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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where if the season just started

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Speaker 1: at Thanksgiving, we've got a whole lot of Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: favorites who are.

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Speaker 2: Having a miserable season.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm Greg Rosenthal recapping the Black Friday Game, the

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Speaker 1: three Thanksgiving games. I'm doing it from my garage in

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Speaker 1: Santa Monica, and I'm doing it with my friend Ali

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Speaker 1: Connolly of the Read Optional podcast and Substack, who's all

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Speaker 1: the way over in Manchester. Ali, I'm glad you are

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Speaker 1: the one joining me here for this show, because I

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Speaker 1: feel like the NFL is not the same as it

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Speaker 1: was a couple of days ago, that these two days,

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Speaker 1: these four games in the NFL have probably transformed like

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Speaker 1: how this season looks, maybe more than any week that

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Speaker 1: we've had so.

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Speaker 3: Far this season.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. Everything feels off its axis, all

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Speaker 2: the super so cool at the backs, essentially seemingly if

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Speaker 2: not out at the playoff punt, right on the bubble

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Speaker 2: of will they make it or no? All of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you start really buying into the Cowboys going on this run,

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Speaker 2: maybe getting into division contention. And then the Bears, I mean,

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Speaker 2: we talked about them, was it less Saturday? And some

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Speaker 2: of the kryptonites and concerns, and all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: I kind of ticking some of them off week by

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Speaker 2: week like they could really be a probem in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were gonna start with the game in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: But what we have a lot to get to. The

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Speaker 1: Chiefs Cowboys game was to me as fascinating as there

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Speaker 1: was a game all season. The creeping, you know, discomfort

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Speaker 1: with this Ravens team will hit that at the end.

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Speaker 1: But why don't we start, Yes, in Philadelphia and with

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Speaker 1: this NFC North race that the Bears just stubbornly refuse

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Speaker 1: to bow out of.

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Speaker 3: They're in first place going into December.

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Speaker 2: Paul the twenty eight snap pick.

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Speaker 4: Caleb fakes the swift, rolling to his left, being chased,

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Speaker 4: Gonna throw deep.

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Speaker 1: He's got comet over the shoulder, hands out, touchdown, Bears touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Cole come back, you want to play?

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Speaker 4: Called by Ben Johnson, had a throw perfectly timed Caleb

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Speaker 3: Bears at steadily twenty three to nine.

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Speaker 1: Oh on a windy, cold night in Philadelphia. It was

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Speaker 1: the running game for the Chicago Bears, but it was

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Speaker 1: also the play calling. Great call there by Jeff Joniac

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Speaker 1: on w MVP. Caleb Williams to Cole Comet. Wasn't a

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Speaker 1: lot of passing in this game, but man, that was

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Speaker 1: well timed, as was a lot of third down calls

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Speaker 1: from Ben Johnson the Bears. For them end up cruising

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Speaker 1: twenty four to fifteen, and it could have been even

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Speaker 1: worse on the scoreboard. Allie, this was a mollywoppin two

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty one yards on the ground from the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 3: How did they do it?

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Speaker 2: They just manhandled them. I mean they bullied them up front.

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Speaker 2: It was all kind of the creativity of Ben Jonson

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Speaker 2: the run game and he'll get a bunch of those

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Speaker 2: play but they just went manol man a lot of

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Speaker 2: the time and just bullied them. And the score is

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Speaker 2: a really kind reflection. I thought the Eagles response defensely

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Speaker 2: was pretty poll for someone of Fanjo's statua not having

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Speaker 2: the ability to kind of mix up on the fly.

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Speaker 2: Understood some of what he was trying to get away with,

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Speaker 2: but the payoff comes on some of the play action

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Speaker 2: shots they were able to hit. Not a great game

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Speaker 2: for Caleb Williams, probably back to back weeks while he's

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Speaker 2: not being his best, but they just dominated them with

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Speaker 2: the ground game, and the Eagles had no response. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think the wind.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to know without being there, but the teams

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Speaker 1: But you're right, the game could have been a bigger blowout,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to that part of it. But you

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Speaker 1: look at the running numbers. There were two one hundred

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Speaker 1: yard rushers for the Chicago Bears in this game before

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter started. That hadn't happened. Two one hundred

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Speaker 1: yard rushers for this team since the eighty five Bears

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Speaker 1: the last two weeks, it was ninety last week, it

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Speaker 1: I think the Bears were really confident that we are

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Speaker 1: Forty seven plays in the first half, and even though

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt the Eagles will gassed by the second quota.

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Speaker 2: I mean they finished with eleven miss tackles. There was

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Speaker 2: a really brutal game. Meanwhile, Jihad Campbell plays zero defensive snaps,

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Speaker 2: so wow, to try and change the defensive personnel and

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Speaker 2: j Johnson put you in this impossible bund The Eagles

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Speaker 2: want to play with a light box, they get completely

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Speaker 2: way Ben Johnson calls the running game means you're pretty

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Speaker 2: limited in how many bodies you can actually stick down there,

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Speaker 2: because if someone misses, there's nothing behind you to try

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Speaker 2: and figure out some when you've got all the creativity

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Speaker 2: in misdirection and they lead the league in play action.

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Speaker 2: You're just panicked all the time that something's coming over

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Speaker 2: and it's a wrap, so it kind of forces you

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Speaker 2: to play a bit more static, be a little lights

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Speaker 2: from the front, and that Bears line is just crushing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Darna Wright has been the breakout from the line,

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Speaker 1: but you have to give the front office and Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson's vision credit, especially after that first month of the

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Speaker 1: greater than the son of their Parts team right now,

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Speaker 1: which is really tough. I mean, you don't normally see

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Speaker 1: think about the differences between where this Bears team is

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Speaker 1: because I mean, that's night and eight.

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Speaker 3: This is a nine and three Bears team.

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Speaker 1: But the Eagles where they were a year ago, they

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Speaker 1: everyone's saying, yeah, but they're winning games now, they're not

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Speaker 1: winning games against better competition. And the running game stuck

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Speaker 1: out tonight under thirty six success rate in terms of percentage.

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Speaker 1: But Jalen Hurts I thought had a rough go of

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Speaker 1: where it didn't seem like they could take advantage of

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: I thought the game plan was egregiously bad. I thought

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hoods was egregiously bad. You've kind of bundle the

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Speaker 2: two together and it's just becomes a complete night. Man.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're getting booed off by the fans on

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Speaker 2: the first three and out of the game, and it

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Speaker 2: felt fair. This is the defending champs coming into the

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Speaker 2: the foods were valid, the boos were valid. It was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: after they saw what happened with the Cowboys last week,

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Speaker 2: it made a bunch of sense. And Hurts in particularly

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Speaker 2: just I thought his brain was completely scrambled by a

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Speaker 2: really pretty placid static defense on the back end. To

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was like a lot of blitzing from Dennis

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Speaker 1: Allen and the Bears, but like most of the Bears

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Speaker 1: defensive games lately, there wasn't a ton of pressure still,

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Speaker 1: like the pressure rate was very low even though the

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Speaker 1: blitz rate was high. I'm thinking of, you know, the

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Speaker 1: early slant that they had potentially to DeVante Smith where

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Speaker 1: that could have gone for a touchdown and Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 2: On that same play, Dallas Gutta is wide open down

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Speaker 2: the sea has two touchdowns the same play. He misreads

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not sure if he thought DeVante Smith

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Speaker 3: And yeah, he miss his throws.

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Speaker 1: Like towards the end of the game, he starts having

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Speaker 1: actually a great game by AJ Brown. He finishes with

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Speaker 1: but he was making it happened. But I just don't

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Speaker 1: it's the offensive line, Like it can't feel great going

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Speaker 1: into halftime. And you mentioned the booze are loud. After

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Speaker 1: the first drive of the game, the booze were insanely

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Speaker 1: the kid, you know, going double bird, and then the father,

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Speaker 3: Son, like hugging him after that. That was one of

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Speaker 3: my one of my favorite images of the entire season.

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Speaker 2: Just a beautiful holiday moment for everyone to enjoy internationally.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's boarderline unforgivable to have a game

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Speaker 2: plan where the Bears are on their fifth and sixth

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Speaker 2: linebacker right they are blitzing like maniacs because they aren't

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Speaker 2: get any pressure. They don't get any pressure when they blitz,

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Speaker 2: And to not have it built into your plan that

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Speaker 2: everything we do is built around putting those linebackers in conflict.

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Speaker 2: Those are not starting caliber NFL linebackers. We're gonna lead

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Speaker 2: into our old school rpo game. It's gonna be an

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Speaker 2: awful lot of Jalen Hurts designed run stuff, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna make it. Where is Saquon? Where isn't sake? Or

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Speaker 2: maybe we get Tank Bigsby in there for a bit

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Speaker 2: more juice. If one of those linebacker misses the pill,

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Speaker 2: it's an absolute home run shot. For that not to

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Speaker 2: be the plan, for tempo not to be the plan.

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Speaker 2: They only look competent when there's any degree of tempo.

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Speaker 2: You see it. The one time they get Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 2: in the quarterback run game, he rips off a twenty

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Speaker 2: two yard game on the ground. Then they immediately go tempoor.

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Speaker 2: They take the deep shot to aj Brown and it

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Speaker 2: feels like they're in the game. Why that isn't baked

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Speaker 2: into being automatically part of the offense, particularly against this defense,

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Speaker 2: This makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that sequence up, because at

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Speaker 1: that point in the game, the Bears are up ten

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Speaker 1: to three. We went over how dominant the numbers looked

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Speaker 1: at halftime, but they didn't fully take advantage. In the

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Speaker 1: first half of that game. There was a fourth and

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Speaker 1: one fail by Kyle Manungai, which was overturned upon review.

