1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now moved the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: here Buck? How you doing, man, man, I'm good business. Ever, 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: you put out some uh really good content over Twitter 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: and some of the stuff that you put on the web, 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: so some of that has been kind of reacting to 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: the aggregate tweets that you put out there. But I'm 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: excited to talk about some of this stuff on the pot. 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty cool. I and we'll get to that. 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: I found a document. My wife had been doing some 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: cleaning and she found some old files and one of 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: them was a folder called Scout School, which when I 13 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: was with the Baltimore Ravens, Phil Savage had had put 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: this into place where every scout would have to make 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: a presentation to the staff at training camp. And one 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: of those presentations, we had somebody on our staff who 17 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: had been with the Browns, uh, you know, all the 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: way back to the early Belichick years, and Belichick had 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: made a presentation to the staff on what they were 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: looking for in players. And these are the typed up 21 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: notes from that that discussion from February n UM and 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: they gave us those handouts, and I wanted this was 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: probably back in two thousand four so when they gave 24 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: us these, So I found it and a lot of 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: the stuff that he said in here still holds true today, 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: which was fascinating. And in the last twenty four hours 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: after I posted this, one of the top receivers in 28 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: the NFL shot me a direct message and said, uh, man, 29 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: it's amazing how all this stuff is still true today. 30 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: Uh this morning, Buck, I had somebody say that their 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: owner on a conference call brought up what was said 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: in in this packet with their staff. Uh so, I 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of people that got to kick 34 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: out of that thing. Yeah, well it matters. I mean, 35 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: like DJ, we're talking about things that can stand the 36 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: test of time, and there's value to experience. And Bill 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: Belichick has had a ton of experience. He's seen the 38 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: game um a variety of decades, and there's some things 39 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: that are common denominators that will never go away. And 40 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: I think what you highlighted and what you pointed out 41 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: when this cussing the offensive prospects, I think all that 42 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: stuff matters. And if you look at the way the 43 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: game plays out like it may have some ebbs and 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: flows in terms of style to play from some outliers, 45 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: but typically the teams that win are the teams that 46 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: are kind of built like that packet described um big 47 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: physical um, the ability to run the ball when you 48 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: need to run it, quarterback that makes big decisions, that 49 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: can make plays when he's called upon um and then 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: having the variety of players to be able to depend 51 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: on like those teams are always in the conversation. You 52 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: may not win the championship each and every year, but 53 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: you're always in the conversation. You're always under consideration, no doubt. 54 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: And if you if you want to check that out, 55 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: just go on my on my Twitter page and move 56 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: the sticks. You can find that. I tweeted out the 57 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: offense what we're gonna do today on the podcast, UM 58 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: I didn't want to give away all the goodies on 59 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: on Twitter, So we're gonna do the defense. We'll talk 60 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: about what he mentioned, what he looked for on the 61 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, and see how that holds 62 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: up today. So that's gonna be a fun discussion. But 63 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: before we get there, Buck, I do have updated top fifty. Uh. 64 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: I know, if you had a chance to pull it 65 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: up at all, there's not I mean really not that 66 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: much movement. Um. I can kind of go through some 67 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: of the highlights here and just get your thoughts on them. 68 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: But you know, to uh I mentioned after seeing that 69 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: video the other day, you know, put too much stock 70 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: into it. But man, he looks like he's progressed quite well. Um. 71 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: It gave me a little bit of courage, some of 72 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: that maybe Twitter courage, we would say, because we saw 73 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: that video posted on Twitter, and I moved him up 74 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: one spot. Uh two, number six on my list. He's 75 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: still my number two quarterback, but moved him up a 76 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: little bit. Other movement inside the top ten. Jeddrick Wills. 77 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: We talked about this, Uh, you know, going back to 78 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: kind of where you're at the beginning, Jeddrick Wills is 79 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: now my tenth player. He moved up two spots and 80 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: that's about where he began the process. Buck. I think 81 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: I had him at eight or nine, so he's he's 82 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: right back up there to number ten. At some point time, 83 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: you get to this point in the process and you say, hey, 84 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: let's not overthink this thing. What you thought initially was 85 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: probably right. Well, look, DJ, we had a conversation privately 86 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: on the phone about like how everything kind of comes 87 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: back to UH first and presents and after long journey, 88 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: we kind of get back to where we started. And 89 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: I think the big thing with the guys that you 90 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: mentioned is just kind of annoying who they are and 91 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: seeing them play at a high level consistently over time, 92 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: it's easy to kind of fall back in love with 93 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: those guys. And I think Jajrik Wills is a perfect example. 