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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesday's and nition, a big blue kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. He's Paul the tinam Lance Meno.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three. That is the telephone number.

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Speaker 1: We'll get some tweets at hashtag yes you can. Camp

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Speaker 1: is amped up? Can I get my arm back in

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Speaker 1: the process? My goodness, I was just gonna get to that.

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Speaker 1: Today is day one, if you couldn't tell, of the

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Speaker 1: three day voluntary minicamp, and four players spoke to the media.

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Speaker 1: We also heard from Pat Shermer, so we'll give you

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Speaker 1: a little recap of that. Jeff Risden of Real GM

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Speaker 1: will join us in a little bit to help break

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Speaker 1: down the draft, and we'll get to your phone call.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with what Paul couldn't hide, and that

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Speaker 1: is that voluntary mindicamp is under way. They're gonna have

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Speaker 1: their first practice a little bit later on. But Paul,

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Speaker 1: we did hear from four players, earned from Pat Trevor.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Pat Shermer, and you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the things he emphasized was, well, what do you want

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Speaker 1: to get out of a voluntary minicamp? There's no contact,

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Speaker 1: but it's the first opportunity to get some of these

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Speaker 1: guys out on the field, and you know, chemistry, grasping

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Speaker 1: the offense, really the nuts and bolts, I think is

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Speaker 1: one of the primary goals in all of this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no question. As he said, you know, to install

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Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff right now is just that's that's

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Speaker 1: getting ahead of yourselves, you know, right now you want

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Speaker 1: to get guys familiar with each other. They've been here

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Speaker 1: for about two weeks now in terms of the strength

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Speaker 1: and conditioning programs, but now they're actually getting to go

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Speaker 1: out on the field to do walkthroughs. Now, let me

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Speaker 1: make something clear, folks, they're in church and shorts. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they can do seven on seven's, nine on sevens and

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Speaker 1: eleven on elevens, but no contact is allowed. And that's

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna see this afternoon when they actually go

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Speaker 1: through these walk through practice sessions later on today. Earlier

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Speaker 1: today they simply went through just some game formations without

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Speaker 1: actually running plays. When they run them this afternoon, again

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Speaker 1: there will be no contact whatsoever. But the point is

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Speaker 1: you want to get guys feeling comfortable with each other

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Speaker 1: on the field. That to me is really what what

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Speaker 1: I understood from what he said. Well, he jokingly said, listen,

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Speaker 1: one in the right direction, just to put yes, there

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Speaker 1: we go, Hey, that's progress. Speaking of Eli Manning, he

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Speaker 1: it been like having an opportunity to the classroom for

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Speaker 1: the first time, and what Pat Shermer said Paul was Eli,

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Speaker 1: at age thirty seven, is just as excited about adjusting

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Speaker 1: and learning a new offenses. Something we don't right, we

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Speaker 1: don't we basically do that, but you know, the energy

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Speaker 1: is still high, the enthusiasm is still high. He also

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Speaker 1: mentioned the same can be said for Davis Webb and

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Speaker 1: that he likes David Webb's enthusiasm, He likes his attention

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Speaker 1: also learned a lot in year one, even though he

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Speaker 1: hasn't gotten out on the field, just in terms of

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Speaker 1: let's make something very clear because a lot of the

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Speaker 1: folks are looking at this from the outside media as

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Speaker 1: Davis Webb's try out, so to speak, to day his

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Speaker 1: pro day to prevent the Giants maybe from taking a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And Sherman was very specific and saying, this is not

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Speaker 1: I want him to have fun. I want him to

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Speaker 1: do what he's supposed to do. He said that in particular,

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Speaker 1: he said, I want to give Web a good look

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Speaker 1: at various defenses. So obviously, when they're placing these body

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Speaker 1: parts across the line of scrimmage for him, they want

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Speaker 1: to know that he's recognizing what he sees. That's the

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Speaker 1: his mechanics are solid and he's delivering the ball properly.

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Speaker 1: This is stuff that won't surprise us because we've seen

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Speaker 1: him do it now for a year. But Pat Shermer

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Speaker 1: needs to see that in person. I anticipate that he will.

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Speaker 1: Shermer himself said that Davison characteristics. He said, Web cares,

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Speaker 1: at this point, Sterling Shepard said, he lives in the

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Speaker 1: gonna throw Olivier Vernon into this. The two players in particular,

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Speaker 1: to those heights. And then Olivier Vernon noted Chandler Jones's

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Speaker 1: production with the Arizona Cardinals. The former New England Patriot,

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Speaker 1: he moved to that stand up linebacker positions. I was

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Speaker 1: and sacks last season. Yeah, although Vernon was quick to

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Speaker 1: also heard from Betcher previously to this saying, Oh, don't worry,

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Speaker 1: he's primarily going to be a pass rusher. He won't

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Speaker 1: curious as to exactly how much linebacker room study he

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Speaker 1: call Olivier Vernon a stand up defensive end as opposed

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Speaker 1: I see that his responsibilities encompassed more of a scope

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Speaker 1: up defensive end. Well, that's I think they're gonna move

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Speaker 1: said that obviously he is looking forward to getting back

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's disappointing that Collins had to go back

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Speaker 1: be in good health moving forward. All Right, we'll get

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Speaker 1: more into voluntary mini camp in a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: other big storyline this week. And yes, we are inching

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Speaker 1: night in Big d and we are now joined by

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Speaker 1: Jeff Risden of real GM to provide more insight on

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Speaker 1: what we're hearing across the NFL landscape again an idea

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Speaker 1: of what to look for in terms of the prospects. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: you got Lance Mettal Poul Tatino with here Giants dot Com,

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live has everything. Appreciate the time. Oh,

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Speaker 1: my pleasure to be with you is the We're two

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Speaker 1: days out. I can't wait for it to finally get

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Speaker 1: here and we can end all the speculation because, uh,

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Speaker 1: and forth on who's gonna take who and where it's

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Speaker 1: it's a crazy year. Jeff. It's interesting you say that

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Speaker 1: because I'm in my thirty sixty year covering the Giants

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Speaker 1: the most frenetic rumor phil draft that I can ever remember.

