1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stephone 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: never told your production to iHeart Radio, and welcome we 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: are back, y'all, were finally back to do another episode 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: of live watching, live, streaming, recording. What is it? What 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: is this reacting? I guess viewing one of those things. 6 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: I mean currently this is as being live because we're 7 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: here anyway while you're listening, we're back to viewing and 8 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: watching Sex and the City again. Annie coming into seeing 9 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: these episodes for the first time. That's part of the 10 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: delight of this because I did love and I do 11 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: love Sex in the City. It meant a lot to 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: me in my early twenties mid twenties. Of course it 13 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: was already out but watching it for myself and trying 14 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: to be one of those city girls, and I was not. 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: I was not. Just Sten. We've put that out there, 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: but welcome back, and we are doing it as a 17 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: part of our happy hour as we do so before 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: we start, Yes, we are not currently sponsored by whatever 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about as our beverages. That might change because 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: things change and as change, and it's according to when 21 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: you listen to this, as we know, and if you 22 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: are drinking or whatever you're partaking in, do it responsibly. 23 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Be responsible? Um Anny, what 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: you sipping on? Well, I'm drinking my red wine number 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: box and uh we did record this this episode the 26 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: day after our last happy hour that's already out where 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: you were like, I'm sending you that link to the 28 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: red red Wine song and I did listen to it, 29 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: and I feel complete in some ways, So thank you 30 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: for that. You will. But yeah, I'm had time to 31 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: go helped and get anything else. I really pressed how 32 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: long this box wine has lasted? Well, there might have 33 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: been two bucks to Wineckery Rickery. I'm gonna be honest. 34 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start the new year honest. Okay, Okay, I 35 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: like it. Yes, Well, I am sipping on an actual 36 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: kind of like a lesser of I guess recipe for 37 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: kind of like a Cosmo, but not really a Cosmo. 38 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: We actually ended up getting ginger well with cranberry um, 39 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: the fancy kind, and I'm like, oh, I want to 40 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: drink that, and so I added some gin. My partner 41 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: who's like, I want to add this, added some bidders 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: to it. So I feel like it's an homage, but 43 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: it's definitely um, the lesser version of a Cosmo. Yeah, 44 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, kind there, but it's very tasty. Just so 45 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, I'm delighted by it. So that is what 46 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: I am sitting on. But yes, we are back to 47 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: viewing Sex in the City, and y'all we are still 48 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: doing the audience participation. We've been seizing it. I swear 49 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: we're not trying to lead you on or guest like you. 50 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: As we have said at the end of this year 51 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this year is always chaotic, uh, 52 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: and I'm sure it is for y'all as well. So 53 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: we've kind of rearranged some things. So for the finality, 54 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: we would do want to have a listener participation and 55 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: we've got your names if you already added it. If 56 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: you haven't and you're interested, you don't even have to 57 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: know anything about Sex in the City. Just join us. 58 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: We just have a good time. We write any we do. 59 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: And honestly, everybody who's entered, I'm like, maybe we should 60 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: just have them all on eventually. Maybe maybe we should 61 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: just one and one and one. People are like, I'm down, 62 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: let's do this. I'm down. Several people are I love 63 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: this episode. I love it so all of you all 64 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: die hard. I'm thank you for sticking with us. And 65 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: we're further behind than I thought. Annie. I thought we 66 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: were really close to the finale and we are not. Yeah, 67 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: we are. We are quite a bit of ways. Um. 68 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: A lot of times we do these in person and 69 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: bulk this one we're kind of we're doing differently, and 70 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: we're doing via the magic of the internet. So if 71 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: it's got to be interesting, Lag, that's why, you know. Um, 72 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: But I think because of that, when we do them, 73 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: it feels like we've done like seventeen even though we 74 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: only did three. Yeah, so yeah, we're a bit further 75 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: back than we thought we were. Several times there are 76 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: ninety four episodes to go, and well not to go 77 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: in total, and some yes yes, and apparently the second 78 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: season is coming around and just like that, so oh 79 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: my god, but yes, I digress. Let's get into it 80 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: as we do, Annie, can you it's been so long. 81 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Can you do a summary of the past episodes of 82 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: season two? I will give it a shot shot. Okay, 83 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: So a lot of the