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Speaker 1: This is video of Jeffrey Epstein's home, taken by investigators

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Speaker 1: during a search of the multi millionaire's Palm Beach mansion.

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Speaker 1: It is where Epstein was involved with at least forty

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Speaker 1: I was sixteen, I was sixteen. I started going to

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Speaker 1: A report from the Palm Beach Police Department alleges the

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Speaker 1: The accounts include accusations from indecent exposure to inappropriate touching

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Speaker 1: hearing our friend at NBC. That was Stephanie Gossk reporting

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Speaker 1: me an all star panel judge, trial lawyer host at

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Speaker 1: Court TV, Ashley Wilcot dot com. Steve Lampley, detective author

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Speaker 1: of I Was the Girl about his time undercover. Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: Brian Russell, psychologist and lawyer, host of investigation discoveries. Hit

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Speaker 1: Line dot com, investigative journalist Levi Paige Levi, it never

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Speaker 1: ends with Epstein. You know. We were just listening to

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned Nancy, Prince Andrew, the son of Queen Elizabeth,

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Speaker 1: some simple math like you did earlier. Jeffrey Epstein was

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Speaker 1: sixty six when he died. Let's just say at fourteen

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Speaker 1: or sixteen years old is when he started, you know,

428
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Speaker 1: inappropriately touching, grabbing, groping whatever, females. That's forty six years

429
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Speaker 1: he had to harm people. Now we're only looking at

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Speaker 1: when he got to the level that he was not

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Speaker 1: trying to hide it. He was thrown parties, he was recruiting.

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Speaker 1: So if you take one victim a month, that's over

433
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Speaker 1: five hundred crime stories. With Nancy Grace trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out why somebody liked Jelene Maxwell would have anything to

435
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: do with Epstein, a millionaire pedophile. We know that she

436
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: was born in Mason Lafitte, France, the youngest child of

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Speaker 1: a media tycoon Robert Maxwell. She moved to New York

438
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Speaker 1: after her father's death and socialized with rich and famous people.

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00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: In the nineties, she started a relationship with Epstein and

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00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: stayed close, extremely close to him for decades after that.

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Speaker 1: She has now been accused of being a pimp for

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. And this is according to US court documents.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about two thousand pages of a lawsuit that

444
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Speaker 1: were released in a defamation case involving Virginia Roberts Guthrie,

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Speaker 1: who claimed that Epstein set her up to sleep with

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00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: Angilne Maxwell with Prince Andrew. Another court document describes an

447
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: alleged sex encounter between an underage girl and Prince Andrew

448
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: and a bathtub. I mean it goes on and on.

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Speaker 1: Did this woman, Jelayne Maxwell act as a pump for Epstein?

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Speaker 1: To Dr Brian Russell's psychologist lawyer host of investigation discoveries

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Speaker 1: hit series Fatal Vows, Brian, why would someone like Gilne

452
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Speaker 1: Maxwell get tangled up with Epstein? He's a pedophile? First,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure we just get the terminology right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he was a pedophile. Pedophile is sexual

455
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Speaker 1: attraction to prepubescent kids, sexual attraction to somebody who's gone

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Speaker 1: through puberty, even if they're under the legal age of consent,

457
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: is not pedophilia, Just to for anybody who's interested. You know,

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00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: why would Gilain Maxwell be involved, Well, we don't know

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Speaker 1: if she was involved. If she was involved, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: very bizarre because you know, she didn't have any need

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Speaker 1: for Epstein's money or anything. She had her own money,

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Speaker 1: and she had her own She was a socialite in

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Speaker 1: her own right. She didn't need him to travel in

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Speaker 1: the high dollars circles. So, you know, other than some

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Speaker 1: kind of fetish that she had herself for young girls,

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Speaker 1: as hard to imagine what the motivation would have been

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Speaker 1: if she was involved in all this. You know, I

468
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Speaker 1: listened to all this, and I just think I'm as

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Speaker 1: tough on crime as anybody is. But when you have

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Speaker 1: these allegations that are decades old, you know, I just

471
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: sometimes think, gosh, am I the only one here who's

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Speaker 1: concerned about reasonable doubt and the presumption of innocence of

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Speaker 1: these people. You know, Okay, hold on just a moment,

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Speaker 1: doctor Russell. These are not accusations. He pled guilty to this.

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Speaker 1: He pled guilty in a court of law for soliciting women,

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Speaker 1: young girls that were teens. These are not didn't he did,

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Speaker 1: And I mean we're talking about witnesses recruited the young girls,

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Speaker 1: even documenting and two thousand pages of court documents what

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00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: Jilayne Maxwell said to them in order to get them

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Speaker 1: to engage in sex with Epstein and his friends. Levi Page,

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00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: Let's try to help doctor Brian Russell with his concerns.

