Jets

637
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: game doesn't back this up because obviously it was a

638
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: one scorer, close game the whole game. But in terms

639
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: of volume of the run game, they've obviously been down

640
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: in a lot of games. Yeah, and I think that

641
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: that's taking them away from the running game.

642
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: A little bit.

643
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: Weren't against the Giants, But I think the bigger thing

644
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: that's taking them away from the running game is that

645
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: they can't get the play action pass the game going there.

646
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: Right now, they're dead last in the league and passer

647
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: rating off play action. As a team, they have a

648
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: sixty one rating on play action. They have thrown five

649
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: pick off play action in the league high. Both quarterbacks

650
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: threw picks last week off of play action. Now, some

651
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: of it is Mac Jones throw throwing the the ephis

652
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: pitched against the Colts, right, Like, some of it is

653
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: just terrible quarterback play, no doubt about it. But some

654
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: of it, too, is how it's they're designing the play

655
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: action passing game. You, yeah, it's not bad, right.

656
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: That's like I got a little bit of a deeper

657
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: Baseball reference.

658
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: Chuck Knoblock also deep Baseball reference for this one, right,

659
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: didn't he like forget how to throw something like.

660
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the patient zero of the yips. Yeah, there

661
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 1: you go.

662
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: Uh so play action wise, and I this is these

663
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: are times where I wish I had like a whiteboard

664
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: because it's I'm it's confusing even for me to say,

665
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: you know, kind of explain, but basically I'm gonna just

666
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: say it really quick, like as straightforward as I can.

667
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: This is why I hate duo. This is why I

668
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: hate the scheme because with duo there's two things that happen.

669
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: One, there's not.

670
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: Really a great set l with duo for play action, right, Like,

671
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: the whole point of play action is that you have

672
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: the run that you have the blockers run block and

673
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: that draws in the linebackers and that draws in the

674
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: defense and then you and then you have routes running

675
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: in open areas. Right, That's the whole goal of play

676
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: action is to create a poll of the defense and

677
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: suffocate the defense in to play run and then run

678
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: routes behind the players that you're pulling out of their

679
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: pass responsibilities. That's why you do it with duo number

680
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: one a lot. You get a lot of high hats

681
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: with duo, meaning like the offensive lineman just go right

682
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: into pass protection mode and there's no sell. There's no

683
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't really sell the play action fake at all

684
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: from a blocking standpoint to the defense. The other reason

685
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: why I don't like it is because if you're truly

686
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: going to sell duo, then you have to double team, right.

687
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: You have to run the same double teams that you

688
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: would run in the run game. And what happens is

689
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: when you do that, is that you start to leave

690
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: guys unblocked in the pass rush. So as soon as

691
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: the linebackers or the defensive lineman, as soon as they

692
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: convert their rush from run to pass, now all of

693
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: a sudden, there's guys coming through the line of scrimmage

694
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: because their double team blocks are being are happening to

695
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: simulate duo, and now you've got guys running Scott free

696
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: to the quarterback. That's exactly what happened, I think when

697
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: looking back at that play with mac Jones's first interception,

698
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: Cole Strange goes inside to double team and sell duo

699
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: with David Andrews, and it leaves the three technique unblocked

700
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: through the line of scrimmage and Remandra Stevenson has to

701
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: actually make a really good play to pick up the

702
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: unblocked guy. So they have been really, really bad, you

703
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: know in play action, and I think a big reason

704
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: why is because of how they've been trying to design

705
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: it and marry it to their runs. When they run

706
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: like the traditional power play action plays that the Patriots

707
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: have always run, where you see the guard pole and

708
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: he's going up to the you know, the first level

709
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: to try to simulate that power scheme and then they

710
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: just hit like the tight end behind it on a

711
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: crossing route or something like that. They've been really good

712
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: at that. Like the play against the Colts, it was

713
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: wide open, like they got what they wanted out of it.

714
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: Mac just didn't make the throw. They have tried really

715
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: hard to get into a lot of the Shanahan concepts

716
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: down the field. You know, post routes with the crossing

717
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: route filling in underneath. That was what both interceptions were

718
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: off play action last week was the deep vertical with

719
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: the crosser and if you're not getting those linebackers out

720
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: of that lane. That's why Shanahan tree guys. That's why

721
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: they pair post cross with bootleg is because it changes

722
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: the point of attack right, and so the linebackers are

723
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: flowing one way and the crossing routes coming back the

724
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: other way, and now you're pulling the linebackers out of

725
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: the passing lane, Whereas if you just do it from

726
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: a stagnant pocket, those linebackers are just dropping out and

727
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: they're getting underneath the route and now all of a sudden,

728
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: you're throwing into team meetings. So I don't like how

729
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: they've designed it, but that doesn't mean that they can't

730
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: get back to a good design. If I'm the Patriots

731
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: with Bailey Zappy, I'm starting to think about running a

732
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: lot more of those trap or power play action plays

733
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: moving the pocket, maybe a little bit more than they

734
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: did with mac Jones, because I think one thing with

735
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: Bailey is that he is a little bit more nimble.

736
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say he's a scrambler, but he's a little

737
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: bit more agile. He's a little bit more lighter on

738
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: his feet than Mac Jones. Is I just I they

739
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: gotta be able to find ways to hit the shot

740
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: plays off play action because they're not going to do

741
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: it at a traditional drop at so and but.

742
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with and this was obviously different play caller.

743
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: This was Matt Patricia. Yeah, last year in games started,

744
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: So this doesn't include the Bears game or the Packers game.

745
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 1: Play action Mac Jones to Patriots, whether it was under

746
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: center Shock or whatever. The Patriots had Mac Jones in

747
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: play action eighteen point one percent of the time, Yeah,

748
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: Bailey Zappy twenty six point one, So a significant increase.

749
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and play action higher if you take out the

750
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: Bears game where they were down in the second.

751
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: This does include the Bears game. Oh are you sure

752
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: this is just games where the guy played the whole game.

753
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I thought I thought it if you went

754
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: into just his two starts, I thought it was like

755
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: over thirty percent.

756
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: But I could be right. Oh maybe I thought this

757
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: was that. Maybe okay, But anyway, the point is like

758
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: they ran play action a lot more with Bailey's appenan

759
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: and mac Jones under center percent. So this is total

760
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: under center, not just play action, but like percentage of

761
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: the snaps under center. Mac Jones seventeen percent, Bailee Zappy

762
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: twenty five percent. So again a big jump, and those

763
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: two go hand in hand. Those aren't mutually exclusive, Yeah,

764
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: but a big jump for Bailey Zappy in that under

765
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: center looks. So maybe they do do some more under

766
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: center stuff. Again different play callers. We don't know for sure,

767
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: but maybe they do some more under centdent with Zappy

768
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: and one more number even that isn't exactly tides what

769
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about, but Counder relates here RPO percentage. Now,

770
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: both of these are too low, but last year Mac

771
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: Jones ran RPOs on four point seven percent of his

772
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: past attempts. Bailey's appy was at nine point seven, so almost. Yeah.

773
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: A lot of those are obviously those screen run options

774
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: where they have like the screen on the outside and

775
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: you can hand the ball off. Bill O'Brien calls them

776
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: advantage throws where you just have that it's really more

777
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: like a pre snap read than it is reading the

778
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: defensive movie post snap. The one thing that you know,

779
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: he said was when I asked him about it a

780
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: few weeks ago, was that they were worried about a

781
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: legal man downfield penalties because the offensive line had got

782
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: called for a few of those and there were a

783
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: lot of new guys and like they were turning out

784
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: guys at that point right on the offensive line. Now

785
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: that they've had the same five guys for the most

786
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: part for an e string of games, now, I do

787
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: wonder if you start to see a few more downfield

788
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: you know, post snap style RPO and Bailey Zappi certainly

789
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: ran out a ton in college. Yeah, so he's capable

790
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: of doing that. The biggest thing was Zappi, though you

791
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: mentioned the play action numbers, he averaged something I think

792
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: it was over seventeen yards per attempt last year off

793
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: play action, which is just absolutely utterly insane. I do

794
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: think that that is going to be a big part

795
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: of what they're going to try to do. And when

796
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: you come into even at halftime of a one score

797
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: game like he did last week, when you come into

798
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: the middle of these games, and a lot of the time,

799
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: Bailey Zapp, he's been behind when he comes in. He's

800
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: only had six dropbacks off play action this season because

801
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: he's not getting into games off the beginning where he's

802
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: in the in the the opening script and all that

803
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. When they can get the run game

804
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: going early, hopefully against the Chargers, and then they get

805
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: the play action like, it's such a different flow for

806
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: him then coming in mid game or at the end

807
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: of a game, like he's obviously not going to run

808
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: play action in the two minute right, Like you're just

809
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: not going to do that. So I think there's gonna

810
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: be more opportunities for that. He's been okay when they

811
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: go traditional drop back and third and manageable, like it

812
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: hasn't been a disaster.

813
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: You know.

814
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 2: He hit that fourth down throw to Juju Smith Schuster

815
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 2: in the game last week. That was a big part

816
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: of getting them down there for the Chad Ryland field goal.

817
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: So I think there's a kid there's a possibility of

818
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: him being all right, and let's call it third and

819
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: six or less. You just can't get into third and

820
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: long with Bailey Zappi at quarterback, which you don't want

821
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: to do that regardless, But that's why early down run

822
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 2: game play action and staying out of those third and tens,

823
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: that's why that becomes so key. You're gonna see a

824
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: lot of screens in quick game, I think. Still, I

825
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: don't think that those are just gonna go away. But ultimately,

826
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: if I'm the Patriots and I put this out on

827
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: Twitter and everybody made fun of me for using the phrase,

828
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: but like what harm is there? And letting Bailey Zappi

829
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: cook a little bit, like what harm is there?

830
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: And letting him say, well, what harms here? There's a

831
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: lot of things you could say, what is the harm

832
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: in at two and nine that they just won't do.

833
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: They're just you already in a position most people probably

834
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: want you to lose anyways. So if he goes out

835
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: there and he throws three picks because he's trying to

836
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: push the ball down the field a little bit, at

837
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: least you're finding out about the player.

838
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: It goes back, So it goes back to what we

839
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: talked about top of the show. If they really want

840
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: to let Bailey Zafi prove what he can do, you

841
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: gotta let him throw the ball, Yeah, and like really

842
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: throw it at not one year yard per passit like

843
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: he was loud. You gotta let you gotta really see

844
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: what he can do. If you're trying to evaluate him,

845
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: If they're still having him check it down like he

846
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: did last week, that tells me they don't believe in

847
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: him at all. And yeah, it is gonna be a

848
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: clean slate at the quarterback position.

849
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: Ultimately, I think that that might be in a weird way,

850
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: like the best way to win the game if you're

851
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: just trying to win a game in the vacuum, which

852
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: is what they're gonna be trying to do, but it

853
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: just doesn't do anything for you and what helps you

854
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: win the game. But even in this matchup, I don't

855
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: know if it does because Justin Herbert is gonna score

856
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: points like Justin Hurt. We'll get to the I want

857
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: to get to that in a second. You know, the

858
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: matchup against Herbert, but Herbert's not gonna You're not gonna

859
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: hold Herbert to ten points. I don't think, not the

860
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: way the defense has been playing lately. And I know

861
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: they just held two teams to ten points, but it

862
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: was Tommy DeVito and Gardner Minshew. It's a little bit

863
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: of a different animal here. I think this is a

864
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: lot more dangerous for the Patriots in that respect. Let's

865
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: get into some of these phone calls and emails and

866
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: then we're gonna.

867
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: Do three up, three down. Eddie is in La. What's

868
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: that Betty?

869
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: So guys real quick. I mean you were talking about

870
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 4: the Spotify reps. You guys were number two on the

871
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 4: list for a podcast. You guys, PU was number one.

872
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: I'll allow it.

873
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 4: Also, Evan, I want to thank you for defending me.

874
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 4: I called on to PU on Tuesday, and I think

875
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 4: I was the first call. And I didn't hang up

876
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 4: on purpose.

877
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 6: It's just that my girlfriend.

878
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 4: Called me and as I was going to hang up,

879
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 4: she beat me to it, so I still ended up

880
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 4: clicking on the hang up and I tried calling back

881
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: but the.

882
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: Line was busy. All good, All good.

883
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 4: I want to talk to you guys because that little

884
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 4: trend of pairing the QB with wide receivers that they

885
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 4: know or like just have a connection with.

886
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 6: Like Burrow, Jamar Chase A. J.

887
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 4: Brown with Herds and so on. If we do take

888
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 4: a QB with this draft with the first round pick

889
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: or late second whatever, you see like any wider speaker

890
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: that could come that you know that they want there,

891
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 4: that they played with that thing.

892
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 5: Know.

893
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 4: That's how I offer you guys, love the show, Thanks

894
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 4: for everything, have a good.

895
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: One, Thanks Eddie, thanks for the call. There's actually two

896
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that that calls fives for in this draft important

897
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: to well there's more quarterbacks. So yeah, yeah, Michael Penicks

898
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: and Roma Dunsay, right say right, like I sai, I've

899
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: been saying it wrong, or Michael Pennix and Jalen McMillan. No,

900
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: Michael Penicks and Roma Dunsay. I don't know who James.

901
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's their number two receiver. I

902
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: don't know that you can get both of those guys

903
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: that you can get Penis in a dunsay. But that's fair.

904
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: So so Jaylen McGill is the number two receiver. He's

905
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: going to be like a Day two pick, right, that's fair.

906
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: So sorry, not McMillan. Polk McMillan's the third.

907
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk Pennis and A Duneesay is kind of that's

908
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: number one, I think in this class.

909
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: But the LSU guys are are right there too, right,

910
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: Elik Neighbors and Brian Thomas with Jane Daniels.

