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Speaker 2: Last night, Seahawks hold off the Cardinals and Seattle now

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Speaker 2: three and one on the year, and the questions with

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals remain whether it's Kyler Murray well the overall organization.

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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior the third did have a touchdown reception

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Speaker 2: and the Cardinals made it interesting. But Seattle at the

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Speaker 2: buzzer wins that one and now improves to three and one.

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Speaker 2: Busy schedule coming up this weekend. The Saints are fifteen

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Speaker 2: and a half point underdogs at the Buffalo Bills. You

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Speaker 2: don't get a number that big, you know. The NFL

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Speaker 2: prides itself on parody that maybe you'll get upwards of seven, eight,

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Speaker 2: nine point spread. But I saw that with the Saints

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Speaker 2: fifteen and a half point underdogs in Buffalo. There's a

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Speaker 2: game coming up this weekend where the point spread has

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Speaker 2: kind of fluctuated a little bit. I find this a

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Speaker 2: fascinating game. It's not a game that people are talking about.

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Speaker 2: It's a college game. If you've got so we have

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Speaker 2: LSU and Ole Miss, we have Oregon, Penn State, Alabama

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Speaker 2: and Georgia. Those are all great games, great matchups. But

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Speaker 2: the game that I find the most interesting is Ohio

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Speaker 2: State and Washington because this started out ten and a

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Speaker 2: half for Ohio State giving ten and a half. Now

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Speaker 2: it's down to seven and a half in some places.

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Speaker 2: Something's going on here now. Washington has a good offense.

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Speaker 2: We haven't seen too much from Ohio State since the

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Speaker 2: opening win against Texas. You're on the road, and I

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Speaker 2: find this one a fascinating game. But we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: some of the other matchups throughout the show eight seven

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Speaker 2: to seven to three. DP Show operator Tyler sitting by.

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Speaker 2: He'll take your phone calls. Email address DP at Danpatrick

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Speaker 2: is underway and Team USA is getting roughed up early,

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Speaker 2: and we'll keep an eye on that as well. Chris

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Speaker 2: Simms from Football Night in America will stop by coming

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Speaker 2: up next hour, seeing what's poll question you're going to

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Speaker 2: go with today, At least for the first hour.

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Speaker 3: I think we've got two of them here for you

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Speaker 3: for the first hour. From Paul NFL franchise that feels

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Speaker 3: least competitive year to year.

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Speaker 2: Is this Recncy bias here with the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 4: A little bit it's like a feel when you watch

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Speaker 4: a team or a franchise year to year, they just

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Speaker 4: feel like they're going to disappoint. And the Cardinals are

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Speaker 4: possibly a one seed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, they tend to find the banana peal. Now

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Speaker 2: they've had some hot starts, you know where, first half

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Speaker 2: of the season, and then all of a sudden they

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Speaker 2: cooled off. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I if I agree about that

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Speaker 3: on the Cardinals, because they there's always a little bit

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Speaker 3: of Man, if they could figure this out though, if

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Speaker 3: Kyler American figure this out, if Man they get they

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Speaker 3: just get a superstar wide receiver, maybe they could figure that.

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Speaker 3: There's always a little bit like man, they're like, they're

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Speaker 3: right there about being super competitive and then it just

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Speaker 3: doesn't work. They're not the Browns.

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Speaker 2: Would you well, okay, would you rather be a Cardinal

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Speaker 2: fan or a Browns fan? Cardinals fan?

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Speaker 5: All day?

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Speaker 2: All right, godd, I think I'd.

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Speaker 6: Rather be a Browns fan because you got the dog

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Speaker 6: pound and people who look genuinely passionate about their team. Arizona,

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Speaker 6: they're in the sun and the desert. I don't know,

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Speaker 6: you know, they took shot to the Stateum I don'tso

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Speaker 6: really see that Arizona sports fan crazy passion that i'd

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Speaker 6: want to be surrounded by at the stadium.

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Speaker 2: Well, sun and desert don't impact the game, because no.

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Speaker 6: But like the there's other things to do. When you're enjoying

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Speaker 6: the sunshine, you're kind of mellow. You don't hear about

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Speaker 6: the crazy Arizona fans, but you do hear about the dog.

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Speaker 2: Fan, Marvin Cardinal fan or Browns fan.

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Speaker 5: Rather be a Cardinals fan, all right, Paul, this is

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Speaker 5: a tough one.

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Speaker 4: The Cardinals have made the postseason six times in the

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Speaker 4: past forty years.

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Speaker 2: That's a horrible percentage. Yeah, I'd rather be a Browns fan.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Browns fan. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think Fritzy had a point. They feel more into football. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: there's passion there as a franchise. Yes, not the fan base.

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Speaker 2: I'm not big on. Well, you know, I thought the whole.

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Speaker 3: Point of this discussion that Todd just had was about

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Speaker 3: the fan base.

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Speaker 4: I would say more so like the ownership. They're both

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Speaker 4: bad ownerships. But the Cardinals have a history of not investing. Well,

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Speaker 4: we keep waiting for Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what we're expecting to see Marvin Harrison.

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Speaker 2: You know, Herbie was talking about this last night. This

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Speaker 2: was a big topic, and rightfully so, this was a

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Speaker 2: can't miss. Your dad's a Hall of Famer, and you

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Speaker 2: look to be bigger and better and stronger and faster,

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Speaker 2: and it hasn't happened. Now. His numbers his rookie year

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Speaker 2: weren't bad, but he's supposed to be great. And he

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Speaker 2: stopped on a route that led to an interception. He

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Speaker 2: had a big drop. Now I did have a really

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Speaker 2: good touchdown reception, but you're supposed to have these things.