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Speaker 1: They get five plays ninety two yards. There's a penalty

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Speaker 2: Biggest play of the game.

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Speaker 3: The Bears score on the ensuing drive.

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Speaker 1: What did you see on that play that Nashan Wright

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Speaker 2: they twist it slightly with Dennis Allen, say, does go

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Speaker 2: going to hold it. Just go attack the football and

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Speaker 2: you get one of the biggest turnovers of the season

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Speaker 2: Dennis Allen took it, and that is just out there. Now.

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Speaker 2: I've used this spear motion that you can use defensively.

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Speaker 2: You can attack Jalen Hurts before the push comes along.

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting to hear Al Michaels and Kirk

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Speaker 1: whether it was by two points because of a field goal,

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Speaker 2: The wind and just the kicking conditions were not great.

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Speaker 1: Bears rip off a really outstanding drive where they basically

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Speaker 4: Two tight ends right side of the line, Manunguy, the

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Speaker 4: Had a sixteen nine fairs lead over the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love that, And that was a sweet drive.

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Speaker 1: It was a twelve play march ninety two yards and

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Speaker 1: they follow it up their next drive with a touchdown

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Speaker 1: illusion of complexity, and you pointed out, yeah, but in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love one of these coaches men when

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Speaker 2: Charlie Weiss went to note to Day and he was like,

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Speaker 2: we have a schematic advantage, then he like completely fell

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Speaker 2: of these guys come on and saying, no, we are actually

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Speaker 2: difficult it must be to play tight end in that system,

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Speaker 2: wrong game all the play action stuff, and on that

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Speaker 2: It's just classic Ben Johnson. You get some of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you do see some of the

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Speaker 1: He didn't hit everything, but he hits that touchdown. There

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Speaker 2: I genuinely believe running to the sideline, he's the quickest

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Speaker 2: That Loveland play is important though for the Eagles too.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to Detroit.

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Speaker 5: Love steps up, points across in the formation, it drops back.

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Speaker 2: Into the shine. Here's a snap and fourth down rushes

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Speaker 4: Have a thirty yard line number, first down, Green Bay.

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Speaker 2: A Turkey Day dagger right through the Lions. Great all there, Love,

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Speaker 1: I think that's John Coon in the background yelling yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: what a fitting end to that game because it was

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Speaker 2: billed as like this Kel's bomber. I think at times

436
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Speaker 2: when he is just so unbelievably precise. At all times,

437
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Speaker 2: he was throwing guys open all the time. The sidelines,

438
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Speaker 2: the Lions came in and said, we are not letting

439
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Speaker 2: Jordan Love rip us apart over the middle of the field.

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Speaker 2: That is our entire game. Let me make it muddy

441
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Speaker 2: and difficult in the middle of the field. Will dat

442
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Speaker 2: him to beat us to the permitter. And he said,

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Speaker 2: I'm good, boys, I'm good with that. I'll just rip

444
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Speaker 2: it all over the place. He bombs the ball down

445
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Speaker 2: the field when he needs to. He's ripping it outside

446
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Speaker 2: the numbers. It's Christian Watson over and over again. He

447
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Speaker 2: puts it off the sideline where only his guy can

448
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Speaker 2: get it with pressure in his face. That those are

449
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Speaker 2: top three, top four player in the league type throws

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Speaker 2: on big time, big time drives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the stats are really something. And we'll talk about

452
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Speaker 1: the defense in this game. When he is not pressured

453
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Speaker 1: he is the best quarterback in the league. The numbers

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Speaker 1: would would tell you and certainly the eyes would tell

455
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Speaker 1: you that on Thanksgiving. So you think about that throw,

456
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Speaker 1: big time play. You had the Dontavian Wicks touchdown. That

457
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Speaker 1: was a close call whether he got his feet in

458
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Speaker 1: or not. Ultimately, I think it was the right move.

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Speaker 1: You had the fourth and sixth call where he throws

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Speaker 1: the ball deep, and then you had the Christian Watson touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to one of Jordan Love's best throws of the.

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Speaker 5: Day under center is Love single back offense Jacobs fron

463
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Speaker 5: back on second and ten back to the Oh Love

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Speaker 5: best time.

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Speaker 2: Initially ring deep down on the right side.

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Speaker 4: And clean Bay Packers christ Jed Watson pluzz the top

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Speaker 4: off the Lions defense.

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Speaker 2: Be to me, Robertson fifty one yard touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Path that gave them a ten point lead early third quarter.

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Speaker 1: And to me, Alliot, it's the variety of the type

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Speaker 1: of throws. And when he gets criticized it's because sometimes

472
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Speaker 1: he does too much big game hunting, I guess, But

473
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Speaker 1: like big game hunting is why they won this game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean probably the only floor is when something

475
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Speaker 2: goes wrong. He wants to chase it back in one play,

476
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Speaker 2: and that's a real problem with kind of the offense

477
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Speaker 2: they have this year. But they have kind of reformatted

478
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Speaker 2: now and accepted took a graft, is not coming back.

479
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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to build this thing around Christian Watson.

480
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Speaker 2: We probably will have to be a let's hunt seven

481
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Speaker 2: explosive plays down the field. If we hit three of them,

482
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Speaker 2: we feel pretty good about our chances. And I thought

483
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Speaker 2: this was probably the best evidence of that this season.

484
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Speaker 2: I did think again the Lions planning, we could see

485
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Speaker 2: it on the touchdown for that, it's like everyone's congest

486
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. They're kind of allowing

487
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Speaker 2: him to take a deep shutside of the numbers. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure my plan woul be Let's allow Jordan to put

489
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Speaker 2: the game in his hands trying to deep shout to

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Speaker 2: Christian Waltson. It feels like Love would take that every time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I did think the pressure was maybe the

492
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Speaker 1: biggest difference between these two teams. So this is this

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Speaker 1: is the part where we talk a little Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 1: The Lions did not get a high pressure rate in

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Speaker 1: this game whatsoever. They tried to send pressure, they didn't

496
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Speaker 1: really get there. The Packers did not have to send

497
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Speaker 1: extra guys on the blitz nearly as often. And Michael

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Speaker 1: Parsons finishes with ten total pressures, five quick pressures. And

499
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Speaker 1: maybe it's unfair to just compare him to Aiden Hutchinson,

500
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Speaker 1: but compared to Aidan Hutchinson zero quick pressures, you know,

501
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Speaker 1: five pressures on the game, and ultimately they made life

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Speaker 1: tougher on Jared Goff, who I thought played a good game,

503
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Speaker 1: thought it was one of his better games of the

504
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Speaker 1: season overall. And it's not like Jordan Love is incredible.

505
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Speaker 1: When they did get on him, he was three for

506
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Speaker 1: twelve in this game against pressure. Most of his damage

507
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Speaker 1: was done when in the offensive line did his job.

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Speaker 1: What did you see out of Hafley's defense and how

509
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Speaker 1: they got after Jared Goff?

510
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Speaker 2: Yeah, mic it should be noted, was double team on

511
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Speaker 2: twenty three percent of his pass first steps, so he's

512
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Speaker 2: putting those kind of numbers up. Plus the three run

513
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Speaker 2: stuff still like all time run stuffs where it's like

514
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Speaker 2: helmet cup pop off type stuff, superstar type plays. Halfley.

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Speaker 2: I think what was really impressive was leveraging the threat

516
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Speaker 2: of Micah Parsons. I thought there was a degree of

517
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Speaker 2: can we call it arrogance in Dan Campbell's approach to

518
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Speaker 2: the game of there's an awful lot of leaving Mike

519
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Speaker 2: a single dub. But in fairness to Dan Campbell, early

520
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Speaker 2: in the game, Halfley was showing a lot like I

521
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Speaker 2: will drop Microw, We're gonna use micro really creative ways,

522
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Speaker 2: all these different creative pressures that Haflee is known for,

523
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Speaker 2: and so it starts putting doubts in the Lion's mind

524
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Speaker 2: of whether he's truly coming or not whether it's worth

525
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Speaker 2: investing a double team. And so you can see that

526
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Speaker 2: payoff over the course game when we get to the

527
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Speaker 2: kind of the drive for each just in the backfield

528
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Speaker 2: every play, then you get the kind of i'd say

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Speaker 2: shaky call to extend the drive for the Lions where

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Speaker 2: he just took over the game for three plays and

531
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Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna end on Thanksgiving. That was all

532
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Speaker 2: set up from the first two quotas where Halflee proved

533
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Speaker 2: that I will just leverage the threat of having the

534
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Speaker 2: best player on the field by dropping him out and

535
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Speaker 2: sending an ovolo pressure the other way, and you get

536
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Speaker 2: free run as a Jarred Goff all through the first

537
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Speaker 2: couple of quotes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the like the first drive of the game,

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Speaker 1: you know, like the first third down snap, Goff had

540
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Speaker 1: two defenders in his face in half a second.

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Speaker 2: There was nothing to be done there.

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Speaker 1: One of them was Isaiah McDuffie, who, by the way,

543
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Speaker 1: has played great the last two weeks. Like I don't

544
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Speaker 1: know if you have an Isaiah McDuffie take, but kway

545
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Speaker 1: Walker's been injured. I don't even know if we mentioned

546
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Speaker 1: that in this podcast, but McDuffie's kind of been awesome

547
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Speaker 1: these two weeks.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's the system, but he's been outstanding.

