Speaker 1: The guys from Ping, They've kind of showed me how
Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can
Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bacon.
Speaker 1: That is Marty Jerts and Marty You're in the Ping
Speaker 1: Putting Lab, which is good for today because, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think it's time to talk about the thing people
Speaker 1: don't like to practice, the thing people don't like to
Speaker 1: talk about and focus on, but the most important part
Speaker 1: of golf, and that is in fact, rolling the rock
Speaker 1: on the greens. Putting is instrumental in good or bad
Speaker 1: rounds for every single golfer, no matter their handicap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Shane. I mean it's like putting's one of
Speaker 2: those things where I mean the everyday golfer might not
Speaker 2: be able to hit a t shot like Cameron Champ,
Speaker 2: you know, but for one hole in one round, you
Speaker 2: can output the PGA Tour player, you know. And it's
Speaker 2: the most variable skill. I think that's what makes putting
Speaker 2: very tough. Like some days you could be. I mean
Speaker 2: even on the PGA Tour. I mean, I mean look
Speaker 2: at Scottie Scheffler lately, right, I mean, or these guys
Speaker 2: out there that are having like high variants in putting.
Speaker 2: Ball striking can stay consistent. Your putting can be very,
Speaker 2: very variable, And I think that's what weighs on the
Speaker 2: psychology of the golfer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's again, you can do so many things.
Speaker 1: You get on the green and it's like your mindset changes.
Speaker 1: It's a different skill set. I mean the golf swing
Speaker 1: and power and finesse and cut the ball or hook
Speaker 1: the ball, and then you get on the greens and
Speaker 1: it's just about get it in and you can put crosshanded,
Speaker 1: you can cut, you can putt with a long putter,
Speaker 1: you can arm lock. You can do so many different
Speaker 1: variations of rolling the rock. It's just which one gets
Speaker 1: the ball in the hole the fastest. What's your relationship
Speaker 1: been like over the years with putting. Do you consider
Speaker 1: yourself a good putter, a mediocre putter, a bad putter
Speaker 1: at times? Like have you messed with a lot of
Speaker 1: different iterations of putting? What's been your relationship with this
Speaker 1: part of the game.
Speaker 2: Man Shane, I feel like I'm at a therapist or something.
Speaker 2: I asked you that question, but I bet every golfer
Speaker 2: would have that reaction. You know, you start asking me
Speaker 2: that question. I mean again, like, oh man, I remember
Speaker 2: my highs and my lows. I think I'm a streaky
Speaker 2: I mean sadly, I would say I'm like a very
Speaker 2: streaky putter. I think when I'm putting, when I'm putting good.
Speaker 2: I remember around last year my home course over a wildfire.
Speaker 2: I shot sixty two and I made everything, and putting
Speaker 2: is so easy. I had the line, the speed, the reads,
Speaker 2: everything like perfect. I was like, well this, I've got
Speaker 2: putting salt, and then like two weeks later, I'm putting terrible.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think over the years, I've really tried
Speaker 2: to improve and study and bring in I think today
Speaker 2: we can have a little conversation with that marriage of like,
Speaker 2: you know, the art of putting and the science of putting.
Speaker 2: I mean, I bet I tried to improve the things
Speaker 2: you can try to be better at day to day,
Speaker 2: and the big one is like green reading and targeting strategy.
Speaker 2: So I kind of think of these buckets and putting
Speaker 2: like green reading, targeting, strategy. Then there's your your start
Speaker 2: line and your speed, and that's where we can really
Speaker 2: influence that with putter fitting and which putter you're playing.
Speaker 2: So I've tried to get better at the green reading
Speaker 2: side so that I know this other stuff is going
Speaker 2: to vary day to day.
Speaker 1: When you're talking to an average player that comes into
Speaker 1: the putting lab and has questions about their putting, or
Speaker 1: they're looking for a new putter, or they're wanting to
Speaker 1: get fit into a putter. Are there questions that you
Speaker 1: guys like to ask off the bat just to get
Speaker 1: a feel for what they think about their putting, because
Speaker 1: we give away a lot of secrets about our golf
Speaker 1: games by simply getting questions asked, like you said about
Speaker 1: laying on the couch or I feel like I'm in
Speaker 1: a therapy session. You know, I'm one of those people
Speaker 1: like I've always considered myself a streaky putter as well,
Speaker 1: just like what you're saying, Marty. And then you'll talk
Speaker 1: to your buddies and they go, oh, man, you're a
Speaker 1: great putter, and you go, yes, Well, if this guy
Speaker 1: thinks I'm a good putter, why do I think I'm
Speaker 1: a streaky putter right, Like, there's questions that we can
Speaker 1: ask or conversations that we can have that can explain
Speaker 1: what type of putter certain people are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Shane. I mean, one thing we see in
Speaker 2: the statistics is that, you know, know, my bad putting round.
Speaker 2: I mean why I played the Phoenix Open. The first
Speaker 2: round I literally was the worst I've ever putt it,
Speaker 2: and I was minus four strokes gained.
Speaker 1: And I'm seeing.
Speaker 2: Scotti, Shuffler and some of these other guys on the
Speaker 2: tour be minus four strokes game once a while. I'm like,
Speaker 2: hey man, that must feel really bad to them. So
Speaker 2: my minus four strokes gained though, is still would be
Speaker 2: putting like a single like a good single digital handicapper, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So there's there's that relativity that happens with skill, and
Speaker 2: that not only applies to t shots, but that applies
Speaker 2: to putting as well. Someone comes into the lab, we
Speaker 2: start wanting to help them improve their putting, and that's
Speaker 2: our ultimate goal and we can really do that through
Speaker 2: putter fitting is ask some of those questions that like,
Speaker 2: you know, what are their strengths and weaknesses? Are they better?
Speaker 2: Are they you know, good at lag? Putting or not.
Speaker 2: Do they struggle with short puts or not? Do they
Speaker 2: tend to miss more left or more right or not?
Speaker 2: And not everybody knows the right answers to those questions,
Speaker 2: but you can at least get to kind of again,
Speaker 2: you'll give you some clue, Shane. And that's what fitting
Speaker 2: is all about. You're you're kind of building this mountain
Speaker 2: of evidence to get to the final solution that can
Speaker 2: give you some clues into what might be going on
Speaker 2: with that player or to their inner psychology that you
Speaker 2: can really help them with. And then we start layering
Speaker 2: on some of the science measurements. So the other good
Speaker 2: news is that some people, a lot of people are
Speaker 2: tracking their putting stats. Again, we've kind of talked about
Speaker 2: that in a few of our previous pods. Is like,
Speaker 2: where can you kind of marry in the right way.
