Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty, and he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 3: He gotta be kind of old to know who Cat
Speaker 3: Stevens is. He is like a soft rock guy from
Speaker 3: back in the seventies and changed his name to something
Speaker 3: or other as a mother sef Islam.
Speaker 2: He just he just announced a book tour.
Speaker 3: The only reason I bring it up is I am
Speaker 3: reading the Salmon Rushdie memoir, in which he mentions that
Speaker 3: Cat Stevens was among those calling for Salmon Rushdie's death
Speaker 3: after he put out the satantic verses book Peace Train.
Speaker 1: Indeed, one more reason not to listen to guitar players
Speaker 1: talking about politics or.
Speaker 3: The sometimes depending on who it is, the religion of peace. Uh,
Speaker 3: that was not my point.
Speaker 2: What was my point? Oh?
Speaker 3: So the house meaning all night long? The rules committee
Speaker 3: started at one am, and now there's more wrangling going
Speaker 3: on over the big beautiful bill, and stuff keeps coming
Speaker 3: in and out of it. We could have the very
Speaker 3: latest on that this hour. There's been some interesting wranglings.
Speaker 3: I can tell you what the net result will be, though,
Speaker 3: is we're going to go further and further into debt.
Speaker 3: I just came across this quote that I really like.
Speaker 3: The arc of democracy is long, but it bends toward insolvency.
Speaker 2: That seems to beautiful. That is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I was trying to find the email from one of
Speaker 1: our beloved listeners who called the big beautiful Bill. I
Speaker 1: can't remember what he called him, but it's a big
Speaker 1: beautiful horror and disappointment and betrayal of ourselves and our kids.
Speaker 2: Anyway, don't get me started too late.
Speaker 1: I thought this was very, very interesting in a moment
Speaker 1: or two, a discussion, a digest of you will, if
Speaker 1: you will, of various thoughts about why kids cheat using AI.
Speaker 1: They're lazy, ah, and you brought them up poorly.
Speaker 3: As I said last week, dipping my toe into AI
Speaker 3: for the first time, I thought, how would you not?
Speaker 3: It is so easy, It would be so easy to
Speaker 3: get a boost. I mean, not just flat out write
Speaker 3: the paper for me, but like some easy, serious help.
Speaker 2: That would be a hell of a shortcut.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and I will plan in advance on being
Speaker 1: unsatisfied with this segment when it ends, because this ought
Speaker 1: to be this discussion. Why are kids cheating with it?
Speaker 1: How can we stop them from cheating with it? And indeed,
Speaker 1: should we even try to stop them from cheating with it?
Speaker 1: Could be like a series of four three hour podcasts,
Speaker 1: and even then it would probably leave people scratching their heads. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Having said that, I thought this was crazy. I saw
Speaker 1: this video today. This is an illustration of one of
Speaker 1: Google's AI products, and I was reading about how they
Speaker 1: actually have some pretty interesting stuff coming. They feel like
Speaker 1: they're behind the chat GPT and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Evil company. You got to keep that in mind. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: terribly evil.
Speaker 1: But they are a little behind the mass market for
Speaker 1: AI tools for the consumer, but they're way behind among
Speaker 1: the tools young people choose.
Speaker 3: Well, have they rolled out their best I remember when
Speaker 3: I was talking about this like two years ago, because
Speaker 3: I knew some people in that world that Google was
Speaker 3: pouring more money in it to than anybody, but holding
Speaker 3: their fire to like really release the takeover the world.
Speaker 3: You know, the way Google dominated search engines. They wanted
Speaker 3: to land with such a everybody was using. It becomes
Speaker 3: the Xerox or Kleenex of AI.
Speaker 1: But did they release theirs and fail or Uh No,
Speaker 1: it's just all developing so fast. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: check back in a week, that'll be a new headline.
Speaker 1: And I don't I'm not qualified to answer that question
Speaker 1: because all of these services and you know, apps and all,
Speaker 1: they have clever sounding names like Gemini and Perplexity and
Speaker 1: the rest of it, and I have trouble remembering who's this.
Speaker 2: Who's I'm not an expert by anybody, but it's the
Speaker 2: Google guy.
Speaker 3: Though that said AI was going to be as big
Speaker 3: to mankind as fire right.
Speaker 1: So for instance, this is from Google Meat, which we
Speaker 1: use now and again they have launched their real time translator.
