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Speaker 1: The guys from Ping, They've kind of showed me how

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Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bacon.

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Speaker 1: That is Marty Jerts and Marty You're in the Ping

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Speaker 1: Putting Lab, which is good for today because, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I think it's time to talk about the thing people

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Speaker 1: don't like to practice, the thing people don't like to

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Speaker 1: talk about and focus on, but the most important part

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Speaker 1: of golf, and that is in fact, rolling the rock

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Speaker 1: on the greens. Putting is instrumental in good or bad

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Speaker 1: rounds for every single golfer, no matter their handicap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Shane. I mean it's like putting's one of

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Speaker 2: those things where I mean the everyday golfer might not

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Speaker 2: you know, but for one hole in one round, you

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Speaker 2: the most variable skill. I think that's what makes putting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's again, you can do so many things.

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Speaker 1: You get on the green and it's like your mindset changes.

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Speaker 1: It's a different skill set. I mean the golf swing

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Speaker 1: it's just about get it in and you can put crosshanded,

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Speaker 1: you can arm lock. You can do so many different

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Speaker 1: variations of rolling the rock. It's just which one gets

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Speaker 1: the ball in the hole the fastest. What's your relationship

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Speaker 1: at times? Like have you messed with a lot of

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Speaker 1: different iterations of putting? What's been your relationship with this

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Speaker 2: Man Shane, I feel like I'm at a therapist or something.

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Speaker 2: I asked you that question, but I bet every golfer

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Speaker 2: I shot sixty two and I made everything, and putting

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think over the years, I've really tried

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Speaker 1: The the kind of the iterations of fittings. It really

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Speaker 2: we're trying to do Shane. But you know, we we

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Speaker 2: then number two the experience you went through, which is

432
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 2: really cool, Shane, is our pod custom program he K.

433
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,959
Speaker 2: So that's where you you will. You can either come

434
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 2: here to where I'm at right now and get fit

435
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,880
Speaker 2: for your putter, or we can do a remote experience,

436
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 2: which we'd call telefitting, and that's that experience. Well, we'll

437
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 2: actually ship you an iPod and you get in the

438
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 2: mail and you we guide you through doing several sessions

439
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: on iping and we use that data set up a

440
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 2: telefitting like this to drive the putter fitting process and

441
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 2: the customization process. Because we want to with PLD program,

442
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 2: we wanted we had a rule for ourselves and I

443
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 2: was kind of part of that decision where we want

444
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 2: to have every player be fit for their putter. We

445
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 2: don't want this to be just kind of order putter

446
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 2: you think is right for you. We want to kind

447
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: of marry those two things together. Yes, let's put on

448
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 2: the custom sideline, stamping, customization all those things that are

449
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: super important to the player, but let's also have those

450
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 2: fitting metrics to go along with it. And then a

451
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 2: few other new features we've had to ipink too that

452
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: we could touch on.

453
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, no U two album on the on the iPod

454
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: that gets sent out, that's not like automatically downloaded on there.

455
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: And also you do have to send the iPod back.

456
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: That is not something you get to keep as like

457
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: a momento to uh to previous technology. But uh, yeah,

458
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned the PLD program. It's uh, it's been really

459
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: cool to see. I have my original PLD putter more

460
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: of like an answer style. I've gotten into more of

461
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 1: a of a mallet style as I've gotten a little

462
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: bit older. Maybe my stroke hasn't been maybe as consistent.

463
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I like have I like weight in the

464
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: way I putt, so moving over to mallet has been

465
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: nice for me. But I think again, getting fit for

466
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: a putter, I feel like it's something that maybe I

467
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 1: didn't ever expect to be an important part of the

468
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: golf experience. But once you get set up with something

469
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: that a you like to look down at and b

470
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: is creating the numbers that are helpful and around your handicap,

471
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: or maybe even better than what your handicap is. You

472
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: can really get set and I mean it goes beyond that.

473
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean groove depth, right, I mean you like a

474
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: firmer putter, Do you like a softer feel? You can

475
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: go through a million different iterations of grip and I

476
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: think that's very important. Right, is this grip good for you?

477
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: How big are your hands? How small your hands? There

478
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: are so many steps that go into the right putter

479
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: for someone, and I feel like the PLD program has

480
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: been exactly that is. It's a high end putter that

481
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: does everything that needs to be done to get you

482
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: on those greens feeling the most comfortable possible.

