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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Season eighteen, episode number seventy one. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the latest edition of The Break. We're life from
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Speaker 1: but I got the rest of the crew with me.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us Amber Garcia, and today is a big
Speaker 1: picture day. We'll take a look around some different topics
Speaker 1: around the Cowboys, give you guys some perspective. Brian's got
Speaker 1: a game for us that we have for you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we will get to here and maybe the second maniment
Speaker 1: before we do that, though, I wanted to start today's
Speaker 1: show talking a little bit about what happened last night
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. I'll say this for myself,
Speaker 1: watching Philadelphia lose made me feel just a tad bit
Speaker 1: better about what happened the night before, because I kind
Speaker 1: of assumed in my mind the NFC East was lost.
Speaker 1: What's gone? All right? Yeah, well once Green once you
Speaker 1: lost the Green Bay, I'm like, okay, this must be done.
Speaker 1: And then last night you see a little crack in
Speaker 1: the armor. And now Phillies too, still just two games
Speaker 1: ahead of you. You still have a game against them,
Speaker 1: and what you start seeing is CNFC East is gonna
Speaker 1: be tough, not just for the Cowboys but for every team,
Speaker 1: including Philadelphia. My question for you guys is did anything
Speaker 1: change in your minds regarding those two teams that played
Speaker 1: last night or just the NFC East in general after
Speaker 1: you watch last night's game. Well, that was one of
Speaker 1: my questions that I had for you guys. Today, we
Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, we can answer this one. And because
Speaker 1: one of the questions I had for you guys was
Speaker 1: should the Cowboys be worried about teams figuring it out
Speaker 1: for the playoff race? And I had Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Washington,
Speaker 1: San Francisco. You know, should the Cowboys be worried about they?
Speaker 1: And we start to talk about the big picture of
Speaker 1: things that all of a sudden, you know, maybe there's
Speaker 1: some things you're dealing with and other teams are kind
Speaker 1: of like you know, Tampa Bay wins at Germany. UH.
Speaker 1: San Francisco finds a way to win a game without
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo throwing a touchdown pass Green Bay. Is that
Speaker 1: a mirage what they did in their game? You know,
Speaker 1: I know last night the Commanders. I know one thing
Speaker 1: about the Commanders. They won't let you run the ball. Nope,
Speaker 1: they will not let you run the football. They are
Speaker 1: and one of the one of the worst rushing days
Speaker 1: you had as a Cowboy team this year was against
Speaker 1: the Commanders. And that's with Pollard and Zeke playing in
Speaker 1: that football game. So that kind of shows you if
Speaker 1: you know, they figure things out with quarterback wise there,
Speaker 1: I think that you know that, you know, Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: is due back. He don't know why you would play
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. If you're the Commanders, you know, just keep
Speaker 1: keep going with you know you're winning. You're five and
Speaker 1: five with this guy. Just keep going. The Giants they
Speaker 1: look better coached, they're committed team, They win close games.
Speaker 1: You know, the Eagles last night showed me a little
Speaker 1: bit of like that certain personnel that they don't have,
Speaker 1: whether that's Jordan Davis, guys like that. Oh, maybe you
Speaker 1: can run the ball on them, you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: can find a way. The Texans ran the ball on
Speaker 1: them very very well. Yeah. So I think that everybody
Speaker 1: in this division kind of has their wartz. I think
Speaker 1: they all have their like hmm, if we could overcome
Speaker 1: this will be okay. But can we or is this
Speaker 1: the fatal flaw that's going to knock us out of
Speaker 1: the division race or the playoffs. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: the Eagles have been playing really good, but they had
Speaker 1: it come and I didn't think it was going to
Speaker 1: happen last night against the Commanders, but it did. So
Speaker 1: that was good. But you know, we talked about when
Speaker 1: we were about to face the Eagles. Brian brought up
Speaker 1: the whole point of how they perform in the second half.
Speaker 1: And I think that has been a trend that they
Speaker 1: kept up with. It's just they just don't perform as
Speaker 1: well in the second half for whatever the reason. And
Speaker 1: the thing is, we're getting to that point where, yes,
Speaker 1: teams are starting to figure out other teams and that
Speaker 1: goes back to us the Cowboys, And that's my biggest
Speaker 1: concern is now on defense, what the Cowboys are doing
Speaker 1: against the run, what they're not doing. Let's just say
Speaker 1: what they're not being able to do against the run,
Speaker 1: and just having that as a demonstration that other teams
Speaker 1: came use to look back at yesterday, Well, no, yesterday
Speaker 1: Sunday's game, look back at Sunday's game. See what the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers were doing, and I'll take that and
Speaker 1: kind of apply that when they face the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be a problem. That doesn't you know.
