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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, October thirteen, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number forty. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break,
Speaker 1: live from the s WBC Morgan Studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: Got Nave, Dave and Nick with me. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: joined by Bucky Brooks here in a bit. Talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the New England Patriots offense versus the
Speaker 1: Dallas Dve Vince. Before we do that, though, there a
Speaker 1: couple news and notes that we want to hit. Let's
Speaker 1: start first with injuries. What are we keeping an eye
Speaker 1: on this week? Dave, you just came from the coaches
Speaker 1: press conference. Who are the guys we're kind of monitoring
Speaker 1: this week? We're keeping an eye on guys coming back?
Speaker 1: Derek Oh, who's coming back? Well? Coming back might be premature,
Speaker 1: but they're starting, they're starting their journey back. Calvin Joseph
Speaker 1: is going to be limited in practice today. Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: is another one. Let's go. I'm blanking on the third.
Speaker 1: There was a Sean mccun thank you. You see you
Speaker 1: know it's on the internet. You've got an internet connection order.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like making sure my reports are right. I
Speaker 1: knew there was a third guy. It's Sean mckun. So
Speaker 1: those three will be limited in practice. Um, he can't practice,
Speaker 1: but we know it sounds I think the lyall Colin
Speaker 1: saga's finally over and so he's not going to be
Speaker 1: available this week, but he'll be available next week. So
Speaker 1: that's four guys that at least have a chance to
Speaker 1: be available for you after the bye week, which is exciting.
Speaker 1: Gets back. I wonder about that too. Um, I do
Speaker 1: know McCarthy told me. I asked him about that last
Speaker 1: week and he said he thought it would be a
Speaker 1: stretch that he'd be ready for New England. Um, obvious,
Speaker 1: so obviously not going to happen. I get probably maybe
Speaker 1: something to watch when we get back from the bow.
Speaker 1: So to get those guys back, McEwen, Joseph, they don't
Speaker 1: have to be on the roster right now. Yeah, they could.
Speaker 1: You have a three week a three week exemption for
Speaker 1: them to get acclimated, so you don't have to do
Speaker 1: anything right now. Um, and Gallimore is not in that group,
Speaker 1: I guess. Stephen Jones said last week that Gallimore and
Speaker 1: DeMarcus were still another month away, which I know kind
Speaker 1: of rubbed some people the wrong way with Gallimore because
Speaker 1: it was it was diagnosed as an eight week injury
Speaker 1: on August fourteenth. It's been about eight weeks, so he
Speaker 1: needs a little bit longer that Mike McCarthy said, it's
Speaker 1: not a setback, just maybe they were a little optimistic
Speaker 1: with their timeline. But um, good part is that you
Speaker 1: don't feel like you got I was gonna say that
Speaker 1: any of these guys you don't find Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we gotta get this guy back right right. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean he was playing pretty well. I mean, but again,
Speaker 1: if you don't have your elbow strength to do what
Speaker 1: you need to do as a defensive tackle, that you're
Speaker 1: not going to be as effective. Yeah. I think the
Speaker 1: way I look at this is, and I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think when he comes back, he's gonna give them
Speaker 1: a boost. Obviously, Tank gives him a boost, some of
Speaker 1: these other guys will give them a boost. The way
Speaker 1: I look at it, though, is if those guys are
Speaker 1: healthy and fresh in November, that's a good thing for
Speaker 1: this team because, like as you guys, you guys both
Speaker 1: mentioned this earlier this week, like there are more injuries
Speaker 1: that are coming because that's the nature of football, right,
Speaker 1: So if other guys are going out and those guys
Speaker 1: are coming in, or if those guys or if there
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of other injuries and those guys are
Speaker 1: coming back and they provide depth or or jumping in
Speaker 1: and playing in rotations and they're fresh, like, that's a
Speaker 1: great thing to have in November and December of an
Speaker 1: NFL season. Yeah. Yeah, I want to see Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: I do. I mean, I want him to get in
Speaker 1: there and play and figure they need to figure out
Speaker 1: how to do that. I just feel like the way
Speaker 1: this offense is, they're gonna score some points, you're gonna
Speaker 1: give up some plays with him, but he needs to
Speaker 1: get in there and at some point this year, and
Speaker 1: I think it'll happen, Like you said, nature of injuries
Speaker 1: and all that, I think at some point he needs
Speaker 1: to get to the offseason. They need to have a
Speaker 1: good understanding of the type of player that he is,
Speaker 1: because if you, I mean, they'll want to get too
Speaker 1: much into weeds. For no, let's talk draft, Let's go next.
Speaker 1: You do because they were like, they gotta have a corner.
Speaker 1: I gotta have a corner and didn't work out, took
Speaker 1: a linebacker. I think that they're so happy that they
Speaker 1: did that. They took corners in second round, talking corner
Speaker 1: all over again. Right, let's do it well, and I
Speaker 1: find you know, you'll be picking. They're gonna be picking
Speaker 1: in the twenties. Okay, they'll be picking back there that
Speaker 1: this is a good football team. They'll be They'll be
Speaker 1: picking back there, you know, And do you go that
Speaker 1: route again? You just need to know. You need to
Speaker 1: have an idea of what Joseph is. So I think
Speaker 1: at some point you gotta figure out ways to play him.
