Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello
Speaker 1: work in progress, smarties. Today I am joined by not one,
Speaker 1: but two of my favorite funny gals. Today's guests are
Speaker 1: Tig Nataro and Stephanie Allen. They are incredible comedians. You
Speaker 1: likely know Tig from being a brilliant stand up She's
Speaker 1: also an amazing writer, radio contributor, actress, even though you'll
Speaker 1: hear today why she's not super comfortable wearing the moniker
Speaker 1: of actor and a wonderful director and producer.
Speaker 2: And along with her.
Speaker 1: Wife Stephanie, who is a genius improv comedian and a
Speaker 1: phenomenal writer and director in her own right, she is
Speaker 1: here to talk about the movie that they co directed,
Speaker 1: Am I Okay, starring Dakota Johnson. This movie is so
Speaker 1: funny and so poignant, you guys, not just to me
Speaker 1: but given the last year of my life, but I
Speaker 1: think will be to all of you. It follows Lucy
Speaker 1: and Jane, who are the best of friends. They finish
Speaker 1: each other's sentences, they can predict every detail of each
Speaker 1: other's food order and pretty much know everything about each other.
Speaker 1: But when Jane gets promoted at work and agrees to
Speaker 1: move to London for her new position, Lucy finally confesses
Speaker 1: her deepest, long held secret.
Speaker 2: She likes women.
Speaker 1: She has for a long time, and she's sort of
Speaker 1: shocked and sort of terrified by this later in life revelation.
Speaker 1: The film is actually based on the friendship between writer
Speaker 1: Lauren Palmerants and producer Jessica Albam, who took their sister
Speaker 1: Leavon to the screen to showcase the many life defining
Speaker 1: friendships shared by women, and it felt like the right
Speaker 1: opportunity for Tig and Stephanie to co direct this movie.
Speaker 1: Stephanie directed Tig's most recent stand up special, Hello Again,
Speaker 1: And today I get to pick their brains about what
Speaker 1: it's like to work together as a married couple, why
Speaker 1: the tropes about working with your spouse are just not
Speaker 1: true for them, how much fun they had making this movie,
Speaker 1: how amazing Dakota Johnson and all the other actors in
Speaker 1: it were to work with, and what it was like
Speaker 1: to be on the journey of getting this film out
Speaker 1: into the world for five years. It's finally here, it's perfect,
Speaker 1: it's on Max, You're gonna love it. And as a bonus,
Speaker 1: of course, I get to ask these two about their
Speaker 1: love story. It involves a sweater from Canada, and I
Speaker 1: think you're really going to enjoy the details. Well, hello ladies. Tig,
Speaker 1: welcome back to work in progress. Stephanie welcome. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy to have you both here today.
Speaker 3: Happy to be here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So normally I love to kind of sit with people
Speaker 1: who are doing really exciting things in their lives and
Speaker 1: careers and start in a big rewind and ask a
Speaker 1: little bit about whether or not from this sort of
Speaker 1: seat you sit in today you see similarities to your
Speaker 1: current self and your childhood self, Like if you looked
Speaker 1: back at yourself at eight or nine, were you telling stories,
Speaker 1: telling jokes or were you a completely different kid? And Stephanie,
Speaker 1: since it's your first time in the hot seat.
Speaker 2: Let's go to you first. I feel like a news anchor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's funny. I feel like in recent years I
Speaker 5: feel more connected to how I felt as a kid,
Speaker 5: which I feel is a very good thing and it's
Speaker 5: kind of taking me a long route back to that feeling.
Speaker 5: And I feel like the I feel like as a kid,
Speaker 5: I really felt, you know, as all kids do, like
Speaker 5: you know what you love and you know and you're
Speaker 5: just confident in it, and I feel I do feel
Speaker 5: like similar to that kid now, especially directing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that because you can sort of create a world,
Speaker 1: and that's something where we do so easily when our children.
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 5: And it's like you know what you like and you
Speaker 5: don't think, you just you don't question it.
Speaker 3: You just go, oh, I think this looks good.
Speaker 5: I like this line, I like this, and you just
Speaker 5: kind of do it the way you want to do it.
Speaker 3: And it feels very childlike to me. It feels very free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1: The like feeling I get in my chest as you're
Speaker 1: describing it is it almost feels it feels really pure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: To operate on that level of instinct to always go
Speaker 1: for the yes and is really free.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're in the present. So I think it's
Speaker 5: for directing. For me, I feel more like, oh, I'm
Speaker 5: not thinking oh is this gonna work? Oh is this
Speaker 5: gonna be bad?
Speaker 3: It's more just like, oh, this is fun. That was good.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: Is a very different feeling from like say, going on
Speaker 1: stage to do comedy.
Speaker 5: Well, I do improv, and so I feel like that
Speaker 5: is very similar actually because and I love that feeling
Speaker 5: of God, I don't know what's going to happen and
Speaker 5: I don't have to prepare, which I enjoy that feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 5: take doing stand up and it's like, oh, what are
Speaker 5: you doing tonight? What are you talking about? You know
Speaker 5: where I can just show up and walk on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if you're going to do one of those
Speaker 1: big Largo shows, for example, you just get to show
Speaker 1: up and play and then and then you're doing when
Speaker 1: you're doing a special, which, by the way, steph for
Speaker 1: our friends at home, Stephanie's directing like you've had to
Speaker 1: tour that all over the place, right to get the
Speaker 1: cadence of it and to figure out what the joke
Speaker 1: order is, and and it's it's so prepared, even though
Speaker 1: for us watching at home or from the audience, it
Speaker 1: it feels like it's just sort of happening, like magic
Speaker 1: does the Prepper?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Were you were you a preparer as a kid too?
Speaker 1: Or is it totally a different thing from who you
Speaker 1: were as as any whipper snapper?
Speaker 3: Yet? Was I a prepare? No?