549
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Speaker 2: He's been good. A Hall of Fame high five player

550
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 2: arrives just in times to give everyone else a high five.

551
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Speaker 2: In the backfield, He's not quite athletic enough to be

552
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Speaker 2: like a serious difference makeup, but he's in the right

553
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Speaker 2: spot at the right time, and that's kind of the

554
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Speaker 2: best you can hope for.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I was, I wasn't thinking like he's

556
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Speaker 1: a crazy difference maker, but it does show. I think

557
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Speaker 1: how Micah is setting up everyone else, and you mentioned

558
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Speaker 1: how he helps to close the game down. This is

559
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Speaker 1: why you may the Michael Parsons trade. There's what like

560
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Speaker 1: a sack that he makes late in the game to

561
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Speaker 1: set up a third and fifteen essentially kills that drive

562
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Speaker 1: and then kills the next drive too, because for a while,

563
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Speaker 1: Goff is fighting back and making some highly difficult plays.

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Speaker 1: Despite the fact that they lost A'manra Saint Brown in

565
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Speaker 1: the first drive of the game.

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Speaker 3: He never returned. He has an ankle sprain.

567
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Speaker 1: Rap sheet says he will not be placed on IR

568
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Speaker 1: it's a quote unquote low ankle sprain.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But they're without Laporta there, without Amanra Saint Brown. We

571
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Speaker 1: got the news before the game that fired me up

572
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Speaker 1: that Frank ragnow is going to return at some point,

573
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Speaker 1: Like do you think long term because they are out

574
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Speaker 1: of the playoff picture right now that they have enough

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Speaker 1: let's say they don't have aman Ra for a few

576
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Speaker 1: games to get it done offensively without him.

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Speaker 2: I really don't. I mean, it was a shocking amount

578
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Speaker 2: of Tom Kennedy, who is being with the team since

579
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Speaker 2: like twenty nineteen, since he finished playing lacrosse. He's just

580
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: always on the practice squad. He gets on the active

581
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Speaker 2: rouss like well, twenty four hours before the game. Then

582
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Speaker 2: he's getting seven targets in a game against Micah Parson's

583
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Speaker 2: defense at home. It's that was pretty shocking the reg

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Speaker 2: Now news. I'm so fined up to have Frank RightNow back.

585
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Speaker 2: I would pull slight that it feels unfed by expectations

586
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Speaker 2: on him that he's gonna walk off the sofa like

587
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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco did a couple of years ago as a

588
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Speaker 2: center in the league. When we've seen how Lineman look

589
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Speaker 2: when they retired, they shed weight really quickly. To expect

590
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Speaker 2: to just walk back in as a Hall of Fame

591
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Speaker 2: caliber play who will kind of like erase and fix

592
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Speaker 2: all the problems, I think is a little unfair on

593
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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were without Graham Glasgow in this game,

595
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Speaker 1: who had been taking over at center, so you know

596
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Speaker 1: they've had issues and maybe that helps to explain the

597
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: drive at the end of the game. But it really

598
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Speaker 1: reminded me of the drive late against the Eagles where

599
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Speaker 1: the Lions took a while and it almost felt like

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Speaker 1: they waved the white flag in Philadelphia that night, just

601
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Speaker 1: making forever in a game that they were only down

602
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Speaker 1: by a touchdown, and the same thing kind of happened

603
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Speaker 1: in this game where they take a six minute drive

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Speaker 1: late and kind of just end the game on themselves

605
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Speaker 1: and ends in a field goal too, because Goff ends

606
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Speaker 1: up taking a sack. That's, you know, one of the

607
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Speaker 1: drives where Michael Parsons makes such an impact. It just

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Speaker 1: feels like, man, these are these are not the Lions

609
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Speaker 1: that I love. These are not the Lions that I

610
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Speaker 1: had in the Super Bowl. I'm not feeling great about

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Speaker 1: that right now.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: I think that's part of when you change the play

614
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Speaker 2: call a mid season, you know you might have some

615
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: operational issues during the Dann Kemmel's trying to manage the

616
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Speaker 2: entire game, then he's also calling the plays, and it

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Speaker 2: just feels like there's a bit of friction there. I

618
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Speaker 2: don't think he's done a great job. I think we

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Speaker 2: all just love Dan Kemberl and respect Dan Kempbell. That's

620
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Speaker 2: like you just assume he's going to be good at

621
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Speaker 2: this stuff. I think he's been pretty poor over this

622
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Speaker 2: month that he's been calling plays. I mean, they had

623
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Speaker 2: a twenty four percent success rate on twenty five early

624
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Speaker 2: down runs, and I understand the logic that we lose

625
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: them on raw. We've not got Lapolle that the line

626
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Speaker 2: is not playing very well, just get the ball in

627
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Speaker 2: the hands of Jamie Gibbs. But they're are more creative

628
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: ways to do it than just slam your head against

629
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Speaker 2: a brick wall over and over again. Where Evan Williams

630
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Speaker 2: is having the absolute game of his life, flying down

631
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Speaker 2: from safety to pin everything he can in sight, and

632
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Speaker 2: it just it just felt like an ideological game where

633
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Speaker 2: he's like, no, this is who we are. The fourth

634
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: down calls, the run game was like, no, this is

635
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: how we played Detroit Lions football. And it's like, you

636
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: are losing the game quite handily and your quot back

637
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: is playing absolutely lights out in a really tough situation

638
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: where his interior line is terrible. Rattlig is the only

639
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: one who's supposedly healthy and he's hurt and wincing throughout

640
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: the game. He's throwing to a lacrosse player. He's playing

641
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Speaker 2: absolute money, and you don't adjust the game plot at all.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's fair that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that seamball to Kennedy was a beautiful

644
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Speaker 1: throw and catch. I mean some of the passes to

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Speaker 1: Jamison Williams was like in just the smallest window and

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Speaker 1: catches him perfectly.

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Speaker 3: In stride.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Goff's game was perfect. And in fact,

649
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Speaker 1: the time on fourth down where the Packers did a

650
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Speaker 1: good job flushing GoF out and got him off his

651
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Speaker 1: spot and he throws on the run, but it's just

652
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Speaker 1: a little bit behind Williams. Williams could have made that catch,

653
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: but it maybe just showed the difference between Golf and

654
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: some of the more mobile quarterbacks in the league. Like, ultimately,

655
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: he did a good job. And yeah, Dan Campbll's not

656
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: going to change I think who he is. He talked

657
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: after the game about the fourth down decisions.

658
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 6: I didn't like one of those those fourth down calls.

659
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 6: You know, it felt like, you know, I don't know

660
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 6: how good of an opportunity we really gave our guys

661
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 6: on that first one, you know, but but you know,

662
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 6: we had an opportunity, and even at the end of

663
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 6: the day, we had an opportunity and we couldn't you know,

664
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 6: we just couldn't get it done there later in the game.

665
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 6: So I wouldn't say necessarily that that's going to have

666
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 6: an effect on me. You know, you always want to

667
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 6: convert them, and we've had a lot of conversions here.

668
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 6: It just didn't work out today.

669
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: Oh man, I read those codes. I hadn't seen it.

670
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: How is it? Dejected? Dan Campbell hitting you on this Friday.

671
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: Hits me in the goop, I will say, I don't

672
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: want to upset my friends in the data dorg community.

673
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: I am all full. Let's go for it. You know,

674
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: whatever the numbers say, I get it and with it.

675
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: There is a degree of understanding your own personnel, which

676
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: is why I like that he took some account was there.

677
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: Like the play he got them into based on what

678
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: he's dealing with at the moment, is probably not the

679
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: smartest play to be in. And just when you know

680
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: your interior is a disaster, your quarterback can't move off

681
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: his spot, you do have to change ever so slightly

682
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: on how you can actually get through and win these games.

683
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: And when you know you've gotten a run game, it's like,

684
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: maybe it's a time to go in and take some points. Yeah.

685
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: That Jamison Williams drop was the second fourth down that

686
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: they failed, and I believe the first one was a

687
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs run up the middle, which I wait switched.

688
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: To Yeah, yeah, Dank Gmble was giving his square, but

689
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: he bailed him out there because that was a full check,

690
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: and it asked for Tim Kennedy, again the five eight

691
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: lacrosse player, to move inside from a really wide position,

692
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: to come and try and pin like he's prime Cooper

693
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: Cup at backside safety. So that was just never ever

694
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: go into work. And I think that's Dank Campbell throwing

695
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: himself from the grenade for guff though.

696
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: I love that you shouted out Evan Williams in what

697
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: he did in the run defense in this game. Obviously

698
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Parsons had some great run stuffs. Your guy Edge Cooper

699
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: also showed up on a few big plays. They stuffed

700
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: the run ten times, so that's at or behind the

701
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage.

702
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: That's a huge number.

703
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised the Lion's success rate was as high

704
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: as it was with just thirty one percent, which is

705
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: still quite low, but they had so many negative runs.

706
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: What do you think about this defense and kind of

707
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: how they are rounding into form for the stretch run

708
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: and their toughness.

709
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: I still think that they are a bit loose on

710
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: the back end, I would say, and I do worry

711
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: about them. Against a really great quote about kho can

712
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: move slightly, obviously anyone will be concerned about that, but

713
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: I think you see, if it's not immediate pressure, they

714
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: can be a bit of a stif all that plays

715
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: play best top down. Evan Williams is a maniac attack

716
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: in the line of scrimmage, and I adole him for that.

