1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to this season ending edition of Packers 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Unscripted from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: as always by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: to you hear from our studios at lambeau Field, and 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: this will be our last episode of the twenty twenty 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: five season. We're gonna wrap it up here and take 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: a break so Wes and I can kind of get 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: out of the office here and there over the next 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: couple months. I'm sure we'll be back, you know, sometime 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: before the Draft, leading into all the excitement that will 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: surround that. But Wes, before I get into some kind 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: of season ending topics, i'd like to run past you 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: just want to ask if there was anything because we 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: covered a lot of ground in our last episode, anything 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: from the game, from the Final Locker Room interviews on Monday, 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: anything that we didn't get to on our last show 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: that you want to touch on. 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: I loved you ask me this because here's the thing. 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: The Final Locker Room is always sort of the epitaph 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: right to the season, and a lot of times it 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: ends up just being a couple guys that maybe you 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: thought you're going to talk to. Maybe you didn't think 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: you're going to talk to and I'd only I'm trying 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 2: to not use the word stragglers here in terms of 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: the people that are traversing the locker room on that day. 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: But it's a hit or misproposition. Yeah, you and I 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: have said this to each other, We've said this to 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: pretty much every coworker that was willing to listen. I 29 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: was blown away by the Packers' final locker room on 30 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: Monday morning. That was the most people that have ever spoken, 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: That is the most amount of players who were injured, 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: that provided clarity on their situations and what they're dealing with, 33 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: what they dealt with, what the offseason is going to 34 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: look like for them. There was a time about midway 35 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: through that locker room where I was I was perfectly 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: content with Zach Tom speaking, Nate Hobbs speaking, and I thought, Okay, well, 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: these will be some of the stories we'll talk about 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: this week. But then in came Micah Parsons, In came 39 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: DeVante Wyatt, In came Tucker Craft, and in Wyatt's case 40 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: and in parsons case, both of these guys crutches. You know, 41 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: the bikes that you use to keep how you know, 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: you know, wad off your feet. 43 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: I was really inspired by those guys doing that because 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 2: they didn't have to do that. There's been so many 46 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: times where guys suffer season ending injuries, Mike and we 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: won't talk to them again, maybe during the off season program, 48 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: possibly in some cases training camp. Right, none of these 49 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: guys had to speak to the media on Monday, but 50 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: they felt it necessary, and the message that specifically Micah 51 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 2: Parsons and Tucker Craft drove home, I feel was really 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: important because, yeah, you hope everything gets settled. At the 53 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: time in which we're taping this, we still don't know 54 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: what's exactly happening with the head coach position, the rest 55 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: of the coaching staff, what the moves are going to 56 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: be for the paswers here moving forward. But Kraft talked 57 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: about in addition to the importance that Matt Lafleur has 58 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: and the job he's done here in Green Bay, but 59 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: also just the expectations he has for himself in this 60 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: football team. Micah Parson's talking about how he has just 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: attacked his rehab here in these opening weeks and the 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: motivation that he feels now wanting to be a leader 63 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: for this football team, wanting to be the player that 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: the Packers brought him in to be in, the player 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: that the city of Green Bay and the surrounding communities 66 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: have embraced him. As that was, I felt like that 67 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: final locker room sent a message. It sent a message 68 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: of hope, It sent a message of potential and also 69 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: a feeling everyone always talks about, Oh, you want to 70 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: move on and you don't want it to be like this, 71 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: and we're going to do better next year, and I'm 72 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: going to use this to feel meat. There was almost 73 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: a little bit more vigor. I feel like within that conversation. 74 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 1: I think that's why I used the word. I think 75 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: I used it on our last show, and I used 76 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: it in what I wrote. The word that I came 77 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: out of that final locker room with was resolve, because 78 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't just the as you said, It wasn't just 79 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: the kind of the the cliched overused lines of you know, yeah, 80 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use this to motivate me. Et Cetera said, 81 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that was all there. And the guys 82 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: who said that, I mean, are you know, are certainly genuine. 83 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: Everybody has their own personalities, but there was a different 84 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: feel to that in you know, and I'm not really 85 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: finding the right words for it right now, but I'm 86 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: just gonna say it. It was sort of like the 87 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: message from that locker room was, Yeah, this sucks, but 88 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: everything's gonna be okay. That's that's really what it felt like. 89 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: I mean, nobody was happy with how the season ended. 90 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Nobody was trying to, you know, to make that look 91 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: or feel any better than it was. But as far 92 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: as looking to the future, it's like, every everything's gonna 93 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: be all right like this, you know, things things will 94 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: be okay here and uh and yeah, there's going to 95 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: be there's going to be some some determination, some resolve 96 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: to to not be in that situation again and to 97 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: not be talking about a playoff game that you have 98 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: in your grasp that gets away, and then that's how 99 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: the season ends. So, as you said, at the time 100 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: that we're taping this, there hasn't really been any updates 101 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: as far as the coaching thing. All we know is 102 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: that the Packers are still working on a contract with 103 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, Jeff Hafley is out interviewing for jobs. We 104 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: even heard that DeMarcus Covington the defensive line coach has 105 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: been requested by the Cowboys for their defensive coordinator opening 106 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: after they moved on for Matt Eberflus. 