WEBVTT - Susan Visits the Sites [Bonus]

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another special bonus episode of Monster BTK. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Nomes Griffin. I'm one of the writers and

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<v Speaker 1>producers for this season of Monster. While we were in

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<v Speaker 1>production for the show, I flew to Wichita to meet

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<v Speaker 1>up with another writer and producer, Jesse Funk, and our

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<v Speaker 1>host Susan Peters. Over the course of three days in Wichita, Jesse, Susan,

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<v Speaker 1>and I sat down to interview Steve Ralford, Charlie Otero,

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Smeiser, and Larry Hatteberg. And Susan also acted as

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<v Speaker 1>our Wichita tour guide, showing us the city she's called

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<v Speaker 1>home for decades. We took time each day we were

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<v Speaker 1>there to visit the important locations in this story. Susan

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<v Speaker 1>told us that when she first met Steve Ralford, she

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<v Speaker 1>was able to accompany him to the home where his

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<v Speaker 1>mother was killed. It was an emotional experience for both

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<v Speaker 1>of them. She shared that for her the visit was

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to support a grieving Steve and pay her

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<v Speaker 1>respects to his late mother, Shirley Vayanne. But she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have that for every victim, and in particular, she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to do that for the Otto family.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, perfect, So you went to I'm so sorry, honey. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna call you later on today to see how

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<v Speaker 2>you're feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>As we pulled into the Otaro's former neighborhood, Susan called

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<v Speaker 1>up Charlie Otero, the eldest of the Otaro siblings, and

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<v Speaker 1>they chatted briefly.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, honey, I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>When they hung up, we walked up the sidewalk to

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<v Speaker 1>the front of the house. It was a warm sunny

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<v Speaker 1>day and a rooster was crowing from the backyard. The

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<v Speaker 1>house faces a major street, so cars passed by rather frequently.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll just be honest. I had never been to

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<v Speaker 2>this house before. I've reported on it one and a

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<v Speaker 2>half million times, seen it in video over and over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again. But coming to this property, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a pit in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>Of my stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so so haunting because you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>front door, everything's the same. It's a small white home

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<v Speaker 2>where a wonderful family lived in an average part of

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<v Speaker 2>town in Wichita, Kansas. It's a tree lined street with sidewalks.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a family neighborhood. In the seventies, this was

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<v Speaker 2>a total family neighborhood. The kids walked to school. Charley

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<v Speaker 2>O'tero walked to Southeast High School from this neighborhood. It's

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<v Speaker 2>on a busy street, and it was on a busy

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<v Speaker 2>street in the seventies. This was a neighborhood where you

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<v Speaker 2>thought you were safe. In the nineteen seventies in Wichita, Kansas,

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<v Speaker 2>every place was safe, and that evil, evil, horrible man

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<v Speaker 2>killed two children in this home. Dennis Raider's famous thing

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<v Speaker 2>that he was known for is cutting the telephone cord.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a home what ten feet away, but he had

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<v Speaker 2>the illness, the sickness to come to the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>these two homes, cut the court the telephone line, and

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<v Speaker 2>then go to the front door with a gun. The

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<v Speaker 2>Otero family home here on Edgemore Street is the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the changing of the Wichital community. This is where

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<v Speaker 2>the Witchitalk community began to change from a sleepy, safe

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<v Speaker 2>town where no one locked their doors, to.

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<v Speaker 3>A town of.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for years, horror, a town of horror, very very

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<v Speaker 2>haunting and unbelievable. Honestly, I am ripped apart being here

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<v Speaker 2>because it's the first time I've been here.

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<v Speaker 3>Knowing what Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>Went through, my heart is broken seeing this house.

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<v Speaker 1>The house is occupied by another family, so he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>stay long. Next, Susan wanted to visit the house where

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Ralford grew up again.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been to this house before, just a small white

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<v Speaker 2>house on a busy street in the middle of Wichita, Kansas.