Speaker 1: Listening to then Quinn talked to the media yesterday. His
Speaker 1: response usually I love everything that comes out of his mouth,
Speaker 1: but his response, they didn't necessarily give me a lot of,
Speaker 1: you know, hope or excitement or like thought that this
Speaker 1: could be fixed rather soon or like quickly. It was
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, we know we got the right kind
Speaker 1: of guys. They can do it, but they just haven't
Speaker 1: done it just yet. So I don't have much help
Speaker 1: in that, and I am concerning that whole aspect of
Speaker 1: what the run defense is. But back to your point, Derek,
Speaker 1: I think we definitely are at a point where okay,
Speaker 1: now football is gonna get real good. Now it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a really competitive season. And the Giants, Ryan, you
Speaker 1: mentioned them, and it's crazy because it's not just catching
Speaker 1: up to the Eagles and beating them. It's all so
Speaker 1: the Giants And now I mean you got the Commanders.
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll rise to the top competitive as well.
Speaker 1: The hope you have that you can figure it out
Speaker 1: is really what happened with the Commanders last night and
Speaker 1: what happened to him several weeks ago when they played
Speaker 1: the Eagles before, they gave up nine sacks. The first
Speaker 1: time they played last night, they gave up three. They
Speaker 1: figured out that, like, oh okay, now this is how
Speaker 1: we pass protect. Maybe it is the quarterback. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: the running game having Robinson back. Maybe it is Terry
Speaker 1: mclara and those guys Dots and on the outside over there.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe all those things. But that gives
Speaker 1: you hope if you're the if you're a team that's
Speaker 1: looking like we couldn't pass protect the first time we
Speaker 1: played these guys, and to really only give up three sacks,
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, that's pretty That shows you
Speaker 1: that they kind of figured a little something out there
Speaker 1: about playing the playing the Eagles. Yeah, I'll throw this out.
Speaker 1: I heard last week Jimmy Johnson was giving an interview
Speaker 1: and he's had something really interesting that I think, for
Speaker 1: me was validated last night. What he said was, if
Speaker 1: you notice how Philadelphia goes to your point, Brian, how
Speaker 1: Philadelphia kind of plays well in the first half and
Speaker 1: then it seems like they run into this brick wall.
Speaker 1: He said that offense is so unique in what it does.
Speaker 1: It has been what his thought is, it's been taking
Speaker 1: teams that first half to kind of figure out after
Speaker 1: watching it, after playing against it, to kind of figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's what they're doing, here's what we need to stop.
Speaker 1: And once that happens and the second half, teams have
Speaker 1: played a lot better against him, he said, He'll be
Speaker 1: The interesting part is what happens when teams get a
Speaker 1: chance to play him a second time. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: we saw last night, phil I mean, Washington got a
Speaker 1: chance to play them for a second time and they
Speaker 1: didn't look near as lethal as they looked the first time.
Speaker 1: That's the part where he was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm buying into this Philadelphia team because they have
Speaker 1: a gimmicky type of offense. And when team when you
Speaker 1: have a gimmicky type of offense, it can work for
Speaker 1: you for a while. At some point teams catch up
Speaker 1: and that's what we'll have to watch over these next
Speaker 1: several weeks. And as you say at Amber, maybe the
Speaker 1: same thing can be said about the Cowboys defense as well,
Speaker 1: like it kind of is all predicated on their ability
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback. Well, if you take that
Speaker 1: part out of the game, does that now kill you
Speaker 1: because you can't stop the run? Now is when football
Speaker 1: gets really really interesting, as you mentioned. So here's the
Speaker 1: question for you guys. If you have to look at
Speaker 1: every team in the NFC East and basically rate them
Speaker 1: from worst matchup for the Cowboys to easiest matchup for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, how would you rate them? That's a great question.
Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia is the most difficult because of all
Speaker 1: the weapons they do have. I think tactically defensively, the
Speaker 1: Commanders give you a lot of problems because they can
Speaker 1: cover and they can create turnovers, so that would be
Speaker 1: a problem. And then I think the Giants would be
Speaker 1: third because they've somehow figured out how to win Layton
Speaker 1: games if it's close, so I would go Philly Commanders
Speaker 1: Giants is what I would is how I would rank them.
Speaker 1: But I think they all they all have something that
Speaker 1: very unique because of like say, personnel with the Eagles,
Speaker 1: the defense with the Commanders, and then that ability to
Speaker 1: finish off games with the Giants. I would like to
Speaker 1: give you something different, but I absolutely agree with that.
