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Speaker 1: Morning Sweeper and welcome to the Not Dunks Podcast Monday,

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Speaker 1: October thirteenth, twenty twenty five on j skis here in

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Speaker 1: the Classic Factory and alongside me as always.

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Speaker 2: Task melis Happy week before the NBA regular season.

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Speaker 1: Everybody next to him, it's my top shot Boyay, Trey Kirby,

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Speaker 1: hey oh hey, and over Yonder making the magic happen.

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Speaker 1: Super producer jd It's a whole new setup.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into it, I have three bird related

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Speaker 1: questions slash comments. First, one, Happy Thanksgiving to all of

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Speaker 1: our Canadian friends and family. I hope that turkeys, the

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Speaker 1: turkey leftovers I assume at this point are hitting most

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Speaker 1: people do Thanksgiving. I feel like on Sunday, not Monday, totally. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't know that, at least in our family. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so enjoy your leftover turkey. Two, what do you think

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Speaker 1: of the Blue Jays loss last night? We're gonna bounce

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Speaker 1: back here down one the Mariners.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I because I'm always positive. I flashback

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Speaker 2: to the nineteen ninety two World Series. We saw one

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Speaker 2: home run in that game by Damon berry Hill, a

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Speaker 2: three run jack for the Atlanta Braves. Catcher. They lost

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Speaker 2: three to one. I think so it was a similar game,

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Speaker 2: low scoring one ding dong like yesterday, or Kevin Gossman

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Speaker 2: giving out Dad, Get up to the big dunker. What

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Speaker 2: a weird nickname?

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Speaker 1: Dumper?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sorry, I'm in a basketball fitting. If you

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Speaker 3: look at him, I guess he's got a big dumper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah big. They'll be back game too, Okay today? Don't

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Speaker 1: they play at like four o'clock today? Four? Yeah? Man,

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Speaker 1: a baseball games on today. Stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: That's strange.

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Speaker 1: And then the third bird related question, how was Harry

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Speaker 1: the Hawk? Oh yeah, Pride parade. Harry was great.

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Speaker 3: Always love to see Harry. The Hawks always show up

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Speaker 3: for the Pride parade. Some years Harry will have like

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Speaker 3: a rainbow plume on his head, went with the standard

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Speaker 3: black and red skin look, or I guess red feathers look.

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Speaker 1: But uh yeah, you know, Harry saw me. I saw him.

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Speaker 1: We started pointing at each other. Oh nice.

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Speaker 3: Even executed a high five, which I thought was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 3: Since Harry was riding around on a bird scooter, I

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Speaker 3: was a little worried for him.

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Speaker 1: Oh geez, yeah, he's on a bird scooter today. On

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Speaker 1: it all right?

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Speaker 3: That was a big feat for a scooter too, right, Yeah, impressive. Look,

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Speaker 3: when you're a mascot, it's risky. Yeah, you might get

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Speaker 3: hitting the nuts when you're out there in the environment.

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Speaker 3: You got to be able to balance on a scooter

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Speaker 3: just like that. People going crazy for you. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: hit me with a thumbs up. Thumbs up to you,

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Speaker 3: Harry Nice. So I like the photo. Good stuff.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's get into the reason we're here today,

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Speaker 1: continuing our NBA season previews. We've done the East and

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Speaker 1: West Over Under podcast, we did the first time All

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Speaker 1: Star Draft. Hey, Boozella's looking really good. Oh yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of Boozellis buzz right out here in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: But on today's show, we're doing our NBA Award predictions.

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Speaker 1: This is always one of my favorite pods we did

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Speaker 1: all season long, seeing how what we think of who's

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Speaker 1: gonna win these awards and some dark horse picks and

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Speaker 1: all that talk it through. So let's start with the

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Speaker 1: big one. Let's get right into it. Twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: twenty six MVP. Now these odds coming by way a

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Speaker 1: fan duel. All of our odds are the favorite right now,

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Speaker 1: Shay Gilges Alexander plus one sixty, and you got Jokich

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Speaker 1: plus three hundred, Luca plus four hundred, Jannis plus twelve hundred,

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Speaker 1: same with Wemby and then Anthony Edwards rounding at our

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Speaker 1: MVP table. I guess you know we always have six

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Speaker 1: at the table plus twenty five hundred. So who do

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Speaker 1: you like going into twenty five twenty six here? And

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Speaker 1: then again we can later on get into some like

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Speaker 1: dark horse picks, and unless maybe a dark horse pick.

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Speaker 2: Is your guy, No, I'm picking Luka Doncic, who is

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Speaker 2: a a dark horse. I would say not as far

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Speaker 2: as the odds go. But everyone taking Shay or Yokic

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Speaker 2: It'll start because he's going to score a lot. With

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Speaker 2: Lebron James out. The last year, Luca didn't receive one

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Speaker 1: Is a bigger factor than me.

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Speaker 2: For me, then seeing Luca on the front of a

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Speaker 2: men's health magazine looking fit, I think just being beside

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Speaker 2: Lebron James, learning that having that pride will help him out.

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Speaker 2: That being said, they're gonna have to win fifty games,

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Speaker 2: around him. But I'm buying in I'm buying into Jared Vanderbilt,

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Speaker 2: But I think what we saw from Luca, just as

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Speaker 1: Excursion scursis cool.

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Speaker 3: If he practiced, he's practicing, he's not playing, I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: Anything in preseason Luca and Lebron. Yeah, is that going

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Speaker 2: No, there's one there's one guy you know can carry

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Speaker 2: and over again. He doesn't need to play in games.

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Speaker 2: He has to be healthy, and he is healthy. They're

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Speaker 2: playing it with Lebron. But other guys are being around him,

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Speaker 2: and I think they just need that camaraderie and there's

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Speaker 2: I think there's a recipe. There's the recipe for like

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Speaker 2: what he did with the MAVs. But I think he's

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Speaker 2: even healthier. To be honest, this is me looking in.

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Speaker 1: Just feels like it. He feels like he's ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was his first not healthy season last year,

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Speaker 3: only fifty games, so he didn't qualify for awards, which

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Speaker 3: is why he didn't get any votes. But I think

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Speaker 3: Luca has maybe the most interesting case of the top

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Speaker 3: three guys because he as the worst team between the Thunder,

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Speaker 3: Shake goes Alexander just won every award last season. We

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Speaker 3: So I understand why you're going with Luca, But I've

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Speaker 3: He's always getting the votes, but he hasn't been able

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Speaker 3: the first year he plays with LA and gets the

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Speaker 1: He is a perennial preseason MVP favorite. As we do

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Speaker 1: this exercise every fricking year, I feel like some one

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Speaker 1: of us, Yeah, maybe it's Trey, Usually now it's you.

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Speaker 1: One of us takes Luca. We're like, oh, it's got

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Speaker 2: And you've got the little negatives against other guys that

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Speaker 2: I think that is part of it. The Jokic side

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Speaker 2: going to the bench and his team falling off, I

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Speaker 2: He won't have to do as much, you won't have

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Speaker 2: to shoot as much. He won't have this thirty point

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Speaker 2: The Shay thing with the wins total is is important.

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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna there's gonna be some sort of

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be the number one seed probably, yes, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So who are you going with ultimately here, I'll take Yokich. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I kind of feel like we just every year, is

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Speaker 3: Give it to somebody else who's deserving, then go back

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Speaker 3: to Jokis that happened with Embiid? Then Jokic won one

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Speaker 3: forty percent from three. If he approaches those numbers, like,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be double digit rebounds and assists for sure.

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Speaker 3: But if he drops off the twenty seven points per game,

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Speaker 3: Everybody agrees he's at worst the one and a half

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Speaker 1: He actually is the best player if you ask me. So.

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Speaker 3: I think if you can look at him on the

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Speaker 3: odds boards and he's not number one, why not?

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Speaker 1: Right, here's a question for you, And I heard the

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Speaker 1: feel like voters are itching to give Jokic a fourth

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Speaker 1: fourth one. I can't decide. I love that debate. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: the mix. Maybe they flirt with fifty five to sixty

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Speaker 1: maybe they're the number one seed. Probably not, I would

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Speaker 1: we're not doing that because voters get like scared for

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Speaker 1: some reason that he's like on this short list. What

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Speaker 3: I think it's a good way to anoint somebody the

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Speaker 3: it's the best players of their generation and we haven't

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Speaker 3: would be a way to give him history going forward.

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Speaker 3: So maybe that bolster's my case. And you know the

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Speaker 3: fact that he didn't win it last year. People don't

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Speaker 1: A row MVPs. That's why they change it up for

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Speaker 1: some reason. And that's not an issue for Jokic this season.