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<v Speaker 2>And it looks exactly the same as when I brought

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Ralford here in two thousand and five. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure it looks exactly the same as it did when

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<v Speaker 2>Steve lived here in nineteen seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 3>It just doesn't look like it's changed much at home.

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<v Speaker 2>And after BTK was captured and we flew Steve Ralford

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<v Speaker 2>back to Wichita, I said, is there anything I can

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<v Speaker 2>do for you?

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<v Speaker 3>And he said, take me to the house.

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<v Speaker 2>So we picked him up and at the hotel and.

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<v Speaker 3>We brought him here.

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<v Speaker 2>I had already knocked on the door of the house

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<v Speaker 2>and said, I'm Susan Peters, can would come in Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>They were very nice and said yes. We walked Steve

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<v Speaker 2>and I walked into this house at thirteen eleven South

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<v Speaker 2>Hydraulic and he said, it looks exactly the same. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks exactly the same. The living room's there. He walked

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<v Speaker 2>directly into the bedroom back here of this house, knelt

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<v Speaker 2>down in his mom's bedroom and started saying a prayer

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<v Speaker 2>and cried his eyes out. It was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>he had been back since the day of the murder,

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<v Speaker 2>since the day he witnessed his mother being brutally killed

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<v Speaker 2>by BTK, and so for him to be inside the house,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it provided some sort of I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Say closure, but it helped a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Seeing that it still exists and that it's with a

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<v Speaker 2>new family who's making new memories here.

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<v Speaker 3>The feeling that I get in front.

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<v Speaker 2>Of this house, I see Steve Ralford at this house,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't see him as a six year old.

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<v Speaker 2>I see him as he is now, still a broken man,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'll even admit.

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<v Speaker 3>That day broke him.

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<v Speaker 2>My thought is of frustration, because a horrible parasite changed

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<v Speaker 2>a whole family's life forever inside this home by a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of chance. So my only other feeling besides complete sadness,

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<v Speaker 2>is very very much anger.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>About five minutes down the road from the Otto House

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<v Speaker 1>is where Catherine Bright lived in nineteen seventy four. The

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<v Speaker 1>houses that were once there have since been demolished.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is Hillside and thirteen and which Test states

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<v Speaker 2>at seventeen. Okay, here we are at the site where

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<v Speaker 2>BTK killed his fifth victim and changed the life of

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<v Speaker 2>her brother forever. On this corner, that's an empty lot

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<v Speaker 2>right now. There were several houses. It was close to

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<v Speaker 2>which Test State University, so students would rent. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>who is here on this busy corner.

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<v Speaker 1>On the lot where Catherine Bright's house once stood. You

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<v Speaker 1>can still see where the foundations were laid and where

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<v Speaker 1>the mailbox was. Today there's a neighborhood a block behind

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<v Speaker 1>the lot. It faces out to one of the busiest

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<v Speaker 1>intersections in East Wichita.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They described it back then as her house being on

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<v Speaker 2>a hill.

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<v Speaker 3>This is much of a hill as you get and

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<v Speaker 3>which you talked to ANSAs. The most shocking thing about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is how many people were around that day. There had

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<v Speaker 2>to have been so many. There were businesses on this corner.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all that was on this corner were businesses.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>Bright, after he was shot, ran from this corner down

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<v Speaker 2>to a business down the street and said, call the police,

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<v Speaker 2>Call the police.

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<v Speaker 1>As we visited the second sight of a BTK murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Something sunk in for Susan.

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<v Speaker 2>I never registered. I'm gonna bend to some of the sites,

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<v Speaker 2>but it never registered.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all busy streets, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do you think that is?

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<v Speaker 3>I think Dennis Raider had such an ego.

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<v Speaker 2>That he never thought he was going to be caught,

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<v Speaker 2>and he almost did in the back of his mind

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<v Speaker 2>did busy streets to say, I just dare you.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care if it's a busy street.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a brazen evil person.