911
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Malik Neighbors is a really interesting player.

912
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: A little bit.

913
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say he's an interesting player if this is

914
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: the system that they're running. Offensively, he's kind of just

915
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: like Kwan Thornton. Honestly, the same with the Oregon kid

916
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: who we could also get to.

917
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: So Troy Franklin in Bonux that is now he got

918
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: three and if he comes out, Quinn yours and either

919
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy or Ady Mitchell would be another. There you go.

920
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: I have one more tube, but finish your points.

921
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: So I think Penix and a Dunezay is a good

922
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: one because those two guys not only stylistically fit each other,

923
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: but they're obviously putting up great production. But like you said,

924
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: Duneesay is probably gonna be a top twenty pick, I

925
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: would say, and.

926
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: He's got a real chance to be the second wide

927
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: receiver off the board.

928
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's gonna be him and Penix. Penix might

929
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 2: actually be the one you could get later at this point,

930
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: based off of just some people's opinion on Jaden Daniels.

931
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: There's a chance that Penix's QB four in this draft now,

932
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: and maybe there is a situation where you can get

933
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: a Duneesa first and then get Pennix. I don't know,

934
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: just golling through the permutations, but Daniels and uh, what's

935
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: his name again?

936
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: I Blake and then the LC receiver Molik Neighbors and

937
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Malik Tabors.

938
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: I thought it was Neighbors. I don't know why Milik Neighbors.

939
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: That one's intriguing. If it's one of these like Shanahan

940
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: or someone else is running this offense, right, if it's

941
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: an Eric b Enemy or somebody like that, I can

942
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: unlock a player like that. That's that's also an intriguing path.

943
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: I would say.

944
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna spread it out too and not

945
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: make them the one on two picks, you got Drake

946
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: May and tes Walker. Yeah, I like tes Walker. I'm

947
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: not sure he's gonna come out, but you have you

948
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: have Drake May and tes Walker. I guess I'll say

949
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: J J. McCarthy and Roman Wilson. I like Roman Wilson.

950
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: I do like Roman Wilson. Yeah, he's a good player.

951
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: If anything, he's the reason J J MC people like

952
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. It's his fault. Mike Evans, it's his that

953
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: great compan great Evan, you're on fire to that, right.

954
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: The one other this is this was the weird one

955
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: I had. I wouldn't do this. But let's say they

956
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: want to get super creative. And again this is talking

957
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: about spreading it out. You're not making them both your

958
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: top picks. Yeah, brock Bowers and Carson Beck.

959
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: Oh so you don't know, Like that wasn't what the

960
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: comparison you really think about, But that is, that's the

961
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: same thing.

962
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: It's just a tight end, right, it's a tight end.

963
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: But you take brock Bowers, you probably trade down a

964
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: little bit, take brock Bowers, and then late on day two,

965
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: early on day three, you take Carson Beck as a

966
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: project guy. You bring in a bridge player. But eventually

967
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: the idea is you're bringing that and I guess you

968
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: could do with Lad McConkie too, but I'm not a

969
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: big lat Ladd McConkie, and they're both too like brock

970
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: Bowers a stud lad.

971
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: There's like a Ladd McConkie, like guy on Alabama too.

972
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: What's his name, Jermaine Burton, Yeah, Jermaine Well, okay, no, no, no, no, no, no,

973
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: no no no.

974
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: Let me say this. Let me say this.

975
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: So Fred loves him some some Jermaine.

976
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: Burden because he's much better than Lad McConkie loves you

977
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: think he's better than I think he's better than mccakey. Yeah, yeah, no,

978
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: I really like I. I really like Burton, I do Lad.

979
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: Mcconkiey can run routes. He's got a little, he's gotta

980
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: he's got a little.

981
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: Jordan Nelson really good aat No, I don't. Yeah, he's

982
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson. Yeah, he's Cooper Cuppy. I don't want to

983
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: do this. He's not Cooper. Oh, so many people think

984
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: he's now, he's more vertical than that. So many people

985
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: like Cooper cup like can cut on a dot, bad cocky.

986
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: Lad McCaughey will never get a fair cop. He just won't.

987
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen, all right.

988
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: So to answer the callers question in a long window answer,

989
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: the answer is there's a lot of it there's.

990
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of weird how many. And I think

991
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 1: we're missing a couple too, Brendan Rice if he comes

992
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: out with yeah us Williams. Right, So USC has a

993
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: couple guys. Well, all the receivers are underclassmen, that's the

994
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: weird thing. So they have like a Pop Douglas look

995
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: alike as well. Yeah, I don't I don't remember his name,

996
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: but he was. He was really good last year with

997
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. A lot of those guys would probably end

998
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: up going back to school. Yeah.

999
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: So I remember last year watching USC film for for

1000
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison and wondering, oh, Who's who's this other receiver?

1001
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: Right?

1002
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: Because he had that jitter bug, you know, Pop Douglas

1003
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: type of skill set that the Patriots could use.

1004
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't.

1005
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: I think they already have that a little bit with

1006
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: with Pop obviously, but you know he's another guy that's

1007
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: kind of that gadgety slot, you know, jitterbug, quick kind

1008
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: of guy.

1009
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: There's a lot of it.

1010
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously the number one pairing just in terms

1011
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: of both being really good players is a Duneesa and Penny. Yes,

1012
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: but like you said, I agree, it's gonna be hard

1013
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: to do that. Now, when I say it's going to

1014
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: be hard to do that, this is I think something

1015
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: that we were talking about a little bit the other day.

1016
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: If it's a new regime, yeah, and we have to

1017
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: get used to new trends in the draft. A new

1018
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: GM comes in here, even if it's Matt grow and

1019
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: he has new final say, right in terms of these things,

1020
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots trading from let's say thirty five, yeah, to

1021
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 2: the late twenties to secure the quarterback that they want

1022
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: and get the fifth year option and all that kind

1023
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: of stuff. We have to start putting those types of

1024
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: things on the table.

1025
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: Now. Look, I don't think you can do that with

1026
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: Penis and a duneesay at least maybe if Panic falls.

1027
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: But if he falls, it's probably due to injured concerns.

1028
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: You don't want him, Like, these are two guys that

1029
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: are gonna go you know, ten and fift between ten

1030
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: and fifteen, I think. But okay, let me ask you

1031
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: another question.

1032
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if And I hate this scenario because I'm

1033
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 2: not mister trade down. Yeah, but in a wild world

1034
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: where you can trade down and I'll and get another

1035
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: first round pick back somehow.

1036
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: So This is the scenario I love right now, and

1037
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: of course things can change. You trade down with what

1038
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 1: are the third pick? Right now, we'll just use arguments eight. Yeah,

1039
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: you trade down from three to like seven. Yeah, get

1040
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels at seven, right. You then take you're not

1041
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: gonna be able to trade down and get two first

1042
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: round picks because there aren't really the only teams that

1043
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: have two first round picks are they're not within rangeree

1044
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: can make. That's a good point. Yeah, So but what

1045
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: you can do you trade down from three to like seven, yep,

1046
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: take jayde Daniels yep. And then you trade you use

1047
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: what you got from that move down to then move

1048
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: back up. And I don't know that you're getting a

1049
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: dune day, but maybe late Honestly, some of the tackles

1050
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: late in the first round, a guy like Marius Mims,

1051
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: a guy like Jason might be able to get neighbors

1052
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: the guy from Oregon State or yeah, maybe neighbors something

1053
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: like that. Like I I wouldn't hate that plan at all.

1054
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: Me neither, And some of that hinges on. And I

1055
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: know we're getting really deep into the drafts though, shocker,

1056
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: what the Bears do? I think the Bears, whether or

1057
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: not they go quarterback is massively influentially or yeah, but yeah,

1058
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate that planet you are as much as

1059
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: I hate trading down, because normally my rule is with

1060
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: trading down that I hate is that you're trading out

1061
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: of like the top tier players, right, Like, if you're

1062
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: trading down so far.

1063
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: For example, I know we killed the Cold Strange pick

1064
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: all the time, and I'm sorry to do this again,

1065
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: but when the Patriots traded down from their original pick

1066
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: to the Cold Strange pick, the biggest gripe that I

1067
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: had with it at the time, along with what they picked,

1068
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: was that they they traded out of the blue chip range,

1069
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: right they so they gave up a blue chip and

1070
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie essentially and traded the pick for Cole Strange.

1071
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: But in between they also missed like a couple of

1072
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: other blue chip type of guys like Tyler Smith for example,

1073
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: who's a good player for the Cowboys on their offensive line. Now,

1074
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: so the difference is now is that if you're trading

1075
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: from three to seven, you're still in the top ten,

1076
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: right yeah, Like you're still in the blue chip range.

1077
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: But in order to make me really happy, about that.

1078
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: You have to do it, you know. So that's what

1079
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: I have to.

1080
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: Trade back up with another pick.

1081
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: If you're trading down but you end up with two

1082
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 1: first round picks, that's a like nobody's going to complain

1083
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: about that.

1084
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: The other thing is, especially for a team that needs

1085
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: everything on offense.

1086
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: This board is really unique because of what's going on

1087
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: with the Bears, especially if they win a couple more

1088
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: games in instead of being at one and three, they're

1089
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: at like one and nine or one in ten. And

1090
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the two picks, not the record, because

1091
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: then it's you know, if they're at one and three,

1092
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna move one of those picks to a team

1093
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: that wants a quarterback. If they're at one and ten,

1094
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna take their blue chip player at one, and

1095
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: then they're gonna look to be moving ten. Yea. And

1096
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: that's where it change, just the outlook of it.

1097
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, DC is in New Hampshire.

1098
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: What's up? DC?

1099
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 6: Hey, guys A big fan since the early Pats beat days.

1100
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 6: Thanks looking to the draft is the most desirable way

1101
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 6: for the Pass to address the QUB and the Draft

1102
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 6: talks fund. Don't get me wrong, but there is one

1103
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 6: veteran QB who I'm intrigued by as a true answer,

1104
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 6: not just the stock gap. However, I think there's two

1105
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 6: big contingencies as I see. At one, I think there

1106
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 6: would have to be a new coaching regime because this

1107
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 6: guy would be off the menu based off what we

1108
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 6: know about Belichick's philosophy what he values in a QB.

1109
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 6: And number two, the Arizona Cardinals would have to be

1110
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 6: committed to going back to the draft room to be available.

1111
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 6: That's right, I'm talking about Kyler Murray as a New

1112
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 6: England Patriot.

1113
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 4: It's a fringe possibility, but I don't think.

1114
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 6: It's zero percent. Intrigues me. What do you guys think?

1115
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: Love the show?

1116
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, DC. I love Kyler Murray. I

1117
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: love the idea of Kyler Murray. He to me is

1118
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: good enough that I am willing to say that I

1119
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 2: had rather Kyler Murray than the unknown of the draft,

1120
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: because let's face it, we all liked some of these

1121
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the draft, but ultimately they all could be

1122
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson and Trey Lance, like, yeah, we have no idea.

1123
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray has played MVP caliber football in the NFL,

1124
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: that and he is a dynamic, dynamic.

1125
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: Town for an extended period of time.

1126
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: Though last year or it was no two years ago,

1127
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: right when they had the good year Arizona is two years.

1128
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: Ago when he threw twenty four touchdowns and even throw

1129
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: four thousand yards. Yeah, but he also how much deep

1130
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: run for he ran for five touchdowns.

1131
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: Two years ago, he was an MVP candidate and or

1132
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 2: like until that season.

1133
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking until like Thanksgiving. Yeah, he didn't even have

1134
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: thirty total touchdowns.

1135
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: He's still an MVP candidate. They were like eight and

1136
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: oh at one point.

1137
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I he's too small. I'll just say

1138
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: he's too small to playing the if.

1139
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: He didn't get hurt last year against the Patriots because

1140
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: he's too small. He got hurt at a non contact

1141
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: need no. But it's the wear and tear that comes

1142
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: with these guys. And there's so many of these smaller quarterbacks,

1143
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, We're seeing Bryce Young struggle that

1144
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: come in the league.

1145
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: And it's Drew Brees is rare. For Drew Brees was

1146
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: special for a reason. And anytime you find a quarterback

1147
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: under six to two, everybody wants to talk about Drew Brees.

1148
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: There's a reason there aren't a million Drew Brees is

1149
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: running around the league. He was never that overly productive,

1150
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: despite what the record showed. He's a little reckless with

1151
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: the football. I just I don't think he is. There

1152
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: a chance maybe you tap into it. Yeah, I just

1153
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: feel like now at twenty he's gonna be twenty seven

1154
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: years old next year. If he was going to be

1155
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: that guy, you would have seen it in more than

1156
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: just flashes. What it's gonna take to get him. If

1157
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are gonna go back in the carousel there,

1158
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna want them. They have other needs and they're

1159
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna want to take the quarterbacks. So you're gonna have

1160
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: to trade away your first round pick. They're picking two

1161
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: right now, so you would be asking them to trade

1162
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: down and give up Kyler Murray. So you're gonna have

1163
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: to give up that one and then something. I'm not

1164
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: giving up a first round I'm not giving up a

1165
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 1: top ten pick for a twenty seven year old quarterback

1166
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: coming off of Torney. Absolutely not. No, I'm not giving

1167
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: that up either.

1168
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: But that's what it's gonna take to get him. I

1169
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 2: don't know what that's what should take to it. Would

1170
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: it take a second this year and a first next year?

1171
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I would not give up a

1172
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: first round pick for because you know what, you know

1173
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. If they do that, they're gonna be

1174
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: what the Panthers are this year. No, they'll be better.

1175
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: He's better than Brendon behind this offensive line. But that

1176
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: but he's mobile, That's the whole point. He's but he's

1177
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: gonna get hit. Mobile quarterbacks still get hit.