Speaker 1: And I think although the Cowboys, I do believe that
Speaker 1: they can be Philadelphia next time we face them on
Speaker 1: what is it, Christmas, Christmas Eve, Christmas Eve, Christmas Eve,
Speaker 1: I think they can definitely beat them, but they will
Speaker 1: they can give you the most issue just because of
Speaker 1: what we talked about in the past, the combination between
Speaker 1: the running game and their quarterback and their quarterback being
Speaker 1: a mobile guy that can get out of the pocket
Speaker 1: and run, and that clearly is the part of the
Speaker 1: game where this defense struggles the most and when you
Speaker 1: don't have and we'll see how the offense it's performing
Speaker 1: from this point on forward if they do this side
Speaker 1: too out a wide receiver or whatever happens at the
Speaker 1: receiver position. But right now, you have to make sure
Speaker 1: in all of those games you're offense is being able
Speaker 1: to score points and not get back into that like
Speaker 1: hitting that wall where you're just not really moving the
Speaker 1: chains and now you're taking a step back rather than forward.
Speaker 1: Which I thought was going to be the turning point.
Speaker 1: Was that Bears game to me against Chicago, what they
Speaker 1: did there, I started thinking, Okay, here we go. We
Speaker 1: got the perfect the perfect combination here, the perfect recipe.
Speaker 1: But then what you saw in Green Bay, even though
Speaker 1: they scored points and kept it competitive, It's just there
Speaker 1: are a lot of unanswered questions that they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to figure out soon. I concerned to you, guys at
Speaker 1: this point about Washington because if you look at the
Speaker 1: schedule coming up the next two games, the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: teams that have better records than they do. You can
Speaker 1: say what you want about the Giants, you have the
Speaker 1: Cowboys beat them right now. They have a better record
Speaker 1: than they do. Obviously, got play the Minnesota Vikings this week.
Speaker 1: That being said, how concerned are you that Washington's not
Speaker 1: far off you? There are a game and a half
Speaker 1: behind you at this point. I'm much concerned. I'm very
Speaker 1: concerned because I think they're good defensively. I think that
Speaker 1: they and they've They've got Chase Young back and I
Speaker 1: think that helps them in a lot of ways. And
Speaker 1: their secondary I think they find ways to cover. They
Speaker 1: have a lot of confidence in this quarterback. You know
Speaker 1: that that makes a huge difference when you start to
Speaker 1: talk about when you look at the Commanders, you could
Speaker 1: always say that with Carson Wentz, he was going to
Speaker 1: make mistakes, he was going to drop the ball in
Speaker 1: the pocket, he was going to fumble. There is a
Speaker 1: belief that that Taylor Heineke can get it done. He's
Speaker 1: one I mean, he's he's finished games. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is the one guy that when it's when it's been tough,
Speaker 1: he's come up with plays. They don't score a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot of points, but they find a way
Speaker 1: and that that concerns me because, like I said, the
Speaker 1: one team you looked really bad running the football against
Speaker 1: was the Commander You know, that front it could be very,
Speaker 1: very difficult to block. And we'll see, we'll see what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys offensive line situation is at that point. You know,
Speaker 1: will will there be I don't know if it will
Speaker 1: necessarily be the same line that we're talking about today
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys that we'll play in that game. At
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Yeah, I'm not extremely concerned,
Speaker 1: but I'm keeping my eyes on them for sure, because
Speaker 1: this is definitely you're at the part of the season
Speaker 1: where I think this is a turning point for everyone
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You either start picking up some steam
Speaker 1: or you start losing your shine, And this is where
Speaker 1: things kind of started taking a turn. So the fact
Speaker 1: that they beat the happened last year with the Cowboys offensively,
Speaker 1: everything that went is going good and went south. It
Speaker 1: happens every year till a lot of teams, teams are right.
Speaker 1: There's there are some teams right now that are not
Speaker 1: that good that people think are not that good, that
Speaker 1: are going to get on a run. I think Tampa.
Speaker 1: So I think Tampa's one of those teams too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens in the next few weeks.
Speaker 1: But I mean, just the fact that they finally someone
Speaker 1: beat the Eagles. I mean, you gotta look at a
Speaker 1: team like the Commanders and what they're currently doing and
Speaker 1: see if they start trying of changing the narrative here. Yea,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take our first break when we
Speaker 1: come back. We're gonna get into a little game Brian
Speaker 1: asked for so we'll do that when come right back.
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Speaker 1: got okay, uh and bar great. First question for you today?
Speaker 1: Which helps the Cowboys right now fix the run defense?
Speaker 1: Or at Odell Beckham Odell. I mean, yes, there are
Speaker 1: concerning issues on the defense right now, but I still
Speaker 1: have you make that fase there. I'm sorry, I hate
Speaker 1: to see it, but I do think there's more talent
Speaker 1: on defense overall. I think that with Dan Quinn, and
Speaker 1: yes this is an area he doesn't seem to find
Speaker 1: the answer just yet, but you got the bodies somewhat.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I think I'd rather score
Speaker 1: more points on offense. And I think you can clearly
Speaker 1: see some of the struggles at the wide receiver position,
Speaker 1: and adding a guy like him, we would have to
Speaker 1: see where he's at physically. But if he's back in
Speaker 1: shape and all that, that dynamic player, I think definitely
Speaker 1: just gives a whole new life to the offense. I
Speaker 1: don't disagree from the standpoint. It does change the dynamics
Speaker 1: of the offense. However, I am a big believer. And
Speaker 1: if you cannot stop the run, you'll take this defense
Speaker 1: that we think is a very good defense and you'll
Speaker 1: turn them into a very pedestrian defense because they'll never
Speaker 1: get to use their superpower. The superpower is go get
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Yeah, teams are basically saying you can't go
Speaker 1: get the quarterback because we're just gonna keep running the ball.