Speaker 1: I love that point, although I agree with you. But
Speaker 1: even if I mean, if they don't have an idea
Speaker 1: of what he is, it's not gonna I mean, if
Speaker 1: if the cornerback's there for you in the draft, do it.
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's true Anthony Brown, that's true. He's
Speaker 1: only on a three year deal. Jordan's only on a
Speaker 1: three year deal. Just just throw throw resources at the
Speaker 1: problem until it's fixed. But that's yeah, we can do.
Speaker 1: Somebody Somebody damned me the other day was like, when
Speaker 1: is the Draft show coming back? I was like, we're
Speaker 1: a four game winning streak man, who it's the season?
Speaker 1: Who wants to talk draft right now? That's for bad teams?
Speaker 1: We did. God, we were getting those tweets in September
Speaker 1: last year and then we're staying in December. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: me and Nick were actually just having this conversation yesterday. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're still on this show untill at
Speaker 1: the earliest, maybe late enuite. I don't want to, don't
Speaker 1: We got we got something else to talk about, right,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk draft until after Valentine's Day, preferably.
Speaker 1: Let's go It's take some time. Let's go Hey real quick.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to ask you this question, Nick, You're
Speaker 1: not talked a little bit about this morning. This earlier
Speaker 1: this morning off Mike McCarthy and I heard that there
Speaker 1: was a question. There was a question during the press
Speaker 1: conference about Kellen Moore saying that one of Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 1: shrinks is his ability to stay even good bad times.
Speaker 1: He's an even steady leader, which I think is a
Speaker 1: great characteristic for a leader to have. One of the
Speaker 1: things I wanted to ask you guys about is do
Speaker 1: you think right now not enough credit is being given
Speaker 1: to Mike McCarthy for where his team is because I
Speaker 1: think we talk a lot. We do it as well,
Speaker 1: but I think just nationally locally, everyone talks a lot
Speaker 1: about the offensive coordinator, the defensive coordinator and how well
Speaker 1: they are doing, how well the players are doing there
Speaker 1: four and one, they're in a four game win streak,
Speaker 1: But rarely do we hear people talk about Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: and what he contributes to that. And I'm a personal
Speaker 1: believer that if a head coach has a team that's
Speaker 1: four and one, he has some should receive some credit.
Speaker 1: How much? And do you think he's being overlooked? I
Speaker 1: do think yeah, I think that he's being overlooked for that.
Speaker 1: I think he deserves a more credit. But you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's just kind of the way that it's evolved here.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying with all coaches I don't know
Speaker 1: if it has something to do with personality or what.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. It's just that, you know,
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's the fun guy, whereas the camera and everyone
Speaker 1: love loves, you know, listen to him. Kellen, I mean
Speaker 1: it's different than that, but I mean Kellen is just
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's kind of the offense is rolling
Speaker 1: right now. And because those guys have kind of doing
Speaker 1: their thing, I think it's easy to say, well, what
Speaker 1: is McCarthy doing, you know, other than kind of over
Speaker 1: seeing all of it. But um, you know, he gets
Speaker 1: blamed for clock management, but nothing has nothing has hurt
Speaker 1: him at this point. Um this year, last year sort
Speaker 1: of did. But so yeah, I do think that he's
Speaker 1: he's not getting the credit that that he deserves, and
Speaker 1: I don't know when that'll happen. I don't know how
Speaker 1: many games they have to win to do that. Well.
Speaker 1: I think I think you're right, and it's only natural.
Speaker 1: I think people tie your worth to what they can
Speaker 1: see you doing for the window of time that you're
Speaker 1: visible to them, and to most people, the vast majority,
Speaker 1: even really especially in COVID times, even us, how much
Speaker 1: do we see McCarthy in person outside of like the
Speaker 1: press conferences and game day, you know, it's not the same.
Speaker 1: And so Sean Payton is my go to because I
Speaker 1: grew up following that team, and he gets so and
Speaker 1: rightfully so he gets so much credit. He calls the plays,
Speaker 1: he's doing this, that and the other, and so it's
Speaker 1: easy to be like, this is what he does for
Speaker 1: you on game day. But there's credit to be given
Speaker 1: for just overseeing everything great. You do not know I'm
Speaker 1: talking to Derek for people that aren't watching this. You
Speaker 1: do not know what is going on as intricately on
Speaker 1: a day to day basis as like Nick and I
Speaker 1: do you trust us to do that? That's our jobs, right,
Speaker 1: But you still get credit for what are what we
Speaker 1: do as a department and the ideas that we have.