94 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: He's really solid. He's been solid throughout his career. He's 95 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: been solid when you watched the tape. And I think 96 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: there's some comfort in value to just taking really good players. 97 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, when 98 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: we look back at this draft in four or five years, 99 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: those players that we thought were just solid blue ship players, 100 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna kind of stand the test of time. And 101 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: I think Digrick Wills is gonna be one of those guys. Yeah, 102 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: I agree. And we get to eleven through twenty really 103 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: not a lot of change. Um, nobody moving more than 104 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: one spot except for one guy, and that is at 105 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: number eighteen, Kenneth Murray moves up four spots for me, 106 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: the linebacker from Oklahoma, And people wonder how can you 107 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: move up during this time of year. While some of 108 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: it's watching more tape, the other part of it, Buck 109 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: is when I've talked to the teams that have met 110 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: with him, and I've continued to have dialogue with people 111 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma. This kid's character and and uh, just the 112 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: way he handles himself as a pro. And so to me, 113 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: I I saw the ceiling with him. You know, becauld 114 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: you see the speed. I didn't think. I thought the 115 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: instinct wise he was good, not great. But you get 116 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: to the point in the process where you get more 117 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: comfortable with the person and the kid, and I'm like, 118 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: these are the kind of guys you bet on, And 119 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: so I'm I'm I'm in on Kenneth Murray. He's up 120 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: four spots number eighteen for me. Good kid, great leader. 121 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: I think what's important when you look at Um a 122 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: player like him. Yeah, we can talk about the the 123 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: ability to hit, running cover, his ability to blitz, his 124 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: ability to match up with running back to do all 125 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: that stuff, but the leadership stuff really matters. Um the 126 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: challenges that he's had to overcome at home. I think 127 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: listening to Matt Rule and Man Rule talking about football 128 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: diversity and seeing how people deal with that kind of 129 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: adversity and how they respond and how they handle it, 130 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: how it kind of shapes and reveals their character. I'm 131 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: more willing to buy into the kid, and I think 132 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: the kid has the right kind of stuff to be accessible. Yeah, 133 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: we get to uh, we get to the twenty one 134 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: through thirty and Uh, there's a little bit of movement 135 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: here is Xavier McKinney goes down four spots. So basically 136 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: I kind of kept the list clean. I just swapped him, 137 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: uh with Kenneth Murray, So they just swapped spots there, 138 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: kind of kept the list a little bit cleaner. Uh. 139 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney still the top safety for me, there's not 140 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 1: there's no elite trade buck. He's just really solid. Um, 141 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: he's a good force player, He's got a good instinct, 142 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: he's a great tackler. Again, another high character person. Um, 143 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: but not you didn't have those elite traits to me 144 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: that I would say, Okay, I stand on the table. 145 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: This is a top twenty pick. I have missed my 146 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: twenty second guy. Yeah, it's funny with with Xavier, right, Like, 147 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: Xavier strikes me as a a good player, but I 148 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: don't know, like, I don't know what kind of impact 149 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: player he is. You know, um, he's solid, but I 150 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: don't know. It just coulda leads me wanting more. And 151 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it's necessarily fair to him. 152 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: But when you think about like the top safety in 153 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: a draft class, you think about a first round pick, 154 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: you think about what is he going to add to 155 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: the defense. And when I look at him, I see 156 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: someone who can come in and be a solid starter. 157 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily see a dynamic player. I don't 158 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: see a game changer. So I don't know how excited 159 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,559 Speaker 1: enthusiastic I would be in the first round to run 160 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: the card up to say that this is gonna be 161 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: my safety. He's gonna change our defense for the next 162 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: five years. Yeah, And that's a challenge, and that's why 163 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: you have some other guys that are behind him that 164 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: have a higher ceiling. I think he's gonna be a 165 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: good player. I think you're not gonna miss on him. 166 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: He kind of goes back to the whole doubles thing, Right, 167 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: if you just want to hit a double, because Avery 168 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: McKinney is a double, you're not gonna miss on him. 169 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: He's gonna start for your team for the next eight years. 