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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in our number two Clay

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Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out.

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Speaker 1: With us as we are rolling through the Wednesday edition

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Speaker 1: of the program. Woke up this morning buck Wall Street

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Speaker 1: Journal front page. Actually I saw it last night, released

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Speaker 1: on social media before I went to bed, but it's

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Speaker 1: on the front page of the.

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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal this morning, old man style.

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Speaker 1: As I drank my Crocket coffee, I was reading the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal front page and it said if the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four general election for president was held today,

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Speaker 1: for whom would you vote?

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Speaker 2: That is the question.

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Speaker 1: Trump leads head to head in six of the seven

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Speaker 1: battleground states. Here are the Wall Street Journal numbers. In Arizona,

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Speaker 1: Trump's up five. In Michigan, Trump is up three. In Nevada,

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Speaker 1: Trump is up four. In Georgia, Trump is up one.

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Speaker 1: For a moment, I think that one's actually low. I

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Speaker 1: think Trump's up more than one. North Carolina, Trump's up six. Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: Trump is up three. Wisconsin dead even tied at forty six. Now,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things that may raise eyebrowser make people

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Speaker 1: a bit nervous. The Wall Street Journal poll of the

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Speaker 1: battleground statesbuck reflected what you and I have been saying,

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Speaker 1: which is RFK Junior on the ballot hurts Trump more

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Speaker 1: than it hurts Biden. Now, the totality of the third

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Speaker 1: party candidates, if you include Jill Stein, Libertarian Carnel West,

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Speaker 1: Biden is hurt more in that plurality, that totality of candidacy.

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Speaker 1: But just if it were Trump, Biden and RFK Junior,

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior, while he pulls from both, is pulling more

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Speaker 1: from Republicans than he is from Democrats. And in the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal poll, seventy five percent of Republicans had

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Speaker 1: a favorable view of RFK Junior, just twenty five percent

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Speaker 1: of Democrats had a favorable view of him. So do

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Speaker 1: you buy the poll? As we sit here basically seven

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Speaker 1: months from election day.

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Speaker 2: Important to remember.

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Speaker 1: Not only does Biden have to win basically all these

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Speaker 1: states as he did other than North Carolina in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: he has to win the national popular vote, probably by

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Speaker 1: three or four points, because these toss up states are

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Speaker 1: even closer than the nation would be. And before I

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Speaker 1: ask you, your opinion. Let me also give you doctor

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Speaker 1: doctor Joe Biden's opinion. This morning on CBS, she said

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Speaker 1: the polls aren't real Biden, her husband is actually winning.

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Speaker 1: Listen when these polls like the Washington Journal one land

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Speaker 1: in the White House and he's losing all the battleground states.

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Speaker 3: No, he's not losing in all the battles. He's coming

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Speaker 3: up and he's even or doing better. So you know what,

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Speaker 3: once people start to focus in and they see their

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Speaker 3: two choices, it's obvious that Joe will win.

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Speaker 2: This selections, right, So I think she's obvious. Well play.

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Speaker 4: She's a doctor, so yes, doctor's orders, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, better better watch out. But she's referring I

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Speaker 4: think here. First of all, as we've disc gott we've

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Speaker 4: decided and discussed many times before. If you're saying the

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Speaker 4: polls are fake because you're losing, right, I mean, especially

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Speaker 4: as a Democrat, no one ever argues the polls are

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Speaker 4: wrong when they're in the lead. Yeah, no one's ever

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Speaker 4: like I'm a head ten points. These polls are trash.

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Speaker 4: So they're losing. They know they're losing. There's no question

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Speaker 4: right now they're losing. But the election is as we

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Speaker 4: know many months away. This Wall Street Journal piece very interesting.

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Speaker 4: A quarter of voters undecided or back third party candidates.

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Speaker 4: That's what really is the meat of the issue here.