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Speaker 1: And of course that's primarily because electronic media has exploded

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Speaker 1: a trade room where somebody's gotta mocked raft. How difficult

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Speaker 1: deal with so much of the icing, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: instead of the actual beef. Uh. It's it's interesting this

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Speaker 1: year you're and you're absolutely right, this is this is

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Speaker 1: I've been covering the draft since two thousand four. I

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Speaker 1: was a fan of it before that. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: such violent swings and attitudes for so many players. Um.

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Speaker 1: I put a thing up on The Brown's Layer today

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Speaker 1: where where I'm the executive editor, about Baker Atheo being

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Speaker 1: in real play for number one. Really he was, he

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Speaker 1: last two years, I always knew who was going to

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Speaker 1: I think it's fun. It brings some of the life

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Speaker 1: the three or four pix steps that this year, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, and and I kind of like that, Well,

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Speaker 1: you cover, you cover the Browns. As as you just

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Speaker 1: said a second ago with the Browns Wire, Jeff, we

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Speaker 1: would be remissive if we did not start off the

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Speaker 1: He deferred to Clinton Nelson when they were on the

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Speaker 1: sidelines in those meetings and huddles. That's not a shot

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Speaker 1: at McGlinchey. That that's that's talking about how good Nelson

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Speaker 1: is and how respective he is. I would have no

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Speaker 1: problem with the Giants came at number two. Uh, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem and you guys, it doesn't seem like they're

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Speaker 1: looking that way, but I certainly would consider it. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you this, um, as you look at this draft,

436
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Speaker 1: and we've talked about the giants needs at infinite um

437
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Speaker 1: now for several months, and I want to just so

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Speaker 1: if I can concentrate on them for a minute, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: top of the second round, top of the third round.

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Speaker 1: Let's assume the Giants wind up with Barkley, which seems

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Speaker 1: to be the chalk at at a Vegas these days. Uh,

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Speaker 1: can they get in your mind a quality plug in

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Speaker 1: place starting offensive lineman at the top around two, and

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Speaker 1: then maybe at the top around three get themselves maybe

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Speaker 1: a corner or maybe a linebacker, maybe a defensive end

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Speaker 1: who's going to have the opportunity to challenge for a

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Speaker 1: starting job as well. Yeah, that that's that position at

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Speaker 1: the top of the second is interesting. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you're needing an offensive tackle there, but if you want

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Speaker 1: to guard or a center, a guy like Billy Price

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Speaker 1: or Frank reag Now or possibly Will Fernandez. Those guys

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that we should all be there,

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Speaker 1: and those guys are instant starters for you. And Austin

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Speaker 1: Corvi from the data is another guy who fits into

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Speaker 1: that bill and he might actually be available later. Uh so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you can do that. UM. As far as

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Speaker 1: the third round, I love the off the ball linebacker group.

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Speaker 1: It does seem a little top heavy though, but you

459
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Speaker 1: can find guys Jerome Baker from Ohio State. UM, there's

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Speaker 1: several guys that can you know that they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be great, but they're gonna be UM at least equivalent

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Speaker 1: to what you lost in Devon Canard and probably better

463
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Speaker 1: than him, more well rounded. I should say, you can

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Speaker 1: get those guys. Yeah, so I I like the idea

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Speaker 1: of where they're at. I also think that that pick

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Speaker 1: at the top of the second is prime trade material

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Speaker 1: if somebody is falling unexpectedly out of the first round,

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Speaker 1: and that's where the Giants could pick up an extra

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Speaker 1: you know, the second round pick or third round pick

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Speaker 1: or something for the future. Uh to guarantee. I think

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Speaker 1: that I think those first three or were picked in

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Speaker 1: the second round, are are so valuable for this year,

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Speaker 1: and I think that it would be wise to look

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Speaker 1: at at least what the market is for thus well.

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Speaker 1: And we saw that actually when the Giants were lowered

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Speaker 1: down in the second round a few years ago, Tennessee

477
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Speaker 1: was higher and the Giants wound up moving up because

478
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Speaker 1: Landon Collins fell into the second round. So we could

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Speaker 1: very well see that come to fruition again, Jeff. And

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Speaker 1: you know, speaking of depth at various positions. While the

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Speaker 1: assumption seems to be that se Kwan Barkley could very

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Speaker 1: well be there at number two for the Giants and

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Speaker 1: his great value, I think you could argue, Jeff, that

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Speaker 1: there's a great deal of depth at running back in

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Speaker 1: this year's class and there's a lot of other running

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Speaker 1: backs that I think could come in year one and

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Speaker 1: make a significant impact. How much do you see the

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Speaker 1: drop off at running back after se Kwon Barkley. How

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Speaker 1: close is the gap between him and the rest of

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Speaker 1: the pack. I think it's closer than a lot of

491
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Speaker 1: fans realized. It is. The guys like Sony Michelle, Darius guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Ronald Jones out of usc H,

493
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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, Shot Penny, even guys like Carrie on Johnson.

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Speaker 1: The these are guys who are going to be NFL starters,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna get these guys in the second and

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Speaker 1: then possibly even the top of the third round. There's Barkley.

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Speaker 1: I've said this before. I don't think st Korn Barkley

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Speaker 1: is the best rusher. If you're just handing the ball

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Speaker 1: off to your running back, he's not the best guy

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Speaker 1: in this class. He gives you the dimension. He's one

501
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Speaker 1: of the best receivers in this class too, he just

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Speaker 1: has to play running back. I think he can give

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Speaker 1: you that sort of Marshall Falk style of obviously there

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Speaker 1: are different players, but that sort of impact on your

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Speaker 1: on your offense where he can get you a hundred

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Speaker 1: catches as well as two hundred carries and and dominate

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Speaker 1: the defense in those ways. And that is valuable. And

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Speaker 1: the other guy comes close in that. But if you're

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Speaker 1: just talking about a guy to to run the ball

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Speaker 1: in hand off, you're not looking at any drop off

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Speaker 1: at all. And I dare say there's a couple of

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Speaker 1: guys who might actually be better than Sakran Barkley at