Speaker 1: Et pardon me, m et, yes, yes, meeting. We use
Speaker 1: the platform ourselves as opposed to Google Meat. I don't
Speaker 1: want to eat anything Google makes anyway. So it's a
Speaker 1: real time speech translator. What you're going to hear is
Speaker 1: a gentleman asking a question and the gal starts to
Speaker 1: answer him, but he, you know, presumably is more comfortable
Speaker 1: with Spanish or whatever, and he clicks on his screen
Speaker 1: that he wants to hear her in Spanish instead. Uh,
Speaker 1: and and then we'll we'll interpret in a moment, Go
Speaker 1: ahead and roll at.
Speaker 2: Michael, where would you like to go? On your next vacation. Oh,
Speaker 2: where would I like to go on my next vacation?
Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you about an upcoming just pain
Speaker 4: to Majorca, Rapos, Sacramento, Semana.
Speaker 1: Okay, So not only is it simultaneously with just like
Speaker 1: a half second delay, simultaneously translating what she's saying, it's
Speaker 1: doing it in her voice.
Speaker 2: It's emulating her voice. Right, I didn't catch that, but yes, obviously, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I mean a tool.
Speaker 1: I mean because those of us who've traveled a bit
Speaker 1: and used Google Translate, like a year and a half ago.
Speaker 1: So when we were in like Bavaria, I would look
Speaker 1: at a sign on a truck and put it in
Speaker 1: the camera and say, honey, that's a sausage truck, and
Speaker 1: trying to read signs, you know, to figure out where
Speaker 1: we were going, and it was super cool. And occasionally
Speaker 1: you'd have a conversation with you know, say a German
Speaker 1: speaker because I tried like hell to learn language. It's
Speaker 1: too hard and I'm too dumb. But so somebody would
Speaker 1: talk into it and you'd look at it and say, oh,
Speaker 1: the restaurant opens at five pm, muchas Gracias, which would
Speaker 1: be a weird thing to say in Germany, but you know,
Speaker 1: you then move on with your life.
Speaker 2: Now you simultaneously translate it in their language. I needed
Speaker 2: that so bad voice. I needed that so bad.
Speaker 3: When I was in Russia one particular day one I
Speaker 3: wanted coffee so bad because I'm a coffee addict, and
Speaker 3: I spent like an hour and a half trying to
Speaker 3: figure out how I could find a coffee place, order
Speaker 3: the coffee once I was there, pay for it. It
Speaker 3: was just impossible. It would have been effortless with that, Katie.
Speaker 2: You guys are talking about all of these beautiful countries.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, I have a nail appointment later. Yes,
Speaker 2: oh to find out what they're actually saying. You know
Speaker 2: what that will dream?
Speaker 3: There's that or the gardener guy who in my landlord hired,
Speaker 3: who kept letting my dog out and I wanted to
Speaker 3: talk to about it.
Speaker 2: I didn't speak Spanish. I should have used this for
Speaker 2: that stop letting my dog out?
Speaker 1: You can just play him who let the dogs out?
Speaker 1: He probably knows that song anyway, moving along, So I
Speaker 1: thought that was amazing in a cool tool, and you
Speaker 1: know the future is now blah blah, blah. So getting
Speaker 1: to the topic of students cheating. I came across a
Speaker 1: really interesting Twitter thread and this guy's writing about has
Speaker 1: anyone asked to stop.
Speaker 3: To ask why students cheat? I heard, Yes, I heard
Speaker 3: the dumbest story the other day. This is typical of
Speaker 3: mainstream media about AI and cheating.
Speaker 2: The lead being.
Speaker 3: Instructors are telling students not to cheat. But it turns
Speaker 3: out some in college. I think it was Stanford. Turns
Speaker 3: out Stanford crafted the questions for their latest test using AI. What, Gibbs,
Speaker 3: I thought, that makes perfect sense to use AI to
Speaker 3: craft the questions for the test.
Speaker 2: What is that to your question?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: The article?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this guy's premise is everyone's cheating their way
Speaker 1: through college chat, GPT and others have unraveled the entire
Speaker 1: academic project. And I thought this was really interesting and
Speaker 1: somewhat troubling. And he delves into the article and interprets it.
Speaker 1: Interprets it by revealed preference. Students must think the work
Speaker 1: they do in class is a waste of time. Fake
Speaker 1: bonding activities and hippie gardening clearly aren't worth their time.
Speaker 1: They're talking about some of the classes they take, so
Speaker 1: they outsource it to AI anything fun or interesting. They
Speaker 1: still do by hand, hm, but this the profile is Sarah's,
Speaker 1: a freshman at the university, said she first used chat
Speaker 1: ept to chat during the spring semester of her final
Speaker 1: year of high school. After getting acquainted with the chatbot,
Speaker 1: she used it for all her classes, Indigenous studies, law, English,
Speaker 1: and hippie farming classes called green Industries. My grades were amazing,
Speaker 1: she said, it changed my life. She continued to use
Speaker 1: AI when she started college this past fall.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't she?