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Speaker 4: That's what really gets to the center of it. That

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Speaker 4: there are people who are persuadable. It's not just like

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Speaker 4: you can show up with your locked in Democrat voters

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Speaker 4: with your locked in Republican voters as Trump or your

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Speaker 4: this is why there's such a focus on the third

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Speaker 4: party issue. I think everyone should prepare themselves also for

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Speaker 4: what for Biden to do the following hit Trump with

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Speaker 4: everything that he can, And by Biden, I mean the

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Speaker 4: to attack Trump on threat to democracy. They're going to

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Speaker 4: attack Trump on and Republicans more broadly, it's not really

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Speaker 4: of issues they're going to try to present Biden as

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Speaker 4: a moderate alternative to the chaos. Now, they're not going

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Speaker 4: to say he's a un That won't work. Clearly, he's

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Speaker 4: not uniting the country. It's as divided, if not more.

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Speaker 4: I think you argue it's more divided than it was

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Speaker 4: of these people who are undecided, they were decided before.

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Speaker 4: I think they're undecided this time because of what a

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Speaker 4: mess things feel like. But I think Clay, you'll see

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Speaker 4: a lot of efforts to portray Biden as a stable,

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Speaker 4: That's how they'll try to shape it. It'll be policy specific,

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Speaker 4: though we've already seen this. On immigration, five part is

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Speaker 4: an immigration bill.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: On the economy, Biden is going to be pointing to

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Speaker 4: the stock market being high. He's going to say unemployments low.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna talk a lot about the middle class. He'll

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Speaker 4: probably they'll probably start talking about healthcare at some point too,

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Speaker 4: just because that is of high interest to voters. I

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Speaker 4: think he's going to try to present himself as a model,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. He's going to try to

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Speaker 4: present himself as a moderate after four years of Obama

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Speaker 4: I would even argue somebody's more progressive. What he did

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Speaker 4: on the vaccines and on COVID mandates was certainly more

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Speaker 4: egregious in its progressive left wing authoritarianism. But Biden the moderate,

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Speaker 4: that's what they're going to try to pull off here

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Speaker 4: in the face of all these Trump salvos that are

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Speaker 1: Here are four key takeaways from this Wall Street Journal polling.

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Speaker 1: First of all, that Wall Street Journal continues to reflect

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Speaker 1: that Biden is hemorrhaging support among black and Hispanic voters,

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Speaker 1: in particular. Younger voters also not enamored of Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: But I thought these four were interesting between Trump and Biden. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is the Wall Street Journal poll. Who is best

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Speaker 1: able to handle each of the following The economy Trump

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Speaker 1: The only one of these key four issues that is

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Speaker 1: in favor of Biden. Abortion Biden plus twelve. Now this

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Speaker 1: referendum on whether what the abortion law was going to

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Speaker 1: They announced Tuesday, activists did that they've exceeded the signature

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Speaker 1: in November.

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Speaker 2: I think what you're going to.

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Speaker 1: See is Biden goes all in on abortion and tries

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Speaker 1: to get these referendums in as many different states as

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, they're going to try to run

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Speaker 1: him as a moderate, but moreover, they're really going to

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Speaker 1: just try to hit Trump on that he can't be trusted,

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Speaker 1: the same thing that they did in twenty because democracies

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Speaker 2: To me, that's really all democrats have.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think that the GOP has figured out

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Speaker 4: yet what the real response to this is going to be,

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Speaker 4: especially on the abortion issue. As I said, it's not

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Speaker 4: as simple as Trump's going to say. I think I

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Speaker 4: think there should be a ban after sixteen weeks, a

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Speaker 4: federal ban after sixteen weeks, because that actually runs a

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Speaker 4: foul of what was decided with the overturning of Roe v.

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Speaker 4: which was that there's just not any basis in the

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Speaker 4: Constitution for a federal right to abortion right that so

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Speaker 4: we got past that. I don't think the next step

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Speaker 4: then you're just going to have a constant, you know,

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Speaker 4: re litigation of an issue that really, honestly, we can

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Speaker 4: see from a political standpoint, put aside the morality of

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Speaker 4: it for a second. From a political standpoint, it should

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Speaker 4: be decided at the state level. Should be a more

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Speaker 4: much dealt with out of state. You know, you look

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Speaker 4: at all kinds of different you know, criminal infractions. Here's one.