107 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 3: So there's a lot. 108 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: There's still a lot going on, and I don't want 109 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: to get into all that because by the time this 110 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: actually posts and some people are listening to it watching 111 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: to it, all the news could potentially change. I do 112 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: have a handful of questions for you, though, that I'm 113 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: gonna throw at you, as far as this being our 114 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: season ending episode, and you can take this first one, 115 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: you can take it in any direction you want to. 116 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: But the question is what was your favorite moment from 117 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: the two season. 118 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: Everything surrounding the Detroit Lions game. It's probably also the 119 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: first time my glasses have ever been off on after 120 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: unscripted in ten seasons. I couldn't handle it anymore. Detroit 121 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: was so much fun. There were so many layers to 122 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 2: that game. Micah Parsons two and a half sacks, he 123 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: gets over the twelve sack mark on the season, so 124 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: that actually gave him that record of since nineteen eighty 125 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: two when it became an official statistic, the first player 126 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: in NFL history forty years over forty years of statistics. 127 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: First guy to have twelve plus sacks in each of 128 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: his first five seasons kind of laid the foundation for 129 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: that All Pro year. 130 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 3: But then the way that Jordan. 131 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: Loved Dontavian Wicks, the way that guys played down the stretch. 132 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: You and I felt that energy inside Ford Field. How 133 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: difficult it has become to play in Detroit, specifically on Thanksgiving, 134 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: a day that's always been the Lions holiday. But now 135 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: coming off the fifteen wins, coming off the NFC Championship appearances, 136 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: they're on a different level. Now, those fans are energized 137 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 2: to a different level. 138 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: And Hell's Bells on third down hits a little different 139 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: in that building than it did a few years ago, 140 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: doesn't It. 141 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: Sure does, especially in the second half of competitive football games. 142 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: So I felt like that was was amazing. You really 143 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: could pick out any moment from Micah Parsons season, even 144 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: the chase down sack of Jared Goff in the opener 145 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: against Detroit was a big moment. But I think when 146 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: we talk about the Packers making the playoffs, that was 147 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,559 Speaker 2: such an important day on Thanksgiving and for green Bay 148 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: to take the power back, and yes, there's going to 149 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: be a major rivalry now with Chicago would not surprise 150 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: me at all if they open against the Bears in 151 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. But I felt like the Packers being 152 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: able to avenge their recent losses to Detroit, being able 153 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: to win there and also win in the opener that 154 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: ultimately was what kind of set the tone for Green Bay. 155 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, those are those are some good choices for me. 156 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: And this is kind of odd, which is why I 157 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: gave maybe the opportunity to take it anyway, any which 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: way you wanted to. My favorite moment of the year, 159 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: of the season was turning on my phone after the 160 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: flight I was on landed in Washington, d C. Because 161 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: I was taking my daughter on a grad school perspective visit. 162 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: Turning my phone back on and seeing that the Packers 163 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: are traded for Micah Parsons. 164 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my least favorite moment because. 165 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were you were left here by your 166 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: lonesome to deal with it because I was gone for 167 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: a few days. But but one, there was so much 168 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: excitement about it, obviously, But the other thing is too 169 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: is it just took me back to and for those 170 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: who don't know the story, there is a in my 171 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: twenty seasons of covering this team. There is a long 172 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: list of major, major things that have happened when I 173 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: have been out of the office, when I've been out 174 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: of town, on vacation, whatever the case might be, and 175 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: all it Actually it goes back to the summer of 176 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight when I was at cub Scout 177 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: camp with my son and a message while I'm out 178 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: in a big field playing Capture the Flag with a 179 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: bunch of cub Scouts and a message comes on my BlackBerry, 180 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: I might add, which is what we had back then, 181 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: that Brett Favre had decided to apply for reinstatement with 182 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,599 Speaker 1: the Commissioner's Office and come out of retirement, which, of 183 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: course then just you know, set off everything. So this 184 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: whole thing of me always being gone when something big happens, 185 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: it started then. And it includes when the Packers signed 186 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: Julius Peppers in twenty fourteen and I was in Florida, 187 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: and when they traded DeVante Adams in twenty twenty one 188 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: and I was out of town, and there are a 189 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: whole bunch of other things in between. But anyway, like 190 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: that moment just brought me back to oh yeah, here 191 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: it is Packers are doing something huge and I'm not there. 192 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: I happen to be out of town again. 193 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: The weird thing about the Parsons, and obviously I say 194 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: this in Jess, I hope that doesn't get taken out 195 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: of context in terms of it was very exciting to 196 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: get Micah Parsons, although it was you know, was tough 197 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: that the lost Kenny in that trade. 198 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, for sure. 199 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: But what was funny about the Parsons One that I dude, 200 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: it's gonna go down as an all timer because Davante 201 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: there were a lot of rumblings to that point that 202 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: there might be a trade. You know, they're tagging them, 203 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: you know, possibly moving them. Maybe he wants to go 204 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: back to the Raiders, maybe he wants to go closer 205 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: to the West Coast. Obviously reunite with Derek Carr. And 206 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: while there were some rumblings about Micah, none of it 207 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: felt real. 208 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 209 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: I remember doing an interview with Matt Rammage a week 210 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: before the trade actually happened, and I'm like, it wasn't 211 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: that the Packers didn't want him. They obviously want him. 212 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: Everybody wants him, But how the Dallas Cowboys would let 213 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: him go a guy that he's not thirty two, he 214 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: doesn't have his best years beyond. The guy's twenty six 215 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: years old. He hasn't even signed his second contract yet. Right, 216 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: he's on this Hall of Fame trajectory? Are the Dallas 217 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: Cowboys really going to let him out of their grasp? 