170 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Uh and be a good player. I don't know if 171 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: he's going to be a dynamic player, but I agree 172 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: with he's gonna be just a real solid good player. 173 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: So that's where I have him. Another mover in this range, 174 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: Brandon aiyuk Um. I kind of wanted to go back 175 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: to where I initially was on him. He goes up 176 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: three spots, the number twenty four. I just believe in. 177 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: I believe in this kid man and the way he plays. 178 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 1: He's a red star type player. You know, I don't 179 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: have we talked to him, but I don't have as 180 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: much information on him off the field. I enjoyed our 181 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: conversation with him at the Senior Bowl. But the way 182 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: he plays, the aggressiveness, the competitiveness, Um, those are the 183 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: guys at the end of the day, that's the guys 184 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: I want to have my name on. And that's why 185 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: I moved him back up three spots. I get it, 186 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: I understand it. And and like we talked about the process, right, 187 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: we talked about the process is first just trying to 188 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: get guys in the right neighborhood. Now trying to kind 189 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: of put him in the right house, and that's where 190 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: we're at. And there's some things like the guys that 191 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: are really at the top of the board should be 192 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: difference makers, game changers, guys that you can see the 193 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: impact immediately when they walk into the field. And I 194 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: think we're at the point now where we kind of 195 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: at that borderline stage, that borderline stage where we may 196 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: get start solid starters, but we don't know if these 197 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: guys are necessarily going to pop. And so I understand it. 198 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: I understand why you made a move. Yeah, you kind 199 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: of see the theme here. As we go thirty one 200 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: to forty, UM, the big mover there in that group, 201 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: uh is going to be Zack Bond. And Zach Bond 202 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: goes up five spots. He's up to number thirty three, 203 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: and this is I think I had him in this 204 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: neighborhood at one point in time. He kind of finds 205 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: his way back up there. But again, it's when you 206 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: get to this point in the process, Buck and I say, Okay, 207 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: this is close to being finalized. These are the guys 208 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: that I'm stamping my approval on, and I want to 209 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: go with the guys that play extremely hard in our 210 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: competitive UM and Zach Bond can rush, he can cover 211 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: a little bit, you can do a lot of different things. 212 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: But more than anything else, Buck, he just plays so 213 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: dang hard. Those the guys that want to bet on 214 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: yeah man, Like, um, people don't understand this, but like, 215 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: hustle matters to me when I'm looking at the tape, 216 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: do you run to the ball? Do you finish? Do 217 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: you do the little stuff? Um that I consider to 218 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: be kind of championship caliber effort. When I look at 219 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: Zach Bond, his versatility and all this stuff I absolutely love. 220 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: But I love the way that he plays, the effort, 221 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: he experience, how he finishes all those other things. And 222 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: so um, if I'm buying into somebody, I want to 223 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: buy into someone that's gonna be what I call every guy, 224 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna play are from snap to whistle. 225 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: He's gonna make the plays that are dead to be made. 226 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: He's gonna line up in the right space his place, 227 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: He's gonna do the little things. And Zach Bond does 228 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: all of that. And I was even more impressed with 229 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: him after watching him at the Senior Bowl. New defense 230 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: out of his element comes in. It just kind of 231 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: makes play. He's just a steady eighty player. Yep, that's him. 232 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: It's a good way to describe him. And Uh, I 233 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: think you'll see him go probably twenty five to thirty five. 234 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: As my guess, Jeremy Chen, he goes up five spots 235 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: to forty three. We've talked plenty about him the the 236 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: UH safety slash linebacker. You know, some people view him 237 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: as a will I think he can play down there 238 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: in that role from Southern Illinois. He's up to number 239 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: forty three, but there's two new additions and I finally 240 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: did it, Buck. I feel like we've been talking about 241 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: this forever. But forty nine is Lloyd Cushionberry, who's a 242 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: good player, and I wanted to get him in there. 243 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: So he goes into forty nine and then finally number fifty. 244 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: I made the plunge. I slept like a baby last 245 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: night after turning this in, Buck, because I put Jalen 246 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: Hurts in at number fifty. Um. Yeah, he has been 247 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,239 Speaker 1: a guy that he's such a polarizing prospect, particularly on Twitter. Um. 248 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: The reaction that you get um when you do things 249 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: or you're flowery and your evaluation of him is funny. 