717
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: If he's just playing on the hall field, haven't kind

718
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: of figured out what's going on. He gets lost all

719
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: the time. I mean he was lost like seven times

720
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: in this game. Twoffs at the seven unbelievable plays in

721
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: the rung game. It's just there's no time when that

722
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: pastor she is getting home. So if Parson's if the

723
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: other guys can rise to the level as they did in

724
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: Key Spots on Thursday, then obviously offsets everything Enigbari everyone

725
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: playing to a higher level. I think Louvin DeVante Wyatt

726
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: is a huge, huge loss to them. Inside they are

727
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: pretty falling down the peck and golda now of those

728
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: interior guys, they really need some kind of upfield rush.

729
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: When Parson is getting double teamed at this kind of

730
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: clip of whiles, it's our super Bowl chances are in

731
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: the hands of Enigbari, and I don't love those odds.

732
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, So after the game, DeVante. Whyitet who was carted off.

733
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: We didn't get a complete report from the insiders yet,

734
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: but Matt Lafleur said, quote, it doesn't look good in general.

735
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: When they say that it's it's usually some sort of break,

736
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: which would be really unfortunate for them one of their

737
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: most important players up. I want to leave on a

738
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: positive note though. I mean Christian Watson, his dad knew

739
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: his dad. People that don't know we're on Twitter, we're saying,

740
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: first of all, they're not using him right. He can

741
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: do more than what he's doing. He's a complete receiver.

742
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: He's a tougher guy. And then number two, he's going

743
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: to be back from this injury sooner than you think.

744
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: The rehab is going better than anyone who's ever torn

745
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: as ACL before, and he's going to be more explosive before,

746
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: and damned if he hasn't been. Right, Chris Watson looks

747
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: like like a centerpiece of a passing attack, which I

748
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: did not expect.

749
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: He really has changed this offense since he came back.

750
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so needed with Craft going out. I mean

751
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: to just have the gravitational pull of someone took a

752
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: graph with It's like a gravity player where everyone would

753
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: just kind of pinch around him and it would open

754
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: up the targets for everyone else. They needed someone who

755
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: was another three level threat, and Waltson developing is like

756
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: a middle of the field kind of sneaky demon. I

757
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 2: think is really transformed what they can be on offense. Yeah,

758
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: Matthew Golden was out for this game. I do think

759
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: if you telled me we're in the playoffs and suddenly

760
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: that's when Matthew Golden starts breaking out with like a

761
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: couple big time plays like that would not shock me.

762
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: I don't think he was lost earlier this year. Maybe

763
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: maybe you tell me differently, but like they still could

764
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 2: have another piece to play in this offense. It's exciting

765
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: for the people like you are holding the UH. I

766
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: have the Packers winning the Super Bowl ticket. I feel like,

767
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: even though the Bears won.

768
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: On Friday, you gotta feel better maybe than you have

769
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: all season long with the Packers at eight three and

770
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: one after this one.

771
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: I feel good seeing Jordan Love, who is the quote

772
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: back I enjoy watching the most round into this kind

773
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: of form at the stage of the season is very,

774
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: very exciting.

775
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: So I mentioned they have two games against the Bears

776
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: in a three week span. It's actually eighteen days because

777
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: the last of those games is on a Thursday night.

778
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: Just a banger of a game, But I hate that scheduling,

779
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: Like two games in eighteen days between these two teams

780
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: is is weird. And they both have some very challenging

781
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: games down the stretch, so there's a lot of.

782
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: Game to play.

783
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: And yet I feel like the Packers, if there was

784
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: any doubt, like eight three and one, there in outstanding

785
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: shape to not only possibly win the division, but certainly

786
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: get a wild card at the very least. And now

787
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: Chicago at nine to three, despite that tough schedule looking

788
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: very good. A couple of games up on the Detroit Lions.

789
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: All right, that's the NFC North. Let's take a break,

790
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: and you know it's been a good couple of days

791
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: when we save what might have been one of the

792
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: most fascinating games of the entire season. Four after the break, Yes,

793
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: Chiefs and Cowboys.

794
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 4: All right, here we go, preussnout looking that way. Now

795
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: he runs up out of the pocket, He sprints to

796
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 4: the right, He tucks the ball the womens, he steps

797
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 4: in from the n touchdown Cowboys, they drew it up

798
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: for the dirt.

799
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: They drew him up in the dirt. Prescott said I'm here,

800
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: I'm no here.

801
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: You here, you do something.

802
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 4: Williams did something.

803
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: That was brad Sham on k RLD and that was

804
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: the end of a beautiful drive by Dak Prescott to

805
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: take the lead, a lead they would not relinquish. Cowboys

806
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: win thirty one to twenty eight. And I wanted to

807
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: start there, Ali because I did feel like that drive,

808
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: that moment where they are trailing in the fourth quarter

809
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: was a fascinating moment in this game. And after that,

810
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: we get a whole lot of George Pickens, we get

811
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: a decent amount of CD LAMB, and we get Dak

812
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: Prescott doing the stuff before the snap, after the snap

813
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: and occasionally like that with his legs improvising. To me,

814
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: it was like the full Dak experience and it was beautiful.

815
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just rolling around the floor with Lead.

816
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: I said, Jentlemen is my favorite wode, but the watch

817
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: doc is like my daily beloved seeing him have that

818
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: kind of performance against Spags on what maybe the most

819
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: watch game in history when the numbers come in, very

820
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 2: very very thrilling.

821
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the closing of this game to me was so telling,

822
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: So Chiefs take the lead and we'll back it up.

823
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: Because Mahomes played very well in this game. There was

824
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: so much to go to in this game. This is

825
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a challenge for us. Frankly, Ali, you said,

826
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: how many.

827
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 3: Words did he write of notes this week?

828
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: Oh, three thousand, three thousand?

829
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: Okay?

830
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: And how many was on this game? Because I do

831
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: feel like I have just more on this game. There

832
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: was like a lot going on in this game, probably

833
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: two and a half thousand, right, So trying to boil

834
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: it down is tough. But I do think how they

835
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: closed the game offensively was was fascinating and telling. You

836
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: essentially have the George Pickens drive where you know he

837
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: has to play where he gets the big hurdle on

838
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: the third down, but he also draws pass interference. He

839
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: has a couple other catches and it ends. I believe

840
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: that's the drive. You also have an incredible two point

841
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: conversion play. Thought of going with that for the highlight

842
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: right after that where Dak puts it in a tiny

843
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: wind to Pickens following drive after they get the ball back,

844
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: that's where you hit the fifty one yarder to ceed lamb.

845
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: You know, Spagnolo sends pressure with McDuffie, and you get

846
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: a one on one Chamari Connor against Ceedee Lamb beauty

847
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: dime down the field. You get a field goal there

848
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: to go up two scores, and then you finish the

849
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: game by getting the ball back with three twenty two left.

850
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: And there were so many parts and I'm combining them

851
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: all together, just wanting to take the big picture here

852
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Ali where because the Chiefs took the lead and then

853
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: the Chiefs you know, got it to one score and

854
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: there's three twenty two left. There were so many points

855
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: where I thought, Okay, this is where the Chiefs do

856
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: get that stop, this is where the Chiefs get the

857
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: ball back and then win. But it just kept not happening.

858
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: And they closed it out by throwing the ball two

859
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: times in a row on second down, which I think

860
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: was so important. On one, they get a pass interference

861
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: that was to Pickens. On another they complete the ball

862
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: to Lamb. He goes out of bounds. But whatever, they

863
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: end up finishing out the game and just never give

864
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: the ball back. Kind of walk me through what you

865
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: think of just Brian Schottenheimer and how Dak approached this

866
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: fourth quarter and finishing out what was a great game plan.

867
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Schottenheimer is so dialed in. I think

868
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: that's probably just the best all around offense in the league,

869
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: just design wise. I think it's almost streaks ahead of

870
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: everyone else at the moment. And then where I feel

871
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: like Schottenheimer's just like taking himself to a whole different level.

872
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: We talked about some of like the organizational arrogance to

873
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell being able to step back and understand that

874
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: we need probably three first downs to win the games

875
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: and maybe end the chief season. It's players, not plays

876
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: in those moments, and we can find ways to get

877
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: Cede lamp in the slot one on one. That's just

878
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: what we want. Design is irrelevant. We're just gonna go

879
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: man to man get our best play of the ball.

880
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: We'll have the Pickings drive you mentioned. Let's just find

881
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: a way to get George Pickens isolated. We think he's

882
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: the best athlete on the field. He was playing like

883
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: the best athlete on the field. He's the smoothest athlete

884
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: maybe in the league right now, and so that's just

885
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: how we're going to go down swinging. We've done all

886
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: the fun stuff, all the creativity, all the game on

887
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: stuff and when we've got to have a drive, when

888
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: it's come from behind territory, what it's going to go

889
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: to our two best plays, That's how we're going to

890
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: go down.

891
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ceedey Lamb finishes with seven for one to twelve

892
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. Pickins has six catches on thirteen targets.

893
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: When when I looked at it in the end, I

894
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: was like, oh, McDuffie got his share of wins. It

895
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: was especially him in coverage, but ultimately there were a

896
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: ton of penalties. And when you really go through all

897
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: the numbers, and the Cowboys numbers are great. I mean

898
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: they finished with four hundred and fifty seven yards, they're

899
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: over fifty percent on third down, like their numbers are great.

900
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: But the Chiefs numbers are pretty great too. And the

901
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: biggest difference you can really see is that it's the

902
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: one hundred and and ten yards of penalties. That the

903
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: Chiefs have ten penalties for one hundred and nineteen yards.