218 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: And it wasn't like there was a public bidding war. 219 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: It was the Packers might be interested. And the Packers 220 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: have traded for Micah Parsons. Yeah, And while you were 221 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: getting off the plane, I'm sitting there on the club 222 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: level of lambeau Field at a Mark Murphy Hall of 223 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: Fame press conference, and I will never forget that moment 224 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: where Market's done with his just opening statement and John 225 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 2: Miller from WGBA is behind me and goes, Mark, we 226 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: just received word here that the Packers have traded for 227 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: Micah Parsons. You know basically what your reaction is that? 228 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: And I'm sitting here staring at Mark, and I hear 229 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: John's voice in the back of my head, and I'm. 230 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: Like, this is not real, this is wild. 231 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: And Mark gave a good answer about, well, you know, 232 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: that's not my decision anymore, that's other people's, But that 233 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 2: that whole weekend was a fever dream. But I'll bring 234 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: it all around by saying this, Parsons ends up coming out. 235 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: He has an amazing press conference with everybody, and I 236 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: thought that also up until the last. 237 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: One of the season. 238 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: I mean just the the amount of discourse we had 239 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: with him. Yeah, and for him to be the player 240 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: that he ended up being for the Packers the season. 241 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 2: When you talk about the reasons for a bright spot here, 242 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: I think there are three staples. Honestly, I think there 243 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: are three staples right now with this football team, with 244 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 2: Jordan Love becoming the player that he's become, Micah Parsons 245 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: looks like one of, if not the best defensive all 246 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: around football player right now. And then, honestly, I really 247 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: do throw Tucker Craft into that. I wrote about an 248 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: insider Inbox today, the treck that he was on. He's 249 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,479 Speaker 2: on pace for a thousand yard season, double digit touchdowns. 250 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: He was bringing a dimension of this Packers offense that 251 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: I'd never seen before. I didn't cover, you know, Paul Kaufman, 252 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: so like to have all these type of things come 253 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: together a very solid foundation for the green Bait Packers. 254 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. I enjoyed just getting to know Micah Parsons a 255 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: little bit as a player and a person over the 256 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: course of the twelve plus thirteen games. However many it 257 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: was that he ended up playing, and I look forward 258 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: to more years with him in Green Bay. Question number two, 259 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: play of the year in your mind? 260 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: Oh, there's so many good ones here to pick from. 261 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: I can go first if you want to think a 262 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: little bit, Yeah, why don't you? Okay, had I had 263 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: two options here. One is right out of what you 264 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: said with regard to my last question Detroit on Thanksgiving, 265 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Dontavian Wicks catching that fourth down pass with his shoe 266 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: coming off and the whole thing to seal that game 267 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: in Detroit. I know both you and I were sitting 268 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: up there in the press box at Ford Field not 269 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: even thinking the Packers were actually going to snap the 270 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: ball that it was just kind of it was kind 271 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: of a ruse. And and okay, if they don't get 272 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: him to, you know, jump off sides, you take the 273 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: delay game, you punt the ball and and the defense 274 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: is gonna have to close it out. And then they 275 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: snapped the ball, and then Love gave Wix a chance 276 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: to make the play one on one against Brian branch 277 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: and he loses his shoe when he jumps up and 278 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: he makes the catch, and it was like, oh my gosh, 279 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: they just won the game. Like it was boom, like 280 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: there the game was over. So that's one. The other 281 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: one for me is Keishawn Nixon's interception to seal the 282 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: win against the Bears at lambeau Field. I never would 283 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: have thought in a million years that that was the 284 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: last victory we were going to write about and talk 285 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: about on the season, but that was a big moment 286 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: and it put the Packers in first place in the 287 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: NFC North and things were pointed in a certain direction. 288 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: And then the following week is obviously when Michael Parsons 289 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: went down with the injury and then everything changed for 290 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the season. But those are the ones 291 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: at the top of my list. 292 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, those are good picks. 293 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty much torn between two, and I'm 294 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: just sticking on offensive side of the football. 295 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: The Tucker Craft fifty. 296 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: Nine yard touchdown is always going to kind of stick 297 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: out to me a little bit, just because he was rumbling, bumbling, 298 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: stumbling to everybody, and I thought it really demonstrated just 299 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: the type of player he is and when he is 300 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: in the open field. How difficult he is the tackle. 301 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: He's almost like a running back out there, right. It's 302 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: not just like he catches the ball and he goes down. 303 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's going to make a play happen. Yeah, 304 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: And I wish I honestly, I would love to say 305 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: that the Romeo Dobbs one handed catch against Chicago, because 306 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: that was just I don't I still this day, don't 307 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: you know, days later, I don't know how rome caught that. 308 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: But obviously the phenomenal catch game. 309 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: And then the other one is just the leaping Christian 310 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: Watson catch in New York. That Christian Watson, to me, 311 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: that was the I'm. 312 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Hit one in the yeah, for the go ahead touchdown and. 313 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: He's double covered. He's six foot four and he's using 314 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: every single inch of his body to make that catch. 