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Speaker 1: Monday edition of The Clay Travis end Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1: starts right now. Everybody, thank you for joining us much

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Speaker 1: to get to first up a little roadmap for you.

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Speaker 1: We have Senator rand Paul be joining us this hour,

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Speaker 1: bottom of the hour on the destruction of due process,

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Speaker 1: some big COVID news, and some other news of the day.

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Speaker 1: We always enjoy talking to Senator Rand Paul. Doctor Ben

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Speaker 1: Carson second hour. You all know him from well just

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Speaker 1: being amazing. He's the retired neurosurgeon, former HUD secretary under Trump.

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Speaker 1: He's got a new book out and is talked about

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Speaker 1: as a possible VP candidate. And I have to say

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say odds on favorite. We'll ask him about it,

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Speaker 1: of course, but Clay, I think fair to say if

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Speaker 1: you were the choice, strong choice, and nobody would be

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Speaker 1: chocked or taken aback at it. I mean it would,

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Speaker 1: it would make it. It's I think nothing but upside.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a upside choice, no downside for a

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Speaker 1: President Trump's ticket if you were to go with doctor Carson.

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk to about that. Also, just such a

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Speaker 1: brilliant and humble man. Brilliant and humble is such a

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Speaker 1: nice commendation. In politics these days, you don't get a

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Speaker 1: lot of that. You get a lot of the other

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Speaker 1: You get a lot of dumb and arrogant. But doctor

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Speaker 1: Carson brilliant, humble. We'll talk to him in just a bit.

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Speaker 1: The fact that the governor of New York and Chuck Schumer,

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Speaker 1: I think now too, right, Well, they both were trying

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Speaker 1: to show us how to grill over the weekend. You

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Speaker 1: see this, they pulled it down. Yeah, operating a grill

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Speaker 1: with stone cold burgers on it. You know, it's like,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna do the photo op, turn on the grill,

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Speaker 1: you know, actually, grill, don't go through. Don't be a

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Speaker 1: mime standing at the grill. Hokeeal and Schumer's pretty funny.

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Speaker 1: It goes to my thing, Buck, of just be normal.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how many politicians can't just be normal, like

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Speaker 1: just be a normal person. Of course, but you know,

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Speaker 1: if you ever have to be told just be normal,

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Speaker 1: it's because you have difficulty being normal. Right, So that's

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Speaker 1: it's kind it's kind of a self fulfilling proposition. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: we will talk about some of this. They're thinking about

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Speaker 1: banning masks on the subway and this is deja vu

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Speaker 1: for me. I on safety concerns because early on the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: you know, right about when there was a massive increase

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Speaker 1: in all kinds of crime, particularly violent crime, across the country.

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Speaker 1: I said, masks. You know, whether you're watching an old

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Speaker 1: Western or you're you know, everyone knows the guys with

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Speaker 1: the masks on are the bad guys, you know, the

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Speaker 1: ones who are hiding their faces. And now they're thinking

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Speaker 1: about trying to ban them on the subway. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that debate. I think that is really interesting. And

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Speaker 1: we've got some other things too, like Rubio big column

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Speaker 1: on whether he'll.

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Speaker 2: Be the VP. Clay we'll discuss because we're getting close now.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we're a couple of weeks out from when

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Speaker 1: a few weeks whatever, a month out from when Trump

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Speaker 1: is going to have to say who the VP is

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Speaker 1: going to be. And we'll dive into that.

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Speaker 2: But I need to start with this because I have

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Speaker 2: no choice.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is my of all the news cycle

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Speaker 1: stories we get into the look at Biden, he's so decrepit,

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Speaker 1: you know, because and Clay's going to give you the

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Speaker 1: counterpoint or the you know, the other side of this point.

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Speaker 1: A bit, but I have to talk about it because

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Speaker 1: everyone's talking about it. He was at a star studded

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Speaker 1: That's what you have to always say for celebrities. You know,

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Speaker 1: some of those celebrities I don't know, haven't done anything

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Speaker 3: There's actually an interesting article that Biden is only able

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Speaker 3: to get celebrities over the age of fifty now, which

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Speaker 3: again I'm cautiously optimistic that we got some data that

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Speaker 3: younger people, and I'm defining younger broadly as under fifty,

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Speaker 3: are making rational choices in a way that frankly, people

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Speaker 3: older than fifty, particularly in Hollywood celebrity ranks, even aren't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the the defensive democracy argument, I had thought it

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Speaker 1: would be residenting mostly clay with the purple haired nos

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Speaker 1: ring you know, hashtag resistance crowd. It's actually a lot

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Speaker 1: there's been a shift. There are older people who think

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Speaker 1: that Biden is somehow a guardian of democracy versus Trump.

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Speaker 1: But but first up, we've got to so I said,

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Speaker 1: star studied fundraiser. That was the big thing in California.

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Speaker 1: There's this there's this fundraiser and we can't. You know,

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Speaker 1: put the clip up at clanbuck dot com. It's just

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Speaker 1: for easy access. You can go see it there. But

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Speaker 1: Biden had one of his you know, looks like he

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Speaker 1: doesn't know where he is. And Obama has to come along,

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Speaker 1: as we've all done with elderly relatives of our own

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Speaker 1: And you see Biden's legs walking, you know, very mechanically,

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Speaker 1: very slowly and unsteadily, and it's just a bad visual.

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Speaker 1: And now I open up, I open up all these

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Speaker 1: websites and to hand this to Clay so you can

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Speaker 1: tell me what he thinks is going on here. Daily

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Speaker 1: Mail secret Democrat Democrat plot to replace Biden revealed how Clinton, Obama,

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Speaker 1: Pelosi and Schumer will topple the aging president and when

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Speaker 1: they'll do it. I open up the New York Post.

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Speaker 1: Top of the New York Post right now. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the headline is killing Dems softly. The Obama Biden arm

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Speaker 1: grab wasn't just a senior moment. This is Piers Morgan's piece.

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Speaker 1: It was when everyone realized the president is not fit

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Speaker 1: for office. Clay, I'm sticking with it. I think I agree,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's going to change anything. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be a lot of this talk until the debate,

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Speaker 1: and then they'll pop them full of whatever they have

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Speaker 1: to for the debate, and they'll get through the summer

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Speaker 1: telling everybody that he's just got four more years at him.