Speaker 1: And I don't care. Here's the deal, they don't even
Speaker 1: care how much of a lead you get. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna keep running the ball. When you get to that
Speaker 1: kind of scenario, that means every team in the league
Speaker 1: knows it's a problem. And by the way, when you
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, like right Now Cowboys can make
Speaker 1: it work against the Lions. They can make it work again,
Speaker 1: it's the Bears. They can still beat those teams even
Speaker 1: though they give up a ton of yards on the ground.
Speaker 1: And I know Nick was saying, it's not killing them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not killing them against those teams. But when you
Speaker 1: play a team that has a tactical surgeon at quarterback
Speaker 1: and you'd tell him, hey, I'm gonna have you throw
Speaker 1: half the number of times, but on those I need
Speaker 1: you to hit a dime right the other day, they
Speaker 1: can do it. And they can do it like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball all day and then I
Speaker 1: got ten plays I gotta actually just like make that
Speaker 1: perfect pass. And by the way, in those ten plays,
Speaker 1: most likely the defense is not ready for it because
Speaker 1: you've been running it. So they're all just frazzle trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how we're gonna stop this around, how
Speaker 1: we're gonna stop this running infore you know it, Bam,
Speaker 1: receiver passed you. That's why you get those receivers open.
Speaker 1: I just think this is a big and I've been
Speaker 1: saying it since week three. Yeah, like Cowboys need to
Speaker 1: learn how to stop the run. And it keeps getting
Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse because teams are realizing how
Speaker 1: bad they are at it, and teams are gonna keep
Speaker 1: challenging them. And I think that's there. I think that
Speaker 1: is the biggest problem that's facing this team right now,
Speaker 1: no question about it. What's interesting, though, because I was
Speaker 1: more on that whole thought of like, well, it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily killing them just yet, so I'll take that all day.
Speaker 1: But even in games like if you go back to
Speaker 1: Green Bay and you look at what they did, guess
Speaker 1: they were running the ball throughout the game, but they
Speaker 1: stayed in there like they kept them kind of put
Speaker 1: until the fourth quarter came. How differently would have been
Speaker 1: had the Cowboys scored when they needed to see I
Speaker 1: would I would have said, she's absolutely right about having
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham on fourth and three, because you'd have found
Speaker 1: a way to get him the ball, or you find
Speaker 1: a way to convert along the way. I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying, because the most demoralizing thing you could do
Speaker 1: to a team is run the football and they can
Speaker 1: do nothing about it. That's the most demoralizing thing that
Speaker 1: cold weather games turned to really cold standing on the
Speaker 1: sidelines when the other team's just running the ball on
Speaker 1: you and you can't do anything about it. But but but
Speaker 1: here's here's where I look at it. I actually think
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine its will end up winning
Speaker 1: their division, and I think there's a a chance at
Speaker 1: Dallas wherever they end up, just because of the fate
Speaker 1: of the football gods, they will have to go to
Speaker 1: San Francisco and play San Francisco. You play that team
Speaker 1: and you can't stop the run, your chances of winning
Speaker 1: that game go down significantly because they're gonna play good defense.
Speaker 1: And by the way, the way to beat them is
Speaker 1: make their quarterback have to beat you. If you never
Speaker 1: can get to a point in the game where you
Speaker 1: force their quarterback to have to win the game, good
Speaker 1: luck trying to beat that team. And that's my point.
Speaker 1: You get to these playoff games and either you're gonna
Speaker 1: be playing a team that if you can't stop them
Speaker 1: from running, you can't force him in that kind of situation,
Speaker 1: or they have a quarterback that if you put them
Speaker 1: in that situation for a few times a game, they're
Speaker 1: gonna make those critical throws and win that ball game.
Speaker 1: I just, I just I know Odell Beckham will do
Speaker 1: a lot for this offense. I know he will change
Speaker 1: the dynamics of this offense then, and that's all assuming
Speaker 1: he's healthy and can be the Oldell that we've seen
Speaker 1: in the past. But I just don't know if that's
Speaker 1: enough in the playoffs, if you can't stop the run,
Speaker 1: I'll take either one. Go for it. Derek. Yes, Jason
Speaker 1: Peters is now working at tackle only does that mean
Speaker 1: that Tyler Smith is going to move to guard eventually?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I saw nothing during training camp
Speaker 1: that suggested that they thought Tyler Smith was a better
Speaker 1: guard than Connor mcgovernor, and so that makes me. That
Speaker 1: makes me think unless unless they've seen something at tackle
Speaker 1: that translates to guard, which that's hard to do when
Speaker 1: he's been playing tackle. And I think, by the way,
Speaker 1: I think Connor mcgovernor has played pretty well this last game.