315 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,119 Speaker 2: I mean, Christian Watson. The ultimate tragedy of the twenty 316 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: twenty five Packer season is for the other than what 317 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: two quarters we did not get to see Christian Watson 318 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: and Tucker Craft on the field together. Yep, Tucker was 319 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: there the first eight, Christian was there for the last nine, 320 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: and it just or last ten and it just you 321 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: know you would have loved to see them all together. 322 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: But in New York Wild game, you know, Jordan JAMS's 323 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: shoulder and you know Malik does some crazy stuff, I mean, 324 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: just weird stuff happened all over it and it ends 325 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: up being a down to the wire football game with 326 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: the team that ultimately ended up, you know, being right 327 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: up at the top here for the number one pick. 328 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, because Jameis Winston kept throwing the ball to 329 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: the Packers and the defenders couldn't catch it until Evan 330 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: Williams finally caught the one at the end in the 331 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: end zone to get the I N T for the win. 332 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: In Green Bay finally ended up seeing the door. But 333 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: the Christian Watson one. I just think, when I think 334 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: of the most beautiful plays, if that if that's going 335 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: to be like the litmus test I use for my 336 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: favorite play of the year. That was just that's something 337 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: you'd put on a poster, the way that that play unfolding. 338 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: All right, I got two more for you, all right, 339 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: one word to describe this season when you reflect on it. 340 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good one, Michael. 341 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: And I can go first again because I'm the one 342 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: who got to prepare for this and I'm throwing I'm 343 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: putting you on the spot. 344 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: No, but you gave me, you gave me some breath 345 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: on the last one. I'm trying to think of something 346 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: that's not overly emotional but also somewhat honest, well, definitely honest, 347 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: but somewhat apropos of where things were. I think the 348 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: word I would use is close in both variants of 349 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: the word right, where they were so close in so 350 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: many instances to being I think the team that we 351 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 2: all were talking about the first two weeks of the 352 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: season right, and even with all the injuries that they 353 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: dealt with, the Packers still didn't. With a few exceptions, 354 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: maybe two exceptions where they really truly just got beat. 355 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: There wasn't those type of performances. Everything was close. And 356 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: obviously the finish piece comes back to that. It's been 357 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 2: the buzzword all week long, need to finish more. I 358 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: somewhat laugh at it because the conversation down in Chicago 359 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: all week is they need to start faster, and Green 360 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: Bay is talking about need to finish more. But ultimately, 361 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: if you have those two things, it is going to 362 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: come back to how do you finish football games? And 363 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: for the Packers to be as good as they were 364 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: this season, as talented they were, and Mike the trade happens, 365 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: and obviously he goes down, Craft goes down. Why it 366 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: goes down, Elton goes down. All these guys go out 367 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: with some pretty big injuries. It just never quite ended 368 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: up being the season I think all of us thought 369 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: that it could be. 370 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 3: And this is what happens. 371 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: This is how in the National Football League when there's 372 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: thirty one teams and thirty two teams. Excuse me, there's 373 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: that much parody, but there's thirty one that are going 374 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: to ultimately be dissatisfied at the end of the season. 375 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 2: It's in those narrow margins. And there's eight teams at 376 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: the time in which we're taping this that still have 377 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: a shot at it, and the Packers are on the 378 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: other side of the twenty four. Yeah. 379 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: And my word is it's similar to yours. But the 380 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: word that keeps coming to mind for me is the 381 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: word tease. And I mean that both there's a negative 382 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: connotation and a positive connotation to it. On the kind 383 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: of the negative side of things, it's that we saw 384 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: so many moments of how good this Packers team could 385 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: be whether you're talking, you know, having a nine point 386 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: lead in the third quarter against the team that is 387 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: sitting as the number one seed in the AFC, and 388 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: how well the pass were playing in that game up 389 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: until that point on the road, tough place to play, 390 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: really good team, one of the best teams in the league. 391 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: And you throw in the performance in Detroit on Thanksgiving, 392 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: the performance on the road at Pittsburgh under the lights, 393 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: you know, a primetime game, and obviously the way the 394 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: Packers for large stretches of both of those games in 395 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: Chicago played so well and dominated the NFC North Champs. 396 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: But the inability to finish off enough of those games 397 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: and to put themselves in the position where we all 398 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: felt they should have been it just it, you know, 399 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: it just it felt like it felt like a tease. Now, 400 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: the positive connotation of that is, I think it also teases, 401 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: going back to our earlier conversation in this very episode, 402 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: it also teases that there's a lot of pretty good 403 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: stuff in place for this team moving forward and that that, yeah, 404 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: there are gonna be some changes in this and that 405 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: I mean, nothing is ever the same, but everything's going 406 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: to be all right, and uh, and this team is 407 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: going to come back and be in a pretty good 408 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: spot and and you know, some of these things that 409 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: we saw in twenty twenty five, I think we're going 410 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: to see some of the get that again in twenty 411 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: twenty six, and can the Packers go from being close 412 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: to being there to being where they want to be. 413 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: So that's, uh, that's sort of how I look at 414 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: it if I were to, you