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Speaker 1: Are you feeling more and more confident in your last

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Speaker 1: minute palace coup idea?

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Speaker 2: I am? I am? I mean?

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I think we got to talk

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Speaker 3: also about black voters per CNN abandoning Biden in big number.

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Speaker 1: Here's what's going on. You see that, by the way,

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Speaker 1: he's going for the He's going for two bets there.

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Speaker 1: He's going for steak dinner. And on top of this,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to send him to the Spa for

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Speaker 1: the weekend or something double stak dinner. You might have

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Speaker 3: It's like when you're deciding to go from a motel

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Speaker 3: to hotel when you're playing Monopoly and you've got a

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Speaker 3: good run going. But I look at this right now,

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Speaker 3: and I've always thought June twenty seventh, which is next Thursday,

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Speaker 3: was a super strange date to decide to do a debate.

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Speaker 3: And when this date came out, I saw it as

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Speaker 3: an extreme sign of weakness, because if you're the incumbent president,

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Speaker 3: why in the world, Remember, incumbent presidents typically do pretty

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Speaker 3: poorly in the very first debate.

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Speaker 2: Think about that. Historically, We've talked about it on this program.

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Speaker 3: Mitt Romney wiped the floor with Barack Obama in the

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Speaker 3: twenty twelve first presidential debate.

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Speaker 1: At a shocking level, at a level that Democrats were

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Speaker 3: Yes, and then we saw, I thought to be fair,

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Speaker 3: Trump was the worst version of himself in the first

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Speaker 3: debate in twenty twenty against Biden. And you wonder why

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Speaker 3: is that. Typically it's because the president, in some way,

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Speaker 3: this president, more so than almost anyone, is coddled inside

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Speaker 3: of their own bubble. And when you become the president

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Speaker 3: of the United States, a lot of people exist to

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Speaker 3: tell you that you're doing an amazing job. And for

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Speaker 3: this president, who takes almost no questions for the press,

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Speaker 3: who certainly is not, let's be honest, able to aggressively

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Speaker 3: consume media on his own It's not like Biden is

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Speaker 3: sitting around late at night in the Oval office assessing

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Speaker 3: overall perspectives on his performance so far. I think that

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Speaker 3: they are setting him up with a prove it or

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Speaker 3: go home stop performance here on June twenty seventh. And

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Speaker 3: here's my rationale. But let me just lay it out

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Speaker 3: for you, Buck. The numbers haven't moved. So they said, hey, look,

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Speaker 3: State of the Union, We're going to show how good

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Speaker 3: we are. Numbers didn't move. They said, hey, we're going

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Speaker 3: to nail Trump with thirty four different felony charges. Numbers

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Speaker 3: don't move. That suggests to me that most people have

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Speaker 3: made up their mind about Trump and Biden and that

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Speaker 3: they aren't going to adjust. At some point you recognize

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Speaker 3: that that's the case. And what I've said is, I

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Speaker 3: think on June twenty seventh he's going to perform poorly,

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Speaker 3: and even though the standard is low, I think he's

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Speaker 3: not going to do well enough, and then you'll have

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Speaker 3: a long break. It was odd, Buck, think about this.

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Speaker 3: The timing on it's weird too. If you really want

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Speaker 3: to hit the ground running, June twenty seventh immediately leads

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Speaker 3: into July fourth weekend. Most people you and me included,

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Speaker 3: are going to be out with our family somewhere. Friends.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to be sitting around debating politics. It's

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Speaker 3: a Thursday, by money, everybody's going to be on the

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Speaker 3: road getting ready for July fourth, So all of this

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Speaker 3: I think they'll have a major discussion over the July

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Speaker 3: fourth holiday, and I think sometime in July he'll announce

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Speaker 3: that he's freeing his delegates and the real battle begins.

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Speaker 1: So I will I will indulge further this theory.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think are people all of you

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Speaker 1: right now. I think it's maybe fifty to fifty, but

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Speaker 1: it might be sixty forty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's close. Those who think that it won't

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Speaker 1: But I want to indulge this theory for a second.

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Speaker 1: And it's also an opportunity for me to throw out

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Speaker 1: there that the most respected and consistently accurate polster out

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Speaker 1: of Des Moines Des Moines Register and Seltzer has right

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Speaker 1: now Trump at fifty percent, Joe Biden at thirty two percent.

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Speaker 1: Now Trump one Iowa twenty sixteen and twenty twenty he

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Speaker 1: did not win Iowa by almost twenty points.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, this is an.

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Speaker 1: Absolute shock poll moment because this is not a poll.

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Speaker 1: This isn't somebody who's oh, it's a Trump pollster. It's

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Speaker 1: not a you know, it's not some week online poll

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Speaker 1: or something on the Drudger poll all the time. She's

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Speaker 1: always right. Yes, she's considered the best pollster for the

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Speaker 1: state of Iowa. And she is an RFK junior. Let

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Speaker 1: me add is at nine percent. So that also adds

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Speaker 1: to maybe part of why Biden is so far behind

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Speaker 1: right because he may be losing some considerable support in

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Speaker 1: Iowa to RFK Junior. So we can return to this

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Speaker 1: out though. Is that's a that's a warning sign, that's

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Speaker 1: a a an oh my gosh moment. I think for

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Speaker 1: Democrats right now, and I don't like to overstate their concerns,

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Speaker 1: but Clay, how do they get around the issue of

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Speaker 1: And this is what.

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Speaker 2: I keep remember.

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Speaker 1: I've said along Biden, it'll be Biden or Kamala. Said

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Speaker 1: Biden or Kamala. The argument or the debate is over

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Speaker 1: whether there's some other plan, which the Daily Mail is

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Speaker 1: saying now and here's Morgan and everyone's saying, Remember, it's

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Speaker 1: not just replacing a president. It's replacing a president and

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And that's how do you get around the Kamala factor

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Speaker 2: As we roll closer and closer.