Speaker 1: He had some miscues, but great all the players. Looking
Speaker 1: at the whole season, I think he's had a really
Speaker 1: good season. I don't change that. I personally don't change
Speaker 1: the offensive line. But that all being said, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna put Tyron back in, that means to me that
Speaker 1: Tyler is going to the bench. It's my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: So you're saying he's not gonna play at all, He's
Speaker 1: gonna go to the bench. If if Tyron Smith comes back,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a player. Yes, if he's gonna be
Speaker 1: one of those two guys, is going to be a
Speaker 1: backup tackle. In my opinion, I just don't see a
Speaker 1: scenario where you flip him out when he hasn't shown
Speaker 1: during training like they wanted him in that spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he couldn't take mcgovernor's job and mc governor's played well.
Speaker 1: Good point, and bar Jason Peters working at tackle only
Speaker 1: means that Tyler Smith is moving to guard your opinion
Speaker 1: on that, No, I think I agree with Derek. And
Speaker 1: the thing is we're not looking at Connor my govern
Speaker 1: as a young player anymore, you know, but he still is.
Speaker 1: He's still a young player. So I think ideally you
Speaker 1: want to keep your guys where they're at and not
Speaker 1: or try to make the least changes as possible in
Speaker 1: the line, because that changes everything. The moment you change
Speaker 1: someone out, you know, the dynamic changes. You're not really
Speaker 1: working anymore with a person you've been communicating with the
Speaker 1: whole time. So even though they practice with each other
Speaker 1: all the time. It's I just I could see it happening.
Speaker 1: But I don't think so. I don't think so that
Speaker 1: they'll move, that they'll just maybe sitting here. I asked
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones this question about because he used to be
Speaker 1: at time. Stephen always talks about continuity into the best
Speaker 1: five and all that and playing it that way. The
Speaker 1: fact that they were interested in moving or getting Jason
Speaker 1: Peters and giving him reps at guard and letting him
Speaker 1: play guard and shuffling guys in and out, I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna move TI. I don't know this. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying this from what I'm I'm reading the tea leaves here.
Speaker 1: As they say, I think with Peters working at tackle,
Speaker 1: that's going to back up Tyran Smith, and then they're
Speaker 1: going to focus on and then McGovern is going to
Speaker 1: back up Tyler Smith or you know, at guard. Said
Speaker 1: it's not bad, it's not it's not bad enough to
Speaker 1: pull him out of the lineup. But I think they
Speaker 1: also want Tyler Smith to play, you know, I think
Speaker 1: they really do. I think they're like, listen, we could
Speaker 1: get him work at tackle, we get him work at guard.
Speaker 1: He you know, the majority of training camp was at guard.
Speaker 1: You're right, he didn't beat McGovern out, but I could
Speaker 1: see them saying, no, we need him playing, we need
Speaker 1: him playing, and or they could just say, you know,
Speaker 1: like we're happy to have Tyrn Smith back, but he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a backup. See. That's the way I look
Speaker 1: at it. More is and we were talking to see
Speaker 1: by Peter's moving now taking work at tackle. That's what
Speaker 1: gave me the thought that they're going to move Tyler Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know, That's just kind of where I
Speaker 1: was at right now. You know. The thing that I
Speaker 1: always think about, or not always that it just comes
Speaker 1: to mind when talking about this is professional players that
Speaker 1: have way more years of experience. For example, Sack Martin,
Speaker 1: he can definitely play both positions, but we saw him
Speaker 1: do it. But the fact that he voices no, this
Speaker 1: is this is where I want to be type of situation.
Speaker 1: We heard it even back in the day with Lyall
Speaker 1: Collins when he's like, no, I don't want to play there,
Speaker 1: I want to play here. So we've heard it with
Speaker 1: guys like that, and it leads me to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's really the difference here between the two positions like,
Speaker 1: so taking that I don't know if I'm making any sense,
Speaker 1: but taking those words into like, Okay, the scenario now
Speaker 1: with the younger player, what makes me think that a
Speaker 1: younger player would be comfortable doing that when a veteran
Speaker 1: guy with years and years of experience, because because the
Speaker 1: rookie player, the rookie player has no say, they absolutely don't.
Speaker 1: He has no saying. Maybe maybe when you get the
Speaker 1: skins on the wall, like Zach Martin, where you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, hey, I'll play tackle if you
Speaker 1: really want me to, but I would prefer not to
Speaker 1: play tackle, the kind of things yea, yea yeah, don't
Speaker 1: play wherever they need to play. But my thing is
Speaker 1: like performing can he give you what you need level wise?