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Speaker 1: that in this draft. All right, let me ask you

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Speaker 1: a little bit of of a generic question, who's the

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Speaker 1: one guy who every year? You know, ESPN likes to

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Speaker 1: get the guy in the green room who drops like

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Speaker 1: a stone and they stick the camera to space and

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Speaker 1: they make him miserable and he's fallen and he's fallen

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Speaker 1: and he's fallen. Who's the one name who you could

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Speaker 1: see be that guy this year? And conversely, do you

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Speaker 1: think there's also a guy who we're not really popping

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Speaker 1: up a whole lot, who suddenly is gonna find himself

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Speaker 1: in the top ten? Top ten? Is a reach? But

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Speaker 1: I'd say a Colton Neward from New c l A

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Speaker 1: the offensive tackle, incredible physical specimen. Uh, somebody actually on

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Speaker 1: Twitter last night, I liked his comparing the Bruce Campbell

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Speaker 1: when he came out of Maryland, and I hadn't been

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Speaker 1: able to place my finger on it because Newer if

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Speaker 1: you watch his tape, he's a fourth or a fifth

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Speaker 1: round guy at best. But if you watch what he

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Speaker 1: did it at the combined and see it worked out

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Speaker 1: and thinking that the account his inexperience, there's a guy

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Speaker 1: who's gonna go a lot higher than I think most

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Speaker 1: people think he is. Look at for a guy who's

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Speaker 1: gonna drop, I mean, Maurice Hurst seems like he is

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Speaker 1: has fallen and I actually don't know if he's going

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Speaker 1: to be there at the green room or not. One

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Speaker 1: of the guys did I think fans think is going

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Speaker 1: higher than what he is is making Fitzpatrick the defensive

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Speaker 1: back out of Alabama. I still think he's a top

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Speaker 1: fifteen top at the worst, but I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: a top send pick. And I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who think that he is. Yeah, well, his

544
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Speaker 1: versatility is is really important, but I also do think

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Speaker 1: that depending upon your coordinator in his scheme and how

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Speaker 1: you're gonna use him, kind of like with with Peppers

547
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Speaker 1: last year, it was like you're gonna take a guy

548
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Speaker 1: like that who's a Swiss army knife, you better be

549
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Speaker 1: able to use him the right way and get the

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Speaker 1: most of out of him, otherwise you're not getting the

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Speaker 1: true value. And Probaly and aren't too happy about the

552
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Speaker 1: way that he was used last year playing is a

553
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Speaker 1: is a defective plunt returner on first and ten five

554
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Speaker 1: yards off the line of scrimmage. Is as a free

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Speaker 1: safety when he's a strong safety, linebacker hybrid. Uh, we're

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Speaker 1: opening at changes in Cleveland because that that just didn't work.

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Speaker 1: But he did play well at the end of the

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Speaker 1: year once they did put him in the box once

559
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Speaker 1: Dirk Kinder got hurt. But what we'll see now they

560
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Speaker 1: now they have the Marrius Raynel in there, who the

561
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Speaker 1: Packers misyears when they took him in the first round

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Speaker 1: making him a cornerback even though he's a free safety.

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Speaker 1: Teams do us all the time. It's it's often they

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Speaker 1: drafted the player and asked him to do things that

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Speaker 1: they're not they haven't done before her, or don't as

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Speaker 1: to be good at. But that's part of the front

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Speaker 1: of the draft. Yeah. Shack Thompson's another guy that comes

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Speaker 1: to mind when he came out. There was also a

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Speaker 1: questions safety linebacker, and Caroline obviously has utilized him and

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00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: worked out well. So I think we always see a

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Speaker 1: player every single year. Well, Jeff, everybody who comes on

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Speaker 1: the program, we always like to get their predictions. So

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Speaker 1: I want to know who do you think the Giants

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Speaker 1: are going to take? And then if you were Dave Kettleman,

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Speaker 1: who would you take at the number two spots? That's

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00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: a good question. I think it will be se Kwon Barkley. Uh,

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Speaker 1: They're running back from Penn State, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: that I could cripple with that. And if I'm Gettleman,

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Speaker 1: I'm seriously considering that. But I am taking Clinton Nelson

580
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Speaker 1: because I know that that guy is going to be great.

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Speaker 1: I have very I have no doubt in my mind

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Speaker 1: the Colint Nelson is going to be a great NFL player.

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Speaker 1: Right away, I'm gonna get one more in here is Jeff.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep you another couple of seconds. What would

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Speaker 1: have to be the price? What would be the package

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Speaker 1: to entice you to trade out at two? I know

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Speaker 1: you said you don't think the Giants will. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's likely either, because I don't think they're going

589
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Speaker 1: to get anybody willing to give them a fort Knox

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Speaker 1: full of picks to make a deal. But if if

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Speaker 1: one of these teams that let's just say four or

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Speaker 1: five or six decided they wanted to make a deal,

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Speaker 1: what would be the price in your mind to make

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Speaker 1: that happen. I want their first and second this year

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Speaker 1: and next year to do that. Wow, four premium picks,

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Speaker 1: which is what I've been saying. So that's I'm with

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Speaker 1: you because to Jeff's point, and you emphasized this earlier,

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Speaker 1: and this is where I've always felt, Jeff, once you

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Speaker 1: move out of the top ten, you're taking yourself out

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Speaker 1: of a position to get a premier player, and the

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Speaker 1: percentages fall in terms of that player likely becoming a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer or becoming a franchise type of players.

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Speaker 1: So if you're gonna take that risk, you need to

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Speaker 1: make sure that you're getting a package of selections that

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Speaker 1: will help you in future seasons in case the guy

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Speaker 1: that you take this year doesn't pan out. Hi rom

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Speaker 1: or Jeff, the one that's kind of floating around the

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00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: last couple of days, I think NFL Network or ESPN,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember which one was floating the three team

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00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: deal involving the Bills and the Giants and possibly the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard anything about that at all? Is having

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Speaker 1: any legs? Uh? It seems like a headache to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand the logistics behind it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's one of those deals where the two teams

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Speaker 1: do make a trade and then the third gets involved

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Speaker 1: after the first one is executed. Uh. As of now,

617
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Speaker 1: the the NFL is still not the NBA now that

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Speaker 1: comes from. So I'll believe that when I see it.