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Speaker 3: To next week's debate, and I would say things continue

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Speaker 1: even for Democrats, which means a lot of dirty tricks

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Speaker 1: and a lot of things that I would expect. I

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Speaker 1: can't anticipate what the thing would be that would change this.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that I can see, Okay, I know

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Speaker 1: there's a theory about their placement, and I'm not I'm

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Speaker 1: not sitting here saying that can happen. I'm just thinking

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to happen. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: anything as possible. I do think that the debate is

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Speaker 1: what they're this is going to be the highest stakes

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Speaker 1: presidential debate in memory, because I think it can either

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Speaker 1: be the beginning of a new trend for Biden or

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Speaker 1: it could be they need to do something crazy to

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Speaker 1: figure this out. Right, So that's how I'm seeing it.

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Speaker 1: Because the Iowa numbers, nobody who follows politics Clay can

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Speaker 1: dismiss those Iowa numbers.

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Speaker 2: Nobody.

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Speaker 1: No one's gonna say, oh, that's a bad poll or

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that those numbers are catastrophic for

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Speaker 1: Biden in a state that has real implications for the

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Speaker 1: Democrat strategy, which is to win the Roust belt states.

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Speaker 3: Not only that, to your point, I even think the poll,

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Speaker 3: I mean, sorry, the debate next week, next Thursday.

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Speaker 2: For Biden.

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Speaker 3: The problem that Biden has is even if they shoot

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Speaker 3: him up with every drug known to man and he

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Speaker 3: goes out there and he performs on a somewhat decent level,

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Speaker 3: That's what he did at the State of the Union,

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Speaker 3: and then there's going to be some campaigning situation. They

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Speaker 3: can't hide him in the basement in the same way

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Speaker 3: that they did before, whether it's Obama having to lead

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Speaker 3: him off the stage, whether it's at the Juneteenth celebration

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Speaker 3: just seeming to kind of have a catatonic moment, whether

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Speaker 3: it was at the G seven where at times it

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Speaker 3: appears that he loses his train of thought as to

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Speaker 3: where he is.

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Speaker 2: That to me, is the problem for him.

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Speaker 3: Even if they shoot him up with everything and he

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Speaker 3: does okay June twenty seventh, there's gonna be a viral

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Speaker 3: video of him somewhere on the campaign trail within the

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Speaker 3: next ten days that completely contradicts whatever we see on

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Speaker 3: June twenty seventh.

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Speaker 2: And that's a best case scenario.

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Speaker 3: He could also freeze up like he did at the

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Speaker 3: Juneteenth Celebration and like he did at the Obama big

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Speaker 3: fundraiser out in LA That could happen for him again.

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Speaker 3: And what do you say at that point in time

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Speaker 3: and all of this rolls in together, Buck, I want

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Speaker 3: to play this audio for you of CNN. This is

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Speaker 3: the other thing we've been talking about Black voters under

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Speaker 3: the age of fifty. That is, younger Black voters, particularly men,

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Speaker 3: are breaking away from Joe Biden right now in numbers

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Speaker 3: that stagger even CNN. I believe this is Harry Inton

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Speaker 3: on CNN taught with Jim Acosta of all people, talking

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Speaker 3: about the numbers and how very strong they are for

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Speaker 3: Trump and bad they are for Biden among black voters.

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Speaker 2: Listen to cut one.

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Speaker 5: Look at Black voters under the age of fifty. Holy cow, folks,

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Speaker 5: holy col Look at us. Joe Biden was up by

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Speaker 5: eighty points among.

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Speaker 2: This group back.

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Speaker 1: At this point in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 5: Look at where that margin has careem down towards it's now.

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Speaker 5: Just get this, thirty seven points. That lead has dropped

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Speaker 5: by more than half. Mister Berman home, I just I've

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Speaker 5: never seen.

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Speaker 2: Anything like this.

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Speaker 5: I'm like speechless because you always look at history and

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Speaker 5: you go, okay, this is a historic moment. If this

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Speaker 5: polling is anywhere near correct, we are looking at an

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Speaker 5: historic moment right now where Black voters under the age

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Speaker 5: of fifty, which have historically been such a big part

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Speaker 5: of the Democratic coalition, are leaving it in droves.

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Speaker 3: I think this is real, and I know we've got

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Speaker 3: a bet about this, but older black voters. If you

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Speaker 3: grew up in the civil rights movement, you're still connected

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Speaker 3: to the Democrat Party. I think younger Black voters twenties, thirties, forties, fifties,

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Speaker 3: they don't have that same allegiance.

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Speaker 1: Under the age of fifty. Well, there's a couple things happening.

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Speaker 1: Number one is in that bet. I will admit, like,

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Speaker 1: I truly don't believe that Biden is going to be replaced.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I bet that way the younger blackmail

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Speaker 1: voter bet we have. I'm emotionally hedging because I would

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Speaker 1: love for that to be the case.

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Speaker 2: For them to believe it could happen, because you refuse

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Speaker 2: to believe it.

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Speaker 1: Could happen because I kind of I've been let down

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Speaker 1: on this one too many times where it's all, well,

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Speaker 1: not with Romney, but you know, last time around with Trump,

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Speaker 1: we thought maybe we're going to get more of the

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Speaker 1: black vote. So anyway, so that's emotional hedging. Here's what

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Speaker 1: I think is going on with the young blackmail voters

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Speaker 1: as shown in the polls right now. One thing is

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Speaker 1: the illegal immigrant situation I truly believe is resonating within

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Speaker 1: the black community. Or remember you have a lot of

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Speaker 1: illegals who are showing up in communities where they'll be

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Speaker 1: already a high minority population. I'm not talking about the

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Speaker 1: ones in the hotels in Midtown, just broadly speaking, when

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Speaker 1: you have eight million illegals in four years, they're not

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Speaker 1: going to be in the in the ritzy neighborhoods, right

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Speaker 1: They're going to generally be congregating in ethnic enclaves and

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Speaker 1: in places where there's a higher minority distribution. And the

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party, if you just had to make an honest

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Speaker 1: calculation right now, has Joe bied in for the last

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Speaker 1: four years and the Democrats overall have they focused more

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Speaker 1: on illegals from all over the world.

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Speaker 2: Who just got here?