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Speaker 2: got to be good. They have to improve. Number one.

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Speaker 1: Totally.

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Speaker 3: He no, he was five thousand to one, thank you

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Speaker 1: that's my dark horse because he ever was twenty six,

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Speaker 1: nine and six and seventy games last year. There are

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Speaker 1: still rooms for improvement in his game. I saw Danny

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Speaker 3: He was the best off the board pick, I thought,

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Speaker 1: Is it Franz?

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Speaker 3: They at least have a chance at two All Stars,

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Speaker 1: And then why not Victor wemin Yama? Why not here

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Speaker 3: The only reason his wins like this, the Spurs would

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Speaker 1: He's the best defensive player in the league.

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Speaker 3: if that's the case, people will vote him MVP. As

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Speaker 2: Yes, and will he play the sixty five games? And

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Speaker 2: that's the questions boring question, but that's a part of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: All right. So you have Luca, we have Jolkic for

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Speaker 1: favorite right now plus nine fifty. Danny Avdia of the Blazers,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Nemhart, Benedict Mathrin, Asar Thompson and Mates Bozelis are

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Speaker 1: that even fan duel and all the odds makers, they're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, not really sure. Put two brothers and

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Speaker 1: What do you think? Trey again is a difficult one

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Speaker 3: I'm just happy that Bozellis made the board one better

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was kind of funny. My picked

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Speaker 3: There's no way he could be an MVP candidate and

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Speaker 3: also win Most Improved Player. Look at Jahn Morant twenty

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Speaker 3: one twenty two season one Most Improved Player finished seventh

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Speaker 3: in MVP voting. You're telling me that's not reasonable for

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Speaker 3: Victor webbin Yama, who has zero accolades in his career

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Speaker 3: so far, only because he didn't play enough games last season.

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Speaker 3: But it means he's available to be voted for on

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Speaker 3: all of this kind of stuff, especially Most Improved Player.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of at times been a junior MVP vote. Like,

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Speaker 3: we see you coming next, so let's get out ahead

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Speaker 3: of things. I think he will be on actual MVP

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Speaker 1: He'll get some fifth.

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Speaker 3: Place votes, maybe some fourth place votes, depending on how

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Speaker 3: much the voters favored defense. So it's way down there

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Speaker 3: on the odds, but I'll take Wemby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting because last year's MIP winner, Dyson Daniels,

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Speaker 1: that was sort of like a throwback most Improved winner

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Speaker 1: that way, because like you said, Trey, we've had a

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Speaker 1: guys that already scored twenty points per game like in

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Speaker 1: seasons prior. But then we're like this coronation of sorts like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you've really leveled up to All Star All MBA. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get the case for Wemby for MIP. I think

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Speaker 2: Back, Okay, especially because it's a it's an open board,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty open. But we know Wenby is going to

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Speaker 2: then voters will say, okay, well we got to click

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Speaker 2: check him for something.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The Defensive Player of the Year is a part of it.

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Speaker 2: But to me, this could easily be the Wemby year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the coronation. It reminds me of the Juniston Goupo. It

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Speaker 2: was year four for Yannis when he won Most Improved Player,

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Speaker 2: And I do think it was after year three where

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Speaker 2: we're on NBA TV and I called him the most

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Speaker 2: overrated player going onto year four, and that's when he

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Speaker 2: did it because people were saying he was already annointed,

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Speaker 2: he was already the All Star and I found the stats.

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Speaker 2: You can't, you can't do that. I was a little

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Speaker 2: stat oriented. He hadn't taken that next step. Wemby could

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Speaker 2: be taking that next step. It could be the Wemby pick.

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Speaker 2: I don't say what.

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Speaker 1: Already averages, Like what is he twenty four eleven and

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Speaker 1: four or something like that. Yeah, so he can't improve

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Speaker 1: enough of yourself? Always been training with Matt Bonner.

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Speaker 3: I I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, like you said, is he going to average

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Speaker 1: twenty eight thirteen?

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Speaker 4: You know three blocks plus? Yeah, go get that quad doubles.

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Speaker 4: He'll be the only the fifth player to get a

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Speaker 4: quadruple double. If you want to get into stats, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it could happen.

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Speaker 1: So you're picking Wemby as well. No, oh no, it's

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Speaker 1: a great, great one. It's a great pick.

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Speaker 2: I find the board is hilarious because, as you said,

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Speaker 2: two pacers, two brothers, two white guys. I mean really,

430
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,359
Speaker 2: it's really the most improved player. I like the Asar

431
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,680
Speaker 2: Thompson pick because I think he's going to play way more.

432
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,440
Speaker 2: He was in these three to four minute spurts last

433
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,400
Speaker 2: year because of the blood cloude issue, so it wasn't

434
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 2: playing a ton for JB.

435
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:41,360
Speaker 1: Bickerstaff.

436
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 2: I think J. B. Bickerstaff will and has to buy

437
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 2: into Sar Thompson more. He didn't do that enough last year.

438
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,360
Speaker 2: He just did not. I think it's his time. He's

439
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 2: gonna be given the leash, especially with this new Pistons

440
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 2: team with Leak Beasley gone, they need somebody out there

441
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,160
Speaker 2: to make place. Now j and Ivy coming back as well,

442
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 2: They're going to feel it out. I don't know who

443
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 2: Malik Beasley's betting on, if he still bets, but he

444
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,120
Speaker 2: should bet on Asar Thompson.

445
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 1: That is such a strange scenario.

446
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 2: The guy will probably be playing basketball this season TVD.

447
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's hard to pick from that board. That's

448
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 2: why Wemby's a good one. Even if you want to

449
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 2: go deeper like the Nembharden one. I mean, it's it's

450
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,359
Speaker 2: fun because he's a guy who gets better in the playoffs,

451
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: and we've most recently seen him take that step from

452
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 2: regular season to playoffs. They're awesome. Now is it is

453
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 2: it his time to take over for Tyre's Hilliburton as

454
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 2: the guy? Now, these are kind of like if if

455
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,199
Speaker 2: you want to write the narrative, these are kind of

456
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 2: like his playoffs. You've got to go in and you've

457
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: got to be the guy. But history says that's not true.

458
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,199
Speaker 2: His regular seasons just aren't that good in comparison to

459
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 2: the playoffs, so I can't I can't get behind it.

460
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: But he obviously is that talented.

461
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 1: There are like two bucks. I think for most improved,

462
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: there are candidates who just get increased opportunity. These guys

463
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: are saying Andrew Emhart, Benedict Mathrin. I think a lot

464
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 1: of Celtics guys would fall into this sort of bucket,

465
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: maybe Derek White, Peyton Pritchard, Sam Hauser, stuff like that.

466
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 1: Michael Porter Junior new role in Brooklyn. Now you need

467
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 1: usually some wins with MIP. I get that, But then

468
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: there's the whole other side of just like these guys

469
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 1: that are like breakout stars, like these prospects they on

470
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 1: men Thompson. I think Brandon Miller could maybe be on

471
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: this list the Boozellises of the world. A guy, I'm

472
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: gonna pick Shandon Sharp. I'll go with Shade Sharp as

473
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 1: a not even I mean, he's off the board here,

474
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's super far down there. He's

475
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: probably plus twenty five hundred. So I'll go Sharp as mip.

476
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: That's a good one.

477
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 1: Now, I'm like, obviously I'm looking in what happened at

478
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: the end of last season when nobody cares. At the

479
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: end of the regular season, he went, he was having

480
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 1: some monster like thirty point point per game scoring games.

481
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: There's no Scoot sort of in the mix right now.

482
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: He's like turning into sort of a lead guy there

483
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'll go with him. They need offense.

484
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: He's going to put up numbers.

485
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: A great note I saw in doing little research for

486
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: this from Xandrik Ellison what a Name on NBA Reddit.

487
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: He noted that the Most Improved Player Trophy may need

488
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: to be renamed the player who happened to get hot

489
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: from three trophy because he went back and looked. In

490
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: many cases, the winner was a player who just shot

491
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: well above their career average from three that particular season

492
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: and then immediately dropped down back to their normal averages.

493
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 1: So the premise here is that most Improved is a

494
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: bit of a funky trophy. It's tough to predict this one.

495
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: That's why Wemby again, like you said, like with crazy

496
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: long odds, like maybe he does shoot forty percent from three,

497
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 1: and that would obviously that'll get you from twenty four

498
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: points per game to twenty eight to twenty something like that.