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Speaker 1: As Gettleman said, you can't get too cute. Well, and

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Speaker 1: plus Jeff, you know one Sagana jop reference I think

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Speaker 1: is enough for this year's NFL draft. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you want to go back in the day with

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Speaker 1: more Cleveland draft picks that haven't panned out. We don't

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Speaker 1: want to cause you that much paint on this program.

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00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: Mel Turpin, anybody the visions of Danny fiery in my head.

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Speaker 1: It's just not good. Absolutely well, we could we could

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Speaker 1: talk to her all, Brandon and some of all those

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Speaker 1: other other good guys that have suited up for the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Calves over the course of the years well, jeffer

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Speaker 1: Is did kind enough to give us a few minutes

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Speaker 1: covers the NFL in the draft for real g M.

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Speaker 1: You could also catch him as the managing editor of

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Speaker 1: the Browns Wire. Jeff greatly appreciate the time of the inside.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Thank you, Jeff, absolutely so. Jeffer Is

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Speaker 1: then with his latest in terms of the rumorville across

636
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Speaker 1: the NFL landscape, and he said, Barkley, but he is

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Speaker 1: intrigued by Quentin Nelson, and he said, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the second highest grade if you go back in the

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Speaker 1: history of the draft, so that speaks volumes of where

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Speaker 1: they think of him as an offensive linement. It is

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Speaker 1: very difficult, very difficult to pass on a guy who

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Speaker 1: again could be fitted for a Hall of Fame jacket,

643
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Speaker 1: as Gettleman has said, when you're that high in the draft,

644
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: and you know, if you're to believe the consensus, Barkley

645
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: could be that guy, Nelson could be that guy. And

646
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: Chubb doesn't have an unanimous opinion on that. From what

647
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: I've heard, maybe two thirds of the people or half

648
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: of the people think he could be that guy. But

649
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: there are two short fire Hall of Fame jackets. According

650
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: to the consensus, Chump is like half and then there's

651
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: nobody else. I don't hear anybody else getting that kind

652
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: of chatter at all. You know, they must have or

653
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: don't even think about passing up. And I mean, let

654
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: me ask you this. Okay, we talked about at number two,

655
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: you gotta pick a guy, you know, with with the

656
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: yellow jack and caliber talent. Well, Michael Strahan was a

657
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame defensive end for this very franchise. He

658
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: was a second round picked. By the way, is anybody

659
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: even saying remotely that Bradley Chubb has any stretch of

660
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: the imagination, a fraction of the talent that Michael Strahan had.

661
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that at all, have you? No, I

662
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: have not heard that comparison. But here's the thing. But

663
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: there's your hall, there's your bar, there's your Hall of

664
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: Fame defensive end, Michael Strahan. Bradley Chup is no Michael Strahand.

665
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time, when Strahand came in, was

666
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: there talk that he was definitely going to be a

667
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: short haul of fame. Well, coming out of Texas Southern,

668
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: which was a very very low level program, the terms

669
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: of competition really dropped him the Giants were like, no, no,

670
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: we think he's got potential, and of course it worked

671
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: out for them. Um, the competition just you know, destroyed

672
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: his grade. But the point is, if he's if the

673
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: guy's got to to measure up to that level of player.

674
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't hear anybody talking about Bradley Chubb like that. Again.

675
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: I think he'd be an okay selection, but I don't.

676
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 1: I don't see how anyone could grade him higher than

677
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: the other two guys. I just don't see it. And

678
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm with you because when we were talking about those three,

679
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: if you would ask me my opinion ranking wise Barkley

680
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: Nelson Show, question my order without question on a board,

681
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: if you were in that selection situation where you can

682
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: choose any of the three. Yeah, So I'm an agreement

683
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: with you there. Tuson one four or five? One three

684
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: is the telephone number? Hashtag giants chat on Twitter. Let's

685
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: open up the phone lines. We check in with Jimmy

686
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: in Rose. Jimmy, what's happened? Hey, guys, how are you uh?

687
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: First of all, I wanted to compliment you on the show,

688
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: having all of these people from you know, Sunline reporters

689
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: and guys covering different colleges gives you a whole different

690
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: perspective on these kids, and it's been it's really eye opening.

691
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: So kudos to you guys to do and that appreciation.

692
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: They know these players better than any of us do

693
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: that you're absolutely right. Listen, this a little background. I mean,

694
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: I tell them my first Giant game when I was

695
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: nine years of age, back in nineteen fifty nine. They

696
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: were playing Cleveland. Then three years later we were fortunate

697
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: to get season tickets, so we've had those in sixty two.

698
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: So all the time, I have seen a lot of football,

699
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: a lot of good football, a lot of bad football

700
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: and everything. But the backup on a point that poll

701
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: made a couple of days ago, she brought up the

702
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: name George Young, which I haven't heard, And in my mind,

703
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: George Young is the guy that that literally laid the

704
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: framework for the and the foundation for the organization that

705
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: work that we see today. If it wasn't for George,

706
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: I would have pulled my hair out A long time ago.

707
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: Um and I actually got into it. I actually shared

708
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: some notes with him back and forth. They wrote him

709
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: a note when he first got high, and to my surprise,

710
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: he wrote back and there's a couple of things that

711
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: he said. That gentleman to me is is like his

712
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: his son uh in terms of in terms of their philosophies,

713
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: like that George Young whisperer, he really is. It's incredible.