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<v Speaker 1>From the Hillside intersection, we continued east on Thirteenth Street

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<v Speaker 1>to stop by a place Susan calls home, the Cake

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<v Speaker 1>TV Station.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here we are in the Cake studios where we

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<v Speaker 2>did the newscast.

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<v Speaker 1>How does it feel to be in the newsroom were he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Been twenty five years? It feels wonderful. It still feels

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<v Speaker 2>like home to me. This studio still feels like home

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<v Speaker 2>to me. And the reason, I think one of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons it does is because we went through so many

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<v Speaker 2>stories together and tragedies together, of course, the biggest one

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<v Speaker 2>being BTK.

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<v Speaker 3>We went through that together.

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<v Speaker 2>For a whole year and a half and it was

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<v Speaker 2>gut wrenching.

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<v Speaker 3>It took all of our emotions out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of us because we knew when we were sitting at

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<v Speaker 2>this set that I'm standing at right now, when we

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<v Speaker 2>were communicating BTK stories, we were communicating to BTK, we

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<v Speaker 2>were saying things that would get BTK to react and

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<v Speaker 2>send another clue. So we were sitting here at this set,

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<v Speaker 2>not only doing a newscast in this set, but we

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to catch a killer from the set.

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<v Speaker 4>He knew he was listening.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew he was watching every night.

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<v Speaker 2>We knew BTK was watching us from this news set

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<v Speaker 2>every night. He said it in his letters to us.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Susan told us about her memories in the Cake studio

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<v Speaker 1>during the BTK era. The new generation of KKTV anchors

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<v Speaker 1>listened in.

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<v Speaker 2>And then another memory I have of the studio in

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<v Speaker 2>relation to BTK.

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<v Speaker 3>He pleaded guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the preliminary hearing, Okay, So my call anchor

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<v Speaker 2>and I Jeff, we set up a special BTK set

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<v Speaker 2>for the preliminary hearing and the sentenzene hearing and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was in that corner of the studio was a

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<v Speaker 2>special BTK set, And we go on the air that

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<v Speaker 2>morning and Jeff and I are talking in this corner. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the preliminary hearing starts at nine o'clock. Okay, oh, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be out of the studio by nine fifteen, nine thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just a preliminary hearing, please agreement. We sat

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<v Speaker 2>in that corner with our mouths dropped open for four

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<v Speaker 2>hours as Dennis Rader described in detail every single murder,

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<v Speaker 2>in detail, horrifying detail, like he was being interviewed on

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<v Speaker 2>an entertainment show, like he was accepting an Academy award.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget. We sat in that corner, stunned, our

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<v Speaker 2>stomachs in knots, and of course, as an anchor person,

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<v Speaker 2>you're taking notes as to what he said.

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<v Speaker 3>I still have all those notes.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even believe what I was writing down because

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<v Speaker 2>we couldn't believe what he was saying. And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>other spooky memory I have of this set is in

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<v Speaker 2>that corner, us just sitting there as all of Wichita was.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding me? This is evil? Over and over

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<v Speaker 3>and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know about this, Oh he said, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that says David. I'll never forget that morning. It was

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter's first day at school. They were in grade

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<v Speaker 2>school still.

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<v Speaker 3>I had one.

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<v Speaker 2>In kindergarten and one four years older, so that would

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<v Speaker 2>be fourth grade. And I took him to school in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning. Was you know how emotional first day of

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<v Speaker 2>school is for parents. So I cried, dropped him off.

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<v Speaker 2>First day of school came right in the preliminary hearing

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<v Speaker 2>was starting at nine o'clock and I go, we can

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<v Speaker 2>get out of here because I just want to go

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<v Speaker 2>home and cry.