Speaker 4: God, oh my god, what I was like?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I was, you know, disorganized, class clown, failed eighth grade twice,
Speaker 4: moved up to ninth grade. Failed that dropped out. My
Speaker 4: apartments were a mess. I just it was not. No.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's such an example of when you
Speaker 4: follow who you really are, everything falls into place. And
Speaker 4: when I started doing stand up, that taught me my
Speaker 4: passion for stand up taught me life skills that I
Speaker 4: didn't have before. Because I was so into comedy that
Speaker 4: I wanted to get organized. I wanted to have a
Speaker 4: schedule and make sure I, you know, my work ethic
Speaker 4: appeared out of nowhere. And yeah, it just I started
Speaker 4: being able to pay bills and everything just kind of
Speaker 4: clicked into place. And it's just funny how as a child,
Speaker 4: being the class clown was looked down upon and the
Speaker 4: fact that that was parlayed into an actual career that
Speaker 4: got my life into order is just mind blowing to me.
Speaker 4: And that all goes back to just figuring out who
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really interesting thing right when I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's so much pressure in society to kind of like
Speaker 1: do the things that look good on paper, to check
Speaker 1: all the boxes, and like, once you've checked all the boxes,
Speaker 1: you'll have done it, get to happy.
Speaker 2: Maybe it won't be so hard and like nobody's ever really.
Speaker 1: Encouraged us to go, Like, maybe stop pushing the rock
Speaker 1: up the hill and go in the other direction and
Speaker 1: see what's over there. Yeah, maybe you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: over there.
Speaker 4: Let's see what happens when the rocks.
Speaker 1: That might be the place where everything begins, everything that's
Speaker 1: really for you anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean I feel like, especially in like teenage high
Speaker 5: school years, of like feeling very competitive, feeling very like
Speaker 5: I needed a's, I wanted to go to a good college.
Speaker 5: I was in every activity, like every sport, like really
Speaker 5: in that world that the world tells you to participate in,
Speaker 5: and then trying to achieve in that world. And when
Speaker 5: I also dropped out of high school, and when I did,
Speaker 5: and sort of I felt like I like sidestepped out
Speaker 5: of the world. And then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 5: was having a great time and everything fell really fun
Speaker 5: and it's like, oh, I didn't.
Speaker 3: Have to do that, and it's yeah, but it's I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people get stuck in that other version.
Speaker 1: So did you each know that being an artist would
Speaker 1: kind of be it for you?
Speaker 2: Or did it happen? Did it just happen and surprise.
Speaker 4: You I didn't think it was in the cards for
Speaker 4: me because my stepfather was very regimented and all about education,
Speaker 4: and I just felt like there was something over on
Speaker 4: the side I wanted to be doing, whether it was
Speaker 4: playing guitar or acting foolish. But I just kept thinking,
Speaker 4: how can I make a living and be around things?
Speaker 4: And so I went into I thought the medium would
Speaker 4: be if I went into music business, because then I
Speaker 4: could be in entertainment, but I would be having a job,
Speaker 4: you know, and which I did for a while.
Speaker 2: But did you have a desk?
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 3: I had a that's crazy.
Speaker 4: I had a desk. I rented a space in my
Speaker 4: friend's basement of their coffee shop in Denver, and I
Speaker 4: think I paid them like two hundred dollars a month
Speaker 4: for the space. And yeah, but as soon as I
Speaker 4: moved to Los Angeles and I saw all the opportunity
Speaker 4: for stand up I was like.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 4: I thought it was all over. Everything was all over.
Speaker 2: And what about you, Stephanie? When you dropped out? What happened?
Speaker 5: Well, I think prior to dropping out, I thought it
Speaker 5: was like I knew I I thought I wanted to
Speaker 5: be an actor. I knew I wanted to be an actor,
Speaker 5: but I still saw the route as sort of through
Speaker 5: the conventional system of like, oh, I'll go to a
Speaker 5: school and I'll major in theater and then I'll do
Speaker 5: like plays, and then I'll maybe graduate and then i'll
Speaker 5: like audition.
Speaker 3: Like I was still.
Speaker 5: Following that sort of like schedule and like timeline. And
Speaker 5: so when I dropped out and sort of removed myself
Speaker 5: from that, the freedom of going, oh, I can do
Speaker 5: this however I want. And that's where I found improv
Speaker 5: and similar to Tig, was like, oh, here are my people,
Speaker 5: here's you know, my group, and sort of started doing
Speaker 5: things sort of on my own.
Speaker 3: Very random. I still feel like I'm very random in
Speaker 3: my career.
Speaker 2: Do we ever get over that feeling.
Speaker 3: Though of it being random?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know, Like what we do is so
Speaker 2: fucking weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But every single time I just finished this movie, went
Speaker 1: to shoot in Utah, which, by the way, was beautiful.
Speaker 1: I was like, what are we Why are we going anywhere?
Speaker 1: But this place, like what's happened? There's deer outside. It
Speaker 1: was amazing, but not the point. And I was talking
Speaker 1: to one of my coworkers and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm twenty years into this, and every time I get
Speaker 1: to a set, I'm like, will this be the one
Speaker 1: where everyone figures out? But I have no idea what
Speaker 1: I'm doing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just show up everywhere and tell everyone I have
Speaker 4: no clue what I'm doing. Yeah, let's get started, let's
Speaker 4: figure it out.
Speaker 1: And now for our sponsors, how in this lovely journey
Speaker 1: of being a little clueless as to what our jobs are?
Speaker 2: Where? And when did you two meet?
Speaker 5: We met on the movie in a World, which is
Speaker 5: like Fell's film and.
Speaker 2: Movie what I love that movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really great, and yeah we were We were
Speaker 5: in scenes together and kind of met and enjoyed each other,
Speaker 5: but then didn't reconnect until a year later when the
Speaker 5: movie went to Sundance.
Speaker 1: So you had a date in Utah.
Speaker 2: It's a magical place.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: We had exchanged numbers because, like I had, we when
Speaker 4: we were making the movie was when everything exploded in
Speaker 4: a bad way in my life where I had cancer
Speaker 4: and this intestinal disease and pneumonia, and my mother tripped
Speaker 4: and died and my girlfriend and I broke up. But
Speaker 4: once we finished the movie, I had run into Stephanie
Speaker 4: and uh, I was coming through all of that, and
Speaker 4: then we exchanged numbers because we were going to Sundance,
Speaker 4: and we just started texting and ended up just really
Speaker 4: really liking each other. And then we had gone. I
Speaker 4: was writing my book and she was like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 4: at this bar with some friends. Why didn't you come
Speaker 4: meet us? And it happened to be Valentine's Day and
Speaker 4: it was eleven o'clock at night and we hadn't met
Speaker 4: up in months. We were just texting and I was thinking,
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I haven't showered. My hair's a mess.