Speaker 2: You don't want to go all stats, you know on everything.
Speaker 2: You want to have that interview with the player, ask
Speaker 2: them those questions. But if you can also look at
Speaker 2: their stats and corroborate or compare contrasted too, you can
Speaker 2: start to get a more click clear picture of where
Speaker 2: we might be going and where we can really help
Speaker 2: them Marty.
Speaker 1: The the kind of the iterations of fittings. It really
Speaker 1: fascinates me because I mean, I wasn't, you know, playing
Speaker 1: competitive golf, or wasn't old enough when it was, you know,
Speaker 1: per Simmon Wooden Head. But I was, you know, in
Speaker 1: high school and to college when they weren't interchangeable shafts,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you guys would have fifty drivers
Speaker 1: on the range, and if you went an X shaft
Speaker 1: like this, that had to be glued into that head.
Speaker 1: And if you wanted a stiff shaft light with this,
Speaker 1: it had to be glued in the head. I mean,
Speaker 1: you couldn't just flip them in and flip them out.
Speaker 1: And obviously all of that stuff has changed now it's
Speaker 1: gone into irons and now you guys have more scientific
Speaker 1: and AI technology to help you guys in terms of fittings.
Speaker 1: We've talked about gapping on this podcast already. When did
Speaker 1: putting When did the science of fitting players with putters
Speaker 1: kind of become a thing for paying Because I am
Speaker 1: imagining years ago it was we have these four models,
Speaker 1: and these are kind of what you can go out
Speaker 1: and use. And now obviously behind you, I mean that
Speaker 1: what is it granted or marble behind you, and it's
Speaker 1: I mean, even if there was an earthquake, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: even move like that is correct. There's so much science
Speaker 1: involved in fitting players on greens that maybe wasn't available
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, and we're on this journey I would say
Speaker 2: fifteen years fifteen years plus we've we at ping have
Speaker 2: really done a deep dive into the science of putter fitting.
Speaker 2: But I think it's important for the golfer to know
Speaker 2: that it's not all that you know because all those
Speaker 2: the psychological aspect, choosing the right model, falling love with
Speaker 2: the model, using your intuition, these things are still very important.
Speaker 2: So we don't want to tip the scales of all science.
Speaker 2: We kind of again kind of going to that back
Speaker 2: to that ven diagram approach. It's like, you want to
Speaker 2: marry the art and science together, and that's ultimately what
Speaker 2: we're trying to do Shane. But you know, we we
Speaker 2: wanted to ask a lot of questions around putter fitting,
Speaker 2: just like we do with driver fitting and iron fitting
Speaker 2: and things of that nature. It's like, what are the
Speaker 2: most important aspects of putter fitting and putter performance? What
Speaker 2: are the biomechanics, and then how can we develop fitting
Speaker 2: protocols and tools for our fitters and customers to make
Speaker 2: better decisions. So we've identified some of the big staple things. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you want to get into the right length of putter,
Speaker 2: and you talked about adjustability on irons and woods. We
Speaker 2: have a couple We've had a couple of solutions in
Speaker 2: the last five, six, seven years where we can tell
Speaker 2: uscope the length of the putter with our adjustable length.
Speaker 1: I had an answer, Oh, I had a scott I
Speaker 1: had a Scottsdale. I mean I had to have used
Speaker 1: it right when that adjustability of the putter was available.
Speaker 1: I have it. I have it in my golf close
Speaker 1: are right here. I probably used it for like six years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I love the fact that depending on kind of
Speaker 1: how I'm feeling that day or that week, or even
Speaker 1: sometimes with the shoes you're wearing, you could adjust the
Speaker 1: putter a little bit higher. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: I mean we've we've seen on the PGA Tour. I
Speaker 2: think at the US Open a little bit ago, some
Speaker 2: of the players were talking about, oh, I had to
Speaker 2: trim my putter down a quarter of an inch. Now,
Speaker 2: let's say you're the everyday golfer. You got to go
Speaker 2: to the shop, right, get a new grip, you gotta
Speaker 2: do all this stuff. If you have adjustable link putter,
Speaker 2: that's just.
Speaker 1: The screw and there it is. I think there are
Speaker 1: coperations of that. It was very, very cool. But so
Speaker 1: I would say one of the keys to a putter
Speaker 1: for me is I'm coming in there and I want
Speaker 1: to look at something I like to look at. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure you get people that come into the lab
Speaker 1: and they go, I'm like an answer style putter or
Speaker 1: I like a mallet style. And how hard is it
Speaker 1: to change that for a player if through the process
Speaker 1: of fitting you see more success in a model that
Speaker 1: maybe they're not married to when they walk in the door.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that shame. Where we can really use data is
Speaker 2: kind of this this mountain of evidence to help help
Speaker 2: the player.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But that's the number one thing I think you nailed
Speaker 2: it is when when folks come in, they got to
Speaker 2: fall in love with the model of the putter. And
Speaker 2: so the science side of putter fitting and the most
Speaker 2: important principle outside of length we talked about and lingle,
Speaker 2: which you know are very important. We don't ignore those.
Speaker 2: Is getting the right what we call stroke type of
Speaker 2: the putter, and that's based on this is like this
Speaker 2: is like I'm holding the pen right here, right in
Speaker 2: my hands for those listening, and I go to sign
Speaker 2: my name and I'm going to sign it in a
Speaker 2: certain Your signature is your signature, and the same thing
Speaker 2: is for putting. So if you sign your name super quick,
Speaker 2: you would do better with a lightweight pen. Right, if
Speaker 2: you sign your name really slow, you want to get
Speaker 2: that super heavy pin. So this is kind I'm oversimplifying it,
Speaker 2: but there's this biomechanics there where we want to use
Speaker 2: the weight of the putter and fit that to the
Speaker 2: player's tempo. And then the other big one that comes
Speaker 2: even before that is we based on how much somebody
Speaker 2: put applies torque. So I want the listener to pretend
Speaker 2: like they're have a GoPro camera on and we fix
Speaker 2: it right on the end of the putter and we're
Speaker 2: looking down the shaft at the putter face, and how
Speaker 2: much torque or twisting the golfer applies with their hands
Speaker 2: is a major lever that we want to marry up to.