Speaker 1: And you go up to people higher than you and
Speaker 1: they say how's that going. You're like, it's going pretty good,
Speaker 1: Like my guy's got it, and you I mean, that's
Speaker 1: how this all works. I just think it's it's easier
Speaker 1: to give people credit for what you can see during
Speaker 1: a game. And I'll openly say it, I don't know
Speaker 1: what all Mike McCarthy does that gives you an edge
Speaker 1: on game day, except for maybe his decision making, which
Speaker 1: is sometimes suspect. But I do appreciate the aggressive nature
Speaker 1: of it. But absolutely Monday to Saturday, I definitely it
Speaker 1: feels like he's got this calming presence and I think
Speaker 1: it deserves credit for that, even though we don't really
Speaker 1: get to see a lot of it. I've never thought
Speaker 1: about this before, but why do you think that there's
Speaker 1: a coach out there who had a team for a
Speaker 1: long time, had a Hall of Fame quarterback, they won
Speaker 1: one super Bowl together in a long time. Why do
Speaker 1: you think that Sean Payton is viewed the way he
Speaker 1: is and Mike McCarthy is viewed the way he is
Speaker 1: when they the resumes are kind of similar in those
Speaker 1: regards about winning championship and the the m O. The
Speaker 1: rap sheet on McCarthy coming out of Green Bay is
Speaker 1: that they squandered Rogers like they should have won more
Speaker 1: than one super Bowl, but which is so crazy. They
Speaker 1: won one, but they Brady ruined if for every No,
Speaker 1: but that's nobody really thinks that about Peyton, and the
Speaker 1: resume is very very similar. Yeah, I don't have an
Speaker 1: answer to that. Perception is a hell of a thing.
Speaker 1: I will say this, I do. I do remember reading
Speaker 1: that there were people in Green Bay who followed that
Speaker 1: team that felt like some of the same things that
Speaker 1: we've talked about here with regards to game management were
Speaker 1: issues there. So that could also be part of it,
Speaker 1: where they felt like decisions that were being made in
Speaker 1: game actually affected their ability to win more championships, and
Speaker 1: they put that on Mike McCarthy, right, fair or not
Speaker 1: that that maybe a perception. Yeah, And I just I
Speaker 1: think you said it best about. You know, sometimes when
Speaker 1: you you're doing your job and you're saying, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you do your thing. I'm not gonna micromanage you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the hell out of the way and
Speaker 1: let you do your job. And then it's like, if
Speaker 1: the people like you, then they'll say, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: good job. Wait wait, way to not step on anyone's toes.
Speaker 1: But if they don't, they're like, what did you do?
Speaker 1: You didn't really do anything, you know, And that's that's
Speaker 1: the way it is. I mean, you know, it's what
Speaker 1: we talked about. He comes in here and he says,
Speaker 1: what's what what I what I got? I got this
Speaker 1: young offensive coordinator who works well with the quarterback. We
Speaker 1: got something going here. Okay, Well, even though I know
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and I know offenses, I ain't really gonna mess
Speaker 1: this up. I'm gonna hire this guy that I know
Speaker 1: to be my defensive coordinator. We're gonna have to go
Speaker 1: through COVID together and he can do it. Well, they didn't.
Speaker 1: It sucked and he had to fire him. He didn't
Speaker 1: want it, but he had to because it was so bad. Well,
Speaker 1: go get another guy. I got another guy that that
Speaker 1: wants to come here. And this guy knows what he's
Speaker 1: talking about, and I'm gonna let him do his thing.
Speaker 1: So I think he should get some credit here, um
Speaker 1: a little bit more than he and I think if
Speaker 1: they win, I think they'll continue to come. I'll give
Speaker 1: him all the credit in the world. I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: no way you accomplish what Mike McCarthy's accomplished without having
Speaker 1: a bit of an ego about it, and so much
Speaker 1: in the NFL's driven by ego. I haven't seen it like.
Speaker 1: He doesn't come across that way. He let he's letting
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore call the shots on offense and being very
Speaker 1: open about it and very complimentary of what a good
Speaker 1: job he's doing. Fired a guy that he had a
Speaker 1: history with in Mike Nolan. I mean, how how I
Speaker 1: don't like you pointing at me and said fire. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you said fired. Nobody likes that, likes it.
Speaker 1: But how how easy is it to imagine? I can
Speaker 1: picture it in my head. Mike and Carthy's like, well, this,
Speaker 1: that and the other reasons or why we were bad.
Speaker 1: It's not Mike Nolan and we're just gonna stay the
Speaker 1: course and it'll be better next year. That is such
Speaker 1: an NFL thing. Yeah, and he didn't do it. He
Speaker 1: was like, Nope, you gotta go, and I'm gonna hire
Speaker 1: this guy who comes highly recommended, who I don't have
Speaker 1: as much of a relationship with. Um. I could probably
Speaker 1: think of half a dozen other examples. Uh, he was
Speaker 1: a good sport about hard knocks, even if he probably
Speaker 1: didn't love it. Yeah, I just he's done. I think
Speaker 1: he's done a remarkable job of just kind of being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: no he goes here, I'm okay. And I will also say,
Speaker 1: and I think this a lot of the credit goes
Speaker 1: to the players, but also I think a part of
Speaker 1: leadership is creating an environment where your team is willing
Speaker 1: to accept the fact that they don't have to be
Speaker 1: the ones getting the credit all the time. And we
Speaker 1: talk about this all the time, like this is an
Speaker 1: offense that's built around a number of parts that any
Speaker 1: one of them could go to another team and be
Speaker 1: the man, and they have all somehow decided for the
Speaker 1: better of the team. I'll be the man once every
Speaker 1: four games, or once every three games, or once every
Speaker 1: six games, because at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: want team success. That's about leadership, and that's about leadership
Speaker 1: that starts with the head coach and then filters down
Speaker 1: to the team. Well, let's also just remember this and
Speaker 1: I hope hopefully it doesn't happen soon or at all,
Speaker 1: but it probably will. They're gonna lose a game, somebody.