1178
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: I just the reason why I don't rule it out

1179
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: is one, as you can tell, I'm a fan of

1180
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray's I think is a really.

1181
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: He's great in theory, but the number the number two.

1182
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: I also just don't want to rule out the opportunities

1183
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 2: for veteran quarterbacks in the league because, let's face it,

1184
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: even though it hasn't necessarily worked out, like Russell Wilson,

1185
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, those guys are moving now like it's.

1186
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: No longer this take. Because there was this the quarterbacks

1187
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: in the twenty tens. There was such a wealth of

1188
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: talent at the position that it became overrun. It became overrun,

1189
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: and you saw guys like Brady and Rogers in Wilson,

1190
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: in Manning, in Rivers in Ryan move those. Now everybody

1191
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: looks at that, and they look what Brady did for

1192
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: the Bucks. They I mean, I think they just assume

1193
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: what Rogers was gonna do for the Jets. The Broncos

1194
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: are even bouncing back now and they're saying, where's our

1195
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: guy like that that generations a quarterback. There's no more left.

1196
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: None of them are moving. So now everybody's like, all right, well,

1197
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: who's the top veteran. The top veteran now isn't what

1198
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: the top veteran was on the market two three, four

1199
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: years ago. Kirk Cousins thirty six years old, coming off

1200
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: the blown out of kills come out on him. Kyler

1201
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: Murray is is undersized coming off of bad knee, hasn't produced,

1202
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: and let's he hasn't produced. He hasn't produced in the

1203
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: level we're talking about him as an MVP candidate. He

1204
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: has not produced at that long.

1205
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: I was playing at a really really high rate two years.

1206
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: Ago for a small window. He wasn't even an all.

1207
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: Pro because they flamed out at the end, like you

1208
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: always blamed it on Cliff Kingsbury.

1209
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: Get more out of the court.

1210
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: That was always you, that was Cliff Kingsbury can't win

1211
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: the second half of the season.

1212
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: Well, he couldn't do that for Arizona, but still, I

1213
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: just let's forget his contract.

1214
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: So he couldn't do it at Texas Tech with Patrick

1215
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 2: Mahomes and he couldn't do it at Arizona with Kyler Murray.

1216
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: So maybe Cliff Kingsbury was the problem.

1217
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: His contract is. Murray's contract is absurd too, Let's not

1218
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: forget that. That's a big, big I'm not the favorite

1219
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: time his contract absurd. They have all the money in

1220
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: the world to spend. There's as many there's as many ifs,

1221
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: there's as many ifs when it comes to pick.

1222
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: Can we just agree that we cannot rule out trading

1223
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: for a veteran quarterback, Like if you don't if you

1224
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,479
Speaker 2: were Kyler Murray, that's fine.

1225
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm not going to let them doing it. I'm not

1226
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: going to do it in general. But I don't think

1227
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: there's a veteran quarterback available that you can look at

1228
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: as the face of the franchise. I don't don't think

1229
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's a guy is a potential face of the franchise.

1230
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't. So can they go out, I mean, can

1231
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: they go out and trade for a bridge? Sure? It

1232
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: just it worries me a little bit.

1233
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I'm totally out on it, but

1234
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: it worries me a little bit that not statistically speaking,

1235
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: it's kind of a coin flip on whether or not

1236
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: the quarterback you draft in the top ten is gonna hit.

1237
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: I think Kyler Murray's just as much of a coin flip

1238
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: I do. All right, all you love success rate, right,

1239
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: you love success rates? What's a good success rate for quarterback?

1240
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know. Honestly, Kyler Murray's season ending success

1241
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: rate throughout his NFL career has never exceeded fifty percent

1242
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: a season. His best was that that MVP year you're

1243
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: talking about in twenty one.

1244
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: I said, the first ten games, all right, of that

1245
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: season or whatever it was, when they start eight to

1246
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 2: nine and oh something like that.

1247
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: That's what I said. So okay, so hang on, if

1248
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: your quarterback, if you're a nine to zero football team,

1249
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: then your quarterback was probably playing pretty well. So this

1250
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: this now sounds and it's a different position, and I

1251
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: know that's what you're gonna tell me, But uh, it was.

1252
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: It feels like a few years ago now is a

1253
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: few months ago where I was talking about a ten

1254
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: game window to prove a player, and that was Kendrick Bourne,

1255
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: and you could not have hated that idea more a

1256
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: ten game window too. We are literally talking about the

1257
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 1: same time frame, Evan.

1258
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: We're talking about early in the twenty twenty quarterback and

1259
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: you're desperate for a quarterback right now, And like I

1260
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: just said, there is probably statistically, if you look at

1261
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: the course of the draft, there's probably just as good

1262
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: of a chance as that your quarterback is going to

1263
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: be Zach Wilson or Mac Jones, then he is going

1264
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 2: to be Patrick Mahomes like that.

1265
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: That's just the reality. So what I'm telling I think

1266
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: there's there's just a good off, not a better chance.

1267
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: You get, you know, this year, Kyler Murray, in second

1268
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: half of twenty twenty one, Kyler Murray, then you do

1269
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: get first half of twenty twenty one Kyle. That's fair.

1270
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: So if you're not say, if it's gonna be a

1271
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: coin flip, why pay the guy forty million dollars.

1272
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: Because I think it's a little bit more of a

1273
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: higher probability that Kyler Murray's good for you because it's proven.

1274
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: It's a proven commodity. You know what he wants proven?

1275
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: What what is he proven? He's proven that he can

1276
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: play good football in the league. He's been fine. He's

1277
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: never We're not gonna he finished over five hundred once.

1278
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: He's never had a success rate over fifty percent. He's

1279
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: never made the playoffs. He's never been an all problem.

1280
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: All right, What has he proven.

1281
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: More than what any of the quarterbacks in the draft

1282
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: have proven. He has proven that he can quarterback a

1283
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: team to the playoffs in the NFL. Has Drake made

1284
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: done that?

1285
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: Yet? When did he do that? Literally two years ago

1286
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: they made the playoffs. They did make play two years ago.

1287
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: You're right, So.

1288
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: None of these other guys have proven that yet. That's

1289
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: I am all for a drafting a quarterback early, but

1290
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 2: we have to we have to look at it realistically,

1291
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: like we have to look at it impartially.

1292
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: And that was it Cardinals team though for the record,

1293
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: that had Christian kirk yep aj Green was decent that season.

1294
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: They had DeAndre was yards all right, all right, they

1295
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: had they had DeAndre Hopkins. They there were a lot

1296
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: more pieces in place. Okay, let me give you two

1297
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: other guys.

1298
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna throw out at you because I don't

1299
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: hate this as much as you do.

1300
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford kind I kind of feel this. He's a

1301
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: little younger than cousins. I feel like that, what is

1302
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: it his shoulder, his elbow, he's got like tennis elbow.

1303
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: That worries me. Yeah, that worries me. Like as look

1304
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: as a bridge guy. If you're gonna draft somebody and

1305
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: you can get him for cheap to kind of like

1306
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: start the season be a mentor, I love that. I

1307
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: don't know that he's gonna do it. I don't know

1308
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: that you can get him for the cost to make

1309
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: that realistic. I'm not turning the keys to the franchise

1310
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: over to Matthew Stafford at this point. I mean neither.

1311
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: I think the Rams got him at just the right time.

1312
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: All right, I'll give you one more, and this one

1313
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: is is way less of a kind of star. If

1314
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: you want to put it. I know, Kyler Murray, I

1315
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 2: put it in their quotes for you, all right. Justin Fields, I.

1316
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: Just hey, what are you gonna have to get up

1317
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: to get him? I don't think you a ton to

1318
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: get him? I might.

1319
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: Obviously, the same scenario is the Bears restart and take

1320
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: another rude back, which I think is possible.

1321
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: I think it's very postzed. So my thing is like, okay,

1322
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: so you go from one, you go from having to

1323
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: rebuild one broken quarterback to another. And it's like Fields

1324
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: is more athletic than Max, so he has that. But

1325
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: I would do if you can get Fields in the

1326
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: way that the Cowboys got Trey lance Er, It's like, yeah,

1327
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna give like a fourth round pick for him

1328
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: and stash him and see what happens. I guess I'm

1329
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: not handing the keys over what I'm not saying, like stylistically,

1330
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: but in terms of what you have to do in

1331
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: terms of everything around them and coaching and adding players.

1332
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: What really is the difference between Justin Fields and Mac

1333
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: Jones At this point, they're both broken nothing. One has

1334
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more physical, one that more athletics. So yeah,

1335
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: I'll take a flyer on him if you want to

1336
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: bring him in, you know, you know, give up a

1337
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: Day three pick for him and bring him in and

1338
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: see if he can work with him. But I wouldn't

1339
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: be like, all right, we got Justin Fields, we're good

1340
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: at quarterback, Like, I really don't.

1341
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: Think because to your point, you know, just looking at

1342
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: as quickly glossed like are you know yeah across there's

1343
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: really not a whole lot out there right now that's

1344
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 2: gonna that.

1345
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: The other than those, the other one that I've heard,

1346
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: and I think everybody knows her I stand on this. Yeah,

1347
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: it's Jimmy Garoppolo.

1348
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: Oh god, I mean that's totally a different that scenario,

1349
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: thank you.

1350
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: Now.

1351
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: The only other one that I could realistically think of

1352
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: it is if the Lions decided that Jared Goff just

1353
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: isn't good enough to get that team over the hut?

1354
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: Can I give you it just might be a hot take.

1355
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Baker and Jared Goff. That is a

1356
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: very hot take.

1357
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: If for that role In terms of the bridge guy

1358
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: Baker's a free agent, correct, Yeah, No, as as the

1359
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 2: like Goff's older, Gos's twenty nine, what's Baker like twenty six? Yeah,

1360
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: Goff's played some really good football though, Ben John's tight,

1361
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 2: Like what if it's Ben Johnson?

1362
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and oh then then it's Jared Goff.

1363
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you take Jared Goff with Ben Johnson and

1364
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 2: then you drafted the day two guy to you know,

1365
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: be the next.

1366
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: Guy and do that. What do you what do you

1367
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: think of Baker.

1368
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: As I believe he's a free agent, Yeah, as the

1369
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: bridge guy and you know, the veteran bridge guy that

1370
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 2: maybe he starts the first half of the season because

1371
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 2: you want to break in the rookie. I'm fine with it,

1372
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: but he you would absolutely still be drafting a quarterback

1373
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: in the first round.

1374
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: I know nobody wants to see them do this, but

1375
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it out there. Let's say they don't

1376
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: like any of the quarterbacks in the draft and they

1377
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: want to do like a Cam Newton here where all right,

1378
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna just not not quite that, like they're gonna

1379
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: add other players in other positions, but they're like, we

1380
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: don't like any of the quarterbacks. If you want to

1381
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: bring in Baker Mayfield for a year, that if you're

1382
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: gonna do that thing where it's like, all right, we're

1383
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: just not gonna invest in quarterbacks this offseason. Yeah, we're

1384
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: gonna just load up a receive for the Bucks. That's

1385
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: essentially what the Bucks are doing with him right now.

1386
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: Like you, in terms of bridge guys, Baker's probably at

1387
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: the top of my list. Yeah, me, I would agree

1388
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: it's him and Jacoby.

1389
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I would put Baker number one as well.

1390
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: He's gonna cost more than Jacoby Brissett. Obviously, he's hading

1391
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: a pretty okay season for the Bus. You're not gonna

1392
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: sit here and say that he's gonna that. He's setting

1393
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: probably like fifteen million dollars one year. Fifteen million.

1394
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: What did they give Cam? They gave Cam like ten

1395
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: million for a year, right, I think it was less

1396
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: than that. I think it was like up to like

1397
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: ten right, Yeah, so factor in the flight, like Baker

1398
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: Mayfield could be your Cam Newton. Yeah, and you look

1399
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: at Baker two and their offensive coordinator who like I'm

1400
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: gonna butcher his last name.

1401
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: Uh, he's one of those like young rising candidates. I

1402
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: think he's still a little bit too green to make

1403
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: him a head coaches. I don't think he's only call

1404
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: plays for a year, so I probably wouldn't go that

1405
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 2: direction yet. But Baker Mayfield has had a pretty good

1406
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: statistical season. The Bucks are competitive. They're not a good team,

1407
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: but they're competitive. Uh, And he might be on a

1408
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: short list, Yeah, of can't.

1409
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: Dave Canais Canallis, Yeah, so what's injuring he he's only

1410
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: called well, he was this Seahawks passing game coordinator for

1411
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: two years. Yeah, so I don't think he was calling

1412
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: plays in that now. Shans been right. He was the

1413
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach in Seattle in twenty twenty two, so he

1414
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: was there for the Gino Smith. You know, kind the

1415
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: rest I got this job right now, he's gotten Baker going,

1416
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I probably too early to be a play caller,

1417
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: but he's an interesting name, and yeah, I wouldn't. Baker

1418
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: to me is just like I don't need to pay

1419
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray forty million dollars when I can go get Baker.

1420
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: And just Bridget were.

1421
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: Very disagree on'm Kyler Murray all right?

1422
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: Tyree is, well, you don't care about how you've made

1423
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: that well known now, and you don't think you don't

1424
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: think size matters to play the most physical sports, there

1425
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: is not.

1426
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: A quarterback because they it's literally flag football for those

1427
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: guys at this point until they get hit. Tyree is

1428
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: in Charleston, South Carolina.

1429
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: What's up, Tyree? What's up?

1430
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 4: Guys?

1431
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: How are you hey?

1432
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 6: I got two questions for you.