Speaker 2: How much basically toe hang there is on the putter,
Speaker 2: and if we can marry those two things together, magic
Speaker 2: things happen with repeatability of your putting stroke. You're not
Speaker 2: fighting it, so to speak, in your putting stroke, and
Speaker 2: that's the number one thing. So we want to kind
Speaker 2: of marry the headweight stroke type and then have options
Speaker 2: in model styles which are blades, mid mallets, mallets, all
Speaker 2: kinds of alignment archetypes we could talk about, and then
Speaker 2: marry those two things together, right, And that's kind of
Speaker 2: again I talked about this kind of this pyramid approach
Speaker 2: where we kind of build up. We want to build
Speaker 2: all those things and then merge them together, and then
Speaker 2: ultimately a lot of time shame, we'll get down to
Speaker 2: having like two or three different models that fit the
Speaker 2: fitting characteristics from a from a biomechanics, tempo, stroke type standpoint,
Speaker 2: and then we want to go out and maybe play
Speaker 2: a game on the putting green and see which ones
Speaker 2: do better out outside of the lab environment that we
Speaker 2: take them into the real world, create an encore simulation
Speaker 2: and kind of have go through a game like fitting outside.
Speaker 1: I want to know how many people pause the podcast
Speaker 1: and then sign their name and thought, is this pin
Speaker 1: the right weight? I've never thought about this before. Marty,
Speaker 1: You're a true freak by a by faked about the
Speaker 1: weight of the pen in terms of your speed of
Speaker 1: your signature. But I think that's why you are who
Speaker 1: you are and what you do. I've been very impressed
Speaker 1: with Iping, with what you guys have done at Ping
Speaker 1: and Yes, in terms of giving people the option of
Speaker 1: getting fit in the lab with iping, but also having
Speaker 1: an option to send it to somebody at their home
Speaker 1: and having them go through that process. When did iping start?
Speaker 1: And could you talk people through how iping works? Because
Speaker 1: it is going back to the signature and the pen weight.
Speaker 1: It is simplifying all the things you're saying to basically
Speaker 1: five putts for a player. Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So kind of an interesting story on iping. So
Speaker 2: I went to the Carrail School of Minds and mechanical
Speaker 2: Engineer and we did a project where we remember in
Speaker 2: a lab project where we hooked up these sensors to
Speaker 2: a mountain bike and we went out and rode the
Speaker 2: mountain bike around campus and got all this data and
Speaker 2: brought it back in and we analyzed it. And in
Speaker 2: this sensor are our measurement device, the micro electronic measurements
Speaker 2: device called memes, which are accelerometers and gyroscopes and gps,
Speaker 2: and they allowed you to take all these cool measurements
Speaker 2: to how much the handlebars rotate, how much you're going
Speaker 2: like this, and so fast forward. That was in two
Speaker 2: thousand and you know two when I graduated from this
Speaker 2: so fast forward tore like I forget the exact year,
Speaker 2: but is around two thousand and eight nine ten. It's
Speaker 2: when the iPod came out, right, and then they launched
Speaker 2: like a second or third generation that was built for
Speaker 2: playing video games. And so that's when Apple added gyroscopes,
Speaker 2: which you allow you to very precisely measure the rotation.
Speaker 2: This is like y'all pitch and roll on an airplane,
Speaker 2: the rotation. So I actually was like, holy Molly, I
Speaker 2: wonder if we could measure use this to measure how
Speaker 2: much rotation you have on a putting stroke.
Speaker 1: So this is going back to your This is going
Speaker 1: back to college days for you. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: literally stuff you used in college now getting applied once
Speaker 1: almost the technology caught up to what you guys had
Speaker 1: done on the bikes exactly.
Speaker 2: It's kind of that thing like eventually your cell phone
Speaker 2: will do every thing and we're kind of we're still
Speaker 2: on that journey, right, So yeah, once they add the gyroscopes.
Speaker 2: I cutted up a three D printed like a little
Speaker 2: snap on cradle to a putter, put it on, printed
Speaker 2: on our printer. I remember doing this at home, printed
Speaker 2: on our three D printer, snapped it on, uh, downloaded
Speaker 2: an app where we could get like the raw day
Speaker 2: a sensor data. Took some putting strokes. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this might be able to do it. The math got
Speaker 2: really hard for me to figure it out. So that's
Speaker 2: where I had my colleague, doctor Eric Hendrickson do the
Speaker 2: math to start calculating, Okay, how much face rotation can
Speaker 2: we get, tempo, can we get liingle and all those things?
Speaker 2: And sure enough it worked. And so we've still been
Speaker 2: using iping. We've continued to develop it and what it does.
Speaker 2: It allows you to see things in the putting stroke
Speaker 2: that even the most skilled fitter or skilled player cannot
Speaker 2: see with the naked eye, Like you cannot We've we've
Speaker 2: actually tested this. You cannot predict tempo. Somebody can be
Speaker 2: like a fast total time but a slow tempo ratio,
Speaker 2: and it kind of tricks your brain like you can't
Speaker 2: do it, or somebody can have a very inside path
Speaker 2: but not rotate the face a lot, and they would
Speaker 2: still be better off with a like a more face
Speaker 2: balanced putter, or somebody can have I think tiger woodstroke
Speaker 2: is kind of like this, a more of a straightish
Speaker 2: path but a lot of face rotation. Okay, so they
Speaker 2: put a lot of torque on the putter. So these
Speaker 2: things you can't see with the naked eye. That's where
Speaker 2: the tools come in. And then iping allows us to
Speaker 2: measure measure repeatability of your putting stroke, which is something
Speaker 2: so key to solving for and putting. You don't necessarily
Speaker 2: need to chase a two or average number for stroke
Speaker 2: type or tempo or or you name it. You want
Speaker 2: to kind of find what you're gonna be able to
Speaker 2: repeat the most, and then we incentivize that in the
Speaker 2: fitting process.
Speaker 1: So again I mean trying to simplify this to what
Speaker 1: you've said in terms of what the person is going
Speaker 1: to expect to see. Is basically, it's an iPod touch
Speaker 1: that you click onto the shaft of your putter and
Speaker 1: you're hitting five balls with that, and it does it
Speaker 1: does it test three or four things? How many things?