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Speaker 4: I could go outside my house right now, Clay with

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Speaker 4: a handgun or with my you know, well, yeah, it

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Speaker 4: couldn't be a rifle because you can't open carry here.

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Speaker 4: I could go outside concealed cary with a handgun. I

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Speaker 4: have no there's no necessary license for it here in Florida.

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Speaker 4: And I'm a law abiding, good American citizen who's obeying

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Speaker 4: his Second Amendment rights. If I did that in New

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Speaker 4: two four or you know, seven years in prison or something.

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Speaker 4: It's insane, right, same country, very different treatment. In states,

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Speaker 4: we deal with this on a whole range of issues.

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Speaker 4: It should be a state's rights issue. Because if you have,

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Speaker 4: if you have Trump come out and say aff you

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Speaker 4: will concede that that's possible. That Trump's saying he's for

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Speaker 4: a four month ban, you know, beyond four months or whatever,

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Speaker 4: beyond sixteen weeks. But the pro life movement is going

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Speaker 4: to say, well, now we have two pro choice presidents

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Speaker 2: Maybe not. I can't. This has never been run before.

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Speaker 4: There's no data to support this, but that I think

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Speaker 4: is the concern with it.

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Speaker 2: And also, sorry I'm running along here. I meant to

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Speaker 2: give it back to you just real quick.

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Speaker 4: The nine month abortions that they want, and see it's

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Speaker 4: like Colorado.

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Speaker 2: Where is that on the where is.

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Speaker 4: The should abortion be legal for all nine months of

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Speaker 4: a pregnancy referendum? Because as a political matter, I was

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Speaker 4: talking to my thesis advisor Hadley Arcus about this recently.

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Speaker 2: It's important.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right on this, and this is the

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Speaker 1: way that I would advise Trump if I were telling

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Speaker 1: him how to handle this. He's already come out and

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Speaker 1: said he thinks six weeks is wrong. He said that

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Speaker 1: about DeSantis. The DeSantis the Trump team was actually surprised

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Speaker 1: DeSantis didn't hit him harder on that in Iowa because Trump,

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Speaker 1: for most of his time has said, hey, I'll figure out,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what my official policy.

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Speaker 2: Is, and I think he's going to do it in

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Speaker 1: I think the way you handle this, and everybody has

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Speaker 1: their own personal opinions, but I think you say, what,

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Speaker 1: how you advise Trump on this? House I would advise

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Speaker 1: Trump to handle this. Yes, how I would advise Trump

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Speaker 1: to handle this is to say, hey, everybody can have

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Speaker 1: everybody has different opinions on this issue. What I and

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking as if I were Trump, what I consider

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Speaker 1: to be radical is a nine month abortion, third trimester

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Speaker 1: abortion that is now standard Democrat operating procedure. When Bill

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Speaker 1: policy now, they believe in nine month abortions. I think

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Speaker 1: But before we get into serious questions, I actually wonder

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Speaker 5: I haven't, But I have a very good excuse for

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Speaker 4: Oh this is this, Now you're entering my world. Here,

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Speaker 5: this is the eighties and not the nineties. It might

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Speaker 1: You just won bucks vote for anything you run for

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Speaker 5: Chrich, don't hit back. That film is probably the pinnacle

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Speaker 5: I feel it's good dad that I have and everyone

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Speaker 4: And I saw I saw Ferrari in the theaters actually

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Speaker 4: to get serious. We have a a Axios piece here

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Speaker 5: in every major corporation there is a hr policy of

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Speaker 5: establishing racial and gender and diversity quotas. So too equivalently

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Speaker 5: to choose the person who hits that specific quota. And

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Speaker 5: only just the quote unquote right race, but also is

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Speaker 5: going to be somewhere in that LGBTQ plus continuum. The problem,

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Speaker 5: not just morally, but the problem legally is that all

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Speaker 5: violates federal civil rights law, which is completely colorblind, race neutral,

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Speaker 5: and sex neutral. In America, it is illegal to hire, fire, promote,

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Speaker 5: That's been illegal for a long time for decades, and

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Speaker 5: so the left is terrified at the prospect the big

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Speaker 5: same corporations. Of course that pledged tens of millions of

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Speaker 5: dollars is not more than that to Black Lives Matter,

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Speaker 5: terrified at the process of these companies are going to

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Speaker 5: by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, to the plane letter

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Speaker 5: of the law. That's it, but something worth nothing less.