Speaker 3: Then the phrase cheating changed my life?
Speaker 1: So and then they quote this professor, a philosophy professor
Speaker 1: across the country at the University of Arkansas, Little Rock
Speaker 1: caught students in her ethics and Technology class using AI
Speaker 1: to respond to the prompt briefly introduce yourself and say
Speaker 1: what you're hoping to get out of this class?
Speaker 3: Wow? Yeah, yeah, So I think I know where you're
Speaker 3: going with the Is it even a good idea to
Speaker 3: try to stop them? Because the future might be just
Speaker 3: learning how to use AI as a tool, right to
Speaker 3: answer any question or to do anything at an enormous
Speaker 3: and horrifying cost, stay with us.
Speaker 1: So then I found this really interesting too. And as
Speaker 1: I said at the beginning of the segment, this is
Speaker 1: going to be unsatisfying and just scratch the surface, and
Speaker 1: I wish we had unlimited time for it. But this
Speaker 1: author then gets into a student who wants to write
Speaker 1: by hand. I really like writing, she said, sounding strangely
Speaker 1: nostalgic for a high school commerce class, which was last
Speaker 1: time she wrote an essay unassisted. Honestly, she continued, I
Speaker 1: think there's beauty and trying to plan your essay you
Speaker 1: learn a lot. You have to think, oh, what can
Speaker 1: I write in this paragraph? Or what should my wife scheem?
Speaker 1: But she'd rather get good grades an essay with chatch EVT.
Speaker 1: It's like it just gives you straight up what you
Speaker 1: have to follow. You just don't really have to think
Speaker 1: that much. And so because the curriculum is designed not
Speaker 1: to learn but to check boxes, you're much better off
Speaker 1: using chat GPT, for instance, than trying to think it through.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking out louder, So don't beat me with both
Speaker 3: fists before I've finished myself. I can't wait if you
Speaker 3: will never have to write because you've got a tool
Speaker 3: that will write for you.
Speaker 2: Do you need to.
Speaker 3: Learn to write?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Why I will explain in a moment. It's a great question.
Speaker 1: It's probably the question. And then the final thing that
Speaker 1: he gets into is college as liberal arts education and
Speaker 1: college's jobs program are fundamentally incompatible goals. The way we
Speaker 1: evaluate students has terrible incentives and isn't predictive anyway. The
Speaker 1: learning done on colleges has a very weak relationship to
Speaker 1: real world goals.
Speaker 2: You're there to.
Speaker 1: Network and meet people, notice it. Yeah, and you don't
Speaker 1: learn a damn thing anyway. So then we can get
Speaker 1: into how to stop kids from cheating or students from
Speaker 1: cheating and this you want to come.
Speaker 2: Back and do that because I want to hear that.
Speaker 3: I would actually like to hear that the any any
Speaker 3: any ideas or efforts, because I can't imagine what they
Speaker 3: would be.
Speaker 1: Well, and your your excellent, excellent question about what does
Speaker 1: it matter anyway?
Speaker 2: Well, I'll answer that when we come back.
Speaker 3: Okay, Wow, my kids are headed out into a world
Speaker 3: that I'm just we're all just guessing at as parents.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the people developing this stuff are guessing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's a good point. Okay, all that's on
Speaker 2: the waist.
Speaker 3: He here, the Didny jury was just shown pictures of
Speaker 3: when they broke into his house. Remember that guns, Ammo, stilettos, lube,
Speaker 3: and sex toys, among other things from his Miami Beach mansion.
Speaker 2: More on the Didny trial.
Speaker 1: Yes, uh so, a couple of articles we're gonna quote
Speaker 1: here as we continue our discussion of AI and cheating
Speaker 1: in schools, and ones from Tyler Cowen who wrote for
Speaker 1: The Free everyone's using AI to cheat at school.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing. And he goes into the description of.
Speaker 1: The uproar over cheating and how one study suggests up
Speaker 1: to ninety percent of college students have used chat GPT
Speaker 1: to do their homework, and how the state of affairs
Speaker 1: has set off a crisis among educators' parents and students.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. He says, I think this.
Speaker 1: Crisis is ultimately good news, and not just because I
Speaker 1: believe American education was already in a profound crisis AMEN
Speaker 1: the result of ideological capture, among other things. These models
Speaker 1: are such great cheating AIGs because they are also such
Speaker 1: great teachers. Often they are better than the human teachers
Speaker 1: we put before our kids, and they're far cheaper at
Speaker 1: that they will not unionize or attend pro Hamas protests,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's funny. You mentioned that at the beginning.