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Speaker 1: What do we know about Gilayne Maxwell's part in Epstein's

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Speaker 1: pedophile pimp scheme? Under the law, pedophile means when an

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00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: adult has sex with or is a tract to two

485
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: sexually a minor. Many of the alleged victims, Nancy would

486
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: say that Jolyne Maxwell would recruit them to have sex

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Speaker 1: with Epstein, and once they did that, she would then

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Speaker 1: recruit them and direct them to have sex with his

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Speaker 1: powerful friends. And she would tell them just do what

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Speaker 1: you do to Jeffrey. That's what they are alleging. That

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Speaker 1: she was sort of the middleman, that she was his

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Speaker 1: like basically employer in this sex scheme. That's all alleged,

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00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: but don't you think it's very suspicious? Nancy, then instead

494
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Speaker 1: of answering to these allegations, trying to clear her name,

495
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: that she's gone, she can't be found. She left to

496
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Speaker 1: ask she willcott judge and trial lawyer, court TV anchor,

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00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: why in Ashley, you know, presumption of innocence. I'm all

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Speaker 1: for it, but again I'm going to stand by my statement.

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Speaker 1: When they're smoke, there's fire. And the thing that disturbs

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Speaker 1: me the most about this case is the way in

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00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: which the prosecutor, starting with Epstein, really we're hiding the

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00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: ball from the public, from the victims, from everyone. And

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00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: when you start that way, all it does is snowball

504
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: into a big mess of the case where while you

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00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: have the presumption of innocence, most likely they're involved at

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Speaker 1: some level in this criminal activity. We are talking about

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Speaker 1: the whereabouts of Jeffrey Epsteins allegend, madam, his pimp so

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Speaker 1: to speak. Jelaye Maxwell to Steve Lampley, detective author of

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Speaker 1: I was the Girl at Steve Lampley dot com. Steve,

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Speaker 1: help me figure out how she can be located and

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Speaker 1: brought back. But she can't be brought back brought back

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Speaker 1: until there are formal charges against her. Ryl said, it's

513
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. You got to locate her she could

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00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: be like we're in the world is common santhianco who

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Speaker 1: knows we'll have to locate her and if possible, bring

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Speaker 1: her back and maybe even place her. And I sort

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Speaker 1: of reserve, sort of hesitate to even say this. My

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Speaker 1: concern give Epstein's demise is somewhat for her, concern for

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Speaker 1: her safety, and I would say, maybe bring her back

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Speaker 1: under protective custody. But given the fact that we couldn't

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Speaker 1: keep Jeffrey Epstein's safe, I don't know that we could

522
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Speaker 1: keep her safe. But we're gonna have to find her somewhere.

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Speaker 1: What we are looking at our claims by multiple then

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00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: young girls now grown women who say they were recruited

525
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Speaker 1: as an underage hooker for Jeffrey Epstein and traffic to

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Speaker 1: other powerful men in his orbit. We also learned that,

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Speaker 1: according to these victims, they say that Jelne Maxwell trained

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Speaker 1: them to find the quote youngest looking girl roles for Epstein,

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Speaker 1: and as Levi Page pointed out earlier, the one man

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Speaker 1: witness that we're hearing the most from is Virginia Roberts Guthrie.

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Speaker 1: Guffrey says that she was working at Trump samiralago when

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Speaker 1: she meets Epstein so explain to me exactly what the

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00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: claims are LEVI page against Julyne Maxwell. She's accused of

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Speaker 1: being his basically recruiter. She would go and find women

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Speaker 1: that she thought that Jeffrey Epstein allegedly would be attracted to,

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Speaker 1: and she would introduce them to Jeffrey Epstein. A lot

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Speaker 1: of this started off as massages. They were being paid

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Speaker 1: to give him a massage, and then that's when the

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00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: sexual abuse happened. They also alleged that she would then

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00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: introduce them, these young women to Jeffrey Epstein's powerful friends,

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Speaker 1: such as allegedly Prince Andrew, and that they were abused

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Speaker 1: by his powerful friends as well. So it's not just

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00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: Jeffrey app it's other men. That she was helping these women,

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Speaker 1: if you can call it, helping get introduced to so

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00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: they could be sexually abused. It's sick allegations. Well also

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00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: to you, Cheryl McCollum, and I don't know how we

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00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: would be able to prove this if possible. The victim

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00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: says that Jelayne Maxwell ordered her to perform sex sex

549
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Speaker 1: on Epstein during their very first meeting, promising that they

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Speaker 1: would help her become a real massuse and get a

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00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: quote normal life. But she Virginia says that soon she

552
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: realized life revolved around the abuse, and then Maxwell trained

553
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: her to recruit new girls for Epstein with the order

554
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: that the younger the better. Quote. You have to always

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00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: go for the youngest looking ones. That is what she says.