483
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you touched on some very key area Shaane,

484
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: like with just being able to customize the the face texture.

485
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: You know, anyone shun test this for themselves, right. All

486
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: you have to do is put on your noise canceling

487
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: headphones and putt with a couple of different putters, or

488
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: grab a range ball and then a softer compression ball

489
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 2: and put with them and see if you can tell

490
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: the difference in the field. I don't need to answer

491
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: that for you, but the answer is probably got to

492
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: be no, like sound is everything in putting, like the

493
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: acoustics is virtually everything, and so by changing and customizing

494
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: that face texture, we can make little adjustments. And we've

495
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 2: we've heard this from some of our players we've interviewed

496
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 2: in the in the tour truck chain. They're so particular

497
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: about the sound feel and the perception of how the

498
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: speed comes off the face that that's a variable we

499
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: wanted to put in there. And then grips Man, We've

500
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: done a lot of research on putter grips like. It's

501
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: not just pick the one you like, there's there's some

502
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: major science behind it. That goes back to our founder

503
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: Carston having a bent shaft in his putters to point

504
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: where the shaft went closer to the middle of the

505
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: face to get putters to perform more like a face

506
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: balance putter. And then the USGA kind of banned that

507
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: putting a bend in the shaft really high. Obviously we

508
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: can do bends down at the bottom.

509
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: So he got.

510
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: Creative and bored the hole in the grip off axis

511
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: and created the pistol grip. So many people, Hey, the

512
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: famous you know, best player in the history of golf

513
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: used the putter grip called the PP fifty eight that

514
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: stands for a ping pistol. Well, the reason why you'd

515
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: want to do that from a science standpoint is to

516
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: point that upper hand more towards the middle of the

517
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: face and make a slight arc putter perform more like

518
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: a face balance putter. So it's even the amount of

519
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: pistol in the grip, we can kind of dial that

520
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: in for your putting stroke.

521
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: There was nothing more Tiger Woods in the fact that

522
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: he had that same grip on his putter for like

523
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: years and years years using different manufactured putters. But he

524
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: was convinced and he was set on that putter grip

525
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: being the grip he was going to used. It was

526
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: just ama amazing, real quick. I wanted to ask you this.

527
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: I know it's not necessarily about putting, but I kind

528
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: of is. You said something about sound earlier, and you've

529
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this, and you've you've

530
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: changed the way I practice. Literally, you have changed the

531
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: way I practice because you made this point to me

532
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: when I was in Scottsdale. It's not great to practice

533
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: with headphones on. This is something I used to always do.

534
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: I'd always listen to a podcast or listening to music

535
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: on the range hitting balls, and we're taking away feel

536
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: for the practice by not being able to hear everything

537
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: as crisply as maybe you need to. Yeah, and I

538
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: get it that.

539
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: I mean even me sham like, oh man, I love

540
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: listening to a podcast when I'm chipping or putting or

541
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: something like that. But I'll do it now, but I'll

542
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: turn the volume like really low, you know so. But yeah,

543
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: I think in the in the in the ideal state,

544
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: you would not be doing that when you're hitting balls.

545
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: Acoustics is so important to the feedback. I mean, when

546
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: we fit wedges, for example, you want to you you know,

547
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 2: a good fitter uses the set because the sound gives

548
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: you a clue about the timing of the bounce interaction

549
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 2: with the turf and the ball interaction. Right. I mean

550
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: that you ask any good fitter that's fitting wedges outdoors,

551
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, you kind of like the one

552
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 2: that's gonna have that nice click to it. You don't

553
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: get the double hump means you're kind of hitting the

554
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: ground first or thinning it or whatever. So, yeah, acoustics

555
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: is a huge deal. I know it's a hard thing

556
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: to do. I know it's a cultural thing, but I

557
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 2: think from a purest standpoint, if you if you can,

558
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: you know, throw your air pods on at the gym

559
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: instead of while your practice, especially you're chipping and putting,

560
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: it's a huge deal.

561
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird when silence happens in modern society. You're going, wait,

562
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: this is so weird. These are birds chirping. I don't

563
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: know what the hell's going on, but I guess I'll

564
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: be into exactly how much tour feedback have helped you

565
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: guys with different types of models with your ping putters.

566
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, our tour feedback's been huge, Shane, And I think

567
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: I mean it started with our founder Carson going back

568
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: again kind of spending so much time with our tour players.