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to be great. And I maybe because you're

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Speaker 2: at Ohio State, everything is open. Don't have to worry

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Speaker 2: about here in footsteps. But this is a standalone game.

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Speaker 2: And I said this would be a topic and a

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Speaker 2: a standalone game. And Marvin Harrison maybe that's the first

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Speaker 2: time you've seen him play. Talent's there, Kyler Murray. What

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Speaker 2: did he get sacked seven times last time and last

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Speaker 2: night six times last night?

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Speaker 7: I mean, and.

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Speaker 2: That's on the quarterback as well. That's not just the

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Speaker 2: offensive line. That is quarterback trying to do maybe too much.

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Speaker 2: You find a lot of these quarterbacks that you know,

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Speaker 2: that's where's it's kind of an optical illusion, where, man,

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Speaker 2: how did that guy? How did Cato Williams get sacked

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Speaker 2: sixty eight times? Isn't he athletic? Lamar Jackson got sacked

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Speaker 2: what seven times? The other night? Well, they're trying to

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Speaker 2: keep a play alive too long, and sometimes you know

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Speaker 2: that athleticism comes back to haunt you.

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Speaker 5: But for the.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals in that division, you know, because the Niners are undefeated,

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Speaker 2: the Rams are going to be there in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: And Seattle's three and one, so the margin for air

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Speaker 2: and you haven't beaten Seattle since twenty twenty one. But

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Speaker 2: it's just not an inspiring franchise there. What's the other

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Speaker 2: poll question? Seton?

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Speaker 3: The other one we got here is the Vikings letting

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Speaker 3: Sam Donald leave was the right decision at the time

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Speaker 3: or will come back to haunt them?

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Speaker 2: No, it's the right decision. We saw when you need

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnald to be great. What happened those last two

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Speaker 2: Do I think he's a bridge quarterback in Seattle? I do,

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Speaker 2: And it might just be a one year deal. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe could be their starting quarterback, but I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's And Sam was drafted probably too high or

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Speaker 2: too high to go to a bad team when he

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Speaker 2: a couple other spots. You know, this isn't a I

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Speaker 2: didn't do well in one place and now I go

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Speaker 2: to another place, and now I have this epiphany. He

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Speaker 2: had stops along the way. Do I think he's capable

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Speaker 2: of leading them to the playoffs. I do, but I

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Speaker 2: don't look at him the way I look at, you know,

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Speaker 2: some of these other franchise quarterbacks. And it's probably it's

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Speaker 2: it says three year deal, it's really a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: And I think the Vikings they made, you know, they

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Speaker 2: made that decision when they drafted JJ McCarthy that they

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Speaker 2: were moving on from him, just like they moved on

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Speaker 2: from Kirk Cousins. And they're all in on JJ McCarthy. Now,

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Speaker 2: unless JJ McCarthy is going to be injury prone his

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Speaker 2: entire career, then I don't Minnesota made the right decision.

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Speaker 2: By all accounts, they made the right decision and you

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Speaker 2: get that rookie contract with JJ McCarthy. He just hasked

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Speaker 2: to stay healthy. Do I think he should be a

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Speaker 2: better quarterback than Sam Doneld, Yes, but if Sam can

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Speaker 2: kind of just not make mistakes. And last night was

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Speaker 2: just hey, just go out there, get a touchdown, touchdown,

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Speaker 2: a couple of touchdowns, no interceptions, and maintain manage a game.

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Speaker 2: That's all. So we'll get to your phone calls coming up.

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Speaker 2: Here is the This is one of those games last

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Speaker 2: night where you didn't know who the coaches were, or

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Speaker 2: you might not know who the coaches were. So when

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon is being interviewed at halftime and they're booing

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Speaker 2: him and he hung in there, and who was doing

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Speaker 2: the sideline Lizy hartin, Yes, Hey, kudos to you because

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Speaker 2: you brought up the booze that were happening in the

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Speaker 2: moment there to the coach. They're booing wonderful. But Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Gannon and then Seattle's head coach is Mike McDonald, and

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Speaker 2: Mike McDonald and he talked about how the Seahawks executed

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Speaker 2: late in the game to win for us.

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Speaker 8: It was just like, all right, hey, look we're not

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Speaker 8: on you know, we're identifying the two minute situation, and

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Speaker 8: Ad and the guys are talking to the guys on

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Speaker 8: the bench and they're ready to go to overtime. They're

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Speaker 8: talking about our overtime plan. It was just kind of like, hey,

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Speaker 8: what's what's next. Clint called some great plays. We had

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Speaker 8: a great protection that's in that series. You're fortunate with

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Speaker 8: the kick being you know, not in the landing zone.

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Speaker 8: And then you know, Sam and Jacks were just whites

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Speaker 8: out and just a great job overall.

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Speaker 7: Brian did a great job.

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Speaker 8: Of managing the managing the clock, and this is this

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's Mike McDonald, not McDaniel and Jonathan Gannon.

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Speaker 2: Prity goes Jonathan Gannon. Was he a backup quarterback somewhere

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Speaker 5: Mike McDonald had a farm? Yeah, yeah, Oh and what's

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Speaker 5: going on there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Glennon Terry Gannon, Like, you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what's going on here, but standalone game and therefore,

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Speaker 2: everybody has an opinion on both of these teams from

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Speaker 2: last night. We will get to your phone calls coming up.

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Speaker 2: The topic is not leaving anytime soon, and that is

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson junior third. Is he a Hall of Famer

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Speaker 2: playing himself out of the Hall of Fame? Tony Gonzalez,

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Speaker 2: hall of Famer, came down hard on Russell Wilson last night.