know, try to encapsulate 415 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: it in one word. 416 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like how you laid that out, Mike, and 417 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: you obviously had to edit my inbox. And one of 418 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 2: the things I raised in that is, I think one 419 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: of the hardest parts to swallow about the Packers, you know, 420 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 2: number seven seed knockoff, you know, Dallas, number seven seed 421 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 2: lose to Philly, Number seven seed lose to Chicago is 422 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: the fact that the reason the Green Bay was even 423 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: in that conversation to begin with was the fact that 424 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: that twenty two draft class, in those in the twenty 425 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: three draft class just completely shot jet fuel into whatever 426 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: you want to call rebuild or whatever, reloading after the 427 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers era. 428 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: The whole transition, the. 429 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: Whole transition, and you don't get draft classes where you 430 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 2: find three starting offensive linemen in the same class actually 431 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: last year. This also shows you just how different this 432 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: season was. Last year was the first time since what 433 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: the merger, I believe it was that the Packers had 434 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: an offensive line that consisted of three guys who started 435 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 2: every game that were all from the same class. That 436 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: had never happened before with Rashid Walker, with Zach tom In, 437 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: with Sean Ryan. This year, different story. Romeo Dobbs after 438 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: the game, we're talking to him and very you know, 439 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 2: reflecting on what he'd been through and the fact that 440 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: he is an unrestricted free agent. This could be the 441 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: end for him in Green Bay as he gets a 442 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: new opportunity and gets a chance to finally you don't 443 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: get that big paycheck everybody talks about. And he's a 444 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: kid from la that you know, played at Nevada that 445 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: never thought he'd end up in Green Bay and then 446 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: he ended up being a contributor for four seasons. Here 447 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 2: and Christian Watson reflecting on how the time they spent 448 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: together at the combine, you know, at the Senior and 449 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: that group was so tight and one of the tragedies 450 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: of it is that they weren't able to take that 451 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: the entire group wasn't able to take the next step. 452 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: Watson will get a chance, maybe some other guys will 453 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 2: get the opportunity z act Tom obviously, but the whole 454 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: group that really contributed to Green Bay being in the conversation, 455 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: being an eleven win team again, not being able to 456 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: get to the NFC Title Game, not being able to 457 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: get to Super Bowl again. So it'd be very interesting 458 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: to see now next year, with this twenty three draft 459 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 2: class and its final year together, so many great players 460 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: out of that class, seeing if they can finally launch 461 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: it forward. 462 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Last one for you? Favorite story you 463 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: wrote this year? 464 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 2: Uh? 465 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: Season? 466 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 2: Oh? Good one. That's a really good one. Is it 467 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: in the regular season, Michael? Or is it twenty twenty five? 468 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: Any any at any point? At any point? 469 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: It's the Baron Surrel one then, because I just think 470 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: it doesn't get any better than that in sports. Is 471 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 2: such a unique story you and I. You could do 472 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: this for another two twenty five years. I'm sure you 473 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: want to. I could do this for another ten. I'm 474 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: not going to write another story like that. I don't 475 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 2: think there'll be another story like that. The fact that 476 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: this young man from Texas comes up here at the 477 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: draft just decides, Hey, you know what, I want to 478 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: be there, And then that clip of Brian Goodikun's drafting 479 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: him being like, wait, he's here when he comes out 480 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: on the stage. 481 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, And then getting a chance to get to. 482 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: Know his mom, you know, Selena, and just talking to 483 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: some of these people that know him so well, unbelievable 484 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: to see him. And then at the end of the 485 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: year gets some opportunities and really take advantage of them. 486 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: I think Baron strel is gonna be a real player 487 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: for this defense. So learning his life story and who 488 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: he's all about, it made it so much more clear 489 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: how this guy ended up in Green Bay, not only 490 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: literally but figuratively too, you know, him and his family 491 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: coming up here and being a part of the draft 492 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: process and waiting until day three and the fourth round 493 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: to get taken made a memory for himself. And now 494 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: it looks like for the Packers have an edge rusher 495 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: here to really develop. 496 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. For me again, I've got a couple. So I 497 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: cheat because I give multiple answers. As far as as 498 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: far as game coverage, my favorite story as most of 499 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: the regulars to our website, No, after every game I 500 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: write the game recap which is the five takeaways from 501 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: the game, and then I write Rapid Reaction, which is 502 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: sort of like a column or an editorial type of 503 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: thing on just what I'm feeling like and what I'm hearing, 504 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, processing after a game. And the rapid Reaction 505 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: that I wrote after the Thanksgiving game in Detroit was 506 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: my favorite one of the entire season, because not only 507 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: is it okay, We're on the bus and on the 508 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: plane and I'm looking forward to getting a home and 509 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: there's going to be this big Thanksgiving meal that my 510 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: family is prepared and they're waiting for me to get 511 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: home and all that, and that was all really exciting. 