904
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: And it did put them in difficult situations on offense,

905
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: and it did help sustain some of these Cowboy drives

906
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: or it was just a desperation ploy because their players

907
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: aren't as good as the Cowboys, And I know Chiefs

908
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: fans are mad at Andy Reid right now, that's there

909
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: could be some reason to be fair. But I also

910
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: watched this game just thinking like the Cowboys offense is

911
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: more talented than the Chiefs defense.

912
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they had speck Noelin in a blender at times,

913
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: I felt like where he just didn't know what to do,

914
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: where he's got no pass rush. And yeah, another primetime

915
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: game was George Kyle Lofts is just Mia every single

916
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: primetime game, every big game, every time you needed to

917
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: do something to help you season out, he had him

918
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: that ridiculous contract. He's but some donut every single time,

919
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: completely irrelevant in a big game. And to be fair

920
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: to the Chiefs, they kind of sold out to try

921
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: and force the Cowboys into third and medium, third and long,

922
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: and then Dak was just money on third and fourth downs.

923
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: They had a six two percent success rate on third

924
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: and fourth downs. That's just a ridiculous number to have

925
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: it the best of times. It's even crazy to have

926
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: when that is like the money spags down. That's when

927
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: he does all the cool spagsy stuff, and the Cowboys

928
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: just a step ahead the entire evening.

929
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: So I think the game.

930
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: We just talked about Packers Lions, and then this one

931
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: had some similarities that it meant to you know, mention

932
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: it with the Packers Lions is like the Lions blitz

933
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: rate was more than double the Packers, and the pressure

934
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: rate was around the same was actually better for the Packers.

935
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: It was kind of a similar dynamic here. It wasn't

936
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: quite as you know, severe, but ultimately the Chiefs blitzed

937
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: almost half the time, and yet they only had a

938
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: pressure rate of thirty percent, which was lower than the Cowboys.

939
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: That's an amazing stat because it's also a Cowboys pass

940
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: rush stat, which is awesome, Like they had a totally

941
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: respectable good pass rush overall without having a blitz like crazy.

942
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: But Spagnolo hits that blitz early in the game. It's

943
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: the first third down and they heat up Dak Prescott

944
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: and he throws an interception and you're thinking, oh man,

945
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: this might be a long day. And it was almost

946
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: like that success early got Spags to cocky or something,

947
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: because he just kept sending stuff the rest of the

948
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: game and after that, like Dak seemed to really have

949
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: an answer for what they were doing.

950
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. Specs has gone Dak Abun when they've

951
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: played in their career like he has had man he

952
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: really does come after him in a way that no

953
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: one ever goes after Dak Prescott that where he is

954
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: a blitz killer. He's so intelligent, so smart, he can

955
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: identify everything so quickly, and he's old school. Brady squ

956
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: replaced the blitz, quarts back wherever the blitz comes from.

957
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: You just throw the ball behind the guy's head. You

958
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: move on with the game. And so Specks tried to

959
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: get him with more zone pressure stuff what you call

960
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: a hot pressure, which is where the blitz guy goes from.

961
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: We dropped someone from the defensive line into where the

962
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: blitz guy came from. So if he replaces the blitzer,

963
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 2: Chris Jones or someone stood there. That's how they tried

964
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: to get him. With that first third down, they get

965
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: the free runner through Chris Jones drops into that spot.

966
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: Dak looks the other side of the field, thinks it's

967
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: a blitz when it's spags Usually to man blitz, it's

968
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: his zone blitz. Instead throws it into a cover two

969
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: hole and gets picked off. They start trying to toggle

970
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: back and forth between all that man pressure, which is

971
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: kind of vintage spags and more of these zone pressures,

972
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: And I gotta say to me, it's all credit to

973
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: the offensive line more than Dak. It's not a Dak

974
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: stat if you look at four of them, which are

975
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: really cool designs, fan spag and no difficult to pick

976
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 2: up stuff. Dak is not even looking at the side

977
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: feel where the pressure is coming from. And the Cowboys

978
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: guys just clean all that stuff up. How well they've

979
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 2: become tied together when they've got a new left tackle.

980
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: Booker is playing completely out of his mind the last

981
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: few weeks as a rookie. It was a really really

982
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: impressive Cowboys oh line performance when Specks tried to get

983
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: really creative.

984
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm glad he pointed that out because that was something

985
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: we talked about throughout the offseason. This young offensive line,

986
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: how do they come together for the Cowboys because there

987
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: was a ceiling there, a lot of high draft picks

988
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: and I know Tyler got in. Their left tackle is

989
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: out right now. Nate Thomas filled in for him, and

990
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: he did give up the most pressure of anyone on

991
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but it still was under control. Like

992
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: he did not stand out the rest of the group.

993
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: Booker Terrence Steele on the right side, and then you

994
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: have Cooper Beebe and Tyler Smith like they've played a

995
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: lot of games together in a row and they're playing well.

996
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: And to your carlaftis vicious takedown earlier thirty one pass

997
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: rushes in this game won pressure and it wasn't quick,

998
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: so fair, it's fair. I was worried because you put

999
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, you put NFL Daily Ali in your profile

1000
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: now on on social media, which I love seeing.

1001
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: Feel feel proud, But I was worried.

1002
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: You know now that that's there are we're gonna get

1003
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: like a softer version of Ali, and George Coloftus knows that.

1004
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: Uh, let's listen to CD LAMB after the game.

1005
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: I loved just hearing the cowboys and seeing the cowboys

1006
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: loving this moment.

1007
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 5: Message to the whole leading as boys, you're a national

1008
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 5: masspect and that you can actually do this.

1009
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: Keep talking. I see that's my message. I see it.

1010
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: I just love like the cockiness too, and how they were.

1011
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: You know, they get the turkey leg afterwards and they're

1012
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: sharing the turkey leg like two guys biting the same one,

1013
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: which was a little.

1014
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: It's good fateen chemistry. I don't think the Jaellen Hoods

1015
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: and A J. Brown are sharing turkey legs. Yeah, not great.

1016
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's talk a little bit about the Chiefs

1017
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: offense because it was a great My Homes game.

1018
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: Would you w you go that far and say great?

1019
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe like a very good Patrick Mahomes game, like

1020
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: Jared goff in the losing effort.

1021
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: I do think he was very much up for the challenge.

1022
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: And we don't have to do the QB wins last thing,

1023
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: because I can think of four or five outstanding plays

1024
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: by Mahomes and maybe he didn't hit every improv play,

1025
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: but he hit a lot of.

1026
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 3: Them, and I think did enough to win this game.

1027
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's doing it with all those miscues you

1028
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: mentioned on offense too, all the penalties backing them up

1029
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: there down three linemen right midway through the game, this note.

1030
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: Smith Simmons goes out with an injury. Looks like that's

1031
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: gonna send him to Aya the right tackle. Juon Taylor

1032
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: goes out too, so doing it under a ton of fire.

1033
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: I gotta say, I'm worried about Andy Reid, and I

1034
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: don't want a blaspheme against the football gouts, but it

1035
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: is just so strange to watching Andy Reid team become

1036
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: one of the most predictable offenses in the NFL have

1037
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: some of the most almost laughable tendencies at this point

1038
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: where the good coaches just know everything they're trying to

1039
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: do and so much to the game. Every week just

1040
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: feels like Mahome is running for his life and if

1041
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: it's not magic, nothing is gonna happen. We get the

1042
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: play where he almost falls over twice and he throws

1043
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: back down the field and that just feels like a

1044
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: micro cousin for the season where it's just feels such

1045
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: hard whoop for them all the time.

1046
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about how this game could have been a

1047
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: blowout the other way. Not a blowout, but a comfortable

1048
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: win for the Cowboys. They hit the fourth down to

1049
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: take the lead to Rashi Rice, which is a miracle

1050
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: play by Mahomes and a great catch by Rashi Rice,

1051
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: who did have a pretty big drop on third down

1052
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: at another point in the game that killed the drive,

1053
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: but for the most part has come to play the

1054
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: last couple weeks and made big plays. You hit the

1055
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: first touchdown on a fourth down to Travis Kelcey. That

1056
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: was not an easy play at all. That's fourteen points

1057
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: right there. You mentioned the play where he is absolutely

1058
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: stumbling before hitting Xavier Worthy, or they're facing a fourth

1059
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: and long and the game is essentially over and the

1060
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: touchdown to Marquise Brown. I mean, that's just like a

1061
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: talented play. Patrick Mahomes is awesome, but these were not

1062
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: easy plays by Mahomes, and it is striking that there's

1063
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: like hasn't been a lot of easy buttons. There is

1064
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: something to me that I don't know if this team

1065
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: is tired or Andy Reid's tired. I mean, the man

1066
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: is sixty seven years old, They've played a lot of

1067
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: football games, and the weight of being the Kansas City Chiefs,

1068
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: It's not like it went away from losing that Super Bowl.

1069
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: I think it's still there and there does seem to

1070
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: be some sort of fatigue factor, maybe mentally as well

1071
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: as physically with this team.

1072
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: There's certainly a lack of ideas. There is still a

1073
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: stunning amount of Kareem Hunt. So much is still built

1074
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: around Travis Kelsey, who I think is moving way better

1075
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: than he did do last year. But I just don't

1076
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: know if that's what you want to send to the

1077
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: offense around at this point, I just go back to

1078
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago they played Denver. There's two

1079
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: plays where they motion and Vince Joseph is basically running

1080
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: onto the field to point out to his corner a

1081
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: corner out is coming. It comes twice when he runs

1082
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: out on the field to do that. They face the

1083
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: Cults when they get into a certain formation with the

1084
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: certain emotion. It's the exact same target point of the

1085
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: rung game, the same side reaction six for six times

1086
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: in that game. They get to the same look against

1087
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: the Cowboys on their third drive. They have the two

1088
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: really good drives and they have nothing for success drives.