Speaker 1: When they lose a game, someone's gonna have two catches
Speaker 1: for nineteen yards or something. Somebody. You know, maybe Zeke
Speaker 1: didn't have a big game, or Pollard didn't have a
Speaker 1: big game. You know, let's see what happens. Then. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying the bottom will drop off when that happens.
Speaker 1: I just I just when it's four. You know, when
Speaker 1: you're four and one, and you know you've won four straight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything's rosy. Well, we we've already kind of seen it.
Speaker 1: Week one, they didn't run the ball, Zeke didn't do much,
Speaker 1: and then in week two you saw Pollard like going crazy.
Speaker 1: So there were moments when Zeke could have been like, say, man,
Speaker 1: what's going on with me? And I don't think that happened.
Speaker 1: And I also think this fast start could wind up
Speaker 1: being a great thing because a rough patch is coming
Speaker 1: right eventually. Yeah, but the fact that you've been able
Speaker 1: to stack four wins like this at the start of
Speaker 1: the season, you can point back to that later and
Speaker 1: say like, we're okay, we got this. It might not
Speaker 1: have been clicking these last two weeks because there's a
Speaker 1: couple stretches on the schedule where I'm like, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: I mean, bumpiness could be in store. But at least
Speaker 1: you have the good times that you can kind of
Speaker 1: fall back. This is one of them. I think this
Speaker 1: is one of those games where it's like they should win.
Speaker 1: I think that they are more talented. They they're head
Speaker 1: and shoulders better. I think at quarterback, you know, I
Speaker 1: know Mac Jones is going to be good if he's
Speaker 1: not decent right now. But I think you know, you've
Speaker 1: got the advantage there. You've got talent all across the board.
Speaker 1: You should be able to win um this game. But
Speaker 1: but you're going up against one of the best. No,
Speaker 1: you're going up against the best coach in NFL history.
Speaker 1: I think can we say that? I think I would, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would think there's an argument certainly can be made.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody can just be like that stupid,
Speaker 1: right because they you know, yes, he won all those
Speaker 1: and he had Brady, and we'll see where Brady's has
Speaker 1: successful that. I mean, there are guys that have their
Speaker 1: names on the actual trophy that you like. But he's
Speaker 1: in that level of conversation like the Lombardi Do you
Speaker 1: ever think about that, like like when should we start
Speaker 1: changing that? And certain you don't change that ever, you
Speaker 1: can't change that. No, Well, okay, they'll not the Lombardi Trophy,
Speaker 1: but you know there's there's other there's other trophies and
Speaker 1: other sports. You know, the Bill Russell Award, and I mean, well,
Speaker 1: when do we ever change that? You don't, that's the history,
Speaker 1: Like the history is you keep that that person's name
Speaker 1: alive because they were so great at what they did, Right,
Speaker 1: that's the whole point of naming that trope. That's why
Speaker 1: you don't take that for grant. You're like, you always
Speaker 1: name that after somebody who is legendary, I mean legitimately legendary. Heisman. Yeah, who, No,
Speaker 1: it's the Heisman. I don't know what are you gonna
Speaker 1: call it the Bush? I mean, like what we are doing,
Speaker 1: I call that. They won't give it back to it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, right, yeah, I was thinking like that, who
Speaker 1: who would you give it to? I mean, it had
Speaker 1: to be a two time winner. I mean, if y'all
Speaker 1: want to name it the Borough, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: Let's go. It's okay with me. No complaints over there, right,
Speaker 1: I'm all right, all right, we're gonna take our first
Speaker 1: break when we come back. We got Bucky book, Bucky.
Speaker 1: We got Bucky Brooks on the line. We'll get to
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Speaker 1: on the line, ready to talk a little New England
Speaker 1: offense versus Dallas defense and Bucky Less start first with
Speaker 1: This is a team in New England that I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of Cowboys fans is pretty unknown. They
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of big names, particularly on their
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, if not including the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Who would you say is the most dangerous weapon that
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans need to know about going into this game
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball. Josh mc daniels
Speaker 1: awfensive coordinator. Because because the players are just a hodgepodge
Speaker 1: of good players, I wouldn't say great players. The team
Speaker 1: expected the offensive line to be the strength of the program,
Speaker 1: but the offensive line has not played there well. Now,
Speaker 1: I will say this, they were out of there without
Speaker 1: four starters against the Houston Texas, so you don't really
Speaker 1: know what it's going to look like due to the
Speaker 1: injuries that they've been hit with. But really it kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me of the early two thousand Patriots, where
Speaker 1: you look up and you don't really know who the
Speaker 1: personnel is, but they find a way to win games.
Speaker 1: The problem is they haven't won games like that because
Speaker 1: they shouldn't have won last Sunday. I was just gonna
Speaker 1: go to the Cowboys defense for a second. I mean,
Speaker 1: who who do you compare Trayvon Diggs too right now?