1433
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 7: The first one is I am still a Bill Belichick believer,

1434
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 7: and I love Bill Belichick, and I don't know if

1435
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 7: I'll ever get over Bill Belichick. How do you convince

1436
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 7: somebody like me to be ready and willing for another

1437
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 7: coach like to Rod Mayo when the unknown is way

1438
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 7: worse than the known? And then also, if your door

1439
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 7: standers comes out and you know is going to enter

1440
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 7: the draft, would you not take him?

1441
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call.

1442
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: Pick with a third pick, No, thanks for the call, tyree,

1443
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: appreciate it. To answer the questions in order, Yeah, Number one,

1444
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 2: With Bill, you say the alternative is not the alternative

1445
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: is not better than two and nine?

1446
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: Right?

1447
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: I would also say that's the thing, like, it's not

1448
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: no longer the alternative. Oh, like they went eight to

1449
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: nine like last year, or they won ten games but

1450
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: flamed out in the playoffs like the year before that.

1451
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: We're talking about two to nine football.

1452
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would also say too if you're like, all right, well,

1453
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: the talent's not there, and you know, once he gets

1454
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: the right talent, who's giving him the talent? Right? Bill?

1455
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: The coaching performances here maybe what pushed the conversation about

1456
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: moving on from Bill over the top he's in this

1457
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: spot because he hasn't done a good job building the

1458
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: roster as a general manager. And there are people who say, fine,

1459
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: then just make him the head coach and bring in

1460
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: a new GM. And if that was a realistic conversation,

1461
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: I think it would be a conversation worth having. He's

1462
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: not going to do that. Everything we know about Bill Belichick.

1463
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: He is not going to coach somebody else's players. It's

1464
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: not going to happen. So if you have to, and

1465
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: I hate, I've always hated, like bild a GM build

1466
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: a coach, But if you have to move on from

1467
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: Bill to coach to get rid of Bill the GM,

1468
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: you kind of just have to do it. That's Bill

1469
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: the GM is doing more harm than Bill a coach

1470
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: is doing good.

1471
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think at this point too, you know

1472
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: the other argument besides better than two and nine, you

1473
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: can do better than two and nine? Is that to

1474
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: your point about the GM directionally in terms of how

1475
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: they build the roster. This is actually what I was

1476
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: going to open with today until the whole Bailey is

1477
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: Appy things started. The Patriots at this point are actually

1478
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: trending towards I think being closer to Bill's vision than

1479
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: maybe the record reflects simply because they are number one

1480
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: in the league and stopping the run, they are trending

1481
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: upward and running the football.

1482
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: They've been really good running the ball the last month. Yeah,

1483
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: I have.

1484
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: Right, And although special teams are still a disaster, the

1485
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 2: whole point of tough teams cover kicks, stop the run,

1486
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 2: and run the ball, and that's that's their They got

1487
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: two or three, they got two to three. Yeah, And

1488
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 2: I think in Bill's mind he believes that they're losing

1489
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 2: games because of ball security on offense, and like they're

1490
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: losing games because they're losing them on the margins with

1491
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 2: ball security. The way I look at it is that

1492
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 2: they're losing games because they have to win a game

1493
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 2: of ten.

1494
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: Trying to win games thirteen to ten. The problem is

1495
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: they can't get to thirteen.

1496
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: Right, And I look at it and say, that's not

1497
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 2: a way to live in the NFL now. And if

1498
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: I'm moving on from Bill, it's kind of more of

1499
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: a GM thing, I guess. But the main reason why

1500
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: is because they need an organizational philosophy shift on how

1501
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 2: they want games to unfold, how they want to win

1502
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: football games. I'm not telling you that they have to

1503
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: be an offense that scores thirty five and they win

1504
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: every single game thirty five to thirty two. Like, they

1505
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 2: don't have to want that's what I want, But they

1506
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 2: don't have to be they want the defense to be horrible,

1507
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 2: but they need to be a team that is way

1508
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 2: more balanced than they are.

1509
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and again to go back to the question itself,

1510
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: like how would you sell somebody who still believes in

1511
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick on the next coach. I wouldn't try to

1512
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 1: sell you on the next coach. I wouldn't. And it's

1513
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: nothing against geried Mayo who used at the example, or

1514
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: it's nothing against Ben Johnson. But it is a tough

1515
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: sell because Bill Belichick, for what's happened the last two years,

1516
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: I still do believe this is the greatest coach of

1517
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: all time in this sport all time. Yeah, I do

1518
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: still believe that. So it is a tough self. What

1519
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: I would sell you on is he is not giving

1520
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: himself the players to maximize his ability. Somebody's got to

1521
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: come in into Like i'd sell you on the GM,

1522
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: I'd sell you on who's the guy from the Lions

1523
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: we talked about the other week. Their assistant GM Oh, yeah, hack. Now,

1524
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway i'd sell you on the terrible

1525
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: names this morning. For some reason, I'm selling you on

1526
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, when we get to camp

1527
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: next year, there's gonna be a wide receiver there that

1528
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: we're really legitimately excited about. Yea, when we get to

1529
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: camp next year, there's going to be a tackle that

1530
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: is a true, blue chip, perennial All Pro kind of tackle.

1531
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: I'd tell you that, Hey, the guys that they take

1532
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: on on day two and Day three are not going

1533
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: to be like two years on the bench and done

1534
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: here in New England. They're going to be playmaking, not

1535
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: going to make a different hunters, well, centers, they might

1536
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: be another kicker, but yeah no, but whatever position they play,

1537
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: they're going to be making plays. They're gonna be guys

1538
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: that we can get excited about. That's what I would

1539
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: sell you on. Yeah, I'm with you on that. All right,

1540
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: let's take a wait second part of question.

1541
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 2: First of all, has say he's he didn't play last week, right,

1542
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: because he's he's banged down.

1543
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: He didn't play last week. I don't think he's officially

1544
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: said he's going back to school but I believe Diana.

1545
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: He says that his son's going back to school. Yeah,

1546
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: if he did come out, I think he's a first

1547
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: round pick in this draft. You do, Yeah, he's probably

1548
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: in that like Michael Pennix range, like mid late first

1549
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: he goes back to school next year, he has a

1550
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: chance to be one one. But I just think he

1551
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: needs to show what he can do in a more

1552
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: controlled environment because that, and through no fault of his own,

1553
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: that Colorado offense was not controlled this year. Yeah.

1554
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 2: I worry about how it fell apart in Colorado this year,

1555
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 2: and I think that should or needs to prove it

1556
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 2: a little bit more next year.

1557
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: He's a really talented guy. I let you no, no, no,

1558
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: he'd still be a first round pick on his talent alone.

1559
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Yeah, if Travis Hunter is

1560
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: sitting there at one three, would you take Hunter?

1561
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1562
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: Is he eligible? No? I just been just as a hypothetical.

1563
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: He's a true sophomore. He's not actual. Oh uh, you

1564
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: you loved Travis Hunter back in back in the in's

1565
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: early fo.

1566
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's a corner I think, yeah, so

1567
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: I'd probably say no, just simply because of the position.

1568
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: Okay, but.

1569
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 2: Him and Gonzalez for the next ten years would be

1570
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 2: pretty great duo. Yeah, but yeah, I probably say no

1571
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 2: just because of the playing defense being right, fair enough,

1572
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 2: he's not a wide receiver. He's Marcus Jones in terms

1573
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: of that, like obviously is much better than Marcus Jones,

1574
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 2: but I.

1575
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: Mean he'll that's my point. Yeah, alright, that's fair. It's

1576
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: going to be.

1577
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: Five snaps a game if that, you know, in a

1578
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 2: package of plays or something like that. All right, Ryan

1579
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: is in Florida phone lines, so lighting up?

1580
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 1: What's that? Brian? Love it?

1581
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 8: Hey fellas the first time callers, So thanks for having

1582
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 8: me on problem, Alex. I think you're pretty spot on

1583
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 8: with the with the trade down trade up take. I

1584
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 8: think there's so much deep, high end talent in this

1585
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 8: draft because of all the COVID years and extra eligibility,

1586
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 8: that the high end first and second round talent in

1587
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 8: this draft is so high you have to draft as

1588
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 8: high as possible as much as possible. But my take

1589
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 8: is a bit more oriented towards that top three pick

1590
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 8: that it's becoming more likely that we're going to hold,

1591
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 8: and that's that. I don't think you can take Marvin

1592
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 8: Harrison's junior. And here's the reason why wide receivers drafted

1593
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 8: in the top five since two thousand have combined to

1594
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 8: win one Super Bowl. You know, we're talking like the

1595
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 8: Larry Fitzgerald's Andre Johnson's Megatron. The only one who's won

1596
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,480
Speaker 8: a Super Bowl in the last millennium is Sammy Watkins

1597
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 8: is the wide receiver three on the Kansas City Chiefs.

1598
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 8: There's just not a great track record of winning for

1599
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 8: top five receiver talent. In fact, over the last twenty

1600
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 8: five years, the only Super Bowl teams of the twenty

1601
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 8: five Super Bowl winners, only four of them have had

1602
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 8: a first round pick as their leading pass catcher. That said,

1603
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 8: thirteen of those teams have had Day two picks lead

1604
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 8: their team and receiving. And so my takeaway from all

1605
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 8: this is that you can't be using this high, high

1606
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 8: end pick on receiving talent, and teams that win Super

1607
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 8: Bowls win those Super Bowls off of hitting home runs

1608
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 8: on Day two.

1609
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 2: Okay, so, Ryan, I understand what you're saying, but you know,

1610
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 2: the great stats by the way came prepared.

1611
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and either way too. Can I just add real

1612
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,879
Speaker 1: quick draft as high as possible, as much as possible

1613
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: love that.

1614
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 2: So, how many top five quarterbacks have won a Super

1615
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 2: Bowl of this millennium?

1616
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: Ryan?

1617
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 8: A lot of them?

1618
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 6: And that's the big take.

1619
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 2: Top five quarterbacks have won Super Bowl this millennium.

1620
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 8: I mean, I couldn't tell you off the top of

1621
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 8: my head, but you know, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady combined

1622
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 8: for so many of them, Big Ben Aaron Rodgers. It's

1623
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 8: a lot of guys that might take away a.

1624
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: Lot of those guys are not drafted in the top five. Yeah,

1625
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is the only guy who just said there's

1626
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: draft in the top five.

1627
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1628
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 8: Okay, So so top five picks. I'd have to get

1629
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 8: back to you with research on that.

1630
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: Oh you're talking about like top five quarterbacks in the league.

1631
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 8: So talking about top five Yeah? Sure, sure, sure.

1632
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: So I'm talking about in the draft because this my point,

1633
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: I go. He's saying, you'd rather have an elite quarterback

1634
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: than elite I understand.

1635
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, But so top five quarterback in the draft, drafted

1636
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 2: in the draft, win a Super Bowl with his own team,

1637
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 2: not not go on like Matthew Stafford, right, and win

1638
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl with the Rams.

1639
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: Top five quarterbacks.

1640
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 8: This you've got Eli twice got Flaco.

1641
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: So no, the top five. No, Well you said top ten,

1642
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: I said top. I said top five, okay, because Mahomes

1643
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: was ten.

1644
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: So Eli I believe, And I big Ben might be like,

1645
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 2: was he like sixth or something like that, But I

1646
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 2: believe Eli might be the only one.

1647
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: I'm looking right now, I haven't found when yet there's

1648
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: a couple of ten.

1649
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 2: My point being is that I think narrowing it's not

1650
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 2: so much. Yeah, it's not so much to pick on

1651
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 2: your take, Ryan, My point is is more that to

1652
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: narrow it down just to super Bowl winners, it's too

1653
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 2: mall of a sample.

1654
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: Because Tom Brady won them all and threw off the

1655
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: numbers right right, it's too it's too small of a sample.

1656
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: So I hear you.

1657
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 8: But when you talk about all first round or pick picks,

1658
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 8: that wide receiver, only four, Only four guys, I mean

1659
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 8: those guys are Keyshawn Johnson, Marvin Harrison's senior plain No,

1660
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 8: yours to Maryus Thomas. We're the only first round picks

1661
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 8: to lead their team in receiving and win a Super Bowl.

1662
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: Your key, your your key point is right that if

1663
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 1: it's between drafting a quarterback or drafting Marvin Harrison the

1664
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: right picks a quarterback, Yeah, I and I don't. I

1665
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: think that's your core point.

1666
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you, and thanks for the call, Ryan,

1667
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you. My point being, though, is

1668
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 2: to go off the super Bowl thing. It's this, there's

1669
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 2: always like a handful of quarterbacks, as Tom Brady won

1670
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: seven in the last twenty three years. There's only a

1671
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 2: handful of quarterbacks to win a super Bowl in the

1672
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 2: last time.

1673
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: It goes a little further back, honestly, right, So so

1674
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: you can't who did we say the last one was

1675
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: to draft in the top five to win a super

1676
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: Bowl with his original team. I think it's you before that.

1677
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: You know his brother Peyton right before that. I don't

1678
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 1: even know Troy Aikman, Yeah, nineteen eighty nine.

1679
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more of like about that, narrowing it down

1680
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 2: to just super Bowl winners. It's really hard to do

1681
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 2: that because you have Brady, who won freaking seven, right,

1682
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 2: then you have guys that have won a couple like Eli,

1683
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: you know, players like that. Once you start to really

1684
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: think about it, how many quarterbacks have quarterbacked our team

1685
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 2: to super Bowls in the last twenty three years? It's

1686
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: probably not as many as you.

1687
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: There was that stretch for like fifteen years in the AFC.

1688
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 1: It was one of four quarterbacks in the Super Bowl, right,

1689
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: which was kind of absurd. So going back even I'm

1690
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: still going to know he was second round pick. Near mind.

1691
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: So all right, now I'm on l Way. We're like

1692
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks back in its l Way.