499
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: But I'm going sharp, you are going Wemby Wemby, and

500
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: ultimately you're going.

501
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm going in Starr Thompson, although the Ben Matherns Austin

502
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: super fun as well, especially with Halbert. Note who's going

503
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: to score? But he's coming off the bench last year.

504
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,239
Speaker 2: Is he just going to be pushed in to what

505
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 2: is is his contract year? So and increased three point

506
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: percentage would be the time to do it, That would

507
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: be I don't know. That's why all these guys are questions.

508
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: I think I would favor Nemhard over Matherin just because

509
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 3: Benedict Matherne scored sixteen a game last year as the

510
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 3: main option for the Pacers off the bench, whereas Nemhard

511
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 3: was ten points per game.

512
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: He's going to improve on that.

513
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 3: For sure, just with more opportunity playing a bigger role

514
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: on the offensive end. If you're choosing a pacer for me,

515
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 3: it's nem Hard, Yeah, you're If you're talking about a

516
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: guy that needs to overperform three point shooting, Asar Thompson

517
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 3: is easily the pick here.

518
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: He shot twenty two percent from three. If he shoots

519
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: thirty percent, we're like, wha, Yeah, he's a marksman. Dale

520
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 1: ellis out there. He's still improved. Yeah, yeah. Any other

521
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: dark horse picks you want to show some love to, No,

522
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: most improved anyone?

523
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 3: Jayalen Johnson fifty to one, Wow, wasn't eligible for an

524
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 3: award last year. Had a massive improvement, it would have

525
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: been an All Star, but only played what thirty games.

526
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 3: I think for the Hawks. If he stays healthy, he's

527
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 3: awesome and he's going to have a huge role for

528
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: Atlanta this year. Jovic, I think at twenty five to

529
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 3: one is interesting. Reed Shepherd thirty to one didn't play

530
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 3: hardly at all and now is going to be a

531
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: massive piece for the Rockets.

532
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting no one is picking the favorite here Amen Thompson.

533
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: A lot more talk about Asar Thompson. I just like

534
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm interested by that, Like have we over index? I

535
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: mean we as in the internet and all the other

536
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: media members on Like, is Amen Thompson suddenly almost overrated

537
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: because we're so excited for him and he's so fun

538
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: to watch and the potential we see there, But maybe

539
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: slow down on it. He was a breakout star last year.

540
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: I think is the problem for me a'ment Thompson more

541
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: so than a SAR who was kind of lost in

542
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 3: the shuffle because he started the season on the injured

543
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 3: reserve list, came back and like Tasa saying, kind of

544
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: was in and out of the lineup. I think that

545
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: it's more enticing to look at Asar, especially because you

546
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 3: figure the Pistons are going to need one of their

547
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: young guys to pop this year.

548
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: So many headlines for Amn Thompson last year in comparison

549
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: to a star, Thompson's probably like ninety to ten percent.

550
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: A SAAR wasn't talked about it a lot.

551
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 2: The Jalen Johnson one also interesting because he could be

552
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: anointed as a most improved player, breakout player number one

553
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: because he plays a number two. If he doesn't make

554
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: the All Star team, you got to give you kind

555
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: of give him something, you know. But his numbers were

556
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 2: really good. It is a little like Shaden Sharp. They

557
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: both average between eighteen and a half and nineteen points

558
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: per game. Good numbers. So how much are they going

559
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: to improve from that? Yeah, I could see Shandon Sharp

560
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: doing it without Anthony Simons there. They literally need somebody

561
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: to score a ton, so he could.

562
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why, like when you're picking between two pacers

563
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: to win MIP, like you were saying, Trey, it's like

564
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: you almost have to add like it feels like a

565
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: seven to eight point per game increase. So it's like

566
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: more likely that Nemhart is maybe seventeen eighteen points per

567
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: game then maybe Benedict Mathrin, who already averaged sixteen points

568
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: per game up to you know, twenty three, twenty four.

569
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: It's still possible he's only going to get better as

570
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: a player. But yeah, that's that's maybe the issue with Sharp.

571
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: I guess I'm banking on he is sort of flirting around,

572
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: let's call it, twenty points per game. Really good season,

573
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: and obviously the Blazers have to surprise and you have

574
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: to sort of like be the lead guy. The only

575
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: other name I have. I'm just interested to see Cam

576
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: Whitmore after two sort of disappointing seasons with the Houston Rockets,

577
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: obviously caught up in the shuffle of so many guys

578
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: there and on the bench. Now he goes to Washington

579
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: just to remind everyone that's where Cam Whitmore is, so

580
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: he gets a second chance here. I think he could

581
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: double his point per game total just with opportunities. So

582
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: that's like a narrative that he's like, whoa man. Guy

583
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: is obviously really good. I think he's at plus four thousand,

584
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: So that's my dark horse pick. Let's go to Rookie

585
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: of the Year. Anybody taking anyone besides Cooper Flag who's

586
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: the odds on favorite minus one ninety five by way

587
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: of FanDuel. And then you do have a bunch of

588
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: other guys at plus one thousand and vj Edgecombe, Ace Bailey,

589
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: Trey Johnson, and you got Dylan Harper plus fourteen hundred,

590
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: Canipple plus eighteen hundred. I will say from the time

591
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: I've made this board now, at least the last I

592
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: checked FanDuel's even changed a little bit. Flag is now

593
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: minus two twenty to win Rookie of the Year. Trey

594
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: Johnson remains at plus one thousand, Ace Bailey Edgecombe, they've

595
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: dropped to plus eleven hundred. Harper dropped a little bit too.

596
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: But gonna start a here, TK. You know, I assume

597
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: you're taking Cooper Flag, but maybe then who you have

598
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: second on your list?

599
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: I do think Flag is the favorite here for a reason.

600
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 3: And I don't know exactly when you made the board,

601
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: but he played against the Hornets and looked awesome, So

602
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this guy is going to do it,

603
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: especially when you factor in he's got the rare chance

604
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 3: as a rookie to have great production as a rookie

605
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 3: and be on a team that's pretty decent. Like he's

606
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: going to be a key piece to a MAVs team

607
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 3: that's at least hoping to make the playoffs in the

608
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: Western Conference, if not go farther. So I think him

609
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 3: playing on both sides of the ball, being a do

610
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: it all kind of guy, defense, playmaking, scoring, Like he

611
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: looks like he's going to be unstoppable in transition already.

612
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: That's why he's the favorite, so heavily for a second

613
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: favorite guy, I think Ace Bailey. I think he's probably

614
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: going to lead all rookies in scoring. There's a ton

615
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 3: of opportunity on the Jazz. He looks like a taller,

616
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: skinnier Carmelo Anthony out there in preseason, and the shots

617
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: are going to be there. He looks more comfortable as

618
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: an NBA player than he probably did as a college player.

619
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: So I think Will Hardy's excited to have this guy.

620
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: You see pictures of him and he's just like hugging

621
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: and smiling, like, how do we get as Bailey at

622
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: number five?

623
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: So I think if he.

624
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 3: Leads the draft class in scoring, he's going to get

625
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: a ton of votes.

626
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good pick because Rookie of the Year

627
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: quite often goes to the guy who has a lot

628
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: of opportunity. Larry Markinen will be allowing Ace Bayley to

629
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: do whatever the heck he wants on that team as

630
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: well Will Hardy, so he'll have plenty of shots. It's

631
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: definitely going to be Cooper Fly who wins it because

632
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: he's going to have plenty of opportunity because they need

633
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: some guard play. So I think Jason kid's going to

634
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: give him the ball a ton You want to make

635
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: some narratives. Wow, he's a point guard. He's a point

636
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: forward type of thing. That could happen. He's going to

637
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: have the highlights both offensively and as he said, defensively.

638
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: He'll cover everybody. He'll track three point line to the

639
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: rim over and over.

640
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: He wants it.

641
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: It seems like he's got that dog in him, So

642
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: I think it's it's his It's hard to go down

643
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: the board. Ace Billy is a good pick. I think

644
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Speaker 2: v Jadge gumb Is is a decent pick because y'all

645
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: have opportunity with Willie. I think if Edgicum is playing again,

646
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: that's a that's another question. But he should he should be, Yeah,

647
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: I think. I mean it's going to take who's going

648
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: to take the.

649
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Speaker 1: Well, they have a lot of cards when they're all

650
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: when they're all healthy. I mean, you got Maxie, you

651
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 1: got McCain, the guy who was probably going to win

652
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: rookie year last year until he got hurt. Yeah, Clinton Grimes,

653
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah McCain.