512 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: But to be able to focus that entire column on 513 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: the Packers were converting these fourth downs, they were stopping 514 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell on his fourth downs, and just how you know, 515 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: it was this whole flip of the script the Tide 516 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: compared to the previous games, the previous year's games against Detroit, 517 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: when those things would go the other way. And how 518 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: thinking back to how the clutch fourth down completion to 519 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: Tucker Craft and Arizona kind of set the stage for 520 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: these big fourth downs in Detroit, but he didn't have 521 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: Tucker Craft in Detroit, So it was Romeo Dobbs and 522 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: it was Dontavian Wicks and and so that one was 523 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: just all the circumstances surrounding it and the fact that 524 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: it was Detroit and Dan Campbell and the defense was 525 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: stopping them on fourth downs. That was a really fun 526 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: one to write. And then the other one was actually 527 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: one that I wrote very much towards the end of 528 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: the season, and it was kind of the farewell and 529 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: the tribute to doctor McKenzie, doctor Pat McKenzie, who is 530 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: officially retiring. He had already shifted into kind of a 531 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: consultant role as the Packers are making a transition to 532 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: doctor Michael Ryan. He will be the new full time 533 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: team physician now for the Packers. But I got a 534 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: chance to sit down and I have obviously Doc mackenzie 535 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: has has been here almost twice as long as I have, 536 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: so I I have known him since kind of like 537 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: the day I got here, and he's been here the 538 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: entire time. And for this story that I wrote, I 539 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: got a chance to sit down for about a half 540 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: an hour and talk to him just about his career 541 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: and how, you know, how did he establish trust amongst 542 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: the players and the agents, and and and the coaches, 543 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: and how did he navigate all these relationships and and 544 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: do his job? And I was absolutely just fascinated, blown 545 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: away by everything that went into a guy who's whose 546 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: reputation precedes him, you know, not only just in the 547 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: Green Bay medical community, but the NFL medical community at large. 548 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: And I could have written five thousand words on Doc mackenzie, 549 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: and I condensed it down to about. 550 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: A thousand just it was me. 551 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 1: I probably would have just so that it would be 552 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: digestible for the readership out there. But that one, that 553 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: one definitely was is a memorable one that I'll take 554 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: with me for a long time. 555 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, it was a great piece and obviously getting 556 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: a just not even just Doc's perspective on it, but 557 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: also you know with Brian Ingele and some of his comments. 558 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: Obviously Aaron and Rogers and you know what their relationship 559 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 2: was like, they amount of trust that Aaron had in him. 560 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: They navigated those two collar bones together, Yeah, which was 561 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 2: not easy. Do you remember remember that conversation thirteen seventeen 562 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: was something different because Packers announced right away Rogers broke 563 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: his collar bone. He may miss the rest of the season. 564 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: We'll see. Yeah, But the. 565 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 2: First time it was about a two and a half 566 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 2: month stretch of just like every single week, we're asking. 567 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: I was still at the newspaper at the time, pres Cozette, 568 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 2: and we're asking, Okay, what's the update and is there 569 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 2: gonna be another scan We're and I'm learning about ink 570 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: die and how that goes into your bones and shows 571 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: where the stress is or where the fractures are. And 572 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 2: kudos the mackenzie man. Rogers has talked about this numerous 573 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: times after the fact. He wanted to make sure that 574 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 2: Aaron was right. First. If they win, they win, and 575 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 2: if he gets back, he gets back. But he had 576 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 2: to make sure that there wasn't going to be a 577 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: risk there for him. And obviously airing on the high 578 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 2: side of caution is not easy. But when you have 579 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: principles that you're guided by, I think it shows that. 580 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, when when a doctor, when a doctor looks at 581 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,479 Speaker 1: when a team doctor looks at a player as a 582 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: patient and not a player, you know, then you make 583 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: the right decision for the patient. And that's how That's 584 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: how Doc McKenzie went about it. As frustrating as that 585 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: might be sometimes to the player, to the coaches because 586 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: they want the guy wants to get out there. The 587 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: coaches want their guy out there. But to Doc McKenzie, 588 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't just a player on the team, it was 589 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: a patient. He was going to make sure that that 590 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: patient was taken care of and was not going to 591 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: be at any undue risk. But anyway, a tremendous career 592 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: from Doc McKenzie and attribute an a farewell there. If 593 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: you didn't get a chance to check it out. It 594 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: is on Packers dot com a couple other things. I 595 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: want to get to here west before we go, but 596 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: we do need to pay some bills, so let's hear 597 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: a word from our responseers. Serious XMNFL Radio delivers hard 598 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: hitting analysis and up to the minute NFL news that 599 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: true football fanatics need. 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Learn more about 609 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: all the wonders of Wisconsin at Travel Wisconsin dot com 610 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: slash Wonders. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. All right, Wes, 611 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: last thing before we go divisional playoff weekend in the NFL. 612 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: I'll rattle off all four matchups here to you. On Saturday. 613 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: We've got Buffalo at n for San Francisco at Seattle. 614 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: On Sunday, Houston at New England, the La Rams at 615 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. You just tell me what you want 616 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: to talk about, what you think with regard to any 617 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: of these matchups, or if you want to throw out 618 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: any predictions. I'm open to those two. 619 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 620 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: Actually, it's funny. I have a rooting interest. I feel 621 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: like in all, well, three of the games, four of them. 622 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: Kind of sort of a stretch. This is Marcedes Lewis's 623 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: last season twenty years. 624 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: He's out. 625 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: I think still forty one. I think he turns forty two. Yeah, 626 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: I think he's forty two in may so. Sadies I 627 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: think presently is on the practice squad for the Denver Broncos. 