WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 101522 How Corrupt Can One Police Department Be? (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:06.080 And now move my mic back. You're like that. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:12.039 Strikes with waters from headquarters behind him to be. 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:15.560 But if you're just tuning in the civic cipher, I'm 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.119 your host, Ramses, Yeah, I am q Ward. You are 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.279 listening to Civic Excite, you should sit around with got 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.239 a lot more show in store for you. We're gonna 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:32.720 be talking about a very uncool police department. And no 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:37.000 I'm not talking about all day. It's funny because there's 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.479 more than one. But yeah, we're gonna talk about the 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.960 Kansas City Police Department. Also, we're gonna tell a little 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:50.800 story about a black couple who helped build the Greenwood 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.040 District in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which you may know of as 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.800 Black Wall Street. You know, for our way Black History fact, 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.400 we tell stories to give you some context, so you 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.080 know that our story runs a lot deeper. And we're 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.080 not just We didn't just start in the eighties with 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.400 EASYE you know. We you know whatever you might think, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.200 we got to bring some game to you. You're not 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.240 getting it in school, so as what we're here for, 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.120 so stick around for that. 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Starting in twenty twenty one, And 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:43.560 in twenty twenty one, Jay Z's Team Rock files a 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.840 lawsuit against the Kansas City Police, citing a laundry list 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:54.920 of complaints about abuse. Now, if you've listened to the 0:03:54.960 --> 0:04:00.280 show before, you recognize that we talk about police about 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.960 as much as we talk about politics. Those are the 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.920 two big pillars upon which this show was founded and 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.040 the reason that the show exists. I remember us saying 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.320 this early on, we wish we didn't have to do 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.480 this show. We wish we could do another hip hop show. 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.280 That's where we come from. We used to break new 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.000 music and you know, we're DJs. This is where we 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.800 come from. And the reason we do this show is 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.200 because it's necessary. Nobody talks about this stuff in long 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:30.200 form format in this space on hip hop radio formats. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:31.839 And I know that we have some other formats around 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.479 the country that carry out program as well, and we 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:39.280 appreciate all of you, but these conversations, they don't exist 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.799 in the circles where we come from, and we felt 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.840 like we could contribute something meaningful. Again, if you listen 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.760 to our show, you recognize that we talk about policing 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.440 a lot. Policing is the one thing that a lot 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.440 of Black people brush up against, a lot of brown 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.080 people brush up against a lot of our Native brothers 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:01.400 and sisters, brush up against even our Api brothers as sisters, 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:07.640 you know what I mean, And it doesn't feel it doesn't. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.760 And then you know, for black people especially there is 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:15.600 like like statistical evidence that shows that we aren't treated fairly. 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:26.120 So when we talk about another police department to you, 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:27.880 it may sound again, if you listen to the show, 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.400 to you, it may sound like here we go again again, right, 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.599 But seldom do we get to do a deep dive 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.599 like this where we can really pick apart exactly how 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:45.520 deep corruption can run, exactly how much is covered up 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:52.320 and for how long, exactly how much harm can be 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:59.000 done to a community by what are effectually bullies who 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.599 have blown community support from a not insignificant part and 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:10.240 segment of the population, namely the population whose interests the 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.600 police protect and defend and espouse. In other words, if 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.840 you look like the police officers. Yeah, I'm trying to 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.159 say something without saying it, so please hear between my words. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.159 If you look like the police officers, you might not 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:31.000 see what the effect of policing can do and the 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.840 extent that they go to cover it up. And you 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:38.320 are espousing this group of people who are perpetuating harm 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.239 on a community that you may have turned a blind 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:42.880 eye to because you don't live that life. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.640 Their interesting thing is how selective they've become with that 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.960 loyalty and support. Though, as we're going to do a 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:49.960 deep dive in to. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:51.480 Say this now before we get there. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:55.720 Go ahead, Well, you'll see that when law enforcement has 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.960 to police law enforcement, then they start talking about defunding 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.000 law enforcement. Oh yeah, especially in cases like the FBI 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:14.120 going after their leader and or the police. They don't understand, 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.560 they can't wrap there. Yeah, there has to be some 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.960 some form of corruption or whatever. Law enforcement is no 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:20.880 longer law enforcement. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:25.320 It's corruption. It's the deep state, it's you know, these. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.120 Conspiracy They're doing what I want them to do. We 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.400 have to back the move. If they don't do what 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.520 I want, then if they do anything different, however, they're 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.280 by nature corrupt and should be defunded. I'm glad you 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:36.640 said that. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:43.960 All right, So jay Z's team rock I file a 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.360 lawsuit against the Kansas City Police, citing a laundry list 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:48.360 of complaints about abuse. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:53.200 That's September twenty twenty one. Let's move on. This part 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.960 of our story comes from the Black Information Network. The 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:02.320 headline is FBI arrests former detectives accused of sexually praying 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.960 on black women. I'll read this. Police detective in Kansas 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:11.520 has been charged with federal civil rights crimes involving sexual assault. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:22.400 On September fifteenth, retired detective Roger Golubski, sixty nine, was 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.960 arrested after a federal grand jury indicted him on six 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.800 counts related to the rape of two women accused. He 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.600 was accused of raping two black women and forcing them 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:42.880 to perform sexual acts on him in his vehicle and 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.840 at their homes while he was working for the Kansas 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:53.040 City Police Department. So we haven't even talked about the 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.880 laundry list of stuff from the Rockefeller or the jay 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:01.360 Z lawsuit. Right, this is a whole new thing, right 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:06.280 from the same police department. This is a detective, police 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:12.920 detective and he was raping black women. Looks like this 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:17.440 was an ongoing thing, and he was doing this in 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.920 uniform in his car. Right. 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:29.800 So the corruption of power, the perversion of authority. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.240 And you know, we're talking about black people again, So 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.200 I'm hoping you're still with us. We told those white stories, 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.079 so you know, just try to stretch that empathy a 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:39.840 little bit because we have beating hearts and we love 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.600 our families and we want our tomorrow to be better 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.200 than today. We're just like you. We have consciousness from 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.040 the same creator, whoever you decide that is right. And 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.000 this is the sort of thing that happens. And again, folks, 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.240 especially when it's black people, folks call it, you know, 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.040 collateral damage. They say it's a few bad apples, they say. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:09.000 They don't realize that a system that gives blind loyalty, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.720 what do you call it? You call it carte blanche, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.479 and you call it something else where they there's no consequences. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.600 I love how you say it. Impunity. That's another one 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:25.800 where it's like, you know, if you were the bully 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:27.679 in high school, if the girls didn't like you in 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.840 high school, whatever, whatever it was, your story is, and 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.600 you get a little older and you decide, I'm going 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.199 to be a police officer. There's nothing to screen these 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.320 people out. And even if there was, it's so easy 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.280 to get through a screening process. You ask, answer a 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.880 couple questions the right way, and you know, boom, your 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.920 here's a badge and a gun. Go out and do 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:54.880 whatever right. And the problem, I think is that when 0:10:54.920 --> 0:11:01.920 we're dealing with police officers, when we're dealing with people 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.480 that have this type of authority that can move with impunity, 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:13.000 and we empower them, we support them, we call them heroes. Right, 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.480 it's a job. A hero, in my opinion, is when 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.320 you do something above and beyond your job, like there 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.880 was no money involved, you did something truly heroic. You know, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.640 being a hero because you put on a certain uniform. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.040 I feel like that's you know, that's set in the 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.440 bar kind of low, you know what I mean. I 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.480 wouldn't call myself a hero unless I did something heroic, right. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:42.760 But as far as the story with this officer and 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:47.080 these people, the collateral damage part of it, the few 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.320 bad apples part of it, that's the part that makes 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.840 it very difficult because oftentimes when we tell black stories, 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:59.560 this is the way that the opposition to our narrative 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.400 frames it. Well, you know, there's some bad apples, there's 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.480 you know, and they don't look at a system that 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.560 blindly support like that empowers these people, makes them feel 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.720 like they're gods among men. And when we look at 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.480 examples like this over and over and over and over. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.880 Again, you have another example here. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:23.040 Oh man, same police department. Please pile on, all right, 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:27.000 let's do it. So the next one comes from CNN, 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.880 same police department. This comes from late September twenty twenty two. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.920 So it's this same police department, same month, same year. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:41.280 Yeah, this comes y a CNN. The Department of Justice 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:47.600 is investigating allegations that Kansas City police racially discriminated against 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:52.000 black officers, so there's a whole new dynamic to this. 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.600 The US Department of Justice is investigating whether the Kansas 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.000 City Police Department in Missouri engaged in a pattern of 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.560 racial discrimination against black officers. According to a letter sent 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:06.480 to the agency Monday, quote our investigation is based on 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:11.040 information suggesting that KCPD may be engaged in certain employment 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:15.319 practices that discriminate against black officers and applicants. The letter 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:22.360 provided to CNN by the police department reads, investigators will 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:27.439 be looking into allegations involving race based disparities and hiring promotions, 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:32.920 detective assignments, disciplining officers, and maintaining a hostile work environment. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.120 The DOJ said in the letter, police commissioners welcome federal 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:41.679 civil rights investigation into the KCPD. The president of the 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:49.640 police board says commissioners welcome a federal investigation and the 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.520 US Department of Justices civil rights investigation may be the 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.880 result of a number of recent lawsuits by police officers 0:13:55.920 --> 0:14:00.560 accusing the police department of racial discrimination and retaliation. Last month, 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.920 a police detective sued KCPD, claiming he was punished for 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:08.200 reporting another officer's illegal search, and April, a sergeant sued 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.240 over alleged racial profofiling during a traffic stop, and two 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:15.199 black female officers sued the department alleging discrimination, retaliation, and 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:20.320 a hostile work environment. Okay, so I want to take 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.120 a moment to talk about black officers. Let's talk about 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.080 black officers in the Deep South, but you know all 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:33.080 over you know, the South. We have recent examples of 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.960 black officers in the South doing some real anti black stuff. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.160 It doesn't have to be specific to black officers in 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:46.120 the South. I think the environment is unique for black 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.720 officers in areas that are not highly populated by black 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:56.400 people or that are only populated by black people, because 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.400 those present two very very different sets of circumstances, but 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.000 both of which are kind of tricky for set officers. 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.840 Right when you're policing a community where everyone looks like you, 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.920 what we have to say out loud is that bad 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.480 people exist because matter of what color they are, you 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.400 know what I mean. So police officers are going to 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.800 encounter some people that are bad, that are black. The 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.080 same is going to be said in the reverse. However, 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:30.280 being a police officer does not remove you from being 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.880 a person. So just like bad people exist, bad people 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.640 can become police officers, ladies and gentlemen to them. I 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.440 hate to have to say that to you, like you're 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.760 a fourth grader, but sometimes we remove our own logic 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.080 from the idea that just by nature of having passed, 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.120 you know, whatever screening and that was involved to become 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.840 an officer taking an oath, that you are by nature 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.680 a good person because of it. That's that's just not 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.840 how life works. The interesting position that you're put in 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.000 when you're a black officer in the community where no 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.800 one looks like you versus being one in the community 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.920 where everyone looks like you, and how different that might 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.160 be if your partner does or doesn't look like you, 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.880 And just all the different challenges that come from upholding 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:22.040 a system that is biased nature decide, designed to put 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.680 its boot on the face and the neck of people 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.760 that look like you. It's a really really interesting, dynamic, 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:33.600 and really complex set of circumstances for black police officers, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.720 not just in the Deep South, but more specifically in 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.760 those environments that are that have polarity. Right. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:53.040 Well, there's something else to consider here. When you think 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.800 of a black officer, you know, you might not think 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.320 that a black officers capable of being racist against black people. 