Speaker 4: And then I was like, oh, she doesn't like women,
Speaker 4: like who cares what I look like? And so I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I'll come down there and meet up
Speaker 4: with you and your friends. And I went, you know, filthy,
Speaker 4: with my hair going every direction. And I walked in
Speaker 4: with this like really thick Canadian wool sweater with like
Speaker 4: an eagle on the back, and and then when I
Speaker 4: walk in, Stephanie has almost the exact sweater on, but
Speaker 4: it was dark blue, and I was like, it was
Speaker 4: so weird. She was so crazy and she's sitting at
Speaker 4: this table with like eight friends, and I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, how funny. We're in the same sweater,
Speaker 4: and I said, let's switch sweaters and h and when
Speaker 4: we did her her friend was like, oh, I'll get
Speaker 4: a picture of you two in your switch sweaters. And
Speaker 4: we went to put our arms around each other and
Speaker 4: we immediately started kissing in front of everybody at the
Speaker 4: bar and at the table. Yeah. And I was like,
Speaker 4: what is happening?
Speaker 5: And and then I said no, I had never kissed
Speaker 5: a woman before ever.
Speaker 4: No, And so I was like, well, this is fun.
Speaker 4: I said, do you want to go?
Speaker 3: I should say it very out of character for both
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like we weren't the We're not those types
Speaker 5: of people to make out in a bar in any way.
Speaker 5: And there it wasn't like alcohol induced. It was like
Speaker 5: the weirdest thing of just like putting your arm around
Speaker 5: someone and going like, oh, this is very comp this
Speaker 5: feels very normal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your bodies took over.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And our texting that led up to that for months
Speaker 4: was not flirtatious. It was just all, you know, jokes
Speaker 4: and making each other laugh. And then I was like,
Speaker 4: do you want to make out in my car? Like
Speaker 4: I was just like, whoa, because I already thought I
Speaker 4: had a crush on her, and she was like sure,
Speaker 4: and so we go to my car, we make out,
Speaker 4: and then the next day I get like a fifty
Speaker 4: thousand page email from her saying that was really fun.
Speaker 4: I'm not gay, I like you so much, I love
Speaker 4: hanging out with you, but can we be friends? And
Speaker 4: I was reading it going, oh gosh, And then I
Speaker 4: just wrote back, okay, dyke, just like lighthearted, because I
Speaker 4: thought I can't like force this person to like me,
Speaker 4: so I was that's all. I just thought it'd be
Speaker 4: funny to write back something very short and casual and
Speaker 4: and well we've been together ever since.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I got that, and it's like, oh no,
Speaker 3: I like her.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, yeah, oh my goodness, you guys.
Speaker 2: I love it. Wow God.
Speaker 1: First of all, I own one of those sweaters maybe
Speaker 1: all maybe all Canadians do. I'm like, I know exactly
Speaker 1: the sweater you're talking about. Mine is also brown.
Speaker 4: Mine is white, Stephanie's is blue.
Speaker 1: Oh mine is that like sort of maybe it's more
Speaker 1: of a grayish like brown gray.
Speaker 2: And the and the bird is white.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, all right, well we can all hang out
Speaker 4: and listen.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, is this does the movie that you've now
Speaker 1: directed together, does it feel especially familiar for you then, Stephanie, because.
Speaker 2: In am I Okay?
Speaker 1: You know, we followed Dakota Johnson as a woman who's
Speaker 1: thirty two realizing that she's gay and wondering how she
Speaker 1: couldn't have known this about herself, And.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I'm just like, hold the phone.
Speaker 1: There's a whole group of us that clearly needs to
Speaker 1: be having this conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I think that's the thing is like I similar
Speaker 5: to Laurene palm Rance wrote the script, and similar to
Speaker 5: Lucy Dakota Johnson's character and myself, It's like, we weren't
Speaker 5: the people that were like, I know, I'm gay. I
Speaker 5: got to come out. I got to tell people. When
Speaker 5: am I going to tell people? Or there wasn't shame.
Speaker 3: Around Oh I'm gay?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: It was more like am I gay?
Speaker 5: Like it's it wasn't. I really didn't know. I one
Speaker 5: hundred percent didn't know. And I and over the years
Speaker 5: from being with TIGS, I can look back and go, oh,
Speaker 5: I wasn't. I wasn't connecting with men, I wasn't falling
Speaker 5: in love with men. I was I liked them.
Speaker 3: I thought they were cute, I thought they were cool.
Speaker 5: I would gravitated towards the ones I liked probably the
Speaker 5: most as friends and thought we're cute pretty much. And
Speaker 5: then but in that part of myself, it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I bet there are so many women at many ages
Speaker 5: that they don't they're not really in love with the
Speaker 5: person there with and they felt they they and they're
Speaker 5: not going, oh, it's because I'm gay.
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's so much too in the in
Speaker 1: the narrative. This is something I've spent last year really
Speaker 1: talking to a lot of friends about. Like you hear
Speaker 1: these tropes right, like marriage is hard, relatedationships take work,
Speaker 1: you have to settle down. And I think there's there's
Speaker 1: this sort of assumption. I don't think we realize how
Speaker 1: deep heteronormativity runs. Like we know the stats. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm like, how many people you know identify as fill
Speaker 1: in the blank, you know, straight, gay, by queer, whatever,
Speaker 1: But like, I think so many women are like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm settling a little bit. Everyone says everything's hard, all
Speaker 1: my friends hate their husbands all and you sort of
Speaker 1: go like, oh, and then maybe that's not it, Like
Speaker 1: Right after my last breakup, one of my best friends
Speaker 1: looked at me and was like, I gotta say, like
Speaker 1: that was just painful to watch, and I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you're getting out of it. But like I don't just
Speaker 1: think like he was not the right person for you,
Speaker 1: but also like I don't actually think you like men.