Speaker 3: I'm way more worried about the wokeness in schools than
Speaker 3: figuring out the AI cheating stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 1: He he says a couple of interesting things. But if
Speaker 1: the current AI can cheat effectively for you, the current
Speaker 1: AI and also write better than you. In other words,
Speaker 1: our universities are not teaching our citizens sufficiently valuable skills. Rather,
Speaker 1: we are teaching them that that which can be cloned
Speaker 1: at low cost. The AIS are already very good at
Speaker 1: those tasks, and they will only get better at a
Speaker 1: rapid pace. Whatever you think of the intrinsic merits of
Speaker 1: the proposed solutions can are tougher on our code really work.
Speaker 2: They're missing the point.
Speaker 1: The trouble with all the remedies is that they implicitly
Speaker 1: insist that we must do everything possible to keep wasteful
Speaker 1: instruction in place. The current system is misleading students about
Speaker 1: the skills they'll need to succeed in the future, and
Speaker 1: providing all the wrong incentives and rankings of student quality.
Speaker 2: And then this goes on for a number of more.
Speaker 1: Paragraphs of really interesting philosophizing about you know, education and
Speaker 1: work skills and the relationship there and the future and
Speaker 1: technology and a bunch of different stuff.
Speaker 2: We'll post the link. You'll probably get paywalled.
Speaker 1: I don't know, steal somebody's password at Armstrong and getty
Speaker 1: dot com under hotlinks. I'll send it to the crew
Speaker 1: in a couple of seconds. But then I came across
Speaker 1: this how we doing for time?
Speaker 2: Pretty good?
Speaker 1: John Goyette, who is a vice president dean emeritis of
Speaker 1: Thomas Aquinas College, and he describes the situation similar fashion
Speaker 1: as mister Cowan about how cheating is rampant. We're still
Speaker 1: in the early stages of the AI era, but the
Speaker 1: future of higher education looks bleak. Early research suggests what
Speaker 1: educators know intuitively. AI assistants can boost students' short term performance,
Speaker 1: but it enervates long term meaning deadens long term comprehension,
Speaker 1: especially after the digital crutches are taken away. A student
Speaker 1: who aiss a quiz without studying the material has learned nothing.
Speaker 2: The same is true.
Speaker 1: The same is true for a student who completes an
Speaker 1: essay without performing research, contemplating the subject matter, refining and
Speaker 1: ordering arguments, or painstakingly choosing the exact words to express
Speaker 1: the right idea. These students fail not only to retain knowledge,
Speaker 1: but also to develop their capacities for creative and critical thinking.
Speaker 1: Even where AI usage doesn't cross obvious ethical lines, it
Speaker 1: usually undermines learning. And his point is that when you
Speaker 1: are learning a skill, you're not just learning the skill.
Speaker 2: When you learn to write, you're not just learning to write.
Speaker 1: You are developing and strengthening your brain in a way
Speaker 1: that you will use for the rest of your life,
Speaker 1: no matter what tools are at your disposal.
Speaker 3: That's all interesting, and I'm not going to argue against that,
Speaker 3: but I am a nihilist on this AI stuff. Whatever.
Speaker 3: That's what people are going to do. That's what everybody's
Speaker 3: gonna do. There's no stopping it. And what that leaves us,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he says, just a finish.
Speaker 1: Collegies should institute a more personal and in person approach
Speaker 1: to assessment.
Speaker 2: Good band take home exams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea of you have to do anything style, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you have to write it in class.
Speaker 2: That might be, not might be it's the only way.
Speaker 1: And socratic discussion that sort of thing, Yeah, interesting, which
Speaker 1: I like Anyway, where's the big beautiful bill? Man?
Speaker 2: There have been some agreements overnight you might not.
Speaker 3: Like Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5: There is nothing that Donald Trump cares more about getting
Speaker 5: done at this point than passing this bill. And he's
Speaker 5: willing to get up at eight thirty in the morning
Speaker 5: and go to Capitol Hill to try and convince these
Speaker 5: members to do so. They believe, again, this is his legacy.
Speaker 5: The economy is his legacy.
Speaker 2: We're going to give you a real time update and
Speaker 2: where we are on the big beautiful bill that will
Speaker 2: affect everyone's life today. And freaking whooping cough. So I
Speaker 2: sing it down because my son has whooping cough.
Speaker 3: I said to the doctor, my son just got his
Speaker 3: t DAP update like six months ago, and he said,
Speaker 3: did you know anybody who got the covid bat seene
Speaker 3: who then got covid Ah.
Speaker 2: So it makes it much less likely that you'll.