654
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: I see a little bit here, but yeah, we'll see.

655
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: Then again, their guys are always injured, so maybe.

656
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right. If he's the one that stays healthy.

657
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: I think Jedge cumb could have the best highlights.

658
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: Of any rookie. Oh yeah, yes for sure. A few

659
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: things to remember when you are making your Rookie of

660
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Speaker 1: the Year picks. First off, no sixty five game minimum

661
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: for Rookie of the Year eligibility. So I was going

662
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: to ask you, guys, how many games does us Cooper

663
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Speaker 1: Flag have to play to sort of lock up Rookie

664
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Speaker 1: of the Year fIF half the season? You know, I

665
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: wonder what that is. I know it depends on how

666
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Speaker 1: the other guys are doing behind them. But you know,

667
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing won this thing with fifty games played way

668
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: back in the day. Brandon roy have only played fifty seven.

669
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 1: I think Embid played thirty one, and hence Malcolm Brogden

670
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: ended up getting that one. But look, you get far

671
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: more flexibility when it comes to this award when it

672
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 1: comes to injuries. Team performance doesn't matter, So you can

673
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: be on the worst team and you can be a

674
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: you could be a Concini and counting stats tend to

675
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: play an outsized role when it comes to Rookie of

676
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: the Year, like whoever has sort of the most points, rebounds,

677
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: the Cysts sort of at them all up. You have

678
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: a really good chance, especially points. We've never had a

679
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year Winter average single digits in points,

680
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: and in the past two decades. I'm glad to hear

681
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: that in the past two decades. There's a little trivia

682
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: question for you. In past two decades, only two guys

683
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: were below fifteen points per game that won Rookie of

684
00:30:54,120 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: the Year broad enough course, because it got hurt No. Eighteen,

685
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's last year. Oh Castle, Yeah, Stephen Castle,

686
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, somewhat of a weak class, I guess, but

687
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: he got it done. Michael Carter Williams almost seventeen points

688
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: per game. There you go, all right, So everybody's taking

689
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: Cooper flag and sounds like Ace Bailey a bit of

690
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: a favorite for maybe runner up.

691
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: There will be some con canimple headlines. I think. I

692
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: think he is a guy who gets after it, can

693
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: score Arlamello. Theyre they gonna give theim the ball, Brandon Miller,

694
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: they gonna give him the ball. Enough is the question

695
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: for him to put out points, But he's he's got it.

696
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 2: And maybe Flamelo misses games, then conk Nipple gets more

697
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: opportunity you can score, That's for sure.

698
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: He looks savvy.

699
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: I was trying to think of like a Conka Nipple

700
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: Halloween costume, because I mean, the guy's got the name.

701
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: The word nipple in his names, like Chili con caa nipple.

702
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

703
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: It sounds more like a fantasy name theaker come up with.

704
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: But I'll like a like a Nacho hat and the

705
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: Hornets jersey or something like that. Still got enough time

706
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: to brainstorm ideas Chili two.

707
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Speaker 1: Other Rookie of the Year super dark Horse picks. What

708
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: about young Hanson? He just had a great third quarter.

709
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: Oh man.

710
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean, now he's sort of a guy too. There's

711
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: a lot of bigs. I think he's gonna play. I

712
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: think the Portland trailer is gonna play him a little bit.

713
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: But they have some bigs there in the rotation. Clinging

714
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: of course, I mean time lord when he plays and

715
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: he's still in the roster, but you could see him

716
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: having He's gonna have like a monster month, like probably March.

717
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: It's like, well, the numbers this guy is putting up

718
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: and he'll like get in the conversation and a monster

719
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: highlight reel. People he's got some great dimes. For sure.

720
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: The NBA YouTube page will be putting together some big clips,

721
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: and not only for for Asia, just for us to watch.

722
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: He's fun to watch.

723
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Speaker 2: As Danny Avdia said that give and go with me

724
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: and him, it's gonna work. You're gonna see some beautiful

725
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: passes the clips. I'm already seeing him just driving by

726
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: centers in preseason, in practice, in his own practice, where

727
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: he just goes by.

728
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Like he can go buy them. I'm getting sucked in.

729
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: I was trying to name the name, but he is

730
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: just he's a camp invite, so I forget.

731
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Speaker 1: He's the awe center.

732
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: He can spin from the mid range and go buy

733
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: anybody and then and then he hangs at the rim.

734
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Speaker 2: He's freaking a big boy.

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Speaker 1: Oh he is going to be. He's going to be

736
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Speaker 1: on Rookie of the Year ladder lists on NBA dot

737
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Speaker 1: com or the Athletic or ESPN guaranteed at some point.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's going to be like probably in

739
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: March that he'll like sneak onto these lists. I'm pretty

740
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Speaker 1: confident about that. The only other guy in all honesty

741
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: again dark horse pick because Cooper's gonna win this. But

742
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: heat rookie Yakochons. The GM survey voted him the biggest

743
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: steal of the draft, so there are fans of him.

744
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a bigger opportunity now that

745
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: Tyler hero is out, at least to start this season.

746
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: Spolster's talking him up. He said, quote he has a

747
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: Kamikazi element to him. He's like jet fuel. Just immediately

748
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: feel his energy and his speed end quote on there.

749
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Speaker 1: So I think he could get some stats. You might

750
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: get it, might get a.

751
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: Chance, at least as far as I got sucked in

752
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: during Summer Lake, I did.

753
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: He's very good.

754
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: Uh. And since we're naming great names like that, the

755
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: son of Sirunus Marshalis is in the NBA Augustus.

756
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: Augustus for the chocolate factory Chocolate River, but the factory instead,

757
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: he sucked up the tube in the river, didn't he Augustus? Yeah,

758
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was in the lake. He's on

759
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: the Lakers.

760
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: I think he may be a two way guy, so

761
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, he's on an Exhibit ten contract with

762
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: the Lakers, but.

763
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: For the chocolate chocolate factory. All right, lots more awards

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Speaker 1: you on this one sixth Man of the Year odds.

805
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: Again by way of fan duel got seven names on

806
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: this list because we got sort of a tie at

807
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: the bottom, but Nasried and DeAndre Hunter are the favorites

808
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: at plus one thousand, Josh Hart with the Knicks plus

809
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: eleven hundred, ty Jerome with the Grizzlies plus fourteen hundred,

810
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: and then three guys at the bottom there, John Collins,

811
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: Jordan Clarkson, and Anthony Simons all at plus fifteen hundred.

812
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: I find this one difficult as well. Tasks it is,

813
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: where are you going?

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00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: Some of those guys are going to be starting, I

815
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: would say.

816
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And some of those guys are

817
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: not even like six men, like they're gonna be like seventh, eighth,

818
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: right men, two knicks on there, yeah right right, yeah,

819
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: And Deuce McBride might be also great choice sixth man.

820
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm going way off the board. I'm going

821
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: with Dante de Vincenzo in Minnesota. I think he's gonna

822
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: have an increased role in Nikhil Alexander Walker, Gun Mike

823
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: Conley getting a little bit older, and he was part

824
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: of the Karl Anthony Towns. Julius Randall trade where if

825
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: they get dealt on October second, they weren't ready for

826
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: the regular season. You could see he wasn't ready, He

827
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: wasn't into it, he wasn't himself. Started this season slowly,

828
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 2: but after the All Star break, like Julius Randall, they

829
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: picked it up a notch. He shot forty four point

830
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: seven from three after the All Star break, you know,

831
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: going thirty seven percent before the All Star break. You

832
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: don't often see that unless it's these games that don't

833
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: mean anything for a lot of these teams where a

834
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: guy gets way better. Those games did mean something for

835
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: the Minnesota Timberwolves. I think de Vincenzo's gonna have a

836
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: lot bigger role like the year before with the Knicks,

837
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: where we all were thinking, WHOA, they're getting a really

838
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: good guy here from the Knicks. He was fifteen and

839
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: a half, almost forces, almost three rebounds, near sixty percent

840
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: true shooting percentage forty percent from three. So the numbers

841
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: will be like that. He'll put forth some good numbers.

842
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: Will this team be good enough? I think that that

843
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: plays a part here in six man. Not all the time,

844
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: but I think it'll help the Timberwolves that they got

845
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: this guy who's going to play a ton.

846
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: So you're taking him over Nasrit Yeah, who obviously has

847
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: already won one of these.

848
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's going to score more. I think Deeven

849
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: Times could score a good him out.

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Speaker 1: Where are you going with this one? TK, I'm taking

851
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:28,959
Speaker 1: a nick.