250 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: But I think DJ we we've seen it. We've we've 251 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: been around the game a long time and we've seen 252 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: these players kind of find a way to uh last 253 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: and carve out nice careers. Uh. Jalen Hurts is productive. 254 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is smart, he's tough, he's competitive. He's performed 255 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: well on a big stage for two different teams. He's 256 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: a winner. He's led his team to the winner circle 257 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: two different teams. And so we can nitpick and and 258 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: talk about like, oh, I wish you would throw it 259 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: a little better, he could do this a little better. 260 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, like the the 261 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: total of of everything that he brings to the table 262 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: is one that I just think you're gonna have a 263 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: tough time convincing coaches and scouts that he's not gonna 264 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: make it. And we've talked about he's gonna go day two, 265 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: but not being surprised if at the bottom of the 266 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: fur maybe he hears his name call. I just think 267 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: he's a really, really solid player. And the fact that 268 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: he handled the to a situation with the way that 269 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: he handled it, I think it's just another feather in 270 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: his cat, and I find it funny. I mean, a 271 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: lot of people are like now this guy's going in 272 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: the fourth round. You're crazy And I I don't know, Man, 273 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: I think it only takes one team. And and I'll 274 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: read you the end of my uh my summary here. 275 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: Buck overall Hurts must continue to improve in the passing game, 276 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna bet on his eventual success due to 277 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: his playmaking skills and overall competitiveness. Kids wired the right way. Um, 278 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: he's won a lot of football games. He can make plays. 279 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: I was, uh tweet this out the other day when 280 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: I think I might even talked about it on the podcast, 281 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: which was, Man, you're gonna be under pressure in the NFL. 282 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: That's that. It's a pressure league. So how do you 283 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: play under pressure when you've got free rushers, when you've 284 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: got to be able to think quick and make things happen. Now, 285 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: you need to do one or two things. You need 286 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: to be able to identify it an attack or you 287 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: or you better be athletic enough to escape. And while 288 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: I think Jalen is still gonna take some time to 289 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: get comeall being able to identify an attack, and I 290 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: think right away, Buck, he's gonna be able to escape 291 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: and create. And when you look at some of these 292 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and draft class they can't do either. I can 293 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: hang my hat on the fact I know for a fact, Uh, 294 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: this kid can escape and create and make some plays. Yeah, 295 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: I think the escape the creating part is big. But DJ, 296 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: I want you to go back and just think about 297 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: what we saw from him at the Senior Bowl. We 298 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: saw him take a butt kicking in the Senior Bowl 299 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: where he was getting drilled and hit and hit over 300 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: and over again because they were having a tough time 301 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: blocking him up front, and he didn't flinch. And for 302 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: all of the traits that we can talk about the quarterback, 303 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: your quarterback has to be a tough guy. Um. He 304 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: has to be tough enough to be able to weather 305 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: the storm and not change. And I think for Jalen Hurts, 306 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: he doesn't change after he gets tapped around. And that toughness, 307 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: to me is a probably an underrated quality that we 308 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: demand from quarterbacks. But it's one of the things that 309 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: he has that leads him to believe that he's going 310 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: to be successful. All right, let's uh, let's let's put 311 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: a button on that there in the top fifty because 312 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: I want to get to this Belichick thing. At the 313 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: time we have left and just talk talk through some 314 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: of the stuff he talked about on defense. Again, this 315 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: is so buck, I'm gonna go through and read you 316 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: what he said on the defensive line um as well 317 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: as kind of the overall thing. So at the very top, 318 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: it says defense, Uh, defend the middle of the field. First, 319 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: not allow offense to runner pass inside. Pressure on the 320 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: QB up the middle, forced them to go outside. Make 321 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: sure you have a third down cover linebacker or six 322 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: d B to match up on the metcalfs of the world, etcetera. 323 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: That's the first the first thing right there at the 324 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: top of the list, And I thought, man in offense, 325 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: he talked about being able to attack in the middle 326 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: of the field, and on defense he talks about closing 327 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: the middle of the field. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's 328 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: so funny, like it's a common de nominator. Like when 329 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: I was a player in Jacksonville Dick Grun who great player, 330 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: UH played a you know, he talked about it's the 331 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: same for everybody in every sport. You gotta be strong 332 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: down the middle. So you think about baseball, picture catcher, middle, 333 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: infendle middle infielders in the center fielder, basketball, point guard, center, 334 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: used debated way that you win in football is right 335 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: down the pipe your defensive talent. Because you're mic linebacker, 336 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: you're safety. You gotta be able to have smart guys. 337 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: That enforces you have to push guys to the edges 338 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: and that's where you put your speed. It hasn't changed, DJ. 339 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: It never changes. Like the way that you win in 340 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: the National Football League has been the same and it's 341 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: been consistent from the sixties, seventies, eighties, and nineties two thousand's. 342 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: You have to be you have to control the middle 343 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: of the field and you have to be able to 344 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: dictate where the ball goes. On defense and on offense. 345 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: You got attack them right down the middle because it 346 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: makes life easy for the quarterback and everybody else. I'm 347 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: gonna read what he said about the D D line 348 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: d T s. It says dts are nts, and then 349 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: d n s and then I'm gonna give you his 350 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: all defensive line notes here. So uh D line, d 351 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: T or NT inside guys need explosive quickness and can 352 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: play well in a fairly confined space. Explode power, quickness, leverage. 353 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: If he's big and has explosive quickness, it's what you want. 354 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: Four eight. Speed is not the main ingredient, and size 355 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: can be to seventy five and up if he has 356 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: the other ingredients. Need a big strong guy that you 357 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: can bring in when you have to go across from 358 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: the mun checks and the moonios is. Let's think it 359 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: back to that era. UH, defensive ends, all around player, 360 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: big strong and can run. These are the hardest guys 361 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: to find. Would rather have the big strong guy than 362 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: the faster guy to stop the run first and can 363 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: substitute in for the pass rush. So that's kind of 364 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: what he said about the D line there, bucket, And 365 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the four things he says right 366 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: underneath that. Number one, you cannot get knocked off the line. 367 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: Number two size over speed at defensive end interesting. Number 368 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: three pressure up the middle for the QB can cause 369 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: more problems than guys running around the corner. And number 370 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: four frame and growth potential are very important. Wow is 371 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: that's that's a lot to unpack in that right and 372 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna unpack it um using two different examples. UM. 373 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: I was with the Carolina Pants. We went to Super 374 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: Bowl thirty eight and we lost to the Patriots on 375 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: our UM Panthers team UH at d tackle, we had 376 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: Brentson Buckner and Chris Jenkins, who was playing at an 377 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: all pro level during that time. Mike linebacker was Dan 378 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: Morgan and the safety was Mike minor Um. All were 379 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: blue players at that time. But because up front Chris 380 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: Jenkins could absolutely dominate at the point of attack, it 381 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: made life easy. And then when you talk about the ends. 382 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: At end, we had Julius Peppers and Mike Rucker. Julius 383 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: Peppers was um as he described him. He was big, 384 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: he was fast, he was physical, he was stout against 385 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: the run, but he also could get to the passer. 386 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: But Julius Peppers and Chris Jenkins were the two most 387 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: important pieces to that defense and that is why we dominated. 388 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: Chris jenkins ability to routinely put the guard in the 389 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: lap of the quarterback disrupted and destroyed the timing of 390 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: the passing game. And then with Julius Pepper is capable 391 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: of not only stacking the line of scrimmage on the 392 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: edge but also getting to the quarterback, it just made 393 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: the defense nearly impossible to deal with. And we play 394 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: with two undrafted free agent corners UH Terry Cousins and 395 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: Reggie Howard and went to the Super Bowl. So everything 396 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: that he talks about up front, those guys been disruptive. 397 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: They absolutely set the foundation of the defense. And if 398 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: you're good up front, you have a chance. Yeah. I 399 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: thought it was fascinating too, about just the size on 400 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: the edge versus speed. You think about power rushers versus 401 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: speed rushers. He actually the power guy because he could 402 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: set the edge as well. Um, we get two linebackers 403 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: and we can go through this one quick because I 404 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: want to get to these dbs. Buck But outside linebackers 405 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: big rangy guy who can run. If you can get them, 406 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: they're usually the first round picks, but settle for guys 407 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: who can stay on the line, long arms, quick hands. 408 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: The six two outside linebackers are hard to like, even 409 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: if they can run up field. They're small with no range. 