1089
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: And the Cowboys linebackers, hardly you know, a Hall of

1090
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: Fame group, are almost laughing, getting to the line of screams,

1091
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Are they going to do this again?

1092
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: And there's no payoff play building with these actions. Are

1093
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: going to run the ball with the same action at

1094
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 2: the same point over and over again and nothing pays off.

1095
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: That's just not Andy Reid. He's usually falling over with

1096
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 2: all these different ideas. He used to have Mike Kafker

1097
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: on steph digging through like Chinese and Japanese and Lithuanian

1098
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: film to go and find cool plays that they would

1099
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: hit over the head of the Las Vegas Raiders and

1100
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: now it just feels so fatigued.

1101
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the Josh Simmons injury. It's a dislocated risk.

1102
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: We don't know when he'll be back, but he's going

1103
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: to be out indefinitely and that's a huge loss for them.

1104
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: I mean, they do have a well paid, a good

1105
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: backup in left tackle, Jalen Moore, but that that's a

1106
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: big loss for them. And yeah, you mentioned the four

1107
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: successive punts that they had. Three of those ended in

1108
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: Dallas territories. So in one hand, like the the Chiefs

1109
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: were in this game because they kept hitting fourth downs.

1110
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: On the other hand, they punted from plus territory from

1111
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: like a fourth and four I believe it was, and

1112
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: that ended up setting up that George Pickens drive. It's

1113
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: like there is still a level of conservatism from Andy

1114
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: Reid that that I find frustrating.

1115
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: I believe the surrender index, but that in the ninety eight,

1116
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: ninety eighth percentile of cowardness from Andy Reid and the

1117
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: Cowboys got the ottage back in full place. So it

1118
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: was very well and Patrick Mahomes, did you quote the back,

1119
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: you would feel if ever there was a time to

1120
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: be ultrogressives. Though when now stacking up that they have

1121
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: two of that key offensive pieces old then the more

1122
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: predictable nave of a been and then he's being more

1123
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: concerned if then he has before. So I think that

1124
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: and around all that they play really well offensively. All

1125
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: the advanced stats still love them that better this season

1126
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: than they will less season, but the margin for error

1127
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: is so thin because of injuries, because the defenses really

1128
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: regress them. Being league average is a testament to spags.

1129
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: Given what's happening on the back end and lack of

1130
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: a true pass rush, the only way to impact the

1131
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: quotback is pray and hope that a five man zone

1132
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: pressure forces a turnover. It's not even gonna get home.

1133
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: It's just well the quarts back panic with a flash

1134
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 2: of kula and throw the bolt. Was all Chris Jones

1135
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: goes ham for full snaps a game.

1136
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you want to go down to just

1137
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: the basic stats, but I do think they're telling sometimes

1138
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: nine quarterback hits for the Cowboys, three sacks, a couple

1139
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: of them just when Mahomes is just holding it, holding it,

1140
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: trying to make a play. And then on the other side,

1141
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: the Chiefs do not sack Dak Prescott. They do get

1142
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: six quarterback hits in the game, but couldn't get him down.

1143
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Patrick Mahomes after the game. Now, six

1144
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: and sex just.

1145
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: Just missed opportunities. I mean, just like all the losses

1146
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: we've had this year.

1147
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 4: We can beat anybody, but I mean we're showing that

1148
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 4: we can lose to anybody, and so we got to

1149
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 4: be more consistent.

1150
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1151
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: He was kind of like dejected. I would say, like

1152
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: again when they played the Broncos and lost that game,

1153
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: like that was a humbling game. This one when I

1154
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: when I watched them, I'm not saying it was like acceptance,

1155
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: but it was just like, yeah, this is where we are.

1156
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 3: Like we're six and six. I don't think their season

1157
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 3: is over.

1158
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: Certainly, if any team could run the table, it could

1159
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: be them and they could even maybe afford a seventh loss.

1160
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: But we have reached that point now with these teams

1161
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: that were Super Bowl favorites coming in like the Lions,

1162
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs, where it's it's legit they might not

1163
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: make the.

1164
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 2: Playoffs, yes, it's wild we credit the Mahomes that answer,

1165
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: I guess, but he was majorly responsible for losing the

1166
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: Broncos game, so he played really well in this game.

1167
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: But it's kind of like he gives one back to

1168
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 2: the defense, having I think cost them the Broncos game.

1169
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 2: It just makes it now a Texans and charges double

1170
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 2: head to which is certainly winnable but becomes must win,

1171
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: and with the injuries on the offensive line going against

1172
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: the most ferocious passers in the NFL, it becomes once

1173
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 2: again Patrick put the cape on. We're out of ideas.

1174
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 2: You got to go figure this out on your own.

1175
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, Chiefs fans have had a lot

1176
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: of fun over the years. I do like how it

1177
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: sets up this stretch run between these two teams. So yes,

1178
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: now the Cowboys are only a game and a half

1179
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: back of the Eagles. There's a path certainly for the

1180
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys to make it as a wildcard. They if they

1181
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: only lost one more game and they have the Lions

1182
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: next Thursday night. Finally, Shookie and I get like a

1183
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: real banger of a Thursday night game, such a big

1184
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: game for both teams, even if they lost that Lions game.

1185
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: If you look at their last four, they're probably favored

1186
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: in all of them. They could possibly even lose the

1187
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: Lions game, win out get a wildcard, but one and

1188
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: a half back of the Eagles, they have a chance

1189
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: to maybe win the division. The Eagles, though, do have

1190
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: the command twice and the Raiders in there, and so

1191
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: the margin is it's gonna be tough to try to

1192
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: pass the Eagles. On the other hand, the Chiefs like

1193
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: they're rooting for everyone in the AFC to keep losing,

1194
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: which is why when they were watching Baltimore and Cincinnati,

1195
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: if they were watching or checking their phones later that night,

1196
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: they were loving the result.

1197
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 3: Let's go to Cincinnati throwing.

1198
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 4: The shotgun p Ryan two is right shotgun staff Joe

1199
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 4: under pressure, clings it down the middle of the phone

1200
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 4: Yo C bosh leave shit the three. He takes it

1201
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 4: into the end zone a twenty eight yard touchdown to

1202
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 4: and Gray Yo si Bosh, and the Bengals lead is

1203
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 4: back to eleven with a pat coming up.

1204
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 6: Ah.

1205
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: I love that throw, and I love the satisfaction that

1206
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow had after the game talking about that throw,

1207
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: like everything that he had done to get back was

1208
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: to be in position to set up his guy Yoshi.

1209
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: The Bengals upset the Ravens thirty two to fourteen. That

1210
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: was Dan Horde and Dave Lapham on wc K why

1211
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: it felt like Burrow needed the first half just to

1212
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: warm up a little. I mean, he still was good,

1213
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: but he missed a few throws. They settled for a

1214
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: lot of field goals, and they had a lead at halftime.

1215
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: But in terms of ball location and decision making, the

1216
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: second half of that game, to me, Ali was like

1217
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow had never left.

1218
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I mean that throw is

1219
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: so sad, and I feel for Roquan Smith. You can

1220
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: see in his eyes that that is an incredible play

1221
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: for Roquan Smith. He goes from a mugged up spot

1222
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: to kind of matching the route vitually all the way

1223
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: down the field and he looks over like, are you

1224
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: kidding me? That Joe Burrows returned only like fall guys

1225
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: could make that throw on time absurd pay I I

1226
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 2: thought he took some time to get warmed up, and

1227
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: they just tried defeat to Jama Chase going into the

1228
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: second half, and obviously that's where the wing wing connection

1229
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: between those guys come in and you can get more

1230
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: explosive down the field. I mean, this was a game

1231
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 2: going to the third quote to given how many tonovers

1232
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: the Ravens had in their row and half the Bengals

1233
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 2: really struggled to convert in the red zone. I thought

1234
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: that was where you really saw kind of like a

1235
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 2: Christmas and Fluidity show for Burrow, where it's like has

1236
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: to be done instantaneously at the snap and you're going

1237
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 2: from practice speed to game speed. And then he'd really

1238
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 2: sped things up in the second half.

1239
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, their running game has been better lately.

1240
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: I thought their offensive line had a good game, maybe

1241
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: pointed out the Ravens lack of a pass rush. And

1242
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: then there were a number of throws to Chase that

1243
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: were just huge. A third and seven helped set up

1244
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: a touchdown, just one of those outs, perfect timing that

1245
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 1: just Joe Burrow makes look easy. He had a bomb

1246
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: to Chase in this game that he put everything into

1247
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: and it worked out, and that set up points. I

1248
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: believe that was a field goal drive. And it's kind

1249
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: of like you're getting all the good stuff from Joe

1250
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: Flacco but without like the crippling interceptions.

1251
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 2: So that's a big upgrade.

1252
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: But I guess the biggest difference is the Cincinnati Bengals

1253
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: are forcing five turnovers against the Ravens, Like, how much

1254
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: of it do you think is the Bengals defense and

1255
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: how much much of it was Lamar Jackson and this

1256
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: Ravens offense just having a brutal performance.