Speaker 1: Is it? Kind of testing as you're going through those processes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think we at the core we're measuring
Speaker 2: five main things. We're measuring a few other things in
Speaker 2: the background, but we're measuring your your setup shaftlean, so
Speaker 2: we can actually get a measurement for how consistently you
Speaker 2: lean the shaft that's your handle forward or handle back.
Speaker 2: We measure your setup liingal and then we also calculate
Speaker 2: that at impact right so we can measure we can
Speaker 2: compare those two things. That has a lot to do
Speaker 2: with getting the right length and lie of the putter,
Speaker 2: make sure the optics are good for you. We need
Speaker 2: to tweak, set up, position, things of that nature. Then
Speaker 2: we measure how much the face rotates on the backstroke
Speaker 2: and forward stroke, and that's strongly correlated with how much
Speaker 2: toe down you should play in your putter, and again
Speaker 2: you can't see that with the naked eye. Then we
Speaker 2: measure your tempo, that's your time of backstroke by time
Speaker 2: of forward stroke. A faster tempo player will generally but
Speaker 2: not always, do better with a lighter headway putter. Slower
Speaker 2: tempo generally do better with the heavier putter. And then
Speaker 2: we measure a missing one in their Shane, we also
Speaker 2: measure Yeah, no, I think I got it because loft
Speaker 2: and live those were those were those are the other
Speaker 2: two variables.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mixed in there. I mean I've done both iterations this, Marny.
Speaker 1: I've had the one sent to my house and got
Speaker 1: to do it right behind where I'm at kind of
Speaker 1: on my mat, and then i had one in the
Speaker 1: lab as well. And I'm always just so fascinated by
Speaker 1: you know, You're you're seeing it through the processes of
Speaker 1: different putters, and you're getting to see in real time
Speaker 1: with a score, which again, like we're simple beings here,
Speaker 1: I mean we're golfers. Like scoring is all we're really
Speaker 1: looking for, right, I mean, once you shoot today, how
Speaker 1: many greens did you hit? How are your putting stats?
Speaker 1: How'd you drive the golf ball? You guys have put
Speaker 1: this into a score for players. I mean there's a
Speaker 1: leader board to your right right now. Some of the
Speaker 1: best numbers. Shout out to my buddy RJ who's on
Speaker 1: that board as an amateur and one of the better
Speaker 1: putting numbers you guys have ever had. But I mean
Speaker 1: there's a literal score that will show you where you
Speaker 1: kind of sit in terms of handicap by how your
Speaker 1: putting stroke works sufficiently and repeatability wise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when we when we developed EPING, and this
Speaker 2: is like the early days of launch monitors. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like a launch monitor you're putting is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you get data, Well, what's a mean what do you
Speaker 2: do with that? That's the most important part. So we developed, Shane,
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, this calculation called your your putting handicap.
Speaker 2: And the way we did that we had everybody at Pink.
Speaker 2: We literally went around to the corporate desk of folks
Speaker 2: because you can do iping right there, and you're right
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, five balls and we're like, what's
Speaker 2: your hand We know everyone's handicap here, so we're like,
Speaker 2: what's your handicap? Give me five putts and we tell them, hey,
Speaker 2: try to be as repeatable as you can, kind of
Speaker 2: blocks style putting, and we measured their repeatability. That's like
Speaker 2: your standard deviation, like how much variation do you have?
Speaker 2: And we developed this beautiful correlation between your actual golf
Speaker 2: handicap and how repeatable you are with your putting. And
Speaker 2: we use we actually use the ping Man robot to
Speaker 2: set I forget what we actually have there in iping
Speaker 2: is the best handicap. It's like you know, plus eight
Speaker 2: or whatever, right, it's the most repeatable and and and
Speaker 2: then so we saw this great correlation between your repeatability
Speaker 2: and your actual golf handicap. Well, then we started applying
Speaker 2: that to let's have you, Shane Putt with a putter
Speaker 2: that has a certain different characteristic to it, wait to it,
Speaker 2: base rotation characteristics, what have you. And we saw this
Speaker 2: predictive quality that the better your iping putting handicap, the
Speaker 2: better you would perform with that putter out on the
Speaker 2: golf course. That's what ultimately matters. So then we could
Speaker 2: start using that score to compare contrast and fit putters.
Speaker 1: How are you trying to push that technology forward, because
Speaker 1: I know there's been a couple of iterations of iping
Speaker 1: already as you, I mean, I know you're a guy
Speaker 1: that's looking years ahead. How do you guys perfect this
Speaker 1: technology and make it even easier and better for the consumer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's a great question. So right now the
Speaker 2: consumer can go on ping ping dot com, go to
Speaker 2: find a fitter, and you go into the filters and
Speaker 2: you can find a fitter close to you that's using
Speaker 2: iping too, So that's awesome. So we're catering you is
Speaker 2: a custom fitting tool for our fitters. Number one for
Speaker 2: to fit all of our putters out there with our
Speaker 2: UH with our retail network and our fitter network. And
Speaker 2: then number two the experience you went through, which is
Speaker 2: really cool, Shane, is our pod custom program he K.
Speaker 2: So that's where you you will. You can either come
Speaker 2: here to where I'm at right now and get fit
Speaker 2: for your putter, or we can do a remote experience,
Speaker 2: which we'd call telefitting, and that's that experience. Well, we'll
Speaker 2: actually ship you an iPod and you get in the
Speaker 2: mail and you we guide you through doing several sessions
Speaker 2: on iping and we use that data set up a
Speaker 2: telefitting like this to drive the putter fitting process and
Speaker 2: the customization process. Because we want to with PLD program,
Speaker 2: we wanted we had a rule for ourselves and I
Speaker 2: was kind of part of that decision where we want
Speaker 2: to have every player be fit for their putter. We
Speaker 2: don't want this to be just kind of order putter
Speaker 2: you think is right for you. We want to kind
Speaker 2: of marry those two things together. Yes, let's put on
Speaker 2: the custom sideline, stamping, customization all those things that are
Speaker 2: super important to the player, but let's also have those
Speaker 2: fitting metrics to go along with it. And then a
Speaker 2: few other new features we've had to ipink too that
Speaker 2: we could touch on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no U two album on the on the iPod
Speaker 1: that gets sent out, that's not like automatically downloaded on there.
Speaker 1: And also you do have to send the iPod back.