Speaker 1: Like can he give you the type of game that
Speaker 1: you're looking for when you move him from tackle to
Speaker 1: guard and vice versa. I don't know, no, I see
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying. Okay, Ambar, are you going to
Speaker 1: see more big games from Cedee Lamb or was that
Speaker 1: just a one off? I hope we do. You see
Speaker 1: big games from him. I don't think it's a one
Speaker 1: off because we've seen him. I think we all agree
Speaker 1: that he has the talent. He can do it. It
Speaker 1: just hasn't been consistent, and it's it's either him or
Speaker 1: maybe it's the pass from the quarterback. So it's just
Speaker 1: getting on the same page, you know. It's not like
Speaker 1: it's all on him or all the other guy. It's
Speaker 1: been a combination of both things between him and whoever
Speaker 1: it's a quarterback, whether that was Cooper Rush or Dak Prescott. Now. So,
Speaker 1: I think if the season heads and takes a turn
Speaker 1: to the right way for the Cowboys, they can finally
Speaker 1: start clicking on offense and he can start shining as
Speaker 1: a receiver. But I do think he needs to help
Speaker 1: a number two as well. Michael Gallup needs to elevate
Speaker 1: his game as well for him to be more successful.
Speaker 1: It depends what do you call it a big game?
Speaker 1: Because obviously that was a career day eleven. He's got
Speaker 1: to do that all the time. One hundred yard games, yeah,
Speaker 1: hundred yard games, Okay, let's say somewhere between ninety and
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten every week. I think you're gonna see.
Speaker 1: It depends on how the Cowboys play it. If the
Speaker 1: Cowboys continue to want to run the ball, which they should.
Speaker 1: This last game they got out of whack. That's why
Speaker 1: his numbers were up. In my opinion, that's not what
Speaker 1: they should be doing. And that's not about Cede Lamb.
Speaker 1: That's about the quarterback, and that's that's more about I
Speaker 1: want to limit the amount of times I'm asking him
Speaker 1: to throw, and I want to run the ball more.
Speaker 1: If that happens, I think where the sweet spot is
Speaker 1: for Cede Lamb is five to six receptions, eighty yards
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. Like that's where his sweet spots should be.
Speaker 1: And if he's doing that, to me, that's probably a
Speaker 1: better that's a better recipe for this team for success
Speaker 1: than him putting up those one That means to me,
Speaker 1: if he's putting up those kind of numbers in most instances,
Speaker 1: that means they've been throwing the ball way too much.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to see it. Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to see that. I think their
Speaker 1: success this year has been about running the ball, play
Speaker 1: a defense. Yeah, I think you got that right. Okay,
Speaker 1: My final question for you guys here in this one,
Speaker 1: Derek has dan Quinn been masking problems all year and
Speaker 1: opponents are starting to figure it out. On defense. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's been masking it because we've been
Speaker 1: seeing this all year. Okay, I actually think it's just
Speaker 1: getting worse because teams have just decided, oh yeah, what
Speaker 1: they did, we could do the same thing. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was masking it so much. I
Speaker 1: just think the teams have figured out this is how
Speaker 1: you beat Dallas. This is what you do. At least
Speaker 1: this gives you the best chance to beat Dallas, and
Speaker 1: then you go in and see if you could do it.
Speaker 1: But if you can run the ball, you got a
Speaker 1: shot against Dallas. Ambar has he been masking the problems
Speaker 1: all year? I wouldn't used the word masking per se.
Speaker 1: I would just say it is what. It's the fact
Speaker 1: that it hasn't like going back to that. I don't
Speaker 1: it hasn't been killing you. You've been better at other things.
Speaker 1: You've been better at pressuring the quarterback, and that has
Speaker 1: been the part that has shined from your game, is
Speaker 1: pressuring and maybe getting some turnovers as well. That kind
Speaker 1: of has dropped down a little bit. I hope they
Speaker 1: can get better at that again. But I don't think
Speaker 1: it was more masking it just was the fact that
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily being as exposed, and now teams are
Speaker 1: taking advantage of that, which now reflects more on what
Speaker 1: you see happening on the game. I think you both man,
Speaker 1: I think you both made great points on this. I
Speaker 1: think what to Derek, the point you bring up about
Speaker 1: teams are like, listen, we can run the ball and
Speaker 1: just stay with Dallas because offensively Dallas, Yeah, they might
Speaker 1: drive it on you one time, they might drive it
Speaker 1: on you two times. They can't drive it on you
Speaker 1: three or four times. You know, they will make mistakes
Speaker 1: along the way, they'll get a holding, they'll get some
Speaker 1: type of penalty, they'll have a turnover. You know. That's
Speaker 1: that's how played Dallas. Now you sit there and you say, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: they can't stop the run. That keeps the pass rush off,
Speaker 1: ue keep the game close. If they have to drive
Speaker 1: at the end of the game to go win the game,
Speaker 1: they probably can't do it because they can't get out
Speaker 1: of their own way with a penalty or a turnover.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it seems like to me a really good
Speaker 1: way to play Dallas right now. And I think there's
Speaker 1: some things I think Dan knows that his defense can't
Speaker 1: play toe to toe with anybody right now against the run.