1257
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: I thought a mix of both, which I know is

1258
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: a cop out. But then the Bengals pass first looked

1259
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: significantly improved, I think in barb because we're just underrating

1260
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: how poor the Ravens offensive line is. Lamar I just thought,

1261
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what was happening during that game. Maybe

1262
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: he had two big Thanksgiving dinner or something. It was

1263
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: just not feeling it. I mean, the fumbles where the

1264
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: balls was coming out. Every single fumble was avoidable, not

1265
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: only from the fact the ball slips out of his

1266
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: hands or he makes a poor decision, but there were

1267
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: wide open throws all over the field that he just

1268
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: turned down, which then meant the play was extended, which

1269
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: then caused the fumbles. He was just so out of rhythm,

1270
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: and throughout this run where they've been winning the games,

1271
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: their office just looked so disjointed and disheveled. I felt

1272
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: throughout the run there's just no rhythm and they've kind

1273
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: of got away with it through turnover. Look that they

1274
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: have not turned the ball over during that run. They

1275
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: turned the ball over on Thursday, more than they have

1276
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: done at any point during the winning streak.

1277
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was both a cursed game and like a

1278
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: terrible game. You had the Za Flowers offensive pass interference,

1279
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: kind of a shaky call that would have been seven

1280
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: points just taken off the board. You had Isaiah Likely

1281
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: on a catch and run going in for a long

1282
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: score and DJ Turner knocks it out right at the

1283
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: goal line and the Bengals get the ball back on

1284
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: a touchdown. That's fourteen points. Then again, it's also three

1285
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: points with Lamar just dropping the ball for Cincinnati to

1286
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: kick a field goal before the end of the first half.

1287
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: And maybe the biggest play, or certainly one of the

1288
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: biggest plays the entire game to me because it set

1289
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: the tone, was him fumbling the ball kind of running

1290
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: into pressure early in the first quarter on his own

1291
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: goal line and setting up the Bengals. It only ends

1292
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: up being three points, but there was just something about

1293
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: it that it set a spooky mood that they never

1294
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: really got.

1295
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: Out of I mean that crowd was dead.

1296
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: Ali.

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Speaker 1: They not only did they leave with seven minutes to go,

1298
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: they were silent the whole game. I think they think

1299
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: this Ravens team doesn't have it, and based on the

1300
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: eye test, like I think they're right now.

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01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: The home crowd always knows, and everyone's talking about putting

1302
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: this run together, and it's really just a knock on

1303
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: the Steelers kind of stinking, and that's not accepting that

1304
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: the Steelers kind of sting. They know they've not got

1305
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: the juice. You know, this was just to me the

1306
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: most bizarre Lamar game because he looked healthy finally, despite

1307
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: being on the injury report constantly. He was moving pretty

1308
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: well when he had to take off of his legs.

1309
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 2: He looked more spry than he has done throughout the

1310
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: wind streak. But just from the pocket, some of the

1311
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: decisions were pretty poor. Yeah, no touch or actually down

1312
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 2: the field, miss some wide open throws, a bunch of

1313
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 2: turndowns against the flakiest defense you could hope to find

1314
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: that isn't in Vegas, and just choosing not to let

1315
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: the ball go was really quite a bizarre performance. And

1316
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: the weird thing is he had a number of great throws.

1317
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: So I know the weather was not good, but I

1318
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: don't think it was like a crazy windy night. But

1319
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: it was cold there didn't seem to hurt Burrow too much.

1320
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: And Lamar also had like a number of good throws.

1321
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: If you just isolated the good throws, yea, you were like, Okay,

1322
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: he's fine.

1323
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: The throw to likely you mentioned where he gets Jordan

1324
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 2: Battel punches the ball out on the goal line as

1325
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: an unbelievble three, he has another one to likely move

1326
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: into his leg. He somehow has does that with Lamar

1327
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: things where he just goes into slow motion. Everyone else

1328
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: is moving a double speed and he's able to throw

1329
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: the ball back for a diamond to the middle of

1330
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 2: the field. So it was just a real rollercoaster ride

1331
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: with him. And it's being like that for the offense

1332
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: as a whole, but a lot of it I think

1333
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: is being at tribute to He's just not moved that

1334
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: well even within the pocket. He just seems really sludgy,

1335
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: and yet it looked like he had the legs all

1336
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: the way back last night, but them was like kind

1337
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: of the explosive twitch movements within the pocket. Then being

1338
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: able to break out and then the actually just vanished

1339
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: on him.

1340
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had to pick up a few first downs

1341
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: with his legs, but yeah, there were just throws he

1342
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: had that he missed. There was a play action shot

1343
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: that Andrews was open, just missed it. He had a

1344
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: third and nine, I believe to Zay Flowers killed the drive.

1345
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: Just missed it like a Rashad Bateman seam ball, which

1346
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: was a tough throw to make, but he missed it

1347
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: by Tonny like one hop. Keaton Mitchell at one point,

1348
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: and he just hasn't been on the same page and

1349
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: sometimes he needs, you know, Dantes Walker to make a

1350
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: play for him the last couple of weeks, and tedes

1351
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: Walker just refuses to make that play. Let's actually listen

1352
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: to the interception that Lamar Jackson threw late in the game,

1353
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: because for all of these turnovers, the Bengals were kicking

1354
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: field goals early and even though they played better late,

1355
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: the Ravens were still in this game, and they did

1356
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,479
Speaker 1: put together a couple of touchdown drives, including some big

1357
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry plays. Keaton Mitchell also had a touchdown to

1358
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: close the gap in the third quarter, so it wasn't

1359
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: really over until this Lamar interception.

1360
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 4: Huge play here, third and nine at the Cincinnati fifteen,

1361
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 4: the Bengals showing pressure, They've got seven guys up on

1362
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 4: the line. Lamar drops back. Lamar throws downfield into the

1363
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 4: end zone. Pip fan intercepted Atrius Night running it back.

1364
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 4: He's at the thirty thirty five forty spin move there

1365
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 4: and tackled around the forty five yard line. A tip

1366
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 4: of the line results in a pick for de Matrious

1367
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: Night and the Bengals get their fourth taken.

1368
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, that was more of bad luck for Lamar,

1369
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: maybe not being as aware or moving in the pockets

1370
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: as you would like. But it was a night where

1371
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: Joseph Asai and Miles Murphy were making some plays in

1372
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: the backfield. That's It's all Bengals fans have wanted. It's

1373
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,959
Speaker 1: just some signs of life out of their pass rush.

1374
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: And Osai had a at a monster game, two sacks,

1375
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: t quarterback hits for hurries. And I thought Murphy was

1376
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: back there too. It didn't quite show up on the

1377
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: stat sheep. I just thought he was active giving them

1378
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: something where I don't know this This division's pretty rough, Ali, Like,

1379
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: do you have any faith maybe that that this defense

1380
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: could turn turn around a little bit.

1381
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: No, I think they uh just disaster spots everywhere. That's

1382
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: so funny because it's a disaster zone in every single position.

1383
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: Then dj Ton is just an all pro play. It's

1384
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: just DJ does his own thing. Everyone else is a

1385
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: complete mess. Aside, did play well. I thought Murphy was

1386
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: really active. I'm surprised he didn't show more in the

1387
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: statue he felt hurries. But yeah, and I think it

1388
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 2: was some run stuffs and everything. But like, I was

1389
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: surprised he didn't hit Labar. But you're right, it did

1390
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 2: show up a little bit too. And grading on that

1391
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: typical curve, I guess that would be a plus plus UPO. Yeah.

1392
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: Okay, we've gone a long as we'll often do. Let's

1393
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: actually wrap up the show, take one last break on

1394
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: the other side. I don't want to just move past

1395
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: the burrow stuff, because late in this game it did

1396
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: make me think. And I know they're four and eight,

1397
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: and I listened to Paul Dayaner's podcast it's called The Growler.

1398
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: He has one of the best postgame podcasts. It's tight,

1399
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: which maybe I could we should learn from Molly. I

1400
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: don't know one of the reasons. I like, it's like

1401
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: always just it's just thirty minutes. It gives me that

1402
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: Bengals postgame heat, and he always says great perspective. And

1403
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: after last week they were just talking, Okay, the season's over,

1404
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: the scene's over. And then after this one it's like,

1405
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, the Ravens are pretty bad.

1406
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 3: They get to play them again in a couple of weeks.

1407
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't trust the Bengals to rip off a ton

1408
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: of wins, including playing in Buffalo next week.

1409
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: That's that's the problem.

1410
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: But you could see a scenario where the Steelers and

1411
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: the Ravens lose enough that couldn't eight wins be enough

1412
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs in this division? Could nine wins

1413
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: be enough? If Joe Burrow keeps playing like this, he's

1414
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: got a chance. Let's actually listen to his first touchdown

1415
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: back from injury.

1416
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 4: Now, p Ryan moves back a few steps and lines

1417
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 4: up to Burrow's left. Joe is ready, catches the shotgun,

1418
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 4: snap begins scrambling right, Burrow throwing downfield for Hudson.

1419
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 2: Oh he's got it.

1420
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 4: Wow, touchdown, Bengals. What an adjustment to the ball by

1421
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 4: Hudson and the not so ober the back right pylon

1422
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 4: for a fourteen yard touchdown Joe Burrows first since returning

1423
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 4: from the Joe.

1424
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: You can pick on the Tanner Hudson versus Kyle Hamilton

1425
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: in great coverage matchup and actually get a completion like

1426
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: you're cooking with gas.

1427
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 2: That was an incredible play, unbelievable play. I want to

1428
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 2: say too, I think that their offensive line, who takes

1429
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: a ton of flat understandably, has actually been pretty good

1430
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: now for a couple of months. Again, grading on the

1431
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: Bengals curve with trying to figure out how could they

1432
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: put some kind of run together. I think it's gonna

1433
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: go through how the offensive line can hold them. I

1434
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: thought they really handled all the different looks and pressures

1435
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: and fake outs the Bengals tried to send their way.