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Speaker 1: And I mean in terms of resources, I mean in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know, time on TV talking about or

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Speaker 1: young black men trying to build their careers, make their

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Speaker 1: way up up the economic ladder, create some stability financially,

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Speaker 1: and you know, a future for themselves. I think the

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Speaker 1: answer is is obvious. I think the answer is obvious

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Speaker 1: even to Black Democrats who absolutely hate Trump, and that's

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Speaker 1: where you're starting to see some of them. Peel Off,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you the allegiance of the older black voters,

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Speaker 1: is I would I would assume, I would analyze overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: the the sort of narrative and the goodwill built up

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Speaker 1: over a long time of Oh, Democrats are the party

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Speaker 1: of civil rights, even though it's not really true, but

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Speaker 1: put that aside. You know, Democrats are the party of

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Speaker 1: the quote great society and the the massive wealth transfer

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Speaker 1: of the welfare state for the last sixty years or so.

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Speaker 1: So that's where I think that comes from. But you

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Speaker 1: got to think, if you're a younger male voter who

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Speaker 1: is who's a black guy, You're hearing a lot of

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Speaker 1: anti masculine, anti masculinity stuff which just doesn't and eight

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Speaker 1: that seems very strange. You're hearing a lot of interest

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Speaker 1: and effort from the Democrats to put up illegals and

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Speaker 1: hotels and get them work permits and get them and

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Speaker 1: your wages are getting crushed by all the spending the

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Speaker 1: people who are Inflation is a tax that disproportionately affects

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Speaker 1: those who don't have assets, which means people paid by

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Speaker 1: the hour, and a lot of young black men working

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Speaker 1: hourly wage jobs have got to be looking what's going

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Speaker 1: on saying? I mean another you see with Ukraine, they

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Speaker 1: just they're talking about how much money they need over

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Speaker 1: the next ten years.

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Speaker 2: I know people gave me heat for it.

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Speaker 1: I said on this show in twenty twenty two, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, I was like, it's going to cost

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Speaker 1: a trillion dollars what they're going to do in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Now it's guaranteed to cost a trillion dollars the tax

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Speaker 1: payer money.

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Speaker 2: And you know you talk.

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Speaker 1: About the fast food cost, the fast food wage is

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Speaker 1: even more hurt by all this. So that this is

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Speaker 1: why I think there's a It's not just oh, Trump

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Speaker 1: is like a charismatic guy, and that I think wasn't necessarily.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the illegals, plus the lack of economic progress,

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Speaker 1: plus the inflationary pressure. People just realize you're paying more

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Speaker 1: for stuff all the time, and that's why I think

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Speaker 1: there's an open yeah.

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Speaker 3: And also I would just close it up by saying,

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Speaker 3: on this perspective, Biden sold a bill of goods to people.

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Speaker 3: He said things will get better, things will get more normal.

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Speaker 3: People don't believe that anymore. So in twenty twenty people

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Speaker 3: might have bought into the anti Trump argument. That's ultimately

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Speaker 3: why I think they may pull the ripcord here because

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Speaker 3: they could still run the anti Trump playbook if they

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Speaker 3: didn't have an incumbent, because then it's like, oh, you've

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Speaker 1: A tough weekend in the news cycle once again for

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Speaker 1: the Biden Harris campaign because Joe Biden appeared in public

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Speaker 1: and proceeded to speak and walk, and that's not a

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Speaker 1: good look for the Biden campaign. When Biden shows up

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Speaker 1: and does things, everyone goes, oh my gosh, this guy.

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Speaker 1: It's not only I think the gasp of this guy's

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Speaker 1: be president for four more years. That is just too

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Speaker 1: much for any reasonable person to bear. Also, the Iowa

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Speaker 1: poll numbers. This is a des Moines Register and Seltzer poll.

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Speaker 1: Who is considered the pollsters pollster out of Iowa Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump at fifty percent, Joe Biden at thirty two percent,

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior at nine percent. Trump up eighteen points on

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Speaker 1: Biden in Iowa is Landslide Electoral College territory. If that holds,

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody disagrees that that's what that would be.

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Speaker 1: I know we're six snow, wait five five months out,

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Speaker 1: four and a half, four, four and a half, four

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Speaker 1: and a half months out.

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Speaker 3: Fourth'll basically be four months from I mean the election

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Speaker 3: is November fifth, so we're exactly four months away in

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Speaker 3: July fourth.

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Speaker 2: This is going to come very quickly, as we all know.

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Speaker 1: Right the time period I feel like in the election

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Speaker 1: year of January to June feels like an eternity, and

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Speaker 1: then once you get into the summer months, because September

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Speaker 1: October fly by as like almost it feels like one day.

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Speaker 1: So we will continue to look look at these numbers

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Speaker 1: and what they indicate. Also interesting, Clai, I don't think

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Speaker 1: we talked about this in the first hour. Pew Research

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Speaker 1: says twenty five percent of voters are quote double haters,

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Speaker 1: dislike both the Republican and Democrat candidates. This is the

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Speaker 1: highest number in history, and it is twice what it

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Speaker 1: has been in twenty twenty, twenty twelve, two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: going way back. So there's a lot of antipathy in

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Speaker 1: this election cycle right now. And perhaps one of the

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Speaker 1: other ways that we can take a look at this

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Speaker 1: big piece Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan, a bunch of big

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Speaker 1: names of the New York Times on the resistance to

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Speaker 1: a new Trump administration has already started. Clay, we would

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Speaker 1: have expected this. I don't think if Joe Biden was

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Speaker 1: doing well, they would be running this piece at this time,

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Speaker 1: this early on. But it is effectively, I think, meant

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Speaker 1: to be a a calming mechanism for Democrats to the

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Speaker 1: degree that it can be that they will do. They

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Speaker 1: will pull every trick, they can help, every activist, judge,

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Speaker 1: every soorros funded DA, you know, whatever they can do

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Speaker 1: to try to stop the Trump agenda. And one thing

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Speaker 1: I thought was particularly noteworthy in this piece. They are

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Speaker 1: stockpiling abortion medicine. I mean they're actually and they're saying.