410 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: Outside linebackers needs size, speed, and athletic ability. Inside line 411 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: backers has to be able to play in close quarters. Instinctive, 412 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: explosive tacklers who can face up and knock guys back, 413 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: can play his own defense and not be putting a 414 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: man to man situation. So that's a little bit of 415 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: a difference there. Nowadays, good blitzers must be football smart. Uh, 416 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: don't need great intelligence, need instincts, quickness and aggressiveness and 417 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: leverage and explosive power. So those are linebackers. Uh, well, 418 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: we have an example every day when we walk in 419 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: NFL network. There outside linebacker because William McGinnis as long 420 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: as you can find. And then when you look at 421 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel standing on the sideline, the length stands out, 422 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: so they're outside linebackers are like that. And then when 423 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: you go to the linebackers and you think about the 424 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: success that he with titty bruski um power pack, great instincts, 425 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: Um plays faster than maybe he tests because instinctively he 426 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: is able to play one step ahead of the offense. 427 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: And then I think the common denominator in everything that 428 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: you read that you're reading physicality, toughness, knocking people back. Um, 429 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: there's a style of play that kind of comes out 430 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: in listening to you read kind of that report. You 431 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: know that you can visualize how he wants his defense 432 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: to play, and I think the personnel evaluations match the 433 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: philosophy that he's also put out there. I want to 434 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: read buck great points. I want to read the safeties 435 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: in the corners and then some overall things, because I 436 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: want you to touch on the overall things here with 437 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: the time we have left. UH. Safeties tacklers, especially at 438 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: the safety spot, and you want to be at least 439 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: two hundred pounds UH speed four five to four six 440 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: range need range of the two deep safeties. UM, you 441 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: don't you Uh you do not need mental giants. That's 442 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: what he said here. So it's got to be more instinctive. 443 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: But you need size speed. Guy have to be able 444 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: to cover man to man. Um The two pound four 445 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: seven five tough guy cannot play for US. Guy has 446 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: to be able to play the past. The traditional strong 447 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: safety guy versus run is not what we need. Former 448 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: corners moved inside to safety might be ideal if they 449 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: have size. Ball skills and judgment are essential more so 450 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: than pure speed and athleticism corner tackle and force guys. 451 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: You need one pure cover corner UH five ten ranging up. 452 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: Cannot put guys on the field who cannot tackle. Size 453 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: becomes a factor. Small cover corner guys a liability. UH 454 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: intelligence on defense is not a great factor. So those 455 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: were there's a lot to unpack their with that buck. 456 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: But I want to get to this last point here 457 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: because he says dbs have to work well together like 458 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: an offensive line, need a sense of teamwork and unselfishness. 459 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: And I was talking to a coach the other day 460 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: about this list, and he brought up a great point, 461 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: he said, I he said, I so agree with that. 462 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: The cohesiveness of the entire secondary, the trust understanding what 463 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: some guy might be a little bit uh week in 464 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: one area, so on a particular coverage, you can kind 465 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: of cover him up in that area, you know, knowing 466 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: each other so well, all that community sation. And he said, 467 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: think about we have so many coaches now that most 468 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: teams have a safety's room and a corner's room. These 469 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: guys don't even meet all together as one group. And 470 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: he said he thought that was that was a big 471 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: mistake when you look at how if you compare it 472 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: to an offensive line that's not doing it the right way. Yeah, DJ, 473 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of impact. So, UM, A couple 474 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: of things that stood out to me about what he said, Uh, 475 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: there's a reason why we were excited a little bit 476 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: about the dB class at Corner because there were so 477 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: many six ft two pound guys. Those are kind of 478 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: the guys that coaches prefer because they're long, they can 479 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: match up with the big body receivers, and if they're 480 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: tough enough to tackle, those guys can stay on the field. 