Speaker 1: So you see him with the movement and the twists
Speaker 1: and things like that, and some of those things have
Speaker 1: been problematic for them, you know, like that they didn't
Speaker 1: they I mentioned it yesterday. You know, the touchdown run
Speaker 1: that Jones had where he was really untouched was a
Speaker 1: twist stunt that wasn't executed. And that's dan Quinn saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't play these guys straight up. I have to
Speaker 1: do something different here, and then his players not execute
Speaker 1: well enough. So I don't know. I'll think of another
Speaker 1: word other than masking though for the radio this afternoon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I lookt at how what I
Speaker 1: thought of this team and how they played defensively early
Speaker 1: in the season. They have been far less impactful, I
Speaker 1: think as the seat as the season has gone on,
Speaker 1: and I think that's all about the fact that teams
Speaker 1: just said we're just not going to allow you to
Speaker 1: rush to do what you do best. Right. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: and by the way, that needs to catch up with
Speaker 1: the guys in the locker room. And what I mean
Speaker 1: by that is those coaches need to tell them guys
Speaker 1: for and I think McCarthy said it in this his
Speaker 1: press conference earlier this week. You privilege, I mean, rushing
Speaker 1: is a privilege. Yeah, you earned that by stopping the run.
Speaker 1: I would literally be telling them if I'm Quinn, like
Speaker 1: right now, our performance is not dictated by us rushing
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, sa sackstart who we are anymore? Right,
Speaker 1: first and foremost, the only thing we're focused on is rush.
Speaker 1: Stop the rusher, stop the rusher, play solid rush defense
Speaker 1: like that would be my complete focus. If we come
Speaker 1: out of the game with no sacks, but we hold
Speaker 1: the other team under one hundred yards rushing, that's about
Speaker 1: that's a win. Yeah. And then if you can do
Speaker 1: that three, four or five weeks in a row, maybe
Speaker 1: teams will step away from that strategy of we can
Speaker 1: run the ball against Dallas, and then you might get
Speaker 1: the opportunity to start rushing again. But right now, it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's at a hall time high. Every team
Speaker 1: facing Dallas is thinking, we're running the ball. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep running the ball, you know all, We're gonna
Speaker 1: take our final break. We'll come back. We've got some
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Speaker 1: some more. That's it all right. I thought you had
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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. I have one question for you, guys.
Speaker 1: We've got about seven minutes. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: this a little bit. Tony Pollard in this last game
Speaker 1: at twenty two carries one hundred and fifteen yards five
Speaker 1: point two average, one touchdown. Maligue Davis also added in
Speaker 1: five carries for thirty eight yards seven point six average.
Speaker 1: This was a back to back hundred yard game, first
Speaker 1: time that Pollard has done that in his career with
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. He had a season high twenty two
Speaker 1: carries in this game. He had a season high percentage
Speaker 1: of snaps played eighty seven percent. That would be seventy
Speaker 1: two snaps. Are there still questions in your mind about
Speaker 1: his durability or his ability to carry the full load?
Speaker 1: Wish they had handed it to him about eight more times?
Speaker 1: Right game? Right, even though even though Malik did a
Speaker 1: nice job, I me personally as bad as the Cowboys
Speaker 1: run defens ers and question as it was, I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like that if Zeke would have played that game,
Speaker 1: Dallas might have won that game. I think you think
Speaker 1: it would run a little bit more. I think I
Speaker 1: think the combination of Elliott and Pollard would have really
Speaker 1: they could have wore these guys down and kept their
Speaker 1: offense off the field from running the football. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: something too, you have to think about instead of keeping
Speaker 1: explosive offenses off the field, you know, keep the other
Speaker 1: team's offense off the field from running the football, you know.
Speaker 1: But I really do believe that they had a really
Speaker 1: good combination thing going with and and Davis. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I thought Davis stepped in. The thing that was a
Speaker 1: little disheartening is because they ran a play with him,
Speaker 1: and I mentioned it yesterday. I'll bring it up today,
Speaker 1: right before Dack's interception where the spacing problems were, you know,
Speaker 1: with Schultz and CD that interception there in the red zone.