Speaker 1: Like whether it be in the league or old school corners,
Speaker 1: I mean, have you seen anybody play like this at
Speaker 1: this young into a career. He reminds me of the
Speaker 1: key to leap if you go back and look at
Speaker 1: a key to leave when he was coming out of Kansas,
Speaker 1: a key to leap at a very similar background, offensive
Speaker 1: player moved. The defense understands how to read rouse and
Speaker 1: do those things, but it has outstanding hands. I think
Speaker 1: the funny thing for me when I look at Treyvon
Speaker 1: Diggs is out around him when he was a high
Speaker 1: school wide receiver and watching him him run rouse and
Speaker 1: watching him catch passes, and then watching him flipping go
Speaker 1: on the other side. You see all of those skills
Speaker 1: translate fear from other corners when the ball is in
Speaker 1: the air because they can't figure out where the ball
Speaker 1: is going or how to judge in flight. He plays
Speaker 1: it like a wide receiver, and so he is exactly
Speaker 1: what you want to see in a conversion prospect meeting
Speaker 1: a guy who converts from wide receiver to dB. You
Speaker 1: want to see them pick up the skills of a
Speaker 1: defensive back while retaining the ball skills of a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Trayvon Dix has that, and so that has made him
Speaker 1: a very dangerous playmaker on the backside because I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody expected the game to click for him this
Speaker 1: early in his career. But you gotta give him his
Speaker 1: prost because he is playing at a high level. Hey, Bucky.
Speaker 1: Thinking back to March, the Patriots gave a lot of
Speaker 1: money to Hunter Henry and John hu Smith, and the
Speaker 1: talking point was kind of, oh, they're going back to
Speaker 1: a decade ago when they add Hernandez and Gronk together
Speaker 1: and they were kind of revolutionizing passing out of twelve
Speaker 1: personnel and being able to do this, that and the
Speaker 1: other with these tight ends. I don't get the impression
Speaker 1: from the little I know about the Patriots that it's
Speaker 1: really working that well. So far, am I mistaken about that?
Speaker 1: Or are these what do these guys look like in
Speaker 1: this offense? Well? I mean it's still a team in transition.
Speaker 1: I will say this about the Patriots. The Patriots do
Speaker 1: this better than anybody else in the league, and they've
Speaker 1: always done it. The way they start a season isn't
Speaker 1: necessarily the way they end the season in terms of
Speaker 1: the way they gain planning and the way they kind
Speaker 1: of build their team and build how they go about
Speaker 1: their approach each week, and so the first part of
Speaker 1: the season for them is really much like the preseason.
Speaker 1: Who are the players, who are the guys that we
Speaker 1: can lean on? And then once they figure out their
Speaker 1: best course of action. They didn't build a plan early
Speaker 1: in the year. Jonathan Smith and Hunter Henry have not
Speaker 1: been contributors. Some of that is on the quarterback. Some
Speaker 1: of that is just the way the game is played out,
Speaker 1: but those guys have not been as big as we expected,
Speaker 1: a bigger part of the team as we expected in
Speaker 1: the preseason. But they can line up in twelve personnel,
Speaker 1: one back, two tight ends, to wide receivers and become
Speaker 1: difference makers. You just never know, because this is a
Speaker 1: team that they're gay plans at night, snowflakes. They never
Speaker 1: look the same on a week to week basis, So
Speaker 1: this could be the week that we see more twelve
Speaker 1: personnel and watch those two guys go off. Hey, Bucky.
Speaker 1: As I was doing some study on this new England
Speaker 1: Patriot offense, I noticed something really interesting. They actually throw
Speaker 1: the ball a lot relative to the rest of the
Speaker 1: league their eighth right now in passing attempts. They also
Speaker 1: run the ball as little as like one of the
Speaker 1: lower teams in the league. They're twenty eighth in rushing attempts.
Speaker 1: Is this a situation where this is happening because as
Speaker 1: strategic decision for them, or is this just the nature
Speaker 1: of the games that they've been in and they've just
Speaker 1: been in situations where they've had to pass a lot
Speaker 1: more than they've run. The struggles of the offense a
Speaker 1: line for them from playing the way they wanted to play.
Speaker 1: They would like to get in twenty one personnel. They
Speaker 1: kind of run it and pound it and grind it out.
Speaker 1: They haven't been able to do it. And so when
Speaker 1: you watch the Patriots, the Patriots kind of operate like
Speaker 1: a service academy when it comes to their approach. They're
Speaker 1: what we call a sequential play calling team. So they
Speaker 1: started the game out and if something doesn't work, then
Speaker 1: they'll go Hey, let's spread it out. Let's go empty,
Speaker 1: let's go quick dinking up game. If we can't get that,
Speaker 1: let's go to the screen game. If we can't get that,
Speaker 1: let's go to the tricks and gadgets to try and
Speaker 1: create an explosive play. And so as you're watching them,
Speaker 1: you will see them just kind of go down this
Speaker 1: checklist if they're getting stopped early, and whatever they hit
Speaker 1: on they tend to stay in. And so they haven't
Speaker 1: been able to successfully maintain an identity because they just
Speaker 1: haven't had those successful drives down after down, week after
Speaker 1: week after week. And so that's why they're a bit
Speaker 1: of a hodgepode On offense right now. When I look
Speaker 1: at the quarterbacks Alabama that they've had, you know, especially
Speaker 1: under Sabin, most of them haven't had a ton of success.
Speaker 1: I guess this jury still out on tour and all that.
Speaker 1: But but what did you like or what did you
Speaker 1: how did you evaluate Mac Jones. He's got all the
Speaker 1: talent around him. What did you see from him when
Speaker 1: he was coming out? Were you a big fan of his?