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Speaker 5: If you run a major corporation in this country, and

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Speaker 5: no major employer or minor, but it's particularly problem with

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Speaker 5: the big employers in America will be able to hire

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Speaker 5: an employee based on their skin color, which means, guess what.

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Speaker 5: All your pilots will be chosen by who's the best

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Speaker 5: hired based upon who's the best at controlling air traffics.

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Speaker 5: All of your surgeons will be hired by based on

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Speaker 5: what Americans black, white, brown, Asian, Latino everybody will be

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Speaker 5: half here in this reality because every person wants the

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Speaker 5: best service, the best results, the best treatment, the best everything.

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Speaker 5: That's the whole point of living in a meritocracy and

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Speaker 5: not living in the Soviet Union. So it's really as

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Speaker 5: simple as that.

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Speaker 1: Uh, we're talking with Stephen Miller who has great taste

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighties and nineties movies but needs to catch

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Speaker 1: up and watch June one because I think you'll like

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Speaker 1: it and then want to watch June too.

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Speaker 5: That we've never talked sci fi. I'm also actually very

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Speaker 5: into SCIPI, so we'll have to do that next time.

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Speaker 2: Is battle Star Galactica. The best sci fi series of

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Speaker 2: all time, of all time.

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Speaker 5: Is Battlestar Galactica.

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Speaker 4: Boom, Stephen Miller, It's like we're of the same womb.

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Speaker 2: I don't even say you and Buck if if they're good.

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Speaker 5: My wife to watch all of Thattle Starcal actors from

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Speaker 5: start to finish.

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Speaker 1: There's going to start to be rumors out there on

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Speaker 1: left wing blogs that you and Buck are gay for

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Speaker 1: each other. I'm just gonna say, yesterday, Steven, we got

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Speaker 1: a listener who called me gay Travis and called Buck

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Speaker 1: cuck Sexton so.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the world is spinning in wild.

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Speaker 5: Directions on the diversity hiring list.

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Speaker 4: I was going for Steven as my twin Clay, but anyway,

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Speaker 4: go ahead.

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Speaker 1: So, uh so, question for you, Stephen, because I bet

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Speaker 1: you were involved in this. We started off the show

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Speaker 1: talking about the blood bath commentary and how I think

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Speaker 1: Trump has brilliantly pivoted to accurately describing what would happen

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Speaker 1: in the auto industry to now using that word to

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Speaker 1: directly describe what is going on at the southern border.

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Speaker 1: And I think Biden's blood bath at the border is

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Speaker 1: something that alliteratively connects Biden to the worst aspect of

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Speaker 1: his presidency so far. I bet you were involved in that.

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Speaker 1: How effective do you think that line of attack is?

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Speaker 1: How important will what's going on at the border be

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Speaker 1: to Trump's twenty twenty four campaign in your mind?

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Speaker 2: Is it number one of all issues? Yes?

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Speaker 5: I believe that it is absolutely a lot of good

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Speaker 5: stuff in that question. So everyone. President Trump has always

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Speaker 5: been the master brander, and he realized very quickly, as

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Speaker 5: he always does, that you take their attack and then

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Speaker 5: you turn into your attack. You own it. So they

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Speaker 5: want to make the word blood bath into this big

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Speaker 5: terrifying awful word. Then let's say, okay, let's take that

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Speaker 5: big terrifying awful word and apply it to the most

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Speaker 5: terrifying awful thing happening in the Western world, which is

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden's border blood bath, the Biden border blood bath,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's going to be an incredibly effective

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Speaker 5: piece of branding going all the way up and through November.

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Speaker 5: On the election point my view of it, in the

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Speaker 5: sort of the macro sense the election, it's going to

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Speaker 5: come down to two facts. One mechanics, ballot operations, ballot mechanics,

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Speaker 5: ballot harvest thing, vote by mail or lea vote right.