569
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: And now fast forward to the p and we have

570
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: our master putter designer, Tony Serrano, who leads our designs

571
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: that we do with our tour players, and we've we've

572
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: we've really catered through the PLD program and then the

573
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: ones that have been super successful, super popular with both

574
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: our tour players and PLD, we bring them into our

575
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: mainline putters. I think a couple of good examples we

576
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: launched the Tyne model which is our kind of fork

577
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: style archetype model. And we're working with Cameron Champ and

578
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: he he really got particular, is like, hey, man, I

579
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: love this model, but I'd like to see it smaller

580
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: in size, shrunk down. He wanted a center shaft version.

581
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: Then he kind of was working on some changes in

582
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: stroke mechanics. He wanted a you know, a heel shafted version.

583
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: So that time four was a really good one. We

584
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: work with Cameron champon the OSLO and the PLD family.

585
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: We work with Trell Hatton on very particular. We spent

586
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: some time with him talking about how particular he was

587
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: with his putter designs.

588
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean Victor in the DS.

589
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: We literally designed that putter with Victor Hoblin, and that's

590
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: a putter anybody can go out and get both in

591
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: our PLD family and our main line line putter models.

592
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: And it's been fun to work all those little levels

593
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: of nuance into the models, Shane. Another one that you

594
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: said a good analogy for yourself was Tony f Now

595
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: he came in, he's like, man, he used an answer

596
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: putter answer style putter for a long time. He's like, man,

597
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: I just don't want to go all the way to

598
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: a mid mallet. So we developed the answer two D

599
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 2: literally for Tony fe Now, and that's a putter's been

600
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: super popular, kind of that big style answer model, which

601
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: doesn't you don't have to go all the way to

602
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: a mid mallet putter, right, So it's it's it's a

603
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: tweener model. And that's exactly what what Tony was looking for.

604
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: And we developed out putter for Marty.

605
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: Why certain people use center shafted versus other types of

606
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: shaft insertion levels on putters, Like what's the difference in

607
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: what fits what type player?

608
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you have more face rotation again kind

609
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: of measured on iping, if you rotate the putter more

610
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: torque it more, you will generally do better with a

611
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: more face balanced putter. So that could be a center

612
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: shafted or it could be one with a long neck

613
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: on it where it hangs face balanced, or it could

614
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: be one with a double bend or what have you

615
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: that hangs more face balanced. Now, there are some exemptions

616
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: to that, Shane. You can let's say you're a golfer

617
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: that doesn't rotate the face a lot, but you tend

618
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 2: to pull your putts. Then we see this really strong

619
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: measurement and a lot of our testing we've done that

620
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: if you pull your putts and you go to a

621
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: pudder with more toe hang, it will deliver the face

622
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: more open. So again that was the metric I missed

623
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: on iping, Shane is delivered face angle. You can measure

624
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: your delivered face angle. That was the fifth metric I

625
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: missed there. And if you if we if we're saying, okay,

626
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: you don't rotate the pudder face a lot, but you

627
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: pull your putts, we can measure that. On iping, we

628
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: can put you into a more tow down putter to

629
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: bias that delivered face angle. So that's a really big deal.

630
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: And then we can also use offset a little bit.

631
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: How much offset you have on the putter that we've

632
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: seen a correlation there more offset, generally speaking, there's always

633
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: exceptions in putter, so you got to kind of always

634
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: put this caveat on it. But generally speaking, more offset

635
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: the player will aim the putter a little bit more

636
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: left at address and deliver more dynamic loft. So if

637
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: you tend to not deliver enough loft on your putter,

638
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: not only can we change the actual static loft, we

639
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: can also use the offset on the shaft and pick

640
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: a right model to kind of tune in your aim

641
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: and your delivered face angle.

642
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: What goes into new Putter designs Because it feels like,

643
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I've felt like this for a

644
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: long time. Oh, I'm sure they've checked all the boxers.

645
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: There's no way they can come out with a new

646
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Speaker 1: Putter model. And I mean I think the DOC was

647
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: one that was just completely crazy. I mean there's been

648
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: so many iterations of new age Putter designs where all

649
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's something that we didn't know existed.

650
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: What goes into introducing a new a completely new model

651
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: to kind of the ping off the ping line when

652
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 1: it feels like we've seen so many come through over

653
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: the last you know, seventy eighty years.