Speaker 3: Get whooping cough or TETN, but it doesn't keep you
Speaker 3: from getting it. We all have that or I've always
Speaker 3: had that belief that a vaccine means I'm never going
Speaker 3: to get it, but apparently that's not true. Anyho, back
Speaker 3: to the Big Beautiful Bill. It affects every one of
Speaker 3: us and our children probably, so it's a big deal.
Speaker 3: This is a member of the Freedom Couckers, who I
Speaker 3: have at various times agreed with wholeheartedly. In various times
Speaker 3: thought they were crazy hostage takers, but in this case
Speaker 3: they're mostly just trying to keep the debt from exploding. Anyway,
Speaker 3: here's the latest from one of their members.
Speaker 6: We are working within the goalposts you voted for. You
Speaker 6: can I answer the question or you just want to
Speaker 6: You want.
Speaker 2: To fill a us You can.
Speaker 7: Not accurate, You're not very we are. We are working.
Speaker 7: We're working within the goalposts. I'm not saying we need
Speaker 7: to we need to move the.
Speaker 6: Amount of cuts up, because goodness knows, we moved them
Speaker 6: ount of spending yesterday with the Salt agreement. We're saying,
Speaker 6: work within the goalposts. Rearrange it within the gold hosts.
Speaker 6: In accordance, we'll what the President wants. End waste frawden
Speaker 6: abuse in medicaid, which is wasting dollars that should be
Speaker 6: spent on the truly vulnerable, and then end as much
Speaker 6: of the green new scam as possible, Right.
Speaker 3: Mister, Chet's a man called Andy Harris, So from the
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal. Let me set the table, as they
Speaker 3: say in the table setting business. First, of all, the
Speaker 3: Republicans have one of the slimmest majorities in the history
Speaker 3: of our country. Speaker Johnson can afford to lose free,
Speaker 3: free Republican votes to pass what he wants to pass. Now,
Speaker 3: in the olden times, which isn't that long ago, when
Speaker 3: you passed a big, giant budget bill like this, you
Speaker 3: had mostly people in your party, but a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of people from the other party, And then you had
Speaker 3: the fringes of both parties that were unhappy with it,
Speaker 3: the socialists on the left, like the fiscal arts on
Speaker 3: the right, or whichever. But it was mostly your party
Speaker 3: and a whole bunch of people. Now, no, only your
Speaker 3: party votes for it and the other party votes for
Speaker 3: it exclusively every time.
Speaker 1: And it used to be if you have a decent majority,
Speaker 1: you could say, all right, eleven people in swing districts
Speaker 1: who aren't going to like this very much, we'll take
Speaker 1: your application for voting against this, and we won't hold
Speaker 1: it against you. And thirteen people raise their hands, and
Speaker 1: you say, all right, we can only take eleven york
Speaker 1: it out in conference. But this majority is so slim.
Speaker 1: Well got to have completed aherentes practically.
Speaker 3: Right, and then just this era of everybody from the
Speaker 3: other party has to vote against it or you'd get
Speaker 3: primary to lose. Right for everything is a dumb way
Speaker 3: to run a country, But anyway, Wall Street Drummer rights broadly,
Speaker 3: the proposal would boost spending on defense and border security,
Speaker 3: reducing spending on medicaid and food assistance. Hiring tax cuts
Speaker 3: would be extended permanently, so the Trump tax cuts of
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen would become permanent under this, and the bill
Speaker 3: would create new tax cuts that implement temporary versions of
Speaker 3: Trump's plans to eliminate taxes on tips, overtime pay, and
Speaker 3: social security benefits. The proposals projected to increase budget deficits
Speaker 3: by nearly three trillion dollars through twenty thirty four.
Speaker 1: Man I wish the Conservative Party had won the last
Speaker 1: election the fiscally responsive responsible party.
Speaker 3: The House Rules Committee started debating the bill at one
Speaker 3: a m. The morning, trying to tee up the measure
Speaker 3: for a full vote in the House because Johnson was
Speaker 3: really hoping to get it voted on today. So they
Speaker 3: started at one o'clock in the morning. They're in their
Speaker 3: suits and ties and dresses and heels to get this
Speaker 3: all going, hoping that they could vote for it today.
Speaker 3: It still remains to be seen if that can actually
Speaker 3: happen or not. Let me read some more. And this
Speaker 3: is like hot off the presses. This is the very
Speaker 3: latest House Republican struggled to lock down enough votes to
Speaker 3: pass the big beautiful bill. Likely today they're still hoping
Speaker 3: that they can to find the right combination of spending
Speaker 3: and tax changes to please the two warring wings. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna call the warring wings. This isn't the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2: This is me.