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Speaker 5: We can all loathe and detest the system as the

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Speaker 5: Left has rewritten it, but this very little opportunity to

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Speaker 5: restore it to anything that we would like in the

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Speaker 5: near future. The second is the narrative. If the republic

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Speaker 5: Party as a whole is able to make the dominant

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Speaker 5: narrative nationally between now and November about the bottom border bloodbath,

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Speaker 5: then we are going to win the election if we

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Speaker 5: get number one right. Two the Democrats, of course will

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Speaker 5: do everything in their power, as will the Deep Day.

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Speaker 5: You know, they'll bring up all kinds of hoaxes between

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Speaker 5: now and election day, not to mention the prosecutions, to

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Speaker 5: divert the attention and focus and messaging of the Republican

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Speaker 5: Party away from that issue. So I think if we

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Speaker 5: can get the mechanics right and we can keep the

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Speaker 5: focus on the border invasion, then we'll do quite well

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Speaker 5: in November. I really do think at some level it's

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Speaker 5: as simple.

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Speaker 4: As that Steven Miller of America, first legal man, of

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Speaker 4: great taste in policy and movie.

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Speaker 2: Sure, thanks so much, good to talk to you as always.

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Speaker 4: my neighbor to the north, what's up, Dave?

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Speaker 7: Hello, Buck, Megadetto's since Sacramento, rest in peace, Maha Rushi.

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Speaker 7: Love the show, guys, listen since day one.

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Speaker 4: But but thank you's wrong on two accounts.

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Speaker 7: First of all, you said anyone who conservative the one

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Speaker 7: with Trump is a pool. I don't believe in the

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Speaker 7: lesser of two eagles voting anymore. Second lall, you said

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Speaker 7: just now that evangelicals won't leave Trump with abortion. I'm

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Speaker 7: a native Evangelical and a historian of evangelicalisms, and one

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Speaker 7: of the distinctives of the evangelical movement is called boundary keeping,

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Speaker 7: and abortion is a third rail, and they will drop

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Speaker 7: Trump at least a significant portion of enough percentage like

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Speaker 7: a like a prom dress, because when he does some

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Speaker 7: sort of New York cocktail party shove one abortions and

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Speaker 7: equivoc gates. Yeah, that's the reason they've been holding their

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Speaker 7: nose with him, and it'll be significant enough. Just like

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Speaker 7: we're seeing the exodus in Congress right now, you're gonna

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Speaker 7: see people that are tired in the party.

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Speaker 2: Myself, I get you, Dave Can.

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Speaker 4: I just say I would love to argue to you

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Speaker 4: and tell you that that you're wrong and I'm right

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Speaker 4: except what you're saying I said, Clay said, so I'll

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Speaker 4: let you claim I'm the one who is saying this

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Speaker 4: happens to be all the time. But like an angry

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Speaker 4: emails like how dare you say that? Like you know

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Speaker 4: Ohio State is gonna beat Michigan, I'm like, that's the

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Speaker 4: other guy.

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Speaker 2: That's the other guy's funny.

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Speaker 1: I typically don't get blamed for things that you say, Buck, ever,

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Speaker 1: and you get blamed for what I say. I love this,

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Speaker 1: By the way, I would encourage all of you out

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Speaker 1: there if you're ever angry, Buck is the one you're

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Speaker 1: angry at. I can't believe he said it either all right,

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Speaker 1: responding to day. Look, the reports are out there, and

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Speaker 1: Trump himself, I believe has said Buck six weeks he

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Speaker 1: doesn't agree with I know he said that about the

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Speaker 1: DeSantis decision in Florida, and there are reports that he

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Speaker 1: is going to give his opinion on abortion in the

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Speaker 1: next week for purposes of this campaign season.

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Speaker 2: You think that Buck does.

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Speaker 1: And Dave who just called in that people will not

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Speaker 1: vote for Trump if his position on abortion is not

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Speaker 1: steadfast pro life, I actually think that Trump. Now, there's

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Speaker 1: nobody to the right of Trump in this election, so

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Speaker 1: I don't believe there's anybody out there.

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Speaker 4: You don't think he loses anybody if he says abortion

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Speaker 4: month one, two, three, four should be the federal law

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Speaker 4: of the land.