714
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean he's the first guy I mean, you know

715
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: get Aleman talks about how Molly's em George telling me

716
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: one time I met him up at Ruppid Pace, if

717
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: I send him a couple of notes, introduced myself. We

718
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: sat down, we talked for a while when the giants

719
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: were training up there, and he said, Jim, he said,

720
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: God put only a few elephants on this earth, and

721
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: if you find one of the place football, you gotta

722
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: take him. So that that police and big people. He

723
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: also told me that you can never have enough good players,

724
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: regardless of positions. I don't know if you remember when

725
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: when they took thanks said aligned back in court that

726
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: consisted of carts and Van Pelt failor people said why

727
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: you Canna, why are you taking a lineback with the

728
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: third overall choice, and why do that? Byron Hut was

729
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: there too. You got you gotta do it. I mean,

730
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: you've got a great ballplayer there. You gotta do it

731
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: what I think what I think that so anyway, So

732
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: I think Dave has got a lot of that same

733
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: genetics that George had and and it's it's given me

734
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: some comfort because I think this roster does have to

735
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: be rebuilt. The one thing everybody agrees on is that

736
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: the drafts over the last few years have have really

737
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: depleted this roster and we got to go about building

738
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: it back up again. That's why I wouldn't be totally

739
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: totally opposed to a trade that um that gets them

740
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: the number of picks that would allow them to rebuild

741
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: the draft, but the restaurant. But I don't think they're

742
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I think it's good comparent to Balkley

743
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: and Nelson. Uh, if they could trade, if they can

744
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: make a deal, if they with Denver, I don't know.

745
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: If them wants to move up, go back as far

746
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 1: as five and then get a guy like Nelson, it's five,

747
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: I would do it. But if they stay at too,

748
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: I think they're going to take Barkley. But I agree

749
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: with your guests. If it was me, and I think

750
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: if it was George, I think you would take Clinton Nelson.

751
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: That's what the games one. It's all sit and done.

752
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: It's still a game of blocking and tackling. It's one

753
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: upfront and and to get a kid like Nelson, I

754
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: think you'd have put him in there for the next

755
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: fourteen years. You know, You've got no problems at all

756
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: about about your your offensive line, So that's what I

757
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: would do. Curious to hear your opinions on Well, you know,

758
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: I I agree with you philosophically, and I've said that

759
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: that Gettleman reminds me a lot of George Young and

760
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer reminds me a lot of Dan Reeves. To

761
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: be perfectly honest with you, so I'll invoke two names

762
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: for the past for you. But I think that Blarckley

763
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: because he is truly not a running back but an

764
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: offensive weapon. And he can also, by the way, be

765
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: a huge force on special teams with his kick return abilities. Yeah,

766
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: do you want to put a second round choice all

767
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: and special teams? Well, they put back them back there

768
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: on occasion when they really needed a lift. I mean,

769
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: it does happen, guys, Guys. You know I'd rather they

770
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: didn't do that too. Tonio Brown is also the main

771
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: return guy for this teal Jimmy, So I'd rather they

772
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: don't do that, but it could be a weapon if necessary.

773
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Is the point. I just think. I think that that

774
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: Barckley brings such a widespread array of talents and can

775
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: beat you in so many ways. One of the other things,

776
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that you're an old school guy, because

777
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: I love talking old school. Remember Bill Parcels used to

778
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: tell us back in the eighties when we would sit

779
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: in the press room, we have many of many of

780
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: these awesome football discussions just to talk football. He'd spent

781
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: an hour and a half on a Friday afternoon before

782
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: practice just shooting football with with all of the beat

783
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: guys who were sitting in that press room, and those

784
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 1: were the most educational sessions I've ever had. And Bill

785
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: Bill one of the things Bill used to say is

786
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: that you line up your eleven against their eleven on

787
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: offense and on defense. And the first thing you do

788
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: when you sit down you get ready to get your

789
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: game plan going, is you check off each one of

790
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: those matchups who is the edge. And when you see

791
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: your board and you say, okay, there's the checks on

792
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: one side, there's the checks on the other side, that

793
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: itself is going to give you your initial impression as

794
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: to how you feel you stand going into that game.

795
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: Second thing you do, you look at each side of

796
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: the of the of the ball and specials, and you say, Okay,

797
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: who is the one guy who could absolutely wreck the

798
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: game at any time during the course of the game

799
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: that no matter what we do right, this guy is

800
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: a game breaker, a game changer, a guy who could

801
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: wreck it. And think about this for the last several years,

802
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: outside of Beckham, who if the Giants had on the

803
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, who could wreck a game?

804
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: Who could make defensive coordinators stay up at night on

805
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: Monday nights thinking about, Oh my goodness, I gotta worry

806
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: about this guy. And and that's what you want to do.

807
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: Bill used to say, the key to winning games is

808
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: getting the edge before kickoff. You want to impose your

809
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: will on the opposition and by doing that, you getting

810
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: their heads before the game, by getting them out of

811
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: their comfort zone to start thinking about doing things that

812
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: they don't want to do and things that they do best,

813
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: they're going to get away from because they're so concerned

814
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: about what you do. That's what Bill taught us and

815
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: so but but that's what Barkley does. Play football in

816
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: high school college locally. To me, though, the way you

817
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: impose your will on the team is you pound them

818
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: up front. If you pound them up front, I get it,

819
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: I get it. But I will tell you Barkeley will

820
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: keep defensive coordinators up at night on Monday, and and

821
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: well he now back in January. I get it, and

822
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: I get it, and I believe me. If Barkley gets

823
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: taken by the Browns, I would take Nelson in a

824
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: heartbeat at number two. Trust me when I tell you that.

825
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: But here's the thing I said in January. If the

826
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: Giants did not improve their offense the line, you can

827
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: be by witness, I said Barkley. I said Barkley would

828
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: not be a great pick because you won't maximize his value.

829
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: The Giants have to have to address the old line

830
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: before they think about taking Barkley. They did that. They

831
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: went out signed to free agents on the old line.