Speaker 1: And there was sort of this aha moment where I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, maybe the drama when like I fell
Speaker 1: in love with this beautiful French exchange student when I
Speaker 1: was sixteen, Like wasn't about her being a girl, it
Speaker 1: was like that she lived in France, and my parents
Speaker 1: were like, this feels irrational and really like a setup
Speaker 1: for heartbreak for you you're sixteen. And like maybe when I
Speaker 1: was twenty five and some friends who I think met
Speaker 1: well but who were like, you've mostly dated men. You
Speaker 1: can't say you're by And then I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like the queer community has been like my
Speaker 1: home and is the home of my whole family since
Speaker 1: I was old enough to understand that, like Uncle Tony
Speaker 1: had a boyfriend and not a girlfriend, Like I would
Speaker 1: never want to hurt the people I care the most about, right,
Speaker 1: who've been like in this fight for liberation for so long,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get out of the way.
Speaker 2: And then it was like, well, maybe I don't have
Speaker 2: to like get out of the way.
Speaker 1: Maybe I just get to like who I like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a revolutionary idea. And Dakota's in the movie being
Speaker 1: like I'm thirty two, shouldn't I know this by now?
Speaker 2: And I was like try being forty one?
Speaker 1: Hello, Yeah, Like I get it, And I just I'm
Speaker 1: so excited you've made this movie because no matter what
Speaker 1: it is you're looking for, I think there's real power
Speaker 1: in expanding your purview of what might make you happy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it is so special to like watch somebody sure
Speaker 1: have to come to terms with their identity, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't want every queer story to have to be
Speaker 1: about suffering, because they're not. There's so much joy and
Speaker 1: beauty and all of the things, and like your love
Speaker 1: story is so beautiful and like I die for do
Speaker 1: you want to go make out of my car?
Speaker 2: And like, I don't know, I want more of that
Speaker 2: on screen.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I feel like sitting and watching
Speaker 1: this movie that you two made, I was like.
Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this movie. I love this movie.
Speaker 1: Tig was it was it like an interesting thing because obviously,
Speaker 1: well for folks at home, I should hope you've seen it,
Speaker 1: but if you haven't, get your shit together. Stephanie directed
Speaker 1: Tig's most recent special, So you've been directed by your wife.
Speaker 1: Was it an interesting thing for the two of you
Speaker 1: to go to work and direct together. Do you feel like,
Speaker 1: because of your relationship and the fact that you're both
Speaker 1: phenomenal comedians, it gave you this amazing shorthand or did
Speaker 1: you go to work some days and be like this
Speaker 1: is so weird, Like normally we're talking about workover coffee
Speaker 1: and now we're on set telling people what to do.
Speaker 4: No, it feels so natural. Stephanie and I I feel
Speaker 4: like we just flow in and out of work and
Speaker 4: marriage and kids and everything. We I don't feel like
Speaker 4: we're career focused couple where that's like the leading vibe
Speaker 4: in our house, because I feel like we are very
Speaker 4: much a family and a couple with children. But we
Speaker 4: have act we met on in a world. We've acted together,
Speaker 4: we've produced, we've written, created, we've done everything together, and
Speaker 4: we have such a similar senseility and we make each
Speaker 4: other laugh so deeply. I mean, we make each other
Speaker 4: laugh so hard, and and I feel and I always
Speaker 4: explain it, like we do have that similar sensibility and
Speaker 4: then we have slightly different ideas and thoughts and feelings
Speaker 4: about whatever, and those differences I think elevate our projects perfectly.
Speaker 4: I mean, whether people are into them or not, we
Speaker 4: walk away going yeah, that feels right. And we love
Speaker 4: being on set together. And uh, even when we're doing
Speaker 4: separate projects, inevitably one of us texts saying I wish
Speaker 4: you were here, like I wish you were on set
Speaker 4: with me today. Yeah, and that's true. And also just
Speaker 4: like we have hard days at home as a married
Speaker 4: couple and as parents or just people in the world,
Speaker 4: we have hard days on sets, but I feel like
Speaker 4: it's very few and far between, and we can we
Speaker 4: can get through that, just like we get through our
Speaker 4: days that are rough at home.
Speaker 1: Well, it's really interesting because like that sort of hard
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, I think it's such an aha
Speaker 1: when you realize that, like there's constructive hard and then
Speaker 1: there's like torture hard and constructive heart is pretty cool
Speaker 1: because you're building something together. And like the whole time
Speaker 1: you were answering that question, the image that kept coming
Speaker 1: to my mind, was like the way bees build a
Speaker 1: beehive and the honeycomb, and like the group project that
Speaker 1: requires flow, like you're talking about, and when you have
Speaker 1: flow as an artist, I think it can make you
Speaker 1: feel so creative and so free. And if you manage
Speaker 1: to create flow in a family with you two as
Speaker 1: a unit and with your children, and like you're you're
Speaker 1: building something that's greater than the summer of its parts.
Speaker 1: And how totally cool you get to do that together.
Speaker 4: I feel lucky. But what if we threw it to
Speaker 4: Stephanie now and she's like, it's a living.
Speaker 3: What they talk about.
Speaker 2: She's like, well, it's really interesting.
Speaker 4: She gets very she's a nightmare.
Speaker 3: One nightmare.
Speaker 1: Get this woman her order from craft service quickly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think Tick and I have that in common truly
Speaker 5: across the board, and we I think other people pointed
Speaker 5: out to us, and then that's how we kind of
Speaker 5: were like, oh, yeah, we really don't think about that
Speaker 5: or care about that, or we were not worried about that.
Speaker 5: That's sort of like grasping energy. I don't think either
Speaker 5: of us have.
Speaker 4: That's really cool, like a desperate panic anything. I think
Speaker 4: it's unnerving to some people that were like we're going
Speaker 4: to whatever. Yeah, we're gonna do our best. We hope
Speaker 4: this works out. We hope this comes out. We hope
Speaker 4: this and that and if not, onto the next thing.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't feel like we both have that
Speaker 4: clinging to things in a panic. It has to happen
Speaker 4: like this. It's like you have to remain fluid, I
Speaker 4: mean through all of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this, this circus we all work in
Speaker 1: is so bizarre. You kind of have to hold everything
Speaker 1: with an open hand. Otherwise you're like punching yourself in
Speaker 1: the face with a closed fit.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: I know I always tell people what I remember. Well,
Speaker 4: I don't have to go into the example, but just
Speaker 4: I always think about everybody's trying to get in the
Speaker 4: front door. Everybody is in a long line just trying
Speaker 4: to get in that front door. And it's like okay,
Speaker 4: well or see if there's a back door, or maybe
Speaker 4: go see if you can open the window or wait. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but whatever it is, it's like, people get in this
Speaker 4: like we got to do this, we got it. This
Speaker 4: is the way to go, this is how we have
Speaker 4: to do it. And it's like eh, or yeah, head home.