628 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: But probably more than anybody, I'm pulling for the Broncos 629 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: the rest of the way. Okay, not the easiest thing 630 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: to say, considering some of the things about the Broncos team, 631 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 2: but I love Sadies. I would love nothing more than 632 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: to see him get a chance to be in a 633 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, to win a ring. That would be an ultimate, 634 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: ultimate ending to a career that I don't think we'll 635 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: ever see again. 636 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: In the National Football League, the. 637 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 2: New England Patriots, they're basically their personnels are general manager, 638 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: whatever title you use is Elliott Wolf, the you know, 639 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: the son of Ron Wolf, also a guy that you 640 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: and I worked with here. I love the fact that 641 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: he turned them around, helped turn them around as quickly 642 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: as they did. They obviously knocked the higher out of 643 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: the park this year with Mike vrabel. I have nothing 644 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: against Houston, you know, fine football team, but it'd be 645 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: cool also to see New England with Elliott at the. 646 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: Helm take control. 647 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: DeVante adams comments this week, not only do they reflect 648 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: his feelings on Green Bay. You know, once a packer, 649 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: always a packer, but this is there is a reason 650 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: why DeVante Adams won our Stand Up Guy Award three times, 651 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: something that nobody else has done yet in Green Bay. 652 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: It's the way he carries himself. It's the professional that 653 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 2: he is on the field, and just the dude as 654 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: a person. And yeah, people are going to talk about 655 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: the Bears and Ben Jonson nerves. I don't care about 656 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: any of that. I just want to see DeVante make 657 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl yep. And so I think for me personally, 658 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: the team on the NFC side of things I'm rooting 659 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: for this weekend. Rooting for the rest of the way 660 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: is the Los Angeles Rams to see Tay and Mercedes 661 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: over on the AFC side of things, if those two, 662 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: if it could be a Denver LA Super Bowl, I'd 663 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: be pleased. Pie And then lastly, Packer fans will probably 664 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 2: hate me for this, but I wouldn't mind seeing Kyle 665 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: Shanahan also get over the top here. This is a 666 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: guy that has been an innovator in the National Football League. 667 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: You look at his tree, It's like none other, even 668 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: the teams that have won Super Bowl. So nobody has 669 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: a tree like Kyle Shanahan right now in the NFL 670 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: so basically there's four games. I have four rooting interests 671 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: in all those games. But if you ask me right 672 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: now weeks out, if Denver or Los Angeles walked away 673 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: with the Super Bowl trophy, I'd be Lombardi Trophy. 674 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 3: I'd be happy. 675 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm all in with you on DeVante Adams, for sure. 676 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: I think that's not I think that's an obvious one, 677 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: and not just because the Rams are playing the Bears 678 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: and I have absolutely no interest in seeing the Bears 679 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: get any further this season. I do think I was 680 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: thinking about this, and this is nothing against Houston, who 681 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: has a tremendous defense and New England, who I couldn't 682 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 1: be more impressed with Drake May at quarterback as a 683 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: young rising star in this league and what's going on there. 684 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: But I just have a feeling that the winner of 685 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Denver game is going to the Super Bowl. 686 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel that. 687 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: Because I think if Denver is able to beat if 688 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: Denver is able to win that game, and then they'll 689 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: be hosting the AFC Championship. We had talked about how 690 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: Denver has its flaws, but playing at home, that's going 691 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: to be a very tough place for anybody to come 692 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: in and beat them, and it's going to be tough 693 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: for Buffalo to do it on Saturday. But I also 694 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: feel like with Josh Allen getting his first road playoff 695 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: victory last week in Jacksonville, now he's on the road 696 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: and you would be on the road again if they 697 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: were to beat the Broncos, they'd be going on the 698 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: road in the AFC Championship. But if Josh Allen gets 699 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: past this one on and has back to back road 700 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: wins in the playoffs under his belt, I think he 701 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: goes in. He could go into either Houston or New 702 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: England and and win and get there. And it's interesting because, 703 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, huge opportunity for Alan when Lamar Jackson, Patrick 704 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: Mahomes and Joe Burrow are all out of the playoffs 705 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: and not in this thing. And some people are going 706 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: to say, you know that, some people are going to 707 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: say that that would that would taint it somehow if 708 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: Alan is able to get there. But just remember in 709 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: the regular season he beat all three of those quarterbacks. 710 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: So the fact that he won all three of those 711 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: games is part of the reason they weren't in the 712 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: playoffs to challenge him. Right now, So I have. I 713 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of affinity for Buffalo, not only having 714 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: watched them in my college years lose the four consecutive 715 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: Super Bowls and and you know, and what that fan 716 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: base went through. But then also my son went to 717 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: graduate school out in Buffalo, and so they've sort of 718 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: become my second, like adopted team, and I enjoy I 719 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: enjoy cheering for Josh. He's a fun player to watch 720 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: and I'll definitely be pulling for him in the NFC. 721 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: I think the San Francisco Seattle game is I think 722 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: it's going to be a little more competitive than it 723 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: was a couple of weeks ago. But I'm telling you, 724 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: the Niners kind of got screwed here because they are 725 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: playing on a short week for like the third time 726 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: in their last four games. They ended the regular season 727 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: with back to back short weeks where they had to 728 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: go from the Monday night against Indy to then the 729 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: Sunday game against the Bears, and then they went from 730 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: the Sunday game against the Bears to the Saturday game 731 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: against the Seahawks, and then now here they are in 732 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: the second round of the playoffs, and they got stuck 733 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: with a short week again where Sunday night, they're flying 734 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: back home from Philadelphia, all the way across the country, 735 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: and then they get stuck on Saturday night. So on 736 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: Friday they're hopping on a plane again to go up 737 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: to Seattle and play their division route for a third time. 738 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: I think this is a just a huge challenge, a 739 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: huge task for the forty nine ers, and the fact 740 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: that now, amongst all their other injuries, they don't have 741 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: George Kittle, So I think things definitely lean towards Seattle. 