Speaker 1: That is not something you get to keep as like
Speaker 1: a momento to uh to previous technology. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you mentioned the PLD program. It's uh, it's been really
Speaker 1: cool to see. I have my original PLD putter more
Speaker 1: of like an answer style. I've gotten into more of
Speaker 1: a of a mallet style as I've gotten a little
Speaker 1: bit older. Maybe my stroke hasn't been maybe as consistent.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like have I like weight in the
Speaker 1: way I putt, so moving over to mallet has been
Speaker 1: nice for me. But I think again, getting fit for
Speaker 1: a putter, I feel like it's something that maybe I
Speaker 1: didn't ever expect to be an important part of the
Speaker 1: golf experience. But once you get set up with something
Speaker 1: that a you like to look down at and b
Speaker 1: is creating the numbers that are helpful and around your handicap,
Speaker 1: or maybe even better than what your handicap is. You
Speaker 1: can really get set and I mean it goes beyond that.
Speaker 1: I mean groove depth, right, I mean you like a
Speaker 1: firmer putter, Do you like a softer feel? You can
Speaker 1: go through a million different iterations of grip and I
Speaker 1: think that's very important. Right, is this grip good for you?
Speaker 1: How big are your hands? How small your hands? There
Speaker 1: are so many steps that go into the right putter
Speaker 1: for someone, and I feel like the PLD program has
Speaker 1: been exactly that is. It's a high end putter that
Speaker 1: does everything that needs to be done to get you
Speaker 1: on those greens feeling the most comfortable possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you touched on some very key area Shaane,
Speaker 2: like with just being able to customize the the face texture.
Speaker 2: You know, anyone shun test this for themselves, right. All
Speaker 2: you have to do is put on your noise canceling
Speaker 2: headphones and putt with a couple of different putters, or
Speaker 2: grab a range ball and then a softer compression ball
Speaker 2: and put with them and see if you can tell
Speaker 2: the difference in the field. I don't need to answer
Speaker 2: that for you, but the answer is probably got to
Speaker 2: be no, like sound is everything in putting, like the
Speaker 2: acoustics is virtually everything, and so by changing and customizing
Speaker 2: that face texture, we can make little adjustments. And we've
Speaker 2: we've heard this from some of our players we've interviewed
Speaker 2: in the in the tour truck chain. They're so particular
Speaker 2: about the sound feel and the perception of how the
Speaker 2: speed comes off the face that that's a variable we
Speaker 2: wanted to put in there. And then grips Man, We've
Speaker 2: done a lot of research on putter grips like. It's
Speaker 2: not just pick the one you like, there's there's some
Speaker 2: major science behind it. That goes back to our founder
Speaker 2: Carston having a bent shaft in his putters to point
Speaker 2: where the shaft went closer to the middle of the
Speaker 2: face to get putters to perform more like a face
Speaker 2: balance putter. And then the USGA kind of banned that
Speaker 2: putting a bend in the shaft really high. Obviously we
Speaker 2: can do bends down at the bottom.
Speaker 1: So he got.
Speaker 2: Creative and bored the hole in the grip off axis
Speaker 2: and created the pistol grip. So many people, Hey, the
Speaker 2: famous you know, best player in the history of golf
Speaker 2: used the putter grip called the PP fifty eight that
Speaker 2: stands for a ping pistol. Well, the reason why you'd
Speaker 2: want to do that from a science standpoint is to
Speaker 2: point that upper hand more towards the middle of the
Speaker 2: face and make a slight arc putter perform more like
Speaker 2: a face balance putter. So it's even the amount of
Speaker 2: pistol in the grip, we can kind of dial that
Speaker 2: in for your putting stroke.
Speaker 1: There was nothing more Tiger Woods in the fact that
Speaker 1: he had that same grip on his putter for like
Speaker 1: years and years years using different manufactured putters. But he
Speaker 1: was convinced and he was set on that putter grip
Speaker 1: being the grip he was going to used. It was
Speaker 1: just ama amazing, real quick. I wanted to ask you this.
Speaker 1: I know it's not necessarily about putting, but I kind
Speaker 1: of is. You said something about sound earlier, and you've
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this, and you've you've
Speaker 1: changed the way I practice. Literally, you have changed the
Speaker 1: way I practice because you made this point to me
Speaker 1: when I was in Scottsdale. It's not great to practice
Speaker 1: with headphones on. This is something I used to always do.
Speaker 1: I'd always listen to a podcast or listening to music
Speaker 1: on the range hitting balls, and we're taking away feel
Speaker 1: for the practice by not being able to hear everything
Speaker 1: as crisply as maybe you need to. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: get it that.
Speaker 2: I mean even me sham like, oh man, I love
Speaker 2: listening to a podcast when I'm chipping or putting or
Speaker 2: something like that. But I'll do it now, but I'll
Speaker 2: turn the volume like really low, you know so. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think in the in the in the ideal state,
Speaker 2: you would not be doing that when you're hitting balls.
Speaker 2: Acoustics is so important to the feedback. I mean, when
Speaker 2: we fit wedges, for example, you want to you you know,
Speaker 2: a good fitter uses the set because the sound gives
Speaker 2: you a clue about the timing of the bounce interaction
Speaker 2: with the turf and the ball interaction. Right. I mean
Speaker 2: that you ask any good fitter that's fitting wedges outdoors,
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, you kind of like the one
Speaker 2: that's gonna have that nice click to it. You don't
Speaker 2: get the double hump means you're kind of hitting the
Speaker 2: ground first or thinning it or whatever. So, yeah, acoustics
Speaker 2: is a huge deal. I know it's a hard thing
Speaker 2: to do. I know it's a cultural thing, but I
Speaker 2: think from a purest standpoint, if you if you can,
Speaker 2: you know, throw your air pods on at the gym
Speaker 2: instead of while your practice, especially you're chipping and putting,
Speaker 2: it's a huge deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird when silence happens in modern society. You're going, wait,
Speaker 1: this is so weird. These are birds chirping. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the hell's going on, but I guess I'll
Speaker 1: be into exactly how much tour feedback have helped you
Speaker 1: guys with different types of models with your ping putters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our tour feedback's been huge, Shane, And I think
Speaker 2: I mean it started with our founder Carson going back
Speaker 2: again kind of spending so much time with our tour players.