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Speaker 1: This is from Jay Insley, the governor Washington. He says,

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Speaker 1: five Democratic governors have established stockpiles of MYFI pristone to

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Speaker 1: guard against the Trump administration using federal power to stop

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Speaker 1: its interrat state distribution New York, California, Massachusetts. This is

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Speaker 1: interesting because the federal government can just decide very and

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Speaker 1: has I think this is in many cases an abuse

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Speaker 1: of the interstate commerce clause, and this is a huge problem.

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Speaker 1: But the federal government can say, well, even if you're

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Speaker 1: going to a state where the thing is okay, you

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Speaker 1: can't cross the state lines to do the thing that's okay.

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Speaker 1: So even if mifit pristont. But I mean, they're really

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Speaker 1: freaking out about this. Well, we didn't even hardly talk

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Speaker 1: about it, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: But Friday's Supreme Court decision about the whether or not

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Speaker 3: the challengers had standing to challenge collectively, I think it's

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Speaker 3: basically just known as the Morning After Pill, right, and

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Speaker 3: it was nine to oh that they didn't have standing.

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Speaker 3: And we'll see what Supreme Court opinions come out with

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Speaker 3: presidential immunity and certainly the how the Sarbaine's Oxley Act

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Speaker 3: can be applied on the jan six related cases. But

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Speaker 3: I think what they're running into is it's really hard

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Speaker 3: to get Trump on abortion. And remember when he ran

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Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen. Maureen d Ask Donald Trump, have you

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Speaker 3: ever paid for an abortion? And Trump responded, that's a

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Speaker 3: really interesting question, and just moved on. My point on

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Speaker 3: that is Trump appointed the justices that got Roe v.

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Speaker 3: Wade overturned.

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Speaker 4: Roe v.

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Speaker 3: Wade was a disaster of a federal case. But what

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Speaker 3: he has said so far is just every state should

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Speaker 3: have the right to do whatever they want. And I

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Speaker 3: think that's hard to mobilize on. Combine that buck with

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Speaker 3: I do think on twenty twenty two they had a

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Speaker 3: lot of success with o democracies on the ballot. Remember

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Speaker 3: Michael Beschlows was on MSNBC saying, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: I'll be executed or not if the Republicans take back Congress.

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Speaker 3: Republicans took back the House, and basically nothing's happened. I

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Speaker 3: think that it is. And when you're trying to put

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Speaker 3: your chief political rival in prison for the rest of

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Speaker 3: his life, it's hard to argue that you're the stewards

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Speaker 3: of democracy. What do they run on. That's why I

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Speaker 3: think they have to replace Biden, because he's everything he's

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Speaker 3: done is a failure.

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Speaker 1: I think if you were to do a a sane

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Speaker 1: and honest, side by side comparison of the extreme things

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Speaker 1: done to Trump and the extreme things done by Trump,

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Speaker 1: we can let's let's start with it's a great analogy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, extreme things done to Trump.

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Speaker 1: Uh. The first, sorry, the Russia collusion hoax, which was

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Speaker 1: a hoax that is not an exaggeration at all. As

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Speaker 1: we know, even the Muller probe was unable to find

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Speaker 1: anything having to do with Russia and the Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: working together to steal the election. Not a single vote

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Speaker 1: was changed by Russians hacking into machines, but they used,

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Speaker 1: as I always say, the process is the punishment. So

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Speaker 1: the Russia collusion hoax, that is an extreme thing done

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Speaker 1: to Trump. The first impeachment of Trump, the second impeachment

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Speaker 1: of Trump. The holding of four criminal indictments, four in

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Speaker 1: hetments to drop so that they all happened in the

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Speaker 1: election year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the so do you just put that? Put that

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Speaker 2: in the column.

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Speaker 1: The changing of New York state law so that Trump

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Speaker 1: can be sued for a an alleged sexual assault from

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Speaker 1: thirty years ago, right, I mean that was basically they

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Speaker 1: changed the law so that now you can be civilly

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Speaker 1: sued for something that the statute of limitations exist for

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Speaker 1: a reason. You just can't defend yourself against things that

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Speaker 1: happened thirty years ago. That someone says you did a thing,

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Speaker 1: and you say, well, I mean, I didn't do the thing,

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Speaker 1: So how are you proving? But they went after Trump

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Speaker 1: on that the four hundred and eighty million dollars of

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Speaker 1: four hund and eighty million dollars of judgments against him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, Sorry, this is going on for

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Speaker 1: a long time because of all the things, Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: in the a column of extreme things done to Trump?

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Speaker 1: What are the extreme things that Trump has done?

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Speaker 2: The Muslim band.

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court ended up upholding that, by the way, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a Muslim band.

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Speaker 2: That was just racle lie.

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Speaker 1: The saying both people al on both sides were good,

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Speaker 1: that's a lie. That's not the only thing that I

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Speaker 1: think that a reasonable person could point to would be

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Speaker 1: the post twenty twenty election rhetoric from Trump, or the

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Speaker 1: January or the rhetoric you know, leading up to and

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Speaker 1: on January sixth, and to this.

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Speaker 2: I would just say.

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Speaker 1: Trump wasn't in any way criminally culpable for anything that

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Speaker 1: happened on that day. And emotions are running very high,

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Speaker 1: and Democrats Biden voters had been riding for months, and

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Speaker 1: it was like our sacred democracy on display, even during

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Speaker 1: you know, COVID and everything else.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just if you're going to do a fair

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Speaker 2: okay January sixth.

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Speaker 1: No, that's the thing that they will point to and say,

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't a coup, it wasn't an insurrection. It

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Speaker 1: was one Republican or you know, one right of center riot.

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Speaker 1: You add up all the other things they've done to Trump.

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Speaker 1: Who are the real extremists, That's really what this is

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Speaker 1: all getting to, or rather who is using extreme political

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Speaker 1: measures against their opponents? And I think it's not a

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Speaker 1: close call. I think it's not close at all.

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Speaker 2: This is why their argument is not working. And I was.

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Speaker 3: Mentioning, I'm seeing these ads all over Georgia television, dementia

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Speaker 3: or dishonesty about the prices and inflation related issues that

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Speaker 3: many families, not only in Georgia where I am for

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Speaker 3: the next couple of days, but all over the country.