themes in this season have 84 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: been Gary and Biggs broke up at the end of 85 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: season one, and so a lot of it has been 86 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: her navigating newly being single but still kind of having 87 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: feelings for this person and running into him and trying 88 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: to deal with what that is. I know, we have 89 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: the funeral episode recently, I think that was the last one, 90 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: and there was discussion around like kind of the social 91 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: scene and and funeral fashion and Charlotte being falling for 92 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: this guy and then realizing he kind of uses his 93 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: widow to get women, or that's what it's seemed like 94 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: the implication. Yeah, so I feel like there's been a 95 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: lot of Samantha getting kind of blocked out of the 96 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: social scene, and then I guess who it was leading 97 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: Ardo to Capiro was supposed to be there but it wasn't. 98 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: And then this is the season where Miranda kept getting 99 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: questioned about like, oh, you're by yourself. Oh you're trying 100 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: to get a place by yourself. What's going on here? 101 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: Just you know, continuing with the questions that a lot 102 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: of us can relate to in one way or the 103 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: other of relationships and what they mean or what does 104 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: it mean if you don't have relationship and how do 105 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: people view you? Yeah, yeah, very good. I like it 106 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: very good. All right, now I'm going to give you 107 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: the title and to try to make a guess on 108 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: what you think this episode is about, as we do, 109 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: and then I will rate you with nonsensical ratings at 110 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: the end. Maybe a great maybe number, maybe stars. I 111 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: don't know. So the title of this episode is the 112 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: Cheating Curve. Okay, well, I feel like every time I 113 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: do this, I don't really have any specifics, but I 114 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: would say, um that it's like kind of talking about 115 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: the versions of cheating, like which is worse, Like cheating 116 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: after you've been dating, like only for a long time 117 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: and maybe the other person doesn't view that is cheating 118 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: the situation, cheating when you've been in a long term relationship, 119 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: which is I guess gradations of which is worse in 120 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: cheating and what what some people define is cheating on 121 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: what some others might not define as cheating. M M. 122 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: And they go to a club, because I say that 123 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: every time they go to the club, Okay, I feel 124 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: like I've like salvaged getting nothing right when they go 125 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: to a clus that one they go to a club 126 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: and they go out and drink. Yeah, that's a nice prediction. 127 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's begin any how about close you got 128 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: Let's do it or didn't get With Samantha, Miranda and 129 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: Charlotte all suitably occupied, I figured there was no better 130 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: time to make my escape. Carrie's being shady and runs away. 131 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: Did she lie? But I didn't dare tell any of 132 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: my friends where I was going, Oh, don't do plenty 133 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: to me. Oh yeah, she's being sexy and in the picture, 134 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: oh don't do it. You know they had that ending 135 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: the ball that damn Bolden. The bowling is what gets you. 136 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: It gets you every time. Watch out, excuse me, Rowles. 137 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: We're just kissing. So Charlotte's that's the gas lighting right there. 138 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: We're like, we're just kissing. I'll see you in there 139 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: as it's not a big deal. Yeah, she walked in 140 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: on him with another woman kissing, and he said, yeah, 141 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm just kissing whatever, just kissing. Uh so I was 142 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: kind of right kissing cheating. Correct, Men's cheat for the 143 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: same reason the dogs licked their balls, because they can't. 144 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: Men cheat for the same reason as dogs licked their balls. 145 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: Such a line, and it's such a line, Well that 146 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: sounds very empowering that you're forgetting one important detail. God, 147 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: I hope so women cheat. Yeah, it is completely different 148 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: because we don't go women cheat, it's completely different. I 149 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: don't think that's completely different. But also, is there an 150 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: implication when women cheat versus when men cheat, Like, is 151 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: there two different standards of acceptance slash non acceptance slash. 152 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: One's ah and the other one is the one woman? 153 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: What did the wife do or whomember the cheating? Yeah, 154 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: we've talked about that before, asked for the men or 155 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: men they're the victims, right are It's in their nature 156 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: just like this conversation. Yeah, I can't help it. The 157 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: fact is, the act of cheating is defined by the 158 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: act of getting caught. One doesn't exist without the other. 