852
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 3: I like Josh Hart ook for sixth Man of the

853
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: Year because he's technically the sixth man right now, but

854
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: he's just a sixth starter, so there are going to

855
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 3: be times when he's starting, and he's definitely going to

856
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: close games depending on the personnel for the other teams,

857
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 3: you know, Mitchell Robinson, foul trouble or availability. I think

858
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: is good news for Josh Hart. Last year he led

859
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 3: the league in minutes per game, finished second in total minutes.

860
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: That's not going to happen again because he's going to

861
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: be starting off the bench at least, but he's still

862
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: going to play a ton.

863
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: He's still going to produce a ton. Last year nine doubles.

864
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: He just fills up the box score, and I think

865
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: that that's something that's important when it comes to sixth man.

866
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: Like you do want to see high scoring totals, which

867
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 3: is why Devincenzo nas Reed are really good picks, but

868
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: I think Josh Hart's kind of do it all in

869
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: this puts him over the top for me.

870
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, DeAndrea Hunter, he probably will be starting right to

871
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: start with s truce out and then and then the

872
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: Celtics guys. I wish I knew who was coming off

873
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: the bench and who has really started, Like is it

874
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: Simon's and Pritchard howser, It's like they all. I would

875
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: have a case if I felt confident that they're coming

876
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: off the bench, but I'm not entirely sure, and I

877
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: think I'm not even sure Missoula is. At least in

878
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: preseason we've seen some sort of mix in a match

879
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: in here. I love the hard pick, but I'm actually

880
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: gonna go way off the board here and I'm gonna

881
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: go with khalil Ware. Wow. Yeah, Now is he starting

882
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: or not? Like he's not starting in the preseason here

883
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: besides Bam unless Bam wasn't playing, he started that game,

884
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: so he refuses to start him. He's been he looked

885
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: really good in preseason. This is the guy's numbers I

886
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: was looking at every season before we started the show. Guys,

887
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: tell me about his rebounding numbers. I know he got better.

888
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: I saw out of Miami heat tweet that said khalil

889
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: Ware has improved rebounding. It was just a rebound highlight.

890
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 3: He didn't do anything else, just grabbed a defensive rebound.

891
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 3: That looks awesome.

892
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: Well, he's averaging twenty and eleven in these four preseason

893
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: games that he's played. He's hitting three pointers. He's hit

894
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: like two per game in these games. Like, he does

895
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: look good. I'm like not joking here. I think he

896
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: should be starting, but for some reason Spoe wants to

897
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: like go smaller. So eleven off the bench. Jesus, Yeah,

898
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, and he came off the bench like

899
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: nearly fifty percent of the time last year. I don't know.

900
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: He could be starting, and this could look very foolish.

901
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: So I guess my other pick. I like the Josh Hart.

902
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: I like a Nick winning this. I think if I

903
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: ranked them, I would go I'd probably go Josh Hart,

904
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: that McBride, then Clarkson. I'm a little surprised Clarkson is

905
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: this high with these odds, but I'll go khalil where

906
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: just to keep things interesting.

907
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of makes sense that he's coming off

908
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 2: the bench in that they want to allow Nikola Yova

909
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: to play, but also Jimi Hawkas has been starting alongside

910
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: Norman Powell, because maybe you want a guy who's really

911
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: good offensively to come off the bench. You know that

912
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 2: either going to give the ball to and do something,

913
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: So maybe you're throwing Hawkes into the starting lineup. So

914
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: it's a decent one.

915
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: Plus twenty seven hundred I believe for where again dark

916
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: horse six Man of the Year pick. But let's hear

917
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: from you guys. This is a tough one because even

918
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: like ty Jerome, I think a lot of people would

919
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: be backing that. But we have the Ja Morant injury already.

920
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: Maybe he's back, maybe he's not early to start the season.

921
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: He gets slotted in there.

922
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: Who's starting on these teams Like Tary Easton I think

923
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: should be a factor here. Yeah he's a great player

924
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: for the Rockets, but there will be times where he starts,

925
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 2: but it's probably going to go to Jabari Smith Junior. Yeah,

926
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: I think so, and so Tyson will come off the

927
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: bench and that guy can shoot it.

928
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: I'm seeing Alan you here in the stream team saying

929
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: I'm taking PJ. Washington for six End of the year.

930
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: Dallas is another who's starting for this team. I think

931
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 3: he's twenty five to one right now and.

932
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: Still with us. Just could it be RJ. Barrett if

933
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't get traded. I guess it could be some numbers.

934
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: Or what team? Is he gonna be the six man

935
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: for the Toronto Raptors. Nah, don't you think.

936
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: He's gonna start the whole year? Yeah, it's tough. One's tough, man.

937
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: You gotta figure out what the lineups are. Yeah, and

938
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: then of course injuries come into play and guys get

939
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: slotted up and all that. That's why the nas Reid

940
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: one is probably the safest like sort of bet, Like

941
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: nas Reid is going to very likely just come off

942
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: the bench for eighty games. Yeah, right, have some monster games,

943
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 1: like you said, I'll have a couple thirty point games

944
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: here and there. Hit some big shots late, So that's

945
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: like the safe bet. But uh, you know, he just won.

946
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 1: Did he win last?

947
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: No?

948
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: He won two years ago, right, two years last. Yeah,

949
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: all right, let's go to Defensive Player of the Year

950
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: Victor Wemenyama the favorite minus won eighty five odds on

951
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: favorite and you got chet holmrid plus six fifty. I'm

952
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: and Thompson plus sixteen hundred, same with Anthony Davis and

953
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: then Dyson Daniels at plus two thousand. No Mobly on

954
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: this list, which is a little interesting. He won Defensive

955
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: Player of the Year las year. I don't think the

956
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: Cavs are going to fall off a cliff defensively, but Trey,

957
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: get it started where you going and then we can

958
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: get dark horse pack. That's Wenby.

959
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: The only question is if he hits the requirements on

960
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: games played. Last year, he led the league with one

961
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy six blocks. He played forty six games.

962
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: According to crazy Stats on Twitter, that is the fewest

963
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: games in NBA history to lead a major category points, rebounds, assists, steals,

964
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 3: and blocks played half the season led the league in blocks.

965
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 3: He's clearly the best defensive player in the league. He's

966
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: Dion sanders Esk and that he takes up half of

967
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: the court, and unfortunately for the offensive team, it is

968
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: the half underneath the basket. People are scared to attack

969
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: him in half court, people are scared to go against

970
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 3: him in fast break scenarios, and he can block three

971
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: pointers as well. So the only way Wemby doesn't win

972
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year until he's thirty years old.

973
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: Is if he doesn't play sixty five games.

974
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: This is an war that usually goes to a big guy.

975
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: Give it to the biggest game. This is his award

976
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: to lose if he doesn't reach that sixty five games

977
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: played number. Gosh hate talking about numbers so much, and

978
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: that's why this is maybe something that the NBA gets

979
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: rid of at some point. Do we have to play

980
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: sixty five games? Or maybe it's just at some point here,

981
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: especially since they signed this new TV deal, or maybe

982
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: everyone is a little less worried about tanking. Maybe just

983
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: get rid of it, because that's the whole reason for it.

984
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 2: But it was I do think Mitch Johnson, the head

985
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: coach of the Spurs, will allow him to do whatever

986
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: he wants. And Miss Johnson getting a training camp here

987
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: I think will help him with Wemby because they have

988
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: to be good defensively.

989
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: I was going to ask that. I was like, this

990
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: is the one fascinating part with the Webbinyama as Defensive

991
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: Player of Year pick, Like what if they are still

992
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: defensively as a team, you know, bottom third. I guess

993
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: they're this twenty seven defense that won't happen. They were

994
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: top five in defense when he plays. Yeah, yeah, okay,

995
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: but even then, like I think they could be, like

996
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: they could middle of the pack as a team, the

997
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: defensive stats and the metrics and all that and just

998
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: the highlights. Of course, guys are just terrified to shoot,

999
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: like don't try and shoot like an up and under

1000
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: against him, like he gobbles it up on the other

1001
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: side of the rim because his arms are so damn long. Yeah,

1002
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: but I was going to ask that, like how bad

1003
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: could he they still be as a team for him

1004
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: to win.

1005
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, his first year, they're a twenty second team ranking,

1006
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: and so that was my reason. You can't give it

1007
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: to this guy. Last year he had top five when

1008
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: he played. They were twentieth before he got injured, so

1009
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: they were really bad when he went to the bench.

1010
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: That being said, they should be way better with Louke

1011
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: Cornett being behind.