Speaker 3: The whatever Trump wants wing I'll vote for. And the
Speaker 3: holy crap, we're gonna ruin our country we spend too
Speaker 3: much money wing. Those are the two wings in my mind. Yeah,
Speaker 3: passage would mark a major win for Trump and a
Speaker 3: step toward extending the tax cuts, cementing other consumative conservative priorities,
Speaker 3: but the fate of the measure was expected to go
Speaker 3: down to the wire, with the final text yet to
Speaker 3: be released. Party dealers struck a deal late last night
Speaker 3: with blue state moderates who have fought for a higher
Speaker 3: cap on the state and local tax the salt deduction.
Speaker 3: So that looks like it's gonna happen at a fairly
Speaker 3: high level. At least this bill that's going to go
Speaker 3: to the Senate is going to have that in there.
Speaker 3: But they still have problems on the other side of
Speaker 3: the gap with conservative a GOP, with conservative hard liners
Speaker 3: demanding faster spending reductions in Medicaid and quicker phase outs
Speaker 3: of clean energy tax breaks. Who are Republicans who want
Speaker 3: to hold on to this clean energy tax breaks? Well,
Speaker 3: that would be the whatever Trump wants crowd. Well, I
Speaker 3: guess no, I would disagree.
Speaker 1: No, it's the I'm getting ten million dollars every six
Speaker 1: months in my district from federal handouts that were signed
Speaker 1: in law by Biden. Biden, it's the old old story.
Speaker 1: We don't need these tanks anymore. Yeah, you're gonna keep
Speaker 1: making them because the plant is in my district. We
Speaker 1: don't need these fake windmills anymore. Yeah, Well, you're gonna
Speaker 1: keep giving us money in my district.
Speaker 3: That we just heard from Andy Harris, he's the chair
Speaker 3: of the House Freedom of Caucus who is trying to
Speaker 3: hold the line on fiscal conservatives somewhat. He said to
Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal. We actually stopped negotiating before midnight
Speaker 3: because we actually had a deal that was then pulled
Speaker 3: off the table. So this bill actually got worse overnight.
Speaker 3: There's no way it passes today, he said. And again,
Speaker 3: when you can only lose three, he's got a lot
Speaker 3: of leverage.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The salt deductions are indefensible morally, absolutely triotically. The rest
Speaker 1: of it there nears cost me zillions of dollars the
Speaker 1: removing of them.
Speaker 3: But the moderates in the high tax states argued for
Speaker 3: a more generous cap on state local tax deductions. They
Speaker 3: were nearing a deal to boost the cap to forty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars from the thirty thousand dollars at the House
Speaker 3: and Means Ways and Means Committee approved, so forty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm horrified by the fact that Trump said, don't
Speaker 1: f with medicaid, because medicaid is so bloated and horrible
Speaker 1: and full of fraud, and it's exploded beyond any resemblance
Speaker 1: to its original purpose. It could be I stand ready
Speaker 1: to be convinced that Trump, with his his highly practical,
Speaker 1: transactionictional view of politics as opposed to highly principle would
Speaker 1: say to me, Joseph, listen, there's no appetite in the
Speaker 1: country for that sort of reform. If we insist on that,
Speaker 1: we're going to lose our opportunity to.
Speaker 2: Do X, Y and Z. Is it stupid? Yes?
Speaker 1: Are we mortgaging our children's future in a way that
Speaker 1: they can't possibly pay back? Yes, we are. But it's
Speaker 1: the best we can get, so shut up. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: the cold reality. I don't know, but I hate it.
Speaker 3: There are seventy million people un medicaid currently under the
Speaker 3: new work requirements that would be imposed by this bill,
Speaker 3: most childless adults without disabilities between nineteen and sixty four
Speaker 3: with what, oping, God, that's my disability? Why I can't
Speaker 3: we ought to be on Medicaid.
Speaker 2: Get on it.
Speaker 3: So working age males who don't have anything wrong with
Speaker 3: them would have to provide documentation that they worked eighty
Speaker 3: hours a month prior to applying.
Speaker 2: Well, good luck with that making that work.
Speaker 1: Last I heard it's worked or volunteered, Yeah, exactly, studied
Speaker 1: or tried to work.
Speaker 3: Or have a family friend who will sign off on
Speaker 3: a thing claiming you work. I personally have known plenty
Speaker 3: of people who jobbed that whole system and currently do
Speaker 3: I like when I'm listening to NPR or any mainstream
Speaker 3: media how they always talk about the number of people
Speaker 3: that would be kicked off under some Republican proposals, never
Speaker 3: with the idea that there might be some people that
Speaker 3: should be kicked off. They presented as it's every single
Speaker 3: person deserves every single one of these seventy million people
Speaker 3: getting taxpayer funded healthcare deserves it right.
Speaker 2: And to ask them to pay for it the air
Speaker 2: damn cells is a horror.