1693
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So top five quarterback this millennium. I heard

1694
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: this stat on the radio right on one of your shows. Actually,

1695
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 2: so okay, I didn't do my own research, so don't

1696
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 2: hold me to this, but top five quarterbacks this millennium

1697
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 2: to win a Super Bowl with the team that drafted them.

1698
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: I think Eli Manning is the only one. Well, no,

1699
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: we just went back the last three or Eli Payton,

1700
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, John Elway, those last four. Yeah, so you're

1701
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: talking about and I think all yeah, all four were

1702
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: first overall picks.

1703
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 2: So we're talking about like since the nineteen eighties there

1704
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: has been like four of.

1705
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: Well, now, Evan, now nobody's gonna let them to take

1706
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: a quarterback two through five because those guys don't win

1707
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowl.

1708
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 2: But my point is isn't about that. It's a waste

1709
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: of a pick because they don't win a Super Bowl.

1710
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: My point is is that you could look at that

1711
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: at any position, like you could go you could say, oh,

1712
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 2: at quarterback, only one guy has won Super Bowl in

1713
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 2: twenty years that was drafted by his original team in

1714
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: the top five. A wide receiver, there's only one. Now tackle,

1715
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 2: there's only this like it just is not It's not

1716
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: a good barometer.

1717
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: Of it, that's all. Yeah, No, you're you're right. Look

1718
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I don't think this

1719
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: is something that you can use those sort of stats

1720
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: to define. It's would you rather have an elite quarterback

1721
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: or an elite receiver? And there's no guarantee the guy

1722
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: you draft is going to be elite, And that includes

1723
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison juniors, fool proof as he may seem. But

1724
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: if we're talking about an elite quarterback, you're talking about

1725
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: an elite receiver. Who would you rather start building a

1726
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: team around. It's a quarterback. It's always going to be

1727
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,759
Speaker 1: a quarterback. That's just what the position is. Yeah, all right, Colleen,

1728
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: Which I ironically was I think what the caller's point

1729
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: was when we were fighting him the whole time. No,

1730
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to fight him. I know, I was.

1731
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: You're making a separate point. Yeah, yeah, all.

1732
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: Right, Colleen is in Houston. What's up, Colleen.

1733
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 5: Hey guys, So I have a question about ye wide

1734
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 5: receivers in the draft. So this past year, I remember

1735
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 5: Evan was super high on Jordan Addison and Alex was

1736
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 5: super high on Tank Dell that they didn't quite run

1737
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 5: the best forties and so they kind of like slid

1738
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 5: down your charts, but they're obviously excellent in the NFL,

1739
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 5: and meanwhile, Taekwon isn't. So I was just wondering how

1740
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 5: much you really should take into account the forty times

1741
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 5: versus like playtime, like seeing them on the field, they

1742
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 5: looked really quick.

1743
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah, good question.

1744
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 2: It's a really good question because even like a guy

1745
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: like Zay Flowers ran like a low four floor it

1746
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 2: wasn't like he was blazing fast, and he's been pretty

1747
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 2: good for Baltimore. I think ultimately, when you look at

1748
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: the forty, it's you're trying to prove what your eyes

1749
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 2: are seeing. With the forty's it's okay, this guy looks

1750
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 2: fast on film, is he actually fast? And there's definitely

1751
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 2: a difference with Taekwon's a good example between track speed

1752
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 2: and game speed. And there's definitely a difference between just

1753
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 2: being fast and a straight line and spandex at the

1754
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 2: combine and actually playing well playing with football. So how

1755
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 2: much do I put into I still think the forty matters?

1756
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 2: Do I think it matter? Is it the whole evaluation?

1757
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 3: No?

1758
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: It probably is a very small sliver of it at

1759
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 2: this point. But I still think that there is some

1760
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: translatable evidence of this guy plays fast.

1761
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: He is fast, He's a top prospect. It's more. And

1762
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: this is where I was with Tank Dell. And if

1763
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 1: people want to call his revision is history, fine, go

1764
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: pull the clip words. Otherwise I think I said this

1765
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: at the time, you know you were looking for or

1766
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: I was looking for Tank Dell, Like can he at

1767
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: the time he was projected like a Day two pick,

1768
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: like like a late second round or early third round pick,

1769
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 1: And it was all right, can he run a fast

1770
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: enough time to get into that like true top fifty conversation?

1771
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: And he didn't, And that's it. Can he show you

1772
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: as maybe another gear we didn't think he had. Yeah,

1773
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: he didn't run a forty where I like knocked him.

1774
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: But it wasn't where I thought he was gonna move up,

1775
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 1: and look, ultimately he went where he went. There's a

1776
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: difference between where we think guys are gonna go and

1777
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: the kind of players we think they'll be, and I

1778
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 1: think we lose track of that sometimes during the draft.

1779
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: Great example, we both think J. J. McCarthy's not an

1780
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. Yeah, I still think there's a chance the

1781
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: team takes him in the first round. Oh God, I mean,

1782
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: do you not do not so in the first round?

1783
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 5: No?

1784
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 1: Top fifty. Maybe I'll give you. I'll give a counter

1785
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: example too, Kaishan Boodie. Remember how high I was on

1786
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: him going into the combine and then he ran that

1787
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: horrible forty time we didn't know he was hurt. That

1788
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: was one where I was like, all right, Like I

1789
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: think you can run a bad enough forty where you're

1790
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: you're out on a guy. That's kind of how. I

1791
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: don't think that's what Tank Dell or Jordan Naddison did.

1792
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: They just didn't run the forty where it was like

1793
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: Because we go into the combine, and we talk a

1794
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: lot about this when we go into the combine and

1795
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: when we go into events like the like the Senior

1796
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: Bowl and the Trine Bowl. Can somebody boost their stock?

1797
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: This is where we think they are. Can they elevate?

1798
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 1: Can they show us something we don't think they have

1799
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: to elevate their stock. With Tank Dell at Jordan Addison,

1800
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: I think what happened was, all right, yeah, he's kind

1801
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: of guy we thought he was. I'm not really gonna

1802
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: change my projection. And when that happens, yeah, guys kind

1803
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: of fall to the side a little bit. It wasn't necessary.

1804
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's where'm out with it. I think the

1805
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: forty can hurt your stock more than it can help it.

1806
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of times where guys

1807
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: just run what we think they're gonna run, and it's like,

1808
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: all right, we don't talk about that a lot because

1809
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: it's not really sexy radio. Tank Dell, all right, I

1810
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: think you even said going in, Ye, he's probably a

1811
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: four to four guy. He ran a four to four cool,

1812
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: all right, he is what we thought he was. You

1813
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: move on. Yeah.

1814
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 2: I think that the two guys that I remember most

1815
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 2: recently with the forty where I was like, holy crap,

1816
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 2: these two guys are like blue chip stud prospects. Of

1817
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: the two Ohio state receivers Alave and Garrett. Well, yeah,

1818
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 2: those two guys I thought were gonna run mid four fours.

1819
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 2: They ended up running like high four threes. I think

1820
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 2: both of them. I think maybe Garrett Wilson was a

1821
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: four to four flat and Alave was like a four

1822
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 2: to three eight. And at that point I was like,

1823
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 2: holy crap, Like these two guys are just absolute all

1824
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: around studs, like freak athletes, great film, all of it,

1825
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: and they've been good pros. So I think it's more

1826
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: about confirmation than anything, or you always say confirming priors. Yeah,

1827
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 2: or to your point like flopping, you know, if you

1828
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 2: are in a terrible forty, then that that really does have.

1829
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: To change where But at that point, it's almost again

1830
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: with with with Booty, like it's so bad to the

1831
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: point where that's probably not the player he is. Something

1832
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: else must have happened, and then we found out he

1833
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: had a bad angle.

1834
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's do a three up, three down

1835
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 2: from the Giants game. Going going back here to the

1836
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 2: Giants not this was not an entertaining game to watch.

1837
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 2: I get that, but we gotta stick with the formula here,

1838
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 2: So Alex, I'll start with the ups. I have a

1839
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 2: new number one up, So congratulations the unseated Christian Barmore,

1840
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 2: who was my up I think for five straight weeks,

1841
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 2: so that's impressive. New number one up is Anthony Jennings.

1842
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,879
Speaker 2: Great game for Anthony Jennings. Two sacks, six quarterback pressures,

1843
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 2: two stuffs against the run. I thought watching live that

1844
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 2: he kind of just cleaned up on a few plays.

1845
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 2: I thought watching it back, he was more impactful than

1846
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 2: I even thought, and he was still impactful from what

1847
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 2: I had seen. He I think deserves some love. I

1848
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 2: think he deserves some flowers. As a player that's going

1849
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 2: into a contract year, is in a contract year, is

1850
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 2: going into free agency next offseason. He has quietly not

1851
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 2: pretty much been exactly what they want out of that position.

1852
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 2: And sturdy edge setter. He told me yesterday, don't put

1853
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 2: me in the run defense box right like I can

1854
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 2: pass it rush as well when they let me. And

1855
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 2: I think in general, he's a player that if you're

1856
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 2: in a if it's Belichick or if it's a Belichick

1857
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 2: adjacent scheme that you're in Drod Mayo's running the defense,

1858
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 2: you know something like that. I am interested in bringing

1859
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: back and Forriddy Jennings at this point, I think he's

1860
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 2: earned it.

1861
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely No, and they it's a severer conversation, but they

1862
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 1: should stay schematically similar on defense because they have enough.

1863
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: You have so much work you have to do on

1864
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: offense talent wise, that it's not you don't want to

1865
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: have to blow up the defense too. Basically, yeah, you're

1866
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: you're you're digging the whole deeper than you need to. Yeah. No,

1867
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: Jennings has been good. Jennings has been really good and

1868
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 1: definitely an extension candidate. I think if you were to list,

1869
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: we came in to camp just talking about three guys,

1870
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: really Doug or Uce, and if you were to list

1871
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: and add him to the list, the guys most want

1872
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: them to sign an extension. I still think Mike Win,

1873
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: who's at the top as a tackle, I don't need

1874
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: them extending him as a guard. As a tackle Aarony

1875
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: Jennings might be second on that list. Now, Kyle Duggars

1876
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: down season isn't entirely his fault. He was playing out

1877
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: of position for most of it. But if that's a

1878
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 1: position they want him to play, they probably should just

1879
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: go get a true free safety. You have Jabroll Pepper's

1880
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 1: playing the box. Jennings has done a great job this year.

1881
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: I think you said, like like sturdy, consistent, dependable, that's

1882
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: what they want. They just want a guy that they

1883
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: can put over there and they don't have to worry

1884
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: about that edge. That edge is gonna be set playing

1885
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: and play out. You don't need to fill up the

1886
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: stat sheet or anything like that. It's not going to

1887
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: be you know, eye popping, but you're just the job

1888
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: is done. And Anthony Jennings has absolutely been that guy.

1889
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's really played well against the run all

1890
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 2: year since he's gotten these opportunities basically since you know,

1891
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 2: Judon got hurt, he's been playing a lot more. He's

1892
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: among the league leaders and edge defenders and like run

1893
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 2: stuffs and and uh and stop percentage and things like that.

1894
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 2: Against the run, he's been very, very good against the run.

1895
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 2: And then this game he came alive a little bit

1896
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 2: as a pass rusher with uh them you know, getting

1897
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: h Tommy Cutlet's there to hold the ball a little

1898
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: bit more. Uh So, I I think that that he's

1899
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 2: one of those players too, and I I would like

1900
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,719
Speaker 2: him to kind of get away from this mindset as well,

1901
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: but you do need a middle class still, like you

1902
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 2: still want to have a strong middle class on your roster.

1903
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: And I think he's a perfect middle class can for.

1904
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: What he's gonna cost, Like you're not breaking the bank

1905
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: to sign Anthony Jennings, right, that's a solid for the

1906
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: the financial flexibility they have. That would be a solid signing. Okay,

1907
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: who's your number one? My number one up? And I

1908
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: know he ultimately got hurt? Was Pop Douglas for? And look,

1909
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: they didn't move the ball a ton in this game,

1910
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 1: and the offense as a whole was bad. When they

1911
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: did it was pretty much exclusively popped up on screen.

1912
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: And but look how Evan through the Wondale Robinson's and

1913
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: the Kadarius Tony's and how many years have we done

1914
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 1: this in the draft where I'm like, just get a

1915
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: guy that you can get the ball in space and

1916
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: get and I don't when I say Deebo Seamuel like

1917
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: kind of mean role. Obviously, Pop Douglas doesn't debos much bigger,

1918
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 1: he runs with much more power. But can you just

1919
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: get a guy doesn't matter how you get him the ball,

1920
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: You just get him the ball in space and allow

1921
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: him to create they finally after three or four years.

1922
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: As remember we did Isaiah Zuber, we thought might be

1923
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: that guy. That's how long I've been chasing this player

1924
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: in the Patriots offense. Yeah, I feel comfortable saying, like,

1925
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas can be that guy. I'm not saying he's perfect.

1926
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 1: He needs to work on his route running a little bit.

1927
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: But when there's gonna be a ton of changes to

1928
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: the offense, right, yeah, whatever the offense comes out looking

1929
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: like on the other side, Pop Douglas needs to have

1930
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: a role in that. He needs to. This is a

1931
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 1: modern NFL player who can create with the ball in

1932
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: his hands. He is a player the defense has to

1933
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: account for. When you get a true number one wide

1934
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: receiver where he's not the guy they're accounting for. He's

1935
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: going to become a very dangerous player. And you saw

1936
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: it briefly against the Giants. It kind of flash might

1937
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: up for him. Isn't so much what he did in

1938
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: this game, but it's what he flashed, just the potentially

1939
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: flash that I'm like, all right, you're not totally starting

1940
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: from scratch with the offense. Here's a player you can

1941
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: plug in and say, all right, we're gonna give this

1942
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: guy opportunities moving forward.