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Speaker 2: Richard Sherman, his former teammate, came down hard on Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson as well. We'll talk about that, but it's open

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Speaker 2: season on Russell Wilson. It feels like I hope he

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Speaker 2: gets an opportunity to play for the Bengals. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it'll happen. I don't know if the Bengals

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Speaker 2: are interested. I know he's saying all the right things,

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Speaker 2: but he always says all the right things. It feels

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Speaker 2: like the only time in his career he didn't say

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Speaker 2: what you thought he was going to say was when

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Speaker 2: he came on this show and said he wanted out

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Speaker 2: of Seattle. That's it. Maybe needs the same say the

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Speaker 2: same thing in New York. You know what, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be looking over Jackson's shoulder. We have Jamis here.

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Speaker 2: Can I go and try to salvage the back end

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Speaker 2: of my career? Can I go play for the Bengals

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Speaker 2: for a year. I don't know if it'll happen. But

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Speaker 2: if I'm the Bengals, I'd certainly entertain that, but will

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Speaker 2: play some of the comments that Tony Gonzalez and Richard

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Speaker 2: I wish that he would have said that up front. Look,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a good relationship or I didn't like

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Speaker 12: No buddy, happy to meet Friday boys live every day

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Speaker 2: Colby in California, Hi Colby, but.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, scoinn. Does that help you, ton?

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Speaker 15: Thanks Tan heay a question for you and on the

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Speaker 9: Do you think we've seen the last of Russell Wilson?

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Speaker 5: Honest, I hope we have.

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Speaker 16: One year, he's out of there, and now he goes

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Speaker 17: I think you got to judge his career off. When

436
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Speaker 17: the Legion of Boom was there. He had a legendary defense,

437
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Speaker 17: an all time defense, and how much success he had,

438
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Speaker 17: and then without that legendary defense, the success he had.

439
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Speaker 17: Without that legendary defense, he's been four and eleven, seven

440
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Speaker 17: and eight on in three. To start with the Giants,

441
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Speaker 17: he was a winning football player in Seattle, and people said, hey,

442
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Speaker 17: winning his football player, all this good stuff, all these accolades,

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Speaker 17: and now you get to go on your own and

444
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Speaker 17: you get to proved, Hey, I'm this great quarterback, I'm

445
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Speaker 17: this guy that's going to be dominant, and it just

446
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Speaker 17: hasn't worked.

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Speaker 5: Out that way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is revisionist history. The legion of Boom went

449
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Speaker 2: away when Russ was twenty seven. You can point towards

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Speaker 2: the last three years. How about we be fair to

451
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Speaker 2: what he did in Seattle, because that's what this is about.

452
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Speaker 2: And once you're in, aren't you in in the Hall

453
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Speaker 2: of Fame Unless there's a scandal. It doesn't feel like

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Speaker 2: you're going to play your way out of it. Now.

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Speaker 2: Have I brought up this question? Absolutely to be fair

456
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Speaker 2: to the topic, I have said, is he playing his

457
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Speaker 2: way out of it? My job is to ask the question.

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Speaker 2: Your opinion could be, of course not. But I think

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Speaker 2: you gotta be careful with what Russ did in Seattle

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Speaker 2: after the Lege in the boom and because of Russ's contract,

461
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Speaker 2: you were able to keep players a little bit longer

462
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Speaker 2: because he was on that rookie deal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Pully, you're exactly right on the defense in Seattle

464
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Speaker 4: when Russ was there, Russell Wilson's first five years in Seattle,

465
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Speaker 4: they had a top three defense every year. His last

466
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Speaker 4: five years in Seattle, they didn't have a top ten

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Speaker 4: defense in any of those seasons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's two different eras. But I think you got

469
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Speaker 2: to be fair to him, and I don't think people

470
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Speaker 2: are now. Is he different? Is he odd? Yes? But

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Speaker 2: he was still great in Seattle. He did what you

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Speaker 2: want a quarterback to do. What do you need me

473
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Speaker 2: to do. Now, how many times did we watch a

474
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Speaker 2: Seattle game and the score would be like seventeen to fifteen,

475
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Speaker 2: and then Pete Carroll would go, I don't know, Russ

476
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Speaker 2: pull this out, and he would he had that one pass,

477
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Speaker 2: that one pass it's and once again the pass was

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Speaker 2: on the numbers. You know, you just had Malcolm Butler,

479
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Speaker 2: who made one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history,

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Speaker 2: football history.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Maarman, did we consider Russell Wilson a First Battle

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Speaker 9: Hall of Famer at the end of his reign in Seattle?

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Speaker 2: No, but there are quarterbacks who have put up less

484
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Speaker 2: numbers than him. Eli's regular season is not good at all.

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Speaker 2: It is is average. His record is five hundred. That's average.

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Speaker 2: He won two incredible Super Bowls. He was MVP, even

487
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Speaker 2: though on one of those the defensive line should have

488
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Speaker 2: been mvpick. But he got two of those and had

489
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Speaker 2: two incredible runs. We're trying to bring Eli into the

490
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Speaker 2: Russell conversation or vice versa. Eli stands on his own.

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't be about Russell Wilson, and Russell shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: about Eli Manning. But that's it feels like that's that's

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Speaker 2: the conversation.

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Speaker 3: Now, yes, yeah, because if that pick doesn't happen, they're

495
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Speaker 3: the exact scene.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, Russ is a would be considered a far,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, far better quarterback than Eli.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if for us has that second ring, then

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Speaker 3: he's in no questions, absolutely, that's the comparison ELI getting

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Speaker 3: that second ring and beating the Patriots.