159 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: It's defined by the act of getting caught. Samantha says, 160 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: it's not me characters, it's the same question. If you 161 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: hear a treat fall in the woods, the same thing, 162 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: that's the same question, right. Yeah, that's an interesting mind 163 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: set because that implies like, if you're happy and they're cheating, 164 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: then it doesn't matter, right, But I feel like there's 165 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: still the like there's still lying involved in that, a 166 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: lot of lying, and there was mistrust and there is 167 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: a break of commitment and all of that. Yeah, it's 168 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,119 Speaker 1: like that's the difference between like a consensual polyamorous relationship 169 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: versus Right, so how do you feel? Oh, you got 170 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: me all wet? I mean sweaty. I'm mean sweaty. That's 171 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: such an odd caricature, Like it's a cliche hooking up 172 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: at the gym with your trainer, right, Yeah, Yeah, it's 173 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: one of those professions where it is it can be 174 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: awkward and kind of like somebody's touching your body. Because 175 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: in that case as a personal trainer, I don't know, 176 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: it's just odd. Does that really need to be on? 177 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: Just really? Turns are not enough? Would you be okay 178 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: with your partner needing to have porn on during your 179 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: intimate moment? Not all the time? I think we could 180 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: discuss it, uh, but you would need like the fact 181 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: that he sprung it on her. I would not be 182 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: cool with that, especially depending on what it is, because 183 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: a lot of them is not great for women, right, 184 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: and like what it entails, like I would be open 185 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: to it every now and then, Right, I think that's 186 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: the answer. Was like it could be an interesting way 187 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: of shaking things up and doing things and yeah, is inappropriate. 188 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: Of course we've talked about it with bridget even and 189 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: we've talked about it about the layer of whether or 190 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: not this porn is actually consensual, is it safe, the 191 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: level of all of that and what's being allowed and 192 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: was for the what may be revenge porn? Like like, 193 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: there's so much to that that we don't know. It 194 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: does feel really sticky. Yeah, oh sorry, sorry, sorry accidental. 195 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: I felt horrible. I had never lied to Miranda before, 196 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: but I was embarrassed to admit that I was seeing 197 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: big again. Do you feel about friends lying to you? 198 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: Not great? I have an example where I was like, 199 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: I know you're lying to me. I'm not gonna confront 200 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: you about it was about a guy, but I'm gonna 201 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: give you some time to like come to terms and 202 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: after a certain time has passed, and there was nothing 203 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: really wrong with that relationship as far as I know, 204 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: I just didn't tell me about it. Interesting. Yeah, so 205 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, I try to be forgiving in like early stages, 206 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: but it gets like a long time and right, yep, 207 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: and there better be a conversation about it later. Friendships, Okay, 208 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: Sam is hooking up with the gym guy who actually 209 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: said he's never hooked up with anybody before. Just remember 210 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: that and then to Samantha surprise and delight. So I 211 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: kept right on shaving. And apparently he likes to shave 212 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: women's legs. I've never met anyone that wanted to do that. Also, 213 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: that would worry me too, Vies, that's not where it goes. 214 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: But yes, sure, I Look, we've got this physical, chemical 215 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: kind of connection that's hard to shake. So lay off. Okay, 216 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: So now it's going to be a casual sex thing. Baby, 217 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: Well that's gonna work. Even I am not that naive, 218 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: not I'm really not the most sy movie anymore. She 219 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: doesn't like being confronted Harry Harry kind of So who 220 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: is the villain in the scenario? Is it the friends 221 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: or is it Carrie. There's a lot of those questions 222 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: up in the air, like was it always carry being 223 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: the villain? You know? I think that then I get 224 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: it on both sides a little. I think that it's 225 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: fair that they're like he was a jerk to you, 226 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: why are you with him? And her kind of being like, oh, 227 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: it's chemical, and then filling the fences of them walking away, right, 228 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: But I can get her being carried knowing that that's 229 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: the response, right. I mean, we like we came to 230 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: an agreement with several of the friends that were close 231 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: to if you have a concern about the person's partner, 232 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: you have one opportunity to let them know, and then 233 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: you gotta you accept and support. Like that was kind 234 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: of like, just make sure they know, but if you 235 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: push it, you're gonna push them away and put them 236 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: in the situation. So you get the chance, but taking 237 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: the chance and moving on. It's an odd thing, but 238 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, at least we know the type of thing. 