654
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like, Okay, you want to kind

655
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: of have these kind of fundamental principles or a box

656
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: that you play with in like, Okay, we know we

657
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: need to have different stroke types, we know we need

658
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: to have different headweights. Then you want to give yourself

659
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: permission to have creative solutions. There might be a little

660
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: bit outside the box. Jane, I think a great example

661
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: of one of my personal favorite stories over the last

662
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: like five years was we had Anlin Solheim, who's John

663
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: Solheim's brother. He had the idea of, hey, we should

664
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: design a putter because he goes and plays a lot

665
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: of scrambles, fun events, what have you. He's the aging

666
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: golfer in great shape. But it's like, hey, we should

667
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: have a putter for the older golfer or you name it,

668
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: any golfer that can pick the ball up off the green.

669
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: And then he was like, hey, what if we had it,

670
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: you could actually get the ball out of the hole.

671
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: So we were like, you know, it's one of those

672
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: things where you know, some people like laugh at you

673
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: the idea, Oh, let's design a putter. It gets the

674
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: ball out of the whole. Well, sure enough, Shaye, we

675
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: did it. We named it and we branded it the

676
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: Fetch because that's exactly what does. It fetches the ball

677
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: out of the hole. But turns out we had this

678
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: surprising result that was our number one selling putter in

679
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: that putter family for like six months to Fetch because

680
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: it solved a real problem a golfer. Right, it sounds

681
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: like a gimmick, but solves a real problem. You know,

682
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: so many people have those little things that you puck. Yes,

683
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: ex absolutely, but the fetch, we have a ball alignment

684
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 2: feature and actually the putter being small help players focus

685
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: and we had one of our top players on the

686
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: LPGA Tour use that putter for a long time. Then

687
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: my favorite story with the fetch was Lee Westwood use

688
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: down the Deep World Tour. He's winning a big, big

689
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: event in Abu Dhabi and I actually sent him a

690
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: message because he was leading. I was like, hey, Lee,

691
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: it would be epic if you if you pluck that

692
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: ball out of the hole on the green on the

693
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: last the eighteenth.

694
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, look this up.

695
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: Go to YouTube. Look it up.

696
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: Lee Westwood literally did it.

697
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: He hold out his last putt, won the tournament from

698
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: He putted it in from like a foot, put his

699
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: fetch down in the cup, raised his hands and we

700
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: still have that picture over here just outside the hall

701
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: here at the proving grounds.

702
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: He's doing he's doing a commercial for you guys. It's

703
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: like we don't even have to hire any actors. We're

704
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: dialed on it. That was my dream.

705
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he designed the fetch. A tour player wins with

706
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: it and plucks out their winning putt.

707
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Speaker 1: Marty you mentioned earlier you know, everybody's handicaps at the

708
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: Ping campus. There's a lot of people that work there.

709
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: Is there shifting and kind of acknowledgment for who has

710
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: the best handicap? And does that move a lot? I mean,

711
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: is there? Is it a competitive top three? Oh? Man,

712
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: it's good.

713
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: Well, we're recording it this week During the US Senior Open.

714
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 2: We got will Yana Gasawa O our rep who works

715
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: at the tour apartment, playing and he qualified.

716
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: He's the leader again.

717
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: Last year, exactly last year we had a field rep,

718
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: Rick Bell playing in the US Senior Open. One of

719
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: our our sales reps in the Northeast, Shannon Johnson, won

720
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: the US Women's mid Am like four years ago. So Shade,

721
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: I tell you what, man, it is very competitive and

722
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: it does move around.

723
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I just want to know how many pluses there are?

724
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: Is it?

725
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you'll have to get the number at some point.

726
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: I can only imagine it is going to be a high,

727
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: high number. It's like going to a whisper rock and

728
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: you go, these are literally all the people that are pluses.

729
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: This is so wild, you know. I mean the putting

730
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: thing is is so cool because what I again, I've

731
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: gone back to this a lot as we've chatted. But

732
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: what I find so fascinating is finding solutions for problems

733
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: that golfers probably don't even realize exist exactly. And I

734
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: feel like with the I PING and with the continued

735
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: push for simplifying the technology, technology is advancing by the second,

736
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: it feels like in our society, and simplifying that whole

737
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: process so everybody can understand it. I mean again, going

738
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: back to a leader board and a number and a

739
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: putting handicap, all of this stuff is something that you

740
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: can actually look at. It's quantifiable, and I feel like

741
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 1: with PING, you guys do an excellent job at trying

742
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: to quantify all of the science in the months and

743
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: the years that go into certain projects so that everybody

744
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: can understand it, because golf can be very complicated, and

745
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: these things aren't complicated to somebody that's coming into the lab.