1943
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 2: So he's I agree with you, he is. If you

1944
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 2: start to try to list out who on offense is

1945
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 2: going to be a part of the next offense right

1946
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 2: the next wave, whether it's immediately, next year or whatever,

1947
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 2: he's on the list. He's on the list. I wonder,

1948
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 2: is he really like a three with really good gadget

1949
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 2: skills or can he truly be a number two receiver

1950
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 2: in this offense, Because in order to be a number

1951
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 2: two receiver, the volume is going to have to increase

1952
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: with the route running improving, and right now, with the

1953
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 2: route running, I'm sorry, I this is on Troy Brown.

1954
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 2: Troy Brown, do your job, Yeah, coach him up, like

1955
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 2: he clearly has separation talent, He clearly has explosiveness. He

1956
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 2: clearly is very good at the ball in his hands.

1957
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 2: The only issue that he has right now is mental.

1958
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 2: So get him in the room, get him on the film,

1959
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 2: Get him in the freaking you know, virtual room, I

1960
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 2: think is what they call it that they have where

1961
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 2: it's like a fifteen yard field and you just run routes,

1962
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: you know, the stam and the release and you work

1963
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 2: on that kind of stuff. Get him in the in

1964
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 2: the lab, and coach him up on reading leverage and

1965
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 2: breaking off and how to get open at the top

1966
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 2: of the route and all these different things like this

1967
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 2: is that's coaching. The fact that he's an air repeater

1968
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 2: on his route running is on Troy.

1969
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Brown, but that's his I guess more I'm saying is like,

1970
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 1: let's say they get a new wide receivers coach, right, Yeah,

1971
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 1: like he can get there. He saw flat We saw

1972
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 1: potential of him being an elite route runner in camp.

1973
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: That's so the frustrating part to me is that he

1974
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 2: is an elite route runner. Yeah, he is a very

1975
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 2: good route runner. He's mentally he's having issues. He's having

1976
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 2: IQ issues, he's having mental issues. There's no doubt in

1977
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: my mind that Pop Douglas is a separator and the

1978
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 2: stats back that up in terms of like the advance

1979
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 2: metrics and things like that. He's a very good single

1980
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 2: coverage separator. He creates a lot of separation. Yeah, but

1981
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 2: they need to figure out ways. And I also would

1982
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 2: put this on Bill O'Brien for the rest of the

1983
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 2: season figure out ways down the field because the screens

1984
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff is great, but it's

1985
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 2: not efficient. It's it can't just be that. So find

1986
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 2: ways to get him the all down the field and.

1987
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: They you know what, they were doing it earlier in

1988
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: the season. Remember the Jets game, they like pumped, they

1989
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: kept screening to him and then they went and they

1990
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: pumped and they had him go and he beat the

1991
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: corner and Mac underthrew it. Do you remember that? It

1992
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: was like right before halftimese Okay, do you remember the play?

1993
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm talking about it like it was right before that

1994
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 1: whole sequence. Remember I did a whole thing on the

1995
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: show about how the Patrons are bad, the Jets are bad,

1996
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: the rest is bad, the field was bad. It was

1997
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: always the blown PI, the blown p I call, Like

1998
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, Mac put him a position to come back

1999
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: for the ball, like he he can get there. And

2000
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 1: that's kind of my point is like there's so much

2001
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: potential with I don't know, maybe I'm just excited because

2002
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: there's finally a receiver here with some potential and that's

2003
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: what it is. And I got caught up in that.

2004
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 1: But I mean, he showed more in that Giants game

2005
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: than Taekwon Thornton shown in two years.

2006
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 2: I just think that it's important to me to say

2007
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 2: that He's a rookie, so to expect him to coach

2008
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 2: himself up on these things is that is missing the mark.

2009
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: But so again, and the reason I had him as

2010
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: enough is like still he continues to be the most

2011
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 1: productive receiver, tells you a lot.

2012
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 2: Okay, Number two up here Mike On winning. This was

2013
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 2: the best offensive line film of any offensive lineman for

2014
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 2: the Patriots all season long. He was dominant in this game,

2015
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 2: dominant in the run game, double team blocks with Cityso,

2016
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 2: who was almost on my uplist as well. I thought

2017
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 2: Citysow is really good in this game. City So is

2018
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 2: good like citys can play. I think he's going to

2019
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 2: be an NFL guard yeah, and has a future in

2020
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 2: the league. He might probably better than the other guard already.

2021
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: And wait, wait until he actually gets a full summer

2022
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:35,799
Speaker 1: working at guard instead of them trying to attack.

2023
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 2: He's he's really good. Uh, Mike On went in this

2024
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 2: game clean sheet and pass protection, no pressure is allowed.

2025
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 2: How much was he did he rap against Tiboeau a ton?

2026
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 2: Not a ton, but he had a few He wrapped

2027
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 2: against the other guy, mostly a Thibodeaux run rushes.

2028
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 1: That's what I thought, but I I meant to go

2029
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:53,600
Speaker 1: back and look at that. I like Thibodeau, so like

2030
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 1: holding that guy holds some weight. Yeah, clean sheet.

2031
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 2: Now, granted it was on a game script with like

2032
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 2: seventeen screens, but traditional drop back you can and that

2033
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 2: run game absolutely ridiculously dominant, absolutely dominant him and City.

2034
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 2: So on those gap schemes in the double teams is legit.

2035
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 2: They are legitly moving the line of scrimmage for like

2036
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 2: a month now with those two guys next to each other.

2037
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 2: Who is at the point, to me priority number one

2038
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 2: in free agency? He is their number one free agent

2039
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:28,719
Speaker 2: at the moment. I'm with you that he probably should

2040
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 2: be a tackle long term. I don't ultimately, though, resign.

2041
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 2: In terms of the re signing conversation, I don't think

2042
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 2: it matters.

2043
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't care. Well, no, but you have a right

2044
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 1: guard now unless wheready moving city to left, it doesn't matter.

2045
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 1: He's wherever you're gonna play him.

2046
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:49,879
Speaker 2: Michael Onwenu right now, I would say, has an argument

2047
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 2: to be made that he's an all pro offensive lineman.

2048
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: But if he's doing that at tackle, then you shouldn't

2049
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: be signing him. Okay, here's what I'm.

2050
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 2: Saying, is what I'm saying, I guess is that where

2051
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 2: he plays in the future, to me is a moot

2052
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 2: point just because it's getting bogged down and in semantics, okay, no,

2053
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:09,759
Speaker 2: you play him at tackle, you play him at guard.

2054
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 2: That's gonna be up to the next the next quote.

2055
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 2: But here, here's what I would say.

2056
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 1: And look, the next coach is gonna be here when

2057
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 1: they're doing the free agency sign Yeah, you can't. He

2058
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 1: seems like a smart guy. I assume he's a smart guy.

2059
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 1: I have no reason believe he's not a smart guy.

2060
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 1: If he's willing to accept any sort of guard type contract,

2061
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: he's an idiot, like he is a.

2062
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 2: He I think he will probably end up signing a

2063
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 2: deal that is inflated for the fact that he can

2064
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,560
Speaker 2: play tackle, and it's kind of in between the two markets,

2065
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 2: is my guest.

2066
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: So last year or this this year, like this current season,

2067
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 1: So based on the last signing period terms of aav

2068
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 1: the top five highest paid right tackles in the NFL,

2069
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 1: and maybe I don't know, they don't come in to

2070
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: top five. This is just to make the point. Yeah,

2071
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: average out to twenty two point eight million a top

2072
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: five right tackles, Top five right guards average out to

2073
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: sixteen and a half, so you're talking about a significant

2074
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:05,520
Speaker 1: difference in the value of those contracts.

2075
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 2: So I think he's good at use those numbers. I

2076
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 2: think he'll be at eighteen. He will be right in

2077
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen Sandwich right in the now.

2078
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 1: Chris Linstrom makes twenty so would make him the second

2079
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: highest paid right guard. Yeah, and I think it be

2080
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: like fourth or fifth highest paid right tack. Look, he's

2081
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 1: a tackle. It's a premium position. I know what you're saying, like, yes,

2082
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 1: just get the talented player back in the door. Yeah,

2083
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 1: but no, it shouldn't. Could be just playing wherever you

2084
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: have a good right garden City, so you do not

2085
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,759
Speaker 1: have a right tackle, you probably don't have a left tackle.

2086
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 2: You need to add to pack because at the end

2087
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 2: of the day, it's up to the player. I'm sorry,

2088
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 2: I understand we all want Mike on Winning to play tackle.

2089
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: I get it. Why wouldn't he want to play tackle?

2090
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: He gets paid more because he's a guard. He That's

2091
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 1: the thing.

2092
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 2: Remandra Stevenson taught to us on Monday and he was

2093
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 2: asked about Mike on WINNU and he said, he's a

2094
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 2: guard at heart. The play feels like he's a guard.

2095
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,719
Speaker 2: That's the bottom line, and at the end of the day,

2096
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 2: they have to.

2097
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 1: Do right by the player.

2098
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 2: If mike on win Who thinks that he that he's

2099
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 2: a guard and he wants to play guard long term,

2100
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 2: then he deserves the right to have a say in this.

2101
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 2: And I think so many people just say, oh, well,

2102
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 2: he should be a tackle because that's what's best for

2103
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 2: the team, and that's what all the fans want. And

2104
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 2: I'm with you, guys. It is what's best for the team.

2105
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 2: That's why he's out there. Yeah, right. But the bottom

2106
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 2: line is if you're signing him back for a four

2107
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 2: or five year mega contract in the offseason, the player

2108
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 2: is gonna have a say on where he plays. And

2109
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 2: if mike on win Who goes to this regime the

2110
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 2: next regime and says, I'm playing at guard, that's the

2111
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 2: only spot I'm playing at, then yes, they can take

2112
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 2: a little bit off the contract and say, okay, well

2113
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna pay you like a guard. Then my guess

2114
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 2: is where they'll settle is that he either is gonna

2115
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 2: have escalators in his contract incentives in his contract if

2116
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 2: he does have to start games at tackle, or he's

2117
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 2: gonna be right sandwich in the middle between the two markets.

2118
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 1: I just doubt. Oh, I guess there really is no

2119
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 1: tackle to pay. But I would say at that point,

2120
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: take the money, give it to a full time tackle,

2121
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 1: because you have a right guard sit now.

2122
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 2: So I would pay Mike on winning because again, this

2123
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 2: is the mistake you made.

2124
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 1: You advocating paying for a guard.

2125
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 2: Yes, because this is the mistake that you made with

2126
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 2: Joe Toney. You you made this exact mistake. You could

2127
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:23,680
Speaker 2: have had Joe Toney and Mike on Wenu as your

2128
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 2: two guards with David Andrews at center for this whole regime.

2129
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 2: And when I say regime, I mean like the Mac

2130
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 2: Jones era. How much better off would you have been

2131
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 2: as a team. And they they let Joe Tony walk,

2132
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 2: who was a guy they identified, they developed and is

2133
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 2: now gonna win First Team All Pro with the Kansas

2134
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 2: City Chiefs. Great freaking job. And now they're gonna do

2135
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 2: the same thing with Mike Onwenu. They're gonna say, oh,

2136
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 2: he's a guard. We already have a guard. We drafted

2137
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 2: these guys, you know, early in the draft. We drafted

2138
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 2: City so and he's pretty good. We drafted col Strange

2139
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 2: in the first round. Baloney, I just wanted to get

2140
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 2: a player them. You did it with Joe Toney, and

2141
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 2: you created a whole for yourself, and now here you are.

2142
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 1: I would say this, if giving him, if you need

2143
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: to give him a little more money to get him

2144
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 1: to pick play tackle, do it. I would just I

2145
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, like, he may want to play guard,

2146
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 1: convince him to play tackle. Financially, however, you have to

2147
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 1: do it. Convince him to play tackle, because it's all

2148
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: so much easier, so much easier if you bring him

2149
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: back as a tackle. All right, who's your number two?

2150
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 5: Up?

2151
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 1: My number two? Again? I don't really just put him

2152
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: in the order. I just kind of look at them.

2153
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 1: You got to put him in order. I got to

2154
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: put him in well, all right, shocker moch brill Peppers again.

2155
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I figured you would, so I didn't.

2156
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I kind of did the same. I figured you do.

2157
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: Want Winn. Yeah, he's he's just good, man, He's just good.

2158
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 2: He's the best run defense safety in the NFL.

2159
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: He's the best run defense safety the NFL. He's blowing

2160
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:51,799
Speaker 1: up Saquon and pass pro. He's making plays and coverage

2161
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: down the field. This is the guy that we saw

2162
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: coming out of Michigan when we thought he was gonna

2163
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 1: be a top ten pick. He's legitimately a top ten

2164
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 1: safety in the NFL right now. He's probably their best

2165
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl Pro Bowl case. And look, I'm not super

2166
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 1: familiar with all the safety player around the league. He

2167
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 1: should at least be a fringe All Pro candidate, not

2168
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: necessarily first team, but.

2169
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 2: So at his position. Yeah, that strong safety position. Kyle

2170
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 2: Hamilton is Kyle Hamilton's been acting an unreal year for

2171
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 2: the Ravens and he's gonna win it just simply because

2172
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 2: the Ravens are a better tea.

2173
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: I was forget, do they do third team All Pro?

2174
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: Is that All American? It's only second team? All right?

2175
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 1: So maybe he falls out, but he should get votes.