832
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: They're gonna get a starting offensive lineman probably in round two. Well,

833
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: you still got your right tackle and John Jerry, I

834
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: think is not worth the you know, the artificial turkey

835
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: plays on. I mean there's still they're still at this

836
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: point in my estimation, they've got the center is okay,

837
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: who knows and uhs and sold us. So that's still

838
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: even if you're getting that, that's there's certainly position for grants. Jimmy,

839
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. I don't think anything is

840
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: solidified with respect to the offensive lineman. I'm an agreement

841
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: with you because you know, I've looked at a lot

842
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: of the teams that have all of a sudden made

843
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: a jump to the postseason. Are have been in constant

844
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: competitions about the running game, and it's always about the

845
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: ground attack, and why are they successful on the ground

846
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: because of a consistent strong offensive line. You look at Dallas,

847
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Dallas invests did a bunch of first round picks in

848
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: their offensive line. Tom Coughlin and the Jaguars revamped their

849
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: offensive line. You know, they went out and they signed

850
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: the big free agent this year. So I'm with you,

851
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: and I'm also on the on the flip side of

852
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: what Paul said, I agree that Barkley, you could take

853
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: advantage of ten times more when you have a great

854
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: offensive line. I would also say when you have a

855
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: good offensive line, that doesn't mean that Joe Schmo should

856
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: be back there. But if you take a guy in

857
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: the second round, you take a guye in the third round.

858
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: Who's to say that that guy can't be successful if

859
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: your offensive line is in good shape, for example, well,

860
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 1: well the other the other example him, I'm gonna because

861
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: that's the position I played in college. And I still

862
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: think that that's I mean, the game is run up front,

863
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a real Lombardi said, it's a

864
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: real simple game. It's a game of absolutely and a

865
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff to you know, to take a

866
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: McGuire expression is kind of you know, it's it's window dressing,

867
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: its French pastry, it's it's what gets fans excited. It's

868
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: what you know, gets all the eyeballs on the TV.

869
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: But bottom line, nothing happens if you don't win the

870
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Totally agree with you. It's all about

871
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: the trenches. It's always all about the trenches. I'm just

872
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: telling you, I think Barkley is so special I'd make

873
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: an exception in this case. But we're on the same page.

874
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: I did see him, you know, I did see him.

875
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: I went out to a Penn State game. I uh

876
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: my alma mater is uh uh. Former head coach was

877
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: the offensive Coordinator's got the job down in Mississippi State,

878
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: Joe mo had More had another name to keep keep

879
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: an eye on. But I'm out there to see Joe

880
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: when we saw the Michigan State game when they wanted

881
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: and this kid is I mean, yeah, and the kid

882
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: is special. I mean if I watched a lot of

883
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: state games because the more heads connection out there, and yeah,

884
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. I mean, he's you know,

885
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: he's not chopped liver. But I just think that that

886
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: in the state that the Giants are in right now,

887
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: they either move out of that pick to pick up

888
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: some more assets and it's got to be the right deal. Poll,

889
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but it's not. If they can't

890
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: do that, then I know a lot of people on

891
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: on Friday morning be going crazy. But if they take

892
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: Quinton Nelson, I'll rest my head and listen. We hear

893
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: you to be and appreciate in I think no matter

894
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: who the Giants take, there's always going to be some

895
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: segment of the fan base that loves it and some

896
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: segment of the fan base that would have played the

897
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: could have should have game. I don't think you're ever

898
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: gonna please everybody under the circumstances those top two guys.

899
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong with either one, and and even

900
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: Chubb is a legitimate pick at that spot. After that,

901
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: you could make a very strong argument that maybe they

902
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: didn't get as much value as they needed to if

903
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: they wind up going away from those three players. But

904
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe they know something that we don't. Well

905
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: at just the point about the trade, and they're getting

906
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: places they are in terms of you know, whether or

907
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: not the Giant should move down to the last caller's

908
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: point so that you gain volume. It's always what should

909
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: do with that volume. The volume is great, but you

910
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: gotta then take advantage of the volume. Whereas with number two,

911
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: I would hesitate moving down so quickly, knowing that the

912
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: chances of you picking a player number two that's going

913
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: to pan out or much higher than you're grabbing the

914
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: boatload of picks and then everybody panning out. And that's

915
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: just the numbers game based on research and track records

916
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: that we've seen in NFL draft. Let's head back to

917
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: the phone lines. We've got Christian in New York. Christian,

918
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: what's happening here? You guys? I'm so glad that for

919
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: only a couple of days out now Um, you're glad.

920
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: How about us? Oh, but I'm ready to draft right now.

921
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: I've gotta wait for But UM, a lot of the time,

922
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: like if if a prospect isn't asked to do something

923
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: in college, like it's, I guess it's just safer to

924
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: think that they're not quite as able to. But with

925
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: Barkley not having such a good offensive line in college, Um,

926
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: it's it's just hard to think that he had much

927
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: room to even run between the tackles, and he really

928
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: just bounced everything because he was able to. And I

929
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: just I think that he's going to bring a number

930
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: two overall pick impact to a team. Make you make

931
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: a great point. You make a great point about the

932
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: line because we had Jack Cammon, the former Penn State

933
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame linebacker who obviously does Penn State Radio

934
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: and discussed him in detail with us and thought that

935
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: the concept that he bounces stuff outside too much was

936
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: ridiculous because the old line wasn't very good. And I'll

937
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: even go further and tell you that an independent NFL

938
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: uh scout said to me, have you seen Kisiki block?

939
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna be one of the top tight ends taken

940
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: in the draft because he's an outstanding pass receiver. He

941
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: doesn't block worth out. Okay, you're talking about the Penn

942
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: State tight end. Yes, well no, just the case anybody

943
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: was confused. So you're talking about a suspect blocking offensive

944
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: line and a tight end who wanted no part of blocking.

945
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: Is it any wonder that's say Kwan Barkley did a

946
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: lot of bouncing around and had some hesitation moves and

947
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: and often didn't hit the hole as hard as he

948
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: should have. Every running back will tell you those instincts

949
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: start getting getting affected when you can't have confidence and

950
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: run assertively because the guys in front of you aren't

951
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: doing what they're supposed to do. And those things can

952
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: be taught by positional coaches, and you can point that

953
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: out on films. Well, it's not taught, it's habit. If

954
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: he gets to a team and I think the Giant's

955
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: offensive line is getting better, I think it is okay.