1012
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: French Vanilla and Cornet together French Vanilla, it's not bad. Really. Yeah,

1013
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: I forgot who came up with. That's the Internet for you.

1014
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, they're going to be way better. Some

1015
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: people said, well, does that actually hurt Wemby's case for

1016
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year because Blue Cornett beside you

1017
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: just just the fact that somebody comes off the bench,

1018
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: you can play defense, and so there's not the drop off.

1019
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: But I don't yeah, I don't get that. I mean, yeah,

1020
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: the team has to be good enough. The defenders around him.

1021
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: Maybe you can you can poke some holes. We'll see

1022
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: what Darion Fox can do out there. Devin Bissell has

1023
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: never been that steady Hairson Barnes is getting older. But

1024
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: you throw out Jeremy Sohan, you throw out Carter Bryant's

1025
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: gonna play at some point. He's freaking good. Nah, it's

1026
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: just about sixty five GP. Sixty five games played.

1027
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: The only number that matters for this one led the league,

1028
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: Blocks would have finished top fifty and steals and top

1029
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: five in defensive rebounds.

1030
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: What else do you want?

1031
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, French vanilla. And when he goes to the bench,

1032
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: they gotta sit down Bumbo. If they need a third guy,

1033
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: this mac Bambo can get a mode.

1034
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: See Bismack Bambo has the worst plus minus in NBA

1035
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: history since he came into the NBA.

1036
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: I saw this. He's been on a lot of bad teams,

1037
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: that seems. I saw you. Sure though there was a

1038
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: lot of bulls names. Who was it Levine. I forget that.

1039
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: The other was definitely Levine two All Stars. Why Vernie

1040
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: Mode does he say.

1041
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: When when Bambo was with the Raptors there he was

1042
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 3: convinced that song was sit down beyondb.

1043
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: Wow. You don't even know you're referencing.

1044
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: It's just.

1045
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: So Webby's winning this. But my dark horse pick is

1046
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: a guy that I sort of threw in there to

1047
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: start this conversation. It's Mobley. I mean, the guy did

1048
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: win last year. He was on the eighth ranked best

1049
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: defense in the league. They could be better. And this

1050
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: is the type of award we've seen overtime, at least

1051
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: where guys can like repeat three peat when four of

1052
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: these things in the past thirty years we had four

1053
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: separate guys Matumbo, Ben Wallace, Dwight Howard and Rudy Gobert

1054
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: win the award at least three times. So reputation matters

1055
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: when it comes with the DPOY at twenty five to

1056
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: one odds for a guy that just won the award,

1057
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: that's only going to get better and should still be

1058
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: on a good defense, I don't think it's that far fetched.

1059
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: If Webby doesn't hit sixty five, I think that's a

1060
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: great thing, right right, Yeah.

1061
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: There's a little dabble in there for Anthony Davis, who's

1062
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 2: never won one. It's a narrative like maybe he can

1063
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: depending what Dallas is. That all depends what Dallas is.

1064
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 2: But yes, if the voters come down to let's look

1065
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: at the top defensive teams, AD may receive some votes.

1066
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: Well that's interesting you bring that up, because again this

1067
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: is considering or hypothetically saying Wemby doesn't play sixty five

1068
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: and win this thing. Could the Miami Heat have a

1069
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: top five defense? I think maybe would Bam warrant some

1070
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: votes as sort of the lead guy there. Could the

1071
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: Magic have a top five defense? Yeah, they probably will.

1072
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: They probably will have the top defense. Who gets the

1073
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: accolade there? If it's like this idea of a team award,

1074
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: maybe Gellen sucks. Maybe that would sort of be like

1075
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: Dyson Daniels like I guess in that regard. And then

1076
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: my dark horse pick pick would be if the Clippers

1077
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: have a top five defense. Again, Avitza Zubots could warrant

1078
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: some some votes and he's like at plus ten thousand

1079
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: on this board here for sure, Defensive Player of the

1080
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: Year he had he had like basically the exact same

1081
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: defensive rating as Wemby last year, So he's really good

1082
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: on that end. It's not as sexy as Wemby highlights

1083
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: that we see defensively, but he is solid, very solid. Now.

1084
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: The concern is that the Clippers might lean towards more

1085
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: offensive centric players this year, and they have a lot

1086
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: more of them. But if Zoo keeps that defense in

1087
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: the top five, I think he could warrant some votes

1088
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: at the very least coach of the year. Let's do it.

1089
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: Moseley with the Magic plus six hundred, Snyder here in

1090
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: the Hawks, Peca plus six fifty, bicker Staff with the

1091
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: Pistons plus one thousand, same with Mike Brown with the Knicks,

1092
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: and then Ime Udoka plus thirteen hundred.

1093
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: Who wants to get a start question about Jamal more

1094
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: Moseley's zip up here that we see on the graphic.

1095
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: If we're looking at why all the specs all the time.

1096
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: It needs a lint roller. Yeah, tolerate Drake the lint roller.

1097
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: Good one. Uh back to because we have the Kendrick

1098
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: Lamar in there. Sit down beyond bo you're giving our

1099
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 2: friend Movernie the credit for coming up with sit down.

1100
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: Got into your brain. I'm sure you read it somebody. Yeah,

1101
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: I didn't. Well, I'm not from over any you know

1102
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: Overnie came up with it. No way. Okay, cool.

1103
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 2: People, I know I read it for sure from most

1104
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: Now somebody else, somebody.

1105
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: Else, mo yambo, What you got for Coach of the Year,

1106
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: None of those guys. Okay.

1107
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: Too many teams with expectations on there. You need the

1108
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: Magic to exceed expectations for Jamal Mostley to win. You

1109
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 3: need the Hawks to do it, you need the Detroit

1110
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 3: Pistons to do it. Of those three, those are kind

1111
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: of like the odds are saying, which Eastern Conference team

1112
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: do you think is going to overperform? I would take

1113
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 3: Quinn Snyder of the top three, but I'm going off

1114
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 3: the board for this. I think it's between Joe Mazzula

1115
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 3: and Rick Carlisle. ULA's fifteen to one, Carlisle is twenty

1116
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 3: five to one. Rick Carlisle hasn't won it since two

1117
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 3: thousand and two, and everybody agrees, Hall of Fame coach,

1118
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 3: one of the best in the league. Nobody expecting anything

1119
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: from the Pacers this year. They were one of my overs.

1120
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: I think they could exceed very low expectations. But Joe

1121
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: Mizula is officially my pick at fifteen to one plus

1122
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred. If the Celtics aren't bad, it's gonna because

1123
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 3: be because they run up and down the court and

1124
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: chuck threes. Yeah, and that's basically Joe Missoula ball. The

1125
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: guy also gives crazy press conferences. You know he's going

1126
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: to be hilarious with the media, and he will get

1127
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 3: a lot of credit for getting the most out of

1128
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 3: a team that took a real step back losing four

1129
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: of basically their top six players.

1130
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you look back at the previous Coach of

1131
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: the Year winners, there's three trends. It's either coach of

1132
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: the best team, which happens from time to time. Obviously,

1133
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: just like an elite team win sixty five plus games,

1134
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: give it to that coach coach with the biggest turnaround.

1135
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: That's usually first year coaches like slotted into a new opportunity.

1136
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: So maybe break Mike Brown with the Knicks, but they'd

1137
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: have to win a lot more games and then where

1138
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: you're going tray sort of this idea of like the

1139
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: coach with the biggest over achievement based on preseason expectations

1140
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: the Celtics, the Pacers because of injuries to their star guys,

1141
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: they're like sort of down in the Eastern Conference, and

1142
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: maybe they shock a lot of people and can get

1143
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: it done. Those are they They make sense both those

1144
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: picks to play that last trend. Oh, everybody thought they

1145
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: weren't going to be good and they're still good. That's

1146
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: great coaching.

1147
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the Missoula pick. I can see the

1148
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 2: narrative for it for sure. Also, Jaylen Brown is saying,

1149
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: we're tired, we're running so much right now, and so

1150
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 2: he's trying he's trying to get these guys to work harder.

1151
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: As his assistant coach Sam Cassel said, it's the hardest

1152
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: training camp I've ever seen.

1153
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 3: It.

1154
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: Will it resonate?

1155
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: I think they have so many scores, there's a possibility that, yeah,

1156
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: they could put up a lot of points. I'll lean

1157
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: towards the board here for guys that are expected to

1158
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: owe over produce, and it's Quinn Snyder for me for

1159
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Hawks. He's an innovative coach. I think you'll

1160
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: see Kristaps Porzingis in that slot. I think there'll be

1161
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 2: lots of methods that will get good storylines for him.