Speaker 1: I mean they try to run a screen to Malik
Speaker 1: Davis and you know, it's like, oh, maybe you're catching
Speaker 1: them a little bit off guard, you know, but you're
Speaker 1: kind of feeling like that maybe if Zeke or Pollard
Speaker 1: was in there, who has plays a lot more that
Speaker 1: has a little bit better feel for how to fake
Speaker 1: and then kind of leak into the flat, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that's a completion. It gets you down to the
Speaker 1: goal line, and now you're not throwing the ball. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not third and eleven, and you're not
Speaker 1: trying to to force a pass. So I think that
Speaker 1: I think that's a really interesting take, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to visualize it, but I can't like fully
Speaker 1: buy into that idea that if Zeke was in there. Well,
Speaker 1: I well, to me, when sometimes when you have players
Speaker 1: that like Zeke and Pollard get those reps all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, they work the screen stuff and things like that,
Speaker 1: so maybe it's a little bit different feel it's experienced.
Speaker 1: Oh he'll be better, Malik Davis will be better next
Speaker 1: time if they've they run a screen. Because he was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well I have to I can't go that far up
Speaker 1: in the line. I got a leak a little wicker.
Speaker 1: I don't have to get a block here. I gotta
Speaker 1: just you know, his whole thing is be available, don't
Speaker 1: get caught while the blockers are all out front, and
Speaker 1: then your trap back inside. You know, Veteran players kind
Speaker 1: of have an escape route in their mind because they've
Speaker 1: run these plays enough that all of a sudden, Zeke's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna flash, like I'm gonna block, and then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm not gonna get caught up in all
Speaker 1: the mess trying to help, you know. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where that's how I think the play. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes sequence of plays lead to others and you're like,
Speaker 1: damn it. Well, the packers they had they had an
Speaker 1: opportunity on the strip sack by by tank. They ride
Speaker 1: a route and they got guys wide open, and literally,
Speaker 1: if rogers can get the ball out. It's a touchdown
Speaker 1: that two guys wide open on the play, And it
Speaker 1: just shows you how these plays, when you call them,
Speaker 1: the idea is absolutely right, the execution of it is.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, your question Pollard, no questions about his
Speaker 1: durability at all, no questions. I will say this. In
Speaker 1: the final touchdown drive, the Cowboys had Malik Davis. He
Speaker 1: had some really good runs, some really fis. He had
Speaker 1: a five yard run to start the possession, then he
Speaker 1: had a seventeen yard run, Then he had a fourteen
Speaker 1: yard run later in the possession, right before the thirty
Speaker 1: five yard touched down past the ceedee lamb. And it
Speaker 1: made me think they maybe should have if you wanted
Speaker 1: more running, maybe you should have been using him a
Speaker 1: little bit more throughout the game rather than going so
Speaker 1: heavy on Pollard throughout the game and then waiting until
Speaker 1: you get to that situation or that point in the
Speaker 1: game to really use him. I would have maybe used
Speaker 1: him a few more series in the game where where
Speaker 1: you kind of get him out there and just kind
Speaker 1: of give him the ball, keep giving him the ball
Speaker 1: and see what happened. They had a vision for the
Speaker 1: player they did. They were one of the few. When
Speaker 1: you watch tape last year, you're like, Wow, this guy's
Speaker 1: in a rotating system. He doesn't get very many opportunities
Speaker 1: to carry the ball. At Florida, he catches the ball, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean all right, pass blocker. They had an idea
Speaker 1: of what this kid was like, and we saw in
Speaker 1: the preseason. You know, the more they handed it to him,
Speaker 1: the harder it was for defenders to have to deal with.
Speaker 1: He's a handful, he is, He's a he's an awesome
Speaker 1: player when it comes to the physicality that what he
Speaker 1: plays with in a game, yep. And that's where I
Speaker 1: think they could have really used him a little bit
Speaker 1: more in this game, because I do think when you
Speaker 1: get into cold weather situations, I think having those kind
Speaker 1: of bruising backs and where you said it before the game,
Speaker 1: like it hurts a little differently in the cold, right,
Speaker 1: and taking on a guy like that that's more of
Speaker 1: a bruiser, I think it's a little harder mental challenge
Speaker 1: to step in front of that freight train, that freight
Speaker 1: train and try to make a stop when that guy's
Speaker 1: coming at you. It's it's one of the things we'll
Speaker 1: be looking at when the Cowboys play Tennessee in last December,
Speaker 1: right the Cowboys. The Cowboys are in a situation where
Speaker 1: you can see that with the other opponents and then
Speaker 1: the running when especially the ball goes the perimeter. You
Speaker 1: see how much people are really interested in making those tacks,
Speaker 1: no doubt. All Right, we appreciate you, guys, Jonas. We'll
Speaker 1: be back on tomorrow. We'll get into the next game
Speaker 1: Cowboys will be facing. Where am I right now? Who
Speaker 1: got vikings? Yeah, Cowboys advice. So we'll get into vikings
Speaker 1: offense tomorrow against Cowboys defense. By's yeah, right, dude. Actually
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. Yea, that is a really good idea.
Speaker 1: And I'm hungry right now anyway, So that's that's really
Speaker 1: a great idea, all right for Brian Broadest amigard see
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