746
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree, Shane, And but I want to stress

747
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: this point again that we're not ignoring the intuition that

748
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: you have to fall in love with the right right.

749
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: Putting is really like the art and science. I mean,

750
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: I think an analogy would be, like you see some

751
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: of the golf purist be like, oh, green readings and art.

752
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: You know, everything breaks towards this, and then you got

753
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: like all the players out there crediting their latest on

754
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: a learning game point right science based thing. These ame

755
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: pointers aren't ignoring their intuition, they're just adding to that,

756
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: and so we want to do the same thing. On

757
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: putter fitting. We're not ignoring that you need to fall

758
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: in love with your putter, and there's those aspects, but

759
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: we do want to bring in the right amount of

760
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: fitting in science and again marry those two things together.

761
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: That's what I'm so excited about on both our pod

762
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: program have an iping out there to help our fitters.

763
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: Hopefully the conversations like this will help the every day golfer.

764
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 2: If you do nothing else, get on iping, get on blast,

765
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: get on something that can measure your face rotation and

766
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: know what that is and have that in mind when

767
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: you go pick how much towdown there is in your

768
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: putter if you do nothing else. That's the basic, most basic,

769
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: fundamental takeaway, Marty.

770
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: What do you say to people that are the change

771
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: the putter once a month or they have the six

772
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: putters in the closet and when one's not acting rights,

773
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: it's immediately to a new one. What do you say

774
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: to this, I mean, are you in this camp or like, like,

775
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: what do you say to people that are always kind

776
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: of switching the putter depending on how they're rolling it?

777
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: Do you, Shane?

778
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: Do you know Debbie Cruz here who is like a

779
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: researcher here it is to you. So she actually did

780
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: a study on that that that indicated that it is

781
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: actually helpful to switch putter models often. Oh no, there

782
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: is a little bit of science out there. There is

783
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: a little bit of science.

784
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: I would have liked to I would have liked to

785
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: dive into that study and see who they who she

786
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: talked to and and how do you get the data there?

787
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: Are you a say putter all the time guy? Or

788
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: do you change a decent amount?

789
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: I think I would be like, And again I go

790
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: to the fact, I love having these conversations running with

791
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: with our tour staff because we're asking them, We're asking

792
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: them that same question. I think I'm kind of the same.

793
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: Like I love the catch model. We we've we've diagnosed

794
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: and put players into kind of four different alignment types

795
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: of putters, and I'm definitely the one that likes a

796
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: long continuous aligne from the back of the putter to

797
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: the front. And we've done some really cool research where

798
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: we where where we have golfers where I tracking goggles.

799
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: This is the fun, This is the coolest thing, Shane.

800
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: We track where golfers, pupils are looking and they can't

801
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: tell you where they're looking. We see people looking at

802
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: their left toe, their knee, the the labels on the shaft.

803
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: That's why we don't put labels on the shaft. It

804
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: was distracting. The eye of the player goes. This goes

805
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: into some things that have done out of free throw

806
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: shooters that are really good. They've done this with Steph Curry.

807
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: He has the quietest eye when he shoots. So in

808
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: putting we've seen that same thing. So we want to

809
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: have putters that induce quiet eye. Like we don't want

810
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: to have a lot of distracting things. But if you're

811
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 2: a player like me, going back to my favorite model,

812
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: I look at the very back of that line, the

813
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: very front of the line, and I use that to

814
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: aim my putter. That's why I've always used that that

815
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: putter model. I've stuck to it. Unless it's misbehaving, then

816
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: I'll take it out. But then I'll go always go

817
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: back to that catch model.

818
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: And you fall back in love with the one that

819
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: you really know you want to use. That's like the

820
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: tournament tournament mode. I've always, always, I love the customization

821
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: program with PLD as well. You know, are you align

822
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: on top or you align kind of on the base

823
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: of the putter? Do you want no lines at all?

824
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: Is it dot? I mean you guys do different color ways. Yes.

825
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: With PLD. I mean again this goes back to more

826
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: what you want to look at and what you do

827
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: you want to present is just something cool, But the

828
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: customization options are relatively endless as well.