Speaker 2: And now fast forward to the p and we have
Speaker 2: our master putter designer, Tony Serrano, who leads our designs
Speaker 2: that we do with our tour players, and we've we've
Speaker 2: we've really catered through the PLD program and then the
Speaker 2: ones that have been super successful, super popular with both
Speaker 2: our tour players and PLD, we bring them into our
Speaker 2: mainline putters. I think a couple of good examples we
Speaker 2: launched the Tyne model which is our kind of fork
Speaker 2: style archetype model. And we're working with Cameron Champ and
Speaker 2: he he really got particular, is like, hey, man, I
Speaker 2: love this model, but I'd like to see it smaller
Speaker 2: in size, shrunk down. He wanted a center shaft version.
Speaker 2: Then he kind of was working on some changes in
Speaker 2: stroke mechanics. He wanted a you know, a heel shafted version.
Speaker 2: So that time four was a really good one. We
Speaker 2: work with Cameron champon the OSLO and the PLD family.
Speaker 2: We work with Trell Hatton on very particular. We spent
Speaker 2: some time with him talking about how particular he was
Speaker 2: with his putter designs.
Speaker 1: I mean Victor in the DS.
Speaker 2: We literally designed that putter with Victor Hoblin, and that's
Speaker 2: a putter anybody can go out and get both in
Speaker 2: our PLD family and our main line line putter models.
Speaker 2: And it's been fun to work all those little levels
Speaker 2: of nuance into the models, Shane. Another one that you
Speaker 2: said a good analogy for yourself was Tony f Now
Speaker 2: he came in, he's like, man, he used an answer
Speaker 2: putter answer style putter for a long time. He's like, man,
Speaker 2: I just don't want to go all the way to
Speaker 2: a mid mallet. So we developed the answer two D
Speaker 2: literally for Tony fe Now, and that's a putter's been
Speaker 2: super popular, kind of that big style answer model, which
Speaker 2: doesn't you don't have to go all the way to
Speaker 2: a mid mallet putter, right, So it's it's it's a
Speaker 2: tweener model. And that's exactly what what Tony was looking for.
Speaker 2: And we developed out putter for Marty.
Speaker 1: Why certain people use center shafted versus other types of
Speaker 1: shaft insertion levels on putters, Like what's the difference in
Speaker 1: what fits what type player?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you have more face rotation again kind
Speaker 2: of measured on iping, if you rotate the putter more
Speaker 2: torque it more, you will generally do better with a
Speaker 2: more face balanced putter. So that could be a center
Speaker 2: shafted or it could be one with a long neck
Speaker 2: on it where it hangs face balanced, or it could
Speaker 2: be one with a double bend or what have you
Speaker 2: that hangs more face balanced. Now, there are some exemptions
Speaker 2: to that, Shane. You can let's say you're a golfer
Speaker 2: that doesn't rotate the face a lot, but you tend
Speaker 2: to pull your putts. Then we see this really strong
Speaker 2: measurement and a lot of our testing we've done that
Speaker 2: if you pull your putts and you go to a
Speaker 2: pudder with more toe hang, it will deliver the face
Speaker 2: more open. So again that was the metric I missed
Speaker 2: on iping, Shane is delivered face angle. You can measure
Speaker 2: your delivered face angle. That was the fifth metric I
Speaker 2: missed there. And if you if we if we're saying, okay,
Speaker 2: you don't rotate the pudder face a lot, but you
Speaker 2: pull your putts, we can measure that. On iping, we
Speaker 2: can put you into a more tow down putter to
Speaker 2: bias that delivered face angle. So that's a really big deal.
Speaker 2: And then we can also use offset a little bit.
Speaker 2: How much offset you have on the putter that we've
Speaker 2: seen a correlation there more offset, generally speaking, there's always
Speaker 2: exceptions in putter, so you got to kind of always
Speaker 2: put this caveat on it. But generally speaking, more offset
Speaker 2: the player will aim the putter a little bit more
Speaker 2: left at address and deliver more dynamic loft. So if
Speaker 2: you tend to not deliver enough loft on your putter,
Speaker 2: not only can we change the actual static loft, we
Speaker 2: can also use the offset on the shaft and pick
Speaker 2: a right model to kind of tune in your aim
Speaker 2: and your delivered face angle.
Speaker 1: What goes into new Putter designs Because it feels like,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I've felt like this for a
Speaker 1: long time. Oh, I'm sure they've checked all the boxers.
Speaker 1: There's no way they can come out with a new
Speaker 1: Putter model. And I mean I think the DOC was
Speaker 1: one that was just completely crazy. I mean there's been
Speaker 1: so many iterations of new age Putter designs where all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's something that we didn't know existed.
Speaker 1: What goes into introducing a new a completely new model
Speaker 1: to kind of the ping off the ping line when
Speaker 1: it feels like we've seen so many come through over
Speaker 1: the last you know, seventy eighty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like, Okay, you want to kind
Speaker 2: of have these kind of fundamental principles or a box
Speaker 2: that you play with in like, Okay, we know we
Speaker 2: need to have different stroke types, we know we need
Speaker 2: to have different headweights. Then you want to give yourself
Speaker 2: permission to have creative solutions. There might be a little
Speaker 2: bit outside the box. Jane, I think a great example
Speaker 2: of one of my personal favorite stories over the last
Speaker 2: like five years was we had Anlin Solheim, who's John
Speaker 2: Solheim's brother. He had the idea of, hey, we should
Speaker 2: design a putter because he goes and plays a lot
Speaker 2: of scrambles, fun events, what have you. He's the aging
Speaker 2: golfer in great shape. But it's like, hey, we should
Speaker 2: have a putter for the older golfer or you name it,
Speaker 2: any golfer that can pick the ball up off the green.
Speaker 2: And then he was like, hey, what if we had it,
Speaker 2: you could actually get the ball out of the hole.
Speaker 2: So we were like, you know, it's one of those
Speaker 2: things where you know, some people like laugh at you
Speaker 2: the idea, Oh, let's design a putter. It gets the
Speaker 2: ball out of the whole. Well, sure enough, Shaye, we
Speaker 2: did it. We named it and we branded it the
Speaker 2: Fetch because that's exactly what does. It fetches the ball
Speaker 2: out of the hole. But turns out we had this
Speaker 2: surprising result that was our number one selling putter in
Speaker 2: that putter family for like six months to Fetch because
Speaker 2: it solved a real problem a golfer. Right, it sounds
Speaker 2: like a gimmick, but solves a real problem. You know,
Speaker 2: so many people have those little things that you puck. Yes,
Speaker 2: ex absolutely, but the fetch, we have a ball alignment
Speaker 2: feature and actually the putter being small help players focus
Speaker 2: and we had one of our top players on the
Speaker 2: LPGA Tour use that putter for a long time. Then
Speaker 2: my favorite story with the fetch was Lee Westwood use
Speaker 2: down the Deep World Tour. He's winning a big, big
Speaker 2: event in Abu Dhabi and I actually sent him a
Speaker 2: message because he was leading. I was like, hey, Lee,
Speaker 2: it would be epic if you if you pluck that
Speaker 2: ball out of the hole on the green on the
Speaker 2: last the eighteenth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look this up.