Speaker 1: In this quarterback class of Avengers right super heroes, I
Speaker 1: call Mac Jones iron Man because Mac jones superpower is
Speaker 1: nothing innate that he has. It's all the suit, it's
Speaker 1: all everything that is around him. It is the supporting cast,
Speaker 1: it is the coaching staff, it's the plan. And what
Speaker 1: he does is he distributes the ball to the open guy.
Speaker 1: But if you ask mac Jones to do it by himself,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any special talents. When you think about
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, Zack Wilson, Justin Fields, Trey Lance, they all
Speaker 1: had extraordinary individual pology, whether it was the armed talent,
Speaker 1: the letticism, something about them that allowed them to dominate
Speaker 1: the game on their own. Mac Jones doesn't have that.
Speaker 1: Now we can talk about his IQ and his ability
Speaker 1: to process, but that's not necessarily a superpower in the
Speaker 1: same light. So he was dependent upon the system and
Speaker 1: where he landed more than any other quarterback. Now he
Speaker 1: landed in a perfect system for him. But if the
Speaker 1: game ever gets out of whack where they can't protect
Speaker 1: it or they can't call it on the script, mac
Speaker 1: Jones is helpless. He doesn't have that ability to get
Speaker 1: you right. So he is a guy who needs everything
Speaker 1: around him to be right, and he can deal in
Speaker 1: dead vein, But if it becomes a sandlot football game.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones can't thrive in that environment because that's not
Speaker 1: how he's built. Along that same line, I can't help
Speaker 1: but notice, I don't think he's even averaging seven yards
Speaker 1: per attempt this season, just a lot of short stuff.
Speaker 1: I know everybody made a big deal. I don't. He
Speaker 1: was averaging five yards per attempt against the Bucks the
Speaker 1: other day. Is that is it an unwillingness to take
Speaker 1: shots that are there? I'm sure they don't want him
Speaker 1: taking a lot of risks giving his level of experience.
Speaker 1: But what does it look like on film to you?
Speaker 1: Is it like a reluctance? Can the Cowboys afford to
Speaker 1: sit on everything short? What's it looked like? It's a
Speaker 1: combination of factors. I'm not saying that if he won't
Speaker 1: push the ball down the field, I don't think he
Speaker 1: has the playmakers that will allow him to push it
Speaker 1: down the field when we line up, and the first
Speaker 1: thing that dan Quinn and the staff have to do
Speaker 1: is they got to look at, Okay, who are the threats.
Speaker 1: Who are the guys that can hurt us? They have
Speaker 1: Nelson Aguilar, they have Kendrick Bourne, they have Jacoby Myers.
Speaker 1: Then they have the two tight ends, Jonah Smith and
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry. If you privately ask the Cowboys defenders who
Speaker 1: are they scared of, none of them. And so what
Speaker 1: they have to do is they have to spread you
Speaker 1: out and see if they can catch you in zone
Speaker 1: coverage and beat you a bunch of five and six
Speaker 1: yard rouse and eventually you miss a tackle that turns
Speaker 1: to fifteen yards and they methodically dribe it down the field.
Speaker 1: But this is a team that lacks the explosive playmaking
Speaker 1: power of some of the other teams. That's why we
Speaker 1: see the double passes, the fleet flickers, the reverse throws,
Speaker 1: because the only way they can generate chunk plays is
Speaker 1: about deception and misdirection. They don't have the ability to
Speaker 1: line up and say, we're better than your guy on
Speaker 1: the outside, so we're gonna throw it over your head.
Speaker 1: And so that has made Mac Jones have to be
Speaker 1: a deacon dunk passer because of talent around him doesn't
Speaker 1: allow him to push you down the field. So, Bucky,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things that you've done this year
Speaker 1: and added to your staple of writing is the your
Speaker 1: Blue Chips article. These are the best players on the
Speaker 1: other team. Tell me who the studs are. Every week
Speaker 1: that you've done it, it's been like eight to ten guys.
Speaker 1: So do they have eight to ten guys? I mean,
Speaker 1: are you? I mean, do they have that many what
Speaker 1: you would call blue chip players. No, they don't. They don't.
Speaker 1: They don't have that many guys. So typically come from them. Oh,
Speaker 1: it might be most of their players. All the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, they have about four or five guys.
Speaker 1: But it takes eight to twelve blue chip guys to
Speaker 1: field the championship team. This is a team that is
Speaker 1: probably sitting at six maybe seven, And that's being very
Speaker 1: generous when you compare their players to the players around
Speaker 1: the league. It has always been the system. And maybe
Speaker 1: now I have to say, maybe Tom Brady didn't really
Speaker 1: elevate the team more than I gave them credit for.
Speaker 1: But right now, this is not a team that has
Speaker 1: a lot of A level players. They win because they
Speaker 1: typically a sail at the dbos don't beat ourselves penalties, turnovers,
Speaker 1: those things, explosive plays. When they don't give those things up,
Speaker 1: they put it on you to beat them. And more
Speaker 1: times than not, teams mess it up by making mistakes.