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Speaker 7: That gets him in for sure.

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Speaker 2: No problem. And Eli made the Pro Bowl four times

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Speaker 2: and he led the league and interceptions a couple of

504
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Speaker 2: times three times. I mean, I don't have any problem

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Speaker 2: with Eli being a Hall of Famer. He's going to

506
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Speaker 2: be you know his name. You beat Belichick and Brady twice. Okay,

507
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: played a long time, he was durable. He played in

508
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Speaker 2: over two hundred consecutive games. But Russ is a Hall

509
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Speaker 2: of Famer. I know he's tailed off here. He's playing

510
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Speaker 2: for a bad team Pittsburgh. They went to the playoffs Denver,

511
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Speaker 2: and that was a bad move by Denver, and Sean

512
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Speaker 2: Payton quickly realized that, Yeah, PAULI the.

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Speaker 4: Comp on this is almost like an actor, like a

514
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Speaker 4: guy like ne Liam Neeson was once considered one of

515
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Speaker 4: the top actors in the world, and like he was

516
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Speaker 4: in the most serious movies. He won awards. Then he

517
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Speaker 4: kind of changed directions at the end of the career

518
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Speaker 4: and it was different. It's not the same stuff. It's

519
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Speaker 4: like just because an actor or even a musician changes

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Speaker 4: what they do in the back half of their career,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't take away from the first half. And it's

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Speaker 4: almost like these guys last night were looking in through

523
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Speaker 4: the lens of Russell Wilson as a giant and they

524
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Speaker 4: can't see the past the ten years in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean there's different comps here if you're

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Speaker 2: trying to do that. I mean, is he a Ben

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Speaker 2: Roethlisberger kind of quarterback?

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Speaker 7: Here?

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Speaker 2: Roethlisberger was carried to that first Super Bowl and Jerome

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Speaker 2: Bettis and Heinz Board have talked about that, how he

531
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Speaker 2: was scared to death in that first Super Bowl. But

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Speaker 2: you know he put up great numbers here. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it's tough to ask a former teammate who

534
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Speaker 3: played on the defense to be impartial about certain conversations

535
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Speaker 3: because in his mind, I mean, Richard Sherman's reaction to

536
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Speaker 3: that interception is almost as famous as the play itself, right,

537
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Speaker 3: And he's like, no, man, because if it wasn't for that, dude,

538
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Speaker 3: we would have won. The defense is what carried us

539
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Speaker 3: all these years. We're the ones that did this. And

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Speaker 3: the whole story the whole time was yeah, Legion of

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Speaker 3: Boom was whatever. But now let Russ cook, what about

542
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Speaker 3: russ Man, We go take the training wheels off Russ

543
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Speaker 3: let him go do what he think. And meanwhile, you know,

544
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Speaker 3: people like Richard Sherman are like, no, dude, like we

545
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Speaker 3: carried that dude, I kinda. I think it's difficult to

546
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Speaker 3: ask people who are in the situation to not have

547
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Speaker 3: an opinion, a strong opinion about it.

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Speaker 2: Be fair, rich the Legion of Boom has gotten a

549
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Speaker 2: ton of credit, a ton of credit. Nobody is bypassing

550
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Speaker 2: them and saying they weren't impactful. One of the great

551
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Speaker 2: secondaries we have ever seen in the NFL. So they've

552
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Speaker 2: gotten their flowers here and you got Earl Thomas and

553
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: Richard Sherman, who are probably Hall of famers. Cam Chancellor

554
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: was wonderful. Here's the last five years in Seattle for

555
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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson touchdowns and interceptions thirty four and eleven, thirty

556
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Speaker 2: five and seven, thirty one and five, forty and thirteen

557
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Speaker 2: and twenty five and six. Only Aaron Rodgers was better

558
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Speaker 2: over that period touchdown to interception ratio. I think you

559
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Speaker 2: look at today and you're not being fair to what

560
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Speaker 2: Russ was without the legion of boom, because the legion

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Speaker 2: of boom wasn't there after he was twenty seven, he's

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Speaker 2: thirty six now.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Mark, going back to Roethlisberger, the same point that

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Speaker 9: you made with Eli, Ben Roethlisberger became a Hall of

565
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Speaker 9: Famer because of a unbelievable Super Bowl against the Cardinals.

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Speaker 9: And I think that's the big distinction, is the one

567
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Speaker 9: super Bowl versus the two Super Bowls with Eli and Ben.

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Speaker 2: But nobody says, boy, the Steelers had an unbelievable defense,

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Speaker 2: I mean, right.

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Speaker 5: And James Harrison had one of the best.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, James Harrison's interception at the end of the

572
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Speaker 2: first half.

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Speaker 9: But I think Ben Roethlisberger had that unbelievable pass that

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Speaker 9: how many people can make.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he had an unbelievable pass that was an unbelievable

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Speaker 2: two minute drill. Absolutely, I mean, Ben's a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 5: I just.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised that you know the tail end. What if

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Speaker 2: Russ started his career right now, the way he's ending

580
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Speaker 2: it and then flipped it around.

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Speaker 5: He's in like Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're like, oh my god, this guy's unbelievable. But

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Speaker 2: we look at the tail end and mean, you know

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Speaker 2: when we see Willie's fallen down in center field as

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Speaker 2: a met well, yeah, do I remember it? Yes, But

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Speaker 2: I also remember might have been the greatest talent I

587
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Speaker 2: ever saw in a baseball field. Yeah, Pauling.

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Speaker 4: The two years that Ben Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl

589
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Speaker 4: with the Steelers, they had the third ranked defense in

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Speaker 4: the league and the first ranked defense.