Speaker 4: This other thing another day, or yeah, see if a
Speaker 4: window opens.
Speaker 1: I feel like you have excellent blood pressure. It's just nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your doctor must be like, well done.
Speaker 4: No, my doctor is like, are you alive? Yeah? My
Speaker 4: blood pressure runs so low, which got me into many,
Speaker 4: many terrible medical situations. Oh, dear, but I think I'm
Speaker 4: but yes, you're alive. I'm alive. I'm alive.
Speaker 2: Thankfully you are here.
Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors that I really
Speaker 1: enjoy and I think you will too.
Speaker 2: Was it an interesting thing? Because I read a little bit.
Speaker 1: About how, you know, the the merger with like the
Speaker 1: studio was happening, and you'd made this movie, and was
Speaker 1: it gonna come out?
Speaker 2: Was it not?
Speaker 1: We've got all these weird people who don't seem to
Speaker 1: care about movies, who run movies tod now, who like
Speaker 1: throw movies away for tax write offs, which is crushing
Speaker 1: for us artistic humans. And now here it is like
Speaker 1: it's it's coming, It's arrived. It's wonderful. How long, because
Speaker 1: I do think people at home don't know how long
Speaker 1: this stuff takes, Like, how long did it take from
Speaker 1: beginning to do this to finally it's June twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: and this movie's coming out on HBO.
Speaker 2: Max.
Speaker 5: I think we signed on to the project in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, and then we were about to start
Speaker 5: shooting right before the pandemic. And then we were one
Speaker 5: of the first projects up and running in twenty twenty
Speaker 5: one where we were like in masks and shields and
Speaker 5: you know, before the vaccine and then and then it
Speaker 5: went to Sundance, and then it was two years after
Speaker 5: it went to Sundance in twenty twenty two, and so
Speaker 5: now it's been two years since then.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm saying this definitely much. I think about
Speaker 4: when you see award shows and somebody's accepting an award
Speaker 4: and they're like, I just want to thank this person
Speaker 4: for believing in the film. This took us ten years
Speaker 4: to get here involved, and I would sit at home thinking,
Speaker 4: why did it take them ten years? You're doing yeah,
Speaker 4: and you don't understand that it's a game of Djenga.
Speaker 4: You get an actor and then it falls apart and
Speaker 4: their schedule of moves, and then you lose a tax credit,
Speaker 4: and then you have to go from La to New Jersey.
Speaker 4: There's just a million different things they're financing falls through
Speaker 4: and it's just an ongoing game of djengo.
Speaker 2: It really really is.
Speaker 1: It's like it reminds me of that Carnival game where
Speaker 1: like the guy has all those solo cups and one
Speaker 1: of them has a ball on it and you're just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where the ball's going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally manic.
Speaker 5: And people would always like ask us, like when's am
Speaker 5: I okay coming out? Where's am I okay? And it's
Speaker 5: like we don't let us know. Yeah, we have no clue.
Speaker 4: But also why isn't it called am I okay.
Speaker 3: Or am i gay?
Speaker 2: Is it too late?
Speaker 1: Like the cover artists just turn it around for you.
Speaker 4: Or it's the eye when it comes out in Ireland
Speaker 4: it can be am I okay, okay? Apologies, you know.
Speaker 1: And then oh and then the bottom of the question
Speaker 1: mark is a teeny diny little four leaf clover. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's correct, It's I love it, is it? I have
Speaker 1: a question for you too, because this is something I
Speaker 1: find sort of fascinating. And Stephanie, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you experienced this, but like I watched Jane ask Lucy
Speaker 1: in the movie, like you really didn't have any thoughts
Speaker 1: about this or like how long have you felt this way?
Speaker 1: You didn't have any sort of inkling And they have
Speaker 1: such great chemistry, like they're such beautiful intimacy and their friendship,
Speaker 1: and I think the notion of platonic chemistry can confuse
Speaker 1: some people. And I definitely had a moment where I
Speaker 1: was like, I guess maybe I thought the pool of
Speaker 1: like women that I liked versus like your earlier point men,
Speaker 1: was just smaller. And I was like, I don't mean
Speaker 1: this to sound insane, but like, look at all my friends,
Speaker 1: Like they're hot, they're brilliant, like they're so amazing, and
Speaker 1: I've never wanted to like sleep with any of them.
Speaker 1: And then one of my guy friends was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but straight guys always try to sleep with all their
Speaker 1: female friends, so like is that maybe why you think that?
Speaker 2: And I was like, huh, that's really right.
Speaker 1: It's really super interesting because I do think like when
Speaker 1: you have your best friends as a woman, like you
Speaker 1: love each other. Like I am in platonic love with
Speaker 1: my best friends for sure, Yeah, but like it's such
Speaker 1: a different situation and like knowing that you know a
Speaker 1: lot of straight dudes run studios, I'm like, did someone
Speaker 1: never try to pitch to you that Lucy would admit
Speaker 1: that she was in love with Jane, Like did you
Speaker 1: have to fight that battle to be like, no, that
Speaker 1: is her best friend, that is not the person she's
Speaker 1: interested in, or or did people get it and leave
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 4: B I think people got that, Okay.
Speaker 2: Goods Well.
Speaker 5: I do feel like there were early conversations of wanting
Speaker 5: to define it. I don't think anybody was like forcing
Speaker 5: an agenda, but I think there were a lot of
Speaker 5: conversations of like, well, what are are they falling in
Speaker 5: love with each other?
Speaker 3: Are they not? If they're not, then they're not.
Speaker 5: And I think we always were like it doesn't matter,
Speaker 5: they're friends, Like I.
Speaker 4: Don't even remember that. I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 2: It's very open hand, yes, but.