Speaker 2: Go to YouTube. Look it up.
Speaker 1: Lee Westwood literally did it.
Speaker 2: He hold out his last putt, won the tournament from
Speaker 2: He putted it in from like a foot, put his
Speaker 2: fetch down in the cup, raised his hands and we
Speaker 2: still have that picture over here just outside the hall
Speaker 2: here at the proving grounds.
Speaker 1: He's doing he's doing a commercial for you guys. It's
Speaker 1: like we don't even have to hire any actors. We're
Speaker 1: dialed on it. That was my dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he designed the fetch. A tour player wins with
Speaker 2: it and plucks out their winning putt.
Speaker 1: Marty you mentioned earlier you know, everybody's handicaps at the
Speaker 1: Ping campus. There's a lot of people that work there.
Speaker 1: Is there shifting and kind of acknowledgment for who has
Speaker 1: the best handicap? And does that move a lot? I mean,
Speaker 1: is there? Is it a competitive top three? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: it's good.
Speaker 2: Well, we're recording it this week During the US Senior Open.
Speaker 2: We got will Yana Gasawa O our rep who works
Speaker 2: at the tour apartment, playing and he qualified.
Speaker 1: He's the leader again.
Speaker 2: Last year, exactly last year we had a field rep,
Speaker 2: Rick Bell playing in the US Senior Open. One of
Speaker 2: our our sales reps in the Northeast, Shannon Johnson, won
Speaker 2: the US Women's mid Am like four years ago. So Shade,
Speaker 2: I tell you what, man, it is very competitive and
Speaker 2: it does move around.
Speaker 1: I just want to know how many pluses there are?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: I mean, you'll have to get the number at some point.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine it is going to be a high,
Speaker 1: high number. It's like going to a whisper rock and
Speaker 1: you go, these are literally all the people that are pluses.
Speaker 1: This is so wild, you know. I mean the putting
Speaker 1: thing is is so cool because what I again, I've
Speaker 1: gone back to this a lot as we've chatted. But
Speaker 1: what I find so fascinating is finding solutions for problems
Speaker 1: that golfers probably don't even realize exist exactly. And I
Speaker 1: feel like with the I PING and with the continued
Speaker 1: push for simplifying the technology, technology is advancing by the second,
Speaker 1: it feels like in our society, and simplifying that whole
Speaker 1: process so everybody can understand it. I mean again, going
Speaker 1: back to a leader board and a number and a
Speaker 1: putting handicap, all of this stuff is something that you
Speaker 1: can actually look at. It's quantifiable, and I feel like
Speaker 1: with PING, you guys do an excellent job at trying
Speaker 1: to quantify all of the science in the months and
Speaker 1: the years that go into certain projects so that everybody
Speaker 1: can understand it, because golf can be very complicated, and
Speaker 1: these things aren't complicated to somebody that's coming into the lab.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree, Shane, And but I want to stress
Speaker 2: this point again that we're not ignoring the intuition that
Speaker 2: you have to fall in love with the right right.
Speaker 2: Putting is really like the art and science. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think an analogy would be, like you see some
Speaker 2: of the golf purist be like, oh, green readings and art.
Speaker 2: You know, everything breaks towards this, and then you got
Speaker 2: like all the players out there crediting their latest on
Speaker 2: a learning game point right science based thing. These ame
Speaker 2: pointers aren't ignoring their intuition, they're just adding to that,
Speaker 2: and so we want to do the same thing. On
Speaker 2: putter fitting. We're not ignoring that you need to fall
Speaker 2: in love with your putter, and there's those aspects, but
Speaker 2: we do want to bring in the right amount of
Speaker 2: fitting in science and again marry those two things together.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm so excited about on both our pod
Speaker 2: program have an iping out there to help our fitters.
Speaker 2: Hopefully the conversations like this will help the every day golfer.
Speaker 2: If you do nothing else, get on iping, get on blast,
Speaker 2: get on something that can measure your face rotation and
Speaker 2: know what that is and have that in mind when
Speaker 2: you go pick how much towdown there is in your
Speaker 2: putter if you do nothing else. That's the basic, most basic,
Speaker 2: fundamental takeaway, Marty.
Speaker 1: What do you say to people that are the change
Speaker 1: the putter once a month or they have the six
Speaker 1: putters in the closet and when one's not acting rights,
Speaker 1: it's immediately to a new one. What do you say
Speaker 1: to this, I mean, are you in this camp or like, like,
Speaker 1: what do you say to people that are always kind
Speaker 1: of switching the putter depending on how they're rolling it?
Speaker 1: Do you, Shane?
Speaker 2: Do you know Debbie Cruz here who is like a
Speaker 2: researcher here it is to you. So she actually did
Speaker 2: a study on that that that indicated that it is
Speaker 2: actually helpful to switch putter models often. Oh no, there
Speaker 2: is a little bit of science out there. There is
Speaker 2: a little bit of science.
Speaker 1: I would have liked to I would have liked to
Speaker 1: dive into that study and see who they who she
Speaker 1: talked to and and how do you get the data there?
Speaker 1: Are you a say putter all the time guy? Or
Speaker 1: do you change a decent amount?
Speaker 2: I think I would be like, And again I go
Speaker 2: to the fact, I love having these conversations running with
Speaker 2: with our tour staff because we're asking them, We're asking
Speaker 2: them that same question. I think I'm kind of the same.
Speaker 2: Like I love the catch model. We we've we've diagnosed
Speaker 2: and put players into kind of four different alignment types
Speaker 2: of putters, and I'm definitely the one that likes a
Speaker 2: long continuous aligne from the back of the putter to
Speaker 2: the front. And we've done some really cool research where
Speaker 2: we where where we have golfers where I tracking goggles.
Speaker 2: This is the fun, This is the coolest thing, Shane.