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Speaker 3: Georgia just happens to be a battleground. That's why I

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Speaker 3: think they have to pull the ripcord and end up

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Speaker 3: with a new candidate, because if you have a new

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Speaker 3: candidate you can go back to running. Trump is an

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Speaker 3: unprecedented threat to American democracy, and insert new candidate is

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Speaker 3: a better choice for America. The problem that they have

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Speaker 3: right now, Buck, is that's the campaign they ran in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty. Some of you out there listening to us

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Speaker 3: right now bought that argument. You did, and you've had

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Speaker 3: buyers remorse since we've taken calls. People say, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I was upset over COVID. I was fearful. I didn't

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Speaker 3: like the way that twenty twenty was going, and Biden said,

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Speaker 3: I'll bring back normalcy. We got war in Europe, war

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Speaker 3: in the Middle East. Ten million illegals have entered our

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Speaker 3: country on the southern border. Crime has skyrocketed, Your cost

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Speaker 3: of goods has far exceeded on average your individual wage

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Speaker 3: games which is a default at tax. And you're looking

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Speaker 3: around and you're saying, you know what, nostalgically, the Trump

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Speaker 3: era wasn't that bad. I'm talking about middle of the

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Speaker 3: road voters out there. They're going to vote for Trump

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Speaker 3: because his presidency was better for the average person than

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Speaker 3: Biden has been. And so the only way you get

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Speaker 3: the story back to Trump, I think, is if you

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Speaker 3: don't have an incumbent Democrat president who has stunk it up. Now, Look,

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Speaker 3: I want Biden the nominee because I think he has

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Speaker 3: to run on his job as president, and I think

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Speaker 3: he's done a really poor job. But if they suddenly

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Speaker 3: pull the switch Arou and they put someone this is

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Speaker 3: another reason why I think it would not be Kamala, right,

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Speaker 3: because they can tar and feather Kamala with Biden's failures.

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Speaker 3: If you can get someone in there who has not

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Speaker 3: been in the White House, that person can run the

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Speaker 3: Biden democracy case against Trump in a way that maybe

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Speaker 3: gets them across the finish line. I just don't think

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Speaker 3: people are suddenly going to break four and a half

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Speaker 3: months out after you've had Biden president for three and

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Speaker 3: a half years. I don't think you're suddenly going to

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Speaker 3: convince people, Hey, you know what, Biden's actually done.

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Speaker 2: A good job. I want more of this.

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Speaker 3: I think he's dead in the water, and that doesn't

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Speaker 3: even factor in his dementia or his physical and mental

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Speaker 3: weakness on the global stage and on every single event.

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Speaker 3: That's why I think they're at the ripcord moment. They're

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Speaker 3: at the break the glass on the fire extinguisher moment.

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Speaker 3: And next week the June twenty seventh, strangely scheduled presidential debate,

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Speaker 3: I think has the potential for everybody to jump right

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Speaker 3: off the Biden team and say, you know what, it's

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Speaker 3: time for a change.

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Speaker 2: You know, the person is the.

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Speaker 3: Most difficult to persuade on this, doctor Jill Biden Buck

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, who has to know better than anybody

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Speaker 3: how bad a shape Joe's in and wants to hang

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Speaker 3: on to that power.

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Speaker 1: Just one more thing, you know, because I was talking

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Speaker 1: about how the the BLM rioted all summer in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: and that was considered not just it was like a

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Speaker 1: patriotic act. It was for racial pressis whatever which was.

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Speaker 1: It was insane. It actually made everything worse for everybody.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people died because of what BLM did

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. But this is interesting to me that

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Speaker 1: there the ACLU, as part of the resistance two point

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Speaker 1: zero is preparing to immediately challenge, upon a Trump victory,

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Speaker 1: the usage of the Insurrection Act to make sure that Trump,

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Speaker 1: by federal court order, is not able to call in

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Speaker 1: the National Guard or federal forces to stop massive rolling riots. Gee, everyone,

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Speaker 1: why would the ACLU right now be preparing, according to

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Speaker 1: The New York Times, not some right wing blog. Why

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Speaker 1: would the ACLU be trying to tie a future Trump

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Speaker 1: administration's hands when it comes to putting down massive destructive riots.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like they're preparing for this if they don't

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Speaker 1: get their way, just.

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Speaker 2: Like they were in twenty twenty, by the way, with

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Speaker 2: all the boarded up stores.

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Speaker 3: And remember, they're gonna reject the thing they claimed was

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Speaker 3: so unacceptable to do. They're going to reject validity of

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Speaker 3: the election results in twenty twenty four to two. Right,

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Speaker 3: They're going to try to get Amla Harris to refuse.

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Speaker 3: That's why they changed the law to make it less likely.

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Speaker 3: But this, I'm telling you, they're going to do everything

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Speaker 3: that they claim Republicans are going to do.

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Speaker 2: Just get ready for it. That's where we're headed, I think,

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Speaker 2: so we should get ready for it. Everybody.

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Speaker 1: really comfortable in your hands, accurate, and the prices are

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Speaker 1: market today. Now they're not as well known as some

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Speaker 1: We'll join now by Senator Rand Paul Love, Kentucky. Senator

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Speaker 1: Paul appreciate you making the time for us.

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with if you would tell us about the

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Speaker 1: hearing tomorrow up on the Hill and your ongoing COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen origins and vestigation. What's the latest and what are

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Speaker 1: you trying to get you next?

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Speaker 7: This is a big step forward. This is the first

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Speaker 7: bipartisan full committee hearing on the origins of the virus.

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Speaker 7: We'll have four scientists, two scientists who believe the evidence

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Speaker 7: points towards it come from the lab, and two scientists

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Speaker 7: who believe the opposite. But interestingly, one of those scientists

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Speaker 7: is a good friend of Anthony Fauci's, and privately Bob

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Speaker 7: Gary said, oh my goodness, this is not a conspiracy.

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Speaker 7: This is real. Everything looks like it came from the lab.