Speaker 5: I think even that is like, no, they are best friends,
Speaker 5: and that we don't want to like put a scene
Speaker 5: in that's going like see they're definitely friends, or a
Speaker 5: scene where it's like, oh they might be you know,
Speaker 5: It's like it is what you're saying, they're friends, and
Speaker 5: there's a lot of intimacy and we I think girls
Speaker 5: do that they like have they sleep in the same bed,
Speaker 5: very platonically and it's there's never it never crosses their
Speaker 5: mind and they can be really physically close and that's
Speaker 5: that's like a joy. And so that's what I mean,
Speaker 5: that's what their friendship is in the movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it's such a special thing to
Speaker 1: show people what healthy intimacy looks like in every form
Speaker 1: between friends, between lovers. Like it's it's really really just refreshing.
Speaker 2: I feel like I know all of these people, uh huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's also nice to see a movie about
Speaker 1: women in their thirties who don't have everything figured out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I love that you've.
Speaker 1: Created something in that space between like the teen TV
Speaker 1: shows so many of us grew up doing and then
Speaker 1: like playing the mom on the teen TV show, which
Speaker 1: is fun, but right, like, there's this whole juicy section
Speaker 1: of our lives that.
Speaker 7: I don't feel like we get as much content about, yeah,
Speaker 7: and where people feel confused and they are in a
Speaker 7: gray zone and they also feel really young and this
Speaker 7: sort of like idea to advance that or you know,
Speaker 7: like I don't know, I think we were both really
Speaker 7: drawn to that part of it, that it was someone
Speaker 7: in their thirties.
Speaker 1: And maybe not everybody has their dream job yet or
Speaker 1: maybe not. Everybody is in the right relationship and is
Speaker 1: going through the moment where they have to start over
Speaker 1: it all. It all felt really really Yeah, refreshing is
Speaker 1: the word that I keep kind of coming back to.
Speaker 2: That's so nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, something that we just screened it at NewFest in
Speaker 5: New York and something that came up during that, which
Speaker 5: I also feel like is an important piece of it.
Speaker 5: It's just that it's like, in terms of the friendship,
Speaker 5: it's like, this is her best friend who she tells
Speaker 5: everything to, and she has to come out to her too,
Speaker 5: you know, and that's like just as hard. And I
Speaker 5: feel like, aside from whether it be sexuality, when you
Speaker 5: want to change something in your life, whether it's career,
Speaker 5: a relationship, the way you dress, your house, color, the
Speaker 5: color palette you like, and anything but those things, I
Speaker 5: feel like people in your life, whether it's family members, friends,
Speaker 5: they often sometimes don't want you to change, and there's
Speaker 5: this pressure to be like, well, that's not you. What
Speaker 5: are you wearing that's not you?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: You like that now?
Speaker 5: And there's this sort of attitude of like how dare
Speaker 5: you change? And so I think it keeps people like
Speaker 5: in these decisions that they made really young and there,
Speaker 5: and it just.
Speaker 3: Go, oh, that's me.
Speaker 5: That's how I dress, that's what I like, that's what
Speaker 5: I do. Yeah, the career I chose, and so I
Speaker 5: have to. And I think the beauty of this is
Speaker 5: that you're like, if you don't like it anymore, that's
Speaker 5: what humans do. We evolve, we change, and you should
Speaker 5: and the people around you should go cool.
Speaker 3: What are you into now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And that was the relation. The friendship needed to evolve
Speaker 3: in that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: To be loved by people who want you to know
Speaker 1: yourself better and better, yeah, I think is the greatest gift.
Speaker 1: And and it's a really interesting thing. This theme has
Speaker 1: come up so much lately. I like, I literally have goosebumps.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing pants, so I can't demonstrate, but I.
Speaker 2: I'm like kicking a leg.
Speaker 1: But it's a friend of mine said to me recently.
Speaker 1: Anybody who rejects a happier or more evolved version of
Speaker 1: you never really wanted you to be happy in the
Speaker 1: first place.
Speaker 2: They liked you being small.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And it's like, so to have somebody who will look
Speaker 1: at you and say, like, anything that makes you more
Speaker 1: fulfilled happier, any any change you go through that has
Speaker 1: you sleeping better, like I'm here for it, and that
Speaker 1: I think is really really important to show people as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's cool to be in that curiosity. It's
Speaker 5: cool to go God like, I'm being drawn to this
Speaker 5: for some reason and yeah, oh, I wonder why this
Speaker 5: is speaking to me right now. And to just have
Speaker 5: your friends going like, huh.
Speaker 6: That's interesting, you know, yeah, yeah, and talking about it
Speaker 6: making a movie like this, especially when you know you
Speaker 6: get pandemic delayed and as you said, Tig like the
Speaker 6: Jenga pieces are moving around so much.
Speaker 1: Did the delays give you, guys, you know, as directors
Speaker 1: with your writers, because I know Lauren wrote it, but
Speaker 1: it's based on her real life friendship right with her
Speaker 1: best friend Jessica, who's a producer. Did that give the
Speaker 1: four of you and then Dakota opportunities to just sit
Speaker 1: and do versions of this, to like and talk about relationships,
Speaker 1: you know, over meals while you were waiting or were
Speaker 1: you like, Okay, well, while this is delayed, we'll all
Speaker 1: go do these other projects and like, hopefully remember the
Speaker 1: details of this when we come back.
Speaker 5: I think we were really ready to go and then
Speaker 5: and we had I think we had yes. I think
Speaker 5: the first part we had tons of time to discuss
Speaker 5: everything and to really have time with Lauren, have time
Speaker 5: with da Code, have time with all the cast. And
Speaker 5: then once it was like into COVID and it was
Speaker 5: shutting down, I.
Speaker 3: Think everybody was scared.
Speaker 5: Like I think the cod the reality of COVID was
Speaker 5: a very different vibe.
Speaker 3: Would you feel that way through?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: How did you guys manage to navigate that because coming
Speaker 1: back to work in twenty twenty one, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, for our friends at home, it was a
Speaker 1: very scary time. You know, the testing protocols on sets
Speaker 1: were really rigorous. There were departments that were never allowed
Speaker 1: to interact with each other. You know, sets are sort
Speaker 1: of like being in the circus, like everybody's working on
Speaker 1: this crazy project and performance together, and suddenly, during the pandemic,
Speaker 1: the height of it, the experience was very bifurcated among
Speaker 1: all the departments. So were there changes you had to make,
Speaker 1: were there people you had to take, you know, out
Speaker 1: of scenes, or were you sort of able to work
Speaker 1: around most of what was on the page and keep
Speaker 1: it feeling the same on screen.