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Speaker 5: In the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but nobody brings that up, no context. No, that's

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Speaker 2: all I think Richard needs to at least say, hey,

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Speaker 2: I don't have the best relationship with Russ. Maybe I

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Speaker 2: can't be impartial here. Tony Gonzalez can say whatever he wants.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are their opinions, and they played the game,

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Speaker 2: and you know you had Richard who played with Ross.

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Speaker 2: I understand that. Let's just remember the numbers here and

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Speaker 2: how the team performed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at say like twenty twelve, the

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Speaker 3: Seahawks averaged about twenty five points a game on offense

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Speaker 3: and gave up fifteen points. If you go ten years later,

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Speaker 3: well not quite ten years later, but if you go

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Speaker 3: to say twenty nineteen, they were averaging twenty five points

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Speaker 3: a game still on offense, giving up twenty five points

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Speaker 3: a game on defense. I mean, that's like the whole

607
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Speaker 3: story just based on that. To me, Russell Wilson and

608
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: that offense stayed exactly the same through his entire tenure there.

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Speaker 3: The only difference was the defense started giving up too

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Speaker 3: many points for him to overcome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, if you go back to the Super Bowl

612
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Speaker 4: Patriots versus Seattle, the Luminaries that Russell Wilson was throwing to,

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Speaker 4: Chris Matthews, Ricardo Lockette, Jermaine Curse, Doug Baldwin and Brian

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Speaker 4: Walters and Gronkowski and Edlman were on the other side.

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Speaker 2: And Brady Yeah, yeah, maybe you heard of him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's an interesting topic. I just think it's easy to

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Speaker 2: dismiss Russ now and forget about what he did before. Yes, Martan, if.

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Speaker 9: Russe Wilson had an MVP award, would this not even

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Speaker 9: be a discussion, Because I think the big difference is

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Speaker 9: when we say, like Peyton Manning, he didn't have a

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Speaker 9: great ending in Denver, but he had MVP awards.

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Speaker 5: Would that be a big difference?

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Speaker 9: Also because Pro Bowls might be Pro Bowls versus all

624
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Speaker 9: pros are a different stratosphere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at super Bowls and super Bowl

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Speaker 2: MVPs for quarterbacks, I mean that's our regular season MVPs. Yes,

627
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Speaker 2: that's probably the category that you use. You add that

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Speaker 2: up and that I mean look at Brady. The number

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Speaker 2: of super Bowl wins, the number of super Bowl MVPs.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many times he was a regular

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Speaker 2: season MVP, but it's probably the total is fifteen of

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Speaker 2: MVP super Bowl and regular season MVP. That's that dwarfs everybody.

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Speaker 2: That's double what Peyton. Peyton had what five MVPs he

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Speaker 2: had two Super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: in America. Where is this dislike discrediting, hatred or whatever

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Speaker 2: it might be? With Russell Wilson coming from that. Now

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Speaker 2: it's a topic is he playing his way out of

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean, you know, first off, I don't

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Speaker 7: think I had him in the Hall of Fame anyways,

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Speaker 7: So I think that's still a debatable topic there a

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Speaker 7: little bit, all right, NFL legend, right, one of the

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Speaker 7: better quarterbacks of our era for sure, but hall of Fame.

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Speaker 7: I'm not really ready to say that about Russell Wilson. Now.

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Speaker 7: The criticism, you know, again, I think a lot of

652
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 7: it has to do with his play, and I think

653
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 7: a little bit has to do with his personality and

654
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 7: how he's viewed, not only by the public, but how

655
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 7: people view him. I think in the football world, in

656
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 7: locker room stuff like that. Right, We've seen a number

657
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 7: of locker rooms that, Yeah, Russell Wilson's a nice guy,

658
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 7: But is he a leader? Is he one of the guys? Right?

659
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 7: Is he respected like one of the guys? I think

660
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 7: that's been debatable at certain places. There was a lot

661
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 7: of talk of that last year in Pittsburgh, Denver. You

662
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 7: didn't hear anybody there sticking up going, man, he really

663
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 7: got a raw deal there, right. You didn't really hear

664
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 7: about it in Seattle either, and he kind of forced

665
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 7: his way out of that situation. So I think between

666
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 7: that acting maybe like he's a Hall of Famer and

667
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 7: then playing like he's barely a starter in the NFL,

668
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 7: that's probably where we are right now. As far as

669
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 7: the criticism around Russell Wilson, it feels like.

670
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford is a bro and he's never been a

671
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl quarterback or one time, never been an MVP, right,

672
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: but he won a Super Bowl, Yeah, and that feels

673
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: like that alone is going to get him into the

674
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.

675
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Speaker 7: Well, I think there's some different circumstances there where I'd go.

676
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 7: You know, Matthew Stafford for me, for a while, was

677
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 7: the only reason Detroit was ever in any conversations about

678
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 7: being in the playoffs at all. Right, he was almost

679
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 7: his own worst enemy in the fact that he was

680
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 7: so good. He made them eight to eight and they

681
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 7: might have gotten the playoffs or didn't but lost in

682
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 7: the first round or whatever, and people say, oh, look,

683
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 7: he couldn't get in the playoffs or he choked in

684
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Speaker 7: the playoffs, when it was like, no, they weren't really

685
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Speaker 7: a playoff team. They got there because he's so amazing.

686
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Speaker 7: So that's where I would stick up for him. He

687
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 7: was the football team there, and then you saw as

688
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 7: soon as he got with the team that could support

689
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 7: him at all, it was like, Boom, I'm gonna win

690
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 7: the Super Bowl. And Russell Wilson's I think, is a

691
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 7: little different than that, where Hey, some good years, certainly,

692
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 7: but we know the legion of Boom and that defense

693
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 7: and run game were the most important parts of that

694
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 7: football team early on in his career.