481 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,239 Speaker 1: When he talks about safeties, um long ago, I had 482 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: a coach tell me that the ideal secondary would feature 483 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: one safety and three corners, and that third corner is 484 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 1: basically your strong safety, so he can come down and 485 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: play the tight end. But also it's tough enough to 486 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: be a factor in the run game because you hear 487 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: the the steady uh commentary on tackling, and then the 488 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: cohesiveness of the secondary part of the reason why the 489 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: Legion of Boom was so successful. Those guys played together 490 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: for a while, Cam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner, 491 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: and even Byron Maxwell. They were together three, four or 492 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: five years. And what happens is you begin to have 493 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: a level of trust that enables you to cover up 494 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: for each other. If I'm Richard Sherman and I see 495 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: something I can tell Earl Thomas, I'm gonna make a play, 496 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: cover me up in case I get beat. That's why 497 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: it matters. Yeah, I think that's a great point. I 498 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: think it's a huge deal. Um. The last thing that 499 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: I'll get to is we kind of wrapped this this 500 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: show up buck Um. Here's his five problems. Five potential 501 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: problems with the defense. Number one on the list is 502 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: tackling poor tackling. Number two selfishness. Think about that. Number 503 00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: three you need size, big, physical, strong guys. Number four 504 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: you need competitiveness. Uh, guys that play hard for sixty minutes. 505 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: And I love this note right here what does a 506 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: guy do on the P A T. And number five 507 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: is needs symmetry and defense. So it all kind of 508 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: works together. But I want to go back to number 509 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: four because I was talking to somebody yesterday and he's 510 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: actually gonna do this assignment for He's gonna have somebody 511 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: in their personnel department put this together. What if you 512 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: went through and you which you can do through the 513 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: video right now, for every defensive player in the draft. 514 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: It would take a while, right, but you have you 515 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: got a bunch of interns. You could divvy it up 516 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: and signed up and say okay, um and and maybe 517 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: it's more for next year when you have more time. 518 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: But to go into a combine meeting and say, okay, 519 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: you're a corner. We watched you were on the field 520 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: for sixty p t s this year, and we gave 521 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: you an f for your effort, or or we watched 522 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: you on sixty s. Now, the chances you're gonna block 523 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: the kicker probably less than one percent. But man, you 524 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: know you played that play like you're like the world 525 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: depended on it. You know you were an a player 526 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: on that that. I think there's some thing you can 527 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: glean from that. As crazy as that sounds, I do 528 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: think that does speak to a little bit of your 529 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: overall professionalism and competitiveness. Yeah, DJ it speaks to that, 530 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: but it also speaks to this. So if you go 531 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: back and you look at Belichick and Bill Parcels, they 532 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: use starters on special teams, and so their punt team 533 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: comprised of mostly their starting defense. And so what you want, 534 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: you want guys who took pridident in college so you 535 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: don't have to re teach them in the pros. And 536 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: when it comes to the effort on p e t s, 537 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: it's your ability to bounce back. Say you're the corner 538 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: that gave up a fifty yard bomb. Are you still 539 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: stuck in that last play or are you able to 540 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: flush it and move on to the next play, because 541 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: next play maybe a me come off the edge. I 542 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: blocked the P A T. And that's maybe the difference 543 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: in the game. So as much as we talk about 544 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: the performance, it kind of shares light on your mental 545 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: your mentality. Are you tough enough to endure when you 546 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: give up a play? And can you bounce back? And 547 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: then also the professionalism that you speak to Do you 548 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: play hard? Do you play hard each and every play? 549 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: Because the one thing that coaches don't want to have 550 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: to do. I don't want to have to coach effort. 551 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: I want to spend the bulk of my time dealing 552 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: with technique, the effort you have to bring on your own. 553 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: Do you take pride in your effort? So, yeah, there's 554 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: a lot to unpack in that statement. You know, Well, 555 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: it's uh again. I think it goes to the details 556 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: of of Bill Belichick and why he's been as successful 557 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: as he's been because every single detailed matters and he's 558 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: proven that throughout his Hall of Fame coaching career. All right, Buck, 559 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us on this episode here, 560 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: I do want to everybody know we have the justin 561 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: Herbert three sixties episode that's gonna launch here. You're gonna 562 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: see that in video form. Um, that's coming Thursday, two 563 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: pm Eastern time. You can watch the Move the Sticks 564 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: video show on NFL dot com. And then also we'll 565 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: have that audio released as well, UM, so be on 566 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: the lookout for that. It's uh, it's it's really really 567 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: one of our our standard pieces of content here that 568 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: that we do each and every year, the three sixty series. 569 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: So I do think you will enjoy both the video 570 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: show as well as the Herbert three sixty audio show. 571 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: So uh, that's gonna do it for us today. I 572 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: want to thank you guys so much for listening. Stay 573 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: safe out there, and we'll see you next time right 574 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: here on Move the Sticks.