Speaker 1: How dare he is like the rest of the heartless
Speaker 1: heartless conservative We'll see where this goes.
Speaker 3: The threats have only begun, I'm sure from Trump and
Speaker 3: his allies against the Freedom Caucus members who might be
Speaker 3: old and it's up today about being primaried or or worse.
Speaker 2: The sort of phone calls you get, tweets you get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I don't know. You call it the
Speaker 1: Big Beautiful Bill. I'm calling it the huge horrendous horror.
Speaker 1: It's unless I come up with something better. It's literally
Speaker 1: called the Big Beautiful Bill. They changed the name of
Speaker 1: it yesterday. That's the actual name of the legislation now,
Speaker 1: kind of like the and you can name. As we
Speaker 1: all learn, you can name a bill anything.
Speaker 3: You could call it Freddy the Bill if you want,
Speaker 3: or you can call it the Inflation Reduction Act when
Speaker 3: it's got nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1: So as we all an, the late Great Abraham Lincoln
Speaker 1: taughtis how many dogs?
Speaker 2: How many can I have? A second takes, Michael? Do
Speaker 2: we have enough? Tastes good? All right? As the late
Speaker 2: do I need to do the intro again? Or just
Speaker 2: the punchline? Do the whole whole thing?
Speaker 1: As the as the late Great Abraham Lincoln taughtis, how
Speaker 1: many legs does a dog have? If you call its
Speaker 1: tail a leg? The answer is four. You can call
Speaker 1: it's tail a leg. That doesn't make it a leg.
Speaker 1: You could call it the big beautiful bill. You can
Speaker 1: name it the big beautiful bill. It's the huge horrendous horror.
Speaker 1: That's a good quote right there. It's the big what's
Speaker 1: another good B word? Big? I can't think of like
Speaker 1: a derogatory adjective with a bee, because betrayal will be
Speaker 1: the third word. More like the big bitchy betrayal, except
Speaker 1: bitchy doesn't really work.
Speaker 2: Bulls would be pretty good. Oh that is good, but
Speaker 2: we can't say that on the air. We can, my jehad.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine if we said that on the air,
Speaker 3: what would happen? Children would be crying, oh please, Pregnant
Speaker 3: women would be you know, their water would break?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, the sighted would go blind. Then blind
Speaker 2: would go death. I mean if somebody said bulls on
Speaker 2: the air, blind would go death.
Speaker 3: Norm from Cheers died. We got a little tribute to him,
Speaker 3: among other things on the way. Stay tuned, everybody, what
Speaker 3: do you know?
Speaker 5: Not enough?
Speaker 2: Haven't done? Anybody? Better give me a tall one cause
Speaker 2: I like it, need anybody. I was life drinking your Norm.
Speaker 2: I just ran over its dog my nipples. It's freezy
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: How can I laving on?
Speaker 3: Well, I ain't gonna need something to kill time before
Speaker 3: my second beer.
Speaker 2: How about the first one?
Speaker 3: George Way, who played Norm on Cheers, died yesterday, not
Speaker 3: very old. I didn't know any six. I think I
Speaker 3: didn't know.
Speaker 2: Jason Sudacas was his nephew. His sister.
Speaker 3: Is Jason Sakas's. But I was just looking up at
Speaker 3: the TV. In Boston. If you've ever been there, they
Speaker 3: got a Cheers bar that calls itself Cheers and looks
Speaker 3: a lot like Cheers, and people go there to buy
Speaker 3: t shirts and hats and get their picture taken.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it was full of people this morning. Looking at
Speaker 2: the crowd.
Speaker 3: It's mostly people who don't need much of a reason
Speaker 3: to drink in the morning.
Speaker 2: Looking at that crowd, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, judge him, Judgerson. Well, he was a beloved character
Speaker 1: and he'll be missed. He actually had a pretty good
Speaker 1: career on Broadway after that. I guess, partially trading on
Speaker 1: his fame and Cheers. But why wouldn't you. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a zillion good actors. Somebody's got to get the job.
Speaker 2: He's also famous for dull bears all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah on Saturday. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. So here
Speaker 1: is something entirely good. I think after bringing you down
Speaker 1: for most of the show today, have just I just
Speaker 1: I've had it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna blow
Speaker 1: sunshine up.
Speaker 2: Your hind end or whatever. Thank you.
Speaker 3: I did the reality. You need to be slacked in
Speaker 3: the side of the head with reality. That's gotta feel refreshing.
Speaker 3: It's like a sunshine but day.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I came across this, uh, written by a feller
Speaker 1: my school banned phones for the year. Here's what happened.