956
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: If he gets to a team where they can instill

957
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 1: the confidence in him that the block will be there,

958
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: hit it. Yeah, that's that's not about showing him how

959
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: to do it. That's about him having the belief the

960
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: block is gonna be but also pointing it out on

961
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: film that this is how the scheme runs, and the

962
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: hole is gonna be there, and confidence to stick to

963
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: the team and push him. I mean that that's the

964
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: bigger point that I was bringing on. I think when

965
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: you feel and Dave Gentleman touched on this in his

966
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: press conference, will let you continue here, Christian. What he

967
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: said is you've got to be careful when you watch

968
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: film of a college player and and there are things

969
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: that maybe he was not asked to do, and then

970
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: you get concerned, and that's why you don't take the player.

971
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: You have to look at the film and say, if

972
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: I bring him into my system, can we utilize him?

973
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: Is there enough that we can teach him that he

974
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: can then take advantage of what we're asking him to do.

975
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: And I think Barkley, to your point, Christian is that

976
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: type of player where you see, obviously he's got an

977
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: unbelievable amount of upside and talent, and if you bring

978
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: him into your system with a good offensive line, I

979
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: think most executives would figure he's going to have a

980
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: very good chance to thrive, as opposed to a player

981
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe he doesn't have good technique and

982
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: does not have good decision making, and I don't necessarily

983
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: see that when you watch him on film. Yeah, I

984
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: mean he's got the ball, he's got the vision when

985
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands, he's he's definitely got

986
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: the power. Um, so all he really has to learn

987
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: how to do is basically just run some people over

988
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: at times when when they're in his way between the tackles.

989
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: And you know that's I don't see that really being

990
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: an issue just because he didn't too often, didn't do

991
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: it too often in college. But um, at the same time,

992
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: I would be just as happy was trading back and

993
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: getting a couple of picks and then a different running back.

994
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: So basically for me at number two, it's barkley or

995
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: trade back, if you know, that's just what I would want.

996
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: All right, Christian, Well appreciate the phone call. Thanks so

997
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: much for joining in on the fun of the game

998
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: of speculation, which will certainly be coming to an end

999
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: in a few days. Tie is in Maryland, he joins

1000
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: us now on Giants dot Com Big Blue Kickoff Live time.

1001
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: What's happening we have going on? But it's been a

1002
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: long so do it all right? Time? Hello? All right? Um, Well,

1003
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: before before I just started. I just wanted to say,

1004
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, uh, I don't. I don't. I'm not flittling

1005
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: moving out or just out of out of the second pick,

1006
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: really not feeling that. And then that's I think we

1007
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: stayed there, um and we get Barkley. That's saying if

1008
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: the Browns don't get Barkley, which I don't think they

1009
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: will because their offensive line is shot right now. They

1010
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: got a good offensive line. They're just their main question

1011
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: markets finding Joe Thomas's successor other than that, they have

1012
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: really good interior players. They're storing their two guards. They're

1013
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: a perfect position moving forward. Okay, okay, well, I still

1014
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: don't think that they gets a quart I really don't.

1015
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 1: I mean, they could, but I don't see that happening.

1016
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't like us moving out of

1017
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: the second pick. And a lot of people are saying

1018
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: we should trade down to get extra picks, and I

1019
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: don't think that they're taking into consideration that we don't

1020
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: know what's happened, what's gonna happen with Eric Flower's you know,

1021
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: we don't know if we're gonna wind up trading him,

1022
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: either either before or during the draft to get more picks.

1023
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: To them, So we need to take that at consideration. Now,

1024
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: what I wanted to talk about today is is I

1025
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: just wanted to give you guys a handful of of

1026
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: courses in the draft that I wanted to bring you

1027
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: guys attention and m you just tell me what you

1028
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: think about it. Um. Okay, So the first guy I

1029
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: really like is a Lorenzo Carter Um. I think he's

1030
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: a really good three or four defensive van or outside linebacker,

1031
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: kind of kind of like mean, you are a type

1032
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: of guy. Um. The second guy like is Brandon Parker,

1033
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle from North Carolina at UM. He's kind

1034
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: of under the radar, but I think he has a

1035
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: build of a starting guard more so than the tackle. UM.

1036
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: Let's see you who also like. I like the running

1037
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: back out of Alabama both starbro Um. He did. He

1038
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: did well in the in the combine a lot better

1039
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: than I thought he would. You know, he kind of

1040
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: burst on the scene at the combine a lot. Um.

1041
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: Another guy that I like in in the draft uh

1042
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: is six five two plus uh Ecnonymious st. Brown. He's

1043
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: got a family full of wide receivers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1044
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: And there's one more guy. And I was thinking about

1045
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: Um that I wanted to bring you guys attention. UM.

1046
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: You see, if I can think about him, I really

1047
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: can't think about If you're thinking the name, you can

1048
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: always tweet at us and UH bring it up on

1049
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: a future show. We'll give you some of our thoughts

1050
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: on those players that appreciate the phone call. Tie always

1051
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: good to hear for a tie and find that Sleepers

1052
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: is always the big thing. I would say for most teams,

1053
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: you're always looking more for who maybe he could grab

1054
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: the fourth rounds and beyond, much more so than you

1055
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: know who's gonna be there at two and three. Yeah,

1056
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: we should tell people. By the way, we will have

1057
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: a big blue kickoff live draft shows while the draft

1058
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: is going on on Friday night, UH rounds two and three,

1059
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: John Schmilk and I will be here to deal with

1060
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: the Giants picks as well as what's going on around

1061
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: the rest of the league. Will also have a special

1062
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: show on Saturday afternoon to deal with the third day

1063
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: of pick. So if you want to call in, then

1064
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: it's a better time to talk about some of these

1065
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: guys because we'll be talking about those names that are

1066
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: still left on the port. Yes, well, because those are

1067
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: gonna be the players that you're gonna have to be

1068
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: thinking about with respect to, you know, the offensive lineman

1069
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: that he brought up from A and T, Brandon Parker.

1070
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: You know, it comes from a good lineage because his

1071
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: father played football for North Carolina, So you know that's

1072
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: something that is appealing. And obviously, you know he's got

1073
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: to continue to fill out his frame, you know. I

1074
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: think that's one thing that I've noticed that. You know,

1075
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: here's my other concern about Parker. When you have an

1076
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: offensive lineman Paul that's six ft eight, it's similar to

1077
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: we were talking with Jefferson about Colton Miller from U C.