1162
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: And he's also been voted second and third in Coach

1163
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: of the Year voting before it maybe finally gets one here,

1164
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 2: so he is appreciated.

1165
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel a little bit like who wins

1166
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: the East right because or at least top two, let's say,

1167
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 1: because the Magic to get up there in the top two,

1168
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: they're winning probably ten to twelve more games. And last year,

1169
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: same with the Hawks. You know, the Pistons obviously maybe

1170
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: make that jump. And those are the three favorites right here.

1171
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: When it comes to this award, I'll go Moseley. I

1172
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: think we're getting to like, yeah, who do you sort

1173
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: of trust more? Is it going to be the Hawks

1174
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: or the Magic to win ten to twelve more games

1175
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: and sort of go up a level. I'll go Moseley

1176
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: as the favorite plus what six hundred? Yeah, not too

1177
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: bad either in terms of value.

1178
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 2: I think Mitch Johnson for the Spurs will get some votes.

1179
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: He's appreciated. This guy was just thrown into the fire

1180
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: last year. Hey, you're replacing Pop all of a sudden.

1181
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: This year he's got a training camp and if they're good,

1182
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: then he gets the votes for sure. I wonder if

1183
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: Tyler will ever win one. He's a great coach, he's

1184
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: never won one.

1185
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: No, Eric Spolster still has never won one. But yeah,

1186
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: maybe this is the year if it's open and they

1187
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: shock a lot of people. He's up plus two thousand

1188
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: with body candidates. Yeah. Yeah.

1189
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 3: Roberto Aguilar saying here in the stream team, if anyone

1190
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: outside of okay See wins the West, they should probably

1191
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 3: win Coach of the Year.

1192
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: That's not bad, right, Battleman, Yeah yeah, Finchinchy yeah yeah, yeah,

1193
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: maybe it's the Maybe it's Reddick with the Lakers. I guess, sure,

1194
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: a little far fetched. Maybe TYLERU. Yeah, that's good way

1195
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: to put outside the yep.

1196
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 3: Basically, one guy's not gonna win it. Kenny Atkinson Yeah yeah,

1197
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: because no one's ever gone back to back. He has

1198
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 3: the same odds as the Nets Bowls, JAZ and Wizards coach. Yeah,

1199
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: even though yeah, obviously the Caves are gonna be good.

1200
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: Repeat winners do not happening, coach.

1201
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: Right, No, No, I mean even Mark Dagnoll was a

1202
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: great example of that. They won sixty eight games last year.

1203
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: We're setting records left in right, missing key guys obviously

1204
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: just showing off. Incredible depth all that, and it's like, no,

1205
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: you can't win again. They were already good. We already

1206
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: gave him Coach of the Year two years ago. Can't

1207
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: do it too again. It's a great point. Can you

1208
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: be in solo? All right? Our final award here, I

1209
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: guess it's a part of the major awards now, Clutch

1210
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: Player of the Year blessings. Yes, that's right, Brunson is

1211
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: your favorite. Plus eight fifty Anthony Edwards plus nine hundred

1212
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: Sam with Durant and you got Luca and Jokic rounding

1213
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: out our list here by way of FanDuel plus one thousand.

1214
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: This is this is so, he's a funny award to

1215
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: try and predict. Who do you think is going to

1216
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: do well in the clutch? Do you think's it'd be

1217
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: awesome in the last two minutes of a game? Who's

1218
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: won this thing? We started with Fox, we had Korean

1219
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,479
Speaker 1: and then we had Brunson. Last year three Clutch Player

1220
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: of the Year winners. Okay, so can Brunson make history

1221
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: back to that for the first time ever? Yeah?

1222
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: What do you think he's got a chance? I'm taking

1223
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 3: Trey Young plus fifteen hundred and fifteen to one Odds

1224
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 3: finished fourth and Clutch Player of the Year voting. Last season,

1225
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: the Hawks went twenty one and twenty twenty one and

1226
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: twenty in the clutch. Believe it or not, they were

1227
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: five hundred in the clutch. Still, that's the eighth most

1228
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: wins in the clutch last season. I think they got

1229
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: a better team this year. Therefore, they will have more wins.

1230
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 3: And I still think Trey will be the main guy

1231
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 3: when it comes clutch time handling the ball. Making plays

1232
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: are more likely pulling it from thirty feet, hitting the

1233
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: cool game winners that make their way around.

1234
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: The highlight factories. So yeah, Trey Young for me a

1235
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: little bit off the board.

1236
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 3: But the guy's a clutch player and he's going to

1237
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to show his stuff this year with

1238
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: the Hawks taking a step forward.

1239
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: I'll take Steph Curray. He's clutch. Yeah, he's good, a

1240
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: good pick.

1241
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they'll get to the last few minutes

1242
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: and they'll give him the ball. We'll see a lot

1243
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: of Al Horford passing to Steph Currey to shoot that thing.

1244
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: They got to win games, and I think Steph is

1245
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: gonna put it on his shoulders to score on this team.

1246
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: He just already wanted you forget about that. I forget

1247
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: about I.

1248
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: Just forget about Yeah, I forget about this award. Yeah yeah, Yeah, that's.

1249
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: Funny how we go through it. But yeah, Steph's if

1250
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: there's anybody who should win it multiple times, no disrespect

1251
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 2: to dearon Fox and Jalen Brunson. It's Steph.

1252
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 3: So survey, I think you got the most votes for

1253
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: who you want with the ball at the end of

1254
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: the game.

1255
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: Right, it's a good pick.

1256
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: It's a good one.

1257
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: I can't I can't wait for this award, Like how

1258
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: long will it take? I don't know, maybe five or

1259
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: six more seasons, where then we'll have debates like can

1260
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: you believe so and so has never won clutch Player

1261
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: the Leader? How does Yolk never had a clutch player there?

1262
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: How is SGA never had? You know, for example, it's

1263
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna happen my pick purely because of narrative reasons. Give

1264
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: me Kevin Durant, and they basically went and got this

1265
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: guy for this reason. Hey, we need clutch shot. I

1266
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: believe he can still hit those shots because he's unstoppable

1267
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: getting to his spot rising up. So, yeah, Katie, I

1268
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: think the rockets are gonna win a lot of games.

1269
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: He just needs a couple of game winners under his belt. Obviously,

1270
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: the stats and the opportunity, that's a part of it.

1271
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: I guess that's why, like maybe Sja is not even

1272
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: on this list, maybe even Jokic lower. It's like you

1273
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: do have to be in like close games like to

1274
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: give yourself a chance to help your stats. Right, So yeah,

1275
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll go Katie though.

1276
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so he didn't have those last year, No, no,

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Speaker 2: couldn't join the fun.

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00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: All right, those are our picks for the seven awards.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear from you guys, your main picks and then

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00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: your dark horse picks and all that fun. Got a

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00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: little bit of new Yeah, I love for the Hustle Award.

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00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: The best player of the Heir Award is ridiculous. How

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00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: about the Hustle Award? Yeah? Can you bet on the

1284
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: Hustle Award? I didn't see it.

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00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know who the defending Hustle Award winner of.

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Speaker 1: The Erayson Daniels. It's not.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised because of course, as everybody knows, the ward

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01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: has decided using a metric known as Hustle Stats, which

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Speaker 3: tracks defensive and offensive efforts such as diving for loose balls,

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01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: taking chargers, deflections, setting screens, and contesting.

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01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that. Everybody knows that Marcus Smart has won

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01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: a couple of these. He's a three times Okay, he's

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01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 1: coming back this year. He hasn't played a lot. Yes, sure,

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01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: ears Draymond Green one. Draymond is the is the raining

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01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: defend me? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: All that diving he was doing last year, really about

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Speaker 3: diving Daniels.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he'll be the guy. Get your picks in. If

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Speaker 1: this I had to pick, Yeah, I take Daniels. I'm

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Speaker 1: in Thompson maybe. Okay, deflections I'm going on. Oh that's

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Speaker 1: what Dyson Daniels did last king everybody, Yeah, man, what

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Speaker 1: are these stats? Do we have more stats coming? I

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01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: saw stats. I saw my first dunk school raft Johnny Fury.

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01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: Oh that was nice. Seven anything over one hundred year

1305
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: living the life. That was a big est good Yeah

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01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: that guy. Get f man.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: We got a little bit of news before we wrap

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Speaker 1: this up. Unfortunate news for Kings fans, Rinse and repeat.