239 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: Like I said, I actually recently had a conversation like this. 240 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't really involved, but some of my other friends were, 241 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: and I watched it at play out and the friend 242 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I know it's not great that he 243 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: does this and this and this, but I like him. 244 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: And then we were all kind of like, but you 245 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: just said it's not great. Yeah, yeah, you just told us. Why, Well, 246 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: there it is. You get two and a half stars 247 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: before yeah yeah, yeah yeah, because he definitely you definitely 248 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: got some some of that in I know that we didn't. 249 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: You didn't, in fact, her in the friendship cheating, And 250 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: that's a good conversation to off because is it cheating 251 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: to sneak around and not tell your friends about the relationship, 252 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: especially when it was an ex that no one likes, 253 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: right right. The cheating with the porn is that cheating 254 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: because there have been conversations of women saying that they 255 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: felt like that was cheating someone who watches porn a lot. Yeah, 256 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing the d TR like, um 257 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: having that communication and sometimes, honestly, you figure those things 258 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: out through arguments, are through those things because you don't 259 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: think to talk about them. But it is true that, um, 260 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: it's important to have those conversation if you think this 261 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: is going to be a serious thing, or if it's 262 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: something important to you. Hey, I realized that this, I'm 263 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: not comfortable with this or whatever it is. Those conversations 264 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: are really key. Yeah, we heart communications here. But then 265 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: there's the other part with Charlotte hanging with the power lesbians, 266 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: and that coming back to the conversation is what are 267 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: the boundaries that assists straight woman should have or should 268 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: be required to have when it comes to lesbian relationships 269 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: and friendships. Yeah, I mean, like you said, I think 270 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: we should come back and talk about that. It's so 271 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: funny to me every time we watch one of these 272 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Wow. I could talk about this forever, 273 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: because I know I have said in previous episodes kind 274 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: of what Charlotte said, I hope in a much less 275 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: offensive way. But like, I feel safer with women, but 276 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: I have dated women, but that is a part of it. 277 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, all of this, like male gaze or 278 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: male expectations, all that stuff is removed. Um. And that's 279 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: not to say that lesbian, queer whatever relationships are perfect 280 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: by any means, but I've expressed that too, But it's 281 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: not like it's not like I was like a straight 282 00:18:54,680 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: woman going in like I just get handlmen anymore, which 283 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: is kind of what she did, Yeah, which I know 284 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: is kind of a joke and I understand it, but 285 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: like actually doing it, it's a conversation we need to have, 286 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: and I know that's sort of I feel like there's 287 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: a similar dynamic with the you know, gay best friend 288 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: male Russian trope. With women, it's like you feel like, oh, 289 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: there's no sexual tension, but I still have like this 290 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: sort of male presence. And I also would say, and 291 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: this might be just anecdotal, but I feel like when 292 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: straight women, I don't know, I don't want to I 293 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: feel like people feel more comfortable to touch like gay 294 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: men are gay women in those spaces than it's like acceptable, 295 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: like even if it's just like kind of a hand 296 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: on the shoulder or whatever, you know, right, consent always 297 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: just right. So yeah, yeah. And then again part of 298 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: the episode that we want to talk about and revisit 299 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: as straight says people in gay safe spaces, which is 300 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: not to say that it's not okay for them and 301 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: it's not welcoming. It typically is, but like having like 302 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: that conversation of uh, when a bachelorette party goes to 303 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: a gage ship club, Um, what is it? And then 304 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: the party being too wild and think they have the 305 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: privilege to touch up on people and get up on 306 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: stage on people, um, and then pretty much goes to 307 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: the same if women visit uh women's shop clubs, and 308 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: they do that too because they're like, no, no, I'm 309 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: like gay, It's fine type of conversation uh. And then 310 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: overtaking that space and then taking away from safe spaces 311 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: and then the queer bars where the queer people going 312 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: to meet other queer people and then being slapped in 313 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: the face with them saying oh I'm straight, um, and 314 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: feeling like you're in unsafe places where you're traumatized by 315 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: being rejected as not a part of that society type 316 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: of thing. So there's a lot of conversations and that 317 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: of course this was all jokey and fun and the 318 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: like the power of lesbians were the one power and 319 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: like had you know, had their own crew, which is amazing. 