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like I can't remember specifics, but
Speaker 4: I do feel like things had to shift because of COVID,
Speaker 4: And I'm trying to think of what that was exactly,
Speaker 4: don't you feel. Yeah, we had casts.
Speaker 5: That we lost that we had to shift because you
Speaker 5: could only kind of be on one if you were
Speaker 5: shooting in another city, and you couldn't you couldn't go
Speaker 5: back and forth with the different sets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you couldn't. Even even if you were in LA
Speaker 4: you couldn't work on right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we did recast for people that had conflicts
Speaker 5: with other things. And then it's also just a weird
Speaker 5: way to go about filmmaking because that you're in like
Speaker 5: little pods of who you're you can talk to, you know.
Speaker 5: So there's like the crew and then there's like the writer, director, producers,
Speaker 5: and then the actors, and so we did we had
Speaker 5: to communicate a lot through like our assistant director who
Speaker 5: was you know, with the actors and giving notes over
Speaker 5: you know, speaker, which feels not ideal. So that the
Speaker 5: sort of like that thing that's so great on set
Speaker 5: of everybody kind of being really together and intimate, we
Speaker 5: lost that. And I think that's what's such a massive
Speaker 5: testament to Sonoya and to because they were able to really.
Speaker 3: Convey that in.
Speaker 5: A situation where they were like separated and masked, you know,
Speaker 5: until they were shooting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did such a phenomenal job. Yeah, it's so
Speaker 4: fun to watch it in front of a live audience
Speaker 4: here in New York a couple of nights ago. It
Speaker 4: was explosive, Like the laughter and the tears and the
Speaker 4: energy was so so much filling the room. It was
Speaker 4: really exciting to all these years later land in that
Speaker 4: theater and get that response, especially when it seemed like
Speaker 4: the movie went away. Yeah, and so it was. It was.
Speaker 4: It was a nice, a nice evening, to say the least.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you guys got to have that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and now a word from our wonderful sponsors.
Speaker 1: One of the things I enjoyed so much, And it's
Speaker 1: interesting to think about you guys having to do this
Speaker 1: again at the you know, sort of height of masking
Speaker 1: and and all of that strange separation on set.
Speaker 2: Like one of the things I.
Speaker 1: Really love that you did so much of in this
Speaker 1: movie is you let their looks and reactions to each
Speaker 1: other communicate a lot, not just the dialogue. And one
Speaker 1: of the things I've found historically, you know, on some
Speaker 1: of the TV that I've worked on, which you know,
Speaker 1: I love a show because you get to week after.
Speaker 2: Week discover someone.
Speaker 1: But when you have to fit into that you know,
Speaker 1: perfect timing so they can stick the commercials where they
Speaker 1: want to, you lose a lot of that air. You
Speaker 1: lose like looks before someone says something or whatever because
Speaker 1: they're trying to get.
Speaker 2: It for time.
Speaker 1: And I always am really taken aback in a good
Speaker 1: way when I get to watch people have the air
Speaker 1: to see each other and get all their little visual
Speaker 1: reactions in around the words that they're speaking. And I
Speaker 1: thought the chemistry between them in their looks and their
Speaker 1: physical comedy and responses to each other was so excellent.
Speaker 1: And it's wild to think that they managed to do
Speaker 1: all of that and communicate all of that when they
Speaker 1: had to mostly be separated when the cameras weren't rolling.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, And.
Speaker 3: Then that is so nice to hear because I feel
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 5: I just I love actors so much, and I feel
Speaker 5: like when movies used to take their time and just
Speaker 5: the pacing was really slow, it was like it's like
Speaker 5: so beautiful to get to watch actors for like those
Speaker 5: longer spaces, and not that this movie is long in
Speaker 5: any way, but it's just that was certainly a goal.
Speaker 3: It's so nice to hear.
Speaker 1: It definitely doesn't feel long. It just feels like it's breathing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I don't feel like I'm watching people live life.
Speaker 2: On one point five X.
Speaker 1: It's very, very lovely to be in the world that
Speaker 1: you made. And just as an you know, native Angelina,
Speaker 1: I also was thrilled to see the one zero one
Speaker 1: cafe in scenes.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, it's.
Speaker 5: Home, which actually, by the way, that was a benefit
Speaker 5: of COVID. It's all of those places we shot at
Speaker 5: we could not do. We couldn't we didn't have the
Speaker 5: budget for that, and they couldn't close those down and
Speaker 5: for permits or whatever. And then when we shot during COVID,
Speaker 5: everyone was like, please come in here, you know, he's
Speaker 5: with shut everything was closed, so we like got to
Speaker 5: really shoot in those types of places.
Speaker 1: That's so cool and it's interesting. Like when you say
Speaker 1: I love actors so much, I do too. I just
Speaker 1: I love I love everyone in our funny little family
Speaker 1: who shows up and is like, hey, let me be
Speaker 1: as vulnerable as possible all of these strangers and equipment and.
Speaker 2: See how it goes and like and then take.
Speaker 1: I find it's so funny because you'll talk about how
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't identify as an actor like I
Speaker 1: did a spittake when you recently were like, could you
Speaker 1: imagine if they cut to me like at the saga words?
Speaker 2: And I was like, Oh, I'm an actor.
Speaker 1: Stoup, Like what why do you think that that feels
Speaker 1: weird for you? Because you are like a comedian, an actor,
Speaker 1: a director or producer, a writer, like you're very good
Speaker 1: at this.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that term feels so like?
Speaker 4: Oh, well, I just I mean I very much am
Speaker 4: a stand up comedian that stumbled into this because my
Speaker 4: friends had TV shows, and Zach Galafanakis was the first
Speaker 4: person that hired me to act on his TV series
Speaker 4: that he had years ago, and it just kind of
Speaker 4: kept happening, and I kept thinking like, oh, this is
Speaker 4: a weird little thing I'm going to do for a
Speaker 4: few episodes and then I'll be back to stand up.