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Speaker 1: Kings forward Keegan Murray sidelined for more than a month

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01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: after injuring his left thumb In a preseason game, the

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01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: team said Murray will be reevaluated in four to six weeks.

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Speaker 1: Task is not a good start to the second mount

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Speaker 1: of King Seon. They do not have a lot of

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01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: power forwards or like forwards in general here to sort

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01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: of slot in here. I can't wait to see what

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01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: Doug Christy decides on. But this sucks especially we all

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01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: have the over for Sacramento. Yeah, may want to take

1319
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: what's the worst that could happen?

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Speaker 3: Well, a guy got hurt right away at the most

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01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 3: irreplaceable position.

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01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe they're I mean, I know kelan Ellis

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01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: is good, but King Murray is probably their best defensive

1324
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: player in terms of like you are putting them on

1325
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: wing guys god size. He can shoot too. He's trying

1326
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: to get a contract. That's another part of this whole thing.

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01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: His rookie extension. Bad timing for him, bad time for

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Speaker 1: the Kings.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, what do you think it's terrible that they don't

1330
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: have a big wing to replace him?

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01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: Really?

1332
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: Are we going to see some Dario sarch minutes out there?

1333
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: Are they going to go?

1334
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: I know, I know it's slow. It's an option, Drew

1335
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 2: you banks if they want to go huge because they

1336
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 2: don't have they don't have height. But I think it

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01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,959
Speaker 2: is Nieck Clifford time.

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Speaker 1: Oh you think so?

1339
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, now doesn't really have the height for that big

1340
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 2: of a spot. They're going to be a little undersized,

1341
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: Like three four will be him and DeRozan h if

1342
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: he's out there, but he's an older rookie, you know,

1343
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: five year college player. He's got the wingspan. I think

1344
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 2: he just he gets after it from what I've watched

1345
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 2: in any minute, so I think he would be the

1346
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 2: guy you can stretch the floor a little bit. But

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01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: it is terrible news around We're gonna are we going

1348
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 2: to see a guy that we watched last year in

1349
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: G League basketball here in Atlanta and then with the

1350
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 2: Atlanta Hawks Daikon Plowden get minutes. I mean they are

1351
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: They're desperate. They're desperate for a lock in guy. And

1352
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: that's why I think nee Clifford are twenty three years

1353
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: old FI year players probably the guy to do it.

1354
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: It's it's possibility. Their four starters are shrewder Levine, DeRozan,

1355
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: and Sibonis. And then the options here Trey are like, yeah,

1356
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: do you size up, you go big or do you

1357
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: go try and just play super sort of fast and small,

1358
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: and maybe that's maybe that's even Malik Munk or Keon

1359
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: Ellis or maybe Clifford. What do you think, Doug Christina

1360
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 1: the Kings will do here?

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01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: I think they should start their other rookie, Maxine Reino.

1362
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah he's like seven feet tall.

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01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah he got a chance. I think he's been wearing

1364
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: the starter's jersey.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, and the other guys haven't. What

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01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 3: I think they will probably do is go with Kean Ellis,

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01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 3: get a little defense in there, even if it is

1368
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 3: perimeter defense, to make it tougher supposedly for teams to

1369
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 3: score on Sibonis inside. But this is just a disaster

1370
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: for the Kings. Losing Keegan Murray is like the one

1371
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 3: spot they couldn't lose. He may be their best wing defender,

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01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 3: and he's just an okay wing defender. He hasn't even

1373
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 3: shot it all that well. Like you said, he's got

1374
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 3: his extension coming up. The deadline is October twentieth. Who

1375
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 3: knows how this affects that, but not good and definitely

1376
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 3: not good for over thirty four and a half wins.

1377
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: This should be a sign for the Kings. It's time

1378
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: to blow it up.

1379
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 3: We should trade de Rosen, we should try and trade Sabonis.

1380
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 3: Good luck with Levigne. I don't know if that could happen,

1381
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 3: but that's not really been the King's mo in the

1382
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: past couple of seasons, so I don't think that that's

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01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 3: what they'll do.

1384
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Keegan was thrown in there as a rook

1385
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: so that's why I think Nie Cleffer could just imitate.

1386
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 1: That is amazing as a rookie. Yeah, shut the lights,

1387
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: and didn't he set the record of three and down,

1388
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: down down downtown ever since?

1389
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: And Yeah, it is all about how much he'll miss here,

1390
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: because it's even four to six weeks, and it's he'll

1391
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: be reevaluated in four to six weeks with the UCL injury.

1392
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 1: So if it's short, that's all right.

1393
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 2: But if it is six weeks, you miss three games

1394
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 2: against ok see three games against Denver when you don't

1395
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: have a big defender and Sabonis who isn't a rim

1396
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: defender at the five, maybe they go Rao, just have

1397
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 2: a lot of height. Yeah, becaus Clifford is only sixty five.

1398
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, my league Monk is tiny. Ken Elis is probably

1399
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: six four six five. He's a dog. Yeah, sorry, no,

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01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: thank you.

1401
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1402
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,479
Speaker 1: They wish they had Trey Lyles still on the roster,

1403
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: that's right, but he's in I think he's in Barcelona, Madrid, Madrid,

1404
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: a lot of.

1405
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 3: Ben Simmons give him a call. I think you would

1406
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 3: want to play in Sacramento to Westbrook, yeah time. Yeah,

1407
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 3: I mean they still do want Westbrook, but unfortunately a

1408
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 3: guard as well.

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01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 3: Doug McDermott, he's on this team. Yeah, first time with

1411
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 3: the Kings.

1412
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: Seems like he's been a King is life? Yeah, weird.

1413
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 2: I thought this would be a second time around.

1414
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: I heard Deuce and Mo obviously a great Kings podcast.

1415
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: They were mentioning the tough schedule for the Kings to

1416
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: start this season. You sort of alluded to it. They

1417
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: have nine games combined against the Thunder, the Nuggets, and

1418
01:05:54,080 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: the Timberwolves before American Thanksgiving, So like maybe the you know,

1419
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: no disrespect of the Rockets and other teams that could

1420
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 1: get in the mix. Those are three of the best

1421
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: teams in the league. Okay, see Denver and Minnesota, and

1422
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: they play them nine combined times before the end of November.

1423
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: That's nuts.

1424
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that sucks, but you're probably picking those

1425
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 3: teams over the Kings even if Murray's healthy.

1426
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's gonna be It's gonna be one. Yeah,

1427
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: it would be the problem. Yeah. Not a great start

1428
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: here for Kings fans. But hey, anyoney want to change

1429
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: their over underpick It doesn't look good. You can't autographic

1430
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: has an emoji by it. What was the line? Thirty

1431
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: four and four and a half. Don't worry, they can

1432
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: It'll be nice. He'll be healthy come March. That's the time.

1433
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: That's March. That's right. Okay, we're gonna call it their

1434
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: fun show again, one of my favorites. We do all

1435
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: season long, making our NBA war predictions, hit the Like Fund, subscribe,

1436
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: five star ratings and reviews. Plan is for us to

1437
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday. We're gonna do some NBA team

1438
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: tier ranking. I'm gonna slot all the teams in here,

1439
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: slot them in, get into a little bit of debate

1440
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: of who's the best of the best, and go all

1441
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: the way down the line. That'll be on Wednesday at

1442
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: ten am Eastern. Hope to see you then till then,

1443
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: Clipper bros. You heard it here first. Have a great time.

1444
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: Turn up love you guys. Awesome, thanks for joining us.

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01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 2: And remember, Executive of the Year is an award that

1446
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 2: goes to one person we didn't predict. I think I

1447
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: gotta scrap it. It's a team, it's a front office award.

1448
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,479
Speaker 2: They gotta do multiple guys. It should just be Executives

1449
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 2: of the Year.

1450
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: Okay, who you're picking? I'm picking You're picking the Nuggets.

1451
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought you were going Atlanta.

1452
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, thanks a slight respect. Yeah that I think

1453
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 2: for him, he'd probably be a solo guy. But I

1454
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: think it's gonna go to the Nuggets. Ben Tanzer, I'm saying,

1455
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: is right, name right? And Jonathan Wallace.

1456
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: John Wallace, he's playing for the Raptors.

1457
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 3: He is an.

1458
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: Autograph right was his an?

1459
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: I thought it was Vince Garnis. Yeah, I was told

1460
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,959
Speaker 2: this was Vince. What a weird story that trade?

1461
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: Who you taking for Executives the year?

1462
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 3: Tourist Carnists brought back Gideon Future, m v P, Matus

1463
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 3: Boozellisacort Brace

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Speaker 1: The Name People,