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<v Speaker 3>And we go. You know it's going to be fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so weird going from dropping them off at

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<v Speaker 2>school and crying and then coming right to the studio,

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<v Speaker 2>never thinking in a million years you were going to

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<v Speaker 2>sit through four hours of pure vile evil. And I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't crying for me. I was crying for the victims'

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<v Speaker 2>families who were in the courtroom that day. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>watching them on camera in the courtroom, and I said

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<v Speaker 2>to myself, I just got to drop my kids off

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<v Speaker 2>at school, and here they Charlie was a school kid himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Ralford was five years old. He never got the

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<v Speaker 2>chance to go to a normal school life again after

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<v Speaker 2>he watched just Mom being killed. Not to get too philosophical,

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<v Speaker 2>but how does God choose. I mean, I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>not God that chooses, but I don't know. I'm sorry, day, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess the studio has more in motion than it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>so much evil was talked about in this studio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think I'm done.

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<v Speaker 1>We left the studio so the anchors could prepare for

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<v Speaker 1>the afternoon newscast, and Susan took us downstairs to the newsroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Here she explained to us what would happen after the

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<v Speaker 1>station received a BTK letter.

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<v Speaker 2>So what would happen is the receptionist would get the

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<v Speaker 2>mail and she would get the feeling. The receptionists would

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<v Speaker 2>get the feeling that this is from BTK. She'd immediately

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<v Speaker 2>put on rubber gloves the news director and walk the

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<v Speaker 2>clue postcard back to the newsroom. Here, the news director,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm taking it through a maze.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the way I.

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<v Speaker 2>Used to get to the newsroom. So the receptionist would

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<v Speaker 2>call the news director. The news director would immediately get

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<v Speaker 2>his rubber gloves on and walk out and get the

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<v Speaker 2>letter and bring it up to the newsroom. And as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as the news director walked in the newsroom with

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<v Speaker 2>a clue or a letter from BTK. He'd call the

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<v Speaker 2>police first. Right after that, he'd call a photographer and say,

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<v Speaker 2>come shoot this video.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, got to get a video. So he'd go in

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<v Speaker 3>his office here.

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<v Speaker 2>The police would come right in this office. The news

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<v Speaker 2>director would put his rubber gloves on in case there

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<v Speaker 2>were fingerprints or anything. A photographer would come in and

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<v Speaker 2>the police would come in, confiscate the.

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<v Speaker 3>Clue or the letter. We did that four times.

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<v Speaker 2>The first letter BTK sent to us after he reappeared

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<v Speaker 2>was simply a piece of paper that said the BTK

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<v Speaker 2>story one through thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>We made copies of that copy copy.

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<v Speaker 2>We went out into the newsroom and every single reporter here,

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<v Speaker 2>at every single desk you see a couple dozen desks here,

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<v Speaker 2>got a copy of that letter, and we just analyzed

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<v Speaker 2>and analyzed and analyzed. We were trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what this was, who this guy was, and if this

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<v Speaker 2>could have given us any sort of clue. All of

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<v Speaker 2>us sat here in the newsroom and said we were scared.

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<v Speaker 1>Our final style was in Park City.

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<v Speaker 2>The city of Park City bought this house from Denis

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<v Speaker 2>Raider's ex wife and then tore it down because there

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<v Speaker 2>were so many gawkers and sightseers who would drive by.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there still are, especially with what has happened lately.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see remnants.

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<v Speaker 1>The week before our trip to Wichita, the news broke

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<v Speaker 1>that BTK was a suspect in the nineteen seventy six

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<v Speaker 1>disappearance a Missouri woman, Cynthia don Kenney. The month prior,

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<v Speaker 1>the Osage County Sheriff's Department in Oklahoma obtained apertmit to

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<v Speaker 1>search the lot for evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>You see the sidewalk that's newly ripped up, newly excavated,

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<v Speaker 2>because they found mementos from one of Denis Raiders killed

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<v Speaker 2>buried underground here just last month, and so I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>other people are coming here to sightsee. But this is really, really,

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<v Speaker 2>really after all these years, it's been twenty almost twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years since he reappeared, almost twenty years since he reappeared,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the first time, really in twenty years,

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<v Speaker 2>that Denis Raiders' home is the site of another crime scene,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, freshly dug up dirt and sidewalk that

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<v Speaker 2>housed some of Denis Raiders mementos from past crimes, past killings.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's really weird to see it because you never

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<v Speaker 2>thought you'd see it again.