320 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, it does bringing to the bigger scope of 321 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: the let's talk about this. Let's talk about why this 322 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: becomes problematic and this becomes an issue, and how we 323 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: should be aware of that and that, um when just 324 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: because we want to do something, and especially if you're 325 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: doing it as like I want to go to see 326 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: something novel, right, it is really offensive. Yeah. Yeah, I 327 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: think there's a lot too to revisit there, because I mean, 328 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: it's if you are aware of those things and you're 329 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: very cognizant, that's great, but it is I mean, even 330 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: if it's like just the you know, you thought, hey, 331 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: everybody here is queer, and I don't have to worry 332 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: that like I'll be they'll be like, oh no, I'm straight, 333 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: because it's hard to find other queer people sometimes all 334 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: the time. So you know, I definitely that's something we 335 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: should return to, and I think also there's been kind 336 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: of a people using like saying like, oh, I'm kind 337 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: of queer because I had this one experienced one. Right, 338 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm not judging anybody experiences change, but 339 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: some people use that in a way that I'm like, 340 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: you should not, right. There's definitely moments of like, are 341 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: you doing this because you want to be seen as 342 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: this and you want along in this, but you actually 343 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: don't because like and not to judge because I don't 344 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: know the individual. And I will respect anyone who says that, 345 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: who comes out and says whatever, and I'm like, okay, 346 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: cool for myself, even though I have conversations like this 347 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: person is super attractive, this woman is super like whatever, 348 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, holy like all these things, and 349 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: I do I generally compliment women more than I do men. Again, 350 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: kind of that safety. Maybe I don't know um and 351 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: genuinely appreciate all of that aesthetic, but I still would 352 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: identify a straight because like, when it comes to relationships, 353 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: not because I've not had one, it's just not something 354 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: that comes to my mind to to have one, as 355 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: if like that's what I'm interested in. Who knows that 356 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: might change when I'm mean a type of person, a 357 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: specific person that I'm attracted to. But like at this point, 358 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, I think it's a little showy, like a 359 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: little um performative slash like attention sinking essentially because like 360 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: you want to add one more thing to yourself and 361 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: and for those who are truly a part of that community, 362 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: is a slap in the face because they've had to 363 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: fight to get to that point, you know what I mean, 364 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: Like that's um and to be to come out even um, 365 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: whether it is being bisexual, whether it is being a sexual, 366 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: like all of these things are a thing that they 367 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: had to fight their own battles for their their demons 368 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: of uh accepting themselves and not talking about the even 369 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: like outside world of it. That it feels like it 370 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: would be a slap in the face to say, well, 371 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: I think this woman when WO wants to attract us, 372 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say I'm whatever. Um, that seems really 373 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: offensive to right, And this is a very nuanced conversation 374 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: because you never want to be like, well you are 375 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: not queer, and that there are issues of that within 376 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: the queer community, right of like, oh I don't feel 377 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: comfortable saying I'm queer because I'm afraid that I will 378 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: be judged within the community. But specifically kind of what 379 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: Charlotte was doing is what we're talking about, like oh, 380 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 1: well I'm not, but I feel like I am because 381 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: I like you all as friends or like that kind 382 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: of thing. Or we've even seen politicians recently like be like, 383 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm queer and that people are like are you, 384 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: But he's like that they just want the like attention 385 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: for it, And that's again we I would never want 386 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: to denigrate someone else's experience because I think there's plenty. 387 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: I know there's plenty of people who are queer and 388 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: never been in a relationship one way or the other. 389 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: Who knows, but no, as they identify, and I absolutely 390 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: applaud that. And I have nothing to say to you know, 391 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: take away from that. But for you know, any of 392 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: the Sanders. We know there are bad players in all 393 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: of these conversations, unfortunately, and that's what we have to 394 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: be aware of. Yeah, I mean it's a huge conversation. Um, 395 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: so we'll have to come back to that one. We 396 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: got a real serious but Annie, good job, two and 397 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: a half stars. I can't wait to continue on with 398 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: these series. 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