742 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: But man, if Kyle Shanahan, if they're able to pull 743 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: this one off, there's definitely no stopping them. Like if 744 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: San Francisco wins this game, they're going back to the 745 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and Shanahan's going to get a chance. It 746 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: does going to get a chance to win one. 747 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 2: It feels kind of like if Green Bay would knock 748 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 2: off Atlanta here right in twenty ten. Yeah, Like it 749 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 2: feels like that type of game. If you can find 750 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 2: an answer for that defense after you struggled against it 751 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 2: two weeks ago, Yeah, be a be a big difference. 752 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. 753 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: How far it'd be, by the way, not to jump over you, 754 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 2: but how funny it would be By the way, if 755 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 2: Denver actually does go to the Super Bowl, like you say, 756 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 2: ten years after the fact that their defense drove them there. Yeah, right, 757 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: And I would say that bo Nicks has been more 758 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 2: effective than what Peyton Manning and brock Osweiler were in 759 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. Yeah, but he's the compliment to what they're 760 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 2: doing defensively, right, what they're doing offensively compliments how like 761 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 2: much they've had everybody in a stranglehold defensively. Yeah, if 762 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 2: they would go back with this really high octane pass 763 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 2: rush and everything they do, that that would be very 764 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: apropos ten years after the fact that they kind of 765 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 2: rode that. 766 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 3: To a Super Bowl fifty title. 767 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's a It's some it's some fascinating matchups, 768 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: and we may in both instances in both conferences. And 769 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: it's interesting considering that the Packers season ended in a 770 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: Round three against a division rival. We I mean, we 771 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: could get Buffalo, New England. That would be a Round 772 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: three for the AFC East. And if the Rams the 773 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: Rams beat the Bears, no matter who wins the other game, 774 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: you're getting a Round three of the of the NFC West. 775 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: And I mean, hats off to the NFC West. They 776 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: got three teams in the playoffs and they're three of 777 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: the last four standing in the NFC. That those those 778 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: are some real quality clubs and they've and they've proven 779 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: it regardless of what happens. 780 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 2: Is Yeah, and Couda's of them too. I mean they 781 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 2: get beat up. They're beating up on each other, especially 782 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 2: down the stretch in December. And then you had both, 783 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: you know, the forty nine ers and the Rams come 784 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 2: out on top on road games in the first round 785 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 2: of the playoffs and the wildcard round, and see if 786 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 2: they keep riding that wave of momentum. 787 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 3: Now it was Super. 788 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: Bowl, absolutely well, it should be a fun weekend of football, 789 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: even though the Packers are not in it. I'm gonna 790 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: sit back and enjoy watching it. Instead of a laptop 791 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: in front of me, I'm gonna have some beers in 792 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: front of me. 793 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 3: They go, I might have a brisk iced tea. We'll see. Uh. 794 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 3: Curtain call for the studio too, BROV. 795 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: That's right, I forgot all about that yet. 796 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 2: Unbelievable job that our broadcast apartment. Craig Schielbauer, Adam Holbeheinrich, 797 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 2: their crew, Mike Vanderschnik got a rest his soul. All 798 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 2: those guys had their fingerprints over this place. This is 799 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 2: a fun place to do the podcast all those years. 800 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it has been a lot of fun. We will 801 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 1: be moving it's actually geographically not that far from here 802 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: in the building, but we will be moving to a 803 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: new studio for next season. We're gonna have a whole different, 804 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: whole new podcast set up and everything. Kind of excited 805 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: to see what that's going to look like. But yeah, 806 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 1: this is uh, this is it for this one with 807 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: our two little round tables and the big. 808 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 2: Remember when we behind us, Remember when we started this 809 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: whole thing with. 810 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 3: That Yeah, what is this table? 811 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: This is season ten? 812 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 2: Right? 813 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: Is pas unscripted? We're wrapping up season ten here. 814 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: In our first uh what was it the first four 815 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 2: seasons we're in the corner with that metal table. You 816 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 2: and I are basically shoulder to shoulder, breathing a lot 817 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 2: of the same air. And then they stretched us out 818 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 2: a little bit here, and slowly but surely we're making progress. 819 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: We're looking more and more professional. It's only taken ten 820 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:32,919 Speaker 2: years to get us there. 821 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, now we're gonna have a whole new look for 822 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: for season eleven. But you'll have that to look forward to. 823 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: And for now, we have to call it a wrap 824 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: on this edition and this season of Packers Unscripted. Be 825 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: sure to continue. We continue following all of our coverage 826 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: of the team on Packers dot com. And I would 827 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: just like to send a huge thank you. I know 828 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: I say at the end of every episode, thank you 829 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: for tuning in everybody, but sincerely, thank you for tuning 830 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,439 Speaker 1: in everybody, because we wouldn't do this if we didn't 831 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: have an audience or a paycheck that too, and we 832 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: really do appreciate everybody who tunes in and sends us comments. 833 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: And you know, whether it's the podcast or the video version, 834 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: whatever you prefer, we appreciate your patronage. So with that, 835 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: for Wes, I and Mike, thank you for tuning in everybody. 836 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.