695
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can look at this and say that

696
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: Russ got with a team that was really good and

697
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: he won. He went to two Super Bowls, Whereas when

698
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: he's not with a good team, he still took Pittsburgh

699
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: to the playoffs.

700
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Speaker 7: Yeah, he still took Pittsford the playoffs. But the passing

701
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 7: offense and everything around him has been the question, right,

702
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 7: And I don't think that's been the question around Matthew Stafford.

703
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 7: We are never like, I don't know if the passing

704
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 7: offense is gonna work with Matthew Stafford. We've gotten to

705
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 7: a point here where you've seen one of the greatest

706
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 7: offensive mines in the history of football. And Sean Payton

707
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 7: go through half a year ago it ain't gonna work.

708
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 7: It's not gonna work. We're gonna I'm gonna ask him

709
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 7: to take off the guarantees of his contract next year.

710
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 7: That's how much it's not gonna work. I'm gonna bench

711
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 7: him for Jared Stidham. So I think with all of that,

712
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 7: and then yeah, last year there was some moments, but

713
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 7: again he's limited in what he can do Dan right,

714
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 7: because he can't run and scramble anymore. He's not very

715
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 7: good playing within the pocket, and he doesn't really work

716
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 7: at whole offense. He's never surgical, as I would say.

717
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: But if it's up a resume, Chris he had, Yes,

718
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: he built up a ten year career and whether you

719
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: value Pro Bowls or not.

720
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I hear you, And I respect all

721
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 7: of that.

722
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 5: I do.

723
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 7: He had a lot of awesome years. There's no doubt

724
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 7: about that. And I'm not saying I'm right about the

725
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 7: Hall of Fame thing. That's just my opinion, and I'm

726
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 7: sure there's other people that are smart in football that

727
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 7: may be differ in that. So I understand the resume

728
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 7: and all that, but I also think within the resume resume,

729
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 7: the team he had and all that it was set

730
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 7: up so perfectly for him to look awesome, right, and

731
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 7: he obviously didn't like it there. He wanted to be

732
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 7: more of a guy like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes

733
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 7: where everything was around him, and we're seeing that the

734
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 7: physical talents are not there of that like those guys

735
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 7: right there, and he can't do it.

736
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: Talking to Chris Sim's Pro Football Talk Live co host

737
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: the show that precedes hours on Peacock, you can see

738
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: him on Football Night in America. How long should we

739
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: wait for Kyler Murray?

740
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 7: I think we've waited long enough. There's no longer, there's

741
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 7: no longer to wait. It's like, hey, dude, you gotta

742
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 7: make some plays. We got to win some football games.

743
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 7: We got to win some of these tough post games here. Yeah,

744
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 7: Kyler Murray is the guy that's floating in that area

745
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 7: of He's got some talent that makes you think he

746
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 7: could be a top ten quarterback or elite, but there's

747
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 7: other issues in his game that make him look real average.

748
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 7: And you saw the game last night, there's lots of

749
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 7: moments there where yeah, it is real, and you expect

750
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 7: him to make a few plays on the run that

751
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 7: he didn't make last night in some of those throws. So, yeah,

752
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 7: I'm a little disappointed in Kyler Murray. I expected more

753
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 7: out of him by this time of his career. And yeah,

754
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 7: he's getting to that point where if some results don't happen,

755
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 7: you know, they're gonna be looking for changes out there

756
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 7: in Arizona in the next year or two.

757
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: And Marvin Harrison was a sure thing.

758
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 7: Well he was, yeah to a lot. You know, I

759
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 7: knew he was really good. You know, you're talking to

760
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 7: one guy here that when I you know, I thought

761
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 7: it was a little overhyped coming out right. I mean again,

762
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 7: really good, And I know he can still be really good.

763
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 7: He's on the right path. The problem is is people

764
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 7: tried to make him like the greatest superstar ever. And

765
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 7: I was like, wait, I mean, there wasn't a ton

766
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 7: of separation in college. I don't see slants where he

767
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 7: went for eighty yards after Meanwhile, those guys we saw

768
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 7: at LSU Molik Neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior, who were

769
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 7: the guys I had at the top of Lewis that year.

770
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 7: I was going, they're running by everybody, They're leaving everybody

771
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 7: in the dust. Right, So I think all of that

772
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 7: has kind of played into this Marvin Harrison thing. Let alone,

773
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 7: their offense isn't great as well, so that doesn't lend

774
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 7: itself to great passing yards and stats either.

775
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: How often does this happen? What happened to Cam Newton

776
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: with Tua? Because two is saying, Oh, you know, anybody

777
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: I guess can play quarterback and you know you could?

778
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: He like, how dare you criticize him? And I was

779
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: surprised that two has said that since we know that

780
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: you know, Cam had a pretty storied career, but you

781
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: didn't have that. But you're a great analyst. How often

782
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: do you get what do you know about the position?

783
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: Or how dare you critique me?

784
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 7: Yeah? That's always I mean, you know, I haven't got

785
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 7: that from players and anything like that. I think, you know,

786
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 7: most people in the NFL. No, I'm pretty connected and

787
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 7: obsessed with the sport and study it like mad and

788
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 7: know what I'm talking about a little bit. Now, I

789
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 7: get that from fans and I see that on my

790
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 7: social media, like, oh, your career sucked? How could you

791
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 7: talk about this guy?

792
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: You know?