Speaker 1: I can cut to the end. It was a struggle
Speaker 1: at first, right, They went with the pouches first, and
Speaker 1: the kids with their phone in the sealed pouch still
Speaker 1: felt the dopamine burst whenever the vibration went off.
Speaker 2: Naha, I had to know. Somebody texted me, I'll but
Speaker 2: it's a very very important right, I just got a
Speaker 2: social media alert. They had to see. It drove the mad.
Speaker 1: Students started taking pens and stabbing them through the fake
Speaker 1: kevlar pouches. Other kids started using their keys to saw
Speaker 1: the locking mechanism off. Others would bring two phones to school.
Speaker 1: They'd let the dean watch them pop their old phone
Speaker 1: into the pouch and entry and keeps their main phone
Speaker 1: in their backpack until the coast was clear.
Speaker 2: Kids.
Speaker 1: Well, one kid even got intro entrepreneurial about it. He
Speaker 1: went on Amazon and bought the magnet that unlocked the
Speaker 1: phone pouches for fifty bucks. Then he charged kids at
Speaker 1: dollar every time they wanted to unlock their phone. Yes,
Speaker 1: kid made a tidy prophet. By the time we confiscated
Speaker 1: the magnet. You just got to admire that kid. Sure,
Speaker 1: But then the school which kept on trying this year.
Speaker 1: Students must hand in their phones at entry or we
Speaker 1: immediately call their parents. The phones are plugged into safe
Speaker 1: boxes that the students are not allowed to access until
Speaker 1: the final bell is wrung. There are no constant vibrations
Speaker 1: reminding you you're missing out on something, and there are
Speaker 1: no pouches to rip, and they instituted and this is
Speaker 1: going to take a little spine, which is in short
Speaker 1: supply in modern America. Consequences for smuggling your phone past
Speaker 1: entry are high, immediate attention calling parents. That's next personal
Speaker 1: visit from the dean mid class. There were some pushback,
Speaker 1: but we teachers stuck to our guns because they got
Speaker 1: the backing of the administration.
Speaker 3: Here's my prediction, we won't be doing this news story
Speaker 3: in five years because it will not be unique in
Speaker 3: that everybody is going to be doing it at every school.
Speaker 3: And we're going to look back on the era where
Speaker 3: they allowed phones like, what the hell were we thinking?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Like they were letting the kids have sex in class,
Speaker 1: I mean just utterly unthinkable. Well, like you know, back
Speaker 1: in our day, it would have been a you know,
Speaker 1: a thirty six inch TV screen in class wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you let Joe bring a big screen TV into class.
Speaker 3: Well, I only get three channels and there's nothing on
Speaker 3: during the day, so it wouldn't have been that helpful.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so they get to the point they are
Speaker 1: now where they've figured out how to actually keep the
Speaker 1: phones away from the kids, and I read on the
Speaker 1: results have been spectacular. Teachers don't have to fight an
Speaker 1: impossible battle against tech. Students talk to each other between classes.
Speaker 1: The cafeteria has the sound of conversation. Teachers cover material faster.
Speaker 1: Cyber bullying has fallen a lot. When a fight happens,
Speaker 1: half the school doesn't immediately run out of the classroom
Speaker 1: to watch mindless doom. Scrolling happens on their time, not
Speaker 1: school time. Boys can't watch porn in the bathroom or
Speaker 1: the cafeteria. I don't have to fight an impossible war
Speaker 1: against the greatest human behavioral psychologist Silicon Valley has ever employed.
Speaker 1: Let me read that again, a teacher saying, I don't
Speaker 1: have to fight an impossible war against the greatest human
Speaker 1: behavioral psychologists Silicon Valley has ever employed. Seriously, here's a
Speaker 1: typical scenario in my gym. Well, and then he talks
Speaker 1: about in gym class how the kids go along with
Speaker 1: it and they end up having fun and having a laugh.
Speaker 1: And last year I was battling the greatest entertainment system
Speaker 1: the world ever unleashed student would listen to my plays,
Speaker 1: please say, They would get up and then immediately f
Speaker 1: off on their phone again. Why would you play in
Speaker 1: the gym when you could sit against a wall and
Speaker 1: watch endless entertainment personally curated for your tastes. Now I
Speaker 1: battle boredom and that's a winnable fight, personally curated for
Speaker 1: your taste. So I want to talk about that inn
Speaker 1: Hour four it.
Speaker 3: Man, you gotta be careful of what you click on
Speaker 3: because then the algorithm will think you like it and
Speaker 3: feed you in endlessly.
Speaker 2: And I'm not this into it, hey, algorithm, I was
Speaker 2: a one mistake. I'm not this into this.
Speaker 1: Well, ban all smartphones now, got a great hour four
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