2176
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:28,680
Speaker 1: He should get some votes. He should get a couple

2177
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: of votes. Yeah, he's just that. That's a guy you

2178
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 1: keep around. And again he's kind of made Cayle Dugger

2179
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 1: a little expendable. He's a good player. I just I

2180
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: think they really found something that you talk about, like

2181
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 1: classic Bill Belichick, what he did well. He found a

2182
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 1: guy with tremendous ability who wasn't being used right, brought

2183
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:47,599
Speaker 1: him in, put him in a spot to succeed, and boom,

2184
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: look at what's happening. This is like Bill Belichick one

2185
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 1: oh one masterclass what he's done with Shabrill Peppers. Where

2186
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 1: the Bill's here or not. I think he keeps going.

2187
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 1: He's also got that's bought in in the locker room,

2188
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 1: looks like a leader. All of that. Just again, every game,

2189
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 1: no matter what's going on, whether the offense playing bad,

2190
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 1: the defense is playing bad, this is happening, that's happening whatever.

2191
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: Dabrill Pepper all Jabrill Peppers always makes three or four plays.

2192
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 1: He just always does, no matter what else is going on.

2193
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 1: That on a two and nineteen speaks volumes to me.

2194
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 2: So the reason why I almost had him, he was

2195
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 2: like my fourth guyss list was all the reasons that

2196
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:24,600
Speaker 2: you said. He also bailed out J C. Jackson on

2197
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 2: a coverage bus because jack.

2198
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 1: We'll get I'm sure we'll get the Beau, we'll get

2199
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 1: to Jackson in trust me. But J C.

2200
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 2: Jackson played man to man again when it was zone,

2201
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 2: and the receiver noticed it and just kind of ran

2202
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 2: like a little stutter and go and just broke up

2203
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 2: the field and Jabreel Peppers had the flat in cover three.

2204
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 2: Jabriel Peppers sees it happen and peels off the flat,

2205
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 2: gets deep on the deep third and basically replaces J. C.

2206
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 2: Jackson in the zone and says, well, you're supposed to

2207
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 2: be there, but you're not, So I'm just gonna go

2208
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 2: there and say it's a touchdown. Like those are the

2209
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 2: little plays that don't end up on the stat sheet

2210
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:02,759
Speaker 2: that Jabriel Peppers is also making. He's a really smart player.

2211
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 2: We obviously know he's a really physical player. Yeah, he's

2212
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 2: part of this, like he's part of the rebuild. I

2213
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 2: think as well, I'll give up. I gotta put Christian

2214
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 2: Barmore on my list somewhere. Yeah, guy's kind of just

2215
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 2: I think we said last week we were just going

2216
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 2: to retire. Putting Christian Barmore on this one. Probably she'll

2217
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:21,879
Speaker 2: further notice. He's up another four quarterback pressures, another two run, stuffs,

2218
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 2: a batted pass that saved another first down. The guy

2219
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 2: is a freak, Like he's just all over the field.

2220
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 2: It's awesome to watch, Like for a team that's two

2221
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 2: and nine, I I it breathes life into him.

2222
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,600
Speaker 1: He said in free agency this offseason, Mike go and

2223
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 1: win number one as an internal free agent. I don't

2224
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 1: just scree with you on that. Yeah, but you also

2225
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: have another group of guys coming up for contract extensions. Yeah,

2226
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 1: Mike go and win or Christian Barmore. You can only

2227
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 1: pay one. Only pay one? Why? I don't know, because

2228
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 1: I just want to put in a press. God, who

2229
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 1: are you paying first? Who are you paying first? On winning? Okay?

2230
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:58,719
Speaker 2: But Christian Barmore to me, is is a top extension candidate,

2231
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 2: Like he like that should get done in the offseason.

2232
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 2: He's phenomenal. Like we're talking about a guy that's been

2233
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 2: playing basically top five to ten at his position for

2234
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 2: like six to seven weeks. Yeah, every single game, he's

2235
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:12,600
Speaker 2: just unstoppable.

2236
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 1: Keep the keep the Bama guys together, keep him and

2237
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 1: Jennings together. I think he's fantastic. My third again, this

2238
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 1: is kind of just a rookie flash thing. But again,

2239
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 1: it was like they didn't play well. Keon White got

2240
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 1: a sack in this game, got his first sack, came

2241
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 1: back on the next play, delivered a big hit tackle

2242
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 1: on a third down stop throwing a short Yeah, Keon

2243
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 1: White's a guy, I kind of sometimes I just picked

2244
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 1: these is like jumping off points to talk about players. Yeah,

2245
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 1: if you can't tell Keon White had that really good summer.

2246
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 1: Started the year playing well. He didn't record any sacks,

2247
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 1: but remember how all over Jalen Hurts he was in

2248
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:44,600
Speaker 1: the opener and things like that, and then he got

2249
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 1: that concussion against the Raiders and it felt like he

2250
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 1: had a couple of weeks where he just wasn't quite himself.

2251
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 1: He was getting back into shape. Yeah, I thought he

2252
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: popped a little bit against the Colts, had a good

2253
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 1: game in this game on top of the sack. I

2254
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 1: just he stood out a couple other times. And this

2255
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 1: is a guy with Matthew Judon out, with Josh Ucha

2256
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 1: not necessarily playing standout football. You gotta figure out what

2257
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:06,640
Speaker 1: your future is going to be at edge rusher. And

2258
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 1: you know, because Oo jays an unexpiring contract, Judon will

2259
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 1: come back. But he's in his thirties. I think they

2260
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 1: can get out of his contract with no dead money.

2261
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 1: He's coming off significant injury. Like edge rusher is a

2262
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 1: sneaky need for this team can add it to the list.

2263
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean it is. I know you're annoyed by it, but.

2264
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:23,680
Speaker 2: It is I'm annoyed by it because they've invested so

2265
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 2: much right and they still have nothing to show for it.

2266
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 1: Well, so what I would say is, can Keon White

2267
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 1: kind of show us here down the stretch? Can he

2268
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 1: get back to the player he was in the first

2269
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 1: half of the year before he got hurt. And I'm

2270
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 1: not saying he totally absolves the need at that position,

2271
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 1: but it would be nice.

2272
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 2: If, you know, going in like him and Jennings book ends,

2273
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 2: maybe Judon's.

2274
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 1: Back, Like, Hey, we've got Keon White in our back

2275
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,600
Speaker 1: park pocket. This is a guy that can at the

2276
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 1: very least be like a top three rotational edge guy

2277
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 1: for us. Is going to cause some problems if we

2278
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,759
Speaker 1: put him in the right situation. So I said before

2279
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 1: the bye, He's a guy that I think you're gonna

2280
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,840
Speaker 1: look at very closely. Down the stretch. Yeah, good start

2281
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 1: for him against the giant, Yeah good.

2282
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 2: Rush on the sack, yeah really good, RuSHA good you know,

2283
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 2: use his length and turned the corner a little bit.

2284
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 2: I think the one thing with Keon White is just

2285
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 2: you have to is is he a hand in the

2286
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,679
Speaker 2: dirt guy? Is he a stand up guy? He could

2287
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 2: be a tweeter, and he could be bold, but that

2288
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 2: complicates things, especially if it's not Belichick. You know, Belichick's

2289
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:18,640
Speaker 2: really good with those types of guys, you know, the

2290
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 2: Trey Flowers types that can do a little bit of everything.

2291
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 2: That's gonna be something that they're going to have to

2292
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:25,720
Speaker 2: figure out. All right, let's go over to the to

2293
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 2: the downs. I think we don't have to.

2294
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 1: Rag on Mac anymore. Max on my down list, but

2295
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 1: we've we did that on the top of the show.

2296
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 1: Max on the down list for obvious reasons. We do

2297
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:36,679
Speaker 1: need to talk about j C. Jackson.

2298
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 2: Yes, And as much as Mac Jones deserves against benched,

2299
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 2: j C. Jackson's right there with him. This was a

2300
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 2: really really rough game for j C. Jackson one hundred

2301
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 2: and seven yards in coverage allowed, but it could have

2302
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 2: been way way worse, Like he had a few other

2303
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 2: plays where he was beat for big plays. Again, I

2304
01:43:55,600 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 2: wonder where he is physically at this point. He had

2305
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 2: that really really bad knee injury with the Chargers. What

2306
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:06,679
Speaker 2: was it, like a ptell attendant or a knee cat Yeah,

2307
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 2: like that. Those are brutal, brutal injuries, and on top

2308
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 2: of the fact that you have to wonder where his

2309
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 2: focus is at. That's obviously I think number one is

2310
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 2: where is his head? But number two I think, uh,

2311
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if he runs the same way that

2312
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:23,759
Speaker 2: he that he did put pre knee injury, and maybe

2313
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 2: that isn't going to come back, or maybe it's it

2314
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,080
Speaker 2: comes back next year with a full year removed. But

2315
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 2: this was a horrible film for him, not only just

2316
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 2: the yards he actually gave up, but the arts he

2317
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 2: could have given up. And he continuously busts coverages, like

2318
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 2: every single week he's playing man when it's zone. He's

2319
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 2: not playing his responsibility. Just he's all over the place

2320
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 2: right now. I think he needs to be sat down.

2321
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 2: At least Sean Wade, Sean Way has been like sneaky. Okay,

2322
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:51,720
Speaker 2: Sean Way is nowhere near as talented as J. C.

2323
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 2: Jackson is just in a in a vacuum.

2324
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 1: But at least Sean Wade is where he's supposed to be,

2325
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 1: right And I think that that's a Sean Wade, my

2326
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 1: Bryant Jonathan Jones is probably your best three right now.

2327
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 1: I mean you're not wrong, yeah with jac And it's

2328
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 1: not like he got torched by some elite wide receiver. Right,

2329
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 1: that was Hylot's Hyatt's career high. Jaylen He's a rookie,

2330
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 1: but I mean it was it was against Remember, like

2331
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 1: in the draft, the whole thing was he had that

2332
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 1: four touchdown game, two hundre fifty yard game against Alabama

2333
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:20,680
Speaker 1: and that was the whole You know, that's the guy

2334
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,639
Speaker 1: you got. But Jalen Hyatt runs one route, He runs

2335
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 1: a go. That's it. And so that shouldn't for a

2336
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,559
Speaker 1: guy like jac Jackson wants to ballhawk. That should not

2337
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 1: be a tough guy to cover. And it does feel

2338
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 1: like he's pressing. It does feel like he's trying to

2339
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:34,799
Speaker 1: do too much at that position. Right now, he hasn't

2340
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:38,080
Speaker 1: been good. Yeah, I think another sneaky need for this

2341
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 1: offseason corner because I can't imagine jac Jackson is going

2342
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:43,679
Speaker 1: to be back at fourteen million dollars boundary corner. Specifically

2343
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:46,599
Speaker 1: you have Christian Gonzalez, I guess Jonathan Jones, but then

2344
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 1: who Yeah, So yeah, it's.

2345
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 2: It's been rough and it with j C. You can

2346
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 2: live with some of the plays he was giving up

2347
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 2: in the past because he was making plays on the ball.

2348
01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 2: Now he had the one pass breakup, so I'll give

2349
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 2: him that. But in the past, that one pass breakup

2350
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 2: used to be a pick, right, and now it's not

2351
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 2: even that. It was just it's really rough for him,

2352
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 2: and and he's just not he's not tied into the defense.

2353
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 2: And in this game, if J. C. Jackson was like

2354
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,639
Speaker 2: a starting caliber corner, they they.

2355
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 1: They probably win. They probably probably went, yeah, all right,

2356
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:25,719
Speaker 1: next next Taekwon Thornton. Yeah, that's fair there. They benched

2357
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:27,599
Speaker 1: him a couple but he gets hurt start to season,

2358
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,559
Speaker 1: comes back as bad, gets benched. Now he comes back again.

2359
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 1: It's like the door is wide open. Yeah, the door

2360
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 1: fiftieth overall pick. The door is wide open for him

2361
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 1: to show something and make some plays and be a

2362
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 1: part of this plan going forwards. He's got no guaranteed

2363
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 1: money next year, so he's got to give the team

2364
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: a reason to keep him, especially it's gonna be a

2365
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:49,640
Speaker 1: new coach, new regime that didn't draft him, and he

2366
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:52,640
Speaker 1: had a the the third down slant could have been

2367
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 1: a better throw for mac Jones, but it's catchaball. It's

2368
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: a it's an awful route. It's it's it's the route

2369
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 1: is the worst part of that the route. Okay, So

2370
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: look beyond that. This is just every football coach will

2371
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: tell you this. Any football coach, Worth Dan will tell

2372
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 1: you this. If the ball hits both your hands, you

2373
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 1: should catch it. The route is Is that why it

2374
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 1: ends up so far behind?

2375
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2376
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: Because so he with Taekwon.

2377
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 2: You know, you're running a slant against against off coverage

2378
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 2: right right, So the first thing that you gotta do

2379
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 2: is you got to push vertical off the line of scrimmage.

2380
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 2: You're not pressed, so you can just speed release, like

2381
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 2: just release go. He does this like little shimmy, then

2382
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 2: he goes. Then he gets to the top of the route,

2383
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:34,400
Speaker 2: does another little shimmy, and then he cuts like just

2384
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 2: explode off the line, use your speed, get the corner on,

2385
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:39,599
Speaker 2: you know, to turn his hips up the field and

2386
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 2: cut underneath right Like that's it's the simplest route if

2387
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 2: he I think Taekwon is a really frustrating player because

2388
01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 2: his speed plays on film. He's fast, he is, but

2389
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:55,639
Speaker 2: the route running is so bad that there's nothing to respect, right,

2390
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,160
Speaker 2: so it dbs do not respect anything he does. And

2391
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 2: he can't really catch the ball either. He struggled with

2392
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 2: his hands. So it's pretty important thing kind of just.

2393
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 1: Keep him in front of you and when the ball comes,

2394
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 1: get hands on him and'll struggle to catch it through contact.