1078
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: L A. You just wonder whether or not the game

1079
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: of leverage is going to be an issue. Can you

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00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: get in that position where consistently down in and down

1081
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: out you're gonna be in a position where you're gonna

1082
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: be able to beat and block the guy opposite you.

1083
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: That would be my concern. I had him as a

1084
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: third round pick. He was a four year starter at

1085
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: left tackle for North Carolina, and te I liked his hands,

1086
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: his punch, his agility, and his footwork. What I questioned

1087
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: was level of competition. And here's the wind. That goes

1088
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: into what you just said, his ability to anchor. And

1089
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: when you're six five six eight, I'm sorry, three hundred

1090
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: five pounds, you know that's a bit lean and you

1091
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: have to be able to anchor. You can't get pushed around,

1092
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: you can't have your feet moving backwards. Um. So you

1093
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: know he's gonna have to add some bulk, especially you know,

1094
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: through his legs as he tries to to you know,

1095
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: deal with the leverage that many players are going to

1096
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: use against him. Let's add back to the phone lines.

1097
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: Warren is in Wyoming, Warren, what's happening? Hey, guys, thanks

1098
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: for taking my call. Appreciated, Thanks for making it what

1099
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: you Hey, I want to continue the narrative about taking Nelson.

1100
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: I just think the value for Barkley at one is

1101
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: just not quite there. First of all, I going gonna

1102
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: place six years or so. And then second all, I

1103
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: don't think we have the old line to you know,

1104
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: really utilize them. But my main thing, I'm on you

1105
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: guys are giving your opinion. I have a pass for

1106
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: the draft, and I'm go wondering what you guys thought

1107
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: about this. We were on the clock at two and

1108
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: we called the gap and say, hey, the bills gotten

1109
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: off for us. We can't refuse, but we'd rather trade

1110
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: with you guys, uh and just trade it back. We

1111
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: don't deal with them. I almost take as little as

1112
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: their third round pick for the swap because we know

1113
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: they're going quarterback and if we're if we know we're

1114
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: going Nelson, it doesn't hurt us at all. We'll take

1115
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: whatever they offer. And then you can almost do the

1116
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: same thing I can with the ground because I don't

1117
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: think they're going They're gonna go Barkley probably at four.

1118
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: Then we bumped back, we got a couple of bonus picks,

1119
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: and we still get the guy we want. Well, but

1120
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 1: remember it all depends on if you're the Jets and

1121
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: you like two quarterbacks, then I think probably gonna say

1122
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: to themselves, why are we going to give up another

1123
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: resource to move up one spot when we're content with

1124
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: of these next two picks, we're gonna get one of

1125
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: our guys. They've already emptied to covered with the three

1126
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: number two beds we did. That's another good reason why

1127
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: I find it highly doubtful that they would even want

1128
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: to move up one spot just for us three. You

1129
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: don't think they already gave up. I mean, keep him

1130
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: on more. And they gave up three twos to move

1131
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: with the Colts. Now you want to give up another three?

1132
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta start asking yourself. There's more to

1133
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: building a team than just your first round pick, right,

1134
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: all right, Paul, who do you like? For if we're

1135
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: gonna go uh running back on the stick around? Who

1136
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: do you like? I'll take a pick it off the air?

1137
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: All right, Warreant, thanks a way to appreciate it. I

1138
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: I really really like guys, but I don't think he's

1139
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: gonna be there. Um. I would probably lean more towards

1140
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: Chubb because I think he provides more of the power

1141
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: running game that the Giants don't necessarily have right now.

1142
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: I think Michelle will be the more explosive back, but

1143
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: I probably think Chubbs are better fit for what the

1144
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: Giants need. Yeah, I would agree with you. I really

1145
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: like Michelle too, and I like Rashotte Penny as well.

1146
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some concerns about you know, past pretention

1147
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: in this in that, but Penny's got the special teams

1148
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: as that Barkley also brings to the table, so that's appealing.

1149
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's a great deal of depth at

1150
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: running back. If they don't go Barkley, let's say number two,

1151
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: I still think that Gihant is gonna be in a

1152
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: position in the second round they would if they want

1153
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: to go that route, they should be able to walk

1154
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: away with somebody who could come in and you know,

1155
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: be a good uh part of that man before we

1156
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: kick it out. The question was asked to me by John,

1157
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, do you want Barkley and one of those

1158
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in the second round or do you want

1159
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: Nelson and then one of the running backs on the

1160
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 1: second round? Which one would you favor? And I think

1161
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: Barkley and somebody like Price or Ragne or one of

1162
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: those guys. To me, that's the better selection. But I

1163
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: think you know, will go wrong with either one of them.

1164
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 1: Well that's what's gonna be my response. They can't go wrong.

1165
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: I think either one of those combinations a good situation

1166
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: to be. But it's a good question to give some

1167
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: school of thought about, you know, do you go for

1168
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: the best running back and then maybe that second third

1169
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, or do you go with the best offensive

1170
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: lineman and then settle of that second third running back.

1171
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: It's good combination. Just just to make it clear, value

1172
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: will meet need at the top of the second round

1173
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: for either running back or aligned because there are enough

1174
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: of good quality players at both positions where you can

1175
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: mesh value and need and not have any problem doing so. Now,

1176
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: this is your last show before the draft. Yeah, am

1177
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: I wrong about right? Do you want to go on

1178
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: the record take a Barkley? Don't wanted to give you

1179
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: the opportunity to that, so there's no question marks conversation.

1180
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: All right, you're heard at first say Kwan Barkley, Paul

1181
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: to Tinobine, how am I gonna back out right here?

1182
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get the trades. It's not gonna that

1183
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: the trade is not gonna happen, Barkley, all right. I

1184
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure that you looked into the

1185
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: count folks. We gotta go to press. All right. We'll

1186
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: be back up and running tomorrow now in the Eastern

1187
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: getting a set in the draft. Taking your full calls

1188
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: from Paula Tino. I'm Lance Meadow and joy the rest

1189
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: of your Tuesday right here on jihants dot com. Have

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Speaker 1: a going