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Speaker 2: That's I don't think he's good.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna say that he thinks it

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Speaker 1: should be the federal law of the land. I think

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Speaker 1: what he's gonna say is that personally he thinks the

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Speaker 1: line should be somewhere around sixteen weeks.

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Speaker 2: That's not gonna fly.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna they're gonna because they're trying to federal I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's either got to say it's a federal issue, or

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Speaker 4: it's not a federal issue.

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Speaker 2: He can't.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna be the president. We got a lot of

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Speaker 4: calls to this play. Let's get to Ken in Southeast Michigan.

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Speaker 4: He wants the way in two. It's up Ken.

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Speaker 8: I'm just calling to say that speaking to someone who

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Speaker 8: used to be a Sunday school teacher, so I was

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Speaker 8: forced to study this subject very detailed.

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Speaker 2: It's just the words of caution.

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Speaker 8: As a conservative Christian who identifies that life begins at

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Speaker 8: the moment and a conception that abortionhit is murder. There

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Speaker 8: is no compromise on this subject if you are Donald

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Speaker 8: Trump or you are the Republican Party and you come

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Speaker 8: out and say anything other than life begins at the moment, conception,

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Speaker 8: and we're going to fight on the grounds on those grounds.

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Speaker 1: I don't sorry to interrupt, just I don't think any

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Speaker 1: Republican candidate has that position. Now, I mean it's running

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Speaker 1: for statewide office. I don't think anybody has said I

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Speaker 1: don't believe in exceptions for rape, incest, or life of

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Speaker 1: a mother that I can remember in a very long time.

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Speaker 1: So I understand and respect anybody's position like what he's saying.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any Republican correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any Republican candidate that is of

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Speaker 1: that position right now.

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Speaker 4: I'd have to look at where everyone stands in the

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Speaker 4: most sort of up to date way, Barbara in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: We'll let you get in, Barbara.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 9: Hi, guys Trump all the way? You know what I'm

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Speaker 9: thinking about this? And I said, did you happen to

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Speaker 9: see his town hall with Sean Hannity? Because I think

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Speaker 9: he handled it.

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Speaker 8: I think he.

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Speaker 9: Handled it very well right there. And I'm the left

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Speaker 9: is very very good at gas lighting, and all the

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Speaker 9: college students and the women are going to hear and

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Speaker 9: then they're going to be screaming threat to democracy over

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Speaker 9: and over and over and over again, because it's all

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Speaker 9: Biden really has. So I'm thinking he has to say

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Speaker 9: states rights and let God sort it out, because I mean,

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Speaker 9: it's going to be difficult because we all know how

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Speaker 9: divided it is and how people have so many different

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Speaker 9: opinions on it.

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Speaker 2: Barbara. I think I think you're right.

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Speaker 4: I think that actually if he weighs it on this

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Speaker 4: and doesn't say it's a state's rights issue, he can

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Speaker 4: say what Clay said about here are my personal beliefs, Comma,

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Speaker 4: but it's a state's rights issue. I think that's the

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Speaker 4: right Ana. Yeah, OK, thank you Barbara for calling in.

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Speaker 4: What he can't do is say, well, I got my

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Speaker 4: personal feelings on this, but you know where should a

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Speaker 4: line be.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like it's either it's either it's not

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Speaker 4: in his purview as a federal issue for him to

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Speaker 4: sign as president, or he's going to have to stake

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Speaker 4: a position on it, you know what I mean. There's

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Speaker 4: not going to be a I think a third option there.

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Speaker 4: And then there's there's the what there's the the best

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Speaker 4: political option here, and there's the most moral option and

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Speaker 4: they may not be the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately that can often be the case. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right about that. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think and I understand people get fired up and they say,

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Speaker 1: I won't vote for so and so if they I

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Speaker 1: won't vote for X. If they do, why what is

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Speaker 1: the other option? Are you going to vote for RFK Junior?

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Speaker 1: Are you going to vote for Joe Biden? Are you

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Speaker 1: going to vote for Jill Stein? They're all worse on

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Speaker 1: pro life issues than Trump would be no matter what