Speaker 1: Just look at the Houston game. Houston was better, but
Speaker 1: they messed it up. Not that the Patriots necessarily went
Speaker 1: out and beat them, all right, But we're gonna let
Speaker 1: you go. Man. We're gonna get back with you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about this defense, the Patriots defense versus
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. We're going to also take our final
Speaker 1: break right now. We'll come back and I have a
Speaker 1: question for these guys about Michael Parsons. Where's he best
Speaker 1: used in general and where's he best used this week
Speaker 1: at lineback or defensive end. We'll talk about that when
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Speaker 1: the Star Real quick. Before we end the show, I
Speaker 1: did want to talk a little bit about the Dallas defense.
Speaker 1: I want to zero in a little bit on Michael
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. He led the team with eight tackles this
Speaker 1: last game. He had three quarterback hits. My question for
Speaker 1: you guys, is he more impactful at defensive end or
Speaker 1: at linebacker? And I want you to think about it
Speaker 1: from Samue. There have been now a couple games where
Speaker 1: he's been primarily doing both. Where do you think he's
Speaker 1: more impactful for this team in this defense? I think
Speaker 1: there's two elements to consider. Their one. I mean, rushing
Speaker 1: the passer is more impactful. Those guys make a lot
Speaker 1: of money. That's why we said when they drafted Parsons,
Speaker 1: I wasn't that thrilled about it because I was like,
Speaker 1: he's got to have a pass rushing element if this
Speaker 1: is going to be worth this pick. And then on
Speaker 1: top of that, it's just easier to see that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's easier to see what the guys are doing chasing
Speaker 1: the quarterback out of the pocket than everything that a
Speaker 1: linebacker is bringing the table. Micah had a hell of
Speaker 1: a they wound up scoring. It was the dry It
Speaker 1: was the same as the Cocks play, but he's stuffed
Speaker 1: a goal line run. Just blew the guy up right
Speaker 1: in the hole, right there at the goal line. So
Speaker 1: it's not like he didn't make an impact. And I
Speaker 1: don't love the question to be honest with because I'm like,
Speaker 1: just let the guy play football, let him kind of
Speaker 1: feel this thing out. I'm I don't like people saying like, well,
Speaker 1: he needs to be an end full time or this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. I think I love the fact
Speaker 1: that dan Quinn is changing what he's doing with him
Speaker 1: based on the opponent. I think it's fun. I think
Speaker 1: it's good for him, and it's good for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: defense agree hundred percent. Also, you know, when when d
Speaker 1: Law comes back, you know, and Randy's playing pretty Randy's
Speaker 1: playing at a very high level right now too, just
Speaker 1: because he is pushing guys back. He's playing with strength
Speaker 1: that we didn't necessarily know he had, you know, like
Speaker 1: or you know, and he's he's a little older now,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, he's playing with leverage and strength.
Speaker 1: So those guys together, I can't wait to see those
Speaker 1: guys at the ends together. That being said, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to see Parsons play linebacker, but I also
Speaker 1: love the element of him doing his thing, So I
Speaker 1: think he's a linebacker. He once he starts even being
Speaker 1: more aware of what's happening, he will be sidelined to silent.
Speaker 1: He'll play even faster. But every now and again, he's
Speaker 1: going to line up in a spot you don't recognize.
Speaker 1: If they see a mismatch, he can whip this guard.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know what's coming, but it's gonna come on
Speaker 1: third nine. And I love that element. So I would
Speaker 1: agree with Dave. I keep him the way where he
Speaker 1: is mostly linebacker but occasional rushing the passer. I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there should be a split every week, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't always have to be fifty fifty. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: in favor of that. I would say this, and I
Speaker 1: heard somebody mentioned this yesterday, and I think it got
Speaker 1: me excited because I was like, think about it like this.
Speaker 1: Once Tanks back, you get into December, you get into
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and you get into passing downs. What if
Speaker 1: you had Micah Tank kicked down the defensive tackle, OSA
Speaker 1: and Randy all rushed in the passer. That gets me
Speaker 1: really exciting. And the reason why it gets me really
Speaker 1: excited is because I always go back to that Giant's
Speaker 1: team that went to the Super Bowl and won it
Speaker 1: and did it against some really great offenses that they
Speaker 1: took down along the way, including the Cowboys, and I
Speaker 1: think that the reason why they did that because they
Speaker 1: had a front four that could get after the quarter back,
Speaker 1: and so it allowed them to be able to basically say,
Speaker 1: we can come get your quarterback and we can apply
Speaker 1: a ton of pressure with four guys. Any defense that
Speaker 1: can do that, especially when you got guys on the
Speaker 1: back end who are ballhawks, it gives you a really
Speaker 1: great advantage defensively, and I think that would be phenomenal.