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Speaker 7: And then in public he wrote a paper four days later,

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Speaker 7: at the behest of Anthony Fauci that concluded, there's no

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Speaker 7: way it could have come from the lab. If possible,

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Speaker 7: your nuts. If it came from the lab, so he'll

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Speaker 7: be one of the Democrat scientists testifying. Well, what'll make

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Speaker 7: it interesting is this first time we've had scientists on

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Speaker 7: both sides of this issue in a public forum essentially

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Speaker 7: debating this issue and with questions from Republicans and Democrats

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Speaker 7: on it. The big step forward. The Democrats, heretofore, have

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Speaker 7: refused to have any kind of participation in this. So

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Speaker 7: this is the first time Democrats have tistiated in any hearing,

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Speaker 7: any bipartisan hearing center.

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Speaker 3: Paul, I watched the Doctor first of all, thanks for

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Speaker 3: coming on. I watched the Doctor Fauci hearing in front

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Speaker 3: of the House Committee, and what still staggers me is

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Speaker 3: how committed Democrats are to defending Fauci, even though many

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Speaker 3: of the arguments he made, frankly from a scientific perspective,

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Speaker 3: have now been proven to be bunk. Whether it's the

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Speaker 3: six foot social distancing, whether it's making kids wear masks.

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Speaker 3: As Buck has pointed out for some time, Fauci, to

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Speaker 3: my knowledge, has never said, hey, you know what, you're

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Speaker 3: going too far when you do X, or why he

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Speaker 3: never did it? Why do you think Democrats are still

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Speaker 3: committed to defending him over pursuing the truth and are

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Speaker 3: you optimistic that's ever going to change.

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Speaker 7: I think Democrats buy in laws, are committed to the

929
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Speaker 7: idea that the common man is incompetent, that the common

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Speaker 7: man should not be allowed the freedom to make medical

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Speaker 7: and that experts no better than the common man. And

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Speaker 7: so Anthony Fauci is sort of the extreme representative of

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Speaker 7: what the Democrats believe, that experts should decide what kind

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Speaker 7: of health care you should get, and what kind of

935
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Speaker 7: medicines you should take, and whether you should take a vaccine.

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Speaker 7: And they fear that criticism of him is criticism of

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Speaker 7: central authority or central planning with regard to healthcare. And

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Speaker 7: so I think because their commitment is so strong, I

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Speaker 7: think that's why in the end they defend him, even

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Speaker 7: though now most of the things he said have been

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Speaker 7: deblunked or been flat out wrong.

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Speaker 1: Senor ram Paul with us now Kentucky Senator, do you

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Speaker 1: think that the end goal here other than getting to

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Speaker 1: the truth. Do you still have any hope of accountability

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Speaker 1: for what was done during COVID and including covering up

946
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Speaker 1: the origins the virus, the intentional cover up from the

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Speaker 1: health authorities, And do you think that there's still room

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Speaker 1: to hope that we can get a change in what

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Speaker 1: the policy would be going forward, because I mean I

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Speaker 1: would just sit here and say, in my mind, they

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Speaker 1: would run the same playbook again if they could. They wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: They might make some adjustments to it, but overall, I

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of things that the Democrats and

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Speaker 1: the Democrat dominated health establishment would go back to from COVID.

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Speaker 7: So our first hearing will be laying out the evidence

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Speaker 7: for this COVID virus originating in the Wulan lab. The

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Speaker 7: second hearing, we'll be talking about how we could reform

958
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Speaker 7: government's evaluation of gain of function research. They have to

959
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Speaker 7: realize that the NIH has steadfast the reviews to divulge information,

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Speaker 7: all of which is not classified, but they will not

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Speaker 7: give us the deliberations on why they concluded the research

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Speaker 7: in Wuhan was not gain a function and this was

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Speaker 7: kind of glossed over in the half arings. Fauci continues

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Speaker 7: to say, oh, according to the definition of the P

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Speaker 7: three COO Committee, this safety committee, it wasn't gain of function.

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Speaker 7: But he didn't resent the research to that committee. So

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Speaker 7: Anthony Fauci did it by himself. Now we know that

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Speaker 7: they meet at something called Dual Use Research of concerned

969
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Speaker 7: gain of function meeting. We know that they met on

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Speaker 7: the Wuhan research to discuss whether it was gain of function.

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Speaker 7: What they won't give us is the deliberations if scientists

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Speaker 7: made an argument on both sides. If we want to

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Speaker 7: reform it, we need to understand what mistakes they made

974
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Speaker 7: in their assessment to say that it wasn't dangerous the

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Speaker 7: research going on in Wuhan. But anyway, we have a

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Speaker 7: bill that is largely written. We've talked to scientists across

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Speaker 7: the United States about this and got an input. We're

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Speaker 7: still getting input from scientists on this. We've presented it

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Speaker 7: to the Democrats. The only chance of passing it in

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Speaker 7: this Congress would be if Democrats in the Senate would

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Speaker 7: actually actively support it. So that's what the goal of

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Speaker 7: these hearings are is really mostly to try to get

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Speaker 7: Democrats on board for reforming gain of function oversight and

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Speaker 7: we'll see if we get there. As far as accountability,

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Speaker 7: you know, Anthony Fauci getting is just as Iertz and

986
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Speaker 7: going to jail. That would require a new administration and

987
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Speaker 7: a new Attorney general to objectively look at that. I

988
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Speaker 7: just think he's lied under oaths repeatedly.