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<v Speaker 1>The sidewalk that Osage County tore up leads from independent

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<v Speaker 1>through the lot and behind neighbors' houses to a public park.

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<v Speaker 2>So the city built a walkway here that welcomes you

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<v Speaker 2>to this park down the street and behind his property.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's almost like we're turning this place where an

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<v Speaker 2>evil parasite used to live into something nice for children,

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<v Speaker 2>into something that will help children grow and play and thrive.

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<v Speaker 2>Carrie Rosson and I came here to her former residence

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<v Speaker 2>where Dennis Raider lived when she first came out with

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<v Speaker 2>her book a couple of years ago, and we walked

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<v Speaker 2>along the property. She pointed out, see those tulips over there,

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<v Speaker 2>My dad and I planted them. My dad taught me

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<v Speaker 2>how to plant tulips. See this over here, She pointed

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<v Speaker 2>to that tree and said, see that tree. My dad

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<v Speaker 2>built the neatest treehouse for us in that tree, and

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<v Speaker 2>we used to climb up in the treehouse all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's walking through this lot reminiscing about her normal childhood.

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<v Speaker 4>What could you say? You know, I've noticed as we

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<v Speaker 4>were sitting, you know, walking through this property, well it

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<v Speaker 4>used to be his property. I've noticed two cars that

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<v Speaker 4>come pass, and you see they slow down.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why the city of Park City wanted to tear

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<v Speaker 2>the house down in the first place, because it used

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<v Speaker 2>to be a steady stream, just a steady stream of

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<v Speaker 2>gawker down this quiet little street. And now even though

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<v Speaker 2>the house is torn down and we're standing in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of an empty lot, we still see cars driving

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<v Speaker 2>by pointing to the.

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<v Speaker 3>Lot that this is where BTK lived.

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<v Speaker 2>These neighbors here now, I'm sure they're very tired of

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<v Speaker 2>people coming down the street and gawking at the house.

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<v Speaker 2>But it'll happen that way forever and ever. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>stopping it.

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<v Speaker 4>As we sit here, also outside of Raider's house, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when everything's done with the new investigations, and what do

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<v Speaker 4>you think should be done to this property? Should you

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<v Speaker 4>just leave it as land or should they do you

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<v Speaker 4>have you know, no.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a very good question.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think should be put here that can

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<v Speaker 4>make it maybe that being such a landmark.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a very very good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel if it was a place that people had

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<v Speaker 2>access to, you wouldn't have people driving by. It would

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<v Speaker 2>just be another another thing on the street, and it

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<v Speaker 2>would cease to be be tk's property. If they built

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<v Speaker 2>something here that people could name, for instance, a food pantry,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a mini park here the city of Parks city

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<v Speaker 2>could build. Maybe if they built a mini park here,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people would look at this area the same.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they'd look at it, look at it as

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<v Speaker 2>a park where kids could play and recreate. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think they'd drive down the street and say that was

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<v Speaker 2>btk's house.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree, and as I'm sitting here and looking, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a dog park.

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<v Speaker 1>I've spent the last two years working on this project,

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<v Speaker 1>and our trip to Wichita was one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>difficult parts. Not only were the interviews emotionally heavy, but

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<v Speaker 1>so were these site visits. The demolition of Dennis Raider's

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<v Speaker 1>home should have signaled the finality of this case, but

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<v Speaker 1>walking past the torn up sidewalk, it just goes to

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<v Speaker 1>show you that closure is fickle. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Raider actually committed this nineteen seventy six murder, but

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<v Speaker 1>after this trip, I do know that the city of

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<v Speaker 1>Wichita is incredibly resilient,