Speaker 2: We track where golfers, pupils are looking and they can't
Speaker 2: tell you where they're looking. We see people looking at
Speaker 2: their left toe, their knee, the the labels on the shaft.
Speaker 2: That's why we don't put labels on the shaft. It
Speaker 2: was distracting. The eye of the player goes. This goes
Speaker 2: into some things that have done out of free throw
Speaker 2: shooters that are really good. They've done this with Steph Curry.
Speaker 2: He has the quietest eye when he shoots. So in
Speaker 2: putting we've seen that same thing. So we want to
Speaker 2: have putters that induce quiet eye. Like we don't want
Speaker 2: to have a lot of distracting things. But if you're
Speaker 2: a player like me, going back to my favorite model,
Speaker 2: I look at the very back of that line, the
Speaker 2: very front of the line, and I use that to
Speaker 2: aim my putter. That's why I've always used that that
Speaker 2: putter model. I've stuck to it. Unless it's misbehaving, then
Speaker 2: I'll take it out. But then I'll go always go
Speaker 2: back to that catch model.
Speaker 1: And you fall back in love with the one that
Speaker 1: you really know you want to use. That's like the
Speaker 1: tournament tournament mode. I've always, always, I love the customization
Speaker 1: program with PLD as well. You know, are you align
Speaker 1: on top or you align kind of on the base
Speaker 1: of the putter? Do you want no lines at all?
Speaker 1: Is it dot? I mean you guys do different color ways. Yes.
Speaker 1: With PLD. I mean again this goes back to more
Speaker 1: what you want to look at and what you do
Speaker 1: you want to present is just something cool, But the
Speaker 1: customization options are relatively endless as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that PLD has been great in that regard, and
Speaker 2: we see how many different alignment types that are tour
Speaker 2: tour players use. And again it's fun to be able
Speaker 2: to pass that along to anybody participating in that pod
Speaker 2: program to and again we marry not only what you
Speaker 2: think you want, we bring in our scientific research to
Speaker 2: help you make that good decision. And that's kind of
Speaker 2: the sweet spot of that PLD custom program.
Speaker 1: I'm going to post my putter on Instagram when this
Speaker 1: episode drops, just so you can see some of the
Speaker 1: customization options. I've got a little like an equation if
Speaker 1: you will, on the base of my PLD putter that
Speaker 1: has kind of my family involved in it. But again,
Speaker 1: little things you can do that you know, make it yours.
Speaker 1: And again I think that's if we've seen anything with
Speaker 1: golf over the last few years, it's it's cool personal
Speaker 1: stuff plays and that's head covers that you want, you know,
Speaker 1: that are that are yours at your clubs. There's so
Speaker 1: many brands out there that are doing such amazing stuff
Speaker 1: in that world. It's towels, you know, from your home
Speaker 1: club or from your local golf tournament that you want
Speaker 1: on the bag. It's not the you know, the clip
Speaker 1: the towel on your bag now and obviously it's gone
Speaker 1: into the golf clubs as well, and I think the
Speaker 1: putter is probably the best place to present that in
Speaker 1: the bag outside of maybe your wedge stampings. Is having
Speaker 1: that putter kind of tell your own story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it just goes to show shade that
Speaker 2: like putting is such like it's such an emotional thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yes, going back to what we've started the conversation with, you.
Speaker 2: Need some good vibes, you know what. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and I think another fun thing on the
Speaker 2: PLD Shane is that it was the number one putter
Speaker 2: model the NCAA Men's National Championship over here at Greyhawk
Speaker 2: this year. And you should see just like yours. You
Speaker 2: should see all the customization we did for our college
Speaker 2: players on those putters, which is super sweet, you know,
Speaker 2: especially their different team colors and everything like that. But
Speaker 2: such an awesome program, and yeah, throw yours out there.
Speaker 1: I will post that on Instagram. Already, great chat, I
Speaker 1: find I find this stuff incredibly fascinating. And the listener,
Speaker 1: do you talk about it, because you obviously have seen
Speaker 1: so much of this from iteration to now being available
Speaker 1: to the public, to now being available to get shipped
Speaker 1: at your home and do it yourself. It's so cool
Speaker 1: to find the solutions for issues in the golf game
Speaker 1: because there are more issues out there than even golfers
Speaker 1: realize exist. Yeah, and I mean you know what again,
Speaker 1: going back to what I said to you, is there
Speaker 1: are things you guys are working on to even improve
Speaker 1: and perfect everything you've already tried to solve. And I
Speaker 1: find that so fascinating. So appreciate the time as always.
Speaker 1: Now I might go practice putting with no headphones outside
Speaker 1: in the backyard exactly. Uh, and hopefully the putter behaves, Marty.
Speaker 1: It behaved this week. It was nice to see putts
Speaker 1: go in. I heard that there's there's nothing better than
Speaker 1: twelve footers to save par. I think that's my favorite
Speaker 1: golf shot in the sport is when you make the
Speaker 1: relatively mid linked putt to save par and keep the
Speaker 1: round going. Uh, that will keep the Dauber up. I'll
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Shane, give a little give it. Don't be shy man.
Speaker 1: What'd you shoot your what'd you shooting in your last terment? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Played in the ike. It's one of the met majors
Speaker 1: out here. Shot a seventy one, seventy one and closed
Speaker 1: with sixty six and drove it. Dude. Oh man, I
Speaker 1: hit the driver so good, Marty. I mean, it's so
Speaker 1: fun when you're driving it well and you're making putts.
Speaker 1: It's like the perfect recipe. And yeah, the ping that's
Speaker 1: by the way, that's my first tournament with my new
Speaker 1: ping clubs in the bag. So like, you know, that's right.
Speaker 1: I'd had the driver, I had the three wood, but
Speaker 1: like new Irons, i'd had the crossover and there before
Speaker 1: but my new irons, my new wedges, and my new putter.
Speaker 1: Like a full tournament, you know, three day tournament. That
Speaker 1: was my first one and I top ten, died and
Speaker 1: uh it was fun. My dad was out here and
Speaker 1: he was watching, So it's fun. We don't get to
Speaker 1: celebrate golf much. It's fun when you get to celebrate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, low rounded the day, I mean you show the
Speaker 2: low round the day in any tournament against anybody, but
Speaker 2: especially that one, Shane, that's legit.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Thank you so much, Marty.
Speaker 1: This is the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. We'll be back
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