2395
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:12,599
Speaker 1: That's kind of the book on him. So again you're

2396
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 1: gonna have Parker. We'll see what happens with him, but

2397
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:17,559
Speaker 1: he hasn't been good this year. Jujuism a good who

2398
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:19,920
Speaker 1: knows if he's part of the playing Kendrick Bournes as

2399
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,280
Speaker 1: much as I like him, is on an expiring contracts

2400
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 1: coming off of torn acl and then Pop is like

2401
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 1: he's not he is what he is right, There is

2402
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 1: so much room for Taekwon Thornton to grab this role

2403
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:35,000
Speaker 1: and he just can't literally and figuratively can't can't grasp it.

2404
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 1: And look, he'll probably get more chances down the stretch

2405
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:40,600
Speaker 1: here just because they need to put wide receivers on

2406
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 1: the field. But it's like if there was I was

2407
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 1: kind of ready to write him off in camp. But

2408
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:48,680
Speaker 1: if it's like, come on, show me something, show me

2409
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: something while you were top fifty, it's fair to say.

2410
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 2: And I kind of get to this point sometimes with

2411
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:57,160
Speaker 2: Taekwon two where it's like if you drafted him to

2412
01:48:57,240 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 2: be the third down chain moving receiver and like why

2413
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 2: is he here?

2414
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 1: And I think that's free.

2415
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:04,680
Speaker 2: But at the same time, as a guy that's that

2416
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 2: is going to be a vertical threat and is going

2417
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 2: to take the top, you have to be able to

2418
01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:13,799
Speaker 2: run a slant because that's what keeps the defensive back honest.

2419
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 2: Like otherwise, the defensive back has nothing else to worry

2420
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:19,759
Speaker 2: about besides you running by him. So if he can't,

2421
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 2: you have to establish a first level route. All of

2422
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 2: those those deep threat guys, whether it's a deep threat

2423
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 2: guy like Dez Bryant or it's a deep threat guy

2424
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 2: like DeShawn Jackson, regardless of what kind of way you

2425
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 2: get there, whether it's you know, contested size or it's speed,

2426
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:38,959
Speaker 2: everybody has a first level route. Like des was excellent

2427
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 2: at running slants, right like that that was his big one.

2428
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 2: DeShawn Jackson was an excellent shallow cross guy like those

2429
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 2: are the types of routes that they would run at

2430
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:49,960
Speaker 2: the first level so that not everything was just running

2431
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 2: by you and that would set up the run by

2432
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 2: you routes. Yeah, Taekwon doesn't have a base route tree.

2433
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 2: He doesn't have two or three routes that he can

2434
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 2: run consistently, and that's why he never gets open all Right,

2435
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:04,679
Speaker 2: last couple of downs here I had, like, there's a lot. Yeah, okay,

2436
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 2: uh gas sicky, just not on the same page with

2437
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 2: the quarterback running bad rats my guy cole Strange. Another

2438
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:16,679
Speaker 2: four quarterback pressures allowed good pick, but the biggest one

2439
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 2: out of all.

2440
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna be surprised by this, No, I think I

2441
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:21,480
Speaker 1: know you're gonna say.

2442
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 2: It's so egregious that I have to put Chad Ryland

2443
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:24,720
Speaker 2: on the back. I mean, how could you not like

2444
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 2: I and for me to put a kicker on the downs?

2445
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 2: You know that it was that bad. Not only did

2446
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 2: he miss the thirty five yard field goal, which is

2447
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 2: just inexcusable as an NFL kicker, they also wouldn't kick

2448
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 2: the fifty four yard field goal because they don't trust him,

2449
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:41,839
Speaker 2: so he basically took six points off the board, including

2450
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 2: the points that what should have set the game into overtime.

2451
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:48,559
Speaker 2: There's I understand that this team has bigger fish to

2452
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:51,840
Speaker 2: fry than replacing the kicker, and but them working out

2453
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,759
Speaker 2: kickers this week and signing a kicker to the practice

2454
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:56,440
Speaker 2: squad is so warranted, Like it's embarrassing.

2455
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 1: Look, you say they have bigger issues, but this is

2456
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 1: what a down to because in Indy two, if he

2457
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 1: makes that what was it? It was like a thirty five

2458
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:07,640
Speaker 1: yards shot. They're driving for Feugel at the end of

2459
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:09,240
Speaker 1: the game instead of the touchdown. Mac doesn't have to

2460
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 1: throw that ball into the end zone, right, So that's

2461
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: two games. They could be four and seven right now

2462
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 1: if not for the kid, I know, two nine, four

2463
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,479
Speaker 1: and seven. Whatever, good you get the better pick. How

2464
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 1: many games is that gonna flip? You know, when you're

2465
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:21,559
Speaker 1: actually trying to win games and we're actually making a

2466
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 1: playoff push. Ryland hasn't been good. He still looks uncomfortable.

2467
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 1: I wish they'd let him kick more over the summer,

2468
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 1: but they didn't. I will say this, the whole they

2469
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 1: should have kept Nick Folk conversation needs to go away

2470
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:39,599
Speaker 1: because they're two different conversations. Yeah, Nick Folk was thirty

2471
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 1: six years old, had a bad second half of the

2472
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:45,559
Speaker 1: year last year. That is a position where you move

2473
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:47,080
Speaker 1: on a year too early versus a year too late.

2474
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 1: The fact he's still good great. Nick Folk deserves a

2475
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 1: ton of credit for that. It was time. It was

2476
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 1: just it was time. If you want to say they

2477
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 1: could have done a better job of replacing him, you

2478
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 1: can and that's a very fair tame.

2479
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 2: So here but here's my my not even conspiracy, here's

2480
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 2: I really believe that this is true.

2481
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:12,639
Speaker 1: They wanted Jake Moody. Oh yeah, yeah, I and.

2482
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 2: They wanted Jake Moody. He was the number one kicker

2483
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 2: on their board. They thought they were gonna get Jake

2484
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 2: Moody with their first pick of the fourth.

2485
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 1: Round, which was very early on in the fourth round,

2486
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:23,639
Speaker 1: they where they took Jake Andrew.

2487
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Niners knew that they like Jake Moody. The

2488
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 2: Niners also liked Jake Moody, so they swept in at

2489
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 2: the end of the third round and drafted Jake Moody.

2490
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:34,600
Speaker 2: And I think the Patriots at that point thought that

2491
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 2: they were going to be a run on kickers, panicked

2492
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 2: and took their next kicker.

2493
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 1: Makes a ton of sense, Yeah, makes a ton of sense.

2494
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:43,080
Speaker 1: So but people point out like some of these good kickers,

2495
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 1: like the guy in Dallas was undrafted. Like I get that.

2496
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:47,600
Speaker 1: It's not a crap shoot with kickers, believe or not,

2497
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 1: you can scout them. I mean, it's it's as much

2498
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 1: for crap shoot as is with any other position. It's

2499
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:53,640
Speaker 1: just more so it's probably up there with quarterbacks. But

2500
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,040
Speaker 1: the nick Fole take is weird because it was time.

2501
01:52:57,400 --> 01:52:59,720
Speaker 1: It was time he struggled down the stretch last year.

2502
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 1: They just they need to get a better kicker, and

2503
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 1: they needed to. I wish Ryland. I don't think it's

2504
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:05,679
Speaker 1: the only reason he struggling, but I wish Ryland would

2505
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:07,519
Speaker 1: have gotten more work this summer, have moved on from

2506
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 1: Folks sooner.

2507
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 2: Another thing they mishandled. All right, we got two calls here,

2508
01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 2: let's go through them really quickly. John is in Louisiana.

2509
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:16,880
Speaker 2: What's up, John?

2510
01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I was just because Alex was disrespecting Kyler

2511
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 6: mur Like.

2512
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 1: I agree.

2513
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:30,640
Speaker 2: I agree, John, like that year when it was he

2514
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:32,600
Speaker 2: missed three games because of an injury and.

2515
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 6: At the end of the season, and.

2516
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 2: John, I'm with you. I'm a Kyler guy. Thanks for

2517
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 2: the calle, John. We just have to go quickly. I'm

2518
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 2: a Kyler guy. I would be for Kyler. I'm with Alex.

2519
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,800
Speaker 2: You can't trade your first round pick for Kyler. That's

2520
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:50,599
Speaker 2: that's off the table. But if it's this year's second

2521
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 2: and something next year or whatever, then I'm more on

2522
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 2: board with it. I I like Kyler more than Alex does, though.

2523
01:53:57,400 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 1: I just he's not. He has just as much risk

2524
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 1: because I think a draft pick with his injury history.

2525
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:04,799
Speaker 2: All right, that's fair, All right, Jody is in Atlanta.

2526
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:05,400
Speaker 1: What's up, Jody?

2527
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:06,599
Speaker 3: Hey?

2528
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 8: What's up?

2529
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:07,560
Speaker 2: Guys?

2530
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 1: Hey, I just had.

2531
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:11,920
Speaker 4: A quick little thing. I don't think they're actually going

2532
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:13,879
Speaker 4: to do it, but I just wanted to get your opinion.

2533
01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 7: Uh.

2534
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:16,720
Speaker 4: This feels like the perfect.

2535
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:19,160
Speaker 7: Game to see what who has that linebacker?

2536
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 6: Just gonna have him like.

2537
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 8: Be able to keep up with Ed Blayer.

2538
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 4: When he goes out for the little rouse and think

2539
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 4: get dunk. And then also with Herbert he does you

2540
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:29,280
Speaker 4: know the.

2541
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 8: Read options and when you kind of scramble at the

2542
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:31,920
Speaker 8: big plays.

2543
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 4: I feel like this is like why you drafted Papu

2544
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 4: And I think this was like the perfect game to

2545
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 4: kind of seasons we've played like a lot of bigger

2546
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 4: backs this season might be trying to see what he has,

2547
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:44,840
Speaker 4: even though like July Spy and family has.

2548
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 7: Been great, but they're not great but good.

2549
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 2: So I we get the pointing up there.

2550
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 1: Every game was perfect game to play back.

2551
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 2: The more that we are attacked, you know, the more

2552
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 2: we've got here with the with the Marty Mapu situation.

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01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 2: The more I really truly believe that if it wasn't

2554
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 2: for Jabriel Peppers' emergence, then Marty Maphu would probably be

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01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 2: playing that role in the defense so that Kyle Duggar

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01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 2: could play the more free safety. Yeah, and that was

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01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,200
Speaker 2: kind of the plan. I think the plan was that

2558
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:22,360
Speaker 2: Mapu is the new Dugger. Dougger is the new kind

2559
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 2: of mc cordyish thing, and Jabrill Peppers just kind of

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01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere. Not nowhere, but he had a

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01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 2: great year and they couldn't take Jabrill Peppers off the field,

2562
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 2: and here we are, and ultimately, if that was the case,

2563
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 2: then this is a that was another bad allocation of resources.

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01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 2: They didn't need that player. They had him on the

2565
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 2: roster in Jabrill Peppers, and they took another yea, he

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01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 2: used another top one hundred pick on like a secondary

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01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:49,880
Speaker 2: need r.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also if you wanted a safety, could there

2569
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:53,000
Speaker 1: were a lot of good safeties on the board. If

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01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 1: you wanted a safety, could have drafted a safety, right.

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01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 2: They they looked at him like I said that, they

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01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 2: thought he was going to be in the Chung Dugger

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01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:05,040
Speaker 2: role that Peppers is now is what I.

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01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:06,560
Speaker 1: Told you after the draft, You're like, this is great,

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01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:10,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a linebacker and spy Josh Allenlah, Nope,

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01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 1: So it would have been cool to see him do that.

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01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 2: Is just it's just another example of first of all,

2578
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 2: just drafting something that you don't need, which I think

2579
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:24,200
Speaker 2: is a big thing that happened.

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01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 1: Well, they did, in theory need that athletic off ball linebacker.

2581
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 1: They just didn't blame them.

2582
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 2: There, right, But I'm saying they drafted another another box safety. Yeah,

2583
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:34,440
Speaker 2: oh yeah, seventeen of them already.

2584
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I wonder if that's a miscommunication maybe between

2585
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 1: Matt Grower and Bill Belichick or something like that.

2586
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:42,000
Speaker 2: Well, if that's, I mean, that can't happen. You have

2587
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:44,200
Speaker 2: four months to prepare for the draft, Like, how can

2588
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 2: you have a music communication?

2589
01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:47,800
Speaker 1: Not a miscommunication? But I'm saying like, hey, I drafted

2590
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:49,600
Speaker 1: this player to do this one thing and I don't know.

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01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that about does it for us. He

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01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:55,600
Speaker 2: is coming up next here at noon, so stay tuned

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01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 2: for that. Alex and I will be back next week,

2594
01:56:58,120 --> 01:57:00,240
Speaker 2: but it's a Thursday night game. I saw I'll be

2595
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 2: traveling on Wednesday to Pittsburgh, so we're gonna do it

2596
01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:08,839
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning tentatively. Tentatively because depending on the travel schedule

2597
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 2: and media schedule and everything, but it should be Wednesday

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01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:15,560
Speaker 2: morning ten to twelve instead of Thursday morning next week.

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01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:18,160
Speaker 2: If not, it will probably be Tuesday morning ten to twelve.

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01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 2: But we'll get to that point when we need so

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Speaker 2: just check us out on Twitter, as I'm hopefully all

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Speaker 2: of you already are, and we'll give you updates on

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01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:27,600
Speaker 2: the schedule when Cash twenty two is going to be

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01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:30,400
Speaker 2: next week. But until then, signing off for Alex Bartham

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Speaker 2: having Lazar's stay tuned for Patriots Unfiltered and you'll hear

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01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:34,360
Speaker 2: more of me unfortunately.

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