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.040 You know, not UQ, but our listeners. Yeah, no, I know, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.560 I know you know this. You're from the motor right 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:14.240 from that d yes, sir, so I know that. But 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.000 but but you are listener, you might not think about 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:18.879 it like that. You know, you might think the solution 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.439 to all these systemic policing issues is that we need 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.120 to have more black officers in the community. So let 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.600 me help you with this. So let's take the Kansas 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:29.560 City Police department. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:30.000 Right. 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:37.240 If you are a good person and you happen to 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:43.639 be black, right, and you report in Kansas or we 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:45.399 shared these stories in the South. This is why I 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.399 mentioned this out. You're a good person and you're black 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.560 in that order, and you see a fellow officer doing 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:56.680 something that's not all the way right, and you report that, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.959 you see the backlash here. We talked about this before. 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.080 Now your job is threatning, your hostile work environment, this, that, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.240 and the third right, and that happens now your life 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.159 is threatened. All of that, all of that, and that 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.159 happens to to white officers too. But I want to 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.800 make a point about black officers here. Now watch this, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.439 and this is why I wanted to make sure that 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.480 you knew that if you think that black officers, more 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:30.199 black officers is the solution to the systemic issue, that 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.320 you had an idea framework. We can do the stought 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:37.040 experiment together. So let's say you are not a good 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.400 person and you happen to be black, and you don't 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.720 want to report, you know, on the other officers in 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:55.520 your department that are misbehaving. Put it kindly, mildly that 0:18:55.720 --> 0:19:00.040 at best means you're complicit, and at worse means that 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:03.960 you're doing everything in your power to fit in with 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:11.919 your white fellow officers, meaning that you are perpetuating the 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:16.560 same type of oppression, the same type of white supremacy 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.080 as the white officers. It's very easy for a black 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:27.480 person to perpetuate white supremacist ideas and bring harm to communities. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.119 It's very easy for people to feel like they are 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.160 above other people. That's not a police and normal person. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.720 Think that's also a black officer over other black people. 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.840 Thing that badge and that gun. We've elevated these folks. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:42.840 And the thing is the reason I keep saying this 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:44.920 that you might think that this is normal. Yeah, well 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.800 you get a little bit of authority bubble. That means 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:51.159 to me that you haven't traveled between me and Q 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.679 we've seen most of the earth. They don't do it 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.240 like that in other countries. In other countries, the police 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.600 fear the people. The police work for the people. Now, 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.920 your mind might short circuit when I say that, because 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:06.840 you're like, well, police shouldn't be afraid of the people. 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.720 The police should be the ones in charge. Of course 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.440 we need order, and of course, you know, and when 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:16.080 you're dealing with you know, an individual, you know, Yeah, 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.479 the police at the end of the day should have 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.600 the final say that. I think that's true in most 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.760 parts of the world, you know, because there are people who, 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:25.760 you know, overstep and we need folks to come in 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:30.040 and say it's right, recognize that right. But there's a 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:34.440 healthy concern for police if they don't do their job 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:38.160 the right way. In other countries, they are afraid of 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:43.600 the people plural right, more often than is true here, 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.000 or the people singularly. 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:48.480 That's why it's scary. 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.679 Talk to me, so explain that they are. 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:55.000 Afraid of the people singularly, that entire group as one, 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:01.240 holding you accountable doing the job properly. Same right, the 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:06.440 people plural. Here is the problem. Our message, our voice, 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.920 our stance, our position is not singular at all. The 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:16.040 partisan and opinion cares us a part of the way. 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.040 Then the face of what's right, we just want to 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:21.760 do what's opposed to them. 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.040 As long as we're doing the opposite of what they're doing, 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:24.560 we don't. 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:25.680 Even care what's right or wrong. 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:26.120 No more. 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:31.119 Right, our stance right now is back to blue and 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.960 blue lives matter because it's opposed to whatever they're saying. 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:37.359 We got to talk about that eventually. 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.320 As soon as it ain't that no more, then we 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.880 don't really care about blue lives because on that day 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.679 in jan January sixth, they might not have been on 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:50.000 the same thing as us, so they got way their 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:54.320 lives got way less valuable that day. Again, that's another conversation. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.119 But as you said, the people you said plural, But 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.560 I think it's more. I see what you're saying that 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.520 account ability is there and you can't just do whatever 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:04.200 you want because you feel like it, because you might 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.280 not just lose your job, but you might end up 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:07.200 in prison as well. 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:10.640 There you go. The accountability is way different, and they're 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.840 very again, they're very easy, low hanging options that we 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.800 can do to put more police accountability into the equation. 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:21.520 Even one of them would change the optics of the narrative. 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.639 Change is shift the paradigm entirely. Even if it's just 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:29.240 officers carry personal insurance and if they if the lawsuit 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:32.359 comes up, then they're unensurable, unemployable, you know what I mean. 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.400 Anyone of it can put the guns in the true 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.760 The lawyer can lose their life, the leader practice law, 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:38.720 and a doctor as well. 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:39.120 Talk. 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.439 Police should lose the privilege to be able to be 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:45.480 an officer if there's gross misconduct keep talking, you know 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:47.199 what I mean. You should not be able to We're 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.480 going to use this word again, violate the laws that 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.600 the citizens you're policing have to live up to with impunity. 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:56.320 You shouldn't just be able to. I like when you 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:58.840 talk like that, you know what I mean. So again, 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:03.680 I think people will get confused with what we're upset about. 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:05.879 And I want to I want to make sure that 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:10.800 I that I clear that up. I historically have been 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.040 this is rams is talking. That's my name, it's all 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:21.840 my birth studio have been critical of policing the institution 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.520 the way it is done. It could be better. And again, 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:27.960 as long as I have a microphone and a satellite 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:31.760 dish or two, I'm gonna keep saying it. The individuals 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:36.240 are part of a system that empowers often the worst 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:42.280 parts of them human beings, and they are not beyond redemption. 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:46.359 The system I believe is, you know, we need to 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:51.120 change it fundamentally, but the human beings are not beyond redemption. 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.640 I do believe in forgiveness. I do believe in having 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.439 love at the center of the narrative. And this is 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:03.520 how this conversation sounds. And I don't really know how 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.560 else to put any more sugar on that one for you, 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.080 but I don't think you need it, because that's pretty. 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.160 You said that as gracefully as it could be said. 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.080 Thank you. All right, Well, it's time for the way 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:20.640 Black History Fact stretched my leg a little bit, all right. 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.000 Today's Way Black History Fact is sponsored by Hip Hopweekly 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:28.240 Media and our story comes from history dot com. Before 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:31.320 the Tulsa race massacre, where the city's black district of 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:33.560 Greenwood was attacked by a white mob, resulting in two 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.359 days of bloodshed and destruction, the area had been considered 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.440 one of the most affluent African American communities in the 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.120 United States for the early part of the twentieth century. 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.520 The Massacre, which began on May thirty first, nineteen twenty one, 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:47.879 and left hundreds of Black residents dead and one thousand 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:54.320 houses destroyed, often overshadows the history of the Black enclave itself. 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.280 Greenwood District, with a population of ten thousand at that time, 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.240 had thrived as the epicenter of act African American business 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:06.360 and culture, particularly on bustling Greenwood Avenue, commonly known as 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.440 Black Wall Street. Founded in nineteen oh six, Greenwood was 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:13.320 developed on Indian territory, the vast area where Native American 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.840 tribes had been forced to relocate, which encompasses much of 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:20.719 modern day eastern Oklahoma. Some African Americans, who had been 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:25.560 former slaves of the tribes and subsequently integrated into tribal communities, 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:29.000 acquired allotted lands in Greenwood through the DAWs Act, a 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.560 US law that gave land to individual Native Americans, and 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:36.119 many black sharecroppers fleeing racial oppression relocated to the region 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:38.400 as well in search of a better life. Post Civil War, 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:44.960 Oklahoma begins to be promoted as a safe haven for 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:50.840 African Americans who start to come particularly host emancipation to 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:55.240 Indian territory, says Michelle Place, executive director of the Tulsa 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:59.160 Historical Society and Museum. The largest number of black townships 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.200