793
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 7: So I always hear that type of stuff that comes

794
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 7: with the job. That doesn't mean I'm not good at

795
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 7: evaluating players and knowing the game and understanding it that

796
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 7: way either. And I can talk it really good too.

797
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 7: So yeah, there's all that. And you know, again, one

798
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 7: of my themes of my year on my podcast at

799
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 7: all of that a little bit is, you know, is

800
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 7: to challenge some of these teams and what they've done

801
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 7: with these quarterback contracts. Hey, so it us being paid

802
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 7: like he's Lamar, like he's Josh Allen, like he's Patrick

803
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 7: Mahomes been. Sorry, team, I'm gonna blame you. I want

804
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 7: to see those results that I'm gonna blame that quarterback too.

805
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 7: I am. I don't know where we've gotten too this

806
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 7: mold that we're gonna pay the quarterback four times more

807
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 7: as much money than the best players on the football team,

808
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 7: even when the quarterbacks are middle of the road in

809
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 7: the NFL and nobody in football is gonna pay two

810
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 7: of fifty five million dollars a year. I mean, they

811
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 7: literally negotiated against themselves. So now they want to wonder

812
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 7: why they're in this spot. And when you make when

813
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 7: you make a statements that I can't do half the

814
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 7: things Josh Allen does. When you're getting ready to play

815
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 7: them and you're being paid just like him, And okay,

816
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 7: the rubber meets the road there. That doesn't make sense.

817
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 7: And I feel like we have a little of that

818
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 7: in the NFL right now, where there's four or five

819
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 7: guys that deserve to be paid like they are everybody else.

820
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 7: I want to go, it's a little crazy, and agents

821
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 7: and gms have fooled the rest of the world that

822
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 7: the quarterbacks are so much worth more money than everybody

823
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 7: else on the football team.

824
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: Should the Cowboys acknowledge Micah Parsons in a celebratory way

825
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: prior to the game?

826
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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm old school. I don't give a damn

827
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 7: if they do, right, But at the same time, it

828
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 7: would probably be the classy thing to do to make

829
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 7: a little acknowledgment for one of the better players there

830
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 7: that they've had in recent history, who also, you know,

831
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 7: lefts in a little bit of a weird situation, right,

832
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 7: I mean just a little bit, just a little bit,

833
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 7: and we took under the you know, you know, below

834
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 7: the belt shots at them through the whole process and

835
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 7: trying to change the rules of the CBA. And we

836
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 7: don't want his agent to negotiate because he might know

837
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 7: what he's talking about in negotiation of the contracts. We'd

838
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 7: rather talk about it to the football player. So yeah,

839
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 7: do I think that would be the classy thing to do.

840
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 7: I would, But if they don't do it, I'm not

841
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 7: going to sit there and drag the Cowboys. He's only

842
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 7: been there a short period of time. This is not

843
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 7: like it's a Randy White or Ed too Tall Jones.

844
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: Finish this sentence. Daniel Jones is.

845
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 7: Is a lot better than people realize, and it's one

846
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 7: of my favorite Well why because he's got all the

847
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 7: physical tools and the mentality to be good at quarterback.

848
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 7: You know the thing I always say, right jokingly, I'm like,

849
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 7: get and I've probably said it to you before. If

850
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 7: you're around crap all the time, you start to smell

851
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 7: like crap, and crap gets on you and then all

852
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 7: of a sudden, you don't look so good. Sat Quon

853
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 7: Barkley was a bust up with the New York Giants.

854
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 7: They should have never picked them the number two. And

855
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 7: then he goes to a team like the Eagles and

856
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 7: we go, is he the best running back I've ever

857
00:43:59,560 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 7: seen him?

858
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: So?

859
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, the support system wasn't correct for Daniel Jones, let alone,

860
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 7: just the climate around him. You know, it's the New

861
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 7: York fans being so critical, playing for a coach who

862
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 7: didn't really draft him, right, and Brian Dayball and I

863
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 7: don't know if he was totally invested there. So now

864
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 7: you're seeing you put a little offense around him, You

865
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 7: give him a few answers, you protect him a little bit.

866
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, Daniel Jones can make a lot happen,

867
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 7: just like Sam Darnold, just like Baker Mayfield, just like

868
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 7: sa Quon Barkley. It's a team sport. You need some support.

869
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 7: You're not not everybody Superman.

870
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: Whis the most must win game of the weekend?

871
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 7: Oh all right, so that's a good one. I do

872
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 7: look at the Broncos being one and two on Monday night, gone,

873
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 7: they better win that one against the Bengals, right, who

874
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 7: are not playing good football, who are miraculously two and

875
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 7: one even though they've been out played in every game.

876
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 7: I think the most must win is the Ravens Chiefs game.

877
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 7: I don't think there's any doubt about that. I still

878
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 7: think the Ravens are a really good football team. I mean,

879
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 7: if Derrick Henry doesn't fall ball Againstuffalo, they probably win.

880
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 7: If he doesn't fumble. The other night, it's going to

881
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 7: be a nail bier right between the Detroit Lions. So

882
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 7: I still look at them as one of the top

883
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 7: teams in football. The Chiefs, on the other hand, I

884
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 7: do not. I've been one all year that's kind of said,

885
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 7: this is not the year they're going to do it

886
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 7: in the AFC West, and it's been worse than I expected.

887
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 7: The receiver injuries have certainly been a big part of that.

888
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 7: But yeah, the Chiefs are a team right now that

889
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 7: I look at and I go it's not close. So

890
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 7: I'm not like, Ooh, I like this. If they get

891
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 7: this straight, watch out they're in trouble. To me a

892
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 7: little bit.