Speaker 1: And so from that's end, when that side again, I
Speaker 1: agree both you guys. I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: defensive man. I think he's gonna be a linebacker. But
Speaker 1: I love the idea on passing downs, especially when you
Speaker 1: get to Marcus back of putting them at defensive in
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you're being imagined him enough
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because that was a very
Speaker 1: straightforward four man front. We've already seen dan Quinn do
Speaker 1: some goofy stuff. You could line up on a third
Speaker 1: and eight with Osa and Gallimore at tackle, Randy it
Speaker 1: right in, tank it left in, and then just overhang
Speaker 1: Mica off of that as a stand up rush. What
Speaker 1: have you come up the gate eight? Yeah? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: because what that does is that makes your running back
Speaker 1: and your guard and all that stuff. That's what they're
Speaker 1: focused in, so you don't have to worry about dumping
Speaker 1: screens to these backs or whatever. They're gonna have to
Speaker 1: worry about that part him right up the minute. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we've seen it. I loved it though
Speaker 1: before when Jalen was still here. Against the Eagles, they
Speaker 1: would mug the a gap with Jalen on passing downs
Speaker 1: and Michael would be brushing on the edge and it
Speaker 1: was Curse that was playing behind all of that as
Speaker 1: kind of the guy who could catch everything if it
Speaker 1: got past him. Jalen is not that fast. Imagine doing
Speaker 1: that with Micah when you've got ends that are on
Speaker 1: the outside of it. I mean, there's just a lot
Speaker 1: of fun stuff that they can do. And that's why
Speaker 1: I don't want to put Micah Parsons in a box.
Speaker 1: I want him to be able to do whatever he
Speaker 1: wants to do. And I guess really the point of
Speaker 1: that is more once Tank is back, they can really
Speaker 1: freelance a lot more with Mica. And that means defensive end,
Speaker 1: that means linebacker, that means just wherever you want to
Speaker 1: line him up. You can line him up as safety
Speaker 1: if you want to and figure out a way to
Speaker 1: get him involved in the play. I just think you
Speaker 1: got a lot more flexibility of being able to move
Speaker 1: him around and do whatever you want to do when
Speaker 1: you get Tank back. You got three guys right now
Speaker 1: that are playing in positions that are you don't really
Speaker 1: know what their position is. Mica is one of them.
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neill, I mean you know his position, but he
Speaker 1: can play it like a safety. And Jalon curses another
Speaker 1: and those guys right there giving you so much flexibility versatility.
Speaker 1: When the guys get injured. Donald Wilson can come back,
Speaker 1: he can play safety, and you can maybe slade a
Speaker 1: guy inside. I mean, there's just you got a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that I wouldn't call him tweeters, but they
Speaker 1: can just do multiple fox too. Jabril Cox is in.
Speaker 1: They see how much they'll use him over the next
Speaker 1: There are safeties in the league that bigger than him,
Speaker 1: but he plays linebacker and is one of them. But
Speaker 1: that I mean just to play just to catch Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones and the flat I mean that was a that
Speaker 1: was a safety type explosion from the speed standpoint, I
Speaker 1: know okay, but it hit like a linebacker. That just
Speaker 1: gave me an idea of where the mail bag is
Speaker 1: going in the future because people people spent years trying
Speaker 1: to move Sean Lee to safety and so now it's
Speaker 1: gonna be Jabril Cox for sure. It's like, well he
Speaker 1: can play safety, Kenny. Yeah. What I love about to
Speaker 1: seem like that they don't worry about putting labels on
Speaker 1: guys and I'll just line them up and they just say,
Speaker 1: go play football, you know, And honestly, it's a fitting
Speaker 1: week to talk about it. That's the Patriots are famous
Speaker 1: for it. They're like, we got two cornerbacks who can
Speaker 1: handle the boundaries and everything else is kind of up
Speaker 1: for grabs, and it's I love it. It's worth It's
Speaker 1: the best way to play offenses in this day and
Speaker 1: age when it's so tilted the other way. And you
Speaker 1: know this, this goes for life. This isn't just football.
Speaker 1: But the best people in the world are the best
Speaker 1: or you know, the best teachers, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: explaining football on a Wednesday, Thursday, Friday to get ready,
Speaker 1: or explaining algebra, whatever it is. The teachers, you know,
Speaker 1: the best teachers are the ones that know how to
Speaker 1: get that can relate things. And I gotta give the
Speaker 1: credit to the Patriots for doing that. They do it
Speaker 1: on a week to week basis, and that's what dan
Speaker 1: Quinn is doing. He's doing it in a way that
Speaker 1: these guys understand. But yet offensive coordinators are still having
Speaker 1: trouble with it. All right, we appreciate you guys, you
Speaker 1: want us, we'll be back tomorrow. We're going to jump
Speaker 1: into the new England Patriot defense versus the Cowboys offense.
Speaker 1: Still then for Nick even Danny McCrae, oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: forty forty. I don't want, you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to go upstair and have Danny McCay like, Oh, I
Speaker 1: mean I did have a T shirt as a kid said,
Speaker 1: here comes to the next Bill Bates. I mean that's
Speaker 1: seven years old. He was forty. I loved Bill Bates.
Speaker 1: But you know, hey, we gotta watch Survivor to night.
Speaker 1: And by the way, check out my guy Danny A.
Speaker 1: Knight on Survivor and yeah, we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1: So far, they are just running rough shot over everybody else.
Speaker 1: So what's your favorite forty Derek? Danny? Okay, well, did
Speaker 1: you have something. You thought I was gonna say, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe a dream for from Devin White. Devin White forty
Speaker 1: here also, So we're just we're just we're just gonna
Speaker 1: have somebody. Somebody on Twitter is like thirty eight John L.
Speaker 1: Williams played for Seattle, and I'm like, that's not the
Speaker 1: game we're doing. You're right, I'm sorry. Cowboys numbers only
Speaker 1: from now, All right, guys, let's see outmow. This has
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