829
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that PLD has been great in that regard, and

830
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: we see how many different alignment types that are tour

831
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: tour players use. And again it's fun to be able

832
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: to pass that along to anybody participating in that pod

833
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: program to and again we marry not only what you

834
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: think you want, we bring in our scientific research to

835
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: help you make that good decision. And that's kind of

836
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: the sweet spot of that PLD custom program.

837
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to post my putter on Instagram when this

838
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: episode drops, just so you can see some of the

839
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: customization options. I've got a little like an equation if

840
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: you will, on the base of my PLD putter that

841
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: has kind of my family involved in it. But again,

842
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: little things you can do that you know, make it yours.

843
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: And again I think that's if we've seen anything with

844
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: golf over the last few years, it's it's cool personal

845
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: stuff plays and that's head covers that you want, you know,

846
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: that are that are yours at your clubs. There's so

847
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: many brands out there that are doing such amazing stuff

848
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: in that world. It's towels, you know, from your home

849
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: club or from your local golf tournament that you want

850
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: on the bag. It's not the you know, the clip

851
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: the towel on your bag now and obviously it's gone

852
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: into the golf clubs as well, and I think the

853
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: putter is probably the best place to present that in

854
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: the bag outside of maybe your wedge stampings. Is having

855
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: that putter kind of tell your own story.

856
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it just goes to show shade that

857
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: like putting is such like it's such an emotional thing.

858
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 2: You know.

859
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: Yes, going back to what we've started the conversation with, you.

860
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: Need some good vibes, you know what. You know what

861
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, and I think another fun thing on the

862
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Speaker 2: PLD Shane is that it was the number one putter

863
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: model the NCAA Men's National Championship over here at Greyhawk

864
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: this year. And you should see just like yours. You

865
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: should see all the customization we did for our college

866
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: players on those putters, which is super sweet, you know,

867
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Speaker 2: especially their different team colors and everything like that. But

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00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: such an awesome program, and yeah, throw yours out there.

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Speaker 1: I will post that on Instagram. Already, great chat, I

870
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: find I find this stuff incredibly fascinating. And the listener,

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00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: do you talk about it, because you obviously have seen

872
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: so much of this from iteration to now being available

873
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: to the public, to now being available to get shipped

874
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: at your home and do it yourself. It's so cool

875
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: to find the solutions for issues in the golf game

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00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: because there are more issues out there than even golfers

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00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: realize exist. Yeah, and I mean you know what again,

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00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: going back to what I said to you, is there

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00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: are things you guys are working on to even improve

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00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: and perfect everything you've already tried to solve. And I

881
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: find that so fascinating. So appreciate the time as always.

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00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: Now I might go practice putting with no headphones outside

883
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: in the backyard exactly. Uh, and hopefully the putter behaves, Marty.

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00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: It behaved this week. It was nice to see putts

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Speaker 1: go in. I heard that there's there's nothing better than

886
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: twelve footers to save par. I think that's my favorite

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00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: golf shot in the sport is when you make the

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00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: relatively mid linked putt to save par and keep the

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00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: round going. Uh, that will keep the Dauber up. I'll

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Speaker 1: say that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Shane, give a little give it. Don't be shy man.

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Speaker 1: What'd you shoot your what'd you shooting in your last terment? Yeah?

893
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: Played in the ike. It's one of the met majors

894
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: out here. Shot a seventy one, seventy one and closed

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Speaker 1: with sixty six and drove it. Dude. Oh man, I

896
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: hit the driver so good, Marty. I mean, it's so

897
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: fun when you're driving it well and you're making putts.

898
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: It's like the perfect recipe. And yeah, the ping that's

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00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: by the way, that's my first tournament with my new

900
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Speaker 1: ping clubs in the bag. So like, you know, that's right.

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00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: I'd had the driver, I had the three wood, but

902
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: like new Irons, i'd had the crossover and there before

903
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: but my new irons, my new wedges, and my new putter.

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Speaker 1: Like a full tournament, you know, three day tournament. That

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Speaker 1: was my first one and I top ten, died and

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00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: uh it was fun. My dad was out here and

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00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: he was watching, So it's fun. We don't get to

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00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: celebrate golf much. It's fun when you get to celebrate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, low rounded the day, I mean you show the

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00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: low round the day in any tournament against anybody, but

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Speaker 2: especially that one, Shane, that's legit.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Thank you so much, Marty.

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Speaker 1: This is the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: next week