Speaker 4: And of course I did always go back to stand up,
Speaker 4: but then the acting kept happening, and I think I
Speaker 4: just feel like an impostor. It's like, I'm on the
Speaker 4: season three of the Morning Show and my childhood friend,
Speaker 4: who I've known since I was five, she calls me
Speaker 4: leaves a message saying, Okay, so I'm sitting here watching
Speaker 4: you in a scene with John Hamm and Jennifer Aniston,
Speaker 4: and I'm just thinking to myself, how the hell did
Speaker 4: this happen? You know, it's nobody. When I was growing up,
Speaker 4: I was never like, oh my god, I want to
Speaker 4: be an actor. But I think I just identify as
Speaker 4: a comedian and I get acting gigs sometimes and I
Speaker 4: appreciate them tremendously, and I have so Stephanie makes fun
Speaker 4: of me because I have so much fun acting, not
Speaker 4: necessarily acting, but hanging out with people on set, you
Speaker 4: know where. She'll call and she's like, oh, are you
Speaker 4: making are you making new friends? And I'm like yeah.
Speaker 5: The people that take like they stay in character, they
Speaker 5: listen to music, They're like very into the scene they're doing,
Speaker 5: they know where, you know, all of that stuff. Tig
Speaker 5: is like at having snacks, going.
Speaker 3: Like, oh where are you from?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just like, uh, like a little social butterfly
Speaker 4: on set, just wanting to hang out and chat and
Speaker 4: get to know everyone. And so when people ask if
Speaker 4: I enjoy acting, I say I do, but it's really
Speaker 4: it's the people that I'm connecting with on set that
Speaker 4: that's making it enjoyable.
Speaker 5: You share the one thing you often do on set
Speaker 5: that you yell out? Which one the one that I
Speaker 5: the one that you will yell out to like a
Speaker 5: director in between takes.
Speaker 4: I don't know if this will come across I just like,
Speaker 4: because I don't avoid, because I love it, because I
Speaker 4: this is of course, after I've kind of established myself
Speaker 4: and relationships on set and people understand my personality for
Speaker 4: the most part, one of my favorite things is just
Speaker 4: to randomly yell out I'm bored, are like, what is that?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: During setup time or like mid take?
Speaker 4: Yeah, just any time great, you know. But also when
Speaker 4: a director is coming towards me with a note, oftentimes
Speaker 4: I would say ninety five percent of the time I
Speaker 4: stop them and I say, before you say anything, just
Speaker 4: know that I have no range. Okay, what what were
Speaker 4: you going to say? But everything I do, it's I
Speaker 4: always say, it's Tig in a police uniform, Tig in space.
Speaker 4: Tig you know, is the fix It guy on the
Speaker 4: Morning show, and it's just, you know, I I but
Speaker 4: I do. I enjoy it. I just feel like an
Speaker 4: impostor saying I'm an actor.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're doing pretty well at it.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you.
Speaker 2: I hate to break it to you.
Speaker 3: You're an actor.
Speaker 2: You're an actor.
Speaker 4: I'm a comedian taking on actor jobs.
Speaker 2: You're a multi hyphenet.
Speaker 4: Is that I guess?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you it could be upcoming projects. It could
Speaker 1: be I don't know, making a model of the universe
Speaker 1: with the kids for a science fair. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: But what when you look ahead at your summer and
Speaker 1: through the rest of the year, feels like you're work
Speaker 1: in progress. Now, now that the movie's coming out.
Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like just across the board.
Speaker 4: What is always a work in progress for me is
Speaker 4: maintaining everything I have. You know, I always talk to
Speaker 4: Stephanie about I'm not in what I'm doing to take
Speaker 4: over the world or Hollywood or anything like that. I
Speaker 4: want to maintain my marriage, my family life, my connection
Speaker 4: with my children and my friends. And I want to
Speaker 4: keep working. I want to stay on my health. I
Speaker 4: want to I just I that's really an ongoing work
Speaker 4: in progress for me, and I think that's every year,
Speaker 4: every summer, everything for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I also like want to have what we have,
Speaker 5: keep having what we're having. But I feel like for
Speaker 5: me right now, it's really keeping my brain and body
Speaker 5: in like a space of openness and creativity because I
Speaker 5: can feel the world sometimes the world where you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: I got to do all these things and you're you're
Speaker 5: just not in flow.
Speaker 3: And for me, I.
Speaker 5: Feel like the more I can stay in that space,
Speaker 5: the better I feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, keep the flow going.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would be remiss not before I let
Speaker 1: you both go to talk about your podcast take because
Speaker 1: clearly we're on a podcast, and I will say our
Speaker 1: work in progress audience is both smart and funny, and
Speaker 1: Handsome really feels like a zone for smart, funny people.
Speaker 1: So can you tell our little whip smart audience a
Speaker 1: little bit about what you and Fortune themest are and
Speaker 1: May Martin do together.
Speaker 4: Well, it's pretty much just NonStop ridiculousness. It is our
Speaker 4: weekly podcast, Handsome. We get questions from our guests and
Speaker 4: we just chit chat about it and it's it's Yeah,
Speaker 4: We've gotten a really great response from our listeners in
Speaker 4: the world around us. So it's really fun. And if
Speaker 4: anybody's curious to hear some nonsense, check out the Handsome podcast.
Speaker 2: I would call it wise nonsense.
Speaker 1: And I would also like to say I don't host
Speaker 1: your podcast, but I am a fan and I get
Speaker 1: a great response because I wear the little cowboy hat
Speaker 1: every time I fly.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think is adorable and I.
Speaker 1: Love to flyind a baseball cap and the number of
Speaker 1: people in the airport who stop me to be like,
Speaker 1: I really like your hat, and I'm like, hey, have
Speaker 1: you heard of this podcast? And people will be like,
Speaker 1: is it yours? And I'm like, no, I actually have
Speaker 1: a different podcast, but my friends do this one and
Speaker 1: they're hilarious, and so you should subscribe to both.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: You've made me very popular at LAX.
Speaker 4: Oh good. Well, it's my pleasure.
Speaker 2: So thank you for the show and the merch.
Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah, thanks for getting the hat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thank you both so much for joining me today.
Speaker 1: Thank you for making am I okay. It's so much
Speaker 1: fun and congrats, thank you thanks for having me