1436
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: And if you just give Borrow even a split second

1437
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: of extra timey he's used to having, that's when you

1438
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 2: can do stuff like dice people ball move slightly and

1439
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 2: be able to have enough time to get the throw

1440
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 2: and they'd be mashing people with the run. I mean

1441
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: that third and success right since week six, and so

1442
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: you go into the Bills game next week, that is

1443
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 2: a perfect profile to have like a fifty burger fifty

1444
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: burger off between these two teams.

1445
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: Man, I hate to give you know, Zach Taylor too

1446
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: much credit. First of all, this is setting up, not

1447
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: that I thought Zach Taylor or there was gonna be

1448
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: some regime change necessarily anyways, but this is absolutely setting

1449
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: up for them to play well down the stretch and

1450
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: Mike Brown just to run everything back.

1451
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 2: That's a big picture look. But together, I don't know.

1452
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 2: And that I think that the Bird he's a tweet

1453
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: in that Joe Brady and Joe Burrow I have a

1454
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: little rendezvous back in Cincinnati. I think that's very much

1455
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: still on the table. The thing with Tailor that's funny

1456
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 2: is everyone always says, what does he do? And that's

1457
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: a totally fair question. I got no idea what this

1458
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 2: guy does monate the Friday. What he does do every

1459
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: time Burrow goes down is completely over all the offense,

1460
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: but it's delayed by like three weeks. He like runs

1461
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: on a leg. He can't accept that. He just mourns

1462
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: that the Burrow is out, even though he's used to

1463
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: it at this point. So they over all it. That

1464
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 2: stuff usually works pretty well. Then Joe comes back, and

1465
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: Joe's like runs it for a half and is like,

1466
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm good with all that crap. Let's get to throw

1467
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: all that stuff out. Let's go back to the Joe

1468
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: Burrow offense. I would like them to keep as much

1469
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: of the rung game elements that have really been singing

1470
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: over the past month, keeping in there with Burrow, although

1471
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: I think the tail is a bit of a pushover

1472
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 2: and Borrow will get to do his thing.

1473
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing.

1474
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Burrow just feels like he's running this organization, and

1475
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: you know why not. I trust him over probably anyone

1476
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: else in the building. I guess that's talk about singing.

1477
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: I like those Ali birds singing. And I was gonna

1478
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 1: I was gonna give Taylor credit because I almost feel

1479
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: like with these tight ends, it's Drew Sample, it's Noah Fant,

1480
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: it's Tanner Hudson, who, by the way, the very play before,

1481
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: made an incredible play as a cornerback to I think

1482
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: get the ball away. It was the same matchup from

1483
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton on what could have been an interception. So

1484
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: shout out to Tanner, Hudson and GASICKI like they're almost

1485
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: rams light a little bit with these like four tight

1486
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: ends that it's like not huge production, but they just

1487
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: seem like they're effective in adding layers to the offense.

1488
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: And the offense has been pretty good, more than pretty good.

1489
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: And Burrow will cast them aside within two minutes when

1490
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 2: he gets back to playing how he wants to play.

1491
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 3: It's fair.

1492
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: Okay, we've done it. I don't know if we got

1493
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: through all of your notes.

1494
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 2: We have to give this one last note. The best

1495
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: announcer of a two beautiful, glorious football days was Jason Garrett.

1496
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 2: To come out to Jason Garrett, what a come out.

1497
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 2: And I know people thinking, wait, I heard him on

1498
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 2: note today at NBC where it sounded like he was

1499
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 2: throwing up on himself. Was panic the entire time. Last

1500
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 2: yet pretty good on Thanksgiving this year. Absolutely elite. Now

1501
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: this is coming from a guy who loves Treyigman. I

1502
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 2: know Treigman is device, so I think Aikman is by

1503
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 2: far the best in the business. I thought Garrett was

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01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: exceptional in having the innate ability to understand every single

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01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: thing that happened on the play in real time. It

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01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 2: is so impossibly tough to do that. We've been at

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01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 2: games and cold games. It is so odd to be

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01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 2: able to see both the coverage and the rush and

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01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,520
Speaker 2: the protection and the route concept. Somehow he can internalize

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01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 2: it instantly and points to fout that is proven when

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01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 2: they go back to replay. Oh, he's exactly right on

1512
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 2: how the play unfolded. I mean to defend us on talkSPORT.

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Speaker 1: You know they got the like replay monitors right away,

1514
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: they got the spotters and everything, so you know, step up, well, Gavin,

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: let's let's up the budget here and we could be

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01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: giving you that level analysis.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll go back to check that out.

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01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: The Ravens Bengals game was the one I did not

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01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: watch live until the fourth quarter, and even then my family,

1521
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, we had them all over last night. We

1522
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: sat down for dinner right about as that game started,

1523
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: and so I watched that back this morning.

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Speaker 3: But that's great to hear. I did think he was good.

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01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: Some guys are better doing the game by far, even

1526
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: though it's a harder job on some level than the studio,

1527
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: which I get the studio is sterile and the job

1528
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: kind of sucks. You're just saying fifteen seconds, like, if

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01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: you're good in studio, it's like, a it's hard to

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: do that. And Jason Garrett, you're right, like he never

1531
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: says anything in the studio. But I know for a

1532
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: fact some hires up at NBC listen to this show.

1533
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 2: So maybe, oh, that's that's good. Yeah, take the Chruis

1534
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 2: Millis men out of that. You read it, that asks

1535
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 2: him to have charisma and let the bull coach Cold

1536
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 2: Bowl place in real time. That seems pretty sensible to me.

1537
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Speaker 3: I do think that makes sense.

1538
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: Although Chris Collins, where I do think, is great at

1539
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: seeing the whole picture in the moment.

1540
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 2: Aikman is so streaks ahead of everyone else.

1541
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: It's no he's a quarterback, unfair advantage. Okay, I don't

1542
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: know if we got to all four thousand pages of

1543
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: your notes andired up, I'm gonna listen to one last

1544
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: thing about Joe Burrow. By the way, I wanted to

1545
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: hear him post scheme. Uh, he was about as close

1546
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: to emotional as I would say.

1547
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow.

1548
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Speaker 5: Ever, again, certainly hasn't been easy on me through through

1549
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 5: six years from a lot of different angles. But you know,

1550
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 5: I've worked really hard to put myself in position to

1551
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 5: be back out there and a lot of people around

1552
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 5: me have done the same. There's there's no there's no

1553
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 5: better feeling than that, you know, putting in, putting in

1554
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,759
Speaker 5: work for for a long time and going out and

1555
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 5: in it paying off. It's uh, there's just just there's

1556
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 5: just no feeling like going out in front of the

1557
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 5: world with a group of guys that work really hard

1558
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 5: to go try to win games, and and going out

1559
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 5: and putting on a good performance and winning that game.

1560
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: It was reflective and like it was, it was a

1561
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 1: lot he's he mentioned the last six years have been

1562
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: tough with the for a competitor like that to have

1563
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 1: to miss so many times, so much time, like this

1564
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: season has not been the same without him for all

1565
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 1: of us, but I'm sure has been absolutely brutal for him.

1566
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Speaker 3: So it was a it was a cool moment.

1567
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can't love a guy with

1568
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: that flow and that coat. Just getting emotional, throwing dods

1569
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 2: to ton of hoodson non ky Lamet full polls the best.

1570
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Eric, lets us know your reaction to the

1571
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: coat off camera because we were showing it was just fantastic.

1572
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: It is amazing for that that big of a badass

1573
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: to be wearing that badass of a coat. I mean,

1574
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: he's our Joe Namath. He just hasked to stay healthy,

1575
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, like when when he had when he hit

1576
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: that first touchdown. Oh no, it was actually the yos

1577
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: of us touchdown. And I think if you're watching us

1578
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: on YouTube, we love you, subscribe, like we'll be back

1579
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: on Sunday night. You can actually see his reaction after

1580
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: showing hitting that touchdown of him just slamming himself in

1581
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: the chest and uh in the head, saying you're gonna

1582
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: send a six man pressure on me, I'm.

1583
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 3: Gonna make you pay.

1584
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: And he said after the game how they've been repping

1585
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: that exact play over and over all season, even when

1586
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: he was.

1587
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 3: Not in a lineup.

1588
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: Everyone check out the read Optional, Ali, I saw you

1589
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: got a Black Friday special, so this is the time

1590
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 1: to do it.

1591
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 2: Fifty dollars. Come come now, come on, that's fifty dollars

1592
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: for a year the read Optional. Amazing.

1593
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the whole year. And that's Ali's great writing.

1594
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: And so he'll be using about maybe thirty five hundred

1595
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: of those four thousand words of notes.

1596
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 3: In terms of his writing.

1597
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: And then you can also check out his great podcast

1598
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: with John Leedard if you subscribe there too. If you

1599
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: subscribe to this podcast feed, you will hear us again

1600
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: on Sunday night. So normally Ali and I are going

1601
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: to be doing Saturdays moving forward, but it was a

1602
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 1: pleasure Ali to have you recapping I think the biggest

1603
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: two days of the NFL season so far.

1604
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 3: So hopefully Sunday can top it.

1605
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 2: A lot of pressure.

1606
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: I'll be back in the studio with Jordan Rodrive and

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,839
Speaker 1: Patrick Clayban. Your guys, Shook will be I from Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: We will see you that

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.