893
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: Here, we don't teach tackling anymore, it feels like, but

894
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: we are teaching punching the ball out right right at

895
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: any point, and I don't want to be a buzzkill.

896
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: Does the NFL legislate a violent act of trying to

897
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: punch a ball out?

898
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 7: Probably not, I don't think so. I don't think they'll

899
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 7: ever be enough there, and I think it just adds

900
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 7: too much to the excitement of the football game. I

901
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 7: think the NFL wants excitement, they want big plays, they

902
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 7: want turnovers, they want points and all that, and that's

903
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 7: a big part of it. And to your point, yeah,

904
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 7: we don't practice tackling as much anymore because of all

905
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 7: the rules and everything's just different to where you can't

906
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 7: hit the same But at the same point, the tackling

907
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 7: is also falling off because I can tell you that

908
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 7: defensive players are going, hey, when you get in there,

909
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 7: the coaches are going hold them up so Johnny can

910
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 7: come by and knock the ball out, and that leads

911
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 7: to bad talking tackling too. But no, I don't think

912
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 7: that's going anywhere here anytime soon.

913
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: Paulie insists that I ask you this question about the

914
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: vikings in Sam Donald because nobody loves Sam Donald more

915
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: than Paulie. Right, will the Vikings regret moving on from

916
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: Sam Donald?

917
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 7: Well, they're definitely in a spot right now where you

918
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 7: don't know where it's gonna go, right. I think that's

919
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 7: that Like with JJ McCarthy, the fact that he didn't

920
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 7: play his rookie year. Here we are year two. It

921
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 7: was a little shaky in the game of the half

922
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 7: that he did pull out right, and now we're and

923
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 7: now we're gonna wait another few weeks for his development.

924
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 7: And you go, oh, I don't know where this quarterback

925
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 7: situation is. Did it go for the rest of the year.

926
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 7: It might be a problem. They might really have to

927
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 7: manage it. Yeah, from that standpoint, they're gonna I think

928
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 7: they're gonna regret it this year, but I think the

929
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 7: long play, they will not regret it when it's all

930
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 7: said and done. I still believe in JJ McCarthy and

931
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 7: more of that. I just believe it a'd No, I

932
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 7: mean Kevin O'Connell and his ability to groom these quarterbacks

933
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 7: and make them, you know, pretty awesome on the field.

934
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm all in on that. I just didn't

935
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 2: see that. JJ McCarthy, Oh my gosh, man. And yeah, yeah,

936
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: I hear you, and and I trust your judgment as much,

937
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: if not more so, than anybody. I just don't I

938
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: didn't see it at Michigan. He wasn't featured at Michigan. No,

939
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: you're right, that's the fair point.

940
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 7: And you know that year coming out, I had them

941
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 7: five out of those six great quarterbacks that all went

942
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 7: in the first round, right, because of some of the

943
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 7: things you said, Right, there was a part of you

944
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 7: that goes, wait, I like that he has to play

945
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 7: NFL football where it's not just spread and easy throws,

946
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 7: and he's playing in Michigan where it's play action and

947
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 7: throw the ball down the field. But to your point, yeah,

948
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 7: I didn't like that we might go a quarter without

949
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 7: him even throwing the football. That's a little crazy. And

950
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 7: the thing I think you're seeing too that he has

951
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 7: to work on is he's only got one club in

952
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 7: the bag. He only has the driver, he only has

953
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 7: the fastball. We don't see any like flick flick of

954
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 7: the wrist throws any side arm and he you know,

955
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 7: laying it over the linebackers and touching it to the

956
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 7: second level to a tight end. That's where he has

957
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 7: to grow. To me, every throw he makes that's good

958
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 7: is really just a fastball hardball.

959
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: And what he's doing with Justin Herbert, I don't know

960
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: if it's tangible that you see something that he's a

961
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: different quarterback. Yes, and I think Jim builds in almost

962
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: bumpers rails for Herbert that he's going to be successful.

963
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: But I don't know exactly what Jim is doing, but

964
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: it looks different. Well, he's an ex quarterback.

965
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Speaker 7: He makes the quarterbacks feel like he's in the fight

966
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 7: with them, right like I'm out there playing with you,

967
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 7: I'm supporting you. I know it's not easy, and I

968
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 7: think that's always great for a quarterback because it's not

969
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 7: easy and not a lot of people could put themselves

970
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 7: in their shoes that way. And he also, I think,

971
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 7: is trying to change the culture there. And let's not

972
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 7: forget the Chargers. Chargering was a big thing, them screwing

973
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 7: up games, doing everything there. He's changed that aspect about

974
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 7: the football team, and within that, he's got to change

975
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 7: kind of the mindset of the quarterback who's leading the charge.

976
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 7: I think there's two things that I look at. One,

977
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 7: watch this Sunday. He gets mad at his teammates. Now

978
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 7: he yells a little bit. That's what I like to see.

979
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 7: The second thing is he's getting outside the pocket and

980
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 7: making plays out there. That was the only ERAa he

981
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 7: really lacked behind the great ones mahomes Lamar Josh Allen Burrow.

982
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 7: Right when the defense would win against those guys, those

983
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 7: guys still made a play and got a twenty yard game.

984
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 7: Where you go, man, that was the perfect defense, the

985
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 7: perfect pass rush. But they still made it happen, almost

986
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 7: imposing their will that way. I don't think Herbert was

987
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 7: like that, but you're seeing that this year, and he's

988
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 7: playing as good as anybody in the NFL right now

989
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 7: a quarterback.

990
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: Good appearance, have a good weekend. Great to talk to

991
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: you again, Chris, Thank you, thanks a lot man, thank you.

992
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: That's Chris Sims.