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00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: Elayne Maxwell told her if this was my case, Nancy,

557
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: I would start electronically. I would go through his computer,

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00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: through every phone that he was ever associated with that

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00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: we could locate what the text messages said, what the

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00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: email said. Again, this was not a man that was

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00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: hiding what he wanted. He was very clear. He said,

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Speaker 1: you know, messages about it. He had pornography of underaged

563
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: girls on his computer when they went through it. There's

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Speaker 1: other evidence there. He kept a detailed book. Who keeps

565
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: an address book anymore? But he did so. Not only

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Speaker 1: did he keep it, he kept every thirteen phone number

567
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Speaker 1: from Prince Andrew. So again this is very clear to

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Speaker 1: me that he gave us a roadmap. They've just got

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Speaker 1: to go find it. Back to doctor Brian Russell Investigation

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Speaker 1: Discoveries fatal vows, who was concerned about reasonable doubt and

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Speaker 1: the possible innocence of Jilane Maxwell. What convince to me

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00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: is not just the Virginia Guffries, but that many of

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Speaker 1: Epstein's accusers separately alleged j Elaine Maxwell served as Epstein's

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Speaker 1: madam to lure them into its operation. She of course,

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Speaker 1: has denied all the allegations. She has not yet been

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Speaker 1: charged with a crime. But how can you how can

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Speaker 1: you insist on her innocence when you have multiple young

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Speaker 1: girls separated in time and space pointing to her as

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Speaker 1: his recruiter. I don't insist on her innocence or Prince Andrews.

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Speaker 1: What I insist on is that I understand as a

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00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: psychologist there are many reasons why people who actually are

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Speaker 1: sexually abused, they actually are victims of sex crimes, don't

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Speaker 1: come right out right away and report it. I understand that.

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Speaker 1: But if you're going to do that as a victim,

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00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: what you have to understand is if you're gonna wait

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00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: twenty years to come forward, then you might not get

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00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: justice because the chances are very high that after twenty

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00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: years there's gonna be reasonable doubt because you're gonna say,

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Speaker 1: just let's use, for example, a different scenario, the Weinstein scenario.

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Speaker 1: Somebody says twenty years ago, I went to Weinstein's office

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Speaker 1: to talk about being in a movie, and he raped

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Speaker 1: me there, and now I want justice about it. And

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Speaker 1: Weinstein says, twenty years ago, she came to my office

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Speaker 1: to talk about being in a movie. We had consensual sex.

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Speaker 1: I didn't put her in the movie, and now she's

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Speaker 1: saying I raped her there. I don't know how a

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Speaker 1: juror goes into court and listens to those two stories

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Speaker 1: and comes out and goes, I am one hundred percent

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00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: sure it went down the way that the woman said.

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Speaker 1: So it happens. That happens when you have corroborating evidence,

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Speaker 1: such as telling what we call an outcry witness, a friend,

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00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 1: a parent, a boyfriend at the time what happened. When

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00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: you can look at support for the moment, for instance,

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Speaker 1: a date book, something on someone's iPhone showing that the

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Speaker 1: appointment occurred. When you can corroborate that an attendant, a

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Speaker 1: receptionists led the woman in there and then left her,

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Speaker 1: there are many many ways to corroborate a case like that,

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Speaker 1: especially with similar transactions when you have fifteen twenty thirty

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Speaker 1: women all claiming much as in like Bill Cosby, none

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Speaker 1: of them knowing each other, all claiming the same type

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Speaker 1: of scenario. I mean, in my mind, at least one

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Speaker 1: of those stories has got to be true, just rationally speaking.

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Speaker 1: And I want to go to you, Ashley Wilcott, judge

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Speaker 1: and trial lawyer. The reality is is that these women

615
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: are all claiming the same thing. But doctor Brian Russell

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Speaker 1: brings up the point that why didn't they say something

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00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: at the time. Well, maybe because they were underage teen

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Speaker 1: girls and with no education, a low socioeconomic standing, and

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Speaker 1: they were going up I guess a multi millionaire and

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Speaker 1: very powerful people all of those things. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: there's a pattern, like you already pointed out, Nancy, in

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Speaker 1: terms of what they're saying happen and occurred. That's significant.

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Speaker 1: Number two. Statistically, often victims of any type of sexual

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Speaker 1: assault or sexual crime, or sex grooming or sex trafficking

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00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: do not disclose right at the time and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, this is what happened to me. For

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Speaker 1: all the reasons you just raised, and the shame and

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Speaker 1: the guilt and the embarrassment and the eighteen year old

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Speaker 1: not fully developed brain, which we know scientifically to be true.

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Speaker 1: Often they disclose down the road. Not at the time.

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Speaker 1: That's not unusual. We wait as justice unfalse Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: crime story, signing off goodbye friend,