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Speaker 3: We're talking to Senator Ran Paul. You hit on something

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Speaker 3: that I think is really important. And it seems as

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Speaker 3: if we were giving American taxpayer dollars to aid in

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Speaker 3: research in Chinese labs, which I think a lot of Americans,

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Speaker 3: myself included, say why in the world would we be

994
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Speaker 3: doing that in the first place? Because Fauci says, oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they were doing. Necessarily, it's a

996
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Speaker 3: limited amount of money. But why are they getting American

997
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Speaker 3: taxpayer dollars in the first place? Would be part one

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Speaker 3: for you part two, and you've hit on this before,

999
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Speaker 3: but I think it's so important. COVID was a relatively

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Speaker 3: non lethal virus that was created. There is the potential

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Speaker 3: to create an incredibly lethal virus. How afraid are you,

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Speaker 3: based on what you have seen about gain of function research,

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Speaker 3: that the next time we have a lab error like this,

1004
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Speaker 3: or we have a virus created like this that gets out,

1005
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Speaker 3: it could be far more deadly and far more dangerous

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Speaker 3: than anything we saw with COVID.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's my biggest worry. Really. If you listen to

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Speaker 7: Robert Redfield, who's a virologist for a thirty year history

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Speaker 7: in virology. Who is the CDC director under Trump? He'll

1010
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Speaker 7: tell you that his concern is that there are viruses

1011
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Speaker 7: out there that have up to fifty percent mortality. COVID

1012
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Speaker 7: had aboutero point three percent. It's about three times worse

1013
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Speaker 7: than the flu, which is bad. But you know, we

1014
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Speaker 7: can sometimes have three hundred thousand people die from the

1015
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Speaker 7: flu in our country and we had a million dogs,

1016
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Speaker 7: And I don't downplay it. That's it was a significant event,

1017
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Speaker 7: But imagine what it would have been like if it

1018
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Speaker 7: would have been an overall death rate of five percent

1019
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Speaker 7: or fifty percent. You're talking about civilization changing events at

1020
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Speaker 7: that point. You're talking about fourteenth century plague where a

1021
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Speaker 7: third of Europe died. We're talking about the scourge of

1022
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Speaker 7: when a third of a city would die when smallpox

1023
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Speaker 7: came to town. So yeah, we have to be ready

1024
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Speaker 7: and we have to be prepared the next time this

1025
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Speaker 7: comes around. It's also why we should continue to talk

1026
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Speaker 7: about natural immunity. You get a viral pandemic that gets started,

1027
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Speaker 7: even if you have lightning fast production of a vaccine,

1028
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Speaker 7: and even if it works, maybe it'll work better the

1029
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Speaker 7: next time, but even it should work. You're gonna have

1030
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Speaker 7: six months to a year even with a lightning fast

1031
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Speaker 7: development of a vaccine. What you need to do is

1032
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Speaker 7: realize who's at most risk, and then they need to

1033
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Speaker 7: be protected by people who have recovered from the virus.

1034
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Speaker 7: Because Anthony Falcy threw out the window any idea of

1035
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Speaker 7: natural immunity. See, we should have populated all of the

1036
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Speaker 7: nursing homes with young people who had already recovered from COVID.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm not a young person anymore. But I

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Speaker 7: got COVID in March or two weeks later. I had

1039
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Speaker 7: my immunity. I volunteered at my local hospital, and I

1040
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Speaker 7: was useful. I would go into the patient's room and

1041
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Speaker 7: help nurses and orderlies and everybody else to flip patients

1042
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Speaker 7: over who are on the ventilator, just to be one

1043
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Speaker 7: extra set of hand so someone else didn't have to

1044
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Speaker 7: risk getting the virus. We should have done that as

1045
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Speaker 7: a national strategy. But instead Anthony Bauci continue to him

1046
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Speaker 7: and ANSO, we don't know about it. You still have

1047
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Speaker 7: to wear four masks, even though you've recovered from it.

1048
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Speaker 7: You got to wear a mask on a plane. Instead

1049
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Speaker 7: of any kind of common sense, He threw it out

1050
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Speaker 7: the window, but he also threw out the one thing

1051
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Speaker 7: you can do without a vaccine is to try to

1052
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Speaker 7: have the young people who have recovered from a disease

1053
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Speaker 7: be the protectors of the vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: Senator a round, Paul, before we let you go out,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to give you a chance to weigh

1056
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Speaker 1: in on just what's going on with the weaponization of

1057
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Speaker 1: the Justice Department in an election year against Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and obviously local prosecution as well in the case of

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Speaker 1: New York and Atlanta. What this means for due process

1060
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Speaker 1: rights and just the rule of law in general, and

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Speaker 1: how you think we can start to address what's clearly

1062
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Speaker 1: unjust from the Justice Department.

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Speaker 7: You know, I think a lot of people on the left,

1064
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Speaker 7: they run these endless things on CNN to same one

1065
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Speaker 7: network about the end of democracy, it's the end of

1066
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Speaker 7: the world of Donald Trump should win. But I actually

1067
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Speaker 7: think it's closer and more accurate to say that we

1068
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Speaker 7: could ruin the foundation of this country if the justice

1069
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Speaker 7: system escapes from impartiality and becomes a partisan weapon. And

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Speaker 7: there's no question. If you can find an objective progressive person,

1071
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Speaker 7: ask them whether or not anybody's ever been prosecuted for

1072
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Speaker 7: expired bookkeeping crimes about paying off a woman, you know,

1073
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Speaker 7: I mean, there's no way in the world that's ever

1074
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Speaker 7: been prosecuted before, and so it's selective prosecution. Ask an

1075
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Speaker 7: objective warrior whether or not you can be prosecuted for

1076
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Speaker 7: something they don't even inform you the crime of the

1077
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Speaker 7: sixth Amendment says, yet to be notified of the crime,

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Speaker 7: it was impossible to know. And the judge in the

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Speaker 7: end said, well, you can convict him of any other

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Speaker 7: secondary crime you want to, but you have to figure

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Speaker 7: out a secondary crime you don't even all. I have

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Speaker 7: to agree, well, you have to know what you've been

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Speaker 7: accused of in order to defend yourself. So I think

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Speaker 7: that's going to be thrown out on six Amendment account.

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Speaker 7: But I do worry that there are people around the country.

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Speaker 7: Everywhere I travel, people are coming up, they called into

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Speaker 7: your show. These are people who are truly worried. Can

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Speaker 7: I still participate in America? Can I give money? Can

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Speaker 7: I go to a rally without getting our O list?

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Speaker 7: And that all of a sudden they're going to be

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Speaker 7: investigating my tax status, investigating my business, and it'll be

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Speaker 7: selective prosecution. If it comes to that, and if the

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Speaker 7: majority people believe that we are in for I think

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Speaker 7: to that.

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Speaker 1: Senator round Paul, appreciate you being with us or thanks

